*HEATED* Lewis Has Another MELTDOWN, The Top 10 PL Transfers So Far, Ranking All The PL Winners Ever & Our Overrated World XI

10:51Lewis Bowden:And he has had... He could be a steal. He's got a good record.

10:53Theo:You need a game changer in that position. Bruges? Yeah. Club Bruges. Bruges, yeah.

10:58Lewis Bowden:But, yeah, Arteta is the type, I've noticed, he takes things from other teams and runs it. I think he looks at that PSG team and thinks, they beat us because obviously they were probably a better team but like they don't play during the middle of the season after play yeah yeah and that midfield rotates and that and when it comes to crunch line they're fresh and they're fit and they're ready and I think we ran out of steam a little bit yeah so I think that's going to be his MO this year

11:29Reev:but who knows well also easier said than done with the amount of games a Premier League team's play compared to the league if you have the rotation

11:36Lewis Bowden:there's only one extra competition but in the league like Dembele Hard to play But my point is

11:41Reev:For PSG they can Yeah exactly They can win the league

11:46Lewis Bowden:With their B team But if you come up against I don't know Hull at home You probably don't need

11:52Reev:Declan Rice in that game No we need to be rotating But then you say that though You look at some of the upsets From last year From the smaller teams Like the Premier League Is just different If you need to If you need Declan Rice against Hull

12:01Theo:Then you should end it now They couldn't win Yeah I mean you'd think Arsenal as a squad Have enough to get past without

12:07Lewis Bowden:Yeah I think there'll be I think there'll be But then also, another thing of that is, last year was about, we have to win it. So he couldn't afford to rest against Hull. Whereas this year, he can. Yeah, accelerator on him. What are your thoughts on Vinicius Jr.? It's all a ploy to get more. It's all a ploy to get more. I'd have loved him. Of course it was. Of course it was.

12:26Reev:I'm assuming he would have got his, what do you call it, thingy rights. You know what they are? You know the Mbappe and Vinny was basically arguing. Image rights. Image rights. Yeah, that was the issue. It was all over. He was never not going to leave.

12:37Lewis Bowden:He was never going to leave. Valgid. Yeah. The only part of me that thought maybe he would was because of Mourinho. Yeah.

12:46Theo:But then also, Mourinho came out and said he wanted to keep him, didn't he?

12:50Lewis Bowden:No, no, but all the stuff with Benfica and that one, isn't it? Yeah, of course.

12:54Reev:Arsenal are linked with a couple more players, though. Eric Conte has come out of the boot. Like, they're cool. I call him Eric Conte. Eric Conte. Eric Conte. And I didn't see this one, Will. Has this come out today? Trying to hijack Liverpool's Barcola? Oh, please hijack them. Hijack Liverpool. Yeah. Aren't they bidding like 140 million? Yeah. They're going to be... And Moon is looking shit as well.

13:18Lewis Bowden:So enjoy that. I think... It's crazy money. Oh, mate. If Arsenal get a Barcola, jeez. Yeah, that is naughty. It's done. Yeah. It's more than done. Because they're not just like... People will make comparisons to Liverpool as well last year, but it's not like... Arsenal would sign in. If they get him... Clever signs. That's exactly what they need. Liverpool didn't need two strikers did they? Yeah they were just being fucking petty greedy I don't actually think they need Barkola unless they're going to play him he's a left winger they need a right winger desperately yeah to play Salah yeah they've got Rio on the left if they do keep Gakpo they've got him I don't know he's probably going as well I think yet again even Wurtz can play off the left and he did a bit for Leverkusen and Germany I just think I don't know yet again and they're going to spend£140 million on...

14:08Lewis Bowden:Something they don't really need. Yeah, a square peg in a round hole. It doesn't make any sense.

14:12Reev:Arsenal should definitely go in and try and hide it. Come on, Berta. I'd love for you to fucking take that off them.

14:17Theo:Actually, no, I'd love for them to get them and then not need them, actually. That's even better. Imagine he scores a winner against Piers.

14:24Reev:Manchester City have been obviously chatting to... Is it Barcelona or Real Madrid? Barcelona off the 38 million for Madrid. And they've been chirping again for Bwadi. That's not enough money, is it, really? could be 200 million plus centimetres what is the point of Man City selling like that that's just literally I don't know is this like the new thing that we do like it's just a bid way under and then just stalling up because he's got one year I know but like even still I know I agree I agree but I did Rodri last season I didn't think Rodri obviously after his he lost towards the end yeah but obviously there was question marks over him after his injury but I think the World Cup proved he's up to his best again he was phenomenal in the World Cup

15:00Theo:just a little bit to get up to speed wasn't it But come the end of the season, he was good. It's interesting that he chose Barca. He does seem like more of a Barca player.

15:07Reev:Do you think Rodri will be at Manchester City? Has he chose Barca? Yeah, he's let Real Madrid know.

15:12Lewis Bowden:We saw so he'd come for Atleti, didn't he? But he did say about six months ago how he did get criticised because he said he'd love to play for Real Madrid about six months, 12 months ago. Yeah, he's probably got death threats or anything the Atleti fan. Allegedly.

15:25Reev:Mate, if Rodri got to Barcelona, that's naughty. Henry the young Rodri. Even Gabby coming back as well Interesting window Well you might make a move for him Who knows Well you're in for Marmooch No we're looking at You're sniffing around Marmooch No we've got bigger fish for fire We're going for Heiberg We've got Marmooch We've got Heiberg Heiberg man You don't need Rodger He's actually a good signing He speaks German, French And like all these languages And we have all these players Yeah but you're not buying him As a translator You're buying him for He's a translator He's coming in as a translator He's coming in as a translator Did you mention English Yeah he speaks English Oh, did you?

16:01He comes in as a translator. He's actually been good over in M.A.S.A. He speaks English a bit. He's been good at M.A.S.A. He speaks English. No, that's what I mean. He's going to be... He's going to be... He's going to be...

16:09Lewis Bowden:Get everyone in like, right, lads, and then you'll communicate with them. Could you not have got a cheaper translator instead of someone on the 80th and a week? Nah, he's all right. Or just like one that's not a professional footballer. Mate, we're just doing it for crack. We're the banter team this year. It's going to be class.

16:21Theo:Stop brushing it off, man. Because when you have a shit... No, no, yeah. It's expected. No, you can't get into me now. We've been pillaged. It's fine. I'm bracing myself. I think it's time to...

16:32Lewis Bowden:And you're not wearing your new casual top today.

16:34Theo:It's true, actually. What happened?

16:37Lewis Bowden:You never don't wear your new casual top. This is a new casual. This is a training top. I suppose it is a training top. Yeah, I thought about that. Leeds got Trafford. The deal that they have on the contract. Yeah, Jesus. That's a really good signing. Expensive though, mate.

16:51Reev:Man City are laughing, by the way. How much did they buy? 18 million last week. but his wages as well and everything my god

16:56Theo:how long until he pips Pickford to the number one England shirt one more in Central

17:01Reev:I think you'll see Pickford as number one for Euro 28 still yep do you reckon yeah he's not going to slow down how old is Pickford like 33 I think it'll be Trafford it depends how Trafford is with first team football we'll see this year you're right if he has a phenomenal season Pickford's 32 he's 33 he's young for a keeper I think Trafford will be in goal the next tournament I mean it's a career sign up for Leeds they've really like upped the

17:23Lewis Bowden:I'm not putting any money and that I can't be honest when are we going to get our money for Bruno G leaving yeah actually that pays for the shirt how much do you owe £300 £100 each no I didn't make a bet with Tom yeah you did did I £100 oh okay I didn't make one with one of yours I only made two we shook it on camera

17:40Reev:show me the clip it's on pitch side I don't think I made it before I made it on pitch side we did it on pitch side show me the clip and I'll send you the money show me the clip I'll send you money I definitely shook it We did it literally three weeks ago. Yeah, show me the clip. I don't remember. I'm not just going to send it to you off your word. If you have the clip, then I'll send it to you.

18:00Lewis Bowden:That's why you need your notes. Yeah, you can't just say, I did it as well. When you have an infamously bad memory as well.

18:06Theo:This is an interesting one as well. Everton, Crystal Palace, Dwight McNeil, Brennan Johnson swap. What do you make of that? This is confusing. I cannot believe.

18:12Lewis Bowden:Surely Palace are getting money.

18:15Theo:For Brennan Johnson. Yeah, there is a disparity. It's not a life-or-like swap, is it? I don't know. It can't be, though.

18:21Lewis Bowden:It can't be. It's a weird one as well. like Brennan Johnson do you know what's blown my mind by the way

18:26Reev:that's a great deal when I was looking yesterday at the transfers how old do you think Dwight McNeil is

18:33Theo:he's like 27 yeah like 27 I thought he was like 29 26 I thought he was like 32

18:39Reev:yeah you think that

18:40Lewis Bowden:was it Burnley

18:42Reev:I knew you were going to say that I couldn't believe he was 26 it's crazy isn't it Brian I've always rated him he plays like a 40 year old I think he's so average yeah Dwight McNeil is such a solid football as in like As in average, yeah, that's right. I guess solid is average. In the modern day, I don't know. He's so, he always puts a six and a half, seven out of ten. I don't know.

19:01Theo:Yeah, but he's not like a super athlete, is he? He's just a solid footballer.

19:05Reev:Solid Premier League footballer. He's spent his whole career in the Premier League.

19:08Lewis Bowden:He will. No, he won't. He'll drop down to like League One and Two at the end. Nah, not him. I can see him like a million.

19:15Theo:Also, you know, touching on this next one, Ronald O 'Roujo, is that not? On loan. That's on loan. No, but has that not gone through already? It's not confirmed Is it Klaus Oh I was going to say That's Klaus

19:26Reev:But they need centre-halves

19:28Theo:But they've got Jacquet haven't they Vioni coming back Whether or not That's the Canata I don't know Because I think It's probably around here But the Boston fans

19:35Reev:Don't like it I don't know why Liverpool are focusing On Barcoli When they need to Strengthen their midfield And their centre-backs

19:41Theo:Who knows

19:41Reev:Well they are trying

19:42Theo:They need to try harder Jacquet from Lenz

19:46Reev:They need to try harder I think they should

19:48Lewis Bowden:Go back for Trent

19:48Reev:After a year At Real Madrid

19:51Lewis Bowden:they've just signed Dumfries

19:52Reev:yeah I know

19:53Theo:is the Jets do the Jets do the Jets rumours have any substance as well Trenton McField fuck off do the Jets Jets rumours have any substance or not to who to who Liverpool I didn't even hear that Tottenham are I was surprised to say that I'm going on and it's also a weird team to leave Tottenham is here because they look like they're going

20:09Reev:to have a good season but no one's listening so I just said his name yeah I can't see Trent going back to Liverpool

20:14Lewis Bowden:no I'm not saying I think he will I'm saying I think they should they need a right back

20:18Reev:So they should sell him on a free And then buy him back For a hundred million Yeah yeah

20:22Lewis Bowden:So what He's one of the best right backs In the world Do you not see him playing For Real Madrid much this year No That'd be great business Buying Madrid last Under Mourinho No chance Send him in Mourinho will hate Trent Send him in He's just bought Dumfries He's a big fucking lump He's also a rapper Dumfries That's what I mean But that's what he likes Athletic season The juggernaut Can you see Trent Playing for Mourinho Yeah in midfield Stop saying that Over who's he going to draw

20:48Reev:It'll be Valverde and Trent in midfield. And he'll drop Camavinga. Nice. And too many washed anyway.

20:54Lewis Bowden:Just washed. Joking. It's washed. He's good at the World Cup, mate. Yeah, but I'm sick of transfers. So let's do a top 10.

21:01Reev:Top 10 transfers. Yay! Well, there's been quite a lot of transfers. A lot of expensive transfers going on at the moment, lad. So we're going to be ranking our top 10 Premier League transfers so far. Now, I'm guessing we've also taken price tag into consideration as well. Breaking news. Breaking news. Jeff Bezos buying a part of Liverpool. I saw that but I didn't think it was part of why is he doing that part of a consortium to buy Liverpool to buy a part of Liverpool so he's just invested in a company that's buying Liverpool yeah no it's like a consortium is that investors come together and then they yeah

21:30Lewis Bowden:I don't think no they're only buying a stake a stake buy Liverpool

21:34Reev:why is he going just easy now obviously how long have we got we got a couple weeks until the transfer window finishes is that correct September 1st just over a couple weeks then three weeks three weeks then

21:43Lewis Bowden:right I'm going to go first because I hate these

21:45Reev:also when I look I don't know about you I hate talking about transfers. I don't know about you boys. When I noted down, I always note down like 15 or so transfers that I think will make it. I looked at them and I go, oh, they're actually all really good sides.

21:55Lewis Bowden:Yeah. It was so hard to rank them. There's been not many stinkers, I don't think. And I've tried, yeah. And I've tried to do what I think the team needed as well.

22:03Theo:It's been an active window considering like the World Cup was in the middle of it. Right, 10th, I've gone Torre.

22:08Lewis Bowden:Yeah. I think he's going to be good for you this season. Yeah, he looks good.

22:11Theo:How much? 25? No, he's like 40. Was he? Oh, but 40. Yeah, we pushed the ball out a bit. It was 25 for Bamboo, wasn't it? Bamboo was like 25.

22:19Lewis Bowden:Where has he been playing for you in pre-season? On the left. Left foot. He's scored in a replacement. He's left footed, isn't he? He's like... But he's... His deliveries have been fucking great. He had a really good season last year. The only player in his age group that had more goals and assists was Jamal. How old is he? He was like 23, 22. No, it might be younger. He's 20. He's 21, 20. He's 28 over 21.

22:43Reev:Jamal's age group. It must be 21 and under. So is your tactics this year then just put Valtemar out front and whip balls in? Valtemar will play a 10. No, it's not whip balls in. It's playing narrow and then trying to get the ball behind to the Alangas and the Ture's. Like, get it behind to them quickly.

22:58Lewis Bowden:Ninth, I've gone Sangare. Yeah. He's only eighth because of the prize tag, but I've gone Anderson. Seventh. Oh, it's a good signing.

23:08Theo:But he's worth that much. I don't know if he is. Wait, are you including him? Is this implying And you've got him higher. I have got him higher. It's a weird one the transfer speed.

23:17Lewis Bowden:It's a big step foot man from Forest to City.

23:19Theo:You don't know how he did it for England. I have the reservations of like doing it in the World Cup. Pep ball as well. That's what I mean. Except for Mareskin. And also the transfer speed is a weird one because for City it doesn't actually matter both Brentford or the player then it matters more to them so it like comes into your thing. I think City,

23:32Lewis Bowden:I think why City are going to we haven't seen him in a team that dominates the ball.

23:37Theo:Exactly that. He was what? Highest for duels last season? He's not going to be doing that.

23:41Lewis Bowden:His game is recovery in it and getting around the pit. I think he'll be fine. Is there a concern that could turn into a Calvin Phillips or a Jack Reilly situation? No, no, no, no, no. Definitely not. Elliot Anderson's been great from like youth all the way up. He was great for England as well. No, he's been brilliant. On the world stage. A team who doesn't dominate the ball. And he has the ability his footwork. I don't disagree with that. I just think... He used to run the game for Bristol Rovers. He was. He was the Jordy Maradona. He's going to be in team of season this year. That's why he's known that.

24:10Lewis Bowden:He's never forgotten Leclerc, because I just think they're crying out for a centre-half, isn't they? And I think he's just... What, Chelsea? Well, four years early, isn't it?

24:15Reev:They've only got about 50 defenders.

24:17Lewis Bowden:No, but they need centre-half.

24:19Reev:Yeah, yeah, they need to get rid of them. 50 mil is decent. I mean a good centre-half. Yeah, 50 mil is decent. Or 51, sorry, wasn't it?

24:23Lewis Bowden:Sixth, I have gone Fernandes, but I do think they've overpaid. That's why I left him out. I was like, it was ridiculous money.

24:29Theo:When you consider some of the... I think they've overpaid heavily for that.

24:32Lewis Bowden:Fifth, Xao Gomez. I think... I can't believe the price I got for him. I think it's an unbelievable spot. Do you think he's going to be a regular? Yeah, I think so. Because I think he's injured, isn't he? Also, Tielemans has gone as well. Yeah, but he's different to Tielemans. But he'll play in midfield. He's not a ball player, though. He's like a rat.

24:53Lewis Bowden:Dingle rat. Fourth van Hecker. Yeah, great sign. Third, I have gone to Nale, because I just think he'll put it. What the fuck? I do. I think it's a great signing. He's a hundred million Spurs fan.

25:04Reev:He's also a hundred million pounds. I'm curious why, because he's had three seasons with us one he was ineligible second he was unbelievable third he was shit and it's a hundred million how good he was at AC Millahan as well

25:13Lewis Bowden:how many years back are we going he's all earning there was it last year second half of last year for you I know but in parts it wasn't even that I'm looking at who's he going in to replace that midfield at Spurs was fucking dog shit it's a hundred million it's a phenomenal signing I think he's worth it last year you were saying

25:33Reev:he's one of the best midfielders in the league I think 100 million Yes we were It was bad I think 100 million Is more beneficial For Newcastle It was bad It was a great It was Generally Every Newcastle fan Is like 100 % What a deal What a deal Like 50 I think it's a good deal For both Yeah it is Yeah I agree He's young as well He's in his prime I just think

25:57Lewis Bowden:Don't get me wrong He's good He's going to transform That midfield Spurs are probably Going to finish In the top 6 going from a relegation battle, mainly because of that signing, I think. I think when people just think about him, they think about that second season with us rather than the reality of what he's off the back of. And the way deserving plays I just think suits him. I think it's a great signing. Yes, they may have overpaid a little bit, but you have to pay that now for a quality midfielder in the Premier League. Lewis, if you're offered either Tonali or Anderson right now to come back.

