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10:58Reev:that we're just out of the relegation battle. Hold that thought, because I don't know if you watched the video I sent in the group chat a couple of days ago about a running predictor. No. And Newcastle were dragged into it. Oh, the classic running predictor. Because of the way the fixtures are. Is this where a dog chooses the results? No, it's the way the fixtures are. Who not to pursue? Lou, you're not out of the relegation. We're fine. We're fine. Wasn't that cool? I will say, like... No, you're not. I kind of... I actually kind of... Everyone's getting on to Eddie Howell's back at the moment.

11:26Royfully so? No, no, no. You could be dragged into it. You didn't let me finish my sentence. over Volta Marder and like the whole dropping. I actually quite respect him in a time of like absolute just like it's going it's going absolutely shit. He's not panicking. He's not like listening to all fans he's sticking to his guns and he's willing to still make ballsy decisions. Like dropping Hall was like mental but in reality it's actually yeah it was actually quite a clear he's not scared to make these decisions which actually gives me a bit of confidence.

11:53Lewis Bowden:Actually in theory it was a bad decision because how many times in the second half could you get the ball wide and it's Dan Byrne I don't think Dan Byrne had a bad game who would you rather be in a high wing back position Hall or Byrne yeah because that's Hall's strength but against Arsenal who were so prominent from set pieces yeah but they didn't use them that's my point I know but did they not use them because Dan Byrne is there if you had Hall are they then going to start doing it you know what I mean I think it was I actually agree with what he did and with Volta Marta everyone's like see this is what it worked guys everyone's like see this is what Volta Marta can do I don't think that situation as clear or simple as him just not using them.

12:31I reckon, I think it's the same with Volta Marder and Wissler. I reckon there's more happening behind the scenes where it's like, because Eddie Howell's always been more like, if you're not completely dedicated, you're not going to play. So I think there's a bit of, there's always shit going on behind the scenes. I can understand him not playing Volta Marder

12:47Lewis Bowden:just for the, away from home at the Emirates. Like you want a bit of athleticism. He's great in the 10 though. Really good in the 10. Yeah, and obviously when you come on, you add more of the ball. But like initially away from home at Arsenal, you're not going to go there with a Volta Marder because you're not going to have most of the ball here. But then obviously, second half, when you come on, that was a good sub. I think he's battling entitlement from some players.

13:07Reev:Asura's in a bit of form. He's earned the right to start him. It's not like it's a crazy decision. He's been better than Vista. He's better at press. He's better in our system and it's not as simple as just let's play Volta Marder up front. Everyone's playing these fucking go-eye I'm not even on about Volta Marder.

13:23Lewis Bowden:I think it's the correct decision to play Asura over Vista. for sure so the discourse in the fan base is like why are you not playing Volkman look at these goals at the start of season and they forget he's shit by himself up there I'm sorry he can't press he hasn't got the legs to play in the way we play and it's not as simple as to do well let's just do two up top it's in the Premier League you can't just change it overnight and just have a new system but that's what you were going to do yeah but like Luke could you not go into

13:49Reev:like a 4-2-3-1 though could you not play like a Bruno G Denali midfielder and then a Volkman in the 10 this is where we're just like playing FIFA though. This is what I mean, this is where you're playing FIFA. It doesn't really work like that. Bruno could run us though. They'd get overran. They'd get overran. A lot of people play two midfield and the one in front though.

14:06Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but that one in front usually drops in and can run. Valtemar can't do that. He's a bit of a luxury player really. You play him at home. I wouldn't play him in big away games, Valtemar, just because he's, it's such a tough asking. Like look, Bruno Fernandes spins half his running backs. You know what I mean?

14:22Reev:Even Erdogan, like to a degree. I know we laugh and joke about you being in a relegation battle, but if you actually look at the teams you're playing, there is every chance you are dragged into it. By the way, 100%. Yeah, one of them is against Spurs. You've got Brighton at home, then you've got Forrest away, West Ham at home and Fulham. You're playing two teams around you. I'm pretty sure this is enough points to get you over. Is it? I'd say it sucks. Spurs go on a winning run. I'd love it if you went down. I'm so numb to it.

14:52Lewis Bowden:Like, fuck it. I'd fucking piss my little pants I know we're laughing at Joke but there is every chance they're in there Lou if you lose to Brighton and then Spurs Forest and West Ham or even just Spurs and West Ham win would you start getting worried

15:05Reev:there's not any ifs mate if you lose your next game

15:07Lewis Bowden:and Forest win you're level on points with Forest no he gave you one if he gave you one if there if you lose against Brighton and the four below you win would you get worried no I don't think through all the fixtures I don't see 42 points being a relegated position but Lewis so it's like I'm not worried

15:21Reev:Not in Forest Win the next game You lose You level on points With Forest That just means You will not convince me That they're not They're worried Like you can think Like genuinely There's nothing you can see To convince me Because we have 42 points And I don't think The team that gets You do have to remember That Leeds also play Spurs And they're both below We're absolutely We're fine Newcastle play West Ham and Forest Yeah but it doesn't matter

15:42Lewis Bowden:If Spurs beat Leeds Leeds only need one win To go above Newcastle Yeah That is true Yeah I'm not They're like I obviously don't think it's going to happen but there is a chance it isn't completely out of the question one thing I will say is it could be a funny last day of the season where it's actually where it's actually like fucking hell you'll be laughing a lot it'd be so funny wouldn't it

16:04Reev:imagine he just got relegated how funny would that be 42 points is fine your record against Fulham's like pretty terrible in recent season as well our record against everyone's shit in it honestly I cannot wait for the end of the season to get rid of all the fucking players who think they're too big for the club looking for a way out honestly let's have another Isaac let's sell anyone who wants a goal just fucking sell them he doesn't want to know he won't go who are you picking out by saying that like who do you it's not even who have you seen from performances where people think they're too big for Newcastle I don't think it's like the not trying I think some of them rightfully should move on like Liverpool should move on and I want him to because he's injured all the time anyways Gordon should move on they're playing like they're too big for the club so who are the players that are doing it I didn't say that he did he just did I said if they want to if no No, if they want...

16:52No, I didn't say they're playing like that. I'm saying if you think that you're too big and you'd leave. I'm not saying they're out there half-arsing it. No, but you said they put their team in the club.

17:00Lewis Bowden:Get rid of the players you think they're bigger than the club. So to clarify that, like Gordon is saying he thinks he's outgrown the club is what the media's reported. It's not what he's saying. It's what the media's reported. And I would argue... I would argue... If I was... What the media reported. He's not going to come out and say that, is he? Who knows? But if I was Gordon, I would be looking at a Barry Munich and be like, I can go do what? Who are you scrapping

17:23Reev:and going into next season? I'd sell Tonali because you get a lot of money off him. I'd sell Gordon, Livermento. You're going to get relegated next season. The thing is, the teams went stale and we have to, and for us to spend them. So I'll sell me this, please. Can I interject? Can I interject? We have to sell. We do have to sell. Can I interject?

17:42Lewis Bowden:We have to sell. Do you not think there is a common denominator of why you've gone stale? Yeah. Genuinely. You see and sell your best players, but you did that to Isaac in the summer and you've gone downhill rapidly. No, but that's... The thing is... That doesn't matter. The difference is that was we didn't go to that window wanting to sell it. We weren't going and preparing to sell Isaac. So there's no plan. And that was a whole mess. There's no point looking at that window. We agree it's a fucking... an absolute mess. Yeah, but it is still relevant to going into next season. If you are, again, going to sell these players for big money, which is probably going to happen, you're going to have a big budget.

18:14Lewis Bowden:Yeah. Do you... I don't know if you've got a sporting director or whatever's going on with that. if you go in if you go into this summer again do you trust Howe and whoever to get it right when he got it so badly wrong I think the worst thing we can do I think the worst thing we can do is going in I think right now the ball they're meeting with Howe like next week because they're just visiting but I think they need to decide right now Howe's staying you're not here for the pod then because you're there yeah Howe's staying we're backing him in the window and we're going full on there if we're going in like oh maybe he's staying maybe he's not then you're just going to fuck it all up again

18:47Reev:Do you want to happen? Because last week you were Howl. I wasn't Howl. I was never Howl.

18:51Lewis Bowden:He's never been Howl. I do just want to ask you a few questions, though, or make a few points. I do think every manager has a shelf life at a club, and I don't think Eddie Howl's... I think Eddie Howl's a great manager, and he's done a great job at Newcastle. I do just think, like... Similar to Arteta, I think, especially if Arsenal don't win anything, I think sometimes you have to go, look, you've done as much as you can, and I think we need new ideas, fresh ideas. I don't watch that Newcastle team, and think they're not playing for him. I don't think that one bit. I agree. I don't think they sack it off.

19:21Lewis Bowden:But I do watch you and I think you're out of ideas. I watch you against Arsenal the weekend and you're getting into good positions and it's just like... Panic. Not panic. It's like they're out of ideas. And I do just think he's been there that long probably saying the same things. It's not a conscious decision that the players are out of ideas or not trying for him. I do just think maybe they need a new voice or a new person in there to change it up to mix it up because I do think you've been found out by the whole Newcastle two years ago one of the hardest teams to play like the pressing like early in the game they'd be on it like you wouldn't be throwing away silly goals had two banks of four like when they were defending like obviously Ezek's a massive player but they were fast on the break now I watch you and it's like it's like 50 % of that and it's been a constant theme through the whole season where I know you've had players out as well which is fair but even when players have come back in I just feel like there's just some I feel like the spark's gone to summarise I think the spark's gone and I'm not sure I think when that goes and also the fans have turned a little bit I think once that goes that's so hard to get back so what I'd say is that like it's a good there's a possibility where like you're completely right but I also like we could get next season and it could be still and that point I'm like right go there's no problem but I think he deserves the opportunity to properly rebuild with actual where it's not on him because he's clearly when he's left to his own devices making all the transfers it's when fucking tits up it was a mess but like be properly backed and have the chance in pre-season to change it up because I don't think we'll go into next season he can see clear his day like we need to change things up but I don't it's such a big change you can't make it like now I think it's let's get some points towards the end of the season and then we can start fixing it and I think give him the opportunity and if we start next season shit then I think he'd quit I think he'd accept it

21:09Reev:also previous seasons going into this Newcastle are one of the best defensive teams in the league and now you're one of the teams that dropped the most points from winning positions. Surely that's like, that's not on a player basis, isn't it? That's more of a tactic. No, no, no. I disagree. I think that's the players. If you're getting yourself into a winning position and then, and Hal said himself and the players are getting Trippier recently saying the players are not listening to the instructions. They're going out, they get that goal and then something's changing but they're not being told to.

21:40They're saying to keep this on, keep doing this. So that's where I feel sorry for Hal because that start actually shows like there is things that are working and then as soon as it works, we shit ourselves.

