*HEATED* Spurs Appoint De Zerbi, Ranking The PL's Biggest SHOCKS & Our Top 10 British Players Of ALL TIME

23:31Yeah, smart. How are you even just standing? For a big six club, you just wouldn't really think that. It's almost like it wasn't the problem. I think you'd be surprised. I did think that. Would Arsenal have a relegation clause? The reason I found this out the other day is because I thought like you then. I was like, surely Spurs are going to be fucked because Leicester didn't. So I'm not sure if the big six would. Man City definitely got a relegation clause in. They should have. I hope so. Yeah, maybe, but Yeah, it will be interesting Right, hand on heart You staying up? Or are you going down?

24:02Oh, well, I hope we stay up Let's go one by one Yeah, firstly, what's your heart say? Stay up or relegated? Relegated I've said it from... Danny? My heart says... No, no, no, what do you think? What do I think? If I put a gun to your head right now I'm winning Stay up Yeah Relegate I think stay up No, he's gone No, Tudor's gone Oh, you flip-flopped I said... No, I haven't I've maintained You flip-flopped it, mate You have flipped The last fucking month, you've gone from stay up to relegate. I've seen relegate. What did I say on the last part? If Tudor goes, they'll stay up. He did see if Tudor goes.

24:31And I said, forget the Tudor things. Hand on heart, you said relegated. Because I thought he was going to stay. Tom, do you think De Zerbe will keep them up? And do you think he can kick them on? Could this actually be, you know what? I think he'll keep them up, but then he'll get them to be like a mid-table team, like Spurs were in the early 2000s. Surely you need to fix your defence, right? First things first, you need to fix your defence. But De Zerbe, from what I remember, as quite a forward-thinking manager. I actually think... Surely it's the opposite. I personally think the way out of this for Spurs is the opposite.

24:58Score goals. Attack your best defence. That's why Dezherby... Because they have got... In fairness, they have got players who can score goals. That was the whole problem with Frank. They were too defensive, too sat back. They're going to concede anyway, aren't they? Because they can't defend. So you might as well fucking have a go at teams. Well, Dezherby always played open and he got the occasional hammering, didn't he? Precisely. That's why he got fired at Marseille. But against Sunderland, against Brighton, it's fine to be open I think if Villa, Chelsea and Everton and Brighton batter them it doesn't matter if you get to a point that Sunderland beats Wolves and beats Leeds it doesn't matter yeah and that's ball I think we're good man I think we're good have I just pumped you up I said we're staying up I think we're good five minutes ago you said you were staying nah but you said gun to my head so I said oh Danny if Spurs are staying up alright what's what's the plan in the summer which players are you keeping which players are leaving I still think you see a lot of leave.

25:53I think a lot of people would leave regardless. Fuck him. You'll love the ones who steer. Yeah. I think we just build around Archie Gray. He'll be gone. No, he won't leave us. He might. Archie Gray. He won't leave us. He loves Tottenham. Nah, I want him. He bleeds Tottenham. Nah, you think, don't think that about any player. Until he goes to Arsenal. He would never go up. He would literally never go Arsenal. He would leave. He would never go Arsenal. The players who steer with you, you'll find a newfound love for them you know I also think not many of them will be that hot property but Bergvau is probably also you have to you have to remember that they will look at it as if the right club doesn't come in for them it doesn't matter too much because I will be back in the Premier League in a season and a lot of players they have the rightly so they're Premier League footballers they have the ego of I can change this team so that's why they'd want to stay like I'd imagine Richarlison would stay yeah Imagine him in the championship I think he'd love it He'd actually do really well I like Petro, man I don't want him gone Gallagher, who's just came in on this big contract No, but I don't think Gallagher will be on the 50 % clause Of course he will be He signed after leaving If he saw the state of that I'm like, if I'm signing this big contract And you're in a relegation battle, I don't want it Who's going to pay Gallagher 200 grand a week?

27:16I think he'll probably just go To who, though? But why would he? Who's going to pay 200 grand a week? He's just going to stay there. Scream Sebastian Villa. 200 grand a week? No one's paying him. Why is Gallagher on 200 grand a week at Spurs? I don't know. It's fucking mental. It's 150. Is it? I think so. I don't think it is. I don't think it's 200. 150. 150. I don't think it's 200. How did you think he said 500? I just undid the SA thing of it. We'll have a VAR. You might be right. I thought he was on 200 grand a week. What the fuck? How much is Conor Gallagher? You're typing. Yeah, Will is unable to type in.

27:52200 grand a week. Is it actually 200? Highest paid player. Yeah. Fuck. I imagine he's not on the clause because he signed up to leave. His agent must be cluck. Jesus. Imagine going into a meeting and leaving with 200 grand a week for Conor Gallagher. Yeah. But therefore, I think he... The only reason I think he stays is because who's going to pay that? Why would he leave? He's on 200 grand a week. Conor Gallagher does not have a relegation clause 200k a week winning every game in the championship Exactly What a life I can't remember who it was talking about But a lot of the players will actually earn more in the championship Because there's more games More bonuses So he's actually going to be making a fuck ton as well They might have to throw him in the reserves I can't imagine the bonuses will stay the same in the championship He'll get some more money though But appearance fees and stuff Well, moving on to something we sort of discussed briefly throughout the show in the last couple of weeks is what would be a bigger shock?

28:49Leicester win the league or Spurs? Ah! That. That was a shock, wasn't it? That was a big shock. Very big shock. So, producer Will has put together a tier list of the biggest shocks in Premier League history. We can only have three at the top, though. So, you've got DC, BA and S tier, which is superior. Superior. So, the biggest shocks we have got. It's not just Premier League, though, is it? By the looks of that. It is just Premier League. Where's the Europa League trophy? Yeah, I was going to serve just in a Euro-belie. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. The first one is, of course, Alan Shearer being the manager of Newcastle United.

29:22No, it's not. It's been relegating. In fairness, he only came in for a few games. Wasn't it like eight games? I think it's Newcastle being relegated. It's Newcastle United being relegated. I'd like to say it was Michael Owen's fault he refused to play. I'd say that's pretty up there. I'm not that shocked. But it has happened twice. But this was the first time. No, that was the first time, though. This was the first time. No, no. No, that's what I mean. Newcastle being right. He didn't like, oh my God. At the moment of that happening, because you only get the shock in the moment, at the moment of that happening, that was our first time, like, that was the first of the two times.

29:52Yeah, I understand what it is. At that time, we had decent players. At the time, with obviously your biggest hero ever at the helm. And he took you down. Did it tarnish him at all or not? No. Yeah, he's done. No, but was there like a... He came in the last few games. it was due to happen for years man fucking Michael Owen refused to play he's a little prick Damien Duff got us relegated and then left fuck them all maybe that much of a shock then I'd probably go B I think B it is quite a big shock it was a shock but it was also like Ned it coming but also Newcastle have been punching above their weight especially in the 90s they weren't even in the first Premier League I remember being good I wanted him to stay on and he was due to stay on in the championship but then you got fucked over by a goal as well didn't they fucking Ashley yeah next one we can win the FA Cup but getting relegated that's up there that's up there could be S that might be top three winning the FA is that Wolves is that Wolves they've got Wolves winning the FA Cup this season that is it's hard and getting relegated as well I think for now let's put it in S so if you got relegated at the same time so were they were they in the Europa League at the same time as the Championship yeah that's hilarious it's class yeah I get that I think it was one of them where you had to qualify and they didn't qualify.

31:12No, maybe they had an Intertoto couple or something. There used to be qualifying rounds. Intertoto? No. Next one, the Arsenal Invincibles. Well, no, actually, because no one's done it since. No one cares about it. Is it shocking? At the start of the season, only one team had never done it. And it was pressed in. He is a shock. He did call it, though, didn't he, apparently? He did, yeah. He said he wanted to do it. I'd say aye. I don't think that's more. You would think they'd lose a game. You would think they'd lose one single. Remember when everyone thought Liverpool were going to do it. It could be S.

