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9:43Lewis Bowden:they just got to legitimise the Club World Cup in some way yeah I don't think it's insane to say Parma is that good is it still voted with the captain of each country and a journalist is that right I don't know I feel like they have changed it

9:59Reev:or they're going to change it was it Yubakistan guy who said when you know when Leviton City didn't win it it was because there was one vote not for him and it was because he didn't have enough pace on FIFA. No, Lewandowski didn't win it

10:08Lewis Bowden:because they cancelled it that year. I think you've got that mixed up. There is something like that. No, Google it. The year he should have won it, they cancelled it.

10:15Reev:No, no, no, no, no. I know that. Pretty sure. Cancelled what? The Ballon. Yeah, because of COVID. Lewandowski would have won it. Oh, that is such an obvious one. Thogden had a vote for a while, didn't he? No, no, no, no. He got clickbaited. Clickbaited. He did.

10:28Lewis Bowden:No, for Gibraltar. Yeah, someone like that. Yeah. The journalist was like a massive Dogden fan. Just calm down. Just calm down. Oh, it's fake. It's fake. It's fake. I've been clickbaited. You've actually been clickbaited. Should we do our work?

10:41Reev:Quite a funny message. He wasn't fast enough and he doesn't do skills in real life. Also, he hasn't won anything with Germany. Has anyone shocked Theo Fell for that? Hey, there's a lot you've fallen for recently. But we are here to right the wrong and we are here to do our Ballon d 'Or top 10. the 10 best footballers in the world where's Lewis gone get in my notes it is right now though I feel like right now yeah so obviously the Ballon d 'Or is based off the 24-25 season we're basing off right now instantaneously this is actually extremely anxiety inducing this list because people are going to get rattled by it you know you can't be wrong though because it's your opinion that's true actually oh no but we have the right answers I'll go we always have the no no you go last you have the right answers I always go last no because you have the right answers you're all correct and then we know then we all get to see how many we get the same as you.

11:29If he goes now,

11:30Reev:we can compare how many we get right. Okay.

11:32Lewis Bowden:Well, I can quickly change my list.

11:33Reev:Go on, Tom, in 10.

11:34Lewis Bowden:You're not going to like my list. In 10th, I've got Cole Palmer. Right now? Yes. What? I don't even remember. I think he's the 10th best fan in the world. That's what we do. I don't think that's insane. I don't care if he's injured. I think he's the 10th best fan in the world. 9th, I've got Van Dijk. 8th, Erling Haaland. That's also low. 7th, Harry Kane. 6th. You're not going to believe this guy. is Mo Salah's in sixth. Oh, wow. No, no, no. Salah above Harland? I think so, yeah. No, Tom, Tom. I still think Salah's the best player. No, hang on a second. He's now going against everything

12:06Reev:he's ever said for the past four years.

12:08Lewis Bowden:It does confuse me. No, this is, I'm confused. I genuinely actually don't know what his stance on Salah is. I don't get what you're saying now. I don't enjoy watching Mo Salah play football. I don't think Salah is as good as... You literally call him overrated. So how can you not put him sixth best in the world? People compare him as like one of the best wingers ever. I think that's passively. Well, if you're sick best in the world... But I still think right now he's the best player in the Premier League. I don't believe you. You believe that. I really do. I think Salah's the best player in the Premier League.

12:31Who's better than him? Ireland. Well, yeah, we'll get on to that. But anyway. Fierce, I've got Pedri. I'll get rid of this. Oh, shit.

12:38Lewis Bowden:No, I'm talking shit. I've got a Premier League player above him. Oh, my God. Oh, my fucking God. Is he... What the fuck is he actually... What the fuck is he actually talking about? Right. So, he just went and said, I think he's the best player in the Premier League, as if we're idiots and then he goes to name a fucking Premier League player that he's written down on his list above him?

12:56Reev:You're finally seeing the truth guys.

12:58Lewis Bowden:Fifth I got Pedri. Fourth I got Dembele. Third I got Rodri. Rodri?

13:04Reev:Shut mate. What are you living about last year? We're not in 2023, 2024 anymore. Rodri is not the third best player in the world right now. Tom. Tom. You can't do that. You can't do that. You're wrong. You're straight up wrong. Second Rodri a few weeks ago as well. He's the most flip-flopping guy I've ever met. I said he hasn't been good since he's come back. Rodri's the third best player in the world right now. He's been bad since he's come back. Yeah, exactly. And he didn't play last season. He's still the third best player in the world. He's played four games in about a year. Can I finish? No, he's wrong.

13:34Reev:I swear to God, if we said this shit. If we said this shit. Rodri was not even in my thinking for the top 10. Second, I've got Mbappe.

13:41Lewis Bowden:And first, I've got Luminium. Yeah, first.

13:43Reev:But what you've just said there is blasphomic.

13:46Lewis Bowden:Blasphomic? I think Rodri is still the best manfielder in the world.

13:50Reev:You're just clip farming for Twitter now. You think, oh, look at me. All these lick-ars as well won. Nobody's going to agree with that. Exactly. Clip farming. That's the whole point. But how can you say so passionately that Sal is the best player in the Premier League and then immediate name Rodri is the best player? Because I forgot about Rodri. I know, but then... Yeah, but you forgot about him because he doesn't play football.

14:06Lewis Bowden:But you so passionately say that Sal is the best. Yeah, because I thought he was top of my Premier League list.

14:10Reev:But you forgot about Rodri, Tom, because he basically doesn't exist in the last year. Exactly. So how can he be the third best player in the world? because he was second. Is he better than Harry Kane?

14:19Lewis Bowden:It's hard to compare, isn't it?

14:20Reev:No, no, no. Is he better than Harry Kane right now?

14:22Lewis Bowden:I mean...

14:23Reev:No, it's simple yes or no. It's not simple. You're asking me to... Is Rodri better than Harry Kane right now? You're asking me to compare

14:28Lewis Bowden:a holding midfielder to a striker. It's very hard.

14:31Reev:Is Rodri better than Pedri? I still think he is, yeah. Right now, you think he's better than Pedri?

14:38Lewis Bowden:I'd write this second. I'd take Pedri in my team. So there you go. No, no, no, no. He's smiling. What the fuck? because Rodri right now who's better Rodri or Gravenberg Rodri's not back to his best he might never get there

14:50Reev:that's our point the whole point is now you know what let's do the Ballon d 'Or from 2023 guys this is the Ballon d 'Or this bit you're giving the Ballon d 'Or imagine they named Rodri third yesterday guys we're going to be rating our top 10 players in the world from 2005 I'm going to have Henri number one here you do it

15:07Lewis Bowden:I don't think Rodri is like fully fit like I don't think he's fully back to himself so how can he be the third best player in the world right now Right now. I'm not basing it on who's... Cole Palmer's currently injured. Exactly. But he's 10th. He's played in the past year.

15:21Reev:At least he's played. Roger hasn't played football. Roger's played this season. He's played four football matches. And he's been shit. So the only football games you've seen him play in recent history, he's been shit. And you literally say he's not the same... If you make it a bad dollar,

15:31Lewis Bowden:he's not in the third place. Based on four games. People said the same when Van Dyke first came back.

15:36Reev:Okay, fine. We'll bring that up later when we discuss. If you're only basing on four games, Tom, we're allowed to base things on four games. But even when it's about certain other clubs, We're not allowed to The four games he's Bearsnit on though He admits he hasn't been good

15:46Lewis Bowden:You can base it on Whatever you want I currently think Roger is still the Third best player in the world That's it

15:51Reev:He's stunk up the gaff This season

15:52Lewis Bowden:Yeah he's had a bad season Yeah so

15:54Reev:Okay hang on So you're basing I don't base my opinion On footballers No no Four games No Tom But hang on a second He's had a bad season so far And he had no season last year So You're basing it off 2023

16:06Lewis Bowden:He's had a bad start to the season I still think he's the Second best striker I still think he's the

16:10Reev:Second best striker

16:11Lewis Bowden:In the league Yeah but he's still played a lot last year.

16:13Reev:So did Rodri. You're basing your list last 2023. Rodri didn't play last year. Yes, he did. Barely missed. Oh, come on. Barely missed.

16:21Lewis Bowden:So, I think he's the best player in the world when he's fully back in the world. But you just said you take Pedri over him. On form? I don't think Pedri's better than him. It's really not that hard to understand. I trust me, it is. It really is. You've also just argued

16:35Reev:that Salah's better than him. We're making an old

16:39Lewis Bowden:top 10 ballon dollars. See, this is why I was anxious about doing this. I've done my top 10 best players in the world, not my Ballon d 'Or list. It's just so subjective, isn't it? Because Ballon d 'Or, I don't agree with how we vote it. Guys, calm down. It's just football.

16:52Reev:It is just football. Guys, calm down. That's fucking mental. Was he even in top 30? Probably not. He didn't play. He can't be in the top 30, he can't play. He wouldn't be because people voted on the season.

17:01Lewis Bowden:I based it on my top 10 best footballers in the world. Lom Laris. Done. That's fucking crazy. That was really insane.

17:08Reev:That might be the worst list you've ever done. soon into the ep as well. Lom Laridge for themselves. Also, Salah in sixth after his crazy agenda. So, Rodri was third. At home, the flip-flopper.

17:16Lewis Bowden:Rodri was third. When he's fully fit, he'll be second again. He won't be. I think he will be. Wow, that was really intense. I don't know how we...

17:27Reev:Well, it's only up from him. Go on. I bloody hope so. The thing is, what we've done is we've angered him. So, like, he's got his missiles locked on us now. At the beginning of this, yeah, I said you can't be wrong with an opinion. But that's wrong. Yeah, no, that is right. It's subjectively wrong. First list, it went absolutely wrong. Not only is he wrong, he massively contradicted himself during Reid and his own list. Yeah. But remember, Salah is also the best player in the Premier League. Except for Rodri.

17:54Lewis Bowden:When Rodri doesn't play... When Rodri's injured, he's the best player in the league.

17:58Reev:Oh, fucking hook line a stinker, mate. Go on, Oli. I'm actually really scared. No, you'll do great. Don't be scared, mate. Adam Warren in 10. Yeah. Never be scared. In 10, I've got... I'm tempted Jude Bellium 10th Any issues with that? 9th I've got It's just really stressful 9th I've got Rafinha 9th? Yeah 9th 8th Kane Did you even have Rafinha in the top 10? Rewind You didn't have Rafinha in the top 10 You had a great year You had a great year You can't argue with the numbers from last year You just can't I'm struggling So like You had a great year But what? Is that not qualifying For this list then?