21:49Lewis Bowden:Also, when Newcastle have been really good defensively, they've had a solid base of how many different back fours have they played this season in fairness to them? Even goalkeeper. Like, it's been very rare. Newcastle had a run of games this season where the back four's been the exact same. I think that's massive. Even the midfield, like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll be... Honestly, I'm very, very confident with how next season we'll be straight back up there. You said this six weeks ago. Before we... That was more corp in,

22:18Reev:if I'm honest. You probably won't be because you won't be playing twice a week. That's also a big thing. Before we move on, Lewis, writing at home on Saturday, what do you think the atmosphere is going to be like? Do you think it's going to get toxic? Obviously, I've not been to games I've been here on stream, but from what I understand, the fans in the stadium are very much still behind how. Look, there's a lot of noise on Twitter. That's not what...

22:38Lewis Bowden:I will just interject on that. When I was listening to Talks World, when they were all phoning in after the Bournemouth game a lot of them were saying they'd been to the game and they were saying because they were asking them oh has it got toxic and they were like no it's not toxic it's just flat which is rare for Newcastle just a bit despondent yeah which because unfortunately the fans I hate when people are let's raise the atmosphere no it's down to the players to raise the atmosphere because the fans reflect what's going on in the pitch if the pitch is flat and shit they need to take the lead the fans are going to be flat and shit if they go out and take the lead then like I'd be very comfortable but it's like you just never I always say you can tell in the first 10 minutes what kind of team you've got for the day with Newcastle even when you take the lead they're going to be flat and nervy because you can see straight away all the time it's fucking shit honestly honestly all I can do is pray and just scrape ourselves to the end of the season and fucking sell everyone if I'm honest with you well that's a good ideology to take into me from one team in the relegation battle to another one are you not going to ask him I'm Howe in oh yeah I'm going to ask you this question every week until the end of the season will Eddie Howe be the manager of Newcastle in August yes he will and not only that next season I'm going to be we're coming for the lot I'm going to be the biggest smuggest knobhead when Eddie Howe's leading us in a fucking title charge

23:57Reev:honestly I'm going to go through every fucking tweet I'm going to live on I'm going to live on True Geordie's Twitter page re-quarter retweeting everything what happens if Arsenal win the league signed to Nali and you get relegated let's stay realistic over here yeah Spurs beat Wolves yep their first win of the season guys get him first win of the season well yeah not first win of the season it feels like their first win of the season I've got something

24:24Lewis Bowden:to say on this oh my god do you know there comes a time in people's lives or in football especially do you know when I tell you about like Sundays usually there's a pattern with the results it's just things in football sometimes I just think are like monumental that goal right should never like what the fuck Doherty's doing it's such a bad goal such a scrappy it's the universe giving him a game I think that's a sign I've seen signs like Simmons getting a bad injury Simmons missing the chance how badly they played how bad the game was and then just at the end they get the goal and even I even think West Ham winning is also a sign of Spurs are staying up.

25:10Lewis Bowden:Right. But as he comes to play devil's advocate,

25:12Reev:then. How's that work? I don't know. Don't ask us. You can't question the sign. That's what I was going to say, Reeves, is that they finally win a game, but everyone around them also won, so it's irrelevant.

25:23Lewis Bowden:It wasn't irrelevant. Well, I know it's not already, but it's actually, they haven't gained anything, but they haven't lost any of the game. That's momentum. On 85 minutes, they were down, like literally down. Yeah. But, but then Everton, we thought Everton had ruined the day

25:36Reev:for everyone as well, but West Ham get a last-minute winner.

25:38Lewis Bowden:And even the fact Everton should have had a penalty, I think, I just think... That was a penalty, right? A hundred percent. He punched the ball. David, I actually... This is one of the first times I've ever laughed out loud at an interview. David Moyes was so funny. He's like, well, they're telling me that they were grappling. So, I can't remember exactly what he said, but he said, they're telling me they're grappling so that's why it's not handball. but my player wasn't touching him. He was being grappled. So you're going to give the penalty for the grapple or the punch? Which one are you giving it for?

26:13Lewis Bowden:A quick one on Spurs. Obviously, first win since December in the league. Is it going to be like London Buses? I think that was against Palace. No, who did they beat? Yeah, don't worry about that. We were terrible. We were going to always give them three points. You've been terrible all season. Is it going to be like Buses? I thought you were staying up.

26:29Reev:I don't think so.

26:30Lewis Bowden:I thought you were finishing 18. Yeah, we were.

26:32Reev:So wasn't it, because Dominic Solanke went off with a hamstring injury. He's their biggest outlet at this current moment in time, unless you count Richarlison, in terms of like a four, number nine. And then they've lost their most creative player to an Achilles. Who's playing, no, he's done his ACL. Was it ACL? He's out for a year. Yeah, he's out for a year. Have you seen his Instagram now? I mean, if you're talking about signs, I understand 1-0, but that's the sign. No, but that's, I'm going the other way.

26:56Lewis Bowden:What, they went so... There's so many signs of Spurs are done. and actually they get that last minute shitty scrappy down mate I disagree they're down in the last two three weeks I've never been more convinced where some fans are sat here saying we also

27:10Reev:told last minute

27:11Lewis Bowden:I'm sorry I'm never even more convinced

27:13Reev:they've just lost their best player and their number nine I know that's exactly a game nothing lost the game to catch up Richarlison no Marnie

27:23Lewis Bowden:what is Madison back yeah how is he back yeah friend of the show well yeah friend of the show and I thought I thought Tell was good when he come on. I thought Tell was good. Tell was good when he come on. So you're back already, Madison. Do you know what you're doing right here? Tom, do you know what you're doing right now?

27:36Reev:No. You're talking about like there's some like little like... I'm telling you. Like this club that is just so shit. I have never been more convinced in my life. They're going to just lose. Yeah, they'll lose. I have never been more convinced in my life.

27:50Lewis Bowden:Tottenham Hotspur staying up 100%. We can do the points.

27:54Reev:Sorry, 7pm on a Sunday? Yeah, because they're playing Europa League. Europa League, haven't they? It's sandwiched in the Europa League. And you heard it here first. Spurs will go and win. I actually think Spurs are going to win a few games now. Villa, who are trying to compete for a European spot. Spurs will win on Sunday. Probably going to lose that one. Leeds. Leeds. Just have a bet. No, no, no.

28:14Lewis Bowden:Always have a bet. But if you think I'm so stupid.

28:18Reev:Well, no. Because if my team goes on to win nothing, I should not have the problem. Tom, they've got so shit, you now feel sorry. And you're like, I think they might do it.

28:24Lewis Bowden:No, no, no. I thought they played well against Brighton. They were shit against Wolves. but still got it done. I honestly think there's been a turn under the Zerbe. It's Wolves.

28:33Reev:You drew to them? It doesn't matter. We're top of the league. Exactly. Yeah, but it doesn't matter that we drew to them. Wolves are quite astronomically the worst team in the league. I disagree. I would say it or say it. I would just say, Villa competing for top five, right? They definitely want that position. Leeds still competing.

28:50Lewis Bowden:Villa are in the top five. They're focusing all on the Europa now.

28:54Reev:Yeah, but that doesn't mean they can't put out a team that will get them points against Spurs.

28:57Lewis Bowden:Maybe. I'm not saying that. Spurs will beat them on Sunday.

28:59Reev:Will that be enough? Because they've got to go... They'll beat Leeds. They'll beat Leeds. They'll win their next two. They won't beat Leeds.

29:06Lewis Bowden:Spurs will 100 % win their next two. You can't see 100 % though, can you? And everything a complete for Europe on the final day. It's not 100 % going to happen. In my head, it is.

29:14Reev:Oh, no. Do you think a team could go down on 40 points this season? Possibly. There's every chance, yeah. A team might even go down on 42. Can we talk about West Ham? Carl Wilson. 40 points. Hey, big up Carl Wilson, man. I miss you. I'm going to be honest, by the way. I don't think you're going down because I don't think Spurs win any football match for this season fucking shit mate yeah Callum Wilson with a last minute winner against Everton I miss you we made such a big mistake we're so sorry yeah but you don't he didn't even start you wouldn't get 90 minutes out of him anyway you just we got more out of him than what Wiss has given us they got out of him what they needed to four years ago we would have got more out of Callum Wilson this season than fucking Wiss I don't think you would have he's never fit no this Wiss has

29:52Lewis Bowden:been not been fit all season I know and Callum Wilson's actually scored goals he has scored eight in his last nine any but that's like spread across the whole season what's whistle around this season

30:02Reev:goal to minute must be good he's a great show he's a dying I feel for West because they've hit such a good run of form and they actually are playing well but their fixtures are so tough

30:12Lewis Bowden:I don't feel sorry of them they got lucky that's a stone wall penalty yeah it was a

30:18Reev:penalty

30:18Lewis Bowden:it's like a stone wall penalty that I cannot believe they didn't give that it was mental he actually had a stinker the weekend Fernandes did Six games are beaten at home though Now for West Ham The next home game is Arsenal Yep Oh my god A little bit of momentum For West Ham now We're back 100 % You might not Aren't they Aren't they since 2026 Fifth in the league On the form table That's so impressive by the way That's fucking Nuno's done some job with them Yeah Mate do you know who's been great Fucking De Sasse Well the amount of clean sheets They've kept since he came in

30:53Reev:Fucking hell He's like a rock Yeah When they bend off Kilman I think that was the It is actually really If you look at the Teams above the relegation The form from these three teams That's what I mean I just don't see You don't really see that often

31:05Lewis Bowden:That's what's buried Spurs That all of them Just keep winning Look at fucking Forrest It's all momentum man Forrest Forrest from beating In six in the league I'm sorry I know we were talking I know we were talking About Newcastle Like getting relegated But like No if we finish like 17th We're not going to get relegated But that's fucking Really embarrassing You could definitely Finish 16th or 17th That's what I mean. I agree. That's really fucking embarrassing. I think your saving grace will be if Forrest go through.

31:33Reev:Oh, yeah.

31:34Lewis Bowden:But no, the form from these teams is fucking... Do you think they will?

31:37Reev:Do you think they'll beat Villa?

31:38Lewis Bowden:I think they will beat Villa. I do know. I don't know. It's not even my anti-Villa agenda. In average competition.

31:44Reev:I just think...

31:45Lewis Bowden:I was really impressed with Forrest on Friday. I know Sunderland are on the beach, but...

31:49Reev:This is the 2026 table? Yeah.

31:51Lewis Bowden:They're eighth. Someone told me they were fifth. Still fucking good Still pretty good Yeah Really good Fight news Let's talk about Forrest then Yeah He's doing it again I don't know Just don't give him A transfer window He does have that In him though When he came in to you He was like Yeah yeah yeah

32:09Reev:You lost twice to Sunderland What do you mean Forrest just dicked Five now That's the only thing He's clinging on to The only thing He's clinging on to Is the fifth goal In the game And also actually Also Chris Wood So it's 2-2 Chris Wood played well Chris Wood is back, baby. I told you. He's good. They certainly went from having maybe half a strike and it was all right to having three full strikes. And you've got Gibbs White. It's just fucking hell. Chris Wood's the guy, man.

32:35Lewis Bowden:Gibbs White is, if you could mold a player you want in a relegation battle, it's him. He's everywhere. Goals, runners. And the ability. He's just everywhere. Doesn't stop. Friend of the show as well.

