HEATED Slot v Salah: Liverpool In Crisis, Our Top 10 Worst Signings And Predicting The PL Sack Race!

7:21Lewis Bowden:it's very selfish of him to do this whilst playing doing this to his mates his team mate whilst they're in this situation just like what is he going to gain from this other than selfish reasons which is a move which he could have got really behind closed doors I just think he's really I think it's if you look at other players who aren't playing right I knew I was right about him you've got we've got Sabozle

7:44Reev:you've got Sabozle can fill in he's playing way better scored at the weekend but then if you look at Canata and Van Dijk have been equally as bad they have to play the drop off from them is horrendous especially when Gomez

7:55Theo:is actually playing right back

7:56Reev:even Alisson do you think Alisson should have saved that penalty he's such a short run up though he didn't guess he didn't guess though the keeper's left it too late he hasn't guessed but he's gone to save it because it's so powerful it's a powerful pen from Calvert-Lewin I'd want my goalie to save that I think it's right by him

8:14Lewis Bowden:how much do you reckon he goes for in January? Salah how old is he? Saudi probably 200 mil I don't know who's going to buy him? who else is going to buy him? I think they get rid of him for like 40-50 mil because they want his wages gone as well if he's playing shit and he's not going to be playing at all if he's on like 350 grand a week

8:35Theo:surely

8:37Reev:the player who probably should be more angry is Andy Robertson why? Kirk is his shit

8:42Lewis Bowden:yeah but you have to trust in the long term sort of vision of the tour Salah was the best in the league last year. That's a huge thing. But like I say, Salah hasn't been good since about March. Like, terrible. Yeah, yeah. Because he was supposed to break the... Yeah, he was terrible towards the end of last season. And what's going to turn around? He has to make a big change and like, who else are you going to change in that squad? It's Salah's an obvious one. And also, they're scoring goals. The issue's not that end. Yeah, that's true.

9:10Reev:Also, is this...

9:11Lewis Bowden:On like a personal level

9:13Reev:within the... Personal level! Exactly. is it not just like mad awkward in the change room they said he's in training now and he's not going to Milan but is it not just really awkward nah I don't know if one of us here came around and started fucking slagging off the lads are like you'd talk about it all wouldn't you it's not like they're sat there it's not like they'll be sat there not talking like they'll be talking about it it's not like it's only awkward if no one said it

9:37Lewis Bowden:it would probably be awkward between Salah Salah and the manager but I think the players I don't Let's not stick together a little bit. Also, Salah's probably the alpha mile in that dressing room. Van Dyke. He's the alpha. Van Dyke, man. I'd probably say Salah's got more like... I don't know how I feel like... He's got a lot of credit in the bank to be miserable, hasn't he? Yeah, Van Dyke spoke on this anyways as well.

10:02Reev:Van Dyke said about this a couple of weeks ago, he needs Salah, doesn't he? He needs Salah to be the leader. Yeah. He needed him. The other one in the pitch. He's throwing his dummy out. It was a great game anyway. I'd fucking love to see it. More of this from Liverpool. It's class. I'm quite excited. You know how he name-dropped Carragher in the interview as well? I'm quite excited for Monday Night Football tonight.

10:18Lewis Bowden:But even that, I don't understand what he's beefing.

10:21Reev:He said Carragher's going to have a go at me again for not playing well.

10:24Lewis Bowden:Is that what he said? All Carragher's said this season about Salah is he thinks in the away games, he should be on the bench, but he'd start him in the home games just because of his age and this and that. He also expects a bit more from him. What's wrong with that? It happens to the best of us, Salah, and I know you're watching. You're just old. Basically, stop being a titty-bubby.

10:42Theo:and they're not having a live and direct interview with him are they with Carragher are they he's on Man No No Football tonight who is Carragher Sal is in studio

10:52Reev:no

10:53Theo:actually Madison's in the studio that's what I'm asking is he speaking already too much just addressing the situation by the way he's on with Madison

11:01Reev:is Madison going to speak on the situation probably yeah yeah they'll ask him on it won't he that's mental isn't it not really I think football's brought in a good way during the season that's kind of they're trying to make

11:10Theo:it more transparent for everyone but that's cool You've got a current player

11:14Reev:Talking on a current situation He's a YouTuber

11:17Lewis Bowden:He might not He might go I don't want to comment on it He'll touch on it a bit I like the way it's going With where we're actually Getting personalities Back into football Yeah I like that I like him complaining To the press All this shit It's beast mode Except if it was A Newcastle player I'd be fucking livid But this is what happens When you bring a snake Into your team They breed They breed Lou that's so hard They breed What did I say

11:40Reev:You said you You called Salah a snake by bringing him into the team when he first signed. What did I say? No, I didn't. You said this is what happens when you bring a snake into the team. Yeah, he's talking about Isaac. Yeah, it rubs off on people. He's talking about Isaac. I thought you were referring to Salah as a snake. I was well confused. No, that would have been like nine years ago. So you think Isaac coming in has caused this? It's a possibility. You bring a snake. Hey, lads, you bring a... It's just giving people more ego in the changes. You bring a fox. You bring a fox into the rabbit hutch.

12:07If the rabbits die, who are you pointing a finger at? It's the fox. That is true. That's just common sense though, isn't it? Common sense, not assigning a little snick.

12:14Theo:They don't necessarily eat each other in the changing rooms though. They just put the green.

12:19Reev:You put a hungry tiger in a cage with a weak human and the weak human dies. Who are you pointing the finger at? Anyway, moving on. Yeah, moving on.

12:25Theo:You got very happy by the end of the day. Wait, what game were you on about here?

12:29Lewis Bowden:What game was it? Was it? Aston Villa 2-1.

12:33Reev:Lewis, can I say it's a bit odd that you celebrated a Champions League contender team's goal like that and getting three points. Oh yeah.

12:39Theo:He was actually like, you were on low power mode for the entire second half. Yeah, I had a banging headache. But I'll tell you what, I saw all I needed to see from Arsenal so far this season. Genuinely. No, I'm going to pay attention. The cracks are appearing. You've been so good this season. So ruthless, defensively minded. And like when people start to hate on the way you play, that's when you know you're onto something good because you're being so dominant. But I'll tell you what, this is all I needed to see just before Christmas. See one crack still not sealed up. It's a big crack. And I tell you what, if I'm not Arsenal, that crack is fucking large.

13:12Sorry? You ain't going to get large. That crack is going to get penetrated. You have big blood. No, I swear down, like, if yous are cracking right now. Do you not think, though? The bottle has come early. It's a little, they've opened the cup.

13:24Theo:Not being involved is probably our biggest detriment. It's two points, isn't it? It's two points, yeah.

13:30Reev:That's the bill of three points. Do you not think, though, like, if you actually... You were terrible. If you circle back in and zoom out a little bit it's actually just not the end of the world. We're not going to win every game for the rest of our life. You're winless in your last three away games. Yeah, that's not ideal, Tom. But what I'm saying in general is we're not going to go and win every single fucking football game. No, but you know

13:50Lewis Bowden:a massive issue is the way you played the weekend teams now won't fear you. They got physically dominated I'll say throughout the entire year. Teelumann's was unbelievable. He is unbelievable though.

14:02Reev:But I think we have a serious issue in the 10 here and Eze was honking as well No I know but remember he came he was on the left here Tom but he's been playing so well in the 10 as of reason he has been playing well in the 10 that's his position he's not a left winger He's had a few good games but that's when he plays in the 10 but the point is because Odegaard's club captain Arteta can't drop him because we also know Odegaard on his day can be amazing but we've been better with Eze in the 10 and Martin Elio Trossard on the left Trossard come on Sosad came on scored and came off but Theo he can drop him he's the manager he can drop him if he doesn't deem his performances why did he occur at start he's still returning to fitness I think just Marino and also Marino's best strike in the world Tom to be honest I think you's genuinely got I was saying it on stream just so out fought at every second ball whenever you try to progress from the back and to ask him his half they'd beat you off the ball it was genuinely physically physically and out fought throughout the end of the game we had this discussion

15:00Theo:after the cameras ended for the stream you can pick player by player bases but there were a lot of the Arsenal players that didn't Declan Rice and that's it Declan Rice and that's it it's true even Jokeres came on supposedly supposed to be this like big muscly target forward he got pushed on his ass as soon as he came on by his centre back I'm not like I'm not making this up like I was seeing it throughout the stream like you know what was an issue which

15:23Reev:ultimately we didn't get punished by but we could have been punished by how much space Ollie Watkins had when he was peeling off him happy he had He had so much space every time and the ball didn't find him the hole. Tim is not a second.

15:36Theo:You're talking about players that have never started together in centre-bait. No, but Hinkapi is poo-poo. At the one point he was dribbling out and we were all cheering his tackle. Then he ran it out for throwing under no pressure. We're like, what the fuck's he doing?

15:48Reev:It just shows the levels of Saliba and Gabriel.

15:49Theo:But just having one of them. I think one of them just...

15:53Reev:So that goes the whole depth thing. Oh, we have the depth now. No, but they're not first-true centre-halves. So when someone fills in with like a Saliba or Gabriel, I think that's fine. No, I understand what you're saying. If they're both fat, then we're fucked. I understand what you're saying, but your backup centre-backs are still supposedly top quality in the Premier League. Everyone's going to have injuries. You still have better depth than every other team in the league. I do agree, yeah.

16:14Theo:There's no chemistry between the newbies that have never played together before. That's the issue.

16:19Reev:Yeah, I agree with that. It's a mess. I think ultimately, there's just been frailties at the back, which is understandable. And I think, you know, we've got to go away. Is it away to Wolves next week? Or is it home? At home to Wolves. Three points there. yeah it is cheers mate so you know and you've seen the likes of City Chelsea slipping up Villa are probably the ones who most look like they can probably do business so you're two points off you've seen them they've also been isn't it quite weird they drop points to Newcastle St James' Park which is like a tricky game

16:48Theo:Emery said he's not going to consider a title race until later obviously you're going to say that

16:52Lewis Bowden:Villa are not in a title race I think City oh I'd love City to get a title to you

16:59Theo:I mean he'd be

17:01Lewis Bowden:you honestly think Villa can win the league are we being serious let me tell you about the team let me say about the team I don't think Villa

17:09Theo:will win the league but currently you're not out of the race

17:10Reev:I think they'll finish in the top four the five points clear of Chelsea are Chelsea in the entire race no well there you go Villa are Chelsea were in the title race a few weeks ago

17:21Theo:everyone saw Chelsea

17:22Reev:in the title race a few weeks ago

17:23Theo:I tell you what

17:24Reev:you sure I'm saying why aren't Villa now in the title race because they're not good enough they are proving to be good enough they've just beaten arguably the best team in Europe hmm well not after that performance well that is arguable what I will say is you have shown Man City all they wanted to see heading into Christmas yeah you have given them that you have built and honestly what's going to make Man City stronger is showing you's weaker they're going to the actual winners they're champions they'll smell blue when they smell beer they'll and this isn't taking a dig but they will they will come together Harlan being there it's like lads it's arse and that is

17:57Lewis Bowden:that is what they're going to be saying I swear to God Philip Foden's absolutely firing he's styling on them as well talk about Cherky by the way

18:04Reev:when I say at the start of this season I say he's a fucking real deal boys did you I did say that from that one training click as well no I've followed him for a few years he's like streets won't forget before he was even forgotten his streets will be remembered Tom yeah I like it now that Rabona has actually made me like orgasm I think a little bit I love that you know it's good when Phil Foden's like

18:23Theo:he scores the goal

18:25Reev:he's a great header as well you know Cherky's got the most assists this season

18:28Theo:does he really

18:29Reev:until you said that.