26:25Lewis Bowden:Anderson? Anderson? Yeah. Literally no thought. Not even money, just as the player. Anderson, 100%. I think Tonali's right. Anderson was supposed to be our Tonali replacement like built in but then we have to fucking sell over then I've gone I have gone Rodgers I just think it's I think it's it's a perfect that matter the price for him him and Palmer together I couldn't

26:43Theo:yeah I couldn't double cold mate

26:45Reev:cold on the right I don't know

26:47Lewis Bowden:because I'm interested to see what he's going to do yeah but

26:51Reev:then that's just fitting Rodgers in but then he has but also

26:55Lewis Bowden:is it three at the back they're playing now no they have been playing four in preseason I think

26:58Theo:no no no no Palacio

27:01Lewis Bowden:I've seen on Twitter As long as they've been paying five at the back.

27:04Theo:That's what I mean. He's been paying five. Three at the back, isn't it? So they'll be floating.

27:07Lewis Bowden:Plus it'll be three. Wait, shall I just have a look? They'll almost be two tens then really, won't they? Yeah, that's fair. But then where's Estevar going to fit? He's still injured, isn't he? When he's back. Mate, Chelsea are really interesting this season. And then one is Bruno G. Yeah.

27:20Theo:Interesting. I've got different names. Go on then. Let's see. Ten on the basis that he was free and one of Bournemouth's best players I've got, Senesi to Spurs. Yeah. Surprised he's that low. I actually removed that. I don't think he'll get I don't think he'll get too many minutes with Van Der Ven and Van Hecker though so that's why I think he was going to start I'm not sure

27:40Lewis Bowden:I've got a feeling he'll play Van Der Ven left back that's what they're supposed to be doing

27:46Theo:with Robertson I'm not sure Robertson's not going to start

27:50Reev:mate Van Der Ven I've heard Van Der Ven is going to left back that's what it's supposed to be

27:55Theo:he's 10th for me because I'm on the assumption that he's probably not going to get the most minutes fucking hell the team's looking good Ninth, Elliot Anderson. Same reasons as Tom, can put him higher. Eighth, Luka Buscovic. 19, one of the best centre-backs in Europe. Six goals in 28 games last season for Hamburg. 50 mil to Brighton. Like, he's literally... Fetching goals for a centre-half. But that's what I mean. Like, he's an absolute monster.

28:17Lewis Bowden:Who do you think's got the best deal out of that? He's basically a swap on it with Van Hecker.

28:19Theo:Yeah, they signed him from Spurs, technically. Yeah, they did. I mean, it's two million difference, isn't it? But I think... Van Hecker, I think, is the better of the two. Yeah. But, like, he's 19 years old he's going to be he's probably going to go for like what 80 million in two three years time he's going to be that kind of Voskovic and Pascal Strauch Strauch's a good signer Strauch's a good signer yeah 7th Morgan Rodgers I think the 117 is a bit just too high I know he's going to be a game changer for Chelsea I do think

28:45Lewis Bowden:you do have to take into account pride stags but also

28:48Theo:the player quality

28:49Lewis Bowden:is insane I've got to the stage yeah yeah

28:51Theo:it doesn't matter the market is the market and the game is the game but I still can't unless it's a free I can't get past the fact that that's still 117 mil. Yeah. But he's in there. Maybe that's the standard these days. Sixth, I've gone Hayden Hackney to Everton. Five goals. I think that's high. He's not in my top 10. I think it's risky. It's a big step up. I think that's what I'm saying. If he makes the step up, that's a bargain. Yeah, no, but that's a third of the price. You can't put on the high. Yeah, but you don't... You can say this about playing strength. Like Sanessi to Spurs is better signing.

29:20Theo:Yeah, of course. But there's a step up. What do you mean? Yeah, of course. It's a big risk. Sorry, I didn't mean... I was already finishing my point in my head. I think you disagree with yourself. I don't think. What I mean is, I think you've had a stinker. The step up for Hayden Hackney would be the equivalent of someone going to Liverpool. How much was he again? It's like 25 mil. Yeah, 20 mil. He is good. I know he is good, but I don't know if he's like, it's hard to say. Sick best signing. You can't say he's the sick best signer of the season because you don't know if he can beat the jump.

29:47Lewis Bowden:I mean, they're all projections, aren't they? Exactly. So I mean, if he kicks on and... He's probably going to start every... Well, I think he'll start every week. I think he will.

29:55Reev:for a bit, isn't it? Well, you just look at what Dibbling hasn't really. That's what I mean. He didn't get minutes. Hayden Hackney will get minutes.

30:03Theo:Yeah, but he didn't get minutes

30:03Lewis Bowden:for all reason, didn't he? He did get injured as well. Yeah, but Dibbling weren't as established as Hackney. Hackney's literally the best player in the whole championship last year. Look, it's a big, it is a big step up, but it's not bad.

30:16Theo:But this is the assumption that I think he's going to do well.

30:18Lewis Bowden:That's the whole point of the league, right? I did think the fee was higher, to be fair. 25 mil these days for... I think it's like 25. It's actually, it is reasonable. There's some players in the championship going for 20 mil at the minute. Yeah. Two other championship teams. The market's fucking ridiculous. It's all going to be mental. It is, it is, it's particularly, it's part of the game now, isn't it? Well, the Anderson and Tonali fees set the like torn, didn't it, for the window. Yeah. Go on then.

30:40Theo:Fifth, Van Hecker. Don't need to say my reasons. Fourth, Gonzalo Garcia to Fulham. 34 mil under or below. Yeah, I've just,

30:47Lewis Bowden:I haven't seen enough of him. Yeah, Madrid graduate,

30:50Theo:literally from the academy all the way up to. Where does he play? He's a striker. Yeah. Nine. I mean, it's pretty good. Did you all put in who they should sign? It's the one he suggested. Third, Harry Wilson to Leeds on a free. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. Insane business.

31:05Lewis Bowden:Yeah, the free is fine. And I just think like... Come on, man. No, no, no. There's no risk there. I think third best sign. No, there's huge wages on there.

31:16Theo:He's got like 17 goal involvements.

31:17Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but do we believe one really good season or every other season where he's been pretty average. I think for a Leeds team,

31:24Theo:he will flourish. I think that's kind of his MO.

31:27Reev:Does he have the sort of fitness and work rate to play in a Leeds team? Yeah.

31:33Theo:Played up and down the wing every week at Fulham. Wilson's really underrated. He's a lot faster than being looking. Also, if he keeps going and progressing, he might even make the England squad sit.

31:45Theo:Second, Jury Telemans to United.

31:46Lewis Bowden:He didn't get that.

31:47Theo:He's very well. Yeah, Telemans is a great signing. 35 mil for a player of team's quality when Fernandes was 85. Yeah, I think that's brilliant. I genuinely think he's going to be unreal at United as well. Yeah, it's a bargain. And then obviously first is the man on my shirt, Bruno G. By far the best business this window. Sorry, mate. Yeah. It just is. So you saw for Newcastle. Leader captain calls himself a warrior, mate. It's everything that Arsenal needs. I kind of cringe. Anyway. Right, he's the correct list. 10th, Sean Sturter, Newcastle. 20 million. 18 year old he's actually fucking class he's our new Bruno G from where?

32:21I actually thought I was most excited about Bamberg I've never even heard of him I was most excited about Bamberg Sean Starr yeah youngster from Ajax like they were wounded to lose him he looks really good 18 year old looks really good though I was more excited about Bamberg than I seen him play I was like he's fucking class nah I think it's going to be a Hoiberg job or Paulinha is the two things Paulinha? yeah he's the backup to Hoiberg but it'll be Hoiberg is he not better? by the way Hoiberg's been great out in France so I actually quite have to

32:47Theo:not a better player than him though is your priorities just the wrong way around there though Sean's what do you mean like Paulini's a better player I genuinely you're laughing about the translation I genuinely think that's coming into it because a lot of the new lads like just don't speak English and they can't like it's good to have an experienced guy who can actually talk to everyone damn you won't have that problem with Sean Stern I'll bring us back in though so yeah Sean Stern 10th 9th Van Hecker to Spurs 8th Rodgers to Chelsea 7th Elliot Anderson to City I sort of got those high price tags lower down just because I agree I don't think it matters though it does That's my argument.

33:16Reev:Like Rodgers is a fucking brilliant signer.

33:18Theo:Yeah, but there's still like a Venn diagram of balance of how it ends up being valuable. I know, but Rodgers is like a phenomenal... Yeah, but where's nearly the risk?

33:26Lewis Bowden:He's just going to be good.

33:27Theo:Yeah, but it's still crazy money, though.

33:31Reev:Where do you rank Declan Rice when you sign for Arsenal? Like, bang at the top. I think... Yeah, really hard, but it's yet to be seen, isn't it? For me, it's just like, I prefer the signers that are more smart and truly done rather than, oh, he's a world-class player, 150 mils. Otherwise you just top heavy the list of the most valuable players.

33:47Theo:Then you just have the most expensive transfer list. Because then the bigger ones go for more.

33:52Lewis Bowden:And in fairness, I bet we all had Isaac and Verts quite high in that year. Oh, I didn't. I called this Isaac downfall. And it's still fucking happening. You're a genius. Yeah, it's still three mere mortals. Quick one on Rodgers and Anderson. Out of the two of them, really similar prices. Who do you think should turn out to be a better signing? Rodgers, Andersons.

34:10Theo:There's too many variables at Man City that I don't think. Anderson is going to be he's been he's class lan just because Chelsea are going to finish above City and Rodgers will be a part Sangar to Brentford I've gotten 6th then 5th Manzambi to Villa as much as it pains me to say that's one that apparently pushed Eddie Howe over the edge we didn't get him no he's good he was good with Frankfurt last season as well Bundesliga tax ok fair point he's got an answer to everything shit he's got double tax 4th Thielemannsen Man United just what they need and class deal in the market. He's just good, isn't he?

34:45Third, Trafford to Leeds. I've gotten really out of it. Third? No, it's so expensive, but for Leeds, it takes them up in... English record keeper signing. Yeah, and it takes them into a different... Also, by the way, they'll make money on that selling them on down the line, most likely. I mean... You think he's going to go for more than 50 mil? Keepers go for less, but yeah, because he's so young, mate, and he's English. I think he just stays at Leeds for ages. Don't get me wrong,

35:09Reev:it's really expensive. I agree. If he just stays at Leeds for like seven years, I think at the minute

35:13Lewis Bowden:what we've seen from Trafford Trafford's a good goalie he needs consistency I don't watch Trafford and go wow he is well that's why we didn't go from because we got two keepers in for the same price I think like a mid-table prem team is about right for him

35:25Reev:also we're not he's English so we're automatically like oh fucking and he's double the price as well because he's English yeah and it's I think it's if they're going to build they have to like maybe like pay a lot they have to overpay slightly to get the players you are right though it is a level of signing for Leeds that will It takes them up a notch. It does do that, yeah. Especially what they had in goal. Exactly, yeah. It's got Arsenal now. Second, I've got Newcastle selling Bruno G to Arsenal. Great deal for Newcastle. No, where's Darlow gone? Man United, yeah.

35:55Theo:Yeah, they got rid of two keepers. No, but I mean, the one they were actually playing was... It was Perry they signed last year, wasn't it? And then the best transfer is Chelsea getting rid of Garnaccio to Villa. Well done, Chelsea. As in Chelsea selling. And by the way, actually... So your best signing of the year... Making a profit. Making a profit on him. the season is a sale.

36:13Lewis Bowden:It's a loan. Obligation to buy. No, but he has to play a certain amount of games. It's like the Harvey Elliott one. Yeah, I think it's like that. You're all saying

36:21Reev:the best signing is in fact a sale. Yeah, well, yeah, best signing. Best bit of transfer business. In fairness, it does say transfer, not signing. Do you think Villa have made a good decision getting him there? No. Well, no, Villa's model is doing this and they see how they are. Then they might buy them and sell them on, but like he is a fucking knob. You know,

36:40Theo:when we do this segment, Would like Hinkapier qualify as a person? It's a bit boring, isn't it? No, I know. He's already... Not counting, isn't it?

36:49Reev:He has good cheeks, though. Has good cheeks. Yay! The reaction's the best thing you guys have done. Right, in 10, probably should be all right, really, but fuck it, Yolo. In 10, I got Van Hecker to Spurs. In 9, I got La Croix to Chelsea. In 8, I got Zollis to Arsenal. Only 34 million, and he looks sharp. Steel. Absolute steel. Two assists already in pre-season. he looks oh my god have you seen the highlight package of your career against Dortmund

37:15Theo:great penalty taker though did you see his free kick you know just to play the counterpart do you think if like all things go well for Arsenal in the window he'd actually be starting

37:26Reev:I actually don't think we're going to get another left I think maybe Solis and Martinelli and then we go into the window in January for left wing no you won't shop in January it's a premium I think we get a big boy if we get Barcola you're not going to go into the window he looks good though for 34 million that's a steal in this day and age there's no way you wait till January mate everything's a premium in that window yeah yeah you pay another in 7 I got Manzambi to Villa in 6 I got Tielemans to United I think 35 million is just phenomenal I know he's like 30 but he's 29 but he's brilliant sorry fucking lover in 5 I got Tenali to Spurs 100 mil in 4 I got Sanessi to Spurs on a 3 yeah I think that's brilliant signing and obviously his missus plays for hashtag United now as well.

38:11Reev:They've travelled together. In third, I got Rodgers to Chelsea. That was third. Jesus. Isn't it? No, Snessy was fourth. Oh, you said third. Well, they hijacked you.

38:19Theo:No, never mind.

38:20Reev:What? They hijacked you, Dale. Who? Chelsea. I didn't want Rodgers. Okay. Third, I got Rodgers to Chelsea. Second, Anderson to City. And first, I got Bruno to Arsenal. Damn. That is the best sign of the window. Do you...

38:35Theo:Anyone, anyone... Wait, you didn't even have Bruno... Second. Oh, second. Did anyone consider Andy Robertson? I did actually Not top 10 No You mean Rob? Yeah and he was a 3 though Rob was on a 3 That's what I mean Good old Rob Talking about someone that had an influence addressing him I had Wilson to Leeds

38:51Reev:on a 3 down there as well Yeah Did you say that? No I just had him as one of my options to choose from Well lads let us know who is right and who's wrong A lot of good free transfers A lot of good free transfers this seems I was going to ask you about

39:03Lewis Bowden:obviously at the end of the transfer window we'll do like go through every club and do a tier list right now who's had the best window and he's had the worst Spurs

39:10Reev:absolutely Spurs Lee

39:11Lewis Bowden:yeah I think Spurs anybody that you're worried about anybody that you think will be panicking Spurs they've got mental I'm not worried about them I don't think what do you mean any clubs that you think are going to be looking at now going we've only got three weeks left we need to get some again they're going to pack Fulham we're still needing Crystal Palace as well we're still going to make three signings

39:28Reev:Crystal Palace haven't signed Newcastle we generally have

39:30Theo:three signings like a right back right centre back I honestly think Liverpool yeah

39:37Lewis Bowden:they haven't looked great in pre-season they don't need signing I'd love for them and all the shit going on with Curtis Jones that needs sorting he's that looks shit as well Chris the Palace need to run in a fucking tree yeah I don't worry about them Palace always fucking sort it out don't they I know you know they do they attract players they'll be fine they've got Europa League Forest could do with a couple extra as well I think there's going to be a lot going on the next few weeks and away from the pre-m we discussed it briefly last week but we'll get your thoughts more Salah Trubbs and Spore

40:06Reev:Have you seen what the owner said? Surprised He said they've almost sold Enough tickets to pay him off Already

40:12Theo:Yeah I think His reveal was insane wasn't it? Yeah that's what they were referring to

40:18Reev:Oh yeah

40:18Lewis Bowden:I was surprised yeah Yeah

40:20Reev:I'm surprised

40:21Lewis Bowden:Because also like He's only He also hasn't gone to one of the best clubs in Turkey He's not even in Istanbul Yeah Galatasaray I've understood Kind of

40:29Theo:Is that geographically close to Egypt?

40:31Lewis Bowden:I don't know

40:32Theo:It doesn't make any sense

40:33Reev:Because he could have got about 40, 50 million pound a year going to Saudi. He's on 17 mil a year, apparently. So it's not like it's bad. Yeah, but then I sort of didn't... And then you look at some of the players in Saudi.

40:44Lewis Bowden:They're buying him a couple of houses. His missus gets a car. He gets his own share. Company benefits rather than wages. And I think... I was surprised he didn't get to like... But then I don't think they got the money, like Serie A or something. Yeah, they didn't. Or just one of the big three in Turkey.

40:59Reev:Yeah, a bigger one in Turkey.

41:00Lewis Bowden:It was Saudi Arabia and I think it was Kansas City in the MLS. the way Salah is as well Salah obviously he's declined Salah's still a good player maybe he thinks he can get I think in his head going to Saudi or the MLS he's like I'm too good for that at the minute and the Saudi one will always be there because of the Muslim thing that's always going to be an option for him down the line I think but I think if he starts against a Saudi that's basically him going right I'm done also Turkey's pretty good lifestyle oh yeah fuck it Do you think there's almost a case That he wants to do well here To get a move back Into a bigger European club But he could have done that anyway He could do that anyway

41:40Theo:Now was the time To have done that I think he might Do you think he could I'm going to go to Turkey To try and earn my way But I'm going to earn my way back

41:47Lewis Bowden:Are Charles Holmes In any European conference Well yeah they are They finished third Where are they

41:52Reev:They're in no conference league Aren't they No Europa League Europa League So like He's still decent level Can we talk about football We are talking about football I know but we've done So much transfers I'm excited to talk about about ranking all the Premier League people.

