Steve Bracknall Ranks His All Time PL Managers, Gives His Top 10 PL Captains Ever And Names His England World Cup XI!

9:43Lewis Bowden:Pep Guardiola. I mean, are we even bothering talking about this?

9:47Theo:He doesn't need an explanation, does he? What are you doing? He's S. Give me a million quid and I'll go into S. No, no, no, no, no. He absolutely destroyed the game. He's only ever played with... No way. Are you seeing the triple down into... Put Cruyff in there because he would man... He worked brains behind Barcelona. Yeah, but they don't... He's struggling with City to reinvent side. He goes in eighth, he's lucky. No. That's crazy. He's got rid of his FA Cup replays.

10:19Reev:Are we forgetting that they also... Oh, that is true, I do agree with that. Is it Premier League, Matt? Are we looking at his whole career, or is it just Prem? No, it's Premier League. Prem. He's done pretty well in the Prem. I think he's won four in a row, six and seven, something like that. Centurions, a treble winner. He's done a high-level game of foul English football.

10:34Lewis Bowden:He's not that everyone now copies the way they play. He's got a Camden's league. How many times in a row did he win the Prem as well?

10:39Theo:Arteta was a disciple of him, that sort of thing.

10:41Reev:Yeah. He actually paved the way for Sunday league teams to play out from the back. Yeah, but that's woke nonsense, isn't it? That is why. He inadvertently damaged the British game. He's looking to get in B. But I'm out-voted. I'm a democracy. I think...

10:56Lewis Bowden:Hang on, long throws are coming back, mate. They're going a bit direct now. Because they've realised it's a load of nonsense. Exactly. He's won at Munich. Easy. City. Easy. Barca, easy. I can't hear arguments against... I'll tell you what, bring Mark Hughes up, send Pep Dance up to Carlisle, and then we're exactly here. I'm telling you now, he'll fucking struggle. He's put a good argument across, I'm not going to lie. Yeah, but that's... Maybe he's fucking at Carlisle. Maybe Guardiola is shit, guys. What did he do before Barca? That was his first job. Exactly. And he won the treble. Put me in charge of McDonald's, I'll make money.

11:32Come on.

11:32Lewis Bowden:That's not true. Some of them fail, don't they, franchises? Yeah, they actually do. You have to have a great owner who owns seven in the South East. He owns about 15 clubs. It's a disgrace, but I'm outvoted. I mean, I've got to run records so that I do not vote that. Yeah, but if it was that easy, why has every manager before him and after him not done the same at Barcelona? Financial difficulties. Oh, shut up. This next one's the biggest crybaby out of the lot, by the way. It's eight. If you're talking about ruining football, this guy would sit and whinge because teams have come to play Liverpool who are better than them and sit back and scrape a draw and he'd be like, why are you not playing the way I want?

12:06Why are we playing on a Saturday? Why are we playing three times a week? Why don't you rotate your squad? I can't stand, Clough. He does be edited. We can't do cup replays anymore. We're playing at eight. Oh, yeah, because that two and a half hour difference is going to make a... Let me be frank. Let me be fair. He played attacking football. Yeah, he did. I liked watching his team. He did come up short a lot, though.

12:28Lewis Bowden:Yeah, Frank Lampard there. He only won one league title. Against, I believe, the greatest Premier League title. So we're talking about Premier League. Change the sub rule, though, didn't he? He cried about that for ages. He's cried about the other squads. Yeah, oh, sorry. We've got the biggest budget and the best players, but we need more subs. Yeah, we need to sub all our... Oh, you're doing well against our billion-pound team. Well, let us sub on five more billion-pound players, and then we'll beat you. Luke, just to put a counter argument forward,

12:55Theo:do you not say that's quite an influential manager? Yeah, for the wrong reasons. B, infiltrator. Oh, God, this is hard. He's A. It's A He's retired And he's still crying About the amount of games Because of how fucking good His reign was in the Premier League

13:08Lewis Bowden:He won one Premier League

13:10Reev:He was an exciting On a point basis It was exciting And he brought Liverpool Back to the forefront Yeah they were never

13:15Lewis Bowden:In contention Mate Brendan Rodgers Nearly won in the league A few years before With the worst team Yeah but come on now

13:24Reev:You think Brendan Rodgers Better manager than Jürgen Klopp I'm not saying that I'm saying Sounds like you said that That sounds exactly We're basing

13:31Lewis Bowden:We're basing all this On just the Premier League Right If it's overall, he's obviously A because of his achievements in Europe, all that right. Well, I understand that.