18:31Lewis Bowden:How many? Don't know. Quite a lot. I think maybe... Have you guessed? Is this a guess? No, he's got most... He doesn't... How many? No, I think he would have checked. He does, yeah. See? There you go. I've got a joint boss with Goudins. Jesus, that's a fucking... Well... Hartman. Yeah.

18:49Reev:Hartman on four assists. Brody Nora. Exciting times from City, eh? They just are the formidable City, aren't they? By the way, Sunderland are no... That was a little banana skin, I thought. So they'd had some chances, though, as well.

19:03Lewis Bowden:Yeah.

19:03Reev:Donnarumma with a big save again.

19:06Lewis Bowden:It's the one cleared off the line as well.

19:07Reev:When you've got Phil Foden playing the way he's playing at the moment, surrounded by the likes of Dokku and Cherki and obviously Haaland up top. And now they've got the bloody centre-half scoring. Worldies. What's going on there?

19:19Theo:The point we were raising a couple of weeks ago have been like, oh, you can't beat them because Haaland's scoring every week. He's not scored in like three games. They still win 3-0. They're not that good, though.

19:29Lewis Bowden:they're beatable you know they've got a lot of great

19:31Reev:individual talent which makes up for a lot

19:33Lewis Bowden:yeah I'll be I'll be amazed if City win the league I just don't who do that I still think Arsenal will I still think Arsenal are two good yeah Arsenal have already won it yeah of course

19:45Theo:which is why it's not a bottle because it's still

19:47Lewis Bowden:oh if you don't win this league title mate oh my god it's going to be amazing if you're new to the show and you haven't been here for the last couple seasons trust me you're in for a great great time this might be the finest ending to a season we've had yet every year we're treated to an even better bottle and now this year it's been great

20:01Theo:if Arsenal do win the league are you just going to be the most upset if you do oh yeah I'll be sore sad I saw a funny

20:07Reev:do you know what I saw I saw a funny tweet I saw a funny tweet that was like it would be the most Arsenal thing ever to win the league and be overshadowed by England winning the World Cup

20:14Theo:oh good point

20:16Reev:it's a funny tweet that what is it Declan-Ros Ballon d 'Or in that case oh Marino Ballon d 'Or if Spain win it well if England win the World Cup no Spain win it I just said if Spain win it but Man City go away to Real Madrid this week this week and then away at Crystal Palace as well so two tough fixtures back to back

20:31Theo:Palace is an interesting one though because obviously they still have a European game midweek so notoriously quite poor after European fixtures yeah Shalom they got something quite soon against first of January straight back there yeah a lot of the teams well you've you've Burnley in a couple weeks as well do we? yeah pretty smart the fixtures yeah we should be on a nice run Bruno G scored from a corner Lou by the way he fucking meant that as well he tried it again the corner after He did try it again the next goal.

20:57Lewis Bowden:That goalkeeping is fucking horrific. Yeah. How the fuck are you letting in a corner? I'm surprised we got away with it because Gordon Barge is in his back a bit and normally they're so light on keepers. So I'm glad they didn't. No, there's fuck all in there. What an absolute dick. I'll tell you what though, we still show, I don't know what our problem is seeing games out. Have you seen the chance at the end? They could have. It's a huge problem. I don't know what the fuck we're doing. Yeah, well, we give away a penalty and then instantly, honestly, when we give away the penalty, it's 2-1. I'm like these are going to get a goalie and they were so close was it a lack of what?

21:30Guile? I think it's when something happens I think it's when something happens you used to know about this when something happens lots and lots it starts like it starts becoming a thing so the players when that's like Liverpool because he did last minute it plays in your head that's what it is when that Burnley gets the penalty it's everyone around the stadium shitting themselves the players know what's going to come all some were really panicking

21:52Lewis Bowden:it's just a nervous vibe but we also it's like Liverpool when that fucking was it nine minutes you can just tell they were like also where did that come from by the way it's just some fans as well

22:02Theo:and everything that comes from killed the entire away section

22:04Lewis Bowden:and also the own fans lift it's just it is one of them if we saw it out this season we'd be so like we miles up the table but we haven't seen games on the issue you've got now Lou

22:11Reev:is that your next two fixtures are both away Leverkusen and Sunderland honestly I'm not too concerned Sunderland's next Sunday isn't it I can't wait for it it's huge that Whistle came on got 20 minutes didn't really do too much but Whistle's bad Did he do anything? Will he start? No, he had a bit of link up, but it didn't really come to link up. Will he start the derby? No, he won't start, I don't think. So what should... Maybe, it depends how ready he is. Like, they might start him. If Vultemar plays full 90 minutes against Leverkusen. I don't know how... So what's your thoughts

22:39Lewis Bowden:going into next Sunday then? Come on. How are you feeling about it? Oh, no. I don't get nervous. On my TikTok, I keep seeing, like, compilations of it. I'm, like, very excited. It's good to have her back. And Sunderland got a full week rest as well. Part of me is happy that it's going to be a proper game. It's not going to be Sunderland who was 19th, 20th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be a proper game. There's no excuses for the team is that. If you win, there's no like, oh, we're shit anyway. And some of them got all their players as well.

23:02Theo:Did you see Reggie Libri taking up? Reggie Libri! When they went 3-0 down, he just took off all of the players that are necessary for next weekend. Did he really? Yeah, yeah. So they've had a full week and a 30-minute rest. It's a massive fucking game. It's absolutely huge. And I am so glad to have it back. Don't get me wrong, I'm fucking scared of losing, but we could get dominated 5-0 midweek and lose five players to injury. No matter what, we have to win. It's Sunderland. There's no excuse. No, I'm not going to make an excuse after the game if we lose. If you lose. I think we lose. I think we lose.

23:33Oh! We just said! He knows! He knows what's coming! No, I didn't even mean that. I think we win. Sorry, 3-1.

23:41Theo:That's the whole point of a Freudian slip, mate. I think we win 3-1, yeah. 3-1? we've massively improved with the fullbacks coming in Liverpool's taken a bit of a knock which is a worry how many do they even concede more than like two at home mate this isn't a normal game though it's going to be like it's not going to be just it's going to be very emotional very will that not mean it'll be lower look show me wrong we could we could get lose 3-1 equally I think we'll I think we'll do it we're passion merchants and I think overall if you look at the teams we're just so significantly better than

24:11Reev:if anyone wants any last five away games yeah but that was their last one wasn't it yeah but and again

24:17Theo:prior to that it was like fucking seven months I know but as well you don't want to look too much you shouldn't look too much into that in terms of Vltimane is now bedded in and now we have Whistler as a second option we have the full backs back I mean like which is massively improved so those previous away games don't really come into my mind if you look at

24:34Reev:Sunderland against the big six drew to Liverpool drew to Arsenal beat Chelsea lost to Man United or even drew to Asevilla they win the big they get a point This will be one of our hardest games of the season. Like, it's a very hard place to go. And, mate, if you think they've rose to the occasion at home in previous games, this game's going to be fucking mental. And that's my only concern is, like, how our players handle the sort of situation. With your passion merchants, you said. They've been in Champions League games. I know what's going to happen. Cup finals. Anthony Gordon red cost. They can't handle it.

25:07Bruno G red cost. This is what I'm worried about. It's us being silly with it. Or if we happen to go one goal down, panicking and going in and like one of your players getting set off and it's either Gordon or Bruno

25:18Lewis Bowden:I reckon you should wear Sunderland top next pod if you lose I'm curious what do you think the score's going to be how do you think without trying to wind me up

25:27Theo:I think it'll be a one-all draw

25:28Lewis Bowden:I think it'll be a draw a draw would be so annoying 2-0 it's a draw I think it'll be again it better be a boring 0-0 no it won't be I can't I could see it going either or genuine I could see any score I have to see any I wouldn't be surprised about anything would you come to the pod

25:47Theo:the following week if you lost 8-0 I have to really innit the next day

25:50Reev:to be honest I know you won't wear a Sunderland shirt but what goal margin will you have to lose by to wear a Sunderland shirt if you lose by more than 5 100-0

26:01Theo:yeah you write a personal apology to Reggie Libri the players would have to send an apology to us no I think we do it I'm confident we're playing How about if you lose

26:14Lewis Bowden:the next that night you have to tweet at Sunderland I'm sorry No Oh that's so far I'm not doing any shit like that You're going to fuck off No if I lose Why do you have a laugh once in your life I'm sorry You've already said it Whoa whoa whoa I actually support my team lads That's punishing Tweet in I'm sorry to Sunderland That's punishing enough us losing to Sunderland It's good having a laugh This is what I mean This is where I don't feel like you support us You do too much I'm not really in full mood of doing stuff like that. If you made a bet for a banter, would you tweet? No, I wouldn't do that.

26:45I wouldn't make that bet, though, because I'd be really annoyed. I don't give a fuck about Blues.

26:50Theo:We don't need to yet. We won our derby. No, but like, for example, you went full Tottenham kit in the Tottenham Stadium. I would never do that at Stadium of Shite. That's you boring. It's fucking funny. Yeah, boring, but I'm not doing that shit. Should we speak about that game itself, the Thomas Frank derby? Mate, I was actually fucking won the game.

27:05Reev:Oh, what's going on? You know, Javi Simmons is an interesting one, right? because we're doing a segment coming up soon and it's awkward timing, isn't it, really? Why? He played really well. He is really good. He's a good player. I know, he's a friend of the show as well. He has looked a bit, I don't think this year he's just looked a bit out of his depth, a bit weak, but now he's starting to come into it a little bit.

27:28Lewis Bowden:Yeah, it's just time. Those players, I think, just need time. You can see the quality of it. It's adapted to the speed of the prem, though, isn't it?

27:34Theo:I think it's just... Yeah, it's an entirely different... The pace and the power.

27:39Lewis Bowden:It's the physicality. That's all it is. But he's got some fucking ability. Spurs looked all right, didn't he? That goal was unreal. Yeah. Spurs, yeah. Spurs. They won at home. Yeah. That's what I said. Give Thomas Frank time. He's going to come good. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Where are they in the league?

27:56Reev:They are above Newcastle in 10th. Yeah. Joint and points. Above Newcastle in 10th. Okay.

28:02Theo:Yeah, he's got a point too far. What are you showing us here, Will? Premier League table.