42:05Theo:Oh, it's the Europa League. So rather than the future, you want to talk about the past. Yeah, we talked about like an hour of fucking... But this is what it is. This is the summer window, isn't it? I know, but we've done a lot of transfers there. Yeah, and everyone's saying they're all fucking wrong. You're all idiots. Right now, guys, we have another tier list for you. We're going to rank every single Premier League winning squad ever, but in the format that if they're in a giant league, where would they probably finish? Basically, yeah. Rank from sort of ability. On ability, not impressiveness.

42:38Theo:So D, C, B, A, S. And then we're going to go in chronological order, starting from 92 to current day.

42:44Lewis Bowden:Yeah, so the first few years, we'll just...

42:45Theo:Yeah, first few years. It's going to be a little bit hazy

42:47Reev:because no one was really bored. United won the league on 84 points. They finished in the first round of the Wafer Cup. So not very good, that first round, is it? Fifth round in the FA Cup and third round. They basically could prioritise the league. Yeah.

42:58Lewis Bowden:But it was their first title in how many odd years won it? it was like was that the first one

43:02Reev:since what when Fergie took over that was the first one that they'd won

43:05Lewis Bowden:yeah Fergie was there I think 86

43:07Reev:he joined in 86

43:08Theo:who won the last division one Leeds so the last title

43:15Lewis Bowden:the one before that was 66-67 yes it was kind of getting the monkey off the back that one is that a phrase get the monkey off the back

43:25Theo:but based on but based on Theo's thinking of how support science develops mate every team like pre-2000s would be like a D. Well, yeah, Leicester City would beat this team.

43:36Lewis Bowden:Some of the players you've got Steve Bruce, you've got Dennis Irwin, Ryan Giggs came in early on. The Sandcunton are halfway through that season. Giggs played in this season. Yeah, Mark Hughes. Young Giggs. Leigh Sharp. Leigh Sharp. What came through, yeah.

43:52Reev:Did Leigh Sharp wear a shirt with Sharp on the front then?

43:55Lewis Bowden:Yeah. That's cool. But he had an ear on the end. Yeah, I know. I know Leigh Sharp.

43:59Reev:you're too even there

44:01Theo:I'm going to go see okay well Tom's going to see you guys yeah I agree yeah yeah Tom you're right Tom I mean I'm going to struggle to debate a 1992 team

44:11Lewis Bowden:I think there's a lot better Man United 93-94 all the players are quite like you've got a young gig I imagine we're going to have like a prime gig at some point so just for the

44:18Theo:breakdown of the how we're doing this you think they'd finish like 15th-ish in a 20-man Premier League season but however

44:26Reev:the 93-94 team who do they sign because they got 92 points, they finished second in the Champions League, won the FA Cup, and runners-up in the league. Roy Keane was going to play the sides. This was automatically put them in B then.

44:38Theo:That's quite an impressive season. No, but maybe more though, no? Well, additionally, they just had Roy Keane. They're only going to get better. Yeah, it was just Roy Keane,

44:44Lewis Bowden:but I don't know if you've seen when Nicky Butt and Paul Scholes spoke about this team. They think it's the most underrated United side ever. They think it was better than the 99 team. Well, 92 points, they won a double. Yeah. Loss in the final of the league. It's a very impressive season. and runners up in the league and Champions League

45:00Reev:lost in the second final lower A they finished second oh second round who did they have that the previous year's team didn't have Roy Keane Roy Keane is that literally different than the team just fucking played

45:12Lewis Bowden:they broke the transfer record from from who I think I think yeah good B solid B yeah I'll take B I said B as well so you've been out of wood we can always move them back up yeah we can always

45:25Reev:go back it's hard on the first early ones you're getting your bearings Now obviously you've got the 94-95 Chirac Chirac They just won the Premier League On 89 points Didn't really do anything else In any cup competitions Yeah Sherwood

45:36Lewis Bowden:Was Sutton there Yeah it was great Yeah really good The partnership was classed Could have been Zinedine Zidane as well Yeah Can you imagine I think that was the season after Yeah Good team Would they not just get beaten

45:48Theo:By a lot of these I know but they beat They beat the Monday night Yeah but this team You know what I mean Like So

45:55Reev:What was their actual line up Do you know it

45:57Lewis Bowden:Tim Flowers Colin Hendry Graham Lasso Graham Lasso Chris Sutton obviously up front Henenberg who ended up playing for Man United it's a good team man 89 points it's a solid season but it's C though you can't really do anything in anything else

46:11Reev:I would still trust that I know obviously they beat that United team but I still think that United team yeah that that year's team

46:18Theo:what do the asterisks mean Will that means 42 games

46:22Lewis Bowden:22 teams

46:23Theo:I think we're going to put them in C yeah I think C's alongside the United I think I agree 75 points for 90 no it's 82 sorry I've jumped ahead there 95-96 the double winning Man United team

46:36Lewis Bowden:is that a team that beat Newcastle to it yeah well be when they come back from like 12 points behind I would love it if we beat them yeah I would love it if we beat them you weren't even alive is that right I've just heard stories and seen the clips

46:50Reev:old wives tales

46:51Lewis Bowden:that second half of the season from United was like so is this when the is this when When the Clarsen

46:58Reev:came through?

46:59Lewis Bowden:Pretty much. This is when they really

47:01Reev:started getting going.

47:02Lewis Bowden:Yeah, yeah. So Beckham became

47:03Reev:quite an important part of the team. So Scholes. Scholes got 10 Premier League goals. Beckham got seven. Is this the year he scored against Wimbledon? Wimbledon, yeah. So Shearer came in and then instantly almost won the league. Shearer won it. Newcastle then, was he? I love it. He came for Keegan. Did he leave straight after they won the league? Surely he stayed over the season. Are we sure that's the season where we almost won it? I can't remember obviously I wasn't born I can't remember I think she had a 10 point league I think she had a 10 point league

47:30Lewis Bowden:the year after I think it was off the back of the Premier League he didn't because he played in the Champions League for Blackburn he signed in 1996 so this at the end of that season yeah so yeah this Man United team

47:44Reev:I mean it's the

47:45Lewis Bowden:beginning of the sorry of the Empire that doesn't make sense Blackburn you said they went out in the first round of the UEFA Cup but they got in the Champions League yeah but that would have been the year after because they won the Champions League so that's the season that we're in yep ah yes sorry

47:59Reev:yeah so this we just said this this is the start of the dynasty era yeah pretty much yeah but they're not in their prime even though they have no league but they did and the double

48:09Theo:but they're not even in their prime would you would you consider them better than the 93 94 or on the same level same they both won the double did they not double double double I think you've got

48:18Lewis Bowden:to take into account if you win in multiple trophies

48:20Theo:yeah I think you put them in B

48:21Reev:okay

48:21Theo:yeah like lower end of B yeah B right now we're on the 75 points Manchester United 96-97 semi-final quite a low points tally as well

48:32Reev:yeah it is a low points tally see it's actually the lowest on the entire list it's pretty much the same team but they won it maybe against

48:41Lewis Bowden:75 points semi-final but he was more competitive that's the thing with the top teams so his points tally is a bit of a wishy-washy Newcastle finished second again I feel like you shouldn't go too much of points because as you say you might have beat off a better team. They didn't do anything in the other competitions as well. It's semi-final. I'm happy with C for this. Yeah. And then the Arsenal double-winning team. Is this George Graham or Wenger? Wenger. It's Wenger. Still wasn't born. Semi-final of the League Cup. Went out in the first round of the UEFA Cup. I might use it. So what are you?

49:12Lewis Bowden:Cost a round of the league though? Use it washed. This is a good Arsenal team. Is this Petit Vieira? Petit Vieira.

49:19Reev:Bergkamp's signed as well. Ian Wright up there.

49:21Lewis Bowden:Mm-hmm. All the lads. Naughty. I'd good be for this. Yeah, I think so. You're going above these Man United teams or below them. Doing the double, man. Doing the double back in the night. That's good, man. That's really good. Yeah, and B. I've officially been born.

49:36Theo:98, 99, 2.

49:38Lewis Bowden:Right, the 99 treble winning.

49:40Theo:The treble winning. I've really said it. I've really read his taxes.

49:45Reev:I think

49:47Theo:the treble winning United side. It's got to be A, isn't it?

49:49Reev:S? S? I mean, it has to be A. It's a treble winning United. It's an S. It's S. prior to Manchester City's treble how many are we going to put in S though? it's a treble a treble I'm just wondering

49:59Theo:maximum of three maximum of three maximum of three

50:01Reev:okay it's got to be S they set the standard before we can't put maximum on S we can't put maximum on S

50:08Theo:it's S I mean if you win the Champions League we can't do a maximum S

50:12Reev:because there's four teams on S no no no there has to be a max on S that's the whole that makes it fun there's three on S not everyone can be S

50:18Lewis Bowden:I think three max on S no I'm not having that yeah of course there is there's a max man no way Yeah, get them in there.

50:23Theo:Treble team. I know what's going to happen, but I mean, you just have to suck it up, bro. That's how it works. Oh, my God. Wait, are you thinking... We can always come back to it.

50:31Lewis Bowden:I'd go A. My God, you think about Invincible. You go use treble team A. I think I've seen better teams.

50:36Reev:Well, that's what my argument is. But then also... They won the treble. Yeah, but they put on every front and won it. No, you can't put a treble team... He is right. They won the treble. What are we doing? Go on then, put them in there. Oh, no. We can't have three. Actually, I mean... Because I can think of a few teams It's an impressive team, isn't it?

50:54Theo:But we're talking about ability Mate, they won the travel They won the travel Yeah They won three Yeah, okay It's close though, isn't it? It's on the border of both Well, we'll come to that later on If they need to be downgraded

51:07Lewis Bowden:They've got the 99-2000 Man United team 91 points After a pretty low tally The previous couple of years Why did they not enter the Because they had to bang the Club World Cup Yeah, that was the whole thing on it

51:18Reev:The Club World Cup

51:19Lewis Bowden:got quite a bit a bit of criticism a lot of time the big thing about it yeah that's mad yeah quarter five Champions League third round League Cup 91 points good team list of some players in this team again well Andy Coles we should see it for the audio

51:35Reev:this is better goals gigs Twight York Twight York was the top scorer that season was it Cole and York that year Schmeichel Solskjaer was Sheringham still there Sheringham still there yeah

51:45Lewis Bowden:so you had Andy Col 19 goals and 23 starts that season Andy Col And he calls class Dwight York Keen Very similar sort of team To the treble Yeah this is a fucking A Oh no they didn't do as much It's got to be A though isn't it I'd give B I think It's not an A Just because of the Trophies Like Court Voxham was in the third round of the league 91 points

52:07Theo:But it's almost the same team as the year before

52:10Reev:No I know but Like if we're talking about ability Football moves on fast Yeah but if we're talking about ability I don't know whether the team before Fucking So it is quite a dog would they achieve if I could have done also what do they achieve though as well you have to think it has to come into consideration because for Man United it's going to be essentially a lot of the teams are going to be the same team can I ask Tom is it better than the 97 Arsenal side we're going to find out

52:33Lewis Bowden:are they wrong I don't think so no I know you've only done that so they're in B as well speaking to like when I speak to a lot of people about like those teams especially people like people like Rory who can actually remember it he rates that double all the old people yeah basically like people do rate that Arsenal double winning team very highly I think even Neville says he rates that higher than the Invincible team I think go in A I mean that yeah

53:04Theo:there's an argument for it what are we on to 2000

53:07Lewis Bowden:yeah go on put Arsenal double winning team in A no but there's so many put it in A there's a lot of teams to come And then I'd put this Man United Which one we are 99-2000 I think it's 99-2000 A or top of B I'd go B for this one Agreed Yep Yeah I'm one And then the next one Had a bit of a

53:33Reev:They won the league with a lull season 2000-2001 Man United Again it's essentially just the same

53:40Theo:Van Nistelrooy came in

53:42Lewis Bowden:Who?

53:43Reev:Van Nistelrooy Who? Who's that guy? What did he get in his first season, though? Probably a lot of goals. Fucking hell. Well, it's an improvement as a team. What? If you bring in Van Nistelrooy, it's an improvement on the previous year, isn't it?

53:58Theo:But they would have got 11 left points. Yeah. But this was my argument with the previous bits. Like, they're almost... Did Sheringham leave that? Van Nistelrooy made them worse. Perhaps. That's what I mean. Would they beat the team the year before with a better player? I'd put this one in. Sorry, I'm wrong there.

54:15Lewis Bowden:He came at the end of that season. Yeah, I was going to say, no, because they were going to sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're going to have to start putting people fucking down. Yeah, see? We're going to have to start putting like, we're going to have to just hold that.

54:27Reev:This... At the top or at the bottom? Bottom. This 0-1-0-2 Arsenal side, I think it goes in A. I agree. So who have we got now for the podcast listeners? Who's in this team? Yeah. Omri. Omri. Perez. Who's we got? Yeah.

54:43Lewis Bowden:They beat Chelsea in the FA Cup final. Will Todd. It's one of the first FA Cup final I remember. Yeah. Did they win the league at United?

54:52Reev:Seaman as well. Yeah, Seaman.

54:53Lewis Bowden:They won 1-0, didn't they? Will Todd scored at Old Trafford to win in the league. We're looking at it. You know when we talk about going, they literally went to the champions, won there to win the league. Yeah. I'd put this team in A. Yeah.

55:06Theo:Good points, Talies. It's kind of good team.

55:08Reev:It's kind of competitive it was around that. Also, I remember seeing an interview, Wasn't Vengo He had sort of installed That invincible Target in this season No it was You went invincible

55:21Lewis Bowden:He said at the start of the season

55:22Reev:But no but I'm saying I read I've read someone's autobiography But he started to install it In everyone's brains You don't read bro Plant the original seed He even installed the seed Yeah yeah yeah I do read I'm an intelligent man Was there any pictures? No pictures Some pictures

55:37Theo:Colouring book

55:38Lewis Bowden:Now 0203 Man United Now this is proper lock when I first properly remember. FIFA 2003. A little struggling to remember. Above the Arsenal 97-98? I'm five. No.

55:50Reev:Yeah, I think it was a... No. No, that's a double winning team now. They're both doubles. Put Manly Knight over the head.

55:58Theo:Are we talking about 0-2-0-3 United? No, we were talking about which Arsenal team goes higher. Oh, I thought we'd move on to United. No.

56:04Lewis Bowden:Right, then we've got 0-2-0-3 Manly United. We went out in the quarterfinals

56:07Reev:of the Champions League. But on paper, this team is like a joke. Yeah, but we... But I know... But... We've already agreed that the achievements kind of count a little bit.

56:18Lewis Bowden:We originally started the assignment as like... The side Ferdinand, sorry.

56:20Theo:We were Ferdinand.

56:21Lewis Bowden:Yeah, Ferdinand. But then he got banned, you know.

56:22Theo:A league structure, who would finish where? But then we've kind of just like filtered towards... Yeah, all the teams are unbelievable because they've all fucking won the league, so... I think I'd go see. I wouldn't disagree with that. Yeah, they didn't stand out to me in terms of Man United teams across the year. But I'm in C.

56:37Lewis Bowden:And now we come on to the invincible.

56:40Reev:By the way I know Semi-finalists In two cup competitions Yeah but you want me

56:45Lewis Bowden:To read out You want me to Don't worry I mean quarterfinals

56:48Reev:In the Champions League As well

56:49Lewis Bowden:Middlesbrough knocked you Out of the League Cup Tom doesn't matter Over two legs Which you didn't win Either leg Tom we Prioritised I reckon Is that what

56:57Reev:It doesn't matter

56:58Lewis Bowden:What the hell

56:59Reev:Did you just say

57:00Lewis Bowden:Middlesbrough knocked them Out of the League Cup Chelsea knocked them Out of the Champions League You were there Gareth Southgate

57:06Theo:I reckon All things considered If it was an actual league system. It's got to be S. It's not S. No, it's not S. We've finished like top four.

57:15Reev:We're talking about, all right, let me talk. Guys, just hear me out. Hear me out. I'm allowed to say hear me out. You drew 12 games. Tom, Tom, this team literally didn't lose a football match in the Premier League. And we're talking about if we put all these teams into a match. We said it's not achievement basis though. Football's about winning, not losing. And they did win. I don't even think you believe in that. They did win. They won the Premier League. By the way, on 90 points.

57:38Lewis Bowden:Yeah that's not that amazing Drew five of your last nine games I don't think Do you actually

57:43Reev:90 points is a lot To win the Premier League It's good Yeah it is solid In that era In that era I know people have got Higher tallies But let's not act like 90 isn't a lot There's also context to it

57:52Lewis Bowden:Like you Towards the end of the season You played a lot of like Shit teams Played for draws Because you were out Of every other competition You had nothing else to play for And you basically Wrapped the league up So you were playing To draw against like Birmingham and What do you think I

58:06Theo:You can get it, or it's us. I think, in terms of impressive nature, it's probably one of the best. But we've already agreed it's not about impressiveness. It's about actually a bit. So I think there are... If we're only doing three for us, I think there are three better. But also, if you look at that team on paper... Yeah. Yeah, but loads of these teams on paper are like, fucking how good they are. Yeah, they're some of the best teams. Other than some of the United squads.

58:27Reev:Chelsea, 0-4-0-5. Sorry, is it better than the double-winning Arsenal sides? I prefer. Really, is it, though? Yeah, I prefer. I know this team more. I'd say yeah but again

58:37Lewis Bowden:it's hard for us to comment because we weren't fucking alive yeah I'd probably put it but it is peak Henry as well top of A

58:43Theo:it's peak Thierry Henry right Chelsea 0-4-5

58:46Lewis Bowden:broke the clean sheet record one league cup I'd put this in S 15 goals for John Terry as well that's pretty fucking cool yeah John Terry what season he had 15 goals 15 goals better or worse than the treble team I think it's better than I think it's better than the treble team I think they were better than the treble team personally but I know people aren't going to like that I mean I remember this team more than the treble team so I will go with the Chelsea team it's incredible

59:08Theo:I'm getting a bit scared they didn't have a weakness because there's two that left that are just insane yeah that's what we do

59:14Lewis Bowden:that's fine this Chelsea team that's why I said I want to put the United treble team in might have to move them yeah I might have to

59:21Theo:shift around a bit

59:22Lewis Bowden:we'll come to that later on though I actually don't think there's many teams on this list possibly one or two that would beat the Chelsea team who?