13:38Reev:Do you not think fighting for the Premier League for a few years in a row is quite good as well? It's not like they weren't just won it once and they did nothing for it all the time.

13:47Lewis Bowden:Right, so we're going to put all the managers who finished, like Gerard Houli, I've been putting in A then, because he won a few trophies and finished second a few times and got close.

13:55Reev:No, I think Jan Klopp did more than that. I think you sort of trend... I think we've got to take into consideration where Liverpool were. Yeah, yeah. And that previous 20 years. And again in belief. And I think as well, you know it's a Premier League manager. Yeah, but the Premier League club appear in other competitions rather than, say with Pep, you're not looking at his stint at Barca or Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund. You're looking at Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool when they won the Champions League. Yeah, but it's not a Champions League list. It's a Premier League list. Yeah, he's a manager of a Premier League club who also compete in other competitions.

14:23Reev:But we're not taking that into... Yes, we are. No, we're not. We're just not looking at his Dortmund career. Like with Pep, we're not looking at his Barca career, but we're still looking at what he did with City. because it affects the Premier League season how far you go in a competition like that obviously come on now don't be so dumb well I didn't think we were doing that it's going to affect how he plays in the Prem if you have more games and you play in Champions League and stuff we just don't look at him at Dortmund but he is a little baby Liverpool are in the Premier League and they also compete in other competitions I'm happy for him to be in A putting him in B is really harsh not S I'm happy for him to be in A I say sorry why?

14:51it's like being in Taproom at Oak Paul Jewell Paul Jewell managed the work

14:58Lewis Bowden:good job at Bradford Yeah, but he managed the worst.

15:00Reev:Didn't he win an FA Cup with Wigan? No, Martin has that.

15:07Lewis Bowden:You're only about 10 years late, mate. Fucking hell. Who drew a manager at Wigan in 08? Actually, they were a little sex scandal. They didn't win it in 08. They were a little sex scandal, so... He did well with Wigan when they first came up as well, didn't he? He did all right when they first came up. He came to Sheffield when... I don't remember him at Bradford. Peck by the chicken. But this is what I mean. Pep won Kim Bundesliga and won Champions League with Barca we're talking about the Prem yeah but he took Bradford to Prem that's decent arguably more impressive I do think a lot of these top managers can't do that these days we're not gonna but that's like saying Messi couldn't do it for Carlisle I think that's one of the hardest things you can do as a manager take someone from low divisions to the top division to get through all the divisions with one team it's not though because the gap is way smaller.

15:58If you're going to insist it,

15:59Lewis Bowden:then I'm not going to... The gap from going from League 2 to the Championship is a much more... Rob Edwards would be one of the British. Then like the mid-table and the Prems are winning it. The gap's way bigger. It's going to be a long day if we're debating Paul Jules. Get a new fucking day.

16:16Reev:Let's not kid ourselves. Rafa Benitez. Oh, Rafa.

16:20Theo:Oh, yeah. Champions League? Yeah. Why don't we Liverpool? Guys, better or worse as a Newcastle fan I'd be interested to know you he did unbelievable considering how did he do unbelievable with how much of a state our club was in yeah he came in and he he was in the back end of the Ashley era but he was really good for us he played pragmatic clever football we'd be in the game one goal down draw and we'd steal it at the end is that how bad it were that you were desperate for pragmatism I promise you it was that bad but not even when he went into Chelsea interim manager and then he what did he win at Chelsea again he won a trophy and they were all still shouting at him what about Everton I think Rafa Benitez has been 55 years old forever he's been home forever and old Spanish does he have he brings something to it there and he's a magician yeah I sort of thought we're in with Maranakis I think this is B yeah I think he's A is he on the same tour as well we can't we can't Benitez

17:17Reev:Benitez yeah he was the mastermind behind the infamous Champions League comeback yep

17:24Lewis Bowden:I mean yeah he fluked a fucking champion

17:26Reev:you know you're so cheap and it's so cheap he did he fucking fluked it no he did it mate you should have heard him in the dressing room you should have heard him

17:36Lewis Bowden:they also shouldn't have been in the final because that goal that shot never went in from Garcia prove it don't know why I'm sticking up for Liverpool it is B Max is that Conte Conte Conte fucking Chelsea track whoever did his hair transplant

17:50Theo:wants to go in there

17:51Reev:yeah and if you are watching please message me on his phone.