28:06Lewis Bowden:Okay, nice one. will face a lot they've got the same record as Newcastle that's embarrassing

28:10Theo:mate they're only they're one win away from Chelsea one win from the top five it's so congested mad isn't it it's a mental league no one's really stringing together two men like stringing like the four if you look at the four no team's really except for the Everton look at that what are Arsenal looking like if you scroll up please Will it'll be four wins oh no it'll be draw draw oh well you have Aston Villa fucking hell

28:33Reev:told you Villa in some form mate

28:35Theo:mate they're going to win the league There she might. Touching on Everton anyway. Do you know Barry finally scored? He did indeed. He's crap. He's shitting. No, he works hard, man. Mate, he's shitting. So does my postman. I actually didn't even think he'd take that kind of finish as well. With the keeper coming out. He had no option, no, did he?

28:52Lewis Bowden:Are there a little ding? Nah, he ain't got that in his locker. They haven't had a good striker in fucking ages. What was the last good striker Everton's had? Cavaloon now. Come on. You can form Cavaloon. We're not counting. Le Dung. Rooney. Lukaku. Rooney. Lukaku Lukaku's the last good striker they've had nah they had Tim Cahill Rondon no that was not even the good Rondon Tim Cahill we had the good Rondon no we had the good Rondon

29:18Reev:yeah we had a decent by the way is Jules B. Hall maybe the best player in the world he's playing really well he's really beast mode friend of the show he's on major beast mode at the moment well done friend of the show

29:25Lewis Bowden:yeah for Kiernan I love you mate you're giving me some FL points bud have you got him gotcha oh fuck every week not every week every week every fucking week him and Foden oh Captain Foden did you actually

29:38Reev:oh he's on a resurgence

29:41Lewis Bowden:Tommy G's coming back I don't know I'm when you're in place

29:44Reev:I'll get James's points off the bench I've got Bruno hat-trick tonight anyway so I'm fine Forest in a bit of a pickle

29:50Theo:they look a little bit they are 17th yeah I mean Leeds getting a result against Liverpool has kind of brought them back into the fray but do you think they're going to go down who? Forest no or do you think they're too good

30:02Reev:I think if you look at their last Premier League results beat Leeds beat Liverpool lost to Brighton beat Wolves lost to Everton they're just like bing bong bing bong I'd love it

30:11Lewis Bowden:I'd love it if they did but I don't think they will

30:13Reev:I think they'll be alright

30:13Lewis Bowden:I still think it'll be Leeds and Burnley do Forest fans still give you a little bit of riff raff nah I think they've accepted I was right what can they what can they really say they're even worse than I predicted actually I was wrong they're even shitter

30:32Theo:even if they go down that's a fucking ginormous

30:35Lewis Bowden:I mean they'll have to kiss my feet if that happens every single one of them at the city ground with a strap on Jesus Christ

30:44Theo:you spoke about Rhys James points there Chelsea Bournemouth 0-0

30:48Reev:boring

30:49Theo:such a bad game wasn't it do you know what as soon as that Semenya goal got ruled offside I was like this is going to just dissipate the entire

30:56Reev:Rhys James didn't play did he or did he play yeah I didn't watch it yeah Rhys James played

31:01Lewis Bowden:there was nothing it was fuck all to see watch you

31:03Reev:The Bournemouth have not won in six games. Yeah, they're fucking on fraud watch. Yeah, they started off really hot now. They've just official fizzled out. Mate, they were in a title race. We're taking lights, please. Frank's off fraud watch. We're taking him down. We're resting him. For one game? Yeah. That's how quick you're... It's not one game, is it? It's been six games.

31:22Theo:No, his Thomas Frank off fraud watch is now... That's how it works. They can only be one person on fraud watch. Oh, I see. Wait, is it not Salah? Salah not on fraud watch? Nah. What about Isaac? well I feel sorry for him at this point fucking kind of a permanent slot on there he is fucking you see him try by the way you see him try head the ball and bounce over his head yeah yeah he's shit him

31:43Lewis Bowden:what is going on with Bournemouth he's just they're just one of those teams aren't they it's just a standard mid-time Premier League team they'll have good runs they'll have bad runs is this true about Semenyo's release clause as well 60 mil isn't it apparently he goes down in the summer he's gone him

31:57Reev:I think Arsenal should go in for him

31:59Lewis Bowden:yeah spend more money that's the way

32:01Reev:yeah that's how you do it that's how you win titles Tom you spend loads of money since September

32:06Theo:didn't really do much though

32:07Lewis Bowden:who? it's good moving forward Palmer yeah that's huge for them how many

32:13Theo:is one more game for Kaisader and then he's back is that what the

32:16Lewis Bowden:pretty much they're missing him heavily aren't they yeah they are yeah he's one more game yeah they're a different team aren't they without him literally I love the creme table this year it's mad isn't it you're just everyone's so tightly passed

32:27Reev:you get two wins and you're just in the top four literally

32:29Theo:that's it it's all beast mode doesn't that kind of apply to Crystal Palace where are they currently there's three points

32:35Reev:there's three points separating 12th and 5th yeah Palace beating Fulham 2-1 huge result for Fulham for Palace

32:42Theo:I enjoyed that game with another goal involved I enjoyed both of those games

32:45Lewis Bowden:yesterday yeah

32:47Theo:look the Bryan one as well

32:49Lewis Bowden:yeah the second half of the Bryan game was really good I thought and Ketya took his goals so well he did but those boots are horrific they're like some EA sports they're so shit New gens, mate. They're so bad. But wait, did he... Gage header was class as well.

33:04Reev:Did you see Adam Morton? Fuck yeah, mate. Oh, what a fucking player. How about Wilson's goal? He only scores well, dude.

33:11Theo:Oh, yeah. That's the outside of the boot as well, mate.

33:15Lewis Bowden:He's a horny player. I like him. If you have to describe a horny player, I've got him in my field. Harry Wilson. What? For this week. You had him already. No, I've got him... Oh, you brought him in. Oh, he brought him in. Knee jerk. No, he's just worth it, man. Every time he plays, he scores a risk. He's class.

33:29Reev:He only scores weldies. I've never seen him score a tap-in. I have. Off his cock. Fucking that's so welding. What do you think of Rotter's equaliser? It's not just a bit bullshit. Should have been disallowed. Do you think? Do you know the different phase of

33:41Lewis Bowden:play? Oh, fuck off. It's like a second after. You know what? You know if he scored the ball with his arm in the box? If he scored the It shouldn't matter if he meant it or not.

33:52Theo:I'm only playing the other side of the argument. Oh no, he was doing devil's advocate. It was given as accidental, which you can definitely see. It's also a high foot. Yeah, it should have been through his accident. He controlled it with his arm. That's not the rule anymore, though.

34:05Reev:If he scored the first shot, it gets disallowed. That's bullshit, then. Yeah. And also, even if they're rules, it's still a high foot. The bunch kicked the ball at six foot five in the air. Yeah, yeah.

34:17Theo:Because the play carried on and then it was from like a second phase after when he handled it, he scored from that. It should have been disallowed. They didn't even look at the high foot.

34:25Reev:That's how it ever works.

34:27Theo:The VAR was so engrossed in the handball. Get the goal. I'm sure Lewis. I'm all seeing it. Yeah, no, but in our game, like the player went on ages. Oh, what about you? Me, me, me. I'm saying they pulled it back there. So like, I don't know. This first phase, second phase thing's bullshit. How tall is that Fulham centre-half?

34:40Reev:Who is it? This is, honestly. Who was the centre-half? This is number one bullshit. Is it about Mavropanos or Tudy? Oh, Mavropanos, sorry. Yeah, not Fulham. There's a lot of last minute sort of goals. Mate, he's at least 6 '2 or something. Mavropanos. He's tall.

34:51Lewis Bowden:There was a foul. He lied with his head. There was the high foot and the hand ball. I can't believe they allowed it. Yeah, if you're West Ham, you're livid. I heard the high foot. Absolutely livid.

35:01Theo:What a goal from Bowen as well.

35:03Reev:Yeah, it's filthy. Bowen is so good.

35:04Theo:Brighton were definitely worse than them as well. And they've still got a point.

35:07Reev:Mate, West Ham need that. Watch this. West Ham need that though. They need it. They need it, I tell you. They need it. We're just reacting to the Brighton last minute EPL here. Here it comes. Which is showing Lewis. Look at this high foot here, Lou. Ready? Look at this. Bash.

35:25Lewis Bowden:Fucking hell. And then he controls it there with his arm, and then it comes back through me, and he scores. Yeah. How is that even second phase? That's the same fucking... They're still in the box.

35:35Reev:Because it wasn't directly after him. They didn't even look at the high foot because they were so engrossed in the handball.

35:38Lewis Bowden:This is what I tweeted after. I was like, I now don't understand the rules, then. I don't understand the rules. It's from the immediate... That's not consistent at all. It's bullshit. It's really not consistent. Who signed this off on this is now the law? that look how he's controlled it with his fucking arm in the box it's not even that they haven't even looked at the high foot i think they did but they just said it's um deemed accidental i know he's bullshit but that is ridiculous i don't mind that he's not looking he doesn't know he's there and i don't think we should discourage overhead kicks no but you've got

36:08Reev:he's almost he's nearly booted even in the head and he's by around me i hear that rule maverick has jumped for the header and been booted but what if someone's just five foot I do agree with you. But they're not. It's a high foot. Hypothetically,

36:20Lewis Bowden:if someone's five for five,

36:21Reev:that's different then. He's 6 '2". He's probably taller than that. You also get high boots for way less than that.

36:27Lewis Bowden:Yeah.

36:27Reev:This is all run around, squat jogging then, getting high boots everywhere. He's fucking jumped in the air. Mate, his foot's about six foot five in the air. I think keep overhead kicks. Any high boot, yeah, whatever, but it's overhead kick, allow it. Okay, what if any boots in West Ham desert? Square in the air.

36:40Lewis Bowden:So then any ball in the air, just go up and try it over. Imagine they stop Rooney's overhead kick. High foot, mate. It's no way near a header. It's not near a header. Even if it was, it's a class fucking goal. You're allowed to put your foot high on a pitch. It's not near someone's head. It's just not next to a head. I don't like that rule. If I could get one of the rules.

36:59Theo:It ends up looking like an anime. If I could get rid of one rule,

37:02Lewis Bowden:it's that. If I could get rid of one person on the show, it's you.

37:05Theo:Sorry. Cartoons? The album. Fuck you now.

37:08Reev:Well, on that note, guys, that's the Premier League review. Signing out. Peace, love, and techers. Carry on with the listening podcast. If you're listening right now Hope your car journey's going great. And if that is you, Greg, listening, hi.

37:21Theo:Greg. You say a name and then people will go, fucking ask me. Right then, guys. Well, on that note, let's do our top 10 worst signings of the season. Now, last week we did our best 10. Now it's time for the other side of the coin, the worst 10. Yeah. Who wants to go first?

37:38Reev:Theo, you go first. You put your hand up. 10th position for me, I was torn between two, but I have got Xavi Simmonds in 10. not good timing because of how good he played at the weekend. I just thought other than the weekend, he's a good player. He just has taken his time to settle and he's looked a bit weak, a bit out of his depth. I think he'll come good but from basically what I've seen up until this weekend. Yeah.