32:47Reev:And then you drop him in. Is he playing himself into a big move in the summer? It's a new couple. It would have been Spurs. Playing himself into a World Cup team. I don't know, because if Forrest win the Europa League, they're in the Champions League, isn't they? How fucking funny is that? He should have really gone Spurs. Is he allowed to leave? Kept hold by Forrest. Yes, he is. And then relegating the team that wanted to sign him.

33:11Lewis Bowden:It's funny how football works, but Spurs are staying up. We heard it here first. Would you have Gibbs right at Arsenal? Yes. A million percent? He'd take a big steamy dump on Odegaard's head. and laugh at him and go, oi,

33:25Reev:go and fetch my water. He's actually quite an Arsenal-coded player as well. In terms of like how we play now, like the amount of work yesterday was football.

33:32Lewis Bowden:We'll see if they lose the final, then we'll know if he's won. Yeah, see if he's built, please. So if he loses, then you'll sign him. No, to be fair, a lot of the players do win trophies and they move to Arsenal. True. That is true. I've been loving that on Twitter. You see, it's like the last trophy they've ever won is like Teclan Rice. Hasn't that got like 40 million views? Everyone just quote tweets

33:48Reev:saying this guy's paid his rent again. Yeah, another couple grand per month. Who've Forrest got? Their fixtures. They've got Villa and the Open League, obviously, and they've got Chelsea, Newcastle, United and Bournemouth. I'm on United. Tell you what, they're not fucking easy guys. West Ham and Forrest both have tough hits. I can see one easy one in there.

34:11Lewis Bowden:I'll tell you what, this could be one of the best relegation battles of all time, other than the greatest game. I was going to say to you, it feels like, doesn't it feel nice to have an actual relegation battle and title and Europe it's like the most competitive league Newcastle have quite a big C on this with Forrest and West Ham back fixtures and Bronwyn too I don't care about spoiling for other people I wanted to spoil it for Arsenal mate you actually get dragged into relegation though every part of the league

34:40Reev:other than the title race yeah well we did you did have a say imagine we just went through and fucked everyone

34:45Lewis Bowden:actually your last five games have affected everything. Every single part of the league. The relegation, the title, and the Euro. But also, you've affected nothing because we've lost to everyone. Mate, go back on that table. It's so tight, mate. Fucking hell. How tight is that? Brighton down to Everton. We can still have Europe, man. I saw somewhere that if Villa finish fifth, win the Europa League, sixth place, we'll get Champions League. So Brighton in the Champions League as it stands. We're six points off Europe. Why are we laughing about it? Right, let's discuss it then. who as it stands top five's done innit yeah we agree what are they do you think Liverpool are going to sneak forth I think Liverpool they play each other though don't they Liverpool I think Liverpool will beat Villa Liverpool looking

35:29Reev:alright you know

35:29Lewis Bowden:they're kind of quietly just getting it but they've got the United next week that's huge when Salah's out now

35:35Reev:Liverpool United then Chelsea then Villa by the way

35:37Lewis Bowden:that Isak goal wasn't shit who said that I didn't actually see it when I said it was shit great touch mate by the way

35:42Reev:I didn't see Liverpool fixtures but go back on that one second sorry United Chelsea Villa Brentford they're tough are they? I feel like Chelsea worried

35:53Lewis Bowden:about the final United are on the beach Villa will be worried about semi or final Brentford go to Europe they're going to finish third do you reckon? no actually yeah I do actually you think they'll finish third? I think Liverpool will finish third

36:08Reev:I still think you heard it in first guys first day up Liverpool third you're not having a game in hand they're playing Brentford tonight it's not easy Brentford going for Europe they won 3-1 what do you mean Man Utd won 3-1 against Brentford yeah but they also lost some in previous no but they won tonight 3-1 oh I see sorry last night I like what we've done last night yeah ok let's let's predict 6th and 7th

36:33Lewis Bowden:I'll go first I am going to say in 6th will be

36:40Bournemouth can I see the Brighton fixtures will they've got 3 points next week

36:46Reev:Oh, shit. Oh. Yeah, Brighton Wolves leads United. Actually, it's quite a nice one in that.

36:53Lewis Bowden:Give me Bournemouth fixtures, please. Ben? Drop zone four, Ben? I think Brighton. They play Arsenal too, right? Or City, sorry. Yeah, they play City. Oh, okay. Go back, please. Can you give me Fulham? Good now. Fulham, please, Ben. Fulham? Not Brentford. Oh, my fucking God. Right. Go back on that fucking table now. Right. In sixth place will be Chelsea. Yeah. In seventh will be Fulham.

37:22Reev:Interesting. Reid? I still think Chelsea will get sixth, especially with the second, well, the senior scenario. Fucking hell, Chelsea. I'm going to go, I'm going to stick with my previous prediction and say Brentford get seventh. Lewis? Brighton sixth, Fulham seventh. Oh, yeah. Brighton sixth, Chelsea seventh. Oh! I just think you look at Brighton's fixes, I just think that's 12 points, mate. You reckon? They'll beat Newcastle easy, they'll beat Wolves, and then they'll beat Leeds, and then they'll beat United. Yeah, that is true. To be fair, Brighton's a good show. Brighton are good. And they've also got momentum.

37:58They play well.

37:59Reev:They are good. Hurts will give them the weekend off because they're doing so well. Yeah, literally. I know, think how motivated they'll be like, fucking hell, Europe. They're sailing. They're sailing into Europe. Actually, yeah, Brighton will definitely finish top seven. Look at their form as well. A few months ago, they were struggling and people were questioning. Yeah. whether Herzog could push them on and he just turned it around. So you're saying you need to have patience and give managers time to turn things around. Not when they're 14.

38:22Lewis Bowden:Yeah, he didn't spend 400 billion in the summer though, did he? On the street players.

38:26Reev:If Ryan do get you up, Herzog could be up there with manager of the season. Yeah. No. Yeah. He'd be up there. He'd be up there. He'd be up there. They can count his league and you. Whoever wins. Arsenal, Arteta will get it for Fittinich in second. If Arsenal win the league, it's Arteta. If City win the treble, it's Pettinich. No, but he's up, like we talk about Reggie Libri with the shout yeah he'd be in the conversation he's not going to win it he's just rub his head he's not going to win it

38:50Lewis Bowden:he's just rub his head and go he's great buddy I think Reggie Libri should be sacked what? they're looking pretty piss poor out the morning you actually watch them Sunderland you think Reggie Libri should be sacked if they want to move forward I guarantee I guarantee if they have Reggie Libri in charge next season they're going to be in a relegation battle they might be anyway but Sunderland the owner has says he's considering in bringing someone else in to get to the next level. I don't think that's crazy at all. He's done a great job. I agree. He's done great. I just, like, if you actually watch how they play, if you actually watch how they play, like, it's not going to be sustained next season, that at all.

39:26Lewis Bowden:Would you take them at Newcastle, Reggie? Yeah, but you said it wouldn't be sustained this season. Yeah, you did say that. And they're, like, mid-table. I didn't say they'd be relegated. I said you'd finish below Newcastle. I didn't say you would, but you said they were going

39:35Reev:to completely drop off. They are going to drop off. They have dropped off. Wait, you think you're going to finish him off Sunderland now. We're going to, mate, we're six points off Europe. Europe. Do you know what the

39:42Lewis Bowden:red should be? Can we just analyse the fact Sunderland are 12th? That's so, that's such a good job he's done. But do you know what you just said there? I mean, I think it's harsh, but do you remember Bournemouth did it? Yeah. Sacked Gary O 'Neill, got a realer in. Yeah. It does always sour the second season in the Prem where you figure it out a bit more and you haven't got that excitement of the bounce into the new season. It's like, it is different. I read if they don't get you up this season, then the owner is going to sack him and get someone else in like a better big man. Just that ambitious already.

40:11Lewis Bowden:Oh yeah, he's really out there. I genuinely think that's the right... You say at the start of

40:15Reev:the season they want to top off, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you were a Southern fan like, you'd probably have loyalty, but that would be the right choice for them. That would be the right choice to go because they're riding a high now where they could get a higher tier manager by being in this position. What are their fixtures? Yeah.

40:30Lewis Bowden:They're on the beach though, man. They were so bad. There's also a start where they've considered like twice the amount of goals in 2026 if they did in 2025.

40:36Reev:They play Wolves next away. Oh, well, there you go. Three boys. And then United at home. I think Sunderland got a really cool badge. I like their badge. It's pretty trendy, isn't it? Pretty cool, man. Only Burnley and Spurs have conceded more goals than Sunderland in 2026. nine goals in the last two games. Yeah. But before 2026, only Arsenal and City have conceded fewer. So maybe there is...

40:56Lewis Bowden:Teams do just drop off. Teams get found out as well.

40:59Reev:It's like... Anyway. They've been worse at home recently. That's the problem, isn't it?

41:04Lewis Bowden:But also they've not really had that. I know they are technically still in with the Europe, but they are kind of, it does feel like, Friday felt like they were on the beach to me, like a lot. Yeah, they've survived now.

41:16Reev:It was one team with desperation to get out of the situation and the others wasn't. I think before we finish our weekend review, we have to give a big honourable shout out to Rochdale 1. Yes. York City 1. What a game. We touched on it briefly, didn't we?

41:31Lewis Bowden:I thought you were going to say a shout out to James Morrison, done the job he's done. You know, we're the first club ever to avoid relegation twice in the same season.

41:40Reev:What do you mean? Twice?

41:41Lewis Bowden:We've been officially confirmed as staying up twice this season. Wait, what? Because we officially did it when we beat Watford, but then we got two points to do it. Oh, I see. Wait, is that legit?

41:54Reev:Yeah. That, hey. That's pretty beast mode. That was beast mode. Oh, GBGB! Moving forward, that's great for you next season. We're going up. The directions happen, didn't it? We're going up. On Rochdale, York City, you see the, you see the, I love fucking local radio commentary. I wish they could actually put it over like just Sky Sports and that. You see the local, the York radio commentary on it. It's so good. Just completely biased, proper passion. Like it's just unreal. It's so, I don't see why they couldn't just work with the BBC Sky and say like, I can't do that. But it's just, it's so much better.

42:28Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but you have the option to listen to it on the radio. Do you now,

42:31Reev:do you now think Rochdale after that kick in the team

42:34Lewis Bowden:would go up? No, yes, 100%. You think they still do it? Have you seen how much better they are? Yeah, no. Also, York, both these teams will fight for promotion next season. Oh, really? What, in League Two? Yeah, 100%.

42:46Reev:Yeah, good. What I would say

42:48Lewis Bowden:at the time is that like League Two and the National League, there's no restrictions in the National League. So a lot of the National League teams are better than the League Two teams. Well, Boulderm and Barnett both finished the top half. Yeah, like Wrexham did it. Yeah. Not's counter Chesterfield did it like it's those teams a lot of them players a lot of them players will be on more money than most of the league two players legitimately but this is also Legitness Legitness Raz Klatt This is also one of the reasons that people don't want the rules to change in terms of because people are saying oh it should be two going up automatic I think there's a movement called three up because obviously two go down from league two and two come up from and a lot of people argue because these two are so far ahead of everyone else they should be too automatic but the counter argument to that is then you don't get this and this has happened now with Notts County and Wrexham and these two Stockport Stockport and who was it?