59:32Reev:well Campton well yeah well well yeah they

59:34Theo:might find out The sea of blue at the end, so they're in there somewhere.

59:38Lewis Bowden:I think maybe, yeah, 0-7 or 8 United. Or 5-0-6 Chelsea next though, boys. They went back-to-back, back-to-back Premier League champs. You can't underestimate doing that back-to-back. I know we haven't really mentioned that for United because they did it so often. But also, it's Chelsea came into a league where it was, sorry, Mourinho come into the league where it was completely dominated by Arsenal and Chelsea. By Red. Arsenal and Manchester United. But also, do you know what is... Took over.

1:00:03Reev:We also forget as well, How many times have we seen teams throw money at players and it hasn't really worked? And Chelsea got it right, bang on the money. Back in the day, though, was that as much of an issue? Because it's the money you've... Back in the day, was it as much of an issue? I feel like I can't think of many... Chelsea would go insane. I know it's not... No, no, no, in terms of flop signings. I can't think of many... They've had a few. Kesman?

1:00:24Lewis Bowden:Kesman, Moutou. How much were they? Kesman was like 20-odd million. Back in the day as well. That's like now 100-odd. Yeah. Is it really... That's the inflation, yeah. With inflation, I think Rio Ferdinand was the most expensive transfer ever. Wasn't it Figo? No, in the Premier League.

1:00:41Reev:Henri went to Barcelona for£16 million. I'll never forget that day. What a sign. Never forget that day.

1:00:45Lewis Bowden:What were you doing that day?

1:00:46Reev:On the sofa watching Sky Sports News and it was breaking. Henri gone to Barcelona for£16 million.

1:00:51Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but he left on his deal on that, didn't he?

1:00:53Reev:Yeah, and he was a bit old. He was a bit old.

1:00:57Lewis Bowden:One Champions League. Because they disappointed in everything, really.

1:01:01Theo:Yeah, I did. Yeah. So what?

1:01:03Lewis Bowden:BC?

1:01:05Reev:Still 91 points It might be BC I think it's It probably does see though Really though? It's the same team Yeah I know But like They're going to have to go see They're going to have to hold that Hold that Yeah

1:01:16Lewis Bowden:Top of C Yeah top

1:01:17Reev:Alright lads This is where we get Serious with Manchester United 0-6 0-7 This is

1:01:23Lewis Bowden:It's not the best of the

1:01:26Theo:Period though is it?

1:01:28Reev:No but they're cooking They are cooking Who did they lose

1:01:30Lewis Bowden:In the semi-final of the Champions League?

1:01:32Reev:Was it Batalona?

1:01:33Lewis Bowden:Was it Milan? It was Milan, wasn't it? Kaká. Oh, they won it, 07. Kaká won it, yeah. Old Trafford, whenever, and Ferdinand hit each other.

1:01:42Reev:Oh, is that Kaká's best ever match ever? United won the first leg. When he headed it round the defence, and then he went and nodded it through. 3-1 or something.

1:01:51Lewis Bowden:Yeah, runners up in the cup and fourth round of the league. I think, yeah, it was like bringing it back after the Chelsea dominance. This is the start of the...

1:01:59Reev:But the next season is more impressive than what they did. though, isn't it? Oh yeah, of course. This is the growth season, isn't it? Yeah, it's going to be a bit just Man United. Are we putting them in B or C? C. C. Because we're going to slowly ramp up, aren't we, if anything? Yeah. Yeah. I think this 07-08 is A. S.

1:02:18Theo:You think it's S? Well then we'll have to move someone down. Yeah, we'll have to have a discussion.

1:02:24Lewis Bowden:Why S, Tom? This is my opinion the best Man United team I've seen.

1:02:30Reev:Prime. Was this Ballon d 'Or winning Ronaldo? Yeah. Wayne Rooney at his peak. Tevez.

1:02:36Theo:This S category is going to be fucking brutal. And the partnership that they had at the back as well. Scholes. Scholes. Carrick. Everett. Everett. Neville.

1:02:45Reev:Van der Sar.

1:02:46Theo:Gary Neville. When you do a top... in a previous location. This team's finishing top four if we did a league. Yeah, it might be. Okay, well, that's the final S spot taken. We'll have to move people. Yeah, no, it's going to get a fucking tasty later on. If you've watched until here, guys, and you think this is how we're holding it down, it's going to change. I think Chelsea's number one.

1:03:06Reev:Chelsea would be number one.

1:03:08Theo:I think Chelsea would be number one.

1:03:08Lewis Bowden:Man, you won a Champions League. The best play in the world at the time. I still think Chelsea would win. I think Chelsea would beat them. Yeah. I don't know. Especially with John Terry, man. incredible does that mean 08 or 09 we're putting it yeah and then we got Man United 08 or 09 lost in the Champions League final another double semi final almost a treble

1:03:30Reev:it's got to be

1:03:31Lewis Bowden:A double

1:03:32Reev:no it's A double yeah and it also was A treble yeah

1:03:36Lewis Bowden:and they were on for a quadruple knocked out in the semi-finals I'd go B

1:03:39Reev:you reckon no way why no way if we're doing

1:03:43Theo:a league structure would they not just

1:03:44Reev:lost in the final of the Champions League They lost in the semi-final of the FA Cup. I know. Practically the same side. Mate, it's got to be A. That's it.

1:03:53Lewis Bowden:Didn't Mourinho get sacked the year before? There was a lot of transitional teams. This is when they had Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Bebidov, because Bebidov came in that summer as well.

1:04:02Reev:But they also only lost to Barcelona, which had Messi. This is a solid, solid. It's not B. This is like Iniesta, Xavi. This is one of the best Barcelona teams of all time. They're the only team that's not going to win the Champions League.

1:04:14Lewis Bowden:Iniesta was better. Yeah, it is. But the other team is better. No one knows. This team is in A. Of course he's in A. I don't think they're better than the Invincible Arsenal team. We'll put them lower and be able to get behind A. Yeah, you put them lower and A. I've been overruled. Yeah, chuck them... Yeah, just lower than the Invincibles. To be fair, lower than the doubles as well.

1:04:32Reev:Yeah. Then we got just a random Chelsea double in there. Ancelotti, isn't it?

1:04:37Lewis Bowden:Ancelotti, this is a good team.

1:04:38Reev:They just decided to sharper you. Who's this team up?

1:04:41Lewis Bowden:Is this like Balak on that? Yeah, I think Drogba got 29 goals in 31 games. Drogba got 29 goals there. who else you got going on was Galax or Chelsea at this point Meluda Meluda yeah well this is the Kalou where you were Galax had gone yeah Kalou would have been there yeah Lampard would have been scoring 100 goals or something was Boswinger knocking about Boswinger he was Boswinger I did always used to call him Anelka Anelka Anelka Anelka Anelka I think this is B yeah we haven't really they scored a lot of goals can I say is it B yeah Is it not C? Nah I mean like there's good players there But like Kalou and Malou They're not like Compared to like Some of the other teams They've got Lampard and Drogs mate Yeah I know This is Trime Lampard and Drogs Yeah I know but can they carry them Above like the team Like we've got We've got Ronaldo Rooney team Here in C They've got 103 legals

1:05:32Reev:Is this when they went out To Bayern Munich And they were like

1:05:34Lewis Bowden:It's a disgrace

1:05:35Reev:It's a disgrace

1:05:36Lewis Bowden:No that was against Barca

1:05:40Reev:Oh but they beat Bayern Munich So where you have them When Drogs was I think they're C

1:05:44Lewis Bowden:but I've been overruled I don't know who they lost in the Champions League I can't remember I guess the B was it Barcelona? what? it was in the round of 16 no no no that was

1:05:54Theo:oh well when they won it yeah yeah fair enough right so did we agree on B yeah? yeah 2010-2011 Man United runners up Champions League they were doing his points

1:06:07Reev:they weren't they're saying

1:06:07Lewis Bowden:Prime Man United

1:06:08Reev:is Rooney's hair starting to go now isn't it it's like properly gone isn't it was Rooney a bit out of form around this time I mean the picture itself Oh my God, Jesus Christ. Was Rooney not like, is this the period where he was struggling a bit? No, he was. It's like we're not nannies now. Because it was that, which was the season where he had his overhead kick because that ended his goal drought against City. That might have been. That's what I mean. I think he was, I think he was struggling this season. Yeah, he was struggling this year. Bourbon, I've got 20.

1:06:36Lewis Bowden:I'd go D. Whoa. I feel like we do have to start looking at D, like the C-tack was going on, but Rooney was, I remember strictly like, really was into a lot of scrutiny he went a string of games without really doing anything they went out in the Europa League round of 16 after getting knocked out by the way going out in the Europa League yeah third round of the FA Cup they got knocked out got to the same as the league I think we got I'm looking at fucking Man City oh what

1:07:00Reev:Champions League runners up yeah

1:07:03Lewis Bowden:this is when they lost to Barca in the final yeah yeah that was a good team it is a good team Bruni scored in the final didn't he with his bald ass who else they got though what's the what's the feel is that like yeah G-Sung like Fletcher and like Haric like you don't have you have like is this where they have like the age in schools where they're like no I don't retire yeah this is a D this is a D this is a D this is a Raphael Fabio job like we're talking about Raphael and Fabio like on the fullbacks this is D also Berbatov Berbatov wasn't that good at when you know and older Berbatov as well a little bit did they have Michael fucking Owen at this point.

1:07:42It's D. Was that not later? They did. I actually think they did. They had Michael Owen.

1:07:46Lewis Bowden:Yeah, this was a poor era. This is D, by the way. This is a... No, because they lost the season. This is a season where they were struggling but still doing it. How did they get the final Champions League? And won the league. Where? Because I only got 80 points. Yeah, I was on the list. This has got to be D. 80 points now. That barely gets you in the top four. One of the few teams that have got the Champions League fan and they're in D. Yeah, they got to? I'm sorry, but as a team they might have fucking done that we've got to start saying D yeah D's nuts if anything it makes the Champions League final more impressive right then Man City obviously Aguero

1:08:19Reev:you've got that United team below the Blackburn winning team yeah I think the

1:08:23Lewis Bowden:Blackburn team beat them nah Shearer Sutton Wazza he was shit that year yeah obviously Shearer Sutton was like an unbelievable partnership back in the day Tim Sherwood in midfield mate he brought him at the Grove yeah he always killed Roof yeah right Man City took the first time. It's a great league. They weren't that good. They were good. They have like Colerob, mate.

1:08:47Theo:It's the best moment. It's certainly the most impressive moment.

1:08:52Lewis Bowden:They went out in the Champions League group stage and then got knocked out of the Europa League round of 16. I think it could be deep.

1:08:58Reev:It's Rubinho signed for you. No, this is Rubinho's.

1:09:01Lewis Bowden:He'd already gone. Yeah, Rubinho's.

1:09:02Reev:Who's that front? Is it Joe? Balotelli? No, it was Guero. I was a Guero Balotelli.

1:09:08Lewis Bowden:It's 2012. at all. Nasri. Aguera. This is when they signed all your players. This is the Aguera name. Yeah. Yeah. It's the first title.

1:09:15Reev:I get so confused with this era. It's D. I actually think it's D. Like if you think about the team that they are. Yeah. I think so many of these teams would be there. They went to a final day with an even older version of the team we just put in D. And like, you know what I mean? Is this Lescott? Yeah. It's like, yeah, they have Lescott on the team. It's like Lescott's good, but it's like Jesus. Yeah. Clichy.

1:09:38Lewis Bowden:They were a good team, obviously, but yeah, I think in the context of this, I could do. Better or worse than that Man United team? I think they were better. Better. I think better. And then I'd also put this Man United team, I can't believe it. Rvp. Oh, no, sorry. Van Persie. They signed him and won the bloody league. I know, but as a team, they were average, man. This is Fergie's last year. Do you remember the mess he left it in? Van Persie carried them to that, really. Genuinely, yeah. Rooney and Van Persie. I'd put them in D. They went out in the round of 16. Didn't they go out to, was it Ben Fee?

1:10:08Lewis Bowden:I can't remember. quarterfinals of the cup fourth man of the league cup this was not a good Man United team bottom of D oh yeah Ronaldo come back and beat them in that green key yeah I'm higher of that you have to be ahead of the other Man United team in D though I think yeah below yeah I think so no it's not below

1:10:24Theo:the RVP team's better than them put RVP team above Will please there you go

1:10:31Lewis Bowden:the A double again the double winning City team with Torre this was Torre season No, we're fucking talking. This is a good team. I love Yaya Atura. Who was their manager at this point? Pellegrini. Pellegrini. They have David Silva at this point too. Yeah. They've got David Silva in, yeah. Is this the year they beat United 6-1? Oh, what was this midfield? That wasn't a Mancini. It was Yaya Atura, David Silva. Who else was in there? Who else did they have in there? What are you in about? Well, this team. Who did they play in midfield? Well, they just signed Fernandinho. Yeah, Fernandinho. Jesus Navas.

1:11:04Lewis Bowden:Jesus Navas. I used to get him all the time on FIFA. Yeah. Jekyll was good

1:11:08Reev:I think top of I think it's in B Again went out

1:11:11Lewis Bowden:Round of 16 Champions League But they won the double I think it's a B It's not an A I'm going to bottom a B Is this when they have People like Mangala Probably

1:11:18Reev:What a fucking shout that is He signed him With footy manager He sold his goal For 30 mil

1:11:23Lewis Bowden:14-15 Chelsea Another double winning Chelsea side This isn't Is this Conte Is it Conte No No it's not He's not won the league Is Mourinho Mourinho comes back This is Hazard Oh yeah Hazard and Diego Costa

1:11:42Reev:Don't let Hazard Cesc Fabregas Diego Costa as well though Fabregas, Diego Costa What's the defence? Kale, Terry

1:11:54Lewis Bowden:Azpilicueta Ivanovic Would it be Azpilicueta as well?

1:11:58Reev:We left that Who was on the right side?

1:12:02Lewis Bowden:Would it have been Ivanovic or Azpilicueta? Who's on right wing?

1:12:06Theo:He played centre-back for Chelsea for quite a bit. Mainly a right-back. In a three, wasn't it? Yeah. Never the fuck's right-wing. As for quite a left-back. I'm right-back. Yeah, he did.

1:12:14Reev:You had Oscar Mimenez. Oscar. Is he still up in China? Yeah. Have you not seen his interview? He said... How old's he now? He made like£180 million He ended up finishing his career at Sao Paulo. He didn't touch any of his salary. He just lived off bonuses. And all the salary went into a bank account. That's insane.

1:12:30Lewis Bowden:Doorball winning as well. They won the door... Was this... I can't... Debit Everton? No? Who'd they beat in the final? Of the League Cup? Spurs. Oh, yes. 2-0. Matic in this team. Yeah, I think he is. I think he'd already signed for... 50-50 gamble, I think he is or no? I'm all right with this. We actually watched this game in the pub the other day. On pitch side. What do you mean it was on? Premier League, yes. The replay of the League Cup final. Was it B? You think bottom of B? Yeah. double winning team come on man D

1:13:07Reev:15-16 that's the team bottom of D Mahrez really Kante it just yeah look are they not better than that United lads Wes Morgan who like what let's not even like it's bottom of D yeah I agree Wes Morgan and who Markle

1:13:25Lewis Bowden:Brighton dead 12 players

1:13:27Theo:Kante plays for Schmeichel Schmeichel yeah Schmeichel Yeah, you're right here. Mokuzaki.

1:13:34Reev:I think this team beats United. I agree, yeah. Absolutely. The way this Leicester City team played.

1:13:40Lewis Bowden:Christian Fuchs. We've got to think of that season. Okay. Like, they went to City, won 3-1. Like, they were good.

1:13:47Reev:They beat Arsenal to the title and Spurs. They had Robert Huth, man.

1:13:51Lewis Bowden:I know. It was a good centre-half. It was a good centre-half. I'd put them above that United. Yeah. That's fine from the United. Yeah, okay.

1:14:00Reev:All right, Chelsea coming with 93 points. This is Conte, isn't it? This is Conte, isn't it? This is a good team.

1:14:05Lewis Bowden:Yeah. He made Victor Moses look like a fucking well-beater playing that wing-back system. I still think...

1:14:12Reev:This is when Matic scored the absolute thunderbolt in the FA Cup final. Yeah, you have to also remember they didn't have European football. Who was it against?

1:14:21Lewis Bowden:Yeah, they weren't playing for it. No, no, no. That was in the semi-final against Spurs, that was. Was it? They beat them 4-2, yeah.

1:14:26Reev:I remember I had on my FA Cup adventure this year. No. 93 points. 93 points is a lot. No European football, though. so it's less games yeah because they finished like 10th the season before didn't they

1:14:37Lewis Bowden:still difficult to beat yeah they won it finished 10th in the Mourinho and then Continental and won it again

1:14:43Reev:Hazard at his peak could it be in B somewhere I think so I don't know if it's in B I think it's top of C because they literally had less games which is like they'd be Ed in Hazard middle but we already have a Hazard team do we have a Hazard team yeah

1:14:58Lewis Bowden:now we've got 100 point man so where are you having this top of C

1:15:02Reev:Miggolo Kante Oh yeah

1:15:05Lewis Bowden:Bottom of B You reckon Kante Hazard 93 point Come on lads Would they beat that team In the Mourinho Would they beat what Their 14-15 Chelsea team No That's why they're below them Yeah Yeah City 2017 Centurion

1:15:23Reev:It's the most impressive thing And a double Isn't it Double double double It's the most impressive thing Do you think 100 points Well barring Leicester It is, I'd say. So it's not the most impressive thing. Yeah, you've got me there.