38:01Theo:And he was 52 million quid. I'll let you in on a little secret. I've also included him for the hype that he came with.

38:07Reev:But he's also a friend of the show so I feel a bit bad. It's a little secret that. In nine, but none of you got this guy. We're doing Spacebar again. I've got Brozier. I've got him Oh Really? 100 % Oh And I've never agreed with you more in my life Shit By the way he's Burnley's Will Will Will Baseball Will Fuck 20 million quid He's Burnley's second most expensive signing of all time He's played 15 minutes Has he been injured? I know he's played 15 minutes a game every time he's played He's played like a handful of games 15 minutes every time That is pretty bad Burnley's second most expensive signing behind Chukwuezy Yeah but how much is that Like 10 mil 20 million Brogia Chukwazy No Uga Chukwu Uga Chukwu Yeah Chukwazy's In a I know it's a loan But allow me I've got Harvey Elliott And there's a reason Friend of the shore He's a friend of the shore Why are we doing that Friend of the shore Because I'll tell you why Tom Because he's It's an obligation to buy And I've done some digging Of why he's not playing Well because it's after A certain amount of appearances So He can move in January so he can't move in January to another club because in case he wanted to get some game time elsewhere he can't move in January because he's already played for Liverpool this season and he can't play for more than two clubs a season so he's stuck at Aston Villa until the end of the year unless they cancel his loan but if he plays more than 10 games for Villa it's made permanent and he's currently I think on five games so he's basically stuck in limbo he can't play for Villa because then it'll be made permanent and they don't want him permanent he can't go to another club because he's already played for two clubs he could go abroad he could go abroad Napoli could go to Napoli I guess they'd have to cancel the loan probably pay a fine or whatever do you know what I mean so it's not for someone who's so talented I'm confused as why he's friends of the show do you know what I mean I wish him all the best nice guy in 7 I got James Trafford 31 million pound bought to be first choice keeper lost his spot almost immediately no fault with his own we might go back in for him really that's the rumours in 6 I do have your boy Visa 55 million I know he's been a bit injured but it's probably his own fault for going on strike and not really doing a preseason I mean, I don't have, but it's like, I don't mind it.

40:16It's just been an awful sign for now, hasn't it? It's also just like, even if he goes on, like the amount of money he was, call his age and his injury, it's tricky.

40:24Reev:And it's no fault of his own as well. Well, we had to just do it. In five, I've got Frimpong. He doesn't look that good. He's injured long-term at the moment. He only played nine times. He was in your best silence, wasn't he? At the start of the season. Yeah. Everyone thought he was brilliant last year. I love the cruising. In four, I've got your boy, Alanga. 55 million quid I feel like fourth is harsh Jacob Murphy still keeps He's a Langer He was unreal last year You think he should be higher? I think he should be lower 55 million quid mate Jacob Murphy still starting over He's been awful He's actually been shocking Langer started He's definitely struggled He's improved He's been bought to replace Jacob Murphy And Jacob Murphy's still Keeping him out of the team One game mate Come on He's 55 million quid He's been shocking I'm trying to respond

41:13Theo:no no I'm going to help Anthony Lange is that bad that Arna Slott said that they need a profile like Jacob Murphy no that's Jacob Murphy being that good no Lange is just taking like Jacob Murphy's a guy who's been in the team for years now he knows the system like Lange has taken a bit longer than we hope but he's improving I don't think I'm not saying he shouldn't be in this but saying he's the fourth worst signing like he is going to come good he's already improving that's what I

41:38Reev:said about I think Javi Simmons will come good and I think he's starting This is the argument about Esteval, though, wasn't it? We always disagree on how we do the list. In three, I've got Kerkhez. I just thought he hasn't got the excuse of not being able to settle in the Premier because he's played in the Premier and he's brilliant last year. It's just a step up. You should be able to handle it. £40 million as well. And then top two, I think, is unanimous. Two, I've got Verts. £116 million. You're paying that much you need him to come in. Do you think he still gets player of the season? No. He's not scoring or getting any assists.

42:10Reev:You're£116 million. I don't even blame Vert anymore I'll send you the video I've seen the other day He could have scored 10 goals if he passed it Last couple of weeks he's actually been alright But you need more from that price If I show you this compilation I agree exactly but if I showed you this compilation You'd realise Even his goal was an own goal And one I got Isaac That's crazy 125 million He scored twice all year How many in the prep? He's unfit he's the opposite no he's fit now Slott said he's fit he's blunt not sharp

42:44Lewis Bowden:I don't think he's I don't think he's unfit Slott said he was fit

42:48Reev:weeks ago

42:49Theo:he's just not very good without Jacob Murphy

42:51Reev:maybe it's that so there you go guys yeah see you later thanks for coming well I think that's very harsh on the Isaac very harsh

42:57Lewis Bowden:you've been very harsh Simon very harsh

42:59Theo:well I know one of them he's going to include anyway so let's just like 10th I've got a longer in 10 yeah I put him 10 yeah there's some self-awareness there I think he's in there but I feel like it's yeah I feel like not everyone's just going to jump in and understand the system straight away and take to it. He clearly hasn't. Ninth Trafford, eighth Amari Hutchinson, how the fuck he spent that much money on him who said at the start of the season.

43:20Reev:Tell him again, Lou. He played good last week, though. Yeah, I know, but like, I know what you mean. The problem for him is he has to play so good to justify that price tag. It's not even a slant on him. He's still young. He's still young. Which is sort of Elanga's issue as well. Seventh, Sesko. He's just poo-poo at the moment, isn't he? For the amount of money he came for. That's who I was tossing up for number 10. Tossing off? Tossing off. Fucking hell. Was he 73 million quid? You can tell you're a gooner. Yeah, nice one. Fucking fool for every time. Sixth, Barry. Not Gareth. Oh, I think that's a bit harsh.

43:52Reev:Are you joking? He's gone against us. No, he tries hard. He's gone against us.

43:56Lewis Bowden:What is your... Trying hard. He's not a fucking stray cat. How much was he? Like 25 mil? Like 27. He had a sit against us. It was ruled off in the end and he scored but he scuffed the fuck out of it. He's crap. He's crap. He's so bad. I like him, man. Fifth, Hermansen. Yeah. He's lucky that Beto's even worse. Like, that's the only thing he played.

44:20Reev:Oh, yeah. What's Hermansen brought in to be number one, though?

44:23Lewis Bowden:Yeah, and he's fucking shit.

44:24Theo:And he was so bad. He's so bad. Ariola just came back. You got Ariola in goal? Yeah. Wanna roll the guise, though? Got a samurai trim as well. God, this might be a top ten list of Lewis's time ever. What? What the fuck? what the fuck is that all that's got him bro all that's got him um fourth fourth I've got fourth I've got Kirkhaz third um friend of the show Jin Sancho yeah um he was alone though so I think putting him third yeah but putting him third as alone is a bit hard but do you know when it's like it's like me seeing a blender right it's like me seeing a blender seeing it turned on and then going he played at the weekend yeah I agree but like

45:00Lewis Bowden:it's a free trance he played a part in their goal the weekend that made Arsenal lose yeah so apologies Sancho you are now the best sign of the season second I have Brogier Theo I back you so fucking hard here lads I am sick to death of fucking Brogier why is he getting non-stop teams this guy what did you say that's your second yes he is fucking shit he is beyond shit let me when do you think it was the last time he scored a goal in the Premier League when was the last time he scored a goal three years ago

45:33Theo:I'm not listening to that part I'm just I'm curious for Everton. 23-24 season. He scored one. He said he scored one out of 13 with Chelsea. Since then, he's been a Fulham, Everton, Everton again, Burnley, doing fuck all. Do you know when's the last time he scored more than one goal in a season? Never. 21-22 with Southampton. This guy, look at this. No goal, no goal, one goal, no goal, one goal, one goal, no goal, no goal, no goal. He's shit.

46:01Reev:He must have a good agent though. I don't know. I think he's just one of those teams for Muttings. I think he's second most Burnley expensive signing ever. He's one of those players where it's like, oh, well, we're a shit team. Who do we sign up front? Borussia. That's his strapline on his grave, mate.

46:16Theo:Ah, ah, mate. He's Burnley's gravestone. Second most expensive Burnley signing ever. He's wank.

46:22Lewis Bowden:Yeah, I think players like that because they've got a reputation. When they come through at clubs like Chelsea or like Man United, they get like, they seem to get a free pass. It's amazing. They play for Chelsea. Yeah, it's weird. Mate, I'd love to sit down with Scott Parker and say, out of those 10 games he played last year for Everton, what convinced you that you'd sign him and he'd be good for you? He scored none. I doubt he signed him. That's why he stopped playing him for a reason. He's the worst signing. If any club keeps signing him in the Premier League, they should be sacked.

46:52Theo:Right. And then your number one is? Well, it's Alexander Izak. So where's Verts? Yeah. Do you not think Verts is the top 10 worst?

46:58Lewis Bowden:No. For 116 million, not a goal or a assist in the Premier League.

47:03Theo:So he's out being the record transfer. I put him in 11. I put him in 11. No, genuinely, honestly, you need to see this compilation. I've seen a Vertis this season.

47:10Reev:He's 160 million quid and hasn't got a goal right here. No. He's 0015. He genuinely would have scored 10 goals this season. Yeah, but could have. Could have. No, but he's in the correct, honestly, you've seen this video. He's in the correct position. He's creating the correct chances. He's missing chances as well, though, and he's been sloppy. I understand. I understand. I'm not saying that.

47:27Theo:You know if someone's bought for like 115 million as a 10, you want them to be contributing pretty much every other game at minimum I agree you can't just be like this guy that picks it up in midfield and doesn't actually score and assist you have to score and assist mate but this thing got like yeah you've had a stinker mate I just I think I think he will you put James Trafford in there because he got out outdone by Donnarumma who's arguably the best keeper in the world yeah he will become the cut list stop saying he will become Virts has been better than but he will we're not judging it in a year's time No, I'm not saying a year's time.

48:02I think even this season. What have you seen now? He's in 11th.

48:08Reev:Luke's 0014.

48:09Theo:You remember how Sancho got 007? You had a chance to put him in as well because you said bright. You and Sancho signed for like

48:15Reev:eight-year-old million quid. He got 007. I was like, oh my God, he's fucking shit. He's fucking shit. He's wasted transit. He's 0014 in the Prem. Vert is good. He's going to be good. And he's more morning. He's going to be good. More morning.

48:25Theo:You need to be creating and scoring goals for that amount of money in the Prem. Honestly, but like, jokes aside, he has Izak up front. I mean, like, what do you expect him to do? He's not going to be racking up assists when he has that. He's got Eketika up top, mate,

48:39Reev:more likely. More chances. Assist of assists, you know, that's a necessary contribute. I back Virts to become good. He's 11th. Incloring assists of assists. But that's not the list.