31:45Fuck it. Nah, I think A, because there's a lot of draws. Say A, B. I know it doesn't matter. I know you still did it. Congrats. But I think it's an A. I think it's a B. And you take an A. What's the biggest shock? And also, the fact it's season long, you kind of can shine yourself to it, so you're not shocked at the end. It's still shocking, yes. But you know the last game of the season? I think you drew obviously to do it it wasn't like like you know Wigan won the FA Cup he was like oh my god do you know what it is the more you think about it is like to not even just like that's basically saying I know they made mistakes but to lose a game is arguably down to a mistake like they didn't make a mistake all season do you know what I mean like Lear has dived against Porto I would still say you look at the Arsenal team you think yeah they've got a shot they've got a shot whereas if you said Wigan to win the FA Cup and get relegated you think they ain't winning the FA Cup?

32:40Yeah, let's just say A. I think A is fair. I think A is fair. I can agree with A. Next up is David Moore has become the manager of Manchester United. Nope, it's not. It's Man United's drop-off after winning the league. That is not a shock. Is it not? No. It was. It was at the time. I don't think so. I think you look back at how long-term... We're not looking back on it, Theo. I think, by the way, I think Arsenal should be in B and Man United should be in A. That's more shocking than Arsenal do in that. Like, for Man United, they were... Do you think Man Utd? My entire childhood was always in Man Utd.

33:09Man Utd changing their longest serving manager. Huge change to the club. You thought it would be a shock that something bad would happen after that? No, no, no. For them to be like, think about like all the players that sort of were retiring that year as well. They've always, they'd won the league the year before. But then they got rid of the guy. I personally have it in B, right? But it's, it was shocking. I think it's still, it's mental. Like there's such a huge club. There was no reason Phil, it was a good handover. They went out winning the league. like there's there was everyone expected and it's to the level it's the level and the amount of time that they dropped off for as well were you shocked when Arsenal dipped after Wenger no because he's just finished fourth every year no you just finished fourth every year Wenger didn't leave didn't leave you as the champions of the country these were dominating I'd say I'm putting it in this was a dynasty that like Ferguson had Wenger just you's all shouted about no we didn't I'm not against that but the reason the reason I argue is that when someone's been there for so long you look at the change you think you wouldn't be shocked that there would be a drop off No but the stature of money in Arsenal was different Yeah but Arsenal weren't the champions of England and had dominated for 20 years Theo when they won the league in 2013 and they won it quite comfortably Yeah I know If somebody said they still wouldn't have won a league title 13 years later would you have It's ridiculous Yes I agree Oh you're talking about It's also not even that It's also not even that Fergie was what there 26 years Yeah United were known for that and then Moyes was sacked the same season it was shocking yeah it was mental it was genuinely I know it's like a long time ago my best mate was a Man United fan it was mental they're also still not even close to being back to one of the best teams no they're still not there and you have to think how big of a team they are in world football and they're still like it's mental I think B is fair I think A definitely I'm on A that's more shocking than Newcastle getting really good the fact that they fell off that hard and still have a return Newcastle in C and then United in B But that's just been silly, isn't it?

35:05I agree with them, too. I'll go with A. I'm in the middle, but I'll go with them. Is this the takeover? Robinho signing for Manchester City. It was at the time. At the time, that was Minto, who's fucking mental. Mark Hughes in charge. That could be B. I think it is B. It was big money. Because this is going to seem silly. Because it's like the stature of Newcastle's relegation to that sign. But in terms of actual shock factor, that was mental. At the time, that was like Albin getting taken over and us signing Vinicius Junior. It's actually like that. I know, I know. It actually is. This is the Alano era.

35:38What a play. And it's also because we never saw a team like that who got all that money in and started just signing the Chelsea. Had that happened at this point? Yes. I'm too young. But also, it's not... I think B. Yeah, I think B, only because they had so much money. It wasn't that... You kind of knew they were trying to do it, but actually to get it over the line was like, fucking hell. It was a sick moment for them to do and Robinho's going to be playing and this is unbelievable. I watched him live there. He was fucking class. That's cool. That's cool. But was it shocking when they got taken over and now they've actually spent all the money on the sick player?

36:13Is it more shocking than Newcastle going down? I can't. Like guys, we expected something big. We expected something big. I've said B but further behind. Yeah, but Robinho was... No, no, but I'm saying it's so cool it was Robinho but were we shocked? Yes. Yes, I was shocked. I remember being absolutely... That was mental. It was kind of crazy, G. I remember staying up and watching Sky Sports News And also, you say having a Chelsea, I can't remember that period so much where, like, that I could very much remember. Yeah, I think, for now, put it in B. We could always put it down for me. Or even the Newcastle one, I suppose.

36:43The next one, Arsenal blowing an eight-point lead. It's not shocking. D. Yeah. That's the most obvious thing ever. Not shocking at all. Oh, wow. Oh, no, Arsenal flapped it at the crucial stage. D. Mate, they're going to do it this season as well. Yeah, it was like in, like, January anyway, mate. The fucking rest of the season. How we've ended up keeping Portsmouth up. what year was that oh when they first come up C C C maybe because he did have a decent he had a decent what year was that then how long did it take them to win the FAQ it was like 0-3 it was about 5 years later 5 years later Chelsea only conceded 15 goals you mean John Terry scored 15 goals in a single season that's higher than B that's low key on the same as the Invincibles I agree I'd go A that's A for me all day it just shows you how impressive it is.

37:34That will never get beat. People at the start of the season got way too carried away of that. Yeah. Also, John Terry made a good point about this the other week. Two of the games they conceded goals in was us and Bolton. We got relegated. Bolton were like just us. Bolton beat them, didn't they? No, it was City who beat them. It was Man City because I know I'm a squad. But like, some of the actual games they conceded in were like shit teams. Just switched off. Really shit teams. And Cech and Terry didn't play the last two games. Yeah, Is that where they conceded a goal in? Yeah. Yeah, they conceded in both, I think.

38:06Next one, Burnham City winning the League Cup and getting relegated. That's right. No, that's not the next one. Wait, which one's the next one? The next one's Burnham City winning the League Cup. Yeah, Burnham City. I thought you said Man City. I was looking at the one before. Or Befiddy Martins. Is that not similar? I know it's the League Cup and the FA Cup, but it's still very impressive. It's not similar to Wigan. Yeah. But they were better. They get relegated. Blues were better than Wigan, though. Like, they had better players. They beat Arsenal on the road, didn't they? Yeah, but beating Man City is more impressive for Wigan.

38:36I'm going C, boys. I'm not that fussed about that. I'm looking at it. I don't think you can put that. Yeah, but not caring about it. No, not that I don't care about it. I just think I'm not shocked about it. It was a shock, though. Yeah, I remember this. I could be, I think. I could be, personally. I'll go C, but I'm more inclined to see. Birmingham City win the fucking League Cup, mate. All right, so what? I think it's B. They've only ever won one of the trophy in their whole history, and that was a League Cup. Yeah. I'm pretty sure at the time they were okay in the mid-tier when they just plummeted that's what I mean they were okay at the time Derby's point record Derby's lowest point record of all time 11 points at the time 11 points in a season Wolves were on to break it until they decided to start showing up yeah that's what I mean look how shit Wolves are this season right look how shit Sheffield United have been or Southampton that still hasn't been big I got rinsed for that all season because it was first half the season we lost to them had to put over it all year Are we getting a fine line Between like shocking Or like that's just mental Yeah Like Is it shocking?

39:37I do know what you mean I'm shocked How shit done That's a good point No because They basically got promoted Too soon Like they beat us In the playoff final But we were terrible that day But they finished 6th I'm pretty sure In the championship They were terrible So I do agree with you there I think We can't keep on They were actually We have to distribute They were genuinely awful They had like a washed Robbie Savage I feel like it's a D. Could you make a good point? No one's shocked. I wasn't shocked. It's awful, but no one's shocked. It's not as predictable as Arsenal's bottle. Like, it's a bulldog.