43:45Lewis Bowden:Was it Chesterfield or? Chesterfield have done alright this season No but I mean there was a massive Bromley Bromley have just gone up

43:53Reev:they were down there Bromley I just think Crawley would go relegated as well

44:00Lewis Bowden:Yeah, a lot of the teams as well who've gone down from League 2 have struggled in the National League. The gap is nothing, really. What I would say, though, is obviously Rochdale are 106, but last season, you got 96 points, finished second, and ended up not going up. In fact, I think Oldham had 25 less points than them and went up. It can happen. I think Rochdale will do it, though. That is a kick of the team. Based on what I've seen from them this season. Yeah, we watched like that. All of them had 23 points less than them, beat them 3-0 in the end, and then one leg. That is why you love football, though, that game.

44:33Lewis Bowden:And they went up. Two pitching business. If you ever, yeah.

44:36Reev:Mate, they've scored 114 teams.

44:38Lewis Bowden:If you ever had to, like, say, if an alien come down and, like, you could give them, like, a few examples, that would be one, wouldn't it? Also, do you know what? That would only happen in our football, him and mid. But shout out to York City. Last minute equaliser to send yourself. Is that their first ever time in the English Football League? York? Is it? Don't think so. They've been in the National League for 10 years. They got relegated in like 20, 15. I don't remember York being in League Two. I remember watching York in League Two because I knew somebody who played for them. So they're all ground.

45:07So they had been there, but they've not been there for a while. Massive, massive, massive. Well done. Shout out to Oli Pierce. When you look at... What about the second goal?

45:17Lewis Bowden:What about the guy who scored 26 goals for Rochdale? Can I tell you right now, I think Matt Rush should get a prem move. No, what about the Rochdale player? What do you think of you? Who? De Saruwe. Go on, no, no. What's your name? Emmanuel. I like to call him Emmanuel. Manny. Manny. Manny. Manny on the map. Oh, and it's Rochdale. That's pretty cool. There you go. Lads, Carlisle on 95 points. Do you know who their manager is? Yes. Mark Hughes. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. Anyway, last game of the weekend to talk about is... Fulham. Oh, I live for 1-3-1. Fulham. I'll brief you on this.

45:54Lewis Bowden:It was such a bad... Yeah, I watched that. Villa terrible. Fulham, they're creeping. They're creeping. You think they're going to get it? Marcus Silva. They only had one win in six before that, so maybe they've just turned at the right time. Is there really?

46:07Reev:Yeah. Big result against Villa. I thought they won the other week. If he doesn't get Europe at Fulham, do you reckon he'll get snatched by another club? Yeah.

46:15Lewis Bowden:Do you reckon? Because this keeps happening. I feel like he just keeps doing a good job.

46:19Reev:With minimal resources.

46:20Lewis Bowden:And he's just like, yeah, leave him there. He's all right.

46:23Reev:I don't know. Yeah, but people are coming around to how good of a manager he is now. Surely.

46:27Lewis Bowden:But the thing is, what's the step up for him? You said Chelsea, didn't you? No, I would. But I mean... Not going to drive far. Chelsea aren't going to go and get Silva, I don't think. No, they're not. For some reason, he's not sexy enough. But where's his step up? He's already managed Everton. Maybe Sunderland.

46:42Reev:His step up might even be leaving the league. Maybe abroad. Maybe going abroad. Yeah. And also, one more thing. Hearts look like they're going to win the Scottish Premier League. Oh my God, do you see the limbs?

46:55Lewis Bowden:Limit they played Hibs didn't they the weekend they called a late winner it was the game that we thought we were going to you went to the better derby did we

47:04Reev:Liverpool won 3-1 as well

47:06Lewis Bowden:yeah they seemed it was pretty comfortable on it is that Isaac gonna finish us should we talk about Isaac goal Vert's goal Salah Salah can I just say he didn't dive no he didn't dive

47:17Reev:he didn't even ask for it yeah no he got straight back up didn't he did he get carded no no I've seen loads of people I've seen loads of people

47:24Lewis Bowden:saying oh what a diving bastard yeah he just got tackled fell got up

47:28Reev:running at speed getting tackled

47:29Lewis Bowden:he actually didn't dive and you know he's bad if I'm defending Salah

47:33Reev:yeah that's his more than likely his last game of Liverpool show there we go yeah mate this is the limbs for the heart's little goal strike it oh look at that oh god you're one of the in that way it's falling over so good I don't like how they're on the closet. Football's so fucking good. Anybody? Do you know what? We need to give some Scotland football more respect like. Nah, watch this video. Oh, she did Fletchern as well, so good. We need to give some Scotland football a good effort. The fact there's two reds for him there is quite good. Can we watch Tom Garrett reveals Cruz's story behind that link in between video?

48:16What the fuck? Intimate video. Jesus, they called it...

48:20Lewis Bowden:Fucking hell, that screenshot as well. You got the real screenshot. Can you get the league up quickly, the SPL league, because we're done with the Prem Review. Yeah, but now moving on to our popular segment, the SPL review. Right, so they're three points clear with... How many games should they play? Four games left. It's 11. Are you sure it's 38? They have 0-4 as well. They split into two. Do they play 38? Are you sure? Play 32, then the league six, between the top six, the bottom six, and then they'll play the last five or six games. It's like the Argentinian league. Oh no, they play 33. They play 33.

48:52Each team play three times and then split the league.

48:55Reev:The Brazilian league are just so weird. Have you ever looked at the Argentinian league and it works? No. Mental. Doesn't make sense. Cheers. We'll talk about that. You just cleaned it up. Look at that. Last game of the season. Celtic hearts.

49:09Lewis Bowden:That'll be unreal. Is that why they do it? I'll be that. Basically, pardon me, I've got a bad throat today. Basically, it goes, there's 11, you play 11 teams three times 33 games then it splits the top they always do it I think it's to try and make it a bit more of a battle towards the end yeah that's what I mean that makes sense doesn't it and it's to try and make it in even out of games as well without playing 44 yeah that's kind of horny but the Belgian league do something similar as well don't they but they have playoffs and stuff so you can finish fifth and win the league it's mad okay moving on we have got the champions

49:43Lewis Bowden:this week nervous lads yeah a little bit you are you were saying and you smashed them earlier this is an easy time

49:51Reev:I fancy us more in the Champions League than the Premier League really what the hell why just the way we play is a little bit more open and expansive I feel like you weren't against sporting no but every other game has been in the Champions League and we've put up big numbers against Atletico Inter Milan all these sides already so I'm hoping we can use the previous fixtures to our advantage but is that not just reflective of how our season's been going maybe but you have to stay positive it's not a good time you would have liked to be playing these but I'm more of a glass full than glass empty

50:17Lewis Bowden:so obviously the The real fixture of the week is PSG-Bayern. That's probably going to be one of the games of the season. Do you think... Firstly, do Arsenal make the final? Secondly, who wins this other tie? I think Bayern Munich win it. I think Bayern go through there. Do you? PSG. I think it's going to be a PSG-Arsenal final. Yeah, so do I.

50:36Reev:What, the semi-final of last year? Yeah.

50:38Lewis Bowden:I think it's going to be PSG-Arsenal final. And I think PSG beat, yeah. Back-to-back champs. Has that ever been done? Oh, shit. What might have happened?

50:49Reev:Not to blow my trumpet but I did

50:51Lewis Bowden:No wait has anyone just gone back to back and that's it Oh shut up That's a good question No no no Has anyone ever won the Champions League just back to back

50:59Reev:Didn't really do it They went two and then a gap year and then maybe No They've won it again Who cares What were you going to say Revo I was going to say when we did our you know when I got laughed out for saying Gabrielle at the start of the season I said it would be a PSG Arsenal final in that video

51:14Lewis Bowden:Well done buddy you still said a centre half was going to win play of the tournament Anyway How far back do you want to go? Because Forrest did it back to back, didn't they? What did you say? I said, it's Bayern's going to win everything. I'm not coming to... Who's the final going to be? I think it might be Bayern out of their call. And that's not even Arsenal here. It's just, I feel like you would have much been preferring going into this tie if you still had that Premier League buffer. I just feel like there's a lot on you at the moment. I could... And these are going into it like... I can see you shitting your pants in Madrid.

51:42There is so much pressure on you now and it's sort of a bit self-inflicted. If you had the buffer still in the Prem, I'd back you.

51:47Reev:well Julian Alvarez playing for a move to us mate yeah

51:50Lewis Bowden:should we do a draft of the best players in Europe

51:52Reev:the top five leagues

51:53Lewis Bowden:yeah a draft should we do who's going to go first shall we explain what a draft is yeah go on Lewis essentially I don't know what to explain right so we're going to do right so we're going to do a 4-3-3 of a draft the first say Theo goes first he gets to pick a player that player's then gone then it goes Lewis then it goes Reeve then I'll get two then it goes Reeve then it goes Lewis then Theo gets two and it goes back and forth in that sort of system. You'll understand the way we go and then at the end you lot can vote who's got the best team.

52:25Reev:I built my 11 and then I realised it was a draft and I was like no! We're going to get 11! Make sure you're paying attention because it's max three players from a league. So it's only from Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Liga and Serie A three players max. Shall we do,

52:38Lewis Bowden:shall me and you do rock, paper, scissors because it makes more sense if one of us goes first. Don't do it from the middle.

52:42Reev:Are you doing it on shoot or are we doing rock, paper, scissors? Perhaps you just shoot. Okay. Come on, Theo. Yes, Theo! Get in, son. I don't mind that because I get two then. Ooh. I don't know who my first pick is. The first pick in every one possible European draft. Let's see who he goes for. I'm going out there about it, Ericard. William Saliba. I'm just trying to think of players that I would like from the leagues. Yeah. There's no limit, is that? Three per league, yeah. Oh, God. I almost should go for a player in like I'm going to go Jamal Fuck off man Yeah I'm going to go Jamal and then No What the fuck are you doing

53:27Lewis Bowden:You're a little cheat Sorry

53:28Reev:Fucking little cheat Sorry Sorry Sorry Oh Jamal's going to be my first pick I'm going to go and take then I'm going to take Pedro Interesting

53:40Lewis Bowden:La Liga's gone

53:41Reev:Harry Kane

53:41Lewis Bowden:Give me Mbappe so Mbappe, Kane, Pedri, Yamala the first pick are they the best four players in the world or not? they're up there probably yeah and I'll also take Dembele what position? on the right okay you're next and where's Mbappe? striker striker or on the left I don't know yeah I'll decide it's not this again

54:06Reev:Vettinia please good pick Harlan Silvil-Bellini yeah Harlan please got the striker sorted alright I'm going to go for Bruno Fernandes. Oh, okay. And then I'm also going to go for... It's wild nevers. I'm going to go Elisa. Nice. Pretty good, Lewis. Yeah, I'm doing good here. I'm getting down the... The what? The positions that don't have that many top players. So, yeah, what are your thought processes behind this?

54:32Lewis Bowden:No, no, no. I don't want to give it away. Yeah. Don't give anything away. It's you. Valverde. Nice pick. Yeah, I thought you'd go under the radar for longer than you. I'll play him anywhere.