48:47Theo:It's current worst signings. I just disagree. I don't think he's top 10. I think he's a good... I still maintain... I don't know what you watch... I still maintain signing Virts is a good signing for having your team. Yeah, he's a great player. If I was Arsenal, if I was Arsenal, I still sooner would have signed Virts for that price. I'll go over as a... For half the price. The guy that dunked on Spurs with a hatchery. Because when you make a signing, I understand we're doing it primarily of how they do it right now. But it is the player that you have. Yeah, but does the financial amount not matter when you consider how bad it is?

49:20It does to an extent. She's been better than Virts. But I feel like that's not... What would you say Virts' valuation was going into before the transfer, pre-transfer? Probably about 100 mil, yeah. So it was 16 mil overspend.

49:32Theo:What? No, no, but that's... What are you watching? You buy the£100 million player for a£100 million result. Even£100 million, do you expect to get a goal or a system in 15 Premier League matches? I promise you, when we come back to this, he is surely... No one's not... No one's... No, no, it's the same way we're on about Javi Simmons. Vertical Goat have a fucking star on the next week. Why was Izac first out of interest then? Izac first because he is already used to the Premier League. He's been in the league, so that excuse is gone. he's been just to be fit that excuse is gone and also you've signed a player for 126 million who does have genuine serious injury problems as well as his performances

50:07Reev:when you get over 100 million price tag though that 10 million doesn't really mean much yeah you want someone's wealthy unfortunately

50:14Theo:when you sign someone for that amount you want stuff instantly pretty much what it costs 10 million pounds it's 10 million pounds it's not like oh we'll chuck another fucking 10 yeah but in football terms 10 million isn't a lot what I'm saying is quite logical in that I give Isak less time of grace because he has already been in the Premier League for many seasons so that excuse is gone we all agree with that that's my reason and also Isak is shit man we're not all about Isak we're all about Vert no no but he's brought up Isak I was just wondering why you thought I didn't bring up Isak no that was asking the logic as to why you thought he was there so Visser was I was close with Visser as well but like I feel like that's very harsh I think it'll still be a good time.

50:59Ilanga's in months. Go on then, Reeve.

51:01Theo:In 10, I've got Tyler Dibbling. 40 plus million pounds. A lot of money. Six games, not really done much for the hype. Similar, I mean, obviously, it's a bad week to say this, given the fact that he got a goal and assist. But Xavi Simmons are having nine. It's 52, 52? 52 million pounds. Eighth, Jadon Sancho hasn't kicked on, but again, it's a loan, so I didn't want to put him too high. And then seventh, I've got Omari Hutchinson for the same reason that Lou said. Just way too expensive. I don't understand the transfer fee originally sick John Arias might be one of the worst footballers I've ever properly he was nearly in mine

51:37Lewis Bowden:how much was he 20 nearly 30 mil actually no he wasn't that much 15 mil he's bad he is bad though mate they're the worst team ever in Premier Street it was almost

51:49Theo:it was almost like tainted as being a semi Kunya replacement and he's just

51:55Lewis Bowden:yeah he was the Kunya replacement. He was good for, was it Flamengo though? Was it the Club World Cup? Or was it Flamengo? I can't remember. Did he sign like three or four players in the CMT? Fluminese. He was called

52:06Theo:the Colombian Pele, wasn't he? Fifth Alanga. I don't understand like, not appreciating how bad he's been for the money.

52:14Lewis Bowden:I think it's... Especially with the hype. Everyone was saying what a sign and he's the perfect player for Newcastle. He was good last year as well. Yeah, well, my judgment of not putting him that high is just, as I say, I've seen him prove... No, I've seen him prove... Put him in. The ice would be not put him in. Just improvements week after week. I almost put Ramsey in for the same reason. But also he hasn't had that much game time. True. Ramsey would be harsh, I think.

52:34Theo:Fourth, Madsah Manson. Just horrendous performances in terms of... Am I sure they sign him for? I don't actually know. 10 mil? Nah. 20 mil. 20 mil, wasn't it? Three. Actually, my top three are all Liverpool. So three, I've got Kerkhez. Just not the same player that he was at Bournemouth. So confusing though, isn't it? Yeah. It's classful. He just looked well out of his depth. Isn't it amazing that everyone said they had an unbelievable window and now your top three are Liverpool players? On paper they did. Second, second for him, Virts. And then mainly just because of the price difference and him already being an established brand player, he's second, number one.

53:10Theo:Honestly, I can't tell you how happy it makes me because everyone just agrees how bad he is. Well, the price tag affects me. It just feels like... If he went to Liverpool for 30, he wouldn't be in the top. But it just makes me believe in karma so much. It's beautiful. You didn't want him... Sorry.

53:25Lewis Bowden:Right, 10th, I've got Jokeres. 9th, Gittins. Gittins? Yeah. Can we open up on Jokeres, please? How much I spent on him? 50 mil. Shit. Gittins was in and then out for me. Gittins in 9th, Fir Lopez in 8th. 24 mil, Wolves spent on him. I think he's made one or two, and he's already, he's so bad. I think he's out in January. When you actually look at the money Wolves spent in the summer and what they've got for it, it's fucking hilarious. 7th, Hutchinson, 6th Valanga 5th Sesco 4th Barry 3rd Kerkes 2nd Verts 1st Izak Can I ask a question? Yes What's your thoughts on your PSB in terms?

54:05Theo:So obvious that you're going to Well it's a football show I'm going to break down his list You don't agree with it though So what's your thoughts?

54:11Lewis Bowden:I think he's a waste of money What are you trying to turn on me It's his list? I think I just asked you I said I don't disagree with it I was thinking about it But I thought no I think the fact I don't buy that He wasn't fully fit the weekend if he was if you're spending 63 million on this best striker in Europe scoring all these goals he has to play that game at Villa and the fact he's playing a centre mid ahead of him still that's not good man that's not a good sign for me he could have just been not fit enough though especially when Arteta but he's fit enough to be on the bench so surely he's fit enough to start that's not how it works though is it that's not how it works why have you signed him if you're fit enough to play 30 minutes

54:44Reev:you're not going to start him and take him off for 30 minutes are you this is the argument

54:47Theo:that's true because this is the argument you gave about Lewis Hall not being able to start if he's fit enough to be on the bench he's fit enough which is not true so you're going against what you said about

54:56Lewis Bowden:he would have been fit enough to play at a half yeah no you are you have you're going against what you said

55:01Reev:Tom surely you're better off bringing on a striker who you think can impact the game rather than take him off at half time

55:06Lewis Bowden:I'd rather start my better player you'd rather he's playing Marino because he's been playing very well he's a centre mid Theo you've signed him for 63 why does he get such a pass I don't get it he's crap who Marino Jokeres he's crap he's not He is crap. He is? He's crap.

55:22Theo:I don't agree he's top 10 worst, though. I think that.

55:26Lewis Bowden:He's spent 63 million on this absolute bagsman, and he plays football. Even the Yerd like the trophy. He trips over the ball. He's crap. He is. He's a really average striker. Do you know what's funny? Because Arteta's in the press begging for Havertz to come back as well. Exactly. He's like, I cannot wait for Havertz to come back, so I don't have to play that piece of shit. Yeah, everyone wants Havertz back to you. That sack of potatoes. That's how bad it is. Havertz is crap as well. You would not be thinking about... Havertz is a crap striker. If Jokeres was good, you wouldn't even be thinking about Havertz right now.

55:54If Jokeres was flying, you'd be like, oh... I love Havertz's arsenal. I think he's been brilliant. No, I know, but if Jokeres was banging in goals, performing really well, Havertz wouldn't even really be that much of a thought.

56:02Lewis Bowden:Havertz fucking call it a barn door with a banjo. He's got good hold at play. I think that's not true. Jokeres is just not a big game. Are you joking? You think Havertz is a good finisher? I think he's a good player. Is he a good finisher? Yeah, he's a good striker, yeah. Is it? That's not what I'm asking. You think Habits is a good finisher? Fucking do, Tom. Brilliant, well done. Why are you getting so angry? Look at you. Why do you always do that? Why is your response to anything? Why are you getting angry? You are getting very passionate over this. Yeah, it's football. I enjoy talking about it.

56:29Lewis Bowden:But you can't quantify passion, Tom. Oh, yeah, true. Let me ask you a question then.

56:33Reev:If you were going to, you say you're umming and ahhing about putting, you don't think Jocker is the top 10, which is fair enough. Where would you put Wurt? Where would you put Wurt? Yeah, because he wasn't in your top 10. 11. so Jokeres would be actually yeah I probably just put Virts 12 you just said you'd be tossing up Jokeres in 11 that's the question I wasn't tossing off anyone what would you be unbiased who's been worse out of Jokeres in Virts well okay I will be unbiased now but when I say something negative about an Arsenal player please then don't start interrupting saying see you're being biased because I might I might actually believe it why are you getting angry but I agree with everything Tom said but the reason he's not in my top 10 is I I can see he will be useful for you I agree but yeah he can carry the water bottle so like he's just not a big game player you want to play it for a Brighton a Brighton second striker

57:23Lewis Bowden:don't that in itself is worthy I agree put him in we've spent 63 million on the top score in Europe but he's not a big game what the fuck have you signed him for then like yeah you're only moving you're only moving the goalposts after seeing him play in the league there's no one who brought him in at the start of the season and all Arsenal fans going yeah he won't do it in the big games but he'll do no when you had him you thought he was going to be there throughout only when you saw him as a player I never said I didn't yeah but that's how your opinions have to

57:51Theo:change when you watch something so you agree he looks like a sack of potatoes I don't think he's technical enough to be in the big games but against the smaller teams he actually crushed it do you think he's good technical on the ball do you think he's strong because I think he's actually weak as piss I think he's strong they're two different questions though I've seen him push off the ball I don't think he's technical but he is strong Aston Villa game. It was like, it was worrying. I was like, this is what he's supposed to be good at. So God knows what else he's going to do. And you know what's funny?