40:10Yeah, maybe not a left. Yeah, C then. C's the fair, I think. The big one. Leicester City winning the league. Leicester City winning the league. An FA Cup. Leicester City winning. When that was happening. That wasn't the same year. The year after. At what point did you believe that they were going to do it? I never did. My dad backed him at Christmas to win it, and I went, you're mental. so I reckon March. I think it was like eight games to go. When was it when other people started dropping off and it was like it was Arsenal, wasn't it? It weren't even that Lewis. They kept winning every week. I remember when Vardy broke the record for like I was going to say I feel like it was around those games it was around those games where Vardy was reaching like the 9th, 10th, 11th and I was like the Arsenal's going to do it.

40:50He kept going. That was Christmas time. Yeah. It was like Feb, March when I was like Like, oh, actually, they could. Yeah. I remember when they beat City at City 3-1. And it was February. But then the week after, they lost to Arsenal. I still can't believe it, you know. And you were going, oh, actually, maybe they're not. And then they didn't lose. When they lost to Arsenal, I was like, right, they're going to fall off now. But they didn't lose for the rest of the season. I genuinely still can't. Looking at it now, I can't believe it. When did they beat us? They beat us 3-2. Were you in the league that year?

41:22Yeah, we did all right that season. They beat us 3-2 at the Orphans. October. I think, right, it wasn't then. But you drew 2-2 at Leicester in March. Right. The most mental thing as well is like the run they went on the season before to escape relegation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't just out of the blue. It was like actual continued fall. And they were, they genuinely were the best team in the league. At what point do you think they thought they won the league? I think when they lifted it. I think they were locked. You know throughout the season. I think it was just one game at a time. You know throughout the season, their objectives would have changed throughout the season.

41:55At what point do you think Ranieri said, I don't think they ever said that. I don't think they were one game. I think they were just riding a wave. Yeah, they were just on this momentum of just every week. I reckon they were just turning up every week. I mean, so like... You feel like invincible of it, don't you? Every week, it was just Ranieri saying just one game at a time. That's all I can remember him saying. Well, what's next? Liverpool not winning the league. So that was a big shock at the time. It was funny. It was wrapped up. People still get nightmares about that. What was the points gap?

42:29So just for a bit of context, Liverpool won a 16-game unbeaten streak. Yeah. They'd won the previous 11, including a win over City, and there were five points clear at the top with three games to go. The Chelsea game wasn't even the game that lost it, though, was it? It was Palace. Wait, are you sure it was five with three to go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking hell, mate. It was a big... That is mental. What was... Palace was after Chelsea, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. The Palace game was the one that cemented it. There were three and a lot, weren't there? And they drew 3-3. Five points clear, three to go.

42:57Yeah. That is fucking brutal. That's worse than Arsenal. That is worse than Arsenal. I think it's A, just because I thought it was wrapped up. Yeah. That is genuinely worse than Arsenal. Five points with three to go. That doesn't get talked about enough. I do also think that's a good point, like Danny said, how iconic it is and how long Liverpool haven't won the league for. And also it was Stephen Jard as well. That's obviously different to Birmingham in the league. And it was Stephen Jard as well. Yes. It's so harsh that that is just like they basically put it on his shoulders. And the Suarez, that was Suarez's season where he scored like 30 odd, yeah.

43:31Yeah, I think that's A. Do you think, just one question on Gerrard, do you think he still thinks about that every single day? He talks about it in his documentary. Did you ever watch his documentary? And it's hilarious. I hope he sits on it. Honestly, I reckon whenever he thinks of it, like it ruins his day for a good couple hours. He said he struggled to watch it in his talk. I don't think he should watch it again. I don't know why he would. He had to watch it through, didn't he? I mean, luckily, he won enough at Liverpool he won a decent amount he was a pretty good player wasn't he? Yeah he wasn't bad at football at him but a lot of the times you know obviously as an ex-player myself you look back on your career and you think about the negative moments or the positive moments but what about a mindset switch and you can learn that you sit back and look back at your own career in football he was actually just a professional footballer what's the what's the positive moments of your career as a footballer?

44:16bagging a hat-trick at Wembley Stadium last year against the side men yep yep that's the same not this year though that's the same as winning the Champions League for Liverpool apparently unless you you got something tell me oh my god is this why you're on the show this is why I'm going to announce it this why you're on the show yeah nah fuck that you ain't playing man are you in this year yeah I don't know how right next I'm not bothered by it anyway West Ham going down with all 40 points yeah this was crazy oh this was my first iconic moment in my life really yeah I was pay watching man because this was also the prime era of like 40 points stays you up keeps you up no it was yeah it was always 40 points keeps you up and they got 40 I mean just to to think putting in context the last 9 seasons 36 has been enough yeah and the players they had as well Joe Cole fucking Canuta Defoe Carrick Glenn Johnson like yeah but but I do also think being relegated or being shit isn't as shocking as someone overachieving and being good.

45:22I agree. Do you get what I mean? I do agree. In a way. You're saying that it's hard, it's harder to be good than to be shit. Obviously, but... It's almost impressive to get relegated after for 40 points. Yeah. I think it's B. I think C. Because ultimately, every other season, you would have done enough to stay up. Yeah. I think it was more Bolton were just unreal at the end of the season, weren't they? Their run was... They had a cotron, didn't they? Deliosi Anacopoulos. Yeah. So we're going to see... I don't mind C I said B I think B B it was a big moment I feel like any first time relegations Tottenham finishing 17th and winning Europa I don't think that was that shocking I think I don't know Peter said that at the start of the season no but okay but Spurs were the favourites to win the Europa League at the start of the season me and loads of others said they would and they only finished 17th in the Premier League because they soundbagged for the Europa League so that's not that shocking I think C's fair enough I could argue B No I wasn't shocked That we won the Europa League But I was shocked We finished 17 We weren't even shocked About how shit That final was as well You know what I mean We still won We won a trophy That's all that matters I think C I would have gone D Personally but I'll have to Nah it's not D It's not Arsenal bottle in it You can't put On the same level Something that's happened Like four times Three times Something that's happened once Three But mathematically And it wasn't even that bad The first two years Wasn't even that bad anyway I'm including this year Mathematically that means that one's more crazy.

46:51He's including the one you're going to do. So where are we putting that? C. C. All right. Easy C. Could be a B. Man City winning four titles in a row. It's not that shocking. I don't think that was actually a B. It had never happened. I know, but it would just be better than good. In a few months' time, we'll actually have to say it never happened as well. What? Oh. Because they were going to get a C. Oh, right. Yeah, I hear it. I personally don't think that's shocking. Was you shocked when they won the 4th? D, I actually think that's the only thing that's left with Arsenal bottling is Man City not bottling.

47:23It's a crazy achievement but it's not shocking. I agree. I agree there Thomas. That's very wise from you the one I could say. Sometimes I can be wise. Since turning 30 you've become a very wise man. Yes, yes, yes. Next one. What happens to you? Newcastle blowing a 12 point lead at the top of the table. With how many games to go? That was about Christmas time January 1996. This is hard to talk on because none of us were born. You remember it well, I've seen this interview many a time. It's more here for Lewis. I loved Kevin King, man. What a fucking boy. Was it that shocking that United caught them?

47:53The most dominant team in the United? Newcastle, at the time... I think it's more that we were sniffing around for a while and obviously I wasn't alive, but we were sniffing around for a while and it looked like this was the one. At the time, Newcastle were the only team to hold a lead of seven or more points after 25 games and still failed to win the title. By the way, don't you just wish you had interviews like this? You know what I mean? Imagine fucking Arteta. You know what, Lee? Right, Man City. it. I'd love it if we beat them. Would you love it if there was interviews like that? Yeah. I'd love it.