1:15:36Theo:I'm handcuffed to the table on that one.

1:15:38Lewis Bowden:This is like Sane, isn't it? This is like... Is it Sterling? Yeah, this is Raheem and... Sterling, by the way. Jesus at full form, man. Yeah, Sterling. Three goals a game every game. Were they better than the team the next season? No. That domestic treble winning... I think it's an A team. Wasn't that the team they pipped Liverpool to it as well? That was the best title race ever, I think.

1:15:59Reev:I think this team is A.

1:16:00Theo:who's the midfielder at this point is we're about to Nair you have QDB

1:16:05Reev:I'd say Zabba Silva still there yeah I think you've got top of A I agree top of A and I think this next one's us I agree and we're moving we should move down Man United treble

1:16:17Lewis Bowden:where's this domestic winning city say going to go yes but which one takes out the Man United trebles yeah yeah there yeah moving down to the top people are so annoyed the only two teams that did the treble. But we already established this. Yeah, but it's not,

1:16:34Theo:this isn't like a list of achievement basis. It's like, if they were in a league, where would they finish?

1:16:41Reev:No, but also at the same time, you could play devil's advocate and say that the Ronaldo team is 07, 08, sorry. Like, if, for example, they are this good, why didn't they win a treble? True.

1:16:54Lewis Bowden:Because it's relative, isn't it? The teams around them as well. That season, they didn't win a treble because that to play Barcelona in the final. Yeah, and you could also do one of the best teams of all time. They could also play Bayern Munich in the final. Yeah, but they got absolutely battered and got two late goals from a set. There is context to it, isn't it? And you could also play devil's advocate again

1:17:13Theo:and say how can so many of these people play themselves so many times in the season? Is there loads of teams on there?

1:17:22Reev:Also, you're playing against like 50-year-olds. What?

1:17:25Lewis Bowden:Next team! Wayne Rooney's in the list I think I think that Liverpool team That comes second To Man City Would beat most of these teams They'd probably be an A But they didn't win it Yep How's that? 1920 though Liverpool 99 points Yeah they were so good man They'd won it by like Is this Covid? Yeah literally Isn't it mad

1:17:42Reev:They had a timeout And then came back They got 97 points And the next season Got 99 points It's D No one cares

1:17:48Theo:This is also When they could have Actually got more points But then As you say They'd already won

1:17:54Reev:Everyone's going to go Invincible they're going to go invincible I actually think

1:17:57Lewis Bowden:the league before the team before was probably better but they couldn't get over the line against City they only lost one game didn't they Liverpool or is that the Watford loss I think the 25th 26th game of the season was Watford before then they'd won every game except for one which is a 1-1 draw at Man United and they lost one and then just lost a few towards the end I think it's A somewhere in A you kept swapping these mics back would they beat the invincibles

1:18:20Reev:no you moved it you swapped it I swapped it for the small one

1:18:25Theo:You swapped it. It's on camera. Theo, come on, lock in, bro. He's trying to say that they'd be the Invincible. Who would? 1920 Liverpool. You didn't know they would? I don't think they would. Yeah, they would. I'd have a shot. Right. Van Dijk at his peak.

1:18:38Reev:It's a very good team. Salah, man. They've been to 99 points. Do you know what I'm going to end this? Would they do it, though? Yes or no? Would they beat Arsenal? Would they do it? Well, it's tough because Arsenal's defence was just like fucking insane.

1:18:50Lewis Bowden:So there's Trent Robertson, Van Dijk.

1:18:53Reev:Yeah, but Arsenal's defence was more like a defence. Alison. Alison. They'd cook your brother. I think you would just, they'd draw. No. Yeah, you lot probably would, yeah.

1:19:01Theo:I'd put them above the Invincibles. Put them above the Invincibles. They are, they are, they are. Don't worry, he did that. 20 to 21 Man City. Champions League runners up. This is the start of the dynasty. Yeah. Before he was born.

1:19:13Reev:Won the second dynasty.

1:19:13Theo:Won the league. Won the league cup.

1:19:16Lewis Bowden:I'd go C.

1:19:17Reev:Yeah. In that manner, why are we whacking them in the C? Top of C?

1:19:21Lewis Bowden:Yeah.

1:19:22Reev:At mental, they're not worse than the Leicester team. What? Wait, where is that still? Lasses and D. They're second bottom. You looked like Hanna here, didn't you? Yeah. Also COVID tax. It's true. They don't count. 21, 22 though. 93 points. Not a double this time. I don't remember. When did Rodri come in? Was that 22?

1:19:42Theo:It's like... About here, I think. Yeah. But Fernandinho's lifting the trophy, so he's still knocking about with him at this point. He's still like pissing about. I can't actually see him in the picture. Also, they went...

1:19:53Lewis Bowden:Rodri signed in 2019. Yeah, so that was them going back to back as well. They have like, is this like Laporte and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Laporte and Cancelo and... Yeah.

1:20:06Theo:Yeah. Yeah. Go on. I don't really know. Kyle Walker. Oh, one of our players. I was thinking about where to put them. Who else did they put? Otmendi, the Adam with as well, was it? No, I think you... Otmendi. He did one game. Yeah, Otmendi. No, no, not this season. Not this season? No. Is this Diaz? Is this Diaz's first season? Ruben. It is, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Ruben Diaz. This one's on you, bro. This one's on you. You want it right now? I want them below the previous season.

1:20:34Lewis Bowden:He signed in 2020 Diaz, so it's his second season. I think lower end of the season. But this is when he won player of the season, right? No, didn't he win in his first year? Didn't do a double? Did he? Did a double the season before. I think lower end of C. I thought it was the year after COVID ended. D? Oh, like, fuck it. Look how many we got in C. We've got to start being signed.

1:20:51Theo:Yeah, but I mean, their midfield alone is probably one of the better in the... He won football by his play of the year here in 2020 to 21, so the year before. Oh, okay. His first year, yeah. That's so impressive. I think they'll end up seeing them, if you don't think they. Go on, then. But this team is better than Blackburn.

1:21:07Lewis Bowden:Yeah.

1:21:07Theo:Yeah.

1:21:09Lewis Bowden:It is. Yeah. Put it above Blackburn. Yeah, there you go. Now we've got Man City travel winners.

1:21:16Theo:I mean, I... That's... Are they not just better than the Centurions? Erling, Rodri Kevin De Bruyne You couldn't stop Would they be In the league Of course they would This version of De Bruyne I think is better Wait no

1:21:31Lewis Bowden:We haven't put Centurions in this We've put the Domestic treble in Yes

1:21:35Reev:Their treble This treble is more Impressive than Domestic treble

1:21:37Lewis Bowden:It's not that impressive Who would win This team Yeah go on Put it above City

1:21:42Reev:Rodri Harland Yeah Ballon d 'Or Rodri is this And then

1:21:46Lewis Bowden:23 24 Man City Jesus This is when Rodri wins at Ballon d 'Or because it's the Euros. Yeah, this is their fourth in a row.

1:21:58Lewis Bowden:Disappointing in all the other competitions, they were a good team. Top of B. No, it's got to be A. And a bit of an Arsenal bottle as well in this one. It's A. I think it's A. I think it's A. Where though? It can't be high though. It's not above the invincible. It can't be high.

1:22:15Reev:Are they better than the Arsenal double winning team?

1:22:18Lewis Bowden:That's what I mean. No, put it at the bottom of A or top of B. That's what I'm saying. and top of B because otherwise you're just stacking here for no reason. Top of B. Wow. And then Liverpool 24-25 I'm in slot. D. I fucking agree. I actually agree. That season was shit. Yeah. I put them below the fucking Rooney guy. The Rooney guy.

1:22:37Theo:He's in the list about 10 times though. No, they're better

1:22:40Lewis Bowden:than that United team. Nah, fuck. You know how you talk about the Liverpool team. You think this Liverpool team

1:22:44Theo:are the worst team?

1:22:45Lewis Bowden:They beat the Leicester team. The worst Premier League champions ever. They would beat Leicester. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will they? Will not. No, no, no. Will they? Salah scored about a million goals.

1:22:54Theo:Yeah, he got like 60 goals.

1:22:56Lewis Bowden:They'd run the league and then just kind of put their feet up towards the season as well. These are. There was just no competition. Yeah, fuck them.

1:23:03Reev:What, Champions League finalists? And we come down to the big one, eh? 11-16. No, I think Arsenal you're talking about. We come up to the big one. 25-26. No, no, no. 5-26, Arsenal, 85 points. Not really any competition throughout the whole year. tough to beat though tough to beat City didn't really try or turn off they didn't try Stork City football ruined the league Champions League final 85 points lost in the league cup final two finals you're talking about a lot of losses still two finals good for your case bringing up the losses that is good for your case because they lost in the final and lost that's true but they also got over the stigma you got to the

1:23:44Lewis Bowden:Champions League final with like a conference league rule I'm genuinely going to be fair

1:23:49Theo:he's only saying this because the Arsenal got knocked out I'm genuinely going to be fair I'll be unbiased I think it's like just underneath Blackburn

1:24:01Lewis Bowden:I think you're being stupid there I think it's just below Leicester yeah we'll no but no we're in C you are Laurence is it yes or no it's the worst attack to ever win the Premier League yes but one of the best defences Yeah

1:24:17Theo:One of the most difficult teams To beat It's not you ended up Conceding like 40 goals They were Yeah but we were on For John Terry's record At the start What the first four games Yeah well done And don't tell you If you're in a league With all these teams Who wins We wouldn't get Fucking relegated mate That's what you're Trying to imply You reckon this I'll tell you It's not even Out of the question You think in terms Of style of play We probably would But in terms of Actually in a league format Of all these teams You were the most Barring team out of everyone in the team. Yeah, I agree with that.

1:24:48Theo:You can actually... No, I mean, I agree with the point he's trying to make. I don't agree that that's true.

1:24:53Lewis Bowden:for like the top teams last year. Everyone was shit. Terrible standards.

1:24:56Theo:But you can say that about some of the United years because it was already

1:24:59Lewis Bowden:given to you. We did. That's why the Van Persie one's down there. Nah, I think we're better than that team. If we're fair, put them above Leicester.

1:25:09Theo:We wouldn't get relegated in this system though, would we?

1:25:12Lewis Bowden:Yeah, above that United one, not above Liverpool. Yeah, can't be. I think this is fair. They're not in D, are they?

1:25:20Reev:They're in C. They're not in C. They're not better than the Liverpool team. They're better than fucking Blackburn. Mate, don't disrespect this Blackburn. This Arsenal team is better than the Blackburn team. That's one of the best striking partnerships in the history of football. Football's about goals, mate. It's about winning. You and Norbert. Are you like Jokeres up front? Actually, yeah, there's no fucking win. We scored the second most goals behind us. A team with Jokeres is getting out of D. We scored the second most goals behind the team. that Erling Haaland up front. Did you see Jokeres try and pass the ball on your friendly shit?

1:25:50Lewis Bowden:40 were corners. I'm sorry, I want them below Leicester. A plus 44 goal difference. It's actually annoying me that Rooney is there and we have fucking I was actually warning you to begin but now I've thought about it. It's below Leicester. They should have snatched that Blackburn one out of me. Mahrez, Kante and Vardy is better than anything you could put out. The attack wise, yeah. Anything wise. Well, no, no. But we're talking about the whole team. What about defensively? Kante would run you over. Robert Hoof or Gabriel? Me, Vardy would tear you fucking apart. Where's Morgan or Saliba? Yeah.

1:26:21Saliba is over it.

1:26:22Reev:Fuchs or Calafiori? Well, it's Hinkapier, isn't it? Me, I don't give a Fuchs. Big Fon Hinkapier. Get your bum out.

1:26:29Lewis Bowden:Don't say that to Fuchs. I think that's fine, right? Timber or Danny Simpson? On his day? Simpson. Fuck off, mate. With all Brighton tracking back? Yeah. No.

1:26:39Theo:Right? I think we've done it. Rice or drink water? Well, we're not in the relegations, are we? Rice or drink rice?

1:26:45Lewis Bowden:let's just have a look let's have a look at your top three in third you've got the City treble win the size

1:26:50Reev:yeah

1:26:51Lewis Bowden:so we're saying Man City Chelsea the best team ever

1:26:54Theo:Chelsea 0-4-5 in a league format I think they'd win

1:26:57Reev:I know we had this argument where I played Silly Goose and all that in the previous but I do think Chelsea's actually you've got three teams there

1:27:05Lewis Bowden:who won the league and Champions League that year below them yeah they're going to have to fucking hold that shit what are they going to do cry what are they going to do disagree with us in the comments. Wow. We haven't had that thought. You know, they'll try and disagree,

1:27:18Reev:but they won't be able to fucking understand what we've just done. Oh, you've fucking done where you're classy. They'll look at them photos and be like, what fucking year is that?

1:27:26Lewis Bowden:Why is that Chelsea team the best then, ever? They were so well-rounded. They were so well-rounded. They only lose two games as well, or one game. They scored loads of goals. You couldn't score against them. Also, they were just

1:27:38Reev:so well-rounded. They didn't have a weakness. This is prime Mourinho. They literally didn't have a weakness.

1:27:42Theo:Yeah.

1:27:43Reev:It wasn't single. Arsenal last year weakness was the attack could say that by 07 yeah but we've ended up

1:27:48Theo:in D mate

1:27:48Lewis Bowden:it's a bit of a difference

1:27:51Reev:you're going down you're not relegated shit as of them mate right let us know

1:27:56Lewis Bowden:in the comments what you think you're probably going to be annoyed if you support some of them teams but you know what you can suck a fart out my arse I bet you'd like that right boys it is now time for I love these lists personally overrated putting footballers in the place oh you're on all your wages oh you're living a great life well you're shit according to us overrated world 11 lads by the way

1:28:16Reev:that doesn't necessarily mean they're shit because all it takes is one person to overrate them I think it means they're shit

1:28:22Theo:but you know overrated's one of those that they kind of have to have some sort of yeah

1:28:26Reev:they've got to be rated yeah they've got to be rated and originate they might be a player

1:28:30Lewis Bowden:in the Premier League who plays in the Premier League I think should be

1:28:31Reev:in the National League also this is a world 11 guys so I'm assuming we've all gone outside of the Premier League hell yeah mate I'm going to go first because I'm excited about my team oh you're going first I never go first Go on then, Ludov.

1:28:45Lewis Bowden:I really want to hear this.

1:28:46Reev:Wait, sorry, can I preface this, by the way? Lewis and Tom were outside giggling with each other.

1:28:51Lewis Bowden:We weren't on about this.

1:28:52Reev:Yeah, you were whispering as well. You were conniving. I don't change my team like you, because I stick to what I have.

1:28:58Lewis Bowden:And by the way, we're going to look at what we did last year, and a few years shouldn't be that confident quite yet.

1:29:04Reev:Well, last year was just the Premier League. We're never confident. No, it was a World XI as well.

1:29:09Lewis Bowden:Why don't you fucking put a team in then? Oh!

1:29:12Theo:Okay. You won't be laughing for a long time. I haven't looked at yours. I'm not going to lie. There's only one... No, Bellingham's in mine. No. Oh, God. There's only one position I struggle with, and it's goalkeeper. And this one, I don't even... I guess you can say so, but I don't even necessarily agree with myself. But I was really struggling. Back yourself, bro. I put Martinez, but I think at this point, he's not really... I feel like at this point, though, everyone says he's over here. That is he over here. Yeah, I feel like Martinez is like an easy shout. Every time we do this,

1:29:37Reev:we put Martinez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Who hates him? You. I don't like him. It does always just get brought up about him at the World Cup a little bit. I think he's a rat. Okay, this is where it gets sexy though. You'd have him in your team, wouldn't you? Nope. Not my team, mate. No, no, sorry. Not specifically. I wouldn't have him anywhere near my fucking team anymore. Yeah. Well said. Do you fucking fancy him or what? What? Not at all. But I mean like... Argentinian lover over here. He's going to be taking a bank holiday. You want to have sex with Messi? What? You see that? They're taking a bank holiday to commemorate the win.

1:30:07Theo:It's not on the table as Martin as we're talking about. Timpot.

1:30:09Reev:but Messi nowhere near my team either after what he tried to do with Cucurella come on then Luke right actually this player's been taking national sides this player was overrated by a person on this table very recently on pitch side Dumfries I've got Dumfries as well

1:30:23Lewis Bowden:don't mind that I think you're right how good he is at Real Madrid he's really not that good he's not that good he really isn't he's just a big fucking lump yeah that is just not true at all

1:30:33Reev:he just runs up and down a big lump means they can't run he's a rapid no he's a lump who can run forward and backwards Very good foot. I think you're fucking dumb. He's not. He's really... What does he actually do that's, like, really good? Like, in any way? I think he's fast. This is why I was... You're the kind of guy who thought, like, Traore was good. He was fast and strong. So you think, oh, he's good foot. He actually couldn't kick a ball. It's so disrespectful to just call Dumfries Traore. Oh, Dumfries, you are shit, actually. You and Traore are really a bit fucked up. That's how I know you don't know.

1:31:01Theo:Imagine he absolutely barks off at Rob. What? He's not... He'll never go off because he's not good enough He's Trent at right back.

1:31:08Reev:Yeah, he'll play, yeah. But you called Trent one of the best right backs in the world. Because that's Mourinho, though. That's Mourinho's time. All right, okay, here we go. That's what you call thinking. That's key, Theo. Oh, is it? Flip-flop thinking is what you do. All Dumfries has is physical attributes. Do you not understand what I'm saying?

1:31:23Lewis Bowden:No, I do a little bit.

1:31:24Theo:He just has physical attributes. You are genuinely the reason why he's put them in. Yeah.

1:31:28Lewis Bowden:I've got him in as well because of you.

1:31:30Theo:Dumfries. Oh, fucking hell, Dumfries. Last week.