18:43Lewis Bowden:No because You're really struggling To understand I feel like you're struggling To understand Because all of us Have done the list the same Except from you I've told you I've done my top 10 Best sub-mums in the world That's what I've done That's my By the way We're doing a ball and all this Shuno Rafinha

18:55Reev:Like deserves to be in the top 10 Based on last season Yeah probably And this season Okay then

19:01Lewis Bowden:So let's just do the 10 That's on here No That's not what we're doing We don't agree that That's correct Right so But is Vitinha in your list? No. No, so you don't agree. But Vitinha was one of the best midfielders in the world last season. I know he was. Doesn't get into my list. Right now. I'm looking at it right now, yeah. Oh, it's crazy. But I think we all have... I think all of us have Rafinha. He's trying to gaslight it. I was like, we're all aligned here. I'm not trying to gaslight you at all. Vitinha was arguably the best midfielder in Europe last season, right? He can have 12th or 13th if he wants.

19:28Lewis Bowden:So, that's exactly my point about Rafinha. I think there's much better players than him. That's pretty simple. Like Roger, you haven't been playing football? Yes. Okay. This makes sense.

19:39Reev:It's really not that difficult. It is a little bit. Wait, who's the better right winger right now? Salah or Rafinha?

19:45Lewis Bowden:Salah? Yeah. Yeah. Which brings me on to number seven. Go on. Salah. Go on. Number six, Van Dijk. I've got Dembele five, which made me feel a bit low because then we did just win the Ballon d 'Or. Four, Pedri. Three, Jamal. 2 Haaland 1 Mbappe Haaland's second yeah mate he's just a joke he is a joke he's a joke I don't

20:11Reev:disagree with that I understand from like his output but honourable mention to Lisa and Saka oh actually I'd argue I think wait honourable mention for who? Lisa and Saka they're joined at 11 yeah come on I think Haaland is when it comes to Van Andorre it's criminally underrated I think yeah I agree his level of consistency for his output is actually we haven't seen that for a long, long time in terms of like how long he's been doing for five, six seasons getting this level of goals for Dortmund and City. I know he gets like criticised for being clunky or whatever but there aren't many other players in the brand when you watch them and you're just like how do you even stop them?

20:45Reev:He's also argued one of the fastest strikers out there as well when he gets going he can't be caught. He's cleaner than people give him credit. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And he's less than it. Like when he went through against Arsenal the other day it was like he's just he's 100 % going to score there's just no doubt he's going to score which is very hard to do. I agree. Hot take. Haaland's pretty fucking good. He's pretty good at finishing. Yamal should be first. Yeah. Who's your first, sorry? Mbappe. Right now, I don't know. I think he's just started the season. Yeah. Red hot. Red hot form. What's your top three, pardon?

21:15Sorry. It was three, Yamal, two, Haaland, one, Mbappe. Three, Yamal? I think we're in for an Mbappe, Haaland, neck and neck, Ballon d 'Or race. Finally. Do you think Yamal's going to be in there as well, though?

21:26Reev:I think he'll be in and around it. Yamaha will win it this year. Got to be careful here because I've poked the bear in 10th. You got to have a mate? I've gone harling. Yeah, I love that shout, Lou. Thank you. Love that shout. Thank you. Compared to number two. I agree. I agree, Tensile. I don't think, I've said this for a while, he's always going to be amongst it. I don't think he'll ever win the Ballon d 'Or. Your hair's looking thick today, by the way. It is, actually. Jeez, Theo. Wait, I think he came second like a couple years ago. I know, but if I'm doing a Ballon d 'Or list, I mean, Is he the best striker in the world, Harland?

22:02I don't think so I think he is I think he is You think he's better than Kieran? Yeah I mean, if I'm putting all my bias aside I still think Izak's better than him I think he's like So I think he's probably like So is Izak in the list? No Oh, that's weird

22:18Reev:Okay, hang on a second Hang on, rewind You can't think Izak's better And then not put Izak in the list The key thing you said that was If I put my bias aside In this list I have my bias Involved Bias is not a side Harland 10 9th Rafinha 8th I've got Pedri 7th Cole Palmer I like Cole Palmer man He's also Won the World Cup Club World Cup Won the World Cup Club World Cup He won the Club World Cup I don't think he's better than Pedri Cole Palmer is not better than Pedri and Harland He's a world champion So So is Malo Gusto World champion Hey Hey, don't disrespect Malagusta like that. Why? You like Malagusta?

22:59Reev:He's going to be in my team of the season. He's team of the season this year when he gets in above Rhys James. He was honking the weekend on him. Yeah. Hey. Sorry. Sorry. Watch it. Watch how you speak about him. Malo. Sixth, I've got Van Dijk. Fifth, you might not like this one. Mbappe. I've got him a bit lower. I think that's very low. Where did you have Mbappe? Second. Yeah. Because I have... Intelligence. Fourth above him, Harry Kane. I think he's overlooked because he's out in Germany, but that guy, he just is so fucking clear. He's not overlooked. You haven't watched him play a game of football for two years.

23:31Reev:He's also not overlooked. Everyone knows Harry Kane's... He scored like 50 goals this season. That's our joke. Yeah. That's come on. He gets a hat-trick every weekend at the moment.

23:40Lewis Bowden:So are Werner's in the Bundesliga. Eight goals already this season.

23:43Reev:Ultimately, he's the best striker in the world, in my opinion. I think Haaland is, but I think Kane is second.

23:48Lewis Bowden:Now Mbappe is in it.

23:49Reev:Okay, now Mbappe is. I think Kane's the best striker in the world. Third, Salah. Second, Dembele. First, Jamal What's wrong with Salah? You like Salah? That's crazy Salah You like Salah? Come on See it He's had a reeky season I don't need to say He is stinking it out Even though his output's been good Guys, he might be washed He's just finally slowing down He's not washed He's finally hit 33 Father time catches up with everyone A wise man once said that You are the wise man On occasion, not today I copied the same Roderick Dirt. Right, we'll hear you.

24:28Lewis Bowden:Fucking hell.

24:29Reev:Jesus. Who would have thought that I'm about to provide the correct answer? Okay. 10th. Chris MD. No, Gravenbertsch in 10. In nine, I got Salah. What's wrong with that? Look, look at me.

24:45Lewis Bowden:I'm laughing because he started laughing first. I don't even think

24:49Reev:that's that bad shout. He's quite literally. It's Tom's reaction. Okay, let me see. what's the best what is the best league in the world the Premier League who's the best midfielder in the Premier League right now Gravenberg so are you judging are you going to say he judged his off four games so you're going to say you're judging yours off these I thought he was fantastic he said that you he has been a giant I don't get the disrespect on Gravenberg I'm not disrespect don't look at me he's crying with laughing all I can see is his head I can't even see his face it's just his hat bopping up and down he's like that's not crazy 9 Salah 8 Van Dalen Dyke.

25:24Reev:Three Liverpool players in a row. Wow, yeah. Seven, Harry Kane. Six, Erling Haaland. Fifth, Rafinha. Fourth, Pedri. Third, Dembele. Second, Mbappe. Number one, you're out. You think Rafinha's better than Harry Kane? I think, yeah. Oh, Theo. He had a way better season last season as well. Theo, come on. Wait, why are you disrespecting Rafinha like that? I'm not disrespecting Rafinha. Harry Kane is a better footballer than Rafinha. Come on. You could argue that, but I think if you based off last season, I think if you look at last season, Rafinha did have the better season. Yeah, his season last year was.

26:04Do you know what I mean? I don't think that,

26:06Reev:I think if you're trying to nitpick this thing, that's not the one to nitpick. That's not nitpicking. No. That's not nitpicking. You're going after an empty tree here. No. All right. Is that a phrase? No. No. It never has been, actually. It does work though, doesn't it? You understood what I was saying there. What is an empty tree? It doesn't make sense. You're going after nothing. You may as well go after a tree, not an empty tree. So you're shooting at the wrong hole. What's an empty tree? You're shooting at the wrong hole. He just said you're shooting at the wrong hole. What does that mean?

26:38Lewis Bowden:I don't understand what an empty tree is. I don't mean what a wrong hole is. Why am I shooting at a hole? A hole would be so pointless to shoot at because it would go through. what do you mean we talk to Frank makes you think though no yeah it makes you think it makes me think

26:54Reev:you're mental you understood what I was saying that's the best list by far yeah well done mate you win you win mate well done let him have it Tom come on he's holding back now

27:03Lewis Bowden:give him both barrels I don't really care enough so when he's wrong

27:08Reev:he says he don't care anymore when he knows he's a distinct he doesn't care

27:12Lewis Bowden:we obviously disagree with each other's list but you've just completely contradicted everything you've said Where's Vitina in your list then? You said everything's about last season. No one had Vitina in their top 10.

27:20Reev:I'm not saying everything's about last season, Tom. If you listen to any word that I said, I say debates of last season and this season. That's why Gravin Birch is in there. Why is Vitina not then? I haven't seen much of him recently. Did anyone have any PSG player apart from Dembele? I'm just a bystander. Did anyone have any PSG players other than Dembele in their top 10? No. I would have loved to have Dwey in, but I don't think he's quite there yet. I do like Nuno Mendes and Hakimi being in the top 10 though, because I think defenders do get over. Yeah, I thought Nuno Mendes is real. Nuno Mendes is the best left back in the world and Hakimi is the best right back in the world.

27:54Reev:Would you argue? No. I think that's probably fair. So I think you could say they deserve that. Yeah, 100%. And Donnarumma got voted the best goalie in the world. I really like Donnarumma. He does look like another class. Yeah, in the Champions League last year, he was a joke. I just hate it. I want to know your guys' Ballon d 'Or lists for the best players in the world. and would you include Rodri right now in your list that's an interesting hot take actually over there let's all vote for who's had the best list I vote for myself I think I did I think I did probably Tom doesn't even vote for himself Tom if you had to choose out of us three who would you choose not Oli I can't really remember

28:35Lewis Bowden:the list because Oli's is definitely the winner

28:37Reev:let's name our top five Pedri Dembele Mbappe Yamal we probably have the same top five

28:41Lewis Bowden:it's definitely not yours because you haven't got Yamal first what's your name Mbappe

28:45Reev:Yamal Mbappe Dembele Pedri Rafinha Yamal Dembele Saleh Saleh Saleh Mbappe I think there is better than that as well But he has Gravenberchen

28:56Lewis Bowden:I don't get what's crazy about that Oh there it is No it's because Your basis for putting him in Doesn't make sense If you're not putting Vitinha in That's all You're going after the wrong trio Yeah mate You're going after That was actually quite a fair point That he said Why are you looking at me

29:13Reev:Gravenberchen had a great season Last year And this season he's had a better season than Vitinha this year how do you know that? how do you know he hasn't?