48:21Lucas, 12 points. Doesn't get talked about enough, really, does it? Yeah, you've kind of got a soft underbelly, G. Yeah, we've bottled it. Yeah, the DNA of a soft underbelly. Newcastle in that era should have got a title, Mike. I don't know what to say for this. B? I don't think it's as shocking as our... Again, I can't really speak on it. Well, you're obviously old enough to remember this. What do you think? Y 'all's always a Sunderland fan. I'd put it in probably B or C to be honest. Because I think Man United were good at it. Yeah, I'm happy going C just use Man United catching them. And Newcastle hadn't been out of the second division long by then.

48:58Exactly. It was just more of a shock that they were at the top. Is the next one Leicester getting relegated after winning the league in the FA Cup? It's not that shocking. Not that shocking. I wasn't that shocked. Maybe a C, yeah. What is this one? They sold Lares. Leicester getting relegated. Kante. I thought it was Leeds living the dream. Also, it took a while it was quite a few years after they got relegated. I'd actually get D for that. They got relegated what? How long? It was a slow descent down into it. It wasn't like it was one season win. They all knew their players were going to get better.

49:27It wasn't shocking. I'd actually get D. It's not shocking. I think D. D. Yeah. Wait. Let's try not to let Tom. Oh, this is a weird. West Brom, great escape. Do you want to give a bit of context? Oh, wait. This is Tom. So we were the first team to stay up after being bottom at Christmas. it was low points what year was that Tom? 2004-5 4-5 it was yeah who were you up against? and even on the last day I think we were two points adrift and we needed we needed both Palace and Norwich to lose I'm pretty sure with 20 minutes to go Palace were winning and it was done is that like you remember did you watch the one I sent in the group chat the other day?

50:09yeah I sat and watched it that was the one with Blackpool Southampton Wolves and Blackburn Oh yeah, yeah. You just don't get that anymore, do you? You don't, mate, the good old days. It was shocking. It was shocking at the time. Are you alive for any of this? No. No, yes, I was. Yes, I was two years old. It was shocking at the time. It was two. It had never been done. No one had stayed up after me. If you bought them at Christmas, everyone would say you're down. But I don't think it's on the level of a... Why would they not put 20th in that table? Because they were well down from memory. So where would you rank it then?

50:43as the West Brom. No, they weren't. The last day of the season, all the teams couldn't stay up. Where would you rank it then as the West Brom fan? Probably B, maybe. Also, fun fact, we beat Portsmouth on the last day of the season. All the Portsmouth fans were cheering. Some of them came in half Portsmouth, half West Brom shirts because we were sending Saints down if we won. That's hilarious. That's quite good. I like that. We were bottom on the last day. Portsmouth gave you the win. The players did them, but... It's like in the, is it the Blackburn game? They just like passing around. They knew they were both going to stay up.

51:19So yeah, going into the last day, we were bottom of the league. We needed three teams. It was pretty shocking, but it's not as bad. It's not as shocking as... See? Because any team could have stayed up. So was it that shocking? Yeah, that's a good point. Any one of the teams could have stayed up. So one of them's going to stay up. No, no, but we basically have no chance, even on the last day. But you always have a chance. But by your own logic, that means you were in four. You said it's... We only won six games all season. One was on the last day. You argued for winning stuff against relegation stuff.

51:49So, couldn't you put that on the same level as Birmingham winning? At Christmas, were you really far gone? Yes. Yeah, so you could argue that you actually built back into it. I know you only won six games, but you got back in there. How many games did we've won at Christmas? So, you got back in there and were on better form. So, actually, you could argue it wasn't that shocking that you stayed up. You definitely... You see what I'm saying? True. I see what you're saying. True, but it's more... The reason it was shocking, especially on the last days, we still needed so much to go in our favour on the last day you'd won until Manchester City on the 27th of January was your second win yeah so you won yeah four you beat Birmingham Charlton, Everton we won four games from Christmas yeah but you were in pretty good you were actually in pretty good state you drew to United the week before I was there at that actually classic Earn-Tron Penn that was wasn't it if I remember it well and obviously Richard Richardson scored against Blackburn a few weeks prior I'd say a C I remember it well I'd personally go B but we go with the majority we'll go C Well surely we go with the West Brom fan No But I think That's probably more reason not to They were playing more We're going to see then Alright At the time They weren't Palace I think Palace Palace beat us 3-0 This one is the Go on then Theo I'll let you into this Is it going to be God be ass Man City winning the title Of literally the last kick of the football match Correct Man City winning the title After Man United Celebrated winning the title God be ass That was the greatest day It was shocking It was a shock It was shocking Yeah It's just absolute history I think it's more iconic than shocking.

53:10It was unbelievably shocking. Actually, that is a good point. I disagree. It was unbelievably shocking. It's not shocking. Because also... Beating QPR in the last minute. No, it was because QPR were also fighting for their survival as well. That was what hung in the balance of the game. So it wasn't just a nothing game against a rollover team. And it looked like they'd, again, not got over the line. For their first ever title in this new dynasty, it's got to be F. It was a shock. Because it wasn't just them beating QPR. It was the manner they did at the last kick of the game. That's a shock. There's no world that we can't...

53:38You would have thought game's done and then... Against your biggest rival. Yeah, but it's just iconic though. It's not shocking. It is shocking. That was the most shocking moment ever. Man City beat QPR. It was a shocking moment. The last kick of the game to win a game is always shocking, of course. No, it was more than that. But with the actual context of it, Man City at the start of the day, all they needed to do was beat QPR at home to win the league. That's irrelevant. It was not irrelevant. The moment that that goal goes in, and as you're looking on the screen it's got half and half screen one screen you're looking at Man United and Rooney again iconic it's just iconic it's amazing it's the best moment in Premier League history no it was shocking you're looking at it and you're like I can't believe what I'm witnessing you don't want to don't get mixed it's iconic now but back then it was shocking you don't watch it and it's like this is iconic but you were saying wait which part are you saying is shocking that goal going in the moment of that going in that was absolutely shocking so is it just the Aguero goal or City winning the league no it's Aguero's goal It's an absolute shocking moment.

54:40Symptoms of being shocked, speechless, mouth open, in awe. I can't believe what I'm fucking seeing. I was all three. The commentator is saying you'll never see anything like this. We never will. It's shocking. Yeah, fair. We might. No, we won't. That's more likely to happen than Leicester win the league. The last kick of the game to win the Premier League. Yeah, that could definitely happen. It didn't fall off against Villa for City. Against Villa, with Gundogan scored. Lads, come on. You're looking too much into the words of iconic. It's iconic now because of the back of it. Thank you. That's what we're saying.

55:11Are we seriously going to put it on the same level as Leicester winning the league? I think that's up there, mate. It's A, but if you're talking iconic Premier League moments, OK, so you don't think it's a shock. Oh, 100%. But bottom line is, it's A. Look, Wigan winning the FA Cup is more shocking than Man City getting a last minute winner against QPR. You need to look at the actual context of the moment. I think it's A. It was the one that was unbelievable shocking moment. It's not F. Yeah, I'm going A. I think so. For me, it's a spot majority. I can see it. Blackburn winning the Prem. Wasn't that strong.

55:37They spent so much money. They were basically Man City, weren't they? Yeah. Not that I remember. I can see it just because he was Blackburn. Aston Villa getting relegated. That was pretty shocking, but he's probably on the same level as Newcastle. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. B? Because they'd flirted with it a little bit. B? Yeah. B? Liverpool are getting 97 points, but not winning the league. If you said at the start of the season, Liverpool get 97 points, you'd say they won the game. That's a shock. But then at the time, are you surprised Man City got that 99 points? Probably not. No, you're not. Yeah, that's a tough one.