1:31:34Lewis Bowden:You've watched him twice. I've been a big fan of Dumf. Okay, centre-backs. I have got Saliba. I'm starting to think like fraud-washed at the point. Did you watch him at the World Cup?

1:31:46Reev:Yeah, but what not? He made up a McConnell. Let me get this. Let me get this. You were giggling outside because you were going to agree with everything he's got.

1:31:52Lewis Bowden:I've just disagreed with him. You fuck with it. He's literally just disagreed. I thought he said he made Dumfries look good. He made up a McConnell look good. That's how good Saliba is. World Cup tax is a career. He was also Arsenal's best centre-half towards the end of last season. No, second half of the season, he was better than Gabriel. I think it's Gabriel. Okay, Lewis, can I ask,

1:32:11Reev:why do you think he's overrated? Also, did you watch Gabriel for Brazil? Yeah, no, but the World Cup is all fucking... But he does matter. Saliba elevates a big old... No, fuck it. No, I think... Look, I'm not saying he's shit, but I don't think he's... I think Gabriel is clear of Saliba. No. I really think he is.

1:32:26Lewis Bowden:I think Saliba's becoming underrated now. I agree. Because Gabriel scores goals. We had this conversation during... I think Saliba's the best centre-half in the world. Well, you know I like the centre-back goals. John Terry.

1:32:34Reev:We had this exact conversation during the season. Well, you'd be agreeing with us. I love so. I think... You haven't given him one reason why you think he's overrated. Well, you've literally proven my point by saying that you think he's better than Gabriel and I'm saying that I don't think so. You're wrong. Great argument. Yeah, nice. Subscribe for Football on Debate, guys. Araujo, I think he's shit. I don't know why Liverpool even won him. Ronaldo Araujo, yeah. Yeah, he's fucking shit. I haven't seen enough of him to be fair. He's wank. You watch him enough. Left back, again, done by quite a lot on this show.

1:33:05There are Arsenal players because I'm surrounded by Arsenal fans all my life, but Lewis Skelly, and it's a bit harsh because he's so young, but like, I think he wasn't

1:33:13Theo:even playing, mate. That's a bit harsh. You would literally say now he's the fucking best left back in the league, mate, and he didn't play for the entire season. He did the world. Yeah, but that would have been valid the year before. And it's a shame because it happens to a lot of just young players in general where like, they have like a good little bright spark and then all of a sudden like they're going to be the next big thing. And it's like, It's unfair standard to instantly put on them because we found out that he's not even able to break the team. This season, he's not going to get minutes left back.

1:33:41He's not going to get minutes in midfield. I think Man United should come in for him.

1:33:44Reev:Did you not watch Jinder last season when he played in midfield and was one of our best players? You just signed Bruno G. I'm talking about last season when he was one of our best players in midfield. Yeah, no, but he's not going to get the minutes that he should be getting. I think Man United should go get him because they need someone who's centre mid and left back. So it's perfect for them. It's perfect for them.

1:33:59Theo:But yeah, unfortunately, he's still class. It's a bit unfair if you're just saying he's not getting minutes and then he's still overrated. No, but you can only blame yourself as a fan base, Arsenal fans, because you did massively boost him up. He's just doing a list from a year ago.

1:34:12Reev:It's just what all clubs do. I don't think it's just the Arsenal fan base big enough. It was every single football pundit on Sky as well. Everyone was talking about how good Lewis Skelly was. And that's also true at the time. You do this a lot, Theo, where you say everyone said this, everyone said that, but did everyone say this? Yeah. No. Yeah, they did. that's like it's an argument they can't really argue about because you don't really have proof of that and I'm not sure that's completely true well the proof is just like watching the television and reading no no that's yeah but again that's a foul would you agree with me that debate is completely are you agree with me as well do you disagree with Reeve no because I've I don't disagree with Reeve no because I remember completely saying I disagree with you so not everyone was saying it so you disagree hang on a minute you disagree with me but then Reeve thinks the same thing but you don't disagree with Reeve I'm talking to you and you're trying to bring Reeve that doesn't make any sense he can't look at me No, what you're doing is You hear what I'm saying?

1:34:57Reev:No, he's trying to Look at me He's trying to bring you into the debate because he doesn't want to fight his own corner You know what you've just said, right? Theo You disagree with me but Reeve agrees with me but you agree with Reeve No, Theo You're trying to confuse the argument away from the actual argument Theo, Theo What I'm saying is, Theo You're saying that everyone was saying this about Lewis Skelly They were And it's a foulless argument that you do all the time because it's Who is everyone? And that's not true Not everyone was saying that There were massive portions of people saying he isn't all that He isn't You literally go was on the show saying, he was on the, me and him were both on the show laughing at you when you were saying he's up there with the best.

1:35:31So not everyone was saying it. At the time he was. But it's just an argument that he could throw out and you can never rebuttal against it is the issue. But the general consensus at the time was he was like a brilliant effect. In your opinion, but it wasn't everyone saying that. It wasn't every football pundit. At the time it was. You said, of course they were. It wasn't everyone and every football pundit and you just say that and it's like impossible to rebuttal. He did laugh at you when you put he was the best in the world. yeah but that was come on anyways I've got in midfield I've got Tonali yeah wow you've turned you've turned fast no like he's a good player but like we're at this level where we're seeing like lads he's had three seasons

1:36:04Theo:he's had three seasons one was great and the other one was shit yeah

1:36:07Reev:I don't have him that's only two mate you actually don't make sense he's had three season yeah one was great one was shit what about the other season he was ineligible to play with it oh there he is fair enough I feel like you I do keep doing you and then when I get you in my back pocket you go

1:36:25Theo:in the back pocket that's embarrassing oh my god I just cooked you not Tom though because you're scared of him he agrees with me Musiala do you think so? yeah interesting Musiala I think that name carries a lot of weight and then it's just like he had a shit world cup and he didn't really do too much in the league either when I was on the little crew he snapped his leg in half yeah he was injured for like the whole season I know but like it is one of those names where Carries

1:36:53Lewis Bowden:broke his leg in four places it is one of those names where Carries is weird there's a few in mind that I'm like

1:36:57Theo:you say the name and people go oh I think it's a bit harsh on the Seattle no I don't agree specifically with that one but the sentiment that he's putting forward I do agree that's one of them I actually stand by the most you know he's good though he snaps his leg I mean even Elise says he's the best dribbler at Bayern Munich yeah Michael Elise says Jamal Mishala is the best driver at Boim. You just hear that name, it's like, what the fuck's he doing? There's a reason for... He was out for a year. No, he played last season. He played like 25, 28 games last season. Yeah, but he's coming back

1:37:31Reev:from a lifelong defining injury. That's quite harsh. That could be fair. It's always going to be harsh. I'm saying that because someone has to be rated for me to think they're overrated. So it's always going to be good players, isn't it? Poor Jamal, man. Fuck, he's a millionaire? He doesn't give a fuck what I think He's still a serious We always go like Oh poor them Poor them He has feelings They probably look at me Saying that I think This specky fucking nerd They do not care You think because he has money He doesn't have feelings Look at him Laughing

1:37:59Lewis Bowden:Did I say poor him to you? Has he been diagnosed? That Yeah

1:38:06Theo:Come on brother Walk one Keep a bit of consistency Do I need to explain that? No No Right Do people rate him now, Jack? I mean Liverpool fans still think he's going to be like oh he's going to he's going to take the league by his door no some of them are like doubling down where it's like proper like oh one first season to warm up second season he's going to stink it still um call Pam I'm calling that on the right ah no comment not his eyes no no his eyes is overrated nah what the fuck nah if you actually if you actually just think about it though I've actually been paid for that so yeah I agree with you what if it was just like a one season thing he didn't do it was just a two season like what if though like because he wasn't hey let me say

1:38:51Reev:what happens if like he had a recurring injury last year so he can get back to his nah but like it could also it could also be a bit like

1:38:58Theo:do you think he's going to get cold mocked by Rodgers this season like genuinely like actually he might he's like

1:39:04Reev:oh his eyes are so good he puts it in his pocket nah but like what if like Rodgers keeps scoring and they do it together then Cole never scores and then he starts like stop doing it but then he'll stop doing it and it'll create friction that's what cold mug is what if that isn't true it's what I think is going to happen

1:39:24Lewis Bowden:so Lewis by your judging that Palmer is going to have a poor season this year no it doesn't have to be that drastic look he had an unbelievable season and like those two seasons were there and the last season was here he probably lies in between I don't think this is going to be his permanent state I think it's probably here and that means So you don't think he's that good?

1:39:45Reev:So you think this season is going to be a bit more of just a bang average season for him? Oh, actually it'll be a good season. It could be a good season but it won't be at the height of where we expect it. How good is Cole Palmer? Because this is the thing, right? He's Cole Palmer World Class. Because this thing, when you think about it, when you think about it, you never think it's going to end for a player and you never think that level is going to drop when they're up there. It's kind of with Ford and when Ford's at the absolute peak, the things that we were saying about Ford and I've seen on Twitter, it was like a few clips from like years back.

1:40:13It was like immense what we're saying about it. But it's talent versus consistency. That's what I mean. And it does, you never think it's going to drop until it does. And it's like, they still got it in there. By the way, I hope I'm wrong because I won Cole Palmer to be unbelievable. It's 24 years old. But it could, I think like he's 35. But it could be one of those cases where it's like, he never reaches that high again and you think about it for years on end. Is he well classed? Is he well classed? No. I don't think he is, no. There you go. I did it here first. Raphael Leal on the left. Is he rated?

1:40:43Yeah, he is. Mate, everyone just thinks, oh, Rafael Leal. Everyone wants the team to sign Rafael Leal and he's lazy and doesn't fucking have delivery. Everyone's like,

1:40:51Theo:oh, bring him on, bring him on. Just fuck off. The idea of Rafael Leal was so much better. He has sort of great PR team. Who? Martinez. Yeah. Oh, that's all right. Yeah. Talking about him. I couldn't choose between him and Jokarez. You don't even rate Jokarez. Yeah, but you still do. I'm going Jokarez. Yeah, but we have an honest assessment of him, though. He was about to put more in it. It's not honest. You made him do Jokeres. Honest, no. How do you think he's overrated? Oh, my God. He's so unbelievably shit. It actually fucking infuriates me. I know. It actually... It really... It actually...

1:41:25The fact that he has a Premier League medal makes me more annoyed than my bro... One of the Premier League first seeds, by the way. Fucking Brozier's more deserving of a Premier League medal. Is he the worst player to ever win the Premier League? Yes, he is. Oh, shut up. And you have Wes Morgan walking around with one. What's wrong with Wes Morgan? He's not as good. I think he's quite infuriating. influential for that Leicester side really yeah yeah sorry Christian Fuchs he's also quite influential for the Leicester side either way all of them are better than fucking Jokeres because he wasn't influential and Fabio or Raphael he listed I swear I swear on absolute anything and actually the World Cup proved it Jimenez is better than Jokeres

1:41:57Lewis Bowden:maybe Luke Chadwick won one in 2001 he's better than Jokeres genuinely had a great spell at Cambridge that's me too and Jokeres is probably the one I stand by the most

1:42:07Theo:if he's stinky how is he scoring goals you could stick any professional striker in the team for Arsenal and they're going to pick up a few little tap-ins which is exactly all he scores by the way

1:42:19Reev:24 goals a few little tap-ins how many penalties not enough mate why do you yeah look I think it's clear as day like we saw Jimenez all it took was me to say

1:42:31Theo:he's not even rated and you went alright not like Arturo Martinez you're good by you's you still rated we support him as a player but we're not saying

1:42:40Lewis Bowden:he's fucking unbelievable. All I'll say is you think he deserves to be in your squad? All I'm saying is he deserves to be in the squad. I wouldn't if you offered him me at the Albin on a free I'd maybe give you. But would you though? Yeah. You know what I mean? Would you? I actually don't need him. All I'm saying is that argument that we did about Liverpool Is he not better

1:42:59Theo:than all of your strikers? Would he not just get straight into the nuke? He's not better than Azula. Fuck off. Azula's better than your crew. He is literally better than

1:43:07Lewis Bowden:his crew. By the way, the Liverpool Verts argument is Arsenal fans with Jokeres It's like

1:43:14Theo:There's a means to an end He didn't do it Thank God for Jokeres Literally part of the reason it happens

1:43:22Lewis Bowden:Do you think you win the league last year

1:43:24Theo:We've already had this argument I think it's the butterfly effect and I don't think you could call it I'm going to stand on business and say that if Jokeres wasn't in it, then we don't win the league Okay, good

1:43:36Lewis Bowden:Fuck off my 11 i've got martinez and dumfries as well yeah martinez and i've got another martinez the butcher

1:43:44Reev:yeah god one thank you give him a nick i've been his biggest hater no he was in the world cup

1:43:50Theo:you said he was top three center backs in the world yeah he was but

1:43:58Lewis Bowden:defensively he was shocking he scored one hammered shot in a for cool i've always hated him i don't understand this loving about him at the World Cup. He scored a few goals. He's a centre-arm. Theo, they nearly went out to Cape Verde. They were conceding goals in every game. He was all right, bro. He was all right. I'm his biggest hater, but he was all right. Martinez, I've still got Ruben Diaz. I've never understood it with him. And I've gone with Jed Spence. Jed Spence is becoming overrated. Oh, give off. He's incredible. He was great at the World Cup. He was great at the World Cup, right, for England.

1:44:26Lewis Bowden:But a lot of it was his own mistakes or being out of position and having to sprint back and make mistakes. I don't think you even support England, bro. I do just because I'm I'm mixed about what I watch no DJ Ed's a cult hero and now suddenly people yeah he is and I love him he's great for England do you not I don't think he's rated everyone knows he's overperformed I don't think he's overrated when he said that oh he did well but our perception especially myself my perception of DJ Ed from post tournament to pre tournament to post tournament is so different he earned that but it's world contact

1:44:56Reev:you didn't like he played for Spurs before but now you've seen him in English that you like you sort of love him but that's not necessarily He's been a far better footballer.

1:45:03Lewis Bowden:He's been linked to Manionated and Liverpool. Yeah, I know. Overrated. It's not his fault he's getting linked. Well, it's not his fault he's overrated. I think you're horrible. My midfield. I think he's earned his ratings. Well, you... Kavi Mane has become overrated. Oh, my God.

1:45:21Reev:You hate England. Mate, what's wrong with you?

1:45:24Theo:Are you putting that on the basis that people think he should be starting in the midfield of Telemans, Bruno?

1:45:29Lewis Bowden:like I just think United fans make out like he's the same man he's the saviour of Casemiro I don't see any of that I don't see that didn't play at the World Cup he didn't get a minute and everyone was like if he'd got a minute we could have controlled the game he did play in the Euros and we were shocking most of that tournament he was alright in that though he had good games but I just think I don't know I like Manu sounds it mate I think he's a good player but I think he's been made out it happens all the time with players when they're not playing they become better than what they actually are because they're like oh if we play we'd be great but we have fucking played him when we weren't great I see your argument I don't know if I agree though yeah I don't because I do think he is that good I actually I actually I actually I think he would have been a good sub but maybe depends what sphere you look at although when

1:46:15Theo:I think in the general consensus people would disagree I actually really like him though in the Man United consensus he's really good though I think he's good he's really good though

1:46:23Lewis Bowden:do you think he's going to start for Man United

1:46:24Reev:yes no yes yeah yeah he will

1:46:27Lewis Bowden:under character yeah yeah he will

1:46:29Theo:him, Tielemans, Bruno yeah it'd be that

1:46:31Lewis Bowden:not Andre Santos nope he'd have just spent 50 million on

1:46:34Theo:he's an eight though isn't he is he not just is he not the Tielemans

1:46:37Lewis Bowden:yeah I think it would be Tielemans Andre Santos

1:46:39Reev:it'd be Tielemans, Manu, Bruno and then Andre Santos would be the rotation player I think that as well so I don't think Tielemans maybe has the legs in him what? and Manu has he will do yeah he's young and fit

1:46:49Lewis Bowden:Manu is not athletic at all

1:46:51Reev:no but he'll have the legs in him he'll have the fitness for the season whereas Tielemans is a bit older

1:46:54Lewis Bowden:that's the whole issue we can't be Manu

1:46:55Reev:but I think he will this season and also you've got to forget You've also got Mason Mount, who's the chosen one under Carrick. Good midfield. Is he injured or is he alright? Well, he actually did come off injured. Yeah, he was walking outside the stadium. Next up, we've got McTominay. I'm sick of this. No, I didn't have an issue. McTominay's one of the best midfielders in the world. No, he's joking. We admit that he's got fantastic hair and he's had a big laugh in Italy. Since he's gone to Napoli. You only don't like him now because he's handsome. It's because he's got better curves. That's what it is.

1:47:26Reev:It's the Jude thing. I have a theory about you. I have a great theory about you. Save it for Jude. So the reason you like Morgan Rogers is because, yeah, he's good at football. Yeah, he's from where he's from, but you're better looking at him. But Jude is like, he's got it all. And so you're all like, I hate him. I don't hate Gene Melligan. Yes, you do. I love you. No, you don't. Oh, why did you suddenly love him, Tom? What's the argument? Because he's Jude. Yes, Tom. you're not allowed to switch sides than Jude you chose your fucking side

1:48:00Lewis Bowden:I tripped the hell on that no no you're not allowed to switch you're not allowed to come back you still think

1:48:05Reev:Varad is better that's like me changing my mind on Jokeres no I went so far the other way I'm not allowed you're scared of Mark

1:48:13Lewis Bowden:if Jokeres went and scored 30 goals to Arsenal next season was unbelievable then yeah you should change your mind no but you should know you have to sit and stay in hell it's like you murdered if I go and murder 12 people and I'm like and then I'm like save 2 lives God's like no you're not coming back by the way it's a bit different no it's exactly the fucking thing I think forgiveness is like

1:48:31Theo:quintessential part of that yeah okay so I can murder 12 people no I don't think you should but I think like the whole forgiveness part

1:48:38Lewis Bowden:I think me underrating Jude Meling was a bit different to murdering 12 people the analogy stands you deserve to be in hell because that's the same with me yeah McTominay and then Ezay I'm sick of Ezay just not doing it when it matters well he actually isn't as well he's not as expensive

1:48:54Theo:as you say he is so

1:48:55Lewis Bowden:But a hat trick against Spurs, that's what it matters. It's actually 278 million. That matters against Spurs. I want to see more from Eze this year, and I think he's going to probably play more games. I'm hoping he will. But yeah, I think he's so wishy-washy. I think he's got so much talent. That's what he was at Palace as well, though, isn't it? People were making out, look, he had a really good season last year. He had like three good games. Yeah. Palace fans all felt like that about him. He came on at games for England. They knew he was inconsistent. That's what I'm saying. What do you want to see more of from him?