58:18Whenever there was a half chance coming in, he was always just like, he wasn't there. He was always in the wrong place. He should have been

58:25Theo:on the six yard line. He has the instincts of me. Like if you put me up front, I would be taking the same positions as Jokeres and that's not a good thing. Can I ask who you think is worse out of Wurz than Jokeres then? And Cesc. Jokeres. As a player? No, as a signing. As a signing for for both their clubs? You think

58:42Lewis Bowden:I don't know. He's the better signing. I think this is what I mean. This is what I think about. I've got Verts as second on my list. This is why I back Verts as a signing. Like you can see the technical abilities there as a footballer. So that gives me hope for him. With Jokeres and it's not Tim Diggs but he has a technical ability of Titus Bramble. So it's like I don't really have much hope for him. I'm like improving. Yous won't improve Jokeres. They can improve Verts. You wouldn't have mentioned him unless he actually included I wasn't doing it because then I just get shouted out for thingy and I don't think he was in the top 10 but by the way I didn't start on this tangent he asked me a question about it I didn't start this agenda you asked me well you didn't have him in the top 10 so that's one of the reasons

59:23Reev:I wanted to know your opinion it wasn't me I agree to an extent with what Tom said is all I said I only had him 10th by the way yeah but I just knew I was quite protective Jesus

59:35Lewis Bowden:I wasn't even this bad in all the I think it's because you know it's through deep down yeah it hurts we need Haberts back last year everyone was like we need a striker Haberts is shit by the way where's Gabriel G is he coming back he was on the bench a couple weeks ago Christmas ennit mate he's busy so he was on the bench and then he went back off the bench no I think he was on

59:54Reev:the bench at the weekend he must be making tons of money he's probably not fully fit is he no he wasn't on the bench he was probably injured again I think he was injured again

1:00:02Lewis Bowden:he was in goal I'd love to see him back I genuinely would I still think he's your best striker. Same. That's why I think it'll be really fun to see. I think he's a good model for what he's got going on up there. He's a good model, that's for sure. But he could come back and just be poo-poo now. Probably, after all the injuries. So much time out. Yeah. That'll be a sad sight. Well, that was it. Right,

1:00:22Theo:well, they're our top 10 worst ironies, guys. If you think they're different to yours, then drop them down in the comments or you can tell us how bad ours were. I think it's been pretty fair across the board, I think. Yeah. Yoko should be higher. I'm regretting putting him in not putting him in right

1:00:38Reev:you didn't have Verts on your list man that's mental yeah that is crazy yeah that is a thing you'll come good we'll come back stop saying you'll come good that's not what I'm doing that's how I otherwise you can't do another one in the future I will always judge transfers on my opinion of their future where like Verts isn't a bad signing because they could still sell them on for 80 million the Yoko Reyes are going to get 5 you've already made a massive you made a 55 million net loss at least they could recoup their money you're chatting shit the same with Izak he'd go for 2 Shh. Yeah, you're talking poo.

1:01:05Right, moving on.

1:01:07Theo:Right, so now, guys, moving on to a section that we've never done before. We're going to do the Premier League manager sack race. Now, we have a tier list with individual categories based off how secure we think the jobs are for the Prem managers. And now the table slash managers are in Premier League points order. So do you guys want to start at the bottom or to the top? Maybe the top. No, bottom. So the categories are as follows, going from top to bottom, sacked in the morning, on thin ice, could go either way, secure and untouchable. I didn't know which way to do it. Oh, it's all got a bit too much for Reeves, isn't it?

1:01:43Theo:Right, are we starting with the bottom of the Premier League? Rob Edwards. Rob Edwards. I think we should start at the top, because then a lot of these are...

1:01:51Reev:No, start at the bottom.

1:01:52Theo:No, start at the bottom. Okay. Rob Edwards.

1:01:56Lewis Bowden:I've been out by it. There'll be no debate about, like, Burnley and that.

1:01:59Reev:Do you think they just give him End of the season?

1:02:01Lewis Bowden:Could go either way Yeah I feel like You've just put me in

1:02:04Reev:Like likelihood they're going down Will he get sacked If they go down? Probably not It depends how bad it gets Yeah

1:02:09Lewis Bowden:If there's someone Like two points in March You'll have to go Blood Yeah But I personally Wouldn't sack him No matter how bad it gets Because like They're already going down

1:02:18Theo:And the caretaker manager Is just like A local farm animal

1:02:22Lewis Bowden:What the fuck?

1:02:24Theo:Or a wolf? To avoid having to Imagine that You play hard for a wolf Right next one Scott Parker

1:02:32Lewis Bowden:I think could go Either way I think either way Because it's like What's the point You're sacking them It is Burnley No I was going to go secure I was going to go secure I don't think they're going To get rid of him No they could They could

1:02:42Reev:But if you go on What you've seen so far This season They have a glimmer of hope True but Glimmer If they start to get Cut adrift

1:02:51Lewis Bowden:There's always a chance With the clubs at the bottom That they could get sacked Do you know what I mean They're not secure Yeah that's fair That's fair

1:02:57Theo:Could go either way Could go either way Sean Dyche Time for Sean Dyche Oh Nuno

1:03:04Lewis Bowden:Secure I'd go with Nuno Yeah he's secure

1:03:06Theo:Way too early for He's secure They've been good They've definitely improved All they had to do Is put Wilson on And then they saw it It's not an easy ground As well Another point there I think he's secure Yeah I think he's secure It's not untouchable Is he And now Sean Dyche

1:03:22Reev:I think the owner Is too Yeah could go either way Yeah it's not down to Dyche it's just down to you would stick with him they have been bad though lately they have I would stick with him because he's got he's got experience in this sort of scenario they're in trouble though they're in trouble he might want to say nice because of the fucking owners mental Mr. Maranakis thanks you he won't be nice though they're not can you predict anything with this guy though mate yeah but he all Dash has to do is say the wrong word to him in an interview and he's out there are only two boys off the bottom he just does he walks off he's like yeah great job and then just goes who's that supposed to be in a 17th he always does

1:03:56Lewis Bowden:Australian for some reason. I do answer.

1:03:58Reev:Andrew's previous tenure.

1:04:00Lewis Bowden:Right. when did Nuno come in? It was the game. Before the Newcastle game. It was a Monday night game against Everton. Everton. His first game.

1:04:09Theo:They drew, didn't they? Was it a draw? Can't remember. They've been way better. Yeah, but they're really bad. No, they've got,

1:04:15Reev:they've got, they've got. They got points on this. End of September. End of September. Yeah, they got points. Big wins against Newcastle and Burnley now. Lost to Brentford, lost to Leeds, drew to Bournemouth, lost to Liverpool, Drew to United Drew to Bryan Yeah mate I'm doing the best I can I put Dice on Thin Ice You know Really? Just because how mental they are And they're 17th I think Maybe I would be I would go against that Mate it's Mr. Maranakis Sure Oh my I just hope I keep On Thin Ice On Thin Ice I think he I think this week Has changed that You are on Thin Ice Good go either way now I think

1:04:49Theo:Just because of this week

1:04:51Reev:No no

1:04:52Theo:I think the way that Leeds Is set up He's been on Thin Ice Since the start Do you think this week's got money in the bank? No.

1:04:58Lewis Bowden:It saved him for a few weeks. Yeah. There'd have been discussions. The fans have turned as well.

1:05:04Reev:It's a good start. It's a good start. Not for this week though. They're back on board, I reckon. No, they will for like a couple games. Whether it's back to shit, they'll be straight back on. Points go down.

1:05:12Theo:But Leeds' ambition is to like have a really good season and stay in the Premier League. He's got thin ice for sure.

1:05:18Reev:Oh, Daniel. They paid well against City. Almost got points at City. Beat Chelsea. Drew to Liverpool. I think he still is on thin. he still is on thin ice

1:05:26Theo:the point I'm trying to make is maybe this is the turn though since the first ball was kicked no I get it

1:05:31Reev:but maybe this is the turn in August I know but like it still is on if you look at the rest of the results no I appreciate that but against the three of the best sides in the league you don't instantly then put them onto could go because that's ultimately the games against the biggest sides aren't what's going to keep them up it's going to be beating the teams around them could go either way

1:05:47Theo:would apply if they were like in 12

1:05:49Lewis Bowden:he's not but they're still around he's 100 % he's 100 % on thin ice

1:05:53Theo:no I'm saying specifically for Daniel Farker the lead situation he could have been sacked if he lost those games we can't then put them go either way he's thin ice but it's 3 vs 1 he's thin ice he's on thin ice

1:06:06Lewis Bowden:Marco Silva

1:06:07Theo:secure secure he's class yeah they just love him he should have a bigger move really

1:06:14Lewis Bowden:it wasn't only a few weeks ago everyone's being like ooh we need to be careful I don't think that's about him though everyone rates him as a manager don't they yeah I think people he's had no signings again has he

1:06:24Theo:He looks like a rugby league player there, doesn't he? Keith. Keith Andrews.

1:06:28Lewis Bowden:I think secure for him as well. Yeah.

1:06:31Reev:He's doing well. They were in a bit of a predicament, weren't they? He's got them out of it. He's got them out. Up to 14th now, 19 points. Who can they play the weekend again?

1:06:39Lewis Bowden:I suppose. Of course, yeah. Irreola. Secure? Secure. Yeah, I think so. For sure, for sure, for sure. Fucking hell, I'm around.

1:06:48Reev:How long is he secure if Bournemouth stay like this?

1:06:52Lewis Bowden:I mean, what, if they keep losing? I don't know.

1:06:54Reev:You know what I mean?

1:06:54Theo:If they're in a relegation It would be very Bournemouth For them to just like Go on a full win streak And everything else We'll figure it out Bournemouth will be fine Amber and fucking hell I'm so happy So at the club Could go either way Yeah They've said they're going to Give him time I feel like his job is secure

1:07:10Reev:I actually think it's secure His job is secure I actually think Like they've gone through the shit They're not going to sack him And if they didn't sack him During that I don't know though man Because like

1:07:19Lewis Bowden:Fans still wanting that If they lose against Wolves tonight He's still secure

1:07:23Theo:He's still there I still think could go either way though. They're not going to be. Imagine by the end of next week and they've been beaten 2-0 by Wolves and then they've got Bournemouth the following week. He could go. I think they're dead set on, even if they don't go in Europe this year, they're dead set on him. I'm so confused as to why you think he's got such jobs with Corey. Because they should have fired him already. And also Jim Ratcliffe,

1:07:44Lewis Bowden:he keeps iterating it. He just says he's going to be good for three years. He literally keeps iterating it. And he hasn't went against him.

1:07:51Theo:It's unsouchable then at this point. I wouldn't be against him.

1:07:54Reev:I wouldn't be getting

1:07:55Theo:Trust me He shouldn't be That's what I'm saying He shouldn't be He's never going to leave So therefore he's untouchable He's untouchable You can definitely argue with it He's going to be fighting in League 2 With him with his little fucking I can't fucking wait In like four weeks time You see the new Celtic manager With the fucking clipboard as well When they were He was Oh Good one mate That's me mate I'm fine you didn't see it Okay no one's fine No I didn't see it It was good He did it all And then they conceded straight after

1:08:22Lewis Bowden:Nice man He introduced himself to one of the most known players at the club. Where are we putting Amorim?

1:08:28Reev:Secure. Yeah, good secure. I think he's untouchable. ADR, untouchable. Yeah. Yeah, do it. Is he? Once you lose to Sunderland, it's like dripping down the table. Untouchable, man.

1:08:39Lewis Bowden:Thomas Frank could go either way.

1:08:42Reev:Oh, Frankie.

1:08:43Lewis Bowden:I don't think he's on Finals.

1:08:44Reev:He was up until this week. I think either way, innit? Could go either way. The Thomas Frank ones, you know his response to the booing situation. that wouldn't have helped with the fans and like if you keep I know they won at the weekend but when you lose at home

1:08:58Lewis Bowden:their home form is shocking but I think the owners are going to keep him he's going to come good man yeah he better like because I've committed to this now only a couple weeks ago you were saying for him to be sacked I think you should have

1:09:10Theo:I still think you should he's not an instant fixer exactly I don't think it's secure an immediate winner that comes in did you not say it was secure

1:09:17Reev:no I said it could go either way oh yeah I back that sorry I thought you said doing for secure. Nah, he's not secure.