56:14I go to see me. I'll let you three. Look away with hindsight, all right? At the start of the season, somebody says to you, Theo, you're going to get 97 points, Arsenal are going to, and you're not going to win the league. But I would argue, actually, Tom is right. I'd argue, okay, if we haven't won the league, who's won the league? It's Man City. There's only one other team If you told me Oh man City You're going to get 98 points I wouldn't be that shocked There's only three teams In the history of English football Who've got more Twice City Once Liverpool And they all won it Yeah And then after that It's like 95 It's so weird Because it's a shock That they didn't win the league But it's not a shock That City won the league It's not like I'm thinking about the time I wasn't that shocked It wasn't like The reason you weren't shocked At the time was It wasn't like This season happened out of nowhere Everyone knew These two teams were clear And the managers were clear And it was At the time It was actually plausible for them to both to dominate that one.

57:02But then this is why also moments get ranked higher in this because moments are more shocking than a whole season but on the face of it Man City scoring a last minute winner against QPR is not as shocking as getting 97 points and not winning the league but the moment of it obviously it imprints in your head doesn't it? I think it's C mate. I was thinking B. It can't be C. It is. 97 points. 97 points. It's ridiculous. And not winning the league. They lost one game Yeah I'm going to go A I think it's A They lost one game And didn't win the league They lost one game They've got to be better though They've got to get good Yeah get good Just get good I'm going to go B Who did they lose to Fuck it let's do B City Yeah that was the one Where John Stones It was the John Stones Where he cleared off the line Oh that's mental It's 2-1 wasn't it I think it's A I'm happy with A or B I'm alright with B Let's go B I'll go A Simple man 100 points man City It wasn't really that shocking It never happened It is a lot of points It's a lot of points At the time it never happened But were you shocked that that was the team that did it?

58:09No Again like this sort of stuff in context This team was like capable It was putting in these crazy numbers It's wildly one of the most impressive things ever in the Premier League Everyone knew it was sort of coming from the seasons that were having That is the level that they had stowed upon themselves How many points did they have the season before that for example? How many points did they have the season before they did that? like it's not shocking if they like got 97 98 the year before that was their level you're like yeah I can see this coming like that's a C yeah they were like comfortably getting 90 points like we can't get mistaken with big achievements to shock and moments they arguably made like 90 plus points like the norm yeah so it's not shocking if it's just a few more wins isn't that shocking is it if this was unbelievable achievement list it would be different you know they won titles on like 72 points and shit yeah is that right 76 maybe well the season before the season before Theo they finished third who did on 78 points City and then the year after they got 100 points me no I'm saying Man City that's a bigger jump than I was anticipating but I do hear it they were especially the season wait what about the season before they finished third the season well Leicester won it oh right so they weren't in their dominant era then were they I presume I've got my years wrong was this the start of the domination they hadn't won the league since 2014 at this point and what year did they do that 2018 Right, okay That is pretty fucking So it's the start of the domination B Yeah My back of B And then there's the next one Spurs to get relegated Yeah, theoretically speaking It's S So before we do that You think the only two More shocking things That has happened In the Premier League so far Are Wigan win the FA Come and get relegated And I think Wigan should be A And I'd have that below Spurs anyway Yeah, I think Wigan is A And then it would be Leicester and Spurs I'd actually swap I think Aguero needs to be in there No, if anything, it's Gerrard.

59:56No, Chelsea. Really? Conceding 15 goals to me. That's more impressive rather than shocking. Again, this is achievement. You're thinking about achievements rather than more than... I think Wigan needs to go in A. Before we get to Spurs, we're going to go for our top three. Mate, Wigan, one of the worst teams in the league, beating Man City in the FA Cup final is mental. Yeah, but Spurs getting relegated is more mental. I agree, but he said we can have three. But we can have both of them. I think there's two clear. you got three in there but I think the third one is here and the top two are like here maybe I'm visually representing what I'm saying I suppose a one off game teams can be yeah it's not a one off game they have to get to the final whilst being a relegation team again if I remember they were in you can fluke it what was well I feel like what was that run it's six wins what was Wigan's run to the final because it's only fair because we got to an FA Cup semi-final and that semi-final was us against Portsmouth.

1:00:54The other one was Barnsley against Cardiff. Like Southampton, Southampton and Port Vale could be in the semi-final. It was Bournemouth, Mattlesfield, Huddersfield, Everton, Millwall, Man City. Yeah. Luke, Leeds and West Ham are going to be in the semi-final, which means you could see a Leeds getting the result against fucking Liverpool. I know you're obviously the best team in the country, but Arsenal's run to this FA Cup final has been like so easy. Yeah, drop them to A and put Spurs in S Palace got into two FA Cup finals in like 10 years and then I'm happy Oh, there we go, there's our list So what would be bigger?

1:01:33Spurs getting renegated or Leicester winning the league? Yeah, Leicester Nothing tops that Yeah Right, moving on Did everyone see England got knocked out Wales, Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland and Ireland Jimmy Lee's not here Where's me, Jamie Lee? Jimmy Lee's home right in the corner By the way, weren't they all in prime position? 2-0 up. They all went out. Wales and Ireland both lost on pens. Yeah, but Ireland were 2-0 up. Republic of Ireland lost on pens. Northern Ireland lost like 2-0. It is fucking funny. But following on from that, we are going to do our top 10 British players of all time.

1:02:11We know Ireland isn't in Britain. We haven't included them. Yeah, we all know that. We're just talking about who went out. The top 10 British players ever. But this is from 92 onwards when the Prem started because obviously we are young pups. Did you know Harvey Vale has chosen to represent Ireland? The one at QPR? Yeah. No. Neither did I. He's not going to play for England. He's going to keep up with that info. Harvey Barnes stuck to his guns and he managed to get his fortune a call. Yeah, we are. By the way, can we just quickly talk on England? We're just not that good, are we? We're not going to win it.

1:02:40Oh, wait. Thoughts on Ben White? Signed up for Newcastle, you know. I don't care. You don't care? Do you think he should have been rightfully booed or not? Not really. It's his life. Surely we need to go. No one actually knows what's going on. People need to get over it, don't they? Even Henderson came out and actually really defended him. That's why he's in the squad. I just think, also, what's he going to gain? It's a friendly, like, but yeah. A bit concerning that, basically, the whole Arsenal squad have now injured. They're just fucking cheating. That's good for you. It's genius from our town.

1:03:09It's cheating, mate. It's cheating. I like Fergie and everything. Fergie is cheating, mate. It's a disgrace. It's cheating. I don't want to bore you with the championship. They're fucking injured. We've got Blackburn on Monday, right? a relegation battle. Isaac Price, one of our best players, plays in Northern Ireland. The Northern Ireland manager is the Blackburn manager. So he's obviously going to play 90 minutes, isn't he? Like just in a fucking meaningless friendly. How is that fucking allowed? How is he the manager of both? You can, can't you? It's very rare now. That used to be, that used to happen quite a while.

1:03:40What's happening? It's so weird. Do you not remember playing football? Stuart Pearce did England and City, didn't he? Hang on, straight. Do you not remember playing football manager and being like England manager and somebody else manager? Did Stuart Pearce do England and City at the same time? Wait, sorry, sorry. Rewind a sec, sorry, sorry. How can he concentrate on both? Because you're only doing it for a few months. The start is easy. You've got to like, oh, I suppose it's not. I don't think internationals is that hard. Anyway. One question I wanted to quickly ask you though, lads. Will you be supporting Scotland at the World Cup?

1:04:05No, I want them to lose 10-0 every week. Why would we be? I like Scotland. I lose big class, man. Why win? That's like, Will, that's like me asking you, would you be supporting West Brom on the weekend? West Brom? No, it's different, it's different. It's not. Is there a thing around should you get behind the home nations or not? So it's all the derbies. That's true. Do you think we should? I'm ambivalent towards it. I don't really mind. No, I do. No, no, don't sit on the fence. No, I'd support England but not because I wouldn't actively support whoever Scotland are playing. I wouldn't if they didn't act the way they act.