1:49:22Lewis Bowden:Big moments in big games, like big games like come on and change games like also just more minutes yeah that is I'm probably being harsh because he doesn't get enough minutes probably but I don't know I just think I don't get it with him I'm intrigued this season I think he's his output and his performances don't match his ability he's got more ability than he shows I think

1:49:41Reev:the number 10 role this season's going to be an interesting one especially look at pre-season with Dalman, Wagnieri Eze and Odegaard yeah Sal Odegaard

1:49:48Lewis Bowden:well you're not going to like my front three is it Arsenal's front three I've got Jokeres and Saka yeah Saka Saka Saka's You like him You're sitting in the World Cup about how you need Saka on and all this Yeah because we had Madweki Yeah Madweki Yeah shit But I need more from Saka I know he's had an injury and stuff and I don't even feel I'll ever get back What do you say you need more What's your one What's going on Output

1:50:11Reev:Better output You've been the whole England team What's wrong with you What's going on This was supposed to be World XI It's literally all England It's an England team It is actually England

1:50:21Lewis Bowden:I've got three England players. Well, two, because mainly don't play. Have you got anyone who isn't English and isn't in the Prem? Who's...

1:50:29Theo:Yeah. I'm confused about the Saka rating then, because you came out and said he was the best winger in the Prem. So are you saying you overrated?

1:50:36Lewis Bowden:No, I never said that.

1:50:37Theo:Yeah, you did. You specifically asked if you could change lists mid-episode to accommodate Saka first. Are you contradicting yourself? Wait, wait. You contradicting yourself? You contradicting yourself. When we did top 10 wingers ages ago, I remember this sort of shit. you got to dick yourself you put Saka in like fourth we were like what what's going on and you said no let me change my intro Saka's definitely the best winger in the Premier League

1:51:01Lewis Bowden:apologise yeah at his best no I didn't say that no we're not say that we did not do that you did not say that but anyway Jeffhurst Harry Kane Bukaya Saka no but can I just say about that the wingers in the Premier League in the minute are shite aye aye Yeah, and you're still playing fourth and then moved him off. Exactly. So you're saying you've overrated in the whole aspect of, is he well-classed? Are you? You're overrated then. Is he well-classed? Viral logic. Is he well-classed? Is he star boy? Is he? Yes. He's our star boy. There we go. Gotcha, bitch. You said he's the best. He's the best.

1:51:37Reev:It's like my dog shit. You saw the difference between when Saka play and he doesn't play. Now, Cook, I want to hear this dog shit analogy. There's a reason there's such a big difference. Now, guys, Paul's saying this is... Wait.

1:51:47Theo:Guys, listen, Paul. saying, well, if he's played 90 against fucking France in the third place player, he should have played against Argentina. This isn't a fair argument. You've got to eat him.

1:51:56Lewis Bowden:No, that's not a fair argument because England have no good right wingers other than Saka. I think Saka's a good player. I think he's a great player. But I think people call him world class and say, oh, it's so much different. Let me hear the dog poo analogy. It's like saying, look, my dog does poos, right? Yeah, sometimes. Does poos. Is it going to be That's going to be a better poo Than like a Dalmatians poo Because they're massive Aren't they It's going to be horrible And stinky It's still dog poo What the fuck

1:52:28Reev:Are you on about You just said he's a great footballer And you're comparing him To dog poo Okay Oh it's not even right wingers It's a list about all wingers All wingers

1:52:37Lewis Bowden:All wingers He probably is One of the best wingers In the Premier League But look at the list Click L

1:52:42Theo:It skips 10 seconds Let's see what he says Why don't I win And then he has to move him up Because he just is the best

1:52:53Theo:and he changed his mind yeah

1:52:56Lewis Bowden:because Saka probably is but he hasn't been that he hasn't been that for like a good 18 months now he was poor last season wasn't he do you not agree for his level for what we want look at the numbers he was getting like 2-3 years ago every year I want more I want him to go back to that this is basically this is what I did with Bellingham on making them see this and then they perform So you want to ask us to go back to back then? And then my other one, you're not going to like this. Elise. What? Jesus. I don't like that at all. What are you doing? That is fucking stupid. Name a big, big game he's performed in.

1:53:32Lewis Bowden:I think that's a lot. I think there's big game arguments. In general, he did it at the World Cup. This big game argument is fucking stupid. If you do it the entire season. He was one of the best players. How did he play against Spain? He said he's better than Mbappe. How did he play against Spain? How did France play against Spain? How did Boyan play? How did he play for Boyan? How did Abafé play against Spain? In the big games in the Champions League when they needed him. How did Saliba play against Spain? He went missing. He's had a fucking season there. What? He's had a season. So? Like, how many big games can you play in a season?

1:54:01By the way, you want more for a player

1:54:03Reev:who's got 25 goals and 28 assists from last season. That is stupid. That is stupid. He's had two seasons there. Mate, he's got more GA than games last season. Against who? What do you mean against who? He can only play what he's up against. Club World Cup, Bundesliga.

1:54:19Lewis Bowden:The reason I'm calling him overrated is because of this reaction. Everyone's saying, oh, he's in for the Ballon d 'Or. He's one of the best players in the world. He is one of the best players in the world. Okay, so do it against the best teams in the big moment. I don't think he's in for Ballon d 'Or, but he's still fucking right up. Just explain what more he can do. Turn up against Spain when you need him. The whole team didn't turn up. I know, but the rest of them. Did a pair of players turn up?

1:54:38Theo:Madrid. Players like Mbappe. There you go. There you go. Say that then. I did. Oh, at least a final goal winner against Real Madrid. They're shit Lewis Sticks are the second best team in the world

1:54:49Lewis Bowden:You've been found out I haven't He scored a last minute winner That's a big game In the biggest moments That is the biggest moment No it wasn't How is that not a big moment Last minute winner against Real Madrid Because it wasn't the biggest moment Is that not a big moment Is that not a big moment Seven assists at the World Cup Against shit How is that not a big moment Last minute winner against Real Madrid Two against England Two against England We're not doing that are we you think the third place playoff is a big game you think the third place playoff is a big game I want to see Alise do it against Real Madrid in the last minute in like semi-finals in like big big moments because at the minute all I've seen him do it is when things are going well

1:55:31Reev:he played well against Bayern I don't think maybe right no I'm sorry against PSG I know they lost but he played well he scored I know they lost Kane scored as well and he played shit Come on, you have to admit a quarterfinal against Real Madrid, last minute winner.

1:55:47Lewis Bowden:That is a big moment. Yeah, that's it. I'll give him one then. Well done, you've done it once. But I think the way he's been talked about at the minute, I think he's got the ability to be one of the best players in the world.

1:55:57Reev:He also got the assist against Real Madrid

1:55:58Lewis Bowden:in the first leg as well. But I want to see him... But also, are we really acting? He's having big moments, is he? Are we really acting like that Real Madrid team was like unbelievable last season? Tom, a quarterfinal of the Champions League is a big moment. I wanted to see it in the bigger moments. Atalanta Champions League, 6-1.

1:56:13Reev:scored two it's still Champions League Atalanta a good club I mean how much bigger do you want do you want him doing it in finals only

1:56:17Lewis Bowden:a flat track so players can only

1:56:20Reev:be really good if they do it in a final

1:56:21Lewis Bowden:I just want to see more in the bigger moments against the best team I think you're incredibly harsh no it's not when we're discussing these players I think you're a lunatic I think you're mental you need to be medicated you're mental you're mental absolutely mental Elise has been putting conversations as like the best player in the world I'm not people are putting him in these conversations they are you said he's better than Mbappe They are. But I don't like him Bappe. My point, exactly. I don't like him Bappe.

1:56:47Theo:We've cooked him for that already.

1:56:49Lewis Bowden:If we're going to be discussing him as that, then I want absolutely defining moments against the best of the best. Like what Bappe's got. Like Real Madrid. No, not that. How's that? Not that. Because it's not that. I want to see him do it. How much bigger do you need it? Because I'm... What? Champions League, Real Madrid. Because Bayern weren't ever in danger in those legs. What? We've still got to do it against Real Madrid. Of course. I'm wondering about when backs against the wall where are you?

1:57:15Reev:Can I respond to that? They're that good that they're not in those positions. Can I respond to that? So like the problem is you're sort of like making such a really specific situation like backs against the wall like those situations yeah no but those scenarios Tom like circumstances have to come into fruition for that to even happen you have to initially go behind and have your back against the wall for you to have the opportunity for you to have your opportunity to do that but like so like against Bayern Munich against Real Madrid he had the assist in the first leg he had the final minute winner so because of his actions the backs were never had to be against the wall to be able to come back

1:57:48Lewis Bowden:it's about performances he didn't play well in those games

1:57:51Reev:but against PSG he's a bad example because both attacks were phenomenal it was the defences that got a bit fucked yeah I mean he got what a goal and assist no I wonder about

1:57:59Lewis Bowden:the second leg I think the sun's got to your head yeah I just want if we're going to be talking about him as one of the best players in the world he is well at the minute I think it matters big, big moments it's been a whole thing with Kane like over the years it sticks in my head that he just doesn't have that like gene in the massive moment Do you actually think people are saying

1:58:19Theo:he's Ballon d 'Or contenders People were talking about that during the World Cup yeah

1:58:23Lewis Bowden:When he's having amazing goals and assists against Senegal yeah but when you're playing against the Spanish where are you? It was never in the running for Ballon d 'Or though I think that's just like there's always idiots online I'm not saying I'm just saying 58 GA for last season. 58. But Theo, it's inflated in the Bundesliga. He's inflated in the Champions League.

1:58:45Reev:The Bunda Liga. I didn't say that. The Bunda Liga. He got 11 GA in the Champions League and 13 appearances.

1:58:51Lewis Bowden:Yeah, and half that can be against Atlanta. I'd rather him get half that and then have done it against PSG in the second leg. He did do it against PSG. He's interviewed in the final. Real Madrid. You lot were all saying now, Bayern Munich, we're going to beat PSG. What?

1:59:09Reev:So it's like They almost did They lost by one goal It's a 94th Winner by Harry Kane Who apparently doesn't do In a big moment Again did you watch the game? He still scored A 94th minute winner He was shit Theo He still rocked up When he needed to be

1:59:24Lewis Bowden:He didn't score a winner Against PSG He was the winner They went out

1:59:28Reev:It was the loser It was the equaliser

1:59:29Theo:But he still scored Right Fucking hell That was class In goal I don't is he that good always in conversations of being good but Mike Minan he's shit I actually don't think he's as good as everyone thinks he is objectively we're never talking about

1:59:45Lewis Bowden:Minan like that again

1:59:46Theo:yeah right back

1:59:49Reev:It's Rhys James. I agree.

1:59:52Theo:If you're going to do the whole World Cup thing, picking on people, I didn't see enough of him at that point. It's not the best one back in the world. He'll prove he is this season. I think you'll move to right centre-back, won't you? Pallestra will be right wing back now. I don't care. Well, you're half a Chelsea fan, so you should know this. And half a Spurs fan. And together they make the West Brom. Speaking of Spurs, I've got the centre-back partnership of Romero and Van der Ven. I think they are both heavily overrated I don't think Van Der Ven's overrated Van Der Ven if he's going to be listed as like 120 million you're about to sign Romero oh fuck that I think Van Der Ven's that's actually annoyed me it's coming in no it's not

2:00:29Lewis Bowden:why would that annoy you signing Romero off Spurs that would be clever that's the better one

2:00:33Reev:as much as I hate him I'd fucking have he's a terrible egg he's the captain of Tottenham Hotspur

2:00:38Theo:yeah but on a national level they're still a little bitch I don't care about that we're signing the Spurs captain you're literally you're basically take the Spurs captain

2:00:45Reev:put him on your bed

2:00:46Theo:I was really angry

2:00:47Reev:about signing Sol Campbell there I was also really angry about that one yeah but when the options

2:00:50Theo:of Esri Conte or Romero are there I'd sooner have I'd sooner have a player that would fit the club more so

2:00:56Reev:I don't give a fuck I don't care if we sign Romero and he stays on the bench for the whole season that's the only solution that would be appropriate

2:01:01Theo:oh yeah Van der Venne's not overrated he's quality Van der Venne's overrated mate he's not you've just proved my point he's a centre-back who can play a world-class left-back he's not world-class left-back that right there is enough to give me credit for that left back I've got 8 Norrie yeah like defensively I think he's I don't really rate him heavily so what do people rate 8 Norrie I don't rate him good left back I think he's poo well yeah they thought they thought he was going to go to Manchester City and be like oh my god this guy's up he's not his part Nick O 'Reilly's there exactly he actually pisses me off if he was that good he should be playing ahead of him damn fair enough midfield three I've got Florian Wurz as Lewis mentioned Leon Goretzka just seems like Goretzka Goretzka Bit of a bad egg, really.

2:01:45Theo:I love that guy. And what he did at the World Cup is unforgivable, mate. And he hates his only fan. Yeah, handing it. Fucking balls you. Bottling a penalty and giving it to Jonathan Tata. You know why he bottled it, though, don't you? You know why he bottled it? Because you scared the guy I was going to be. And then finally, Xavi Simmons. Oh, Simon.

2:02:06Reev:Float on his ACL. No, pre-injury.

2:02:10Lewis Bowden:All these lists are just like, all right players. and you're like, fucking have some bollocks. I nearly put Vinny Jr. in. He's getting there. There is a thing around him where it's like, what do you mean?

2:02:22Theo:Javi Simmons was supposed to be signed as the saviour for Spurs. No, he wasn't. 70, 80 million pounds. He was the biggest number thing. He done his ACL. I'm talking about before that point.

2:02:33Lewis Bowden:If people are going to, like Reece Jones, that's a good one. I like that. Because like, yeah, but Javi Simmons, no one's going to act like a world beater.

2:02:41Theo:Right, so they, fuck off Reeve. Right, so there have to be a world beater in order to qualify for this today. Yeah, it's boring. You put Scott fucking McTominay in yours. Fuck off, Reeve. Far from a world beater. Everyone's following him.

2:02:55Lewis Bowden:Oh, he's the Italian, he's the West Bride in Italy.

2:02:56Theo:He's going to do wonders for Scotland. He's wank. Everything that you're saying and applicable to Kobe Mainu is applicable to Xavi Simmonds within Spurs. No, no, why? Yes, it is. No, why? Yes, it is. Not even similar. Rafa Leal at front alongside. Oh, yeah, he's so righted. That's a shit one. Strand Larson and then... Strand Larson! Why is that... No one reads Strand Larson. They do. He's fucking... Now he'll be in shit. 50 million, he's shit now. We were like, thank God we didn't get him because he saw one. Mate, everyone saw him last season

2:03:27Reev:and he's crap.

2:03:28Theo:Yeah, but people still think... No one rates him. No one is not. We had a fucking... He's fucking shit. We do. Now? I don't rate him. Last week we were saying we get rid of NNK because Strand Larson and Mateta are two good strikers up front. I don't think he's that good, though. I was going to say Mateta. What?

2:03:42Reev:He's also overrated.

2:03:44Theo:And then finally, quite obviously, Victor Oshiman.

2:03:47Reev:Oshiman.

2:03:47Lewis Bowden:Nah, you know, I like him a lot.

2:03:50Reev:Why is that, Tom? Because it goes against what I've just said. He plays in Turkey. What?

2:03:56Lewis Bowden:You need to go to Turkey.

2:03:57Reev:Yeah, I do, to be fair.

2:03:58Lewis Bowden:Now, I can't believe no one's signing him.

2:04:00Theo:We know why. Money. Wages. I can't afford him.

2:04:03Reev:Wages.

2:04:03Theo:He pays up, what, 15 % tax in Turkey? In order to carry out... He's on£4 million a week. He's like Hulk. No, I think he's on... £10 million a week. I think he's on 350k a week which in the UK would have to be the equivalent of what 475k he'd be on 475k a week and it runs the world money is power runs your world money is power runs our world

2:04:22Reev:that salad's getting so much money as well well speaking of money here comes the real list in goal remember this is now

2:04:32Lewis Bowden:Almonia

2:04:32Reev:no close Alisson he is now overrated now he's not the same keeper and people say he is everyone knows that No, no, people still think he's the best keeper in the world. When we talk about best keepers, they do.

2:04:44Lewis Bowden:No, they really don't. They do move on to right back. I was going to skip past that, even though I grilled you for every single player you had, but mine, I'm just going to skip back.

2:04:51Reev:Yeah. Rhys James, right back. You just changed that last second. Wait, have you just moved in past Alison?

2:04:57Lewis Bowden:Rhys James isn't a goalie. Everyone knows. Everyone knows Alison has dropped off and he's in the same goal. Nah, people still think he's well better. You do this a lot when you say it again. People, everyone. Who? But who? You.

2:05:10Reev:When we last did the top three goalies in the world. What?

2:05:12Lewis Bowden:That was the best ever Premier League goalie which you also had in the game?

2:05:16Reev:No, no. Top three positions in the Premier League. Anyways, centre-back.