17:54Theo:Conte is equally look at his area pre Conte is equally as good as the spot. Look at that there is hope for us all. Me and Theo are going to Istanbul to see Conte's man. God that's not nice to look at. Fancy it Theo Gwaves.

18:10Reev:I've already been once. Have you? Failed. No it didn't fail it just didn't work 100%.

18:17Theo:Got left with three. What percentage of it did work? Oh I think this is I. Yeah Conte's equally as good as Cot. Where's Conte? Oh, he won the league for Chelsea.

18:25Lewis Bowden:Yeah, Chelsea. With the three at the back. The new sexy formation that came in. How did he do at Spurs? Not very well. No, he did. Pushing a pull. I think A, if you put him Benitez B, I think A is a bit hard, isn't it? I think it's B.

18:37Theo:He's achieved way more in the Prem. No, he's done more than Benitez in the Prem League. Has he done more than Kopp? I don't know if he has done more than Benitez. If we compare their Prem League. Benitez won the Champions League. But he's won the Prem. Benitez won the Champions League. He's won the competition we're talking about. Yeah, true. twice yeah we're talking about Premier League

18:56Reev:this is what you're not understanding

18:59Lewis Bowden:he didn't win it twice I didn't say that why did you

19:02Theo:you went twice I said rice rice he said twice

19:07Reev:I was just I was hungry my point is this just because we're talking about a Premier League manager we have to take into consideration the Premier League has more the Premier League has more onus to this conversation if you are not an argument anywhere to say that Conte is level above Benitez there can't be an argument there I think there is I think there is I think there is batshit fucking crazy in my opinion Can you have a look

19:28Lewis Bowden:at what Benitez yeah he was at Chelsea he won Summit I don't think he didn't do very well at Chelsea didn't know when it was a Europa League yeah but he won Summit he was only in for like six months as well he won the FA Cup Queen of the Shield Champions League come on FIFA Cup

19:44Reev:FIFA Club World Cup Championship runner up Championship with us Europa League of Chelsea can't say above Benitez I think it's mental He even went down and had a spelling championship. Mate, when he was at Chelsea, all of them hated him and he still won. Championship manager of the month in October.

20:00Lewis Bowden:I mean, it's a democracy in it. I'd have him in. Longevity in the league as well. Conte won everywhere he's been. Yeah, we're not talking

20:06Reev:about everywhere he's been though, are we? Yeah, everywhere. We're not talking about that. He's just won the title with Napoli. We're not. Irrelevant. Absolutely irrelevant. He won FA Cup and Premier League. Hold on a minute. He's won four. Premier League, FA Cup with Chelsea. Irrelevant. He's won Serie A with...

20:21Lewis Bowden:Napoli, would it last you? Irrelevant! It's fucking irresistible! If we're taking into account Champions League...

20:27Reev:No! You're being stupid once again! It's fucking S for me!

20:31Theo:You're being stupid, Tom. He came...

20:33Reev:No, with Pep... He won a Premier League with Victor Moses at wing-back. Don't disrespect

20:38Lewis Bowden:Victor Moses.

20:39Reev:Victor Moses was good! You can't stop bringing in Napoli win the fucking Serie A when we're not talking about Pep or what he did at Barcelona. But I'm on just...

20:45Theo:More power than Benitez not winning it, though. It turned fucking Scott McTominay into fucking... Exactly, exactly.

20:52Lewis Bowden:He's got to fucking go up. Everywhere Benitez has gone, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, failed, failed, failed.

20:57Reev:You're talking about... But irrelevant. It's irrelevant, Tom. You're off a league. Oh, wait, what a shock. Tom changing his fucking goalpost to suit his agenda and argument. What a shock. Never seen that before, have we?

21:08Lewis Bowden:This is meant to be a Premier League list and you're bringing up other competitions. We could. We're the manager of a Premier League. So if you're doing that, I'm going to bring up their overall manager. We've got to get context.