29:21Lewis Bowden:I'm not saying there you go then I'm not arguing either way I'm not arguing either way you've just said he's had a better season than Vitinha Theo, moments ago you said you haven't seen much of Vitinha that's why he's not on your list but then you just said Gravenberg has had a better season

29:33Reev:I have faced my bet

29:34Lewis Bowden:here you go again shagging stats and fucking fuck mob ratings you haven't watched him play the problem is that you made the claim that he's had a better season so then you have to I haven't claimed either way you won't have to have seen the ball the reason why I said that

29:47Reev:because I've watched Gravenbatch and I would say that I don't think it would be very if he has had a better season than Gravenbatch this season we've played four games

29:56Lewis Bowden:four games and you've got

29:58Reev:Rod Reid fucking third and second so there you go then so there you go so you're literally battling against yourself now

30:02Lewis Bowden:you're nitpicking to try and deflect from your stupidity you can't say four games and then include Rod Reid you know what I mean

30:09Reev:this doesn't make any sense you're concentrating yourself though and so are you how? because you're bringing up the four game things but you've got Rodri in.

30:15Lewis Bowden:I'm not bringing... What are you on about? You've literally just pulled out. I'm comparing last season. Who had a better season, Vitinha or Gravenberge?

30:22Reev:Last season, Vitinha.

30:24Lewis Bowden:There you go then. So he should be on the list. And I'm looking at this season,

30:26Reev:I'm just looking how Gravenberge is playing. You haven't watched him play this season.

30:29Lewis Bowden:What are you on about? Gravenberge, I have. No, Vitinha, you haven't watched him play once. How about the Club World Cup? Have you got him in your top 10? No, but I'm not. What are you on about? It's like a really fun game of Vitinha.

30:38Reev:I've just put the best Premier League midfielder in My list That's just not true By the way But Who's a better Premier League midfielder

30:45Lewis Bowden:Kaisado's better than him And Rodgers better than him Gravendor's actually Playing way better Oh my fucking god I'm going to Kill myself

30:51Reev:Wait hang on Go on go on Wait do you You agree with that Gravendor's He's been brilliant

30:56Lewis Bowden:This season yeah We've played Five games So what's so

30:59Reev:Blasphomic That I've just said That you had to React like this

31:02Lewis Bowden:Oh my god Gravendor Oh Kaisado's Vittinia Vittinia was quite Obviously the best Midfielder in the world Last year when he Based on like the Champions League season then the Club World Cup.

31:12Reev:But I'm saying that's not also that's irrelevant. So you put Gravenberch in over five games this season? No hang on a second no we weren't even talking about that just now we were talking about Gravenberch and Caicedo.

31:22Lewis Bowden:Oh my God am I going mad here? All I said was you well Gravenberch is the best midfielder in the league. I said well I don't think he is because I still think Rodgers is better than him I still think Caicedo is. But that's besides the point of Gravenberch versus Vitinha based on your list.

31:34Reev:When I said Gravenberch is the best midfielder in Premier League you went oh my God. I actually didn't

31:40Lewis Bowden:I went oh my god you can check that I've been on

31:43Reev:hand went on his head VAR check

31:46Lewis Bowden:all it is you've completely contradicted your journalist I'm happy with that I'll happily move on I love this show it was so fun that was good fun I'll just get a sit

31:55Reev:in the middle and watch the game of tennis normally you're part of that game of tennis can I say though Granberg's argument depends how big of a sample size you're taking in terms of games if you want to go only this season then that's fair enough but it's quite a small sample size to make a decision in it. Like, oh yeah, sorry, you're wrong. Thank you. There we go. Let us know your list in the comments down below, guys. I'm sure everyone will agree with everyone and there'll be no arguments in the comments. No, definitely not. Moving on to, well, quite clearly, arguably the biggest talking point of the weekend, bigger than the Ballon d 'Or somehow.

32:29Reev:But hey, look, everyone's got an opinion. Everyone has an agenda. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Go on. 1-1 win, guys. Was it points dropped or was it a point gained? Martin Nelly's just equalised. Sorry, mate. Whoa, getting violent now. It's honestly delicious. It is absolutely delicious watching ourselves do what's so predictable. Hey, guys. I will say as a neutral in this. I can't believe you did that. As a neutral. Can we insert the clip? Sorry, sorry. Can we insert the clip on Theo on stream, God? Have you seen him do that? No, I've seen the clip. I've seen the clip, but I could see him getting berated by you two.

33:13All half.

33:14Lewis Bowden:Yeah, we understand you're going to come out and make Arteta's arse because you love Arsenal. I'm talking about Theo. He's not talking about Arteta. I thought, you know what? He's going to. I promise you he's going to. I thought, you know what? Good for Theo. Good for you. For what? You made me sick.

33:27Reev:You literally celebrated a fucking throwing, mate. You didn't actually celebrate. Yeah, by the way, you actually didn't celebrate. Because you got me that angry. I was raging inside I'm sorry I agree Can I actually say I also felt like I didn't want to celebrate as much in that goal because I actually thought you should then you know it was 90 second minute let's fucking go do this Yeah you shouldn't knee slide in the corner and have your knee slide Martinelli and all the team he's knee sliding in the corner on all the Arsenal socials they're tweeting out like with the hardcore music saying we fight to the end No you don't you knee slide it pick the ball up Can I just say I think that has been blown way out of proportion.

34:05Reev:How's it out of proportion? Pick the ball up and bring it out. Supermendy does go in the ball. Supermendy literally tries to get the ball and City players like fuck him in the arse. One player went for the ball. Okay, what about when Salah did the equaliser last year and he slid into the corner and he's exactly the same. I also have a video. What about when Harland did it against 10-man Arsenal and threw the ball at Gabriel's head? I'd actually love that. So what's the difference there? He throws it off his head as they're running back to his own half. If we are now... And also on that Salah one to answer that.

34:30No, because you just pointed those out, so I'm going to fact-check you real quick. There's one where he celebrates. There's another one, actually, where they all pick up the ball in the 50th minute and run back at the halfway line.

34:38Reev:Do you not think scoring an equaliser in the 50th minute is a bit different to the 92nd minute? Would you not say? Yeah, you should be in more of a rush. Yeah, he's wrong. No, but the feelings and emotions of scoring a 92nd minute equaliser compared to a 50-minute equaliser is completely different. Yeah, but this is our whole point about Arsenal. This is the difference. No, but this is so...

34:54Lewis Bowden:This is your mentality.

34:55Reev:Let me talk, because this is so blown out of proportion. It's crazy. Zumendi literally gets the ball. One player does.

34:59Lewis Bowden:While the rest of them in the corner celebrating.

35:01Reev:You can't kick off with all them in the corner and knee sliding.

35:04Lewis Bowden:Lads, do you still have like five minutes left? Do you not think this is going to be an apportioned? Do you not want players

35:10Reev:to celebrate now?

35:11Lewis Bowden:Oh, no, I hate this. It's not about celebration, please. No one's...

35:15Reev:I get so angry.

35:17Lewis Bowden:No one's saying you shouldn't celebrate, but this is why... You are. No, I'm not. You are. No, you don't understand the point. It's a 90 second minute. Wait, 90 second... Do you think if you got that ball, you could have got a winner? Why use wasting time That's not the mentality You're happy with the ball They never add it on Properly mate And also They play for like 99 minutes Also even if they do You want to keep the momentum going You don't want to give Man City players a break You've just scored You've had them up against it Get the ball back Get right back on them You don't need to And that's why the Mendy

35:44Reev:Got the ball and ran up the pitch While the rest of them That's so much I think personally I think this has been Blown way out of proportion You're nitpicking for like No reason We would have moved on If you understand our point The reason it's getting Blown out of proportion is because you are unwilling to admit we should have actually not in Eastland there. Every team does that. They don't. Liverpool did that against Arsenal. Salah did that, mate. Once in the 80th minute. They also in the 50th minute picked the ball up. What do you mean once in the 80th minute? Arsenal did it once in that minute, in the 90th minute.

36:11Reev:What's your point? I don't get you. So there's a bit of difference. You're going after nothing right here. No, no. You are. I promise you you are. I'll explain you why it's different really quick. Okay. One was in the 92nd minute. So, and also you were all over in that game. Once in the 80th minute, okay, you could argue

36:27when they do get the ball and score in a different game, they brought it straight back. Another one, another one,

36:31Reev:another one, you will be criticised more because Liverpool have actually won stuff and had success. If Arsenal keep on doing this sort of thing, which shows their bad mentality, then it's not going to... 49th minute against City scoring a pen. Obviously, you're going to grab the ball. I actually disagree. You're more likely to celebrate than... Guys, let's be honest here. I'm sure we could, if we had the time, right, we could probably go back at Arsenal and have a look how many times they've grabbed the ball and ran up the pitch? Yeah, but you're missing the point. We're avoiding the actual match going on here.

37:02Lewis Bowden:In general, this is a tiny point, right? But it's a wider point in the sense of it shows how Arsenal are as a team and I think it comes from your manager. I think it's been blown out of proportion. It has been blown out of proportion. Yeah, I understand. But the reason it doesn't get blown out of proportion or made a big deal with the likes of Man City, the likes of Arsenal, this is what you can't process in your head. It's really frustrating. Don't talk to me like that. That's rude.

37:26Reev:what don't quote something like that I can't process I understand what you're saying no you don't because we had this I understand what you're saying no no no we had this argument

37:32Lewis Bowden:all on stream and you just couldn't process it and it was really frustrating they've been there and done it they don't have to prove their mentality they don't have to prove they can get over the line they don't have to prove they can go to these teams and win they don't have to prove they can get a 90 second minute equaliser they don't have to prove anything Arsenal do and time and time again your manager your manager sets up for draws in the big games he's more bothered about not losing than winning your players are celebrating in the corner against, by the way, a team you're better than. You're better than City right now.