54:40Reev:Yeah, that was my pick for it. I'll slide him in whenever I'm in trouble. I see what I'm missing at the end and then just stick him wherever he wants. Fuck, fuck.

54:48Lewis Bowden:Right, I'm going to go... Keeping track of your leagues as well, boys. Yeah. I'm going to take Rhys James. Fuck! I'm going to take Rhys James and I'm going to take Declan Rice. No. Rhys James is your third pick. Yep. You do love him, don't you? I think he's unbelievable. He did Rhys James. Good pick. Have you noticed how their form has completely tailed off since he's been injured? Just saying. I'll go Kvadratzkelia please

55:12Reev:great pronunciation there thank you I'm going to go Hakimi oh yeah nice you can limit that position yeah that one is really fucking short I'm going to go Luis Diaz I don't get what's so funny about that you've got Mbappe you've got Haaland and you've got Kane

55:33Reev:surely that was a priority he had first pick as well Oli Watkins because the gap between you had to knock one of those down like shit to be fair I can leave that to last I got three players I can go for I mean there's a few big strikers still out there mate oh wait did I say Luis Diaz yeah I didn't mean to say that you've said it no he's taken no I didn't mean to do that no does it matter you've taken him he's already he's holding up the field no of course not fuck let me change let me change please Get fucked Oh that's not what I was meant to say Come on next one Right then In that case I'm then going to take I'll take De Jong Oh you fucker that was more next one I'm going to go Nuno Mendes I'm fucking killing it right now I'm so sorted Now I can just pick the scraps of all the easy positions I will go with Murciala In the 10 yeah interesting give me

56:40Lewis Bowden:Caicedo you're still gone

56:41Reev:so that's

56:41Lewis Bowden:that's my Premier League done yeah give me Caicedo and in the 10 do I do it do I fucking do it do it mate Jude go on I fucked this by the way

56:52Reev:no you think you fucked it Tom I don't have a striker yeah you just can have all you want wait I shouldn't have gone

56:57Lewis Bowden:with Caicedo there wait so who I've had Mbappe I should have asked him here I think you've got Mbappe Dembele Rhys James Racing Caicedo okay so you should write them down as you know I've done it a weird way I'll take Rafinha Shit

57:13Reev:That's what I wanted But I said Luis Diaz Luis Diaz on fire Luis Diaz on fire Yeah I'll take Gabriel First Prem player Yeah Vinny Jr. still available? He is indeed I'll have him Okay I wanted fucking Rafinha though I'm gonna please take My team is so fucking good You said Gabriel Yeah I'll take Saliba and Van Dijk, please. Did you have room for that? Yep. Yeah, he had two. He's done for Premier League now. Yep. That's bullshit, mate. I might be making a strong little line-up here, you know. All right, I'm going to go. I'm going to take Rudiger. I like that, Lewis. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. You like that?

57:53Do you like that? I think I like it. You. Yeah. I think I'm going good over here. I'm done for La Liga, personally. No more picks from that. Desiree Duet. He's not really played too much this season, have you? That is it for Liga. because you've got Vettinia Kauskiliat no Saka Root I'll go Bastoni it's your first semi-apic out of all four

58:14Lewis Bowden:yeah and yeah I'll have Courtois did you take Bastoni yeah

58:19Reev:Nico O 'Reilly oh I like that in midfield or left back depends where Valverde goes in midfield Sabozlai right back I would like to take DeMarco please played left middle season yeah Right back, I'll take Trent. So that's La Liga done for you, mate. Yep. I'm really happy with my size. I'm going to take Bruno G. I'll go Joshua Kimmich then. Yeah, I was going to take Bruno G over. No, Bruno G's still great pick. Isn't this what it feels? That's your buddy. You've got Kane, Moussiala and Kimmich. Nah, don't you worry about it.

58:52Lewis Bowden:I've just got two left to pick and then I'm done, ain't I? Yeah. So I'll go Yielders in the 10 and then I'll go with... And we've got three more. Yeah. So you've only got twice here. Wait, who are we missing then? What position? So you've got Mbappe, Dembele, Rhys James, Rice, Raffinia, Kaysero, Raffinia, Bastoni and Courtois. Oh, sorry then.

59:13Reev:Wait, you've got no more La Liga left?

59:15Lewis Bowden:Nope. No. Okay, then I'll go... It doesn't matter, but I'll go... Yeah, I'll stick with Yielders and then I'll go with Grimaldo at left back.

59:28Reev:My defence is rubbish, Lloyd. David Raya. I think I've got room for that, Will, right? Have a look. You've gone Gabriele O 'Reilly Raya. Yeah, right. I'm going to finish off my defence with Militao. I've got the partnership with Rudiger. You've already got three La Liga players. I was going to say. You've got Rudiger. Oh, shit. Vinny Jr. and Pedri. Pacho, please. Pacho Herrera. All right, guys. My last two players. So I've got... I can't go La Liga. Have I got Prem? No, I can't go Prem or La Liga for my goalies. I'm going to go Neuer in goal, please. What have I got left, Will? Sorry, so I've got...

1:00:07So the only league you've used three times is La Liga. You still need to get a striker. So I can go Prem striker? You can go Prem striker. Oh, no, you've used Prem three times. You've got Bruno, Saliba, Van Dijk and Bruno.

1:00:18Reev:Yeah, so I can go... I can't go La Liga striker. Oh, shit. Oh, wait, yeah, I can. You can't. Yeah, I've got Yamao and De Jong, that's it. And Trent. Huh. I'll put Trent on a Serie A. Where was any ideas? Why have you put Trent on a Serie A? Shit. Man, who are you going to use? Oh, no. Oh, you're going to have to draw ball knowledge, yeah. Oh, wait, so... I was planning on putting Alvarez in. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay, and I can't go... I can't believe you haven't gone... Shush. Well, you can't have him now because it's La Liga. Yeah, I can't go La Liga, can I? So I'll go Lautaro Martinez then. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

1:00:57Reev:Right, I'm finishing off my team with the goalkeeper, Mainan.

1:01:00Lewis Bowden:Oh, congrats.

1:01:01Reev:Thank you. My final pick is Kibarsi.

1:01:04Lewis Bowden:I'm going to go for a rogue one because my defence is... Well, actually, I'm going to go Schlotterbach, centre-half.

1:01:11Reev:Nico.

1:01:12Lewis Bowden:He's been good for Dortmund.

1:01:14Reev:Your team stings I'm quite happy Over like Jonathan Tarkin And J. Conor

1:01:19Lewis Bowden:Yeah I was going to Go for Makano But I just don't like him When I watch him I always feel like He's like Reminds me of De Litt And I nearly went Marquinhos Because he was really good He was good He's just consistently good He doesn't really Start for them though

1:01:33Reev:What's happened to Sabanian Is he starting He's injured They hate him

1:01:36Lewis Bowden:Really Apparently he's been Really slagged off This season But Howson Real Madrid He can't get a Liga He can't I only had Serie A and Bundesliga left. I think he's had a tricky first season as well. I use... Is everyone done? Yeah. I use... Or Liga, I'm sorry. Comfortable to look for, read for his teams. Yeah, I'm actually really

1:01:53Reev:happy with my team. Let's go with yours.

1:01:55Lewis Bowden:I've got Courtois, Rhys James, Schlotterbach, Bastoni, Grimaldo, Caicedo, Rice, Yildiz, Dembele, Mbappe, Rafinha. That stinks.

1:02:07Reev:ULA, it's a bit top heavy there. I think that's a pretty good team. It's all right, yeah. Do you want to hear mine? I've got Ryer in goal right back Valverde oh you ass it oh fuck on Kavarsi Gabriel Nico O 'Reilly midfield three of Kimmich Vittini and Musiala front three of Desiree Duet Harry Kane and Kvarak Scalia great pronunciation again and that is fucking good nah mine's better mate that's better than mine I've got Mainan then Hakimi Paco and Rudiger with Nuno Mendes Shabozlai Pedri and Bruno G Alusea Harland and Vinnie Jr that respect to Bruno G is crazy mo by the way you took him over Gavi at that point you had a La Liga spot I don't think I did you did three of you are back four I didn't have a lot I actually didn't so if three of you are back four all three Liga players are defenders I do yeah Nuno Mendo's just fucking class as well he's just clear I think that's very strong what about you though?

1:03:04Reev:Ingo Ingo Neuer back four of Trent Van Dijk Saliba and DeMarco left back mid carry on you're slagging off everyone's team he doesn't play left back DeMarco plays left wing back he plays left mid he plays left wing back

1:03:20Lewis Bowden:he doesn't he's left wing back on the team he is left wing back he doesn't he plays left mid but go on

1:03:24Reev:he's left wing back they play 3-4-3 and he plays left mid yeah which is left wing back he does the entire the entire left side are you playing that system here I'm playing that system on the left hand side yeah you get fouled out a bit midfield three Juanevez Dionne and Bruno Fernandes and up front it's Luis Diaz Latourio Martinez and Jamal Stinker Why is that stinker? It's just worse than all our teams Luis Diaz You're playing a left wing back but then you haven't got the three centre backs to cover so you're just going to get fouled out You've got Martinez who's absolutely shit He's ripped yours apart tactically mate It's all about making a team My team is going to absolutely expose you Yeah we've like 10 goals Luis Diaz is one of the most informed players in Europe All three of my players on front three are better than your I think I've got the two top goal scorers in Serie A.

1:04:12Sorry, I don't know why. That isn't a flex. It's flexing. By the way, you have the top scorers from like the better league. Yeah. The top scorer in Serie A, like nine goals. I have a top scorer in the prems.

1:04:22Reev:Top goal scorer, 16, and top assist, DeMarco, 17.

1:04:25Lewis Bowden:Oh. Scary. I think if I was to rank them, I'd go Theo's last, then you, then Reeves. My team is obviously better than me. Mine's better than yours. I think his is the best. Reeves is the best team.

1:04:37Reev:Raya Valverde, Kubasi, Gabriele O 'Reilly. Yeah. Kimmich, Matinia, Musiala. Yeah, Reeves is definitely the best. Reeves is definitely the best. That's actually balanced as well. Luke, yours is by far the worst. That's so much better than yours. Have you got midfielders? Yeah, yours might have me a little bit. My midfield's good. You've got Bruno G in the field. You didn't even plan ahead. You just picked three PSG players in the background. Why are you acting like Bruno G's not a great player? Because you selected him over Gabby. I didn't have a position for that. I had Vinnie Jr. I think Bruno G's ahead of Gabby.

1:05:04It's a really... By the way, it's like... This is just... You're exposing yourself for not knowing anything about football there, I feel better. He's actually a fantastic midfielder. It's the first time.

1:05:12Reev:Who's the Serie A centre-back you were thinking of? I can't remember. Who's the one we were linked with? Malik Chow? Well, Bastoni's not. I can't remember.

1:05:19Lewis Bowden:I don't think Bruno G's a crazy pick. This is the thing. It's really not. But he sees Bruno G, Newcastle, really bad. That's like how your ball knowledge is operating. When he's in Madrid next season, you'll realize that. Gavi's not even been playing this season. He has. After his injury. He's barely played this season. He's been injured.