1:04:37You know like Northern Ireland and the Welsh. The Welsh, all the Welsh lads will have fucking, who's in our group? Senegal. They'll all have Senegal flags in their bio when they play us. It's funny though, isn't it? It's funny. I don't know so if we didn't qualify I wouldn't be supporting teams against them but I'd have a chuckle but now we're in the same tournament as them yeah I want them to rot do you know what actually if I'm honest if I was them and England didn't qualify I'd be rooting against them I'd just be hate watching yeah but we don't because we're class I know yeah exactly but you can't say you wouldn't we would be hate watching it's fun is it not a one way thing though I don't really care yeah we don't care we just pat them on the head the thing is I want active support but when Scotland in tournaments, their fans are so good.

1:05:20They are brilliant. They are brilliant fans, to be fair. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, great. They get no points, though. Anyway. We'll see about that. Top 10 British players. Mate, they're not getting out of that group. Morocco and Brazil. Andy Robb? Good luck. Andy Robb? Oh, I love Robb. You support Robb, wouldn't you? Let's go Robb. I'm going to go first. Go on, boy. Top 10 British players of all time. This is from 1992 onwards, so no Bobby Charlton, no George Best. George Best, no Kevin Keegan. Even though Kevin Keegan did come across in the 90s. Right, in 10th, I've got Chris Brunt. It's a joke, guys.

1:05:54He's not joking, though, is he? It's a joke. Right, number 10, I've got Roy Keane. Number nine, I've got... What are you doing? Gotcha, bitch! You had me questioning that. Oh, this is all fake so far. Yeah, right, okay. The only reason I half struggle with this list is because I was getting confused with how well I did internationally. Well, you can factor that in. No one's won trophies anyway. It doesn't matter. It's about individual appearances and goals. Yeah, but anyway. Number 10, I've got Ashley Cole. Oh, I like that. You know what I'm talking about. That's fucking brilliant. Number nine, I've gone Shearer.

1:06:27Oh my God, that's a brilliant shout out. Jesus, that's law. Eighth, I've gone Kane. That's law. It's always a law. Seventh, I've gone Beckham. Sixth, Ryan Giggs. Sixth? Yeah. Only because these three, I can't separate. Should I put them all together? I've gone fifth Gerrard Fourth Scholes Third Lampard Second Rooney First Bale Okay I like that I have a lot of talking points here Thomas Garrett I don't appreciate First of all I think You did a right thing In doing Lampard Gerrard Scholes All in just that bunch I couldn't separate them really Second Giggs No Giggs is sixth I'm mine Yeah so I think that's incredibly wrong Because I've tried to factor in For example 13 Premier Leagues two Champions League yeah mate amazing amazing career but I also tried to factor in their ability like he was unbelievable yeah he was a great player but I personally think I've just it's obviously hard Tom you had his thing he's a knobhead as well do you think international comes into play with Giggs no because it's not his fault his nation was shit but then also the same side with Bale Bale dragged them there and Giggs actually had better players he only had 60 caps he famously just prioritised he also had better players like the likes of Bellamy and that around, Hartson, Gary Speed, yeah.

1:07:46You'll make me want to move him down. He did have a better international team. Takeaway international, even if you just look at his club career. Yeah, it's amazing. But also, I do have this thing with the United lads. Stop Harders. Oh, come on, man. No, no, they were amazing, right? Do you think United win less Premier Leagues if gigs ain't there? Potentially. But potentially, but you're not going definitely. Yeah, but that is a team, he was a critical part of that squad. Him down the left-hand side, the way he used to fly. Was he ever their best player? Yeah. Probably for a season of two. Yeah, 97, 98.

1:08:18Fuck off, was he there? When Roy Keane was there. But also, Tom, you could argue that... Cantona. Was Cantona there then? Giggs. Yeah, Cantona was in mid to late 90s. What was I going to say about Giggs? Giggs was an amazing player. His longevity as a career to then also adapt to... He still played on the wing when he couldn't move. No, he didn't. He played centre-man. I know, but he still was on the left-hand side a fair amount. All right then, but then are we going to put Milner in here for longevity and he won trophies? You didn't win 13 Premiers. I think we all, I don't know, also I wasn't alive for when Giggs was a flying wing.

1:08:49Can I also ask you a question about Harry Kane? I understand why you've put him there. Kane ability wise would be top three. And also I think by the end of his career he might be top three as well, potentially top four with how many trophies he goes on to win with Bayern Munich but he hasn't won them yet. You also know my thoughts on Kane in big games and stuff. He's a nagging doubt for me. Would you like to discuss Alan Shearer here, Lewis Bodum? Yeah, I think it's too low but I know we've sort of done the Tom Alan Shearer debate I kind of know his thoughts Shearer was great but then also again I have to I am trying to be I can't not have Giggs and Shearer in I saw the end of their career so it's hard for me But you know how good they are Yes but it is also hard to kind of take that out of your mind You know how good Giggs and Shearer are Let's be honest Let's not beat around the fucking bush here Tom But I didn't I didn't watch their prime the way I watched Rooney but you've watched Euro 96 video yeah but before that by the way Shearer everyone was calling for him not to play because he played that badly for England but is that not that speaks to like if the manager goes despite these by the way he's never had greater strikers in the country and never will he's the second highest by the way he's the second highest striker English striker in my list sorry third after Rooney so who's number one and two for you Rooney second and then Bale.

1:10:11Nice. Right. 10th Gascoigne. 1992? It wasn't really valid. I know he played, but it is camp. After 92? It's a bit of a shit shout. He's still got. I'm like 88, 89, 90. I wasn't born in any of this. 86 to 90. He probably dropped off after 92. That's also a mixture of how much I like him as well. Can we have a little so that's a good start. Mate, by 92, weren't he playing with like Rangers or something like Gryppler played with him actually friend of the show I just I can't help when I rank these lists it's kind of it's more personal isn't it it's like who you like as well he was playing with fucking Lazio there you go that was I mean four goals I mean the big thing is how he played at Euro 96 as well exactly yeah that's fair that is fair we talk about Shearer in Euro 96 as well Gazza was pretty critical on that team 9th Skulls 9th I've actually changed of my Skulls Gerrard Lampard positioning during this list.

1:11:12So have I. I finally accepted what I feel to be true and not be pressured into having to say Skulls is better because all the basketball players said so. Fuck off. You can still say... He's amazing. He's not a favourite. You can still say someone's had a better career but still think someone's... You prefer someone else. Yeah, he's amazing but he wasn't to my taste compared to the other two options. Eighth, Gerrard. I actually use Harry Kane to separate Gerrard from Lampard. It's my personal. and then Paul Beckham fifth, Giggs fourth Shearer third thank you very much Shearer third is fucked I don't think it is I feel like that Euros is all time Premier League top goal scorer that is a big thing and also not doing it at like Man United which he could have he did at a Newcastle he has got Premier League one thing I always looked on Shearer as well is like he had major injuries on his knees like he missed massive chunks to his career lost all his pace and that I think Euro 96 sums up like I'd say you have Lydicke, Les Burdans, Andy Cole and Alan Shearer is the one who's chosen if anything he's underrated that's phenomenal sorry Lou the whole, you know we always say Shearer's top Premier League goalscorer, I think that is getting slipped, people aren't taking that seriously enough he's so clear top goalscorer it never does, because you keep hearing look, maybe Haaland does do it but before Haaland it was Kane, and before Kane it was Jerry Henry, and maybe because Shearer didn't leave the league exactly they would have been Harry Kane would have easily done it.