38:00Lewis Bowden:You've actually got the best squad in the league, quite considerably, I think, depth-wise. Arsenal have the best squad in the league. You're at home against a man City side who've gone there, sat back and defended against you because they recognise you're better than them. And still, when you get a goal in the 92nd minute, you're too busy in the corner going mad because the way your mentality is as a team, because of your gaffer, you're buzzing with a draw when actually you should be winning that game because you're better than City and this is why you won't win the league

38:29Reev:I don't think we're buzzing

38:30Lewis Bowden:with a draw I think it's circumstantial

38:32Reev:we've scored a 90 second minute equaliser and yeah you're going to be but this is the occasion a lot of it's relief because when City were 1-0 up in that I was thinking like if Arsenal lose this like the title's done they're not going to they had to get something from that game and yeah I agree a draw is not it's not a great result but it's not like a full time whistle when Arsenal were like come on we've just drawn 1-1 I'm sorry But Eze's laid on the floor with Raya giving them a hug. A hug like they won a cup final. Look at the tweet you put out. Look at the tweet Ehrling Haaland put out. I'm proud of this team.

39:02Reev:Proud of this floor. You're missing the point yet again. They don't need to prove anything. They've won. City went there. I understand that they've won trophies. I completely understand that they've won trophies. That's a good result for City, by the way.

39:12Lewis Bowden:You're better than City. Again, you're missing the point. They're happy with the point. So are you, but you shouldn't be. You should be absolutely devastated with the point. Because you're better than them.

39:22Reev:Do you not think City going into that will think to themselves, fuck, we dropped points there?

39:26Lewis Bowden:Yeah, based on the game, yes. But before the game, they just snapped your hand off for a point.

39:31Reev:I know, but do you not think, though, this whole Arteta thing and blah, blah, blah, I understand what you're saying here, Thomas. You're getting very angry about it. No, I get frustrated because you're talking for war. No, it's not. I'm saying I completely understand you. Weird. You're saying you understand, but then you don't. I'm trying to talk, but you keep interrupting me every time. Arteta's gone into that game and we've seen Pep never do this before, right? So he's gone into this game thinking, yeah, I actually think he should have started with Eze in the hole and I think he should have been more pragmatic about it.

40:01Reev:But you then looked at halftime and he's seen how the game has gone. He said, I fucking know, what the hell is Pep doing here? Like this is, this has literally never happened before. And he's made the changes at halftime, which you very rarely see at halftime, to try and be more pragmatic about it. So he's bought on Eze, he's bringing on Martinelli and you can see in the second half, in hindsight, obviously we should have started like that, right? We were a better team in the second half. We created more chances and you saw with the goal it came from an Eze Fru ball. So we know we should have started like that.

40:28Reev:We know we should have started like that. Okay? We know that. So that is a criticism of Arteta. I know. That's what I'm saying. But I think Arteta was actually caught off guard with how Manchester City played. I also, I completely disagree. Is that not fair to say? Is that, surely that's completely fair to say? I think that's... That's unbiased and fair to say. I don't get what this like laughter and like... I also think this narrative... Weird, really weird. I haven't said anything. This narrative of like, oh, the midfield three of Marino, Zubermendi and Rice is three defensive midfielders and Arteta setting up for a draw.

41:01Rice is an eight, Marino's a striker. He started Trossard. Come on. I agree that's a problem. I don't agree with that. I think Arteta isn't buzzing with the draw. No. Oh, man. Why would Mike Arteta... Are you an eating? Do you know? Why would he be a... They only need to watch Arsenal for the last four or five years to know that he's buzzing with the fucking draw.

41:18Lewis Bowden:What do we say after the Liverpool game? Every big game in the Premier League, he does the same. It's so frustrating. But Arsenal's problem. And then we go, yeah, he probably should have played. Should have played, we said this two weeks ago. He's doing it again. And then when you play fucking Chelsea, he'll probably do the same. He's too happy with drawing and not losing. He's set up like that against us. He should be fucking ashamed, by the way. Like, genuinely. Arsenal's problem over the last... Under our test there, has not been the big games. Their problem has not been the game. It's another myth.

41:51But you could talk about mentality on the way they set up or whatever, but they have consistently got results. They've consistently not lost. Yeah, but that's not a bad thing. It is. No, no, no. A draw against Liverpool, okay, 1-1, 1 point each. It's an opportunity for them to extend by three points, an opportunity for them to deny points to their title contenders.

42:12Reev:I think Arsenal should have set up with more confidence in that game. I really do. I think we should have started Eze. Look, everyone keeps saying, oh, we should have started Martinelli because he scored the fucking equaliser. But Martinelli's still not the same player. He's better when he comes off the bench now. Okay, so we could have started one nary in the hole against City. We could have started Eze on the left. There's different ways we could have set up to be more attacking. But you talk about against the big games. Arteta's the first ever manager to go and beat against a Pep side five games in a row.

42:36Reev:That is not bottling it. That is not, it's sitting out not to lose, maybe, yes. But long-term not losing is also very good. The long-term stats are sort of irrelevant in the moment. Like, there, he should look at City, who don't look that great. Look at his team. And he should be like, right, we're at the Emirates. Do you know what? We're going to go at them. So he should have anticipated. First 30 minutes, even though City scored, Arsenal were the better side. Do you not think at halftime, Arteta made the changes to be like that? I think it should start. Halftime is not too late. You've wasted half a game.

43:07Also, it's not like this season, Pep and Slott set up against Arsenal to go and kill them like 5-0. No, because they know how good they are. That's the point. No, but everyone knows how good Arsenal are. Yeah, so they stick behind the ball.

43:20Lewis Bowden:You're putting 11 men behind the ball. Theo, they created more chances as well. Like, let's not take the piss. The Haaland goal, the Haaland one-on-one, the Doku one. They had some massive chances in that game.

43:29Reev:When you start up with that many men behind the ball, that's how you get the chances you counter-attack, Tom. What, like Leeds did against you? What happened in that game? Man City are considerably better than Leeds.

43:37Lewis Bowden:What are we doing here? What are you saying is rubbish? What are you on about? What were you expecting in that game? I don't understand. You're better than City. quite considerably but you're not hearing

43:45Reev:the point you just compared City to Leeds

43:47Lewis Bowden:no because you said well they sit behind the ball of course they're going to get chances no that's not true

43:51Reev:if you sit behind the ball with 10 men with the quality of Manchester City you're going to get a counter-attack chance obviously

43:55Lewis Bowden:all they've been doing is leaking goals this year what Tom you're more than good enough to break that team down you're not hearing what I'm saying here I really am I really am but it's hard to break a team down with three midfielders behind the ball

44:08Reev:the only way to create chances is counter-attacking

44:11Lewis Bowden:am I wrong No, of course, yes. So I don't get what you're arguing with here. Okay, so what's your point? The problem is you're not going to break down a City team doing that when you have three negative players in the middle of the pitch rather than going a bit farther, who can actually get behind the lines and actually create chances, which you did better in the second half when you ended up scoring, but you waited half a game at that point because you were too afraid to go at them. City were laughing. You only scored because City made a mistake, by the way. By the way, Guardiola would have seen your stand line up and he would be like, I fucking knew it and be buzzing about it.

44:42and he would have he actually went there and did and played like Arteta does actually I know he did and he was banking on the fact that Hughes would do that as well and Hughes is so predictable in that way if Hughes, imagine if Hughes went out and actually had that aggressive line up he would have been he would have been fucked I know

44:56Reev:but I agree with you on that point I think also this year are going to because they've got as you said the best squad they've had under Arteta they've got a lot of attacking capabilities way more than they've had in previous years and I don't think they have an excuse this year of their squad not being as good as other teams I agree so Arteta is going to have to change the way he sets up in these games a bit because he can, in theory, go toe-to-toe. And you know he's not going to do that. But in the second half, he's not going to do that.

45:18Lewis Bowden:But you know, you could look at it. No, it's all right in the second half when you're 1-0 down, having a go. Of course, you've got no other option. But they're protecting a lead. It's having the bollocks at the start of the game to literally have a go at City because you're better than them. I get frustrated because I feel like I have higher standards for Arsenal than Arsenal fans. This is what I was saying to them. I think you're the best squad in the league, the best. but your manager is a fanny. Like, he is. He's an absolute... He sets up like Albion would against teams. Like, it's half embarrassing.

45:48Lewis Bowden:Like, Marino, Zubemendi and Rice at home. You've got arguably the best home record in the league. You've got the best defence in the league. You don't need those three midfielders against a City team who are struggling. You've been laughing at, like, Rodri and how they've been. Ryan has had one good game and all that. Like, they don't even know their best team is, City, at the minute. and you've yet again set up like you did the other week at Liverpool. It's Groundhog Day. You went to Liverpool, try and get a draw and you end up fucking losing. You set up the weekend, I think, to get a draw again and he was lucky that City kept a high line right at the end and Eze made a great pass and I think you got away with one.

46:26Reev:I don't think Arteta's up to get a draw again. I agree with that. He set up to not lose. And he thinks he can win with the talent he's got. I also think Arteta's... With Trossard. You think he thought you know I'm going to get City. Every time Trostard's come on he's made a big difference. I personally would have started a Martinelli or an Eze on the left personally. I think the problem with that set up is playing Trostard on the left because like Mourinho and Zubomendi both start or have started a lot of games for Spain who are the best national team in the world and if Mourinho has he's like a good like box crasher.

46:56He scored goals. He can score goals. Yeah but in front of them they've got Yamal and like But that's the problem.

47:01Reev:If you play Eze the one scoring the goals if you play Eze on the left then there's more chances being created in general. I don't think that midfield in isolation is necessarily overly negative or like, I agree, Mourinho's not very good on the ball, but he has scored a lot of goals. He scored against Madrid last year, home and away against Liverpool. Like, he can score goals. But you've got to give, he has to have someone, you have to have someone else in the team making the chance. You either play Eze midfield instead of Mourinho or you play Eze on the left instead of Trossard. You can't have Mourinho and Trossard.

47:31There is one man who should be scoring goals and it's shock just as he comes up against a decent team. Jokeres had an absolute stinker.

47:38Lewis Bowden:Like, he was pathetically bad. Do you mean it's Shokeres? It's Shokeres. My God. No, can I just say it really quick on him? Can I say it really quick on him? Can I say it really quick on him? I said this would be the case. Like, in this sort of game, you need a fucking proper striker. He was pathetically bad, man.