1:05:38Reev:When he came back from injury, he looked fucking phenomenal. Some players who missed out? How many did you play there? He quickly went off in there. Have a look. Have a look. He always goes on football, but if he doesn't back his argument, he just closes. Gabby's played seven games in the league. But what I will say... Well done, buddy. Because he had a bad injury. I told you, and when he came back, which he has, he's been phenomenal. Has he? Has he? He has been really good. Once he's done that's been phenomenal. Beat Atletico Madrid. Him personally, he won. He was good against Atletico, let's be honest.

1:06:13Who did you have on your list that you didn't actually choose? That you wondered that you missed out on? I think Hanna Ruma.

1:06:19Lewis Bowden:All my others. Wang Garcia. I killed myself with... I went three Premier... I got rid of the Premier Leagues. I needed centre-halves. My centre-halves have killed me really. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the team. I should have gone striker first, I think.

1:06:30Reev:I'm amazed that you weren't going for Levendusky. Number nine should have been the first position. Because you were never going to get... Because you had... I didn't realise, yeah. Theo needed a striker, had a La Liga space left. Could have went Lavanduski and went for Trent. Lauturi Martinez is a good striker. To be fair, if you have a Prem place and you rate him, I don't rate him, but you could have said either. And Trent is one of the best right-backs in the world. He didn't have any Prem left. I thought you were going to go Mbappe off the rip, to be honest. He did a Prem left when he came back around.

1:06:56Reev:I would have gone Kane because La Liga has better players than the Bundesliga. That's what I went with. You can leave La Liga till the end. You have to let us know whose team do you prefer in the comments below. Right now, guys, as we know John Stones is expected to leave Manchester City this June completing a 10 year spell at the club where do you think he goes Newcastle Everton Barnsley back to Barnsley Barnsley I think he screams of Crystal Palace mate I could see him getting Tannen into Miami they didn't replace him did they no he's not that done I think he'll go Palace mate did they replace Geahy in the end so there were reports that saying he's eager to continue competing at the highest level and apparently Juventus

1:07:35Lewis Bowden:are in for him. I'll be amazed if at this age he leaves his family and that.

1:07:40Reev:Aren't you trying to sound like Lewandowski and a couple other big boys this season? I think it makes so much sense.

1:07:45Lewis Bowden:He doesn't have to move house. Kids don't have to change school. It goes back to where... You got an inside school, didn't you? No, I actually haven't. You've been talking to him.

1:07:54Reev:Is this regardless of whether or not they're finishing your... Next club meetings.

1:07:58Lewis Bowden:Well, maybe. I don't know. This is just my opinion. I'd be amazed at that age if... It's gospel. he would leave so Everton are the front runners but AC Milan are interesting apparently Bayern Munich are monitoring it but the thing is he's not going to be a starter is he at Munich probably if he stays fit but he doesn't does he but is there a change of the Premier League pitch

1:08:20Reev:you know Bayern Munich yeah he could get Bayern Munich and become jacked it does not make you feel old the fact like compound V I feel like John Stones makes does he not make you feel old I remember when he was like the young lad going through Everton and now I'm seeing him towards the back end of his career Same as me. It's like, it feels really like, I've never really, yeah, it's weird. He's not that old though. I know, but it's like, I remember when he was the new kid on the block and then he got the big move and then. It is really weird like when we think about three of his power in Roma 30 by the way.

1:08:48Reev:You know what we think about footballers being like well old, like 33. He's 31? Yeah, I know, but that's like old. That's fucking, that's in shit in real life terms. Am I right, guys? I suppose the problem is he's never played 30 Premier League games in a season for City and he's only played 20 or more once in the last five that does affect his isn't it incredible how amazing we thought his trouble I don't realise that it was no I'm saying like objectively it was he had his Champions League that's well I remember yeah of course they were a bigger performance he was playing in the 8 there but like 23 Prem games and he was that good who had more Premier League appearances Ledley King or John Stones King Ledley King gotta be but that leads us on to doing our top 10 centre-backs in Premier League history

1:09:30Lewis Bowden:I was gonna I had a good segue go on then do it do you think do you think the amount of games he's played affects his standing in an all time list well I think it does with King as well Ledley King played a lot of games no I know I know but Ledley King played a lot of games how many games I think it's definitely a consideration John Stones his best was one of the best centre-halves in the world and best CDM in the world I'm not gonna lie I didn't realise it was that bad John Stones has played 279 Premier League games Ledley King 268 268 yeah so less games fuck yeah well there's only one way for us to find the outlaw Tom but yeah but look

1:10:10Reev:but Lennie King has had

1:10:11Lewis Bowden:full seasons yeah look at the seasons like 38 games Stones has just played more seasons more consistent also that was that would have included Barnes in that wouldn't it that you just got off that weren't Prem

1:10:21Reev:that weren't Prem Lennie King 268 oh it's just all time appearances I'll have a look at it so take 24 away from that yeah John Stones is 250 so he takes 18 more no but John Stone's career still has time yeah he's still got still got time still got next season he's still like he's still like a young little baby he might add another hundred he's a little baby but he's going to Munich let's get Everton baby can I go first okay boys I've used a mixture of ball knowledge and like just who

1:10:48Lewis Bowden:I've seen in my lifetime I will add to that I've done it post like 2000 just because I feel bad putting in like Tony Adams but the thing is no but then also that's just my you lot are free to do that I just personally

1:11:02Reev:to be fair you didn't include him in the no I just I never

1:11:06Lewis Bowden:I've obviously seen obviously I've seen old things of him but I just that's what I mean I can't really comment on why these players are on my list but with the in the case of did win the league in 0-1-0-2 this is the thing so in 10th I have paid my respects to Brian Adams he is 10th no let him let him cook what? let him cook keep going keep going why are you being weird? yeah 9th wait who's 10 sorry what yeah Brian Adams yeah Lem Cook is this a bit it's just a little joke because he's a singer it's Tony Adams yeah yeah yeah sorry

1:11:39Reev:he actually completed the London Marathon sorry Tony Adams Brian Adams no Tony Adams did with the guitar yeah for charity as well Ledley King in 9th for me not it's all corrected it to Leslie in my no no you just run it for fun don't you sometimes really yeah the majority of the people were just running it because they got in the ballot what I thought you could only do

1:11:58Lewis Bowden:it if it was for charity No, you only get charity based in run charity. And then obviously the pros as well. Yeah, the pros I get.

1:12:02Reev:No, you could run it for... Bullshit. I bet you about 30 plus thousand were just running it for fun.

1:12:07Lewis Bowden:What? Yeah, do it for laugh. That's bullshit. That shouldn't be allowed. What, run a marathon for fun? No, you should have to be for charity. Fuck you. On that. Why are they... Like... Oh, no, I'll get hit. I'm on the... You're about to run a marathon.

1:12:20Reev:You're uncancelling. No, I don't get on it. I was thinking if I'm used to because usually you'll get up to about it. But like, why the fuck are we... people clapping them on the lift side. What's that? On the lift? Have you seen people like, I've seen videos of people on escalators. Just being nice to someone who's ran a marathon. I told you they'd get uppity. I'm just asking questions because it's like... To be fair, I did see a lot of people yesterday

1:12:38Lewis Bowden:when like at the pub or by the tube and people saw them with the medals. They'd go, oh, well done. I'm just asking what it is. It is quite a wholesome. I'm not criticising. I'm just asking like... Sounds like you are criticising. I told you they'd get uppity. I told you they'd get sore. It's just a very like, it's quite a wholesome day, I suppose. But does that extend to like other events in London or is it only the London Marathon? I don't know. It's usually just London Marathon for that kind of level. Yeah, Guy Fawkes Day. People like... People got like a gunpowder strapped to him. They all clap him.

1:13:09Anyway, lads, back to the top 10. Subscribe to Backside for more of that. Eighth, I've got Ricardo Calvalho. You're holding the mic for... You've got something dodgy coming. No, in seventh, I've got Rio Fernand because I don't like him. What? Mate, what? Don't like him.

1:13:25Reev:Oh, my word. It's seven. I like him. I like him. But this isn't a list on who do you like. You've got to take

1:13:30Lewis Bowden:your personal feelings out of it, right? This isn't a list on who do you like and who does best set back in Premier League history. If we had a list about like fucking something that included Livermore. Yeah, but he's shit at football. It's different. If there was a niche list where Livermore was a perfect fit to go first, you wouldn't have him in. Name the list. It's hard to. People call Jake in Premier League history. He spent six years at Albion and didn't pass to the Bloomberg shirt. Right, if you have to do a list of players who have JL as their Jesse Lingard yeah initials top 10 yeah JLinderberg Liv Morby in there Jason Lowe Jason Love Jason Derulo Jimmy Lillard yeah I'm interested to see who's above you you've got 6th I've got vintage that's my hope of getting Rio on the show he's a knock he sold his soul to Mike Ashley and then lied on telly for fucking years he's a knock oh cry 5th I've got Sol Campbell ahead of Rio Ferdinand.

1:14:25I can't believe you got Rio Senna.

1:14:27Reev:I've just told you, I completely don't like him, so he's in seventh. I don't understand how you think Saul Campbell's better than Ferdinand. Yeah, I don't understand. I've just said it because I really don't like Ferdinand. It's not about who you like or you don't like in the list. It's about who's the best. It's my list, I'll do what I want. He's in seventh. Oh, you've changed recently. I think he's a knob. So much. I've got Saul Campbell fourth. I've got Mr. John Stones to answer Tom's question. What? You think he's fourth? above Rio Ferdinand and Carl Baleo. I think, I fucking love John Stones.

1:14:58Now, admittedly, I didn't, looking at his appearances, I didn't realise it was that bad looking back. But like, he literally reinvented that position, man. When he was at his absolute best, he was phenomenal. Stones is amazing. It takes a very special player to reinvent a role. There's only very few players in the history of football who go out and reinvent the position that they're in.

1:15:17Reev:That's the way that the modern game's developed. A lot of the centre-backs that you would list probably would be able to do that kind of role. Did Mascherana do a Barcelona? I don't think Ferdinand could play the same way that John Stones did. John Stones, he had him in his top 10 centre mids. Yeah, but is he a better defender than Ria Ferdinand? Yeah, no, but like, you're specifying that. As a player, I take John Stones all day. Over Ria Ferdinand? Yes, all day. What are you on about? It's just my opinion, mate. I don't even think John Stones would agree with that. Well, he's a humble guy and that's why he's in the team.

1:15:45Not that I agree with Lewis, but a lot of City fans, a lot of football fans, particularly look at how he used that defence midfield role when he won the Champions League and in the finals.