1:12:38Fuck it, they didn't. No, I know, but I know. But there's also a context to it. It's an amazing record and Shearer was amazing. But you would sit also, though. But if those players stayed in the league as long as him, they would have broke it. But also, he did it in a generation of football where there was less goals scored generally. Like, if you look at Cantona's seasons that I sung about, he actually didn't score. If you put it into sort of modern seasons, it's nothing, anything shocking a lot of seasons. There was a couple of seasons where he scored like 12 or 14. He was more of like, he wasn't just an out-and-out goals.

1:13:04I know, but what I'm saying is generally now, the teams that are at the top score a lot more goals and those are where the big strikers play Kane is the exception but generally in football we're seeing more goals and it's from individuals I don't think it's more goals across the play but you have individuals who are scoring those goals rather than the wingers contributing more So can I ask you a question if Kane comes back to the league and breaks the record I'm not asking where Kane will be would you still have Shearer third? Yeah because I'm a Newcastle fan So then it's irrelevant But what I would say is if Shearer's played in this modern game Do you think he would score more goals than what he ended with?

1:13:38I think Kane... Maybe, I don't know. Even if Kane doesn't come back and break the record, say he stays at Germany, right? I still think by the end of his career, he would be higher because he's still in his career. Because he hasn't won the trophies. I agree. I don't hold that. I think it's a brilliant record. He might win Ballon d 'Or as well, Kane. I think it's an amazing record, but I don't hold it to the same standard as others because I do think it's only still held to this day because others just haven't stayed in the league long enough. Is that not taken away a little bit? How impressive?

1:14:06I mean, that's still impressive. I don't know. Who cares? Shearer had major injuries as well. That's not spoken about enough. But yeah, then Rooney second and Gareth Bale first. He's fucking mint. Don't mind that. So far, we've got two bales on top of Rooney's. Yeah, I fucking love Bale. Mine changes everything, fellas. Here we go. Lock in. I ain't got Alan Shearer. Don't need Alan Shearer. Number 10, Ashley Cole. Yeah. Number nine, John Terry. I don't mind it Criminally underrated Number 8 I've gone David Beckham Number 7 Steven Gerrard Number 6 Paul Skulls Number 5 Ryan Giggs Number 4 Frank Lampard Number 3 By the way We all three of us have gone Lampard first I think Lampard's the best Lampard's clear Are you sort of lying to his goals?

1:14:54It's Lampard Lampard is Levels above Goal scorer man Goal scorer Number 3 Wayne Rooney Number 2 Harry Kane number one Gareth Bale why Kane now please ask questions because he is he is the greatest English better than Rooney better than Rooney he's the greatest English player of all time do you think criminally underrated better than Rooney do you not think that his lack of trophies no big game moments and performances are held should be held against him compared to the likes of Rooney who did show up in more nah because I feel like we need he needs more he needs more big games. We didn't give them enough big games.

1:15:37One thing I will say is, though, to argue against myself, is other than Euro 2004, Rooney never did it for England in tournaments. Also, Harry Kane has capped in England to two major tournament finals and nobody has ever done that. Yeah. Nobody else. And he's got a goal. I am not mad at that. I completely understand. Look, he's a Tottenham fan as well. No Shearer, though. No Shearer. There's no Shearer's mental, but like... I could have probably given it over John Terry, but I'd like to yeah like maybe a little bit yeah and also do you know like I think the reason I've got Lampard so high how many goals did he score 150 Premier League goals and the reason he gets it from that will never get broke by midfield I think it's Oliver Gerrard as well like Lampard just did it like he's won everything as well no Premier League goals look at this Premier League goals like mate that is actually 211 did I say and by the way another thing people think oh Lampard 177 He weren't a 10.

1:16:33He was an 8. He was a box to box to infielder. And he scored 177 Premier League goals. I love Lampard. He's fantastic. Just on the... He's won two goals in one year. By the way, it was only like 15 seasons. That's on average more than 10 goals a year. It's a goal a game, that is. What? He even got a few for Man City as well. Just on the Scholes-Jerrard-Lampard debate, one by one, each of you score who you think the best one was? I think it's I think it's razor tight because they're very different but me personally I'd edge it Lampard they all I go Lampard but they all have different qualities so you could say Skulls for the trophies you could say Gerrard for clutch moments or Lampard for the fucking sheer amount of goals he scored yeah but he was so underrated he's passing and he's tackling for me it's Lampard I think it was Lampard Gerrard Skulls in that order like look this is the thing Skulls was generally like the absolute best of what he did but that's more replicatable by other players than goals from that position.

1:17:35He scored fucking well. I think, well, you'll hear my list, but I think it goes Lampard, Scholes, Gerrard, but my favourite is still Gerrard. Does that make sense? My favourite is Lampard. Do you think there's a way that them three could have played together for England? No. In a three now, a 4-3-3, but it wasn't a formation back then. I think if there was, he would have found a way. Actually, no, because who'd have sat? Scholes. Gerrard. Scholes didn't play that until very late in his career. Gerrard could have sat. But then you take away from Gerrard's... None of them. All box to box. Look, if it was possible, they would have done it.

1:18:06Like, the Manit... It's not like no one thought to suggest this to them. Is this issue we have in our 10s now? They needed a Carrick. They should have played Carrick with the two of them. Carrick, criminally under it. Diamonds. But it's also what we're arguing now with Declan Rice. We all say, don't play him in the 6s because it restricts him. Play him in the 8s. If you say, oh, well, Gerrard can play the 6s, but that's not his optimal position, is it? You want him in the 8s? Your deck is an eight. I miss having these players. Declan has been playing in the six for the last four years. He's only now this season turned into an eight.

1:18:36Oh, the Prem was so much better back then. You know what's my list, guys? Go on, boy. Go on, lad. Good boy. Is that on chat GPT? I wanted to get some stats for them as well. Oh! Look at him! He's getting stats to look smart! Hey, chat GPT, can you make me look smart, please? I made my list. I was like, can you give me like trophies for each one? Can you give me the top 10 British players since 1992 and why? How can I impress my friends with ball knowledge? It doesn't work like that, son. You tried it. In 10, I've got... It doesn't work. Yeah, I tried and it didn't work actually. In 10, I got David Beckham.

1:19:1610th? I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I want you to listen to the players above him. I know, but Beckham... I know, I know, I know. He also enabled the MLS to be how they are today. Which I think goes underrated as well. is that what Chuck GBT said no it's just what my brain says it sounds like a Chuck GBT in nine Ashley Cole best left back of all time Cole ahead of Beckham was Beckham one of the best right midfielders of all time there's a bigger pool of talent in that area isn't there and he's also is he the best ever better than Maldini Roberto Carter would you say yeah I know Maldini played left back he's more of a classmate but I think he's better I think he's better than Roberto Carter I agree with that Marcelo you think he's better than Marcelo yeah Yeah No he's not He's probably not No he's better than Marcelo Marcelo Marcelo's skill merchant Alright fine Alright Tom What about this then Ashley Cole's a top three right back of all time Is Beckham a top three right midfield of all time?

1:20:11No but there's different There's different amounts of There's different amounts of talent I know I know I think Ashley Cole's just I think he's gone It's not a fair argument Because the only reason to become a fucking fullback Is because you couldn't make it as a winger Yeah That's like saying The best left back in Prem history Is probably He's Astro Cole, obviously. But where would you rank like, I don't know. I bet he was a winger growing up. Yeah, he was. But there you go. He wasn't good enough. So you can't say that he's the best laugh back in the... Three Premier League, Champions League, four.

1:20:37I just think also... It's only nine and ten. It's not like they're miles apart in the list. Also, he's Beckham in it. Yeah, he's Daddy Bex. Okay. In eight, I've got Harry Kane, same as you, I think. In seven... Why so low, Theo? We're doing this again. We just had a big discussion. No, no, just for your personal note. I think because his career is not done, I think he will go on to be even higher. I just think the trophies. And I know you could say the same for Shearer, but he's had his career and he did win a Prem. And I know Kane's going to Bundesliga and he'll probably hopefully get a Champions League for him and maybe a Ballon d 'Or.