47:55Reev:Do you not think, though, the issue actually, especially in the City game, isn't necessarily Jokeres? No. Do you not think the issue was, actually we couldn't give him the service that he needed. We literally didn't create that much. Why do you think that is though? Because we set up a little bit more defensively and I agreed with you from the start. Like you saw in the second half when Eze came on we scored. Yeah, City should have dropped a bit further but we scored the goal because Eze was being pragmatic. He played that ball over the top. And Jokeres was 40 yards offside. He was hiding. You're not listening to what I'm saying.

48:29Reev:You're not listening to what I'm saying. Like strikers, especially that type of striker, okay, They may not touch the ball many times. Haaland barely touches the ball, right? But when he touches it, he's on it. You need to have the service. But when a team puts 11 men behind the ball, it's not the striker to break them down. I did listen to what you said. You said when Haaland touches the ball, when they touch the ball, they have to be on it. When Jokeres touches the ball, he's not on it. I think that's a bit harsh. It's like a spoon-feet, mate. It's not. I think it's a bit harsh. It really is.

48:55It's not at all. We have a highlight reel.

48:57Reev:But Lou, when Jokeres, who's not getting fed against a City team, who's playing with 10 men behind the ball, Chance is like He probably isn't going to Touch the ball that much Right but

49:07Lewis Bowden:Doesn't Haaland deal with that Every week against teams 11 men behind the ball And he still Mix things up But Haaland's in the league And he has better creators He has better creators He has better creators around him

49:16Reev:There are better creators I think so Also I think Haaland Tom is We've just said Arsenal Have a better team than City But I don't think Arsenal's starting 11 Is better than Also I don't think It's fair to compare Jokeres to Haaland Because I think Haaland's In a league of his own I think he's just that much Better than Jokeres

49:29Lewis Bowden:So who do we compare him to? Because you're meant to be Challenging for every trophy you're in which is like the biggest and best trophies

49:36Reev:who do we compare Jokeres to 60-70 million pound strikers

49:43Lewis Bowden:I'm asking who in the league do we compare him to because you're meant to be the best team in the league or trying to be anyway

49:48Reev:maybe compare him to like a Eketike

49:52Lewis Bowden:which again at the minute it's chalk and cheese isn't it

49:54Reev:yeah I know but he's still scoring goals we're talking about in the Manchester City game how shit Jokeres was because he wasn't getting any service as well But that's such a cop-out. That's not a cop. I think that's just a fair thing. I think it is. You were agreeing with me a second ago when I said that.

50:09Lewis Bowden:No, I agree. No, no. You said Arsenal not creating or whatever isn't his fault. Yeah, I agree with that. But he can also make things happen. He can make runs that create gaps for the midfielders or the wingers to come in. He can get himself busy and knocking into centre-halves. He doesn't really do much, does he? You don't really notice him. Do you know when Haaland's like... How many times do you see Haaland? having an argument with the centre half or do you know what I mean? Just doing something to either G himself up, G his players up or trying to make things happen. Jokeres is just a bit of a statue half the time.

50:42Lewis Bowden:And when it does come to him, he's got a trampoline on his foot. And it's not like he's making runs where you think, fucking hell, if Eze was on, he would have played that ball in. He's not really anywhere to be seen. He didn't really cause them any issues, did he? No, he didn't cause them issues. That's the point.

50:55Reev:But I'm saying Haaland is just that dramatically better. Forget Haaland for a second.

50:59Lewis Bowden:Forget Haaland for a second. I'm on about Jokeres. was there any point in that game you thought god he's not getting the service but he's in the right position like we should have put that ball in

51:08Reev:I can't remember

51:08Lewis Bowden:he didn't know because you'd have remembered it you'd have remembered it in the chat there's a four minute every single touch of the game there's a four minute like cut up of it and I'm not like you're right he's not getting the clear cut chances fair enough but when the ball does come his way I feel like when you see Necatega straight away you saw he has like the technical ability he has to touch it like you're confident in him I see Jokre's mage I prefer the term spoons on his feet. But I think you're also

51:31Reev:just looking at him in a completely

51:33Lewis Bowden:the wrong sense. I actually disagree with you there in the sense of it's silly to compare the two because they're so different. Jokeres actually is. I know you don't want to because it's the mighty Haaland of Man City. The actual comparison to Jokeres is Haaland. They're very similar. I don't use Eketike because he mentioned them. I agree. Eketike is more of like an East-Axie. I'm saying about the price tag of the player, Lewis.

51:54Reev:I think Jokeres isn't going to be the guy that bullies these big teams. I think he's just going to get us 20 plus goals a season by bullying maybe the lesser teams. And I think that is also partly we did need someone like that. That was kind of the MO, wasn't it? And I think Arsenal are... I know we've got the best squad. I agree with the best depth. But I think there is still a small transition period of playing without an out-and-out number nine to learn to play with an out-and-out number nine. I still think when Haber just fit and played the big games. For example, when Manchester City got Erling Haaland, they did have that period of like...

52:27Reev:I know he started incredibly, but there was that period of like how do we play over number nine how do you not you have to learn how to adapt to it even when he was bagging goals when he joined they were like how are the Man City going to learn and they were fine he scored twice on his day they were fine I know I just said that I said he started off amazing but there still was that transition period of learning to play over number nine and you could see it

52:46Lewis Bowden:sorry I hate to feel like I'm like just going at you but what do you mean they have to learn to play with a nine there was a huge talking point since they're all four years old they've all played with what are you on about every single footballer in the world knows how to play with a striker

52:58Reev:When you're learning patterns of play without strikers. You played with a striker last year? No, but an out-and-out number nine, Tom. Surely you understand this. That's how players are out-and-out. Clubs have to adapt if certain players join. We have this narrative around so many different clubs and then when it comes to Arsenal and I mention it, it's like they've been playing with strikers since they're four years old. Well, yeah. What do you mean? They have to adapt? When Harlem joined... He's meant to be an elite striker. When Harlem joined Manchester City, the whole narrative was like, will they be able to adapt?

53:25Reev:And then your argument should have been at the time. No, no, no. Why would they have to adapt? They've been playing with strikers when they're four years old.

53:29Lewis Bowden:No, because City kind of had to change the way they play because City played with false nines. They didn't really play with strikers. You have. That's absolute bollocks. Havertz is not out and out number nine. But he played as one. Not really. Since Arteta's been there, you've always had a striker. You've never not played with a striker, whether it was Jesus. Whether you think they're good enough or out and out nines is a different argument. You've always played with a striker. But Havertz hasn't really played

53:54Reev:like running in the channels like Ayokeres would do. That's a different argument That's a different argument So Havertz doesn't play Like an out and out number nine I think you will find Like when you have A new player come into that And like they're a focal Point of your attack You are going to get used To the types of runs They play and how They link up with you Exactly There will be like a blending Of how that player Links up with the team

54:13Lewis Bowden:That isn't what I was all about That literally isn't What I was saying That's just what I'm saying That's also what I was saying As well But The comparison isn't fair Because when Haaland come in City weren't playing With a striker No it was harder For them to adapt I agree It was a different system or all you've done is Havertz out, Jokerezin. They're different players, yes, I agree with that. So they have to adapt

54:33Reev:a little bit. Of course they do. But we're talking about

54:36Lewis Bowden:them like they're fucking kids. These are the best footballers in the world. They should be able... I feel like I can't say a fair point without just an argument coming back. No, you can. I just disagree. Tom, these are also playing against the best players in the world, so those tiny differences do make a difference. You can't say these are the best players in the world. Yes, that's fair. But he's the issue. He's not good enough. I agree he's not good enough I think he just needs time he needs time I do think it's a massive step up going for the Portuguese it is a massive step up and when like a game on Sunday when you've got Diaz, Ake, Stones, Guardiol all on the pitch at the same time and you're playing up front by yourself that is pretty fucking difficult

55:12Reev:you see time and time again players come yes he's played in the Premier League before but after playing in the Premier League yeah do you know what I mean like players do need time and that's completely fair is he not as good as you thought when you're getting him over when you've seen him like and how he is in the ball I agree he will get goals against the worst teams he's just a bit clunky but I think he's just going to get goals that won't improve in my opinion I feel like when you look at someone that won't improve 125 million euros or whatever it was but the thing is I think when you have that technical base then you can improve if you're not good on the ball now he's not going to improve on that he might be a good finisher and he'll get goals but like Virts will adapt well to the Premier League because he's technically good you even look at Kerkers Kerkers has got better like last game but you'd think he's played in the Premier League experienced in the Premier League even step up to Liverpool is a huge step up for him and you can saw how shaky he was at the start what I'm saying is though you can sort of build strength and tactical awareness you can learn tactical awareness and you can build strength but you're not going to get massively better on the ball suddenly once you're signed to a new team that's like that's something that you develop over years and years and that's why I'm like I don't think you'll see Jokeres really improve I think no I think Jokeres will get more goals as he learns where he should be at the right time and what runs he should make but he's not going to suddenly become like jump leaps and bounds because he hasn't got that technical base I don't think they probably would have signed him for that.

56:27Reev:Otherwise, he would have gone a younger striker. I don't think he'd have to go younger. I mean, like... Well, younger, more time to grow. But you look at the goals he scored, and a lot of the goals were almost poacher goals and penalties. I mean, hindsight of which striker he could go for, we could go for ages, because we could have said in hindsight, you could have tried our resolve in Isaac. You're stuck with Jokeres now. He's going to be there. Four games in, and it's like, this is the end of the world. I'm not saying the end of the world. I'm just saying he's shit. I'm not saying the world's going to die, but he is shit.

56:55I think Arsenal have much bigger problems than Guilcaraz right now to be honest. Like the manager.

57:01Reev:Well Tom you said at the weekend I thought I was mental. You said Arteta should go now. Yeah I didn't agree with that. I think that's bonkers. I think that could be the worst thing to happen at Arsenal football club. Okay.

57:13Lewis Bowden:The thing is

57:13Reev:what was your reasoning

57:14Lewis Bowden:behind that? Because you'll never get over the line with him in Germany.

57:16Reev:So your reasoning is we should just fire him now.