1:09:23Theo:So if Brentford had won, would you have said he's on thin ice? I think they'd have

1:09:26Reev:sacked him. Most definitely.

1:09:28Theo:His own derby. But do you not think

1:09:30Reev:if he lost against Brentford and you think he would have been sacked, surely on thin ice would make that, wouldn't it? Do you know what I mean? Maybe, yeah. I think there's a bit more pressure on him that you are laying onto here, Reba.

1:09:42Theo:So you're saying if he doesn't win the next two or three games What's the next pictures? What's the next pictures? Let's have a look.

1:09:47Lewis Bowden:They are 10th though. They're not doing bad. Away to Forest at home to Liverpool away to Palace it's not as bad as it's been here now their performance has been bad but overall on points they're not miles adrift or anything yeah I agree it's their home form though

1:10:01Reev:they're first in away form and last in home form I know but they're sort of like they're 19th they're first in away form they're first in away and 19th in the home this sort of discussion this sort of discussion around Tottenham is like a bit further before this weekend before this weekend that's not true at all

1:10:17Lewis Bowden:before this weekend it's true Palace and Chelsea above them No, in the last year.

1:10:20Reev:In the year. In the year. Calendar year. Keep making it. It's true. Typical Arsenal. No, for the last five years.

1:10:25Lewis Bowden:But ultimately, they're in touch and distance, aren't they? Where their home form's been bad. Yeah, but he's only been in charge since the summer. He was with Ange as well. But why not? What a useless start. What a really useless start. No, I'm just talking about

1:10:37Reev:Spurs' home form, why they're just so fed up as fans for their football club, not necessarily the managers. If you keep losing at home, you're fucking pissed, aren't you?

1:10:44Lewis Bowden:There's also the style of play is so fucking dire. It's like... Danny Dier. Right. Shagging Bowie. Could go either one, I guess.

1:10:53Theo:Arnie Slaughter! On thin ice, surely. It has to be at this point, mate. Sacked in the morning? Theoretically, when you look at the fixtures objectively over the last week, they should have got nine points. Boys, if anyone's going and sacked in the morning in this entire thing, you can't put him on the same level as Daesh. Sacked in the morning. It is so catastrophic. No, but they're backing him on. That's the thing. With the Salad stuff. They've already come out and said that.

1:11:18Reev:How long can you back him, though?

1:11:20Lewis Bowden:Exactly, that's why he's on thin ice. Yeah. I think he's sacked in the morning. He's not, though, because... Too bad he won't be sacked in the morning. He's not going to get sacked imminently, is he? No. Oh, I hope the nice it is for Arnie Sloan. I mean, personally, I don't even know if I would sack him. What's the point? Yeah, you can't have a player power. You wouldn't want salad to think that he fucking runs the club. Sack him both, mate. Get Danny Murphy in charge. Yeah, on thin ice. If there were to sack him, Who do you think would be

1:11:45Theo:The best replacement from Klopp I heard someone say Will you come back? Yeah Have Jurgen Klopp for six months Never go back Never go back Don't go back with us In this state either Zidane mate Everyone says that He's never going to work again No no Where is he? He's a caretaker manager for six months I don't think he is Someone properly in the summer Get Brendan Rodgers back Oh I know the playboys You want a six month job You know the playboys Van Dijk Rafa Benitez He's back Yeah, I don't know. Who's available? Who's the old Chelsea manager who came in for a bit? Avram Grant. Avram Grant. Fuck me.

1:12:23Steve Bruce is looking for work. Remember when Steve Bruce put his name on the hat for the Man United job?

1:12:29Reev:Steven Gerrard, Irreola, Jürgen Klopter. Alonso. There you go. Oh, Alonso. Alonso, wouldn't it? Would it? He'd leave around with Jürgen Klopter. No, he wouldn't. He's going to get sacked from there. They just got three red cards. Irreola.

1:12:40Lewis Bowden:Oh, get Anjin.

1:12:41Reev:Iriola would be a good appointment

1:12:43Lewis Bowden:Inzaghi Luis Enrique I love Ange Inzaghi would be a good shout out Maybe the big Arsenal And take Arteta Marco Silva Cesc Fabregas

1:12:51Reev:He's already come out and said If he's going to leave Como It's either going to be Barcelona or Arsenal Yeah you're not getting Either of those jobs mate Southgate Fabregas could definitely Get Barcelona at some point Fabregas Yeah no but No he has to But like he said If he goes to And leaves Como He's either going to go To these two Massive jobs Yeah maybe go Work at a high level Dickhead He is working at a high level Like Como or Serie A No, that's like me That's me Like me Like shagging Like No, it's not It's Serie A Yeah But it's like me saying I'm only in with them Unless like Cheryl calls here

1:13:22Theo:You've already said that You've already said that profusely It is, mate That's the only thing Right, Reggie LeBou He's untouchable

1:13:29Reev:Untouchable at the moment Yeah, come on That's sick from Serie A That's fucking class That was really good Yeah, I told you Only at a high level though Yeah, but like

1:13:37Theo:He could be pretty untouchable At the moment too Secure, I think.

1:13:42Reev:Nah, he's untouchable. Do you reckon?

1:13:44Theo:I think he's untouchable. He's a record for Brighton so far. Yeah, I don't think anything could happen. I feel like he's built a lot of trust, hasn't he? Have they? Yeah. They're like sixth. I don't think it's necessarily the performances. Yeah, they were, but that's exactly, which is why he just gets... Brighton just so he can see.

1:13:59Lewis Bowden:He has a lot of money in the bank with them, doesn't he? Yeah. In the bank? In the bank bus. Bank bus. Oh, they're seventh. And also...

1:14:04Theo:That's what I think, from where they've gone. They've actually paid well. I don't think he's untouchable. He's fucking weak. At the moment he is, yeah. I think he's untouchable. I don't think there's any way.

1:14:11Reev:I'll go with my Brighton sources, Tom. I'll go with the democracy. Brighton sources, do you know what I mean?

1:14:16Lewis Bowden:Yeah, David Moyes.

1:14:18Reev:Moyes, eh. He's got to be secure.

1:14:20Theo:Secure. Secure. David, secure Moyes.

1:14:23Reev:I cannot, I can't see him getting the sack ever. Unless it all goes to shit.

1:14:28Theo:Moyes? Yeah. So you could see him get that then.

1:14:30Reev:So untouchable then? I don't think it will go to shit.

1:14:32Theo:Right. Give her that. Okay, just don't. Mureska. Not at the new stadium, eh? on tonight no what no way fucking you off your head mate I'm sick of him mate he's a world jump I'm sick of him

1:14:44Reev:he's so inconsistent he's either secure or could go either way what's going on I think he could go either way because I can see Chelsea they just go through managers don't they so I could they just run a train on managers if he doesn't win a trophy this season they could be like oh fuck off he would have been already gone without the club world cup

1:14:59Theo:they've got one for the next four years yeah that's true you don't need it mate the biggest trophy of them all is that kind of a trophy yeah they got a badge for four years mate It's such a shit badge as well.

1:15:08Reev:The thing is, he could go either way of Enzo. I think Enzo could go either way. I think I'm the same. I'm not bothered. It's just Chelsea managers, though, isn't it? It's Chelsea managers. He just does me, Evan. He's fucking boring. I wouldn't get rid of him

1:15:21Lewis Bowden:if I was in charge. If Chelsea lose another few games and they drop to like 8th, 9th, he's fucked. I think he's on thin ice. He's not on thin ice.

1:15:29Theo:To be fair, he's supposed to be sacked at the start of last season.

1:15:33Lewis Bowden:They're adrift. What did you say?

1:15:36Theo:To be fair, he's supposed to be sat to the start of last season.

1:15:39Reev:Oh, shit. Another Tom Rung moment. Tom Rung. You just burped. Yeah, could you go either way, please? You're okay?

1:15:47Lewis Bowden:Yeah, go on.

1:15:49Reev:Glasner, untouchable. So untouchable. It's crazy.

1:15:52Lewis Bowden:You're untouchable, baby. That's not a song. It's just made up. Do you think Glasner leaves it then? For who? I think it depends if they get into Europe. They could get into Europe, at least. Europe. If he has a big job. We're the Geordie boys. we're going to Europe

1:16:06Reev:how about this though they're not even doing well in Europe at the moment picture this though

1:16:10Lewis Bowden:end of the season end of the season end of the season right Europe Arsenal hypothetically haven't won anything they might want a new manager what about Arsenal Arsenal and Europe Arsenal doesn't suit

1:16:20Reev:Arsenal style it's five at the back eh Arsenal's a five at the back manager

1:16:23Lewis Bowden:what do you think about Arsenal and Europe why do you keep asking me well answer them then don't be rude Arsenal and Europe I'm not too sure we're jolly boys we're going to Europe who is that is that you No, it's not me. No, it's just, I don't know. It's not anyone. It's just what I say. Yo up.

1:16:42Theo:Come on, Bruno. Clas are untouchable. Yeah, untouchable.

1:16:46Lewis Bowden:Yeah, untouchable.

1:16:47Theo:Emery, untouchable.

1:16:49Reev:Untouchable. Isn't it so funny, though? Baby.

1:16:51Lewis Bowden:Baby.

1:16:52Reev:First month after the season, we'd be like, oh my God, we're a shit, get out.

1:16:56Theo:Untouchable. Still as a manager, though, we were like universally saying that he's top three. Yeah, it weren't him, was it? Yeah, I'm just saying the fucking...

1:17:04Lewis Bowden:He's a great manager. It fucking kills me. He's also a very polite manager.

1:17:07Reev:He's a good afternoon.

1:17:09Lewis Bowden:Good evening.

1:17:10Reev:Marco Bivot. He's like going good afternoon. Marco Bivot. Yeah, because everyone fucking takes the piss out of him. Oh, no.

1:17:16Theo:Have you forgotten it already? Bizzot. Bizzot. Marco Bizzot. Marco Bizzot. Marco Bivot.

1:17:21Reev:Marco Bivot. Marco Divers. Pep untouchable.

1:17:25Theo:Untouchable.

1:17:25Reev:Now, call me bold, guys, but I'm going to put Arteta

1:17:31Lewis Bowden:in secure. Oh, no. I'm thinking of either way. How is he not on thin ice? Shut up. How is he not on thin ice? He's not won fucking anything. He's not on thin ice. Okay, no. If you don't win the league this year, he's sacked. That's not on thin ice. That is thin ice. That's secure. That's the thinnest of ice. If you're at 50-50, whether you're going to be in trouble.

1:17:50Theo:No, no, he's also on track to win the fucking treble. That could go either way. No, because it's more probable. He's just said he's on track

1:17:58Lewis Bowden:to win the treble. But he is. By the way, it's not 50-50 because it's more probable you won't win a trophy. Yeah. No, it's not. We're favourites. Actually, off you go. Actually,

1:18:07Reev:sat in the morning. League Cup win. Champions League win. Premier League win. That's the treble. What gives you confidence of winning all those? Mate, he spent 160 million on it. Ozzie. That has to make him sad. It's either way or thin ice. Can we look at the odds? I can understand

1:18:25Theo:that it could go either way because if he doesn't win anything by the end of the year.