1:15:53Lewis Bowden:Stones but not many centre-halves can do that can they but also you can't ignore the inconsistency in terms of being fit you just can't and Rio Ferdinand's consistency at the top world record transfer twice as well for a defender Ferdinand was arguably the best centre-halve in the world for 10 years like third I have got company second Van Dijk and first John Terry where's Vidic he said it sixth sixth yeah I mean that's that's a mess I don't know what you've just done there That's the beauty of your football guy Everyone has opinions No, no, I just don't understand them Where's Malik Chow? He's 11th Right, in 10th I have got Jamie Carragher Yeah, I like that

1:16:36Reev:Jamie Carragher Where does he rank in all-time appearance? Is he like top five? He's got to be up there He's Liverpool's number one, isn't he? He's got to be up there He's got to be top five, isn't he? 600 Liverpool And also, people really do He was good, man He was very And also just The consistency to play at the highest level Is I don't think people

1:16:51Lewis Bowden:And for someone of his

1:16:53Reev:Lack of ability? Not Fucking hell No Limited ability Guys he did Elbow me in the neck For someone Of his stature

1:17:03Lewis Bowden:And athleticism To stay at the top For so long I think it's impressive He's only 6 '1 Which is For a centre half Pretty small I'd say Is it? He's a complete rarity

1:17:14Reev:He was quite tidy Actually with his left foot He was quite a good Tidy He was a tidy player I think 9th on the all time Premier League appearances

1:17:23Lewis Bowden:Ninth, I've gone Ledley King. Eighth, John Stones. Seventh, Sol Campbell. Sixth, Vidic. Fifth, Company. Fourth, Carvalho. I can't believe how low he's got. I think Carvalho was... You can't believe how low he's gotten. Actually, I can, yeah.

1:17:43Lewis Bowden:That doesn't make sense. It does. I think because of how good Terry was, Carvalho just gets forgotten. He was fucking incredible. He was incredible. He was so good. Went to Real Madrid. When the Champions... Their best centre-half at Porto was in the Champions... I just think he was so fucking good. He was like the Rolls-Royce of that Chelsea defence. Third, Rio. Second, Terry. First, Van Dijk.

1:18:05Reev:First, first. He's just...

1:18:07Lewis Bowden:I don't even think... What do you mean after Terry's 15-gold season? I don't even think it's close. I've said this... Really? Yeah, I think Van Dijk is the best player I've ever seen with my eyes play centre-half in the Premier League. It's not even close. What makes him stand out? He doesn't have a weakness. Players literally fear him Did John Terry? Yes He was rash Didn't have pace I don't think that's

1:18:28Reev:Necessarily fair It wasn't slow slow John Terry was not fast But John Terry could compete In this day and age That would make him better I'm not denying that Tom, does that not make him better The fact he doesn't have the pace To rely on No, it's just Positionally he has to Work harder than maybe A Van Dijk Yeah Do you see what I'm saying?

1:18:43Lewis Bowden:Yeah, his positioning was great And I think But John Terry was a very Was a lot more last ditch Than Van Dijk And if you're last ditch You've already made a mistake, in my opinion. Oh, a little Maldin. Van Dijk makes the game look easy, which his position in this modern day isn't easy. He defends on the halfway line. John Terry would get torn to shreds on the halfway line. He just would.

1:19:04Reev:That's because the game's changed.

1:19:06Lewis Bowden:Yeah, no, it's harder. It's harder to be a centre-half in the modern day. You've got to be a ball. You've got to be as good as a midfielder was back 20 years ago. And you've got to be as fast and as strong. and it's good in here.

1:19:18Reev:That's what Carragher was saying in the 20v1, wasn't it? It's like, it's... So do you think John Stones is... I don't think it's the hardest position. Exactly what Tom is saying now. Does that mean that It's not exactly the same. Does that mean that you think John Stones is so far off defensively so he's still beneath some of these players? No, my thing with John Stones

1:19:33Lewis Bowden:is the consistency. I think John Stones... If you were to do it off his actual peak powers... I'd probably have him in the top four or five, yeah. John Stones is amazing, but he's also... He was liable to a mistake.

1:19:45Reev:My argument here is do you not think players that were that good back then could be taught, with the amount of football IQ they have, could be taught to be this good in this day and age? No, because he doesn't have the athleticism. Rio could. Tom, where do you put the vision list? Sixth. Yeah, I do feel like the profile when you'd pick a centre-back back in the day, it wasn't really like the profile of a Stones. It's like a Stones would be... But then the counter argument is they were coming up against, across the board in my opinion, way better number nines. That is true. That is actually very true.

1:20:15Reev:That is very true.

1:20:17Lewis Bowden:I also don't necessarily agree with that because now, back then, they were actually one-on-one with their nine. It's hitting me again. Sorry. Now, it's like defenders have to defend space while they've got nippy fuckers going here, there and everywhere, dropping in the hole. I actually think it's harder to defend now on the halfway line. But what I'm trying to say is...

1:20:42Reev:Yeah. What I'm trying to say is Is the player profile of centre-backs now not just relative to how the game is played? So when they grow up, they'd only learn the game as how football is as a standard.

1:20:55Lewis Bowden:Yeah, of course. And this is why it's hard to compare generations. It's harsh for me to say, I think John Terry would struggle in this era. He probably wouldn't, but I think he'd get caught out a lot more because of his lack of pace, playing a high line, like a lot of the top teams do.

1:21:09Reev:But we're acting like Terry wasn't coming up against some of the fastest players in the world.

1:21:12Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but they weren't defending on their half A line, Theo. This is what I'm trying to get at. It's a completely different style of defending, which is why it is hard to compare. But he can only play what's in front of him. Of course, of course. This isn't a slant on John Terry. No, I know. I'm just having the... For every attribute John Terry has or had, Van Dijk has it. Yeah, no, I fully agree. And he has more.

1:21:32Reev:I agree with you on that. That's my opinion. But I think we're sort of talking about as if, like, Terry wasn't playing in, like, 2012. By the way, I've got John... I know, I know. I've got John Terry second. Yeah, no, that's fair. No, I... It's like he was coming up against Messi, Henry, all these players. I think top three could be... At Barcelona, Bayern Munich. So he was playing in a similar era. It's a completely different style of football. I think top three is just... Robin Rivery. Other than his, maybe, total personal preference. What the hell? To be fair. There is three. I think top three are the unanimous.

1:21:59Reev:Yeah, I agree. We all should have the top three. Yes. My top three is good. All right, Theo, let's see yours. In team... In? In team, I've got Jamie Carragher. In nine, I've got John Stones. in eight Carvalho, seven Sol Campbell, six Tony Adams, five Vincent Kompany, four Vidic. I'm surprised you had him so low. I know you're a big hater of it. I'm not a hater. I think Kompany's better than Vidic. Vidic as a centre-half on player of the season twice. Yeah, he's the only defender to win Premier League

1:22:30Lewis Bowden:in the season twice. Ryan Giggs also won it and started 12 games in the season. I don't know if it's just me, I don't really actually care about if they get that award because that's someone else's opinion, isn't it? So it's like you're judging your opinion off someone else's opinion. So is the Ballon d 'Or. Yeah, no, exactly. I wouldn't base my opinion on a player off if they won the Ballon d 'Or because that's what someone else is.

1:22:48Reev:No, I'm just adding to the fact I think Vidic gets almost underrated by people now. I don't think he's underrated. I think he's just not better than company. I think a company's the same kind of fender but better in every way.

1:22:58Lewis Bowden:I've seen Vidic get torn apart too many times. That was the thing about Torres, wasn't it? No, by the way, Torres thing is actually a bit of a myth. He only got torn apart once by Torres. I've seen Roman Bednar twist him up. I've seen Carlton Cole. I've seen Van Dijk get torn up. You haven't though, have you? There's one odd clip. Half a season after his injury. But this is another thing. Like, in the modern day, if Van Dijk makes one mistake, it's got a million views on Twitter. People overrate these players from 20 years ago because there's not the spotlight on them that there was. That's true.

1:23:28Lewis Bowden:That is very true. We see every mistake of Van Dijk and it's, oh my God, look at Van Dijk. Terry was... Wasn't there one earlier this season,

1:23:35Reev:against Everton, I'm sorry. Even Bournemouth. he'd like to control it wrong and everyone's like oh my god and Bournemouth and by the way Van Dijk has had a poor season

1:23:44Lewis Bowden:this year I'm not I'm not rating them I'm not rating Rio on his QPR season if you want to get the clips up of that pop me we'll have a field day but we've got to rate them at the peak of their powers and I know you're on about like not rating players on other people's opinions Van Dijk right had a legitimate chance and people were saying he could have or nearly won a Ballon d 'Or over Messi in his pomp like that is That's unheard of really. He was that good. He comes second quite close to Messi in a fucking ball of ball.

1:24:17Reev:That's surely just testament to how different the role is for a centre-back now. Whereas before, as a centre-back, you weren't really hailed for just doing your job properly. Now because centre-backs get to do everything extra in the game. Van Dijk can control a game from centre-back at some points. Centre-backs didn't do that back in the day when they were competing. Tony Adams did. But my argument is centre-backs, because he's right, centre-backs have to do way more in today's day and age, but that's why they are in these conversations of how important they are in the team. I think you just have to look at each player individually in the era that they're playing.

1:24:49Lewis Bowden:I was going to say, I'm not even basing it on that. I'm just like, in this generation... It's like otherwise we fall into the argument of the Bobby Moore thing again.

1:24:56Reev:No, but it's true. It is true, though. No, yeah. I understand it, but that's the reason why Van Dijk was in the conversations of the Ballon d 'Or because he's doing way more than his job. Just seven points behind Messi. Yeah. So close to winning it.

1:25:13Lewis Bowden:Here's my question, right? And I think this is testament to Van Dijk. Do you think Van Dijk would be arguably the best defender in the league 20 years ago? Yeah. Like undoubtedly right. He could see the way they play, right?

1:25:26Reev:Yeah, yeah, 100%.

1:25:27Lewis Bowden:The way football is now, do you think every player on this list could do what Van Dijk does in that Liverpool team at his pomp? I think John Terry could. No, all these players. Not all. Not three of them. No, it'd be different. I think Ferdinand definitely could. He has the pace to do it. I think John Terry would... I'm on about... No, I'm saying to the level of... I'm saying... I think Ferdinand could. I'm saying Virgil van Dijk could do what John Terry did in that Chelsea team to the level John Terry did. I believe that, right? I think those three... I don't think John Terry could do what van Dijk has done in this Liverpool team to the level van Dijk has.

1:26:00Lewis Bowden:What do you think of that? I think he could. Yeah?

1:26:03Reev:Yeah, I actually do.

1:26:04Lewis Bowden:I actually think those three... I think John Terry would get found out massively playing in a high line with Liverpool. I'm not even on the ball, by the way, because John Terry on the ball is very underrated.

1:26:15Reev:I just look back at when they were playing in these Champions League finals against Bayern Munich or Barcelona in the Champions League. He didn't play in the final against Bayern Munich. Or the run-in in the Champions League.