57:19Lewis Bowden:Okay or should we just keep doing this every year and you just finish second. That's my point. Or you just or you maintain it and just get to semi-finals. Maybe get to a final. Okay, so who do you bring in now

57:29Reev:to get Arsenal to win the league? I don't know. That's my only reason why I'd keep them to the end of the year. And plus like...

57:34Lewis Bowden:I also wouldn't have been able to give you Arnie's slot when they got rid of Klopp. So I don't know. I think there must be loads of options. I'm not really that in-depth knowledge about managers across the world or Europe. So I don't really know. But I think he's not the be-all and end-all. I know you all think he is and he's done a good job at Arsenal and great, but as he should, the fucking money he spent. But again, I understand other managers have had as much money and haven't done as well as him. I get that. Like I said, he's done a good job at Arsenal. You will never, ever get over the line with that bloke in charge, in my opinion.

58:02Lewis Bowden:I agree. We shall see by the end of the season. It's also, it's in percent... It's every year. It's every year. The thing is, Arsenal have changed so much under Arteta since he came in. It's basically impossible to know how, I know it sounds weird, how important he is in the context of the club until he goes. No one will ever know. They might sack him and people go, why the hell do they do that and they've got so much worse. Because there is always

58:22Reev:a is it green on the other side but do you think getting rid of him now is just horrific as a decision. I would say if he doesn't win I think that's when if he doesn't win something this season that's when all this discord has been proven right and it's just like Discord. Of course. I'll tell you that again what I say. Discord. What I need to say. Discourse. All this discourse would be proven right and that's when I think it's 100 % viable to say yeah maybe you need to go now. I hope he'd walk away and he'd hold his hands up and be like He wouldn't walk away. He'd have to at the end of the year.

58:51See if I'm selling the embarrassment. He's got about£50 million a year.

58:53Reev:He's got a win. Yeah, you want that money. Yeah, I think this is like the first... Because he's been back this summer as well. Yeah. There are no excuses this year. No, I agree. I think last year you could point to injuries. I'm sure there'll be good stuff. I can give you one now if you want. Referees? Injuries? We've had a major injury every game this season. Oh. Could that be his training regime? Is it just something that happens to every team? It happens to every team, man. Yeah, but now we have the depth to deal with it. That's the thing. That's the thing. That's why there's no excuse this year because like your squad has been built to deal with an injury crisis.

59:26So if you can't deal with an injury crisis that's a problem. And I still think you should have signed a left winger. I agree. I can't wait until we're like a few more months in and we get our first excuse though.

59:35Reev:But what is your if Arsenal do win the league or the Champions League or win something then you've just been proven wrong.

59:40Lewis Bowden:Yeah, of course.

59:41Reev:Yeah, proven wrong by Arteta because I don't think Arteta I think the squad's by far good enough. But like

59:46Lewis Bowden:proven wrong by Arteta I will happily hold my hands up and go I got it wrong. He's completely proven wrong. But then you equally have to accept that so far we've been right every season.

59:55Reev:Yeah, and I think this season is make or break. And I think if we were to go trophyless again, I actually know who I'd get in charge. Who's that? You'll have to wait, Tom. What? No, I'd get Cesc Fabregas.

1:00:09Lewis Bowden:Oh, here we go again.

1:00:11Reev:I think he's one of the most talented up-and-coming managers out there. A proven winner. That's what you need. Cesc Fabregas. I appreciate the love that you have for Fabregas. with it like you want he's a fantastic manager I feel like you're throwing him in too deep getting Como up into Serie A again fucking hell the way he talks about football the way his philosophy is get Reggie Labreen

1:00:29Lewis Bowden:then because he's brought something up you see what I mean you have lower expectations for your own club than I do why do I have like such higher demands for your own club I don't get it

1:00:38Reev:let's get Conte in then I'd hate that what the suggestion yeah oh

1:00:45Lewis Bowden:I mean yeah Conte would be a better shout than fucking Fabregas

1:00:48Reev:I love Fabregas he's a good club legend as well Arteta's going to win a trophy this season so this whole conversation you don't believe that yeah I do that's why no you don't mate that's why Tom I put him to win the FA Cup and Champions League you don't believe that I think our Arsenal fans are honest with themselves I have 100 % of Arteta's won a trophy this season the thing is if I used to win trophies you're going to need goals against difficult teams in big games like we said Jokeres will get against the shitters but in these big games me to say I think Arsenal win a trophy this season is like the dumbest thing on earth when we'd be competing.

1:01:19No, I haven't said that. Your reactions were so...

1:01:20Lewis Bowden:I don't think it's dumb. I don't believe you believe that. That's just my opinion. I don't believe you actually believe in him. I think you say you're going to win things and you say you back him because you kind of have to.

1:01:31Reev:So I tell you my opinion and how I feel and you say that... I don't believe it. What?

1:01:38Lewis Bowden:That's just sorry. That's just how I feel. I don't think you truly believe that. I think if we put a lie detector on you I don't think you think you're going to win something. Are you less confident now than you were at the start of the season? Are you less confident now than you were at the start of the season? Sorry, I don't think I'm allowed to say anything because nothing I say is true.

1:01:54Reev:Why do you always go that way? I've just told you how I feel and you said you don't believe me. Why would I say something I don't believe?

1:02:01Lewis Bowden:That's a completely legitimate way. It's like if you said to me, I'm Brunette. I'd go, I don't believe you. I think you're a liar. I can think people are lying but I don't believe them. But Brunette's just a fact. Okay then. All right then. Or if you said to me, I think I'm a potato. I don't like, I'll go, I don't believe you. You're not a potato.

1:02:17Reev:No. Oh my God. I'm telling you my opinion. I know. I understand. Potato and brunette are just facts.

1:02:22Lewis Bowden:And I accept.

1:02:23Reev:What is it? Is he going mental? I, I, I accept your opinion.

1:02:30Lewis Bowden:I'm telling you, I don't believe you believe that deep down. That's all. That's just my opinion. But I do. Subconscious. But I do. The same way, if you actually put me on a lie detector test, I'd fail it saying, I think I'll be and I'll go up, but I'll say it. Cause it's like, yeah, I think I've got, yeah, we had a decent start I genuinely think

1:02:47Reev:Arsenal win a trophy

1:02:48Lewis Bowden:that's completely fine I don't think you do that's just my opinion I might be wrong it's just what I think genuinely has your confidence dwindled a little bit since the start of the season from now you've seen some of the players in action I mean like Maduweke will be a reassuring one but obviously he's injured now yeah injury which isn't ideal but not good at all but like he had a banging purple patch didn't he actually that's who he got he was with no goals or assists I think he did well I'm chief of the Maduweke fine club man I fucking love Maduweke since he was at Chelsea. He's class. I like him a lot.

1:03:18I think he's brilliant.

1:03:18Reev:I think he's a good player. I was getting annoyed. Why hating on him? Say sorry to Madweke. I actually do want an apology because I thought that was a really uninspired sign in Bayou's but he looked good. He's a very good backup for Saka, definitely. I got annoyed when I raved about Madweke a lot last year and Chelsea fans were like, you're wrong, he's shit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then this year... You do overrate him. I do overrate him, that's fine. But then when this year he was good, Chelsea fans were like, yeah, we always knew he was good. I was like, you didn't. They were shit all of last season.

1:03:46Everyone was saying

1:03:46Reev:I was shit signing. Speaking of underperforming players. Great segue. Great segue. We're overperforming. We're going to be creating... Now, we've done it recently, like underperforming from every team. We're going to be doing our underperforming... No, that was underrated from every team. What the hell? We're going to be doing our underperforming 11. So this means they should be good players that are just not playing that good. It's like we're a bit confusing. Am I making the worst team or the best team? Is it the best worst team? Yeah, it's the... It's the best worst team. It's the best team that's not playing very well.

1:04:13Yeah I like that You know So you are good players If any of these Are friends of the show Yeah But we want more This is a compliment

1:04:20Lewis Bowden:We want more We want more Yeah yeah yeah I'd say it's a compliment If we nominate I think I've won So can I go first No we haven't We haven't done What do you want to say We've done 11 We've done 11 Yeah yeah But we're all discussing Each position Let's talk about the goalie position Okay Yeah I was a bit confused By this to be honest With the goalie Like It's not like it Only because I almost don't expect

1:04:42Reev:more from this guy. I sort of expect as he is, but I think he is underperforming. Does that make sense? Yeah, you believe in him. Robert Sanchez. I think he's a good shot stopper. I don't agree with that. Do you know what? I don't really. No, I think Robert Sanchez has actually had quite a good season. What, getting sent off, making most mistakes. He hasn't made most mistakes. Yes, he has. Also, the red card. When he threw it in the goal. When did he throw it in the goal? Oh, against West Ham, he did do that, to be fair. When? He was with Paqueta. He stayed in Paqueta, like basically a straight out and it went through his hands.

1:05:11Reev:That's harsh. Throwing it in. For what it's worth, he's not on my list. He's a top corner. He's a Premier League level goalie. You're meant to be harsh, mate. Well, I'm... But Sanchez... By the way, no. That's just a stinker to start.

1:05:22Lewis Bowden:Okay, that's fine. Everyone thinks Sanchez is shit. He's actually underrated. I think he's actually over-performed this season for his level.

1:05:30Reev:We're getting sent off. I don't... Yeah, but it was... It was the dumbest thing I've ever seen this year. He had to come for it. He did. Yeah, you don't have to take him out. That's fucking silly. Once he was... Yeah, anyway. I'm putting in... This is kind of harsh, but I couldn't think of a keeper. But in the games he did play, he definitely underperformed. So I've put a right-backing goal. I've got Trafford in. I mean, he had the chance to solidify his position. And his underperformances meant they went and signed Donnarumma, so... Is that true? I think that's hard.