1:21:14I just think at this stage of his career, he's got room to grow into it. And Shearer's cooler. I wouldn't say that. Actually, yeah, I would say that, yeah. He's a hard one, yeah. Seven Gerrard, six goals, five Lampard. same as you lot four Shearer three gigs two Rooney and one Bale wow unanimous top two yeah fair we've all agreed on Garth Bale why he's the GOAT dragging Wales to do the things he did he got Wales for a semi-final also he also dragged that Spurs team wasn't great as a player I can't think of players who I'd compare him to it's the same way when I think of Yaya Turin how like different he was unplayable yeah he's just so athletic he's more athletic for me than like Ronaldo was yeah 100 % he's just so direct didn't he win two PFL players of the year at Spurs five Champions Leagues then he went to Real Madrid won five Champions Leagues three Leaguers scored goals 41 goals for Wales scored goals in finals dragged Wales to what semi-final a Euro semi-final his career is like impeccable and he also just decided just to he fucking loves retire he loves golf fucking loves it he didn't play as much golf as he everyone thinks Oh, I wish he did.

1:22:24He didn't play as much golf, but single-handedly got to it. By the way, I'm sorry, if you move to Spain, I'm going to play a fucking golf. Admittedly, did fall off a little bit earlier than most, but then that's, again, this is because he was playing at 16. Same as Wazza. And he's such an athletic player that you're naturally going to buy Real Madrid. Also, when he came back to Spurs that low. He was all right, yeah. He was actually good, man. He was good. 11 goals in 20 games. He had like a purple patch. Real Madrid. He only scored two in 12 at LAFC. Mate, he didn't care. He didn't care. Washed.

1:22:50I want to just a couple of players that you might not include in your top 10 I just want to ask why Rio Ferdinand nah I just don't like him because I'm not having defenders and goals and also he's a big nodder but Ashley Cole yeah but Ashley Cole is different but you'd put John Terry over Ferdinand though I would as well 100 % yeah 100 % it's a bit piqued to be a centre-half though even Ashley Cole is Ashley Cole's lucky to be in it it's only because he's so unanimously the best English left but you're not going to say Ferdinand and Terry of the top three centre-backs of all time. If we've just had this...

1:23:22I know, I know. Put John Stones ahead of... I think if you're going to put a centre-back in, it would be John Terry. Yeah. I understand why none of you have chose this player, but the last Englishman to win the Ballon d 'Or was... Michael Owen. I almost had Michael Owen in... Get him out. But I just think he was too short of a career. One good season. His peak. Also... Was it? Like, his peak was. Nah, his peak was when he was a... 17 to what, 23's peak? No. When he was at Liverpool. In this year we're talking about, he's the only player from Britain to win a Ballon d 'Or. And he doesn't hit the top 10.

1:23:56He wasn't. But no, his issue is injuries. It killed him. Killed his career. Yeah, but Lewis used the argument with Shearer. No, but Shearer was still amazing after the injuries. But are we underestimating? He wasn't the same player. He's also a prick. He's not. Don't get me wrong. He's a friend of the show. He'd be like my top 15. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was. Also, he should have broke the record for England and he never did. He never did, yeah. He did his knee in the 2006 World Cup as well. Yeah, he was in Sweden. It's the Joe Cole goal. Any other players that you thought almost made it in there?

1:24:30Any Scotland players? Andy Robertson? No. Mick Tomley? No. No Scottish and fucking... Andy Robertson? Andy Robertson would be the closest one though, wouldn't he? No. I mean, I've got... In my top three are two Welsh players. I wanted to. out of love and just everyone's got how he's done for England was put Pickford in but I just couldn't he'd be too far out do you think Pickford's now the best England goalie of all time or do you think it's still 10-3 in our lifetime yes I don't know I think of all time I mean what we can remember Chilton and Banks we didn't it's hard to that's why I was yeah I can't comment on that in our generation yes by far if he wins the World Cup with us then he's the best of all time he's got three finals and a World Cup win yeah well let's hope we win the World Cup then innit for Harry Kane's Ballon d 'Or sake or Declan Rice to be fair do you think we'll win the World Cup no I don't think I really hope do you know what really cemented it the other day did you see the French forwards oh my god they've got five first teams mate mate they've got like Alise Eketike Mbappe Dembele Desiree Douai it's like never ending we've got Kane and Salam Keane Tottenham past and present boys I love Harvey Barnes I love him and I'm so glad he got that car.

1:25:46Stop it. We've got the best strike in the world. Do you know what? Do you know what? The French cannot feel five teams. They only feel one. Can I just say something? They just have cool names. I'm convinced, right? Do you know, like, Jarrod Bowen over Saka, this and that. That game, I know it's only one game, that showed that this is why these players don't play for England or play for West Ham and they don't play for one of the big boys. I also think as well, like, you want a player who's used to playing with top quality, like, with top quality players around you with high expectations. since I saw Sakharov.

1:26:15It's like, Bowen, you're not the big dog in this team. It's almost like little things. There's a reason Jared Bowen has played at West Ham for so long. And whereas Alise was what? He loved his game. 18 months. And then a massive club goes, we'll have you. They know, don't they? No, it's a cool name. Southgate got a lot of criticism for not bringing clubs out, teams that plays outside the big six. There's a reason. There is a reason. I disagree. I think we've actually seen Dan Byrne play very well. Well, Southgate. Yeah, but that's another thing Dan Byrne might be going to the World Cup. Two, right?

1:26:48That centre-halve is shocking. Two for eight. You can play a left-back. Do you know one thing? Did you watch him at the Nou Camp? Ah, it was a one-off. Guys, do you think we're going to have, with Tuchel in charge now, you know how Southgate sort of brought a togetherness to England that was very much needed, wasn't it? Like, how's Trent not in the squad? Yeah, that's mental. But do you think the way Southgate brought togetherness, especially with the fans and the teams and the players to come together, we were really behind. Do you think we're going to have that same feeling this summer? I think it's going to be more we need to win.

1:27:16Which I don't mind that. I also think we're going to be... Now there's such expectation. Any bad performance now is... Under Southgate, it was almost... People obviously slagged him off on this and that. But they went, well, well, it's Southgate. Obviously, we're going to be boring and shit. Now under Tuchel, the expectation is, oh, we should be winning and winning well. But Tom, we have a responsibility to the nation to provide positive thoughts only. So all together... I'm going to give my honest opinion. Three, two, one. Come on, England. Wow, that was great. I hope you're watching, England.

1:27:49I hope you're watching. Hang on, hang on, hang on. And if you're watching... I'm asking you, do you think England will win the World Cup? Yes. Why did you look down when you answered that? So I thought about France, and I said, fuck the French, in my head. So then I said England. Do you think we'll win the World Cup? Yep. Give us a 25 % chance. That's all we need. I think there's like four teams who are in the running, and it depends on a lot of things with the draw and like France, Spain, Argentina Brazil I'll put Brazil I think we're better than Brazil Portugal but we won't handle the heat either Portugal have got a good team we won't handle do you know what the air issue is don't you have fucking homeland up front I saw a lot of people say about I saw a lot of people say about I don't even know who that is but I just know I saw a lot of people say bring in Tony because he is playing in the heat thoughts?

1:28:37No No No I'd bring him in Because he's probably our third best striker. Yeah, because it's fucking stupid. It's not. It makes sense. Oh, come off it, Lou Dog. Anyways, guys, England are going to win the World Cup. Yeah. Is that it? Is that the show over? If you want. Yeah. Guys, remember the rare five stars and subscribe. Yeah, and make sure you go and give Danny loads of abuse because he doesn't get much. Oh, guys. Don't forget to... That was a joke. Stop being mean to Danny. He's a really nice guy. Thanks, boys. Thanks so much for coming on. I really do appreciate it. Thank you, boys. We love the footy.

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