21:17Reev:Wait, no, sorry. What do you not understand? your thick fucking head. Tom, when you were a manager of Liverpool, you were a Premier League manager, yeah, but you're in other competitions. We're not talking about Pep's era in fucking Germany or Spain. But we're ranking them as managers. Yeah, and they manage a team in the Champions League. Yeah. Tom, what don't you understand? You're moving the goalpost to pick your agenda. You don't. No, no, just to... We either always like the Premier League or take everything into account. No, you take into account the trophies they won whilst managing the Premier League club.

21:46Reev:It's not everything. We're not talking about Napoli. They're not in the Prem The trophies that they want Whilst managing the Prem club

21:52Lewis Bowden:I agree Oh thank you I think He agrees with us No he doesn't He doesn't The point I'll make is

22:00Theo:When we get round to Ancelotti His overall career is definitely Anxiety But it won't He can't be considered S Because it's Premier League only

22:07Reev:That's the point That's why we're doing a Premier League only one That's what I'm saying Yeah But you have to include the competitions That they are in

22:12Lewis Bowden:So then it's silly then It's not silly It's what they did at the Premier League club

22:16Reev:When they're managing that Prem club what trophies did they win at that ball it's not hard to understand

22:20Theo:I think Conte is an A that's not silly you were not doing overall manager because it affects their performance in the Premier League I know but he's still earned the right to be an A in the Premier League he's won the Premier with Chelsea he's won multiple competitions in England he's won an FA Cup as well no definitely not he's all right I don't think we're far off here he'll be alright

22:39Reev:Dalgleish Dalgleish

22:41Lewis Bowden:I mean he won it

22:42Reev:Blackburn he's good at what did he win with Liverpool fucking loads nothing Benitez

22:48Lewis Bowden:Maybe a league cup Or something No he won a summit No Dalgleish Dalgleish Benitez won the cup And the Champions League Didn't he As manager Won first division Three times No no no This is before That's before the Prem

23:00Theo:Yeah that was No no We include first division League cup He won the league cup Well we've got to include First division surely Why? It's the Premier League He's won the Premier League It's a completely He's won the Premier League He won it with a Yeah we said that That's harsh I think you've got I think you've got Dalglish would be A I think that's fair yeah go here fucking hell Dalglish can we just put this can we put this man in D and just like let him sit there yeah fucking Steve let me I've got a bone to pick with you please do went to the Oasis oh fucking night Steve Bruce got absolute star treatment Phil Forden asked for a photo with me I'm gobsmacked I asked for a photo with I said no problem Phil it's an absolute pleasure I asked for a photo with Steve Bruce not now I need a piss he can fuck get him in D and he managed my football club for about three weeks until your lot came knocking yeah how was those three weeks fucking brilliant he got us going he left us he fucking he left us bottom of the league he just made me lose hope did he go for a way or was he lying he was bladded he's done with me Steve fucking shit alright oh Tony Pulis is that come on he's iconic man another one who managed us for fucking two weeks he had a solid stint Stoke under Pueless was a horrible place exactly fuck Tony Pueless what what did you say he said he wants to fuck Tony Pueless he wants to have sex with him

24:32Lewis Bowden:and he's also he's also one of the biggest frauds because both times he would have got relegated so he technically he's never been relegated from the Premier League only because the two times he's about to be relegated with Stoke and then us he gets the sack

24:44Reev:Convenient timing. He also has a great vibe about his tracksuit. I hate him. Put him in D. Gerard Julio. Gerard Julio. B.

24:52Lewis Bowden:It's got to be B. I think he goes bang at Sarabene. Yeah. Very similar to Benitez. He had that mad season when he won about 19 trophies. They won the fake travel, didn't they? The US men's national team coach. This might be harsh, but someone's going to have to start filling up that seat.

25:11Reev:It's Mike Affer, actually, Pochettino. He's like a manager who is better than what he's achieved, in my opinion. But if he hasn't achieved it, you mean he should have more silverware throughout good he is? I think that his ability as a manager, he should have won more. Vassilet, overrated.

25:24Lewis Bowden:Ooh. I think I agree with you a bit. What's he done? You want to know something? When you end up landing USA in that final spurs.