1:06:02Lewis Bowden:They still would have signed him. I feel like they... I think they were going into it, wanting a striker, and they saw Trafford was available, and they thought goalkeeper sorry

1:06:08Reev:they've just bought him for the future no I think they were given a go and then they seen Donnarumma's available they saw the dodgy performances I think they wanted

1:06:15Lewis Bowden:didn't they have to wasn't it the last window to get the buyback I think they just wanted if they let us

1:06:22Reev:get him that's gone now I think they did what Man United should have done they bought a world class keeper who's going to come in and just do a job straight away and they've got Trafford for the future that's why I think Martina's the chairman for Man United I don't think Donnarumma's that much older than Trafford anyway Donnarumma's still I think Yeah but I put Trappett in I think it's a bit harsh And he is a great keeper That is harsh I don't think that's that harsh Well it's because It's off such a small Southside And a big team It's a big step up I put Keller in From Brentford I've seen their fans Being like This guy actually stinks What are we doing Do you know what It's different innit When he's not Yeah when he's got He's got pressure on him now And I was saying Such a fantastic signing Wasn't it Yeah that was the Hipsters signing of the season But he had Van Dijk In front of him So it's like Yeah

1:07:03Lewis Bowden:He was good for Liverpool He definitely filled him well Yeah, now he's the main man I don't think that's a bad shout I've gone Martinez Because he just stinks He was alright against Everton The other day

1:07:14Reev:He did good when he came back in You don't expect him to stink though

1:07:17Lewis Bowden:No, I don't think so Villa fans are really Turning on him lately Yeah, he's He thought he was leaving the club Yeah, he literally said goodbye And he was doing They filmed his goodbye video Playing against Everton now He said none I actually think Trafford's a good shout I don't mind Trafford I think it's harsh But I think Teller's a better shout I haven't watched loads of Brentford though I feel like I've noticed any... Against Sunderland, the last minute goal, was it the last minute one? One of the goals against Sunderland, like straight under him. He's just not done any... Like, people thought Kelleher would be like, he's going to step up, he could have played a goal for Liverpool full time.

1:07:49Reev:But he's not. I think Frankfurt in general are sort of underperforming as well, though, aren't they? Or are they just bad? We're split. Who do we put in? I don't mind. I think Kelleher. I think it's a bit harsh on Trafford. I'll go Kelleher. I agree. I don't mind that. I'll put Kelleher in. Ryback was quite difficult. I've gone three at the back. I don't have a right back. I don't have a right back. There weren't many right backs. Now we're doing combined. My formation might be different.

1:08:08Lewis Bowden:I know he's injured now. I've only got three. I went, I've already gone with Einer based on last season. Yeah. Things have been poor this year compared to the level he was at last year. Neko Williams looked good at right back as well. Scored a banger. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I didn't have a right back. I didn't have a right back. I didn't have a right back either. Should you just be three defenders?

1:08:27Reev:I don't mind. Let's see three. Okay. No, because there's a left back who must make it. Yeah, there is no fucking must make it. And I've got centre-backs. I've got Canati and Agbadoo. Canati?

1:08:35Lewis Bowden:Yeah. He's been bad this year. Been fucking shit, man. He was good last game, but he has been bad this year. He's got it in my

1:08:41Reev:expectant to be bad. I've got Agbadoo in. Agbadoo's got to go in. I think both of those are solid five. We had a right-back. I've put Milenkovic in as well. Great show. We are having a right-back since the left-back we've got to put in a storm, Will. Why don't we play Agbadoo, Canati and Milenkovic, or who do you have?

1:09:00Reev:the fuck we I'm not sure we've gone 4-4-2 no for Kilman's price tag and no good like 3-4-3 or

1:09:06Lewis Bowden:something Kilman's been bad for a long time yeah I don't think he's underperforming but he's 40 million I think it's got to be canada in Agbadoo I don't know what we're doing here that's been poo poo mate I know I know but like doesn't mean he has been poo poo because we all I don't know Kerkers has got to go in this as well. Yeah. Wait, so we are doing a left back? Well, because Kerkers has to be in an underpair. I think we could do three at the back and just call them defenders.

1:09:34Reev:Three defenders. Yeah. Just three defenders. I think we got a good back four there. I don't know why we're making it. Agba, do you play right back? No, because there's more midfielders that are performing than defenders.

1:09:42Lewis Bowden:Give this a few games, Botman will be in there.

1:09:45Reev:He had a great game for us.

1:09:46Lewis Bowden:What, the weekend?

1:09:47Reev:Yeah, he played good.

1:09:47Lewis Bowden:I thought he was poor the weekend.

1:09:48Reev:I don't think there was anyone good in that team. Our defenders were pretty good. I thought he was really I didn't think he wasn't good on the pitch Chal was great against Barca but he should have been sent off I thought Botman looked like a player who you can tell has been out I think he's still strong he wasn't at his best I think Kilman deserves a shout to be in there though but Kirkhaz has to I'm happy with Kilman it's kind of mad that we're putting two Liverpool defenders in there where they haven't lost a game it's kind of mad isn't it but is that the level we expect him to be we know how good Kirkhaz is from last season he just hasn't been there yet I think Milankovic is a good shout Yeah, and he was terrible in that in the Serbian ring.

1:10:23Reev:Do we replace Canato with someone then? I think you've got to have a Forest defender in there. Yeah.

1:10:28Lewis Bowden:We'll place him with Einer or Milenkovic, I think. Yeah. Because Murillo's not been too bad and he was Nico Williams, has he? No. He's actually been good, Nico Williams. Yeah, I don't know. FPL legend, mate, brought me to my draft this week. Draft? Interesting.

1:10:42Reev:I've got a five midfield. Yeah. I've got a lot now. I've got a lot of attacking forwards, actually. Obviously, the first name on this team sheet it should be Florian Vert. Yeah. He's just... Yeah, it's just like, what's he doing? Underperforming, yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's the name. But he... It's not... There's quite a few big names I don't think. Bruno Fernandes? Bruno is one of mine. Yeah, got to go. I don't blame Bruno for that, though. I don't, but he's still... Whether it's his fault or not. He's underperforming. Has he been underperforming, though? He's been the one getting their goals.

1:11:19Reev:he's the one making things happen I know he's been played out of position but has he been underperforming or has he just played out of position

1:11:24Lewis Bowden:for his level but that's it doesn't matter he's been underperforming for his level that we're used to I suppose you some United fans do want him dropped don't they which is insane I agree the reason for him underperforming is because of the position he's been asked to play but it doesn't change the fact he's underperforming not doing as good as what we expect how many goals has he got this season no idea one I want to give a shout out to Carlos Balaba in here as well. He's been taken off at half-time twice this season. Two goals in five games. Hooked.

1:11:53Reev:Bruno. I don't think Bruno should be in there, personally. He's actually had a decent season for where he's playing. So who have we got? Verts is a... I don't think Bruno should be in. I think that's so harsh. I agree. I don't think Bruno should be in there. Can I nominate Alanga? Erdegaard. I feel like he's getting better. I think you're better off going Gordon, actually. I mean, he... Sending off. Sending off. I mean, he was looking good in that game until then, but just in general in recent times he's not been at his top top game I think Alanga's slowly been getting better so I feel like he's a bit harsh another man out of midfield and it's more other than Bruno what about Casemiro

1:12:28Lewis Bowden:he's just shit is he just shit

1:12:30Reev:I don't think he's been that bad

1:12:31Lewis Bowden:I think he was lucky I have low standards I think to be honest that's what I mean I don't think he's been that bad I think Morgan Rodgers should be in there yeah Morgan Rodgers is a lock mate I've got Rodgers on my list he is a lock is it harsh to say Declan Rice I have Rodgers he's not what I don't think he's been at the level that he can be at. I don't think that's crazy at all. And I like Declan Rice. I think Declan Rice is amazing, but I think... I don't think he's been amazing this season, so far.

1:12:56Reev:But if you compare him to other names we have on the team... I mean, yeah, that's true. Do you know what I mean? Roger's got to be there. Yeah, Belaber's got to be there. Is Palmer a shout, or is it just we've taken the injuries into... I think you'd have Gittins above Palmer. But for Palmer's standards, he's not creating much. He's not fit, though, is he? He's a bit harsh. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, well, He's still playing He also made a big difference Off the bench Against Brentford And he did miss The two before that I think He's hardly played That is harsh I think Odegaard's a good shout We both had Odegaard Odegaard's got to be in here I love God He's injured now Yeah He's gone off injured twice So are we talking about Injuries again Do you know what I mean He's just not He's played most games

1:13:34Lewis Bowden:This season He's gone off Hasn't he started Every game Other than the last game He went off as well With an injury In a couple games He has been like a thorn as an idiot side I think you're better off not selling him that's not even me trying to be an idiot selling him genuinely though like then you can make how much you get from Martin £4 million £6 million being jokes aside you probably get £4 million

1:14:02Reev:has Gordon really been that underperforming no I think it's because I have really high standards of him that's why that's what I mean this isn't disrespectful like Gordon's top game is like fucking sky high their best player in the world yeah but he's underperforming I'd have Roger over Gordon yeah I think Gordon's a bit harsh because the red card in that game he's just got time to work we've got three Liverpool players and they're top of the league aren't five out of five wins but they are just amazing players yeah but that is actually how Liverpool win it they haven't been out there they haven't they have not played they don't deserve this many points they have not played that well this season

1:14:38Lewis Bowden:we should have beat them is and this isn't I'm not putting him forward I'm just asking a question I've seen a lot of Fulham fans lately Online Going at a Wobie Really Oh no way You've class Last weekend It's just a question No way No way I think Don't an assist Yeah But I mean I think I've seen A lot of them Saying that He should have been dropped And obviously The weekend he got Well Traore Traore's been pretty shirny Don't know how much he's played He's a super sub What's the standard It was just a question Because I haven't I haven't watched loads Of Fulham this season five games what about so what we doing here we got so two strikers we need now

1:15:18Reev:are we keeping Gordon can't we let's go let's go

1:15:22Lewis Bowden:Roger over Gordon one striker I think there's there's a lot up front Ollie Watkins Ollie Watkins it has to be Ollie Watkins there's another one though he's so disinterested but the price he came in and the buzz man he feels hard he got pocketed by Grimsby I mean come on yeah but what a flick on at the weekend what a flick on that was I think that's a bit early I agree, that's all right. But all of this is a bit early. It is like we're four or five years in. No, but Watkins proven in the Premier League.