2:05:25Lewis Bowden:Just lie. Just fair-faced lie. Everyone says it. He's like, stand by what I say.

2:05:30Reev:Centre-back, Ruben Diaz and Canate. Left-back. Or really by him, actually. Canate. Yeah, you love him for some reason.

2:05:40Theo:Doesn't somebody owe somebody money for that? Your obsession with him is weird, by the way. It was a bit of Canato bit at some point. About what?

2:05:46Reev:Yeah, I think he owes me 50 quid. Leftback, I think Alvanto Davis might be overrated now. By you? Yeah, literally by you. Maybe by me.

2:05:55Lewis Bowden:I'm sure I'm at the new camp and he's the best thing I've ever seen.

2:05:57Reev:Yeah, I did think that at the time, but... Are you throwing a friend of the show under the box? He is a friend of the show, but... You're a fucking scumbag. You know, what's the best availability? No, that's... Vagility. Oh, my God. What's the best ability? availability. And I know he's back from injury, but is he the same player? Also, the way Canada just kept wanting to pass in the ball, it's not an Alphonso's team. It's Canada. He improved them when he came on. I thought he must have been improved on that. When he came on for the first game, he did massively improve. Right, midfield. I've got Jan Diamonde.

2:06:26Lewis Bowden:I nearly put him in. One good season. One good season. 125 million.

2:06:29Reev:Come off it. Let's have a breather, shall we? Let's just take a chill pill. Is he winging, no? Yeah, he's had one good season. You just said in midfield? Yes, that is a midfield position. I've done four midfielders I'm just asking What's your fucking time son Next midfielder Generally speaking I've got Tonali The other midfielder I've got It's a cross You had him top three Yeah great signing but he's over it Wait what You contradicted yourself

2:07:05Theo:You can't say oh he's so good 100 mils a mate I believe That is mental That is mental You won't do that There's no excuse You even Sorry You even disagreed When he fucking Said to me You got him on your team I'll tell you why

2:07:22Reev:You had him like

2:07:23Lewis Bowden:Number three signing

2:07:24Reev:Yeah That's what I'm saying I didn't disagree You did There's no way You can argue Yeah yeah And you went Here's the reason why He's a great signing For Spurs Absolutely And they definitely need him We're not about that We're not about what he said

2:07:39Lewis Bowden:About you had him Top three

2:07:40Reev:Top three You had him top three transfers Yeah that's what I'm talking about He's a great signing for Spurs Which is a transfer That's what I'm talking about And for Spurs Absolutely But is he on Declan Rice's level Which apparently everyone Was rating him out No one's saying that

2:07:52Lewis Bowden:Stop saying that Stop saying everyone Because not everyone Was saying that Everyone was saying He had a bad season last year Oh my fucking god No his argument For every single Football out of England is Everyone People Everyone

2:08:03Theo:It's a lie It's a fucking lie I've clocked it I listened to how we were speaking about Tonali at the start of the show and he was sowing the seeds of people being like, yeah, you know, he's in the conversations with like this Declan Rice. Just so you can do an hour and a half later, pull this off and say you're correct. That does not make any sense. He's overrated. Literally, no one last season was there. Even I wasn't sitting last season, he was up there with Declan Rice.

2:08:29Lewis Bowden:You're going to have a brain on your wrist. His argument is like people, everyone, and it's just like, it's just not true. It's true. It's true. Paul Scholes, great example. Absolutely fabricated the podcast.

2:08:38Reev:Paul Scholes thought Tenali was better than Declan Rice.

2:08:40Theo:You can't argue about a year ago. How far are we going back?

2:08:43Reev:A year.

2:08:45Theo:So it's not relevant to today then. You started, sorry, hang on. You started your entire squad with, okay, bearing in mind, bearing in mind, guys, you started this squad with bearing in mind, bearing in mind we're doing it right now. I still agree with Paul Scholes. We're doing it right now, which is why Alison is in goal for me. But Tenali is a year and a half ago. I agree now with what Paul Scholes said last year. I can't believe It's not relevant today Is it It's not relevant today The contradiction It's not 100 million

2:09:12Lewis Bowden:Bound player either It's not like He didn't contradict Anyone earlier I didn't contradict I'd both stood by it No I still think Sack is one of the best Wings in the league But he can still Be overrated

2:09:22Reev:I say With Denali I know but you went Mad at me about saying that Yeah because I'm Defending Sack with my life I've got McAllister I don't know why He's still rated I think he's pretty shit To be honest What because he had One bad season Yep and then and then as he hasn't gone well and then got to the

2:09:41Lewis Bowden:World Cup final again did what mate he played well for Argentina in the World Cup fucking niche mate rat

2:09:47Reev:I think you this is directly aimed at you actually Joao Gomez I think he's overrated yeah that stacks with the like your one I reckon you've watched him once that's not true because I've watched the Premier League and then the other my two strikers I've got Mateta I still think he's overrated and up front alongside him I've got Endric Is he the saviour? Is he the second coming? Nobody writes Endric I don't know Mate he's meant to be the future Of Brazilian football No he isn't Who says that? Brazil Again who says that? Brazil How many Brazilians You've talked to He was poo when he came on Fred No like He was called Fred He literally lost Norway the game Honestly He came on and shipped it wide The field big The field big He doesn't play He's on loan at Lyon Yeah but this season He's going to play No he won't Exactly because he's fucking overrated Do you ever say shit?

2:10:36Reev:Yeah, I think he's shit You know your argument Everyone thinks he's shit No, they don't You know your argument What do you mean everyone? Who's everyone? Hendrick's been linked to Villa Who's everyone? Exactly, overrated Who's everyone? Everyone on Twitter No, no, no Lewis, hang on a sec Ask Tom who's everyone I want to die Ask him who's everyone Hi Tom, who's everyone? Don't worry about me I will say that Who's it? Hold on Pop a fucking brain cell for him Go on I will say it When I say everyone and you fucking lose your mind. When he says that, you sit there fucking wanking yourself off

2:11:07Theo:over his haircut. My thinking caps on right now and everything you've just said about Hendrick, you said the reverse for Lewis Skelly when he said it. I love Lewis Skelly. What is the point?

2:11:19Lewis Bowden:It's just all morals go out of the window. Also, by the way, do you want to ask me about this? I reckon everything he's saying about Hendrick right now, about these people say this, he probably said this 18 months ago. Of course.

2:11:31Reev:Same with the Tenari. Well, a great segue that, Tom, because we're about to find that out.

2:11:36Lewis Bowden:So we did this last year. No, we're not. We did this in June. That wouldn't be over 80. We did this in June last year. Do you remember what it is about? We'll start with you, Theo.

2:11:42Theo:I can't believe that's a naughty one, man. That is crazy. That one, honestly. God, no. Everyone said that. People said that. And it's just like, you can't argue back against it because it's just like... That's why people love this show.

2:11:54Reev:I don't know why. You know when you do your list, you should probably take both of these into consideration. All right, let's have a look back. That's the thing that's... Because normally you... Who's everyone? No, because normally you form it from your own opinions.

2:12:06Theo:I can't go over the wheel line. The first sentence he said was, right, just remember guys, we're doing it from right now.

2:12:13Reev:And someone out there overrated Charlie. And all it takes is one person for me to be correct. That is kind of true. Oh, fuck it. Go on, man. What's the last?

2:12:20Lewis Bowden:12 months ago, your goalkeeper was Martinus.

2:12:23Reev:Yeah, it's obviously Martinus, mate. Right, you're back four. Poro's, yeah, he's class, isn't he? Fafana's a good one, though.

2:12:29Lewis Bowden:Poro, Fafana, Martinus, and Ray Lewis. they're fine apart from Poro they're fine I don't think Poro is that bad that's it you're midfield

2:12:35Theo:he'd do a World Cup though wouldn't he that's why he could be overrated though Nunes converting back to right back Sancho

2:12:41Reev:what the fuck this is class for audio listeners I've had Martinez in goal Poro Fafana Martinez at centre half Rico Lewis Basuma Nunes and Sancho familiar name returns Andrew

2:12:58Lewis Bowden:he's not done anything

2:12:59Reev:Joel Felix and Calvert-Lewin. So he's still over here. You thought Calvert-Lewin was over here.

2:13:04Lewis Bowden:Calvert-Lewin, right? You wanted him in the England team?

2:13:06Reev:No, I didn't. I wanted Danny Welbeck in the England team. He wanted him in the England team. Danny Welbeck's better than Calvert-Lewin. No. Nah. Why does one play for Chelsea then? Yeah, true.

2:13:16Lewis Bowden:Very true. That's a good list. Yeah, nice. I've seen worse ones. Yeah, but again, at that time, was anyone writing Sancho? I weren't. Surely this was pre-Calvert-Lewin. This is actually

2:13:28Theo:Calvert-Lewis before he even played well.

2:13:31Lewis Bowden:When no one rated him. Yes, actually. You just picked shit players. Oh, this is good. He said he was overrated and then he went on

2:13:39Theo:to go on his best form. Rico Lewis playing week in, week out of Man City. I remember this Calvert-Lewis being a howler at the time and being like, nobody raised him. Every club under the summer going in for him. You called him overrated

2:13:51Reev:and he went on to score 15 goals. Correct with Jael Felix, ended up in fucking Saudi.

2:13:55Lewis Bowden:No one was rating him, though.

2:13:56Reev:Yeah, everyone rakes Yael Felix, mate. Somehow it's always in the Portuguese team. Oh, wow.

2:14:02Lewis Bowden:So's Ronaldo. Right. Didn't put him in. This is also Felix who just had a fear-loan spell at Milan and was on his way to Saudi.

2:14:09Reev:He wasn't linked to Saudi at the time.

2:14:11Lewis Bowden:It's a bit like Fabio Silva when you said that. You're shit at these.

2:14:14Reev:By the way, that's a good listen to him. He fucking popped up with his memory. Yeah, he really gaslit. He fucking ruined it. I have a feeling this is the best one, though. Fucking Dumbo, mate. What you got here?

2:14:25Theo:Dumbo? What, the elephant? Rain, man. In goal, Emi Martinez

2:14:28Reev:I see, it's so boring

2:14:29Theo:Yeah, at least I changed You had Martinez No, but I didn't pick him this year You had Martinez I switched up You just had Martinez Yeah, you did not this year On this one there Oh my God You're back four Back four Carvajal, Deleuze, Ippamacano And Ferland Mendy It's not bad Great list, Reeve Thank you

2:14:46Reev:Why Carvajal? Hey, he's back Florian Virts

2:14:51Theo:Enzo and then Joe Felix I like this Wait, so you put You know with I like this No, but he had a good season No, I think Enzo's good

2:14:57Reev:Wait, so

2:14:58Lewis Bowden:He had a good season last year as well

2:14:59Reev:And a good one

2:15:00Lewis Bowden:Season before No, no, no I'm confused

2:15:02Reev:I'm confused by the Verts though He's a fucking prick Did you not say you think Verts would be like Player of the Season No, I was completely against it Yeah, because I called you out For all putting in

2:15:10Theo:Player of the Season

2:15:10Reev:Good shout

2:15:12Theo:Enzo's brilliant Which isn't great either It doesn't even work Yeah, I'm liking it And then a front three Of Doku, Oshimane And Rafa Liao I like two of them What Doku I've kept consistency Doku didn't do good hasn't aged well, but... No. But at the time... No. Nazi man, Nazi man. Yeah, it's about how they aged. The other ones, that's actually quite good. He's always linked to the biggest clubs in the world, I guess. That never goes there. He's too rich in Turkey. Tom. Too much money. Oh, he was in this one.

2:15:41Lewis Bowden:Moynes in goal. Ha ha ha. Back four. Frimpong. Yeah, I like that. Delic Diaz-Davies. I see, agree. It's good. In the field. Erdogan.

2:15:51Theo:Oh, fuck. You hate them both. Because they're both good-looking. That begs your point. It's because they're both handsome, isn't it? He put Jobe and Jude.

2:16:01Lewis Bowden:I stand by Jobe. 100%. That's good. But other than Jude, that's a good... Jude makes yours absolutely one out of ten just on his own. Also, Odegaard had a good World Cup. So that's Odegaard and both Ballin and Brothers for those in the audience. Look how bad that looks. It looks like pure agenda. Mate, you don't like them. They're putting both the big and little brother in.

2:16:23Theo:that's making it that's making it personal Joby's shit he starts with Dortmund

2:16:29Lewis Bowden:he's coming out but Jude he started bringing his bubble into his I just don't know about the family he plays like every game for Dortmund they used to egg my house bring their family into it man right and up front I've got got Nacho Isaac and Liao I like that I like that oh then Jude Lewis I wouldn't be laughing too much oh well I don't imagine mine's good they never age as well yeah you had me worried that's fucking good that is actually aged very well it has now the Bellingham one

2:16:57Theo:when was this done so this was June last year so did we have Isaac no no he was leaving he was leaving this was under the well I might I might deny you know when you said Keith knew everything and then just knew nothing Keith knows what he's on let's see it then clean sweep for Martinez Martinez I've got Rhys James very good Robert Mankano Diaz and Trent left back. That, by the way, that's good. Trent's not overrated. He's like one of the best fullbacks in the world. Overrated. Can't even get an every other joke. Here comes the downfall.

2:17:35Lewis Bowden:Nice time by that. Bruno Fernandes, Foden and Yamal. The best player in the world. Lamin, Yamal's a crazy shot, mate. Foden's good. It's just a year after his Euro... I forgot you said Lamin, Yamal. Yeah, it's in the gap. It's in the two-year gap, isn't it? Just after, you know, remember the semi-final against Inter when he was just incredible. what made you put your mouth the argument was it was like he's the best player in the world but like he's not people acting like there's still no his argument was there's still height above it he has people are saying he's going to have a better career than Messi nobody's saying that no wait did you say everyone is saying he's going to have a better career that wasn't my argument who's everyone and who's people that wasn't my argument who is it answers answer me boy that's not my argument I told you my argument then you listened to him no your argument was my argument was he's the best player in the world but it's about it's about getting that distance and you were saying people were comparing him to Messi you did say that I remember this conversation but the comparison was fair because of his age and Barcelona I remember I remember last asking you

2:18:31Theo:who the best player in the world was you said your mom we were like how the fuck can he be overrated because there's still levels who's people again you need to who people there was levels between like being the best player in the world you can be Messi and your mom were both best players in the world at a certain point but Messi was way up here but nobody said that I was on about the Sparrowman but in fairness Yamal listened to this and then he went on and won the World Cup Bruno's a bad one too Bruno's a bad one too Bruno's a bad one yeah that's good I mean we watched the Premier League yeah he went on to have like a really good season yeah it's really bad basically the most important from three of

2:19:09Lewis Bowden:let's find out Ronaldo

2:19:12Reev:how's Ronaldo I like it ready that's good Harlan oh my

2:19:19Lewis Bowden:That is the worst list ever. Is that real? Harland and the Van Bay. No, keep on going, bro.

2:19:28Theo:Are you fucking... Were you on spice? You basically just picked the four best players in the world. Did I understand the brief? Bruno, let's play the Premier League. Have you looked at the... Was this like a best 11 team?

2:19:39Reev:Was it player of the season, Bruno Fernandes? You picked the two best players in that league and then the two best players in the Premier League. Yamal. And one of the greatest players of all time. And it's Harland. And Cristiano Ronaldo who's been playing inside the rim for two years. He is one of the greatest footballers of all time. Oh, he's not in top five, mate. Hey.

2:19:56Theo:Right, now you're just being a... Ronaldo? Yes. He's doubling down. Yeah, this is crazy.

2:20:02Lewis Bowden:What about Haaland and Mappe? What happened then? Don't know. I think this is because you were putting Isaac ahead of Haaland. Yeah, Isaac wasn't gone yet or anything like that. No, he wasn't gone. He was in the process of trying to leave, wasn't he? I think that's why I put Isaac in the game. No, no, because if Isaac was on strike, I wouldn't be doing Haaland. Ah. So it turned out yet again a year later I was right and you were wrong. Do you think your Mbappé agenda will end at some point? No. Alright. No I don't like him. Do you still think he's probably the best final one? No he's like just a fucking French try.

2:20:31Is it because

2:20:31Reev:he just bummed you? Is that why? He did nothing against us. He was really he was actually he's infamously So what's your agenda? You realise PSG's never beat us. But what is your agenda? No but you're like is it because he bummed you? He's like didn't play well they've never beaten us. So what's your agenda then? It's actually we bummed them 4-1. If you played now do you reckon you'd win? Huh? If you played now do you reckon you'd win? Well the history would suggest yes. More likely well they've never beat us. Would you beat Real Madrid? I don't know. But what is your agenda? I don't get your agenda against him.

2:21:03Reev:Don't think he's very good. I can't be sure. You don't think Mbappe

2:21:06Theo:is very good. I think he's a fucking he's like a French trior. That is so crazy. A bit quick. He's a bit quick. That's all he's got. Just brilliant at every department. One of the most skillful players of all time. One of the most skillful players of all time. Yes, skillful. That's not true, Theo. No, Theo, you've lost your own. Again, that argument is so bad. I think he is. There's so many things you can say about Mbappe. His footwork is rapid. You can't just say one of the most skillful players of all time. Not in terms of flip-flaps and stuff. He's not top 20? Hmm. Top 20 skillful players of all time.

2:21:40Mbappe is not there. Okay, maybe skillful is the wrong word,

2:21:42Reev:but his dribbling ability and the way he goes around keepers is something to be old. Do you remember the disallowed goal he scored? Do you remember the disallowed goal he scored? You just say this because you shared a taxi with him? That's more than that. But that sounds weird. Now, good list, mate. I like that. At least you've come a long way. Well, guys, shows that we've improved in life and you should improve as well. So make sure you go out there and be the best version of yourself every day because every life is a gift and every day is another day.

2:22:11Lewis Bowden:Thanks for tuning in. Like, subscribe. Right, it's five stars. Goodbye.