1:26:26Lewis Bowden:And Chelsea defended quite... You're missing the point about high Liverpool defence. and half the time with Robertson and Trent he's defending on his own a lot in fairness you're comparing Chelsea would play a bank of four the problem is that's kind of like an unfair argument because you're comparing how John Terry would play in a specific tactical set up that's what I'm asking that's the conversation no let me finish but that's not how you compare who the better player is because if you had Terry in your team you might play a different set up in a team I'm not denying that I'm not denying that that doesn't judge which players that's all three's opinion it's a hypothetical no one knows do you think Terry could play that role that Van Dijk plays I personally think he struggled

1:27:07Reev:do you think so obviously other than the last two weeks Arsenal had the best defence this league do you think if you replaced a Saliba with a Terry they'd be just as good or better yeah

1:27:16Lewis Bowden:I think they'd be

1:27:17Reev:I think he'd be fine

1:27:19Lewis Bowden:in that Arsenal set up yeah I'm talking about Liverpool at their pomp where like they're on the halfway line defending that's so difficult to do and he's covering for Trent. Every defender he played, this isn't a slight on Terry because Terry did improve plays he played with as well, but Van Dijk's never played with a top centre-half. He hasn't. Ever.

1:27:41Reev:Canadi. Whoa, Matip, man.

1:27:43Lewis Bowden:In fairness, and as much as I still rate Rio and Terry, obviously they're in my top three, they consistently had a really, really good set. You've put Vidic how high in your list? Four. We've all got Carvalho in this list. Gary Cale was unbelievable for Chelsea. I know people are pointing out, what about this, this and that? Okay. But on the whole, Rio and Terry had really, really good centre-half partnerships. Joel Matip, before and since Liverpool, has done nothing. Right? Canate's been found out this season when Van Dijk's not been his best. Joe Gomez has been his partnership. And he elevates these players because he's so good.

1:28:23Reev:But Terry has done that too. You've already raised the point that he could do that. like John Terry has elevated players that he's been next to as well. Not to the same level though. And they were better players. Yeah, but is that not because they don't need their level raising that they were already that good? Whereas if you put him in with a player that wasn't as good, you would see the example of how much he would elevate. I don't know if he would though. They do say that Carvalho made John Terry better.

1:28:45Lewis Bowden:I think Carvalho was the Rolls-Royce of that centre half. Terry was the captain, the leader, the fucking, the all-out defender. They were a great partnership. Carvalho could defend in the Premier League now. 100 % I actually think Carvalho this is I've got Terry higher obviously so don't fucking shoot me if you I think Carvalho would do better in the modern game than John Terry personally

1:29:06Reev:don't think that's the bad bold shout why did you just call yourself bad word

1:29:12Lewis Bowden:you haven't even finished the list yet yeah I find it an interesting debate because I mean that's why I'm interested to see if you thought John Terry could do it in this day and day maybe I'm being harsh and what I remember of John but I do remember Terry being he read the game brilliantly so he got away with the lack of pace in that day and age but I think in the modern era I think he'd get caught out a lot I'd love to go back and watch it because

1:29:33Reev:like if you look at some of the players he was coming up against when they obviously only considered 15 goals a season in that Premier League there was some pace and I know it's not I know they played deeper but I'd love to go I'd love to go back and actually watch it because it's hard to really comment on it without like remembering everything but if you were to play a Terry in this day and age you wouldn't leave as a manager you wouldn't put him in positions where he's left in those, like, you play to his strengths, so you wouldn't play a high line with Terry. You play to his strengths. But that's my point.

1:30:03Lewis Bowden:Liverpool's success came from that aggressive high line, the wing-backs bombing on. I know, but you can get success in other ways as well. Yeah, but they didn't play that way. That's why I'm asking you. I know, but I'm moving it away from that. It's not just about, like, it's not just about only, if you had Terry, you're on about, could Terry play in this modern day and age? You wouldn't play, it doesn't have to be a Liverpool high line. I understand that's your question but I'm coming back sick it doesn't have to be all a position they all play with a high line the top yeah but you wouldn't leave him stranded by himself so that's my point so you've answered the question he can't play in it then but that doesn't mean he can't play at the level though he'd play to his strengths he's not saying that he's not saying that

1:30:39Reev:he's saying he couldn't play in a high line I understand that I'm moving the debate to a different point he's getting really frustrated

1:30:46Lewis Bowden:yeah because all the you're not listening all the modern teams all the modern teams over the past few years all play with a high line, an aggressive defensive line, with wing-backs at bomb on, leave massive gaps behind to squeeze the pitch up. That is the modern game for the top teams. I'm wondering and asking you if you lot think Terry could play that and you're going, well, if you had him, he'd just drop back 20 yards. But none of them play that way. Do you not think in terms of player profile,

1:31:12Reev:Terry is fairly similar to Ruben Diaz in that aspect. Yes. And Ruben Diaz copes. Well, I mean, he won play in the year.

1:31:17Lewis Bowden:Diaz is more athletic. Terry's a better defender.

1:31:21Reev:Yeah, but the example I would give is if you drop John Terry in that Manchester City trouble win inside or whatever the season was where Ruben Diess won Player of the Year. They're still in the trouble. We live in an age where Harry Maguire's had a very successful career. And he got torn apart when he went to Man United with a high line. Yeah, no, but John Terry's like a triple the defender that Maguire is. Maguire's still had a very successful career.

1:31:43Lewis Bowden:Maguire's never played, but we're talking about the top of the top. Yes, I'm talking about a player who has a similar physical attributes, but one's way better. We've been finishing mid-table. I'm using the example of someone who has the same lack of pace, but Terry's triple the player. Yeah, but you're using the example of a player who's playing for a team nowhere near the top. I'm on about the top teams. Third in the league, and he's won the league. Oh, fuck off. But Terry is three times the player of Maguire. I'm not denying that. But his limitations, I personally believe, in the modern day would catch him out.

1:32:12Lewis Bowden:By the way, I'm not saying he couldn't play for a City. I think he'd really struggle in that Liverpool team, for sure. The City team, I think I could see him. I think the Diaz is a great comparison. But I think we'd rate him less than we did in that era. I think that era suits his style a lot more than the modern era. Which, by the way, isn't a slight on him at all. No, no, no. You can only play the era you give him. Absolutely. I just find it interesting to think, even though I've got Terry second, I actually think Rio would be better in this era.

1:32:45Reev:No, that's true.

1:32:46Lewis Bowden:Do you know what I mean? I would agree with you. I find it fun to think of. Let's finish your list off then, Theo. Oh, shit, sorry. I think it's quite easy.

1:32:55Reev:Mine is, it goes Vinic, and then I've got Ferdinand, Van Dijk, and Terry. Nice. But I think those three are just unanimous and should be in your top three. Yeah, I think it's total personal preference, like how you view what you want from a defender, like what area you watch, et cetera. I love the way, I actually just absolutely love the way Terry would play football, though. Terry's just like, have a heart in your sleep. Absolutely Stuff he used to do Yeah yeah yeah

1:33:18Lewis Bowden:I also think If you could only have one In the dressing room You'd want to tell him 100 % Terry 100 % Absolutely Which I think is underrated Yeah

1:33:27Reev:I mean it got to a degree Where people say Van Dijk was defending With aura Right

1:33:32Lewis Bowden:But also Van Dijk Van Dijk When Liverpool were at their best He wasn't the captain Yeah

1:33:37Reev:No So you could He wasn't

1:33:39Lewis Bowden:I know he wasn't But an argument for Terry would be Would Terry have to be captain as well And lead them all Yeah yeah Van Dijk could kind of just get on with his job. And let Henderson do

1:33:48Reev:other talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In tenth, I've got Ledley King. Ninth, John Stones. Eighth, Saul Campbell. Do you think that's low? I don't know where I had him, but I think I'm sixth or seventh. For the seven I've got above him, I just think they're just... Certainly... I had Campbell seventh. Seventh... One place too low. Seventh, Carvalho. Sixth, Manu Vidic. Fifth, Vincent Kompany. I thought you'd have put him higher, to be honest but company no no no the next player fourth Tony Adams yeah I the only reason I didn't I don't know Thomas yeah yeah inside yeah really good

1:34:30Lewis Bowden:that's why you tune in guys

1:34:32Reev:same three as Theo I've got third Ferdinand second Van Dijk and then first John Terry I think the I think top three is definitely whichever argument you want to come from it is interchangeable I think I think they are unanimous I'd actually go as far as I I think top two I think Ferdinand is three and then it's Van Dyke or Terry I think yeah I don't think people will agree with that you think

1:34:54Lewis Bowden:I agree with you I agree with you you think Ferdinand and Terry I think the majority will say it's Terry and Rio do you feel like company's been undersold in these lists

1:35:03Reev:like company putting him in like fourth or fifth where did you just have him oh sorry I thought you had him who did you have in ninth John Stones oh that's John Stones sorry you had him ninth and you had him I'm with Stones fourth. You had a nine. Do you not feel like you're underselling him a bit there? No.

1:35:21Lewis Bowden:Because I think you have to take into account longevity. We're talking about like Pete Lewis. We're not there because otherwise I'd have Japs Stamm in here. Japs Stamm had three seasons.

1:35:28Reev:Let's see who put Stones above. Also Lewis, Conley had a lot of injury problems. He only played, I don't think he played a game over 30 games of Premier League season after 2012. If you bring in the appearances, fair enough. I didn't really think about appearances. I was just thinking about who do I think is the best defenders. Yeah, but in that case, then Ledley King would be way higher, right? Because the peak Ledley King would be... Or Yapstam. Anybody that you didn't put in that you felt maybe could be deserved to be in there. I didn't put Carragher in, but... Yeah, there's a lot of players where...

1:35:56Reev:I know it's early doors, but could Saliba Gabriel in with a shout, depending on how things are. They have to win it, though, don't they, really?

1:36:05Lewis Bowden:But again, going back to Terry, didn't he captain, what, is it four or five? Five, yeah. Five Premier League winning, that's fucking mega, that. Carrigan never won the Prem True Lady King didn't Exactly One man who did win the Prem Not with Arsenal But with City Caller Torre Was he in that show? He was I thought Torre And I thought of Hippier But I thought I just Torre is I'd put Torre But Hippier Yeah for sure How far off Ruben Do you know another one?

1:36:32Reev:Yeah I mean that's Definitely Top 15 maybe

1:36:35Lewis Bowden:Another one I don't think it's Rogue He's best If we're talking like Peak Koscielny man Was fucking unreal He was great He was great but but he could play in the modern day with his pace. I suppose he did play in the modern day. Vermarlin? Nice? No. Justin Hoyt? Well, Vertonghen and Vermarlin, they would have a shout. I think the big one's Stam, isn't it? It just wasn't there. It was just three years. Fergie said he was the biggest, his only mistake they made, letting go of Stapstam. He was gone before I can remember, really. I struggle with this a bit because I was like five for a lot of these it was the end of his career yeah

1:37:17Reev:but that was the argument

1:37:18Lewis Bowden:I never realised right Desiree because I was watching I actually was watching an old Milan he's a stud IAC's game just the highlights of the game from 95 and Desiree was actually a holding mid yeah and he moved to centre half I actually didn't know that Mascherano and Laurent Blanc I actually didn't know that he went back all the way

1:37:36Reev:well guys let us know your top 10 in the comments down below why Lewis's list absolutely sucks

1:37:40Lewis Bowden:alright there we have it comment below who had the best centre-back list. We'll see you on the stream for Arsenal, the humbling. It's fucking good, guys. Hey, you nervous, aren't you?

1:37:51Reev:I am a little bit. A little bit nervous, boy. What are you nervous for? It's only had to let it go Madrid. Clip it. I'll take a treble.

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