1:18:28Reev:Shush, Reeve. You're meant to be an Arsenal fan. He's secure. Do you think he could go either way? No, he's secure. What happens if he doesn't get into Europe. Well, he will get into Europe. So genuinely, you think... Arsenal are favourites for the League Cup, favourites for the Champions League and favourites for the Premier League. I don't mean favourites. Yes, it does. Genuine question. No, you've been favourites for the last three years. You want to doubt?

1:18:47Theo:Genuine question. You think if he wins absolutely nothing at the end of the season, he won't be sacked? He's secure until the end of the season, yeah. OK, that could go either way then? That could go either way. You were favourites last year?

1:18:56Reev:You favourites every fucking year? He's not in the same position as Enzo. Enzo might get sacked this season. Arteta's not getting sacked this season When he played Man United in the cup If we're out of all the cup competitions

1:19:07Theo:Hypothetically speaking

1:19:09Reev:We're talking about right now Is he on thin ice? No He's on thin ice Right now he's secure Right now he's secure But we're not doing that are we We're doing right now He's not on fucking thin ice right now Is he you fucking idiot Why is he so angry? How is anyhow untouchable?

1:19:30Theo:Because he's untouchable A touch ball A couple weeks ago When we were talking About your away record You were like Oh he's getting You wanted him sacked That's not Literally put words In my mouth Yeah you're lying Literally lying No we had that conversation No all I said was I said Howe should leave Because he's too good for us Is what I said By the way Stop trying to project Let's talk about What's out I'm not trying to project What about Howe doesn't get into Europe

1:19:55Reev:Actually you know what You raise a great point With that Tom actually Because you're talking about What if Arteta doesn't win a trophy What happens if Eddie Howe loses every fucking game for the rest of the season and then gets you relegated. Is he still an untouchable? If you actually want to have a proper debate. No, that is a proper debate. I'm talking about hypotheticals just like that. That's not a realistic outcome, is it? You not winning a trophy is realistic. Because it's what you've done for the last five fucking years. It's also a repeat. Where are Newcastle? Let's have it on its own.

1:20:19All right. Let's have a little bit. Newcastle finish. Newcastle finish. Let him be deep. Let him be deep. I don't like Eddie how far

1:20:26Theo:so much during a game that all the fans have to leave the stage. I'll stop. Theo, Theo, Theo, shut up our response here. Shut up! Yes, you want to. You can finish in 15th. Okay, he's done. If Newcastle don't get into Europe and we don't win a trophy, which is probably like the equivalent of a bad season as Arsenal not winning a trophy again, Adi Howe would still be in the job. Arteta would not. Adi Howe. Yeah, but I'm talking about you. Yeah, but what happens if you finish 15th? Un-touch ball! Is it right now? It's secure, isn't it? Right now it's secure. Mate, your managers are fucking few games from being sacked.

1:20:58Yeah, he is on thin eyes. He's on thin eyes.

1:21:00Lewis Bowden:I think he could be sacked in the morning, really, after that performance of the weekend. It's been six seasons of shit signings, no trophies, and you're still trying to seize Untouchables. No one said that. No one said that. Lewis spent 174 million on his age. It's crazy. And he said he's the best sign in the season last week as well. He's got a goo. You did? He's got a goo. He's secure right now. He's not secure. No, no, by the way, genuinely, he has to be minimum could go either way.

1:21:29Theo:On a seasonal basis, yeah, but right now he's secure.

1:21:31Lewis Bowden:Does that photo look like a man who's secure in his personality? Look at him.

1:21:38Lewis Bowden:He looks like that guy off Ted Lasso. Yeah, he does, actually.

1:21:41Reev:The producer. The one who shagged men. You know he wrote the show? He helped write the show and then was like, I'm good for this thing.

1:21:47Theo:Sing the theme tune, write the theme tune. Nick Muhammad? No. Right, no, yeah, really silly. He could go either way. Really silly.

1:21:52Lewis Bowden:He could go either way. He's secure.

1:21:55Theo:We're talking about now he's secure. We're talking about seasonal. No, it's good by the way. It's all about right now. This is an army now because you're being so biased. No, we're not. He's first to the cram. His job is secure right now. Yeah, he's not going to get replaced. Stop, I'm not part of you didn't say it right. It is secure. Yeah, thank you. No, no, you're using this forecast so differently. He's having a laugh. You're being fucking dumb. Why can't you listen to the point and then you can maybe come back and serve insults with a bit of ball knowledge? You know, you've got to be... We've just proven ball knowledge by saying he's secure.

1:22:18You're saying fucking on thin ice. Theo, Theo. Let the boy speak.

1:22:27Oh my God, I'm just trying to get out a sentence. If Arsenal don't win a trophy, which is looking probable, is our... Is it? Trying to get out a sentence. Is it top of the league, mate? Which is looking probable. No, it's not. I'm sorry, you've been 15 points. You've got to let him finish his sentence. So hang on a sec. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, I won't let him finish. You lost a watch?

1:22:48Reev:No, it won't go away. No, let him finish because it's a silly point anyway. He's scared of the truth. He's scared of the truth. It's the top of the Champions League table, the top of the Premier League table, and you're saying they're looking lucky. Maybe they won't win a trophy. Yeah, but it's Arsenal. Okay, Theo, have you ever been top of the league, maybe by a big margin and then not went on to win? Well, Champions League as well. No, no. You have to look at it objectively, Luke. The team that is at the top, the team that is at the top, the team that is at the top,

1:23:06Lewis Bowden:Liverpool won the Champions League last year. Can you answer my question, please? Have you ever been top of the league and not went on to win it? Did you just say Liverpool won the Champions League or won the league table? No, they were top of that league table. They were top of that, weren't they? Theo, have you ever been top of the league and not went on to win it? Yes. Thank you. so that point's completely pointless I'm still trying to finish the original I'm still trying to finish the original you're talking about now so do we all agree that Art of Tet is gone if he doesn't win a trophy this season no I think he'll stay Jesus well put him untouchable untouchable alright there you go untouchable it's like the Amram effect Amram well there you have it guys let us know where we got it right how is no one sacked in the morning I don't think anyone's imminently going to be sacked hang on lads

1:23:48Theo:I did look back at what we did in August

1:23:52Lewis Bowden:oh In August, we did a tier list where we ranked managers on how secure you think their jobs are. So should we have a little... Can we put a little... I don't know where we actually mean them to be, then. ...at what we got. So it's actually a fair reflection.

1:24:03Theo:I thought this was the first time we did this.

1:24:06Lewis Bowden:Well, we ranked the managers before, but obviously December time is sacrifice. So here was the rankings.

1:24:12Theo:That's different. This was like... I'm not even joking. I thought that was you, top left. What do you reckon about that? Do you want to go through that? I'm not even... I'm not listening. Back in August. we did a previous tier list of managers back in August don't look at me we did a previous tier list of managers back in August but we did it opposite in terms of the categories were Sacked by Christmas Fraud Watch Solid Big Dick Energy and World Class now we thought that Daniel Farker would be Sacked by Christmas he might he might yeah he might well be and mate Slott might be

1:24:42Reev:Sacked by Christmas oh wait we did this reverse oh okay yeah this is reverse I was confused there by the way even Lewis is looking at our veteran solid and was like how is that possible? No, no, I was confused because I thought we bought how to get south, There are some interesting

1:24:55Theo:players in here because obviously Graham Potter... There's no players in there? Sorry, managers in here because Graham Potter is in Fraud Watch. He's not even here. Yeah, that's what the problem is.

1:25:04Lewis Bowden:True, that is Fraud Watch. Reggie LeBree in Fraud Watch, damn.

1:25:06Reev:Arnie Slott in world class, you know. Vito Pereira in solid. In solid. Do you think Arnie Slott just won the league of Klopp's team?

1:25:14Lewis Bowden:Would Klopp's team come third, didn't they?

1:25:16Theo:He was still Klopp's team. Oh, before he implemented new players in his new system, etc. I don't know, do we?

1:25:21Lewis Bowden:We're pretty accurate if we... It weren't that bad, really. Thomas Frank, big dick energy.

1:25:25Reev:Enzo Moresca, big dick energy.

1:25:27Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but did we do that before Frank went to Spurs? I know because Keith Andrews is there. Yeah, this was the start of the season. Damn.

1:25:33Reev:Damn, Reggie LeBree in Fraud Watch. I don't think that's that bad. I can't believe Peter Perez is solid.

1:25:40Lewis Bowden:He was good the second half of last season. Arteth and Solid is so fucking... No, genuinely, is Arteth not the definition of Fraud Watch if you continuously... No, I don't want to go into a deep one, but is that not the definition of fraud watch?

1:25:53Theo:Something even funnier here is Nuno's not even the same team he is now. Still just solid, though, isn't he? Relatively, realistically,

1:26:02Lewis Bowden:Arteta is on fraud watch. This is what I mean. He is the definition of fraud watch. He is for me, anyway. If he doesn't win this season, he's like... You could actually be such an unbelievable team, but we wouldn't know because you haven't had a proper manager. If we put it...

1:26:16Theo:You're saying he's not built the team to this degree? It's all lovely story. No, but if you put an actual... That's just a question. If you put Guardiola into this team, you might win the quad every season. Possibly. Do you think Arteta's a good manager? He's all right. He's all right. He constantly underachieves. I don't understand. He constantly underachieves. Any other manager doing this would be sacked? yeah true six years he has done six years of underachieving and we're calling him a good manager no but but realistically that is the fact he is the person that's brought up to the conversation though hasn't he no no no no no but that's a terrible argument because you've seen Crystal Palace you've seen Crystal Palace come and win a trophy and stick around in that time you've seen Aston Villa and Newcastle do it and loads of teams so it's like Aston Villa Aston Villa always this you've always been this huge team so it's like it's not like he's built Arsenal up from the sewers of football

1:27:15Lewis Bowden:I think Arteta is doing what he should be doing right now I think he's doing what he shouldn't what does that mean

1:27:22Theo:winning games no I mean Arsenal should be

1:27:25Lewis Bowden:challenging each year for the top we were fucking shit mate yeah but do you know what I mean I don't think Arsenal fans don't know what shit actually is do you hear that

1:27:35Theo:no because obviously it's just happening in your head oh my god what did you crack your jaw

1:27:38Reev:you popped your jaw I'll crack it in a minute

1:27:40Lewis Bowden:if you don't shut up

1:27:42Reev:that'll be on the mic that'll be on the mic

1:27:44Lewis Bowden:I don't think so Well, anyway, let us know what you think of that. And also, thanks for tuning in. There's a stress in my jaw. Do you enjoy that show, guys?

1:27:51Reev:I did, actually.

1:27:51Lewis Bowden:Yeah, I've got a phone.

1:27:52Reev:What? Bye, guys. Bye, everyone. Mate, you've got to listen back to my jaw. I think I just dislocated my head. You made it to the end. Well done, you.

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