1:15:48Reev:Watkins has proven. Yeah, but Watkins has started every game so far. I am both in my formation, so I'm not arguing either or. But I'm just thinking, I do think Cesc... I think Cesc's level, he will come way better than what he's doing right now. I think Watkins and Rodgers almost come as a pair at the moment. Because when Villa are firing, it's because of them two. They're playing well. And I think you see... They're both being enormous. Villa's lack of goals is because of them two. You'd be so worried if you'd be Villa. What the fuck are they doing Drawing with Sunderland Sunderland are decent Sunderland are pissing me off They're unbeaten They're really hard teams They're in Liverpool Unbeaten

1:16:18Lewis Bowden:Very hard teams to play against To be fair to them I think Yeah Villa There's You see what he said The weekend as well Emery Calling them all lazy He's losing it now He's too emotional He went to good afternoon He was actually in Spanish He did the interview And called all his players lazy You think they weren't Going to translate And they wouldn't find out Oliver Glasner Better manager than Emery I think Someone was calling for Glasner To be an ex-arcel manager Oh that would not work I'm not sure about that No it was based By the back Counter attack match Isn't it So different Yeah it's a weird one With Villa Because He's almost That doesn't come across well That you know Because he's He's deflecting Isn't he It's like what Givens says Just a little Like see that behind Closed doors But when you do that I know he would have He 100 % would have said That before But like why do it in the press It's sort of It does seem like You're trying You need to call them out.

1:17:09They have been terrible this season so far. Nick Machita. I always think that's five pounds. What a name. That can't be a real name.

1:17:22Reev:There's no way it's a real name. What a fucking name. Jesus. That cannot be a real name.

1:17:29Lewis Bowden:That's what I say when the fucking burglars take my toilet. Ah, very good. I think that's shit management when you're doing stuff in the press. I feel like he should be able to properly get a WIQ score. He might have tried that.

1:17:43Reev:He might have tried that for four games. If they're playing shit, call them out on their shit. Or is Emery the issue? Well, I feel like he's probably... Emery Chan? Emery Chan is the issue. I think he'll be in a bit of a huff about the whole transfer rules. You missed out on Champions League and he'll just be in a grumpy little old sod now. Get him gone.

1:17:59Lewis Bowden:It's also one of them when it's the same squad again.

1:18:03Reev:I just don't think he's...

1:18:04Lewis Bowden:He just becomes stagnant, doesn't he?

1:18:06Reev:They also weren't He wasn't backed in the summer I also think

1:18:09Lewis Bowden:Watkins is sulking Because he wanted out And didn't get his move I think Rodgers He's half a foot out I think a few of them Are sulking Did you start the season Because they know They can't spend They're not going to get up there They'll be looking for Their move now Did you see that Rodgers interview Where they were asking About his squad number And he was like Yeah I always I can't remember what it is I always choose it So if I was ever to move To another Yeah And the interviewer was like What? He's like Next question He's actually did an interview With Alan Shearer months back and he's like will you ever take the number nine and he's like no number 40 is important to me blah blah blah and some fans are like now he's number nine for Liverpool it's because he didn't want to fucking lock himself in the trick that was six months ago I would never ever do that one more forward that's a 12 man thing I do think Cesc goes fair I think his level is so high compared to where he is I just think it feels early it feels early to say that he's only started two games that's really harsh This is all a bit early though.

1:19:07This is the thing.

1:19:08Lewis Bowden:All these players have played most of the game, most minutes. Can you think of any other strikers who aren't performing though? It's a tricky position to pick for. It is harsh. Has Evan Nielsen been good for Bournemouth? I don't know. Yeah, he has been good. Yeah, he has actually. I have no idea. Chris Wood. Oh, Chris Wood. Nah, but is that on him? Or is Chris Wood doing more than performing this whole time? Yeah, he has been. Manager, you were telling me he's one of the best strikers in the league. Get Chris Wood in there. At one point, Alvaro was one of the best wingers in the Premier League doesn't mean he was forever.

1:19:37He's not hungered before me. He's just shit. Chris Wood, get Chris Wood in there, mate.

1:19:42Lewis Bowden:Solanke? I think Chris Wood. I think he's been injured to the... Richarlison's bullshit. No, Richarlison's been good. Volta Marder?

1:19:49Reev:No. Beto. Strand Larson. He's been injured. I'm telling you, I feel like Seth Rich Wood. How is Chris Wood in there? Has he scored two goals there? So what's it say? He's scored twice against Brentford

1:20:01Lewis Bowden:who are literally... A team that's in upheaval with manager changes. He's been bad. come on man that's your agenda he'll get dropped soon he will that Calum Calum Wendo he'll definitely start within three games Watkins and Wood

1:20:16Reev:we expect more from these players then lads don't we I don't know if I do expect more from Wood do better I don't actually

1:20:21Lewis Bowden:he's actually Mateta's not a bad shout oh for what I expect from Mateta I think he's been quite poor he is just exhausted poor guy he just doesn't have a rest oh he's tired yeah but that's beside the point. He's also bad twice this season. He's exhausted. Why? Because he hasn't got a red. We've got no backup strikers. Forget all that. For his level, do you not think he's underperforming?

1:20:48Reev:For what you come to expect. Let's put Mettetra in. Palace Orange, they're doing pretty well. I think Mettetra is part of the reason. I think Mettetra has to go in, actually. That's a great show. What? He has to. He does not have to. Chris Wood's scored more goals there this year. I expect more from Mettetra I expect Waymoor, yeah. Wood got more goals last season, though. Yeah, but... No, that's fine. Let's put Mateta in. Let's put Mateta in. No, no. Don't put Mateta in. No, no. No, we are not putting Mateta in. Boom. He hasn't been underperforming. That is absolutely pathetic. That is Chris Woods.

1:21:18He's got two goals. No, Mateta's got two goals. But Mateta does things outside of scoring that Chris Wood can only dream of. Oh, but he's tired. He is tired. Oh, he's tired. He hasn't had enough sleep. Three goals all comps this season. Who's been better, Wood or Mateta? Mateta. Mateta Mateta So let's put Chris Wood in

1:21:36Lewis Bowden:No that isn't No we're not doing Who's been better or worse

1:21:39Reev:You've got Like Objectively Like Bruno Fernandes

1:21:42Lewis Bowden:Has been better than Fucking Josh Cullen But I expect more From Bruno Fernandes Wood has dropped off Compared to last season He probably actually Was just Purple Patch Wasn't he Who Wood What You've been arguing For so long What do you mean Purple Patch That he's in quality No no no I'm not Like He's not quality He's just a good goalscorer No you're about to self

1:22:02Reev:Like deconstruct

1:22:03Lewis Bowden:Which is what a striker does. Chris Wood is...

1:22:07Reev:Chris Wood's not Mateta. There's no way Mateta's going to perform in. Chris Wood. That's crazy. Thank you. Crazy to all. That's a disgrace. Mateta, honestly. It's not fucking... It was only a question. How many goals has Mateta scored? I bet you looked up and saw it was like... Two, same as Wood. That's disappointing. Wood got more goals last season. Yeah. So, therefore, Wood's under problem more compared to... Different manager. Using the system's different. Palace is fifth. With 17 games unbeaten. Are you really? Yeah. Have you not lost this season? Nope. Wait, so you and Sunderland and Liverpool?

1:22:35I didn't know that. No, Sunderland have lost. Have they lost? Yes. And we've got Liverpool at the weekend. Oh! You're not going to lose them. Hey, I bloody hope not.

1:22:44Reev:Is it Salas Park? Is it Salas, mate? That's a win. I'm feeling it. Who have you got? Liverpool at home. That is a win for... And it's Saturday 3 o 'clock. Oh, that's a win for... Sorry, everyone. Yeah, so our team is Kelleher, Agbadoo, Kanate, Kerkhez, Wurtz, Belieber, Rodri, Rodgers, Odegaard, and Watkins and Wood. and the gaffer is my M-Rey. No, I'm sorry. It's M-Rey.

1:23:07Lewis Bowden:Could say Eddie Howe.

1:23:08Reev:I feel like Arteta.

1:23:09Lewis Bowden:Oh, Eddie Howe's not a bad child. We're in Newcastle in the league.

1:23:12Reev:How did they do against Barcelona? Lost 2-1. I mean, that's a bit of a... Have you won one game this season? Just the one. One. Yeah, the defence is really good. The striking output is the one.

1:23:22Lewis Bowden:You are currently below Leeds. You keep telling me... Man United. And team in turmoil, Man United. I'd say the team in general is underperforming in the league, yeah. I wouldn't disagree in the league

1:23:33Reev:so where aren't you underperforming what do you think of well Champions League against Barca it's hard to say we underperform there what do you think of what do you think of Volta Marder I think he's very promising he just needs to up his get used to the physicality and the physical demands against Bournemouth he's good he had some really good he had some really I was just asking I didn't watch it no don't he had some brilliant sneaky devil over there

1:23:54Lewis Bowden:you know what you're doing physicality of Bournemouth if you saw our goal against Barca it's like what he did in that build up is quite similar to what he's been doing all the time. Wore a trophy, as you like to say to me. It was a beautiful goal, that. Great trophy, that loss. Did you see the goal?

1:24:09Reev:Yes, I did. No, you didn't, did you? I watched that game. Rashford, fucking, I saw Rashford destroy you. Who scored for us? It was... Jacob Murphy played it across to... Who was on the left-hand side? Harvey Barnes. Nope, Anthony Gordon. Gordon, I was going to say Gordon as well. Good cross from Jacob Murphy, though. First time. No, it was touch and cross. Yeah, no Man United players in the side. But the levels, they came 15th last year. Did they come 15th? In fact, they're actually over-performing. Yeah, they're actually doing really well. They're only two points off the top four. I honestly think United are over-performing.

1:24:45Reev:I'm not even joking, they are. Think about it. You're assuming, Billy. They're finishing 40th. Yeah, the manager we are putting through, then I vote for Emre. Emre. Emre. Jan. What do you call him? Emre. Unai Emery. I'd say Bath. Bath? I do feel like there's an argument for Arthur. It's a bit different though, isn't it? Emre. That's not a regional thing. That's just incorrect. Spanish. Una Emre. That's how you say it in Spain. Emre. Okay. Why is he looking at your hand up? Emre, yeah. That's the objective correct answer, I would say. Which? Emre. Emre. Una Emre. You could argue he's had a tough transfer window compared to another man who's been bad.

1:25:30But did he, he did, I don't even, they put all their eggs in the basket in January. Exactly, they've signed that guy, what's his name, Gwessandr? Gwessandr, Javier Elliott, and Sancho. That's fucking wedge, bro. They've spent a lot of money. I forgot the ad sacks, bro. Lindelof. Yeah. Huh? You said this before when we told you. You were surprised last time.

1:25:52Lewis Bowden:And, Roberto Carlos. Huh? Roberto, what? you're not seeing he's like an 18 year old Brazilian called Roberto Carlos wow that's Beastmark regen he smelled oh okay I was also lying

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