25:31Reev:I agree, he should have won the league with spurs. I'd like to reveal some inside knowledge here. You've sucked him off. I have not done that. You can't like this man. Do you know who the brains are behind Pochettino? His head? It's his assistant. everywhere he goes he's the one making the decisions how do you know that because I worked under him for about four days pretty common that isn't it though I'm not being funny but if you wound up

25:53Lewis Bowden:as national USA coach you ain't no they don't like him over that I'd put him in C personally yeah I agree underachiever he almost got the

26:01Theo:Champions League though

26:02Lewis Bowden:Ryanier aye oh Claudio mate he won Premier League with Wes Morgan yeah and he did a decent job at Chelsea I forget that.

26:14Theo:National hero. Who's that? Arsene. Arsene. S. How many reserves? There's three in S. Okay, yeah. In all the greats. Pep's going in S. We're having Wenger in S. Yeah, yeah. I think S. Why? Hold on a second. Tom, there's no argument. It's S.

26:29Reev:He also changed English football. Oh, let's not do that, though. We did. You make me want to put him down. We just said that about Pep and everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we said about Arsene Wenger. He's saying it because he's asking. He's true. No, no.

26:47Lewis Bowden:He didn't change English football. He signed about 40 French players who just didn't want to go out on the piss. He didn't change English football. I might do it at fucking home. Bring them back. He didn't stop. He didn't ban smoking, though. They were still smoking. And drinking.

27:01Reev:And he put people on real food. And he went home eating. Wow.

27:05Lewis Bowden:Yeah, he changed football. He made them eat salads. What are you doing? What are you doing? You agree with me. Yeah, he does agree. he does he agrees

27:13Reev:is that Jose he's in S relax oh because he said there's no argument now he's suddenly changed to S look at you

27:21Lewis Bowden:are we saying there's only three in there I think there's three in there Wenger's not going in then what we got Jose Jose's next yeah Jose's in S are we joking I've got a lot more in S in my mind I think Jose goes I'm having Jose Jose goes S as well yeah

27:36Theo:we're going to get our photo in here but I think Wenger should be in S Wait, wait, wait.

27:40Reev:If I had to choose one, if I had to choose one, I'd put Mourinho above Wenger. Wenger. Wenger. Wenger, wonger, wenger. No, I think there's a few in S. I can see some. Okay, we don't have to put three in S.

27:53Lewis Bowden:Oh my God, he's going to try and put Bobby Robson in S. That's the cringiest thing. Of course he is.

28:01Reev:Of course he is. Hey, it's not a spoiler, guys. But obviously Mourinho's not like a Newcastle fan to be overinflated about Fucking crazy. I don't know what you're talking about. I've not even said my opinion yet. Mourinho's biggest Premier League achievement was finishing second with Man United. That's what you said, isn't it?

28:16Theo:Yeah, I mean... It was still a good achievement.

28:19Reev:It's been proven pretty correct since then.

28:20Theo:Well, he did get John Terres to score 15 goals.

28:24Lewis Bowden:And he actually came back and won it again with Chelsea with a completely different team. He's by far... David Moyes...

28:31Reev:You know he's pipped to be the next Portugal manager after he leaves Benfica, haven't he? They've been saying that for 15 years. Give him a year of Benfica. Just the year Who's Portugal manager At the minute Martinez Oh Flood You see They've been They've been They've been asking Martinez in Portugal But oh What do you think About Mourinho Taking over And he's like What Why are you asking me Taking over what His job Get him out He's just hidden Like international football David Moyes B David Moyes Yeah he's definitely

29:02Theo:I think A I think that's harsh I think A No Longevity Come on Let's not be creative Come on And then he goes, A's reserve for you. Come on, let's see. If Kenny Dalgleish is in here, you can get boys in here. Kenny won it. Kenny needs to be delegated. Dalgleish won it. Yeah, Dalgleish won it. I love him at Moise. He's got the trophy in his hands and his picture. Moise has been there, done it, won't it. It's not all about winning titles. It's longevity. It's longevity. I had a bad stint at Sunderland as well.

29:29Lewis Bowden:Let's not forget that. United and Sunderland, terrible.

29:32Reev:He went terrible at United, actually. I think he was. It was only because the standards of players. I think they should have stuck with Moisley Knight. I think that was a terrible mistake. That's so easy to say now. At the time, it was horrendous. I said it at the time. When I was 13. Sure you did. That's the West Ham fan, because they can go and swivel.

29:48Lewis Bowden:I think B's fair. Look at the people that are already in. Did well. Yeah. Done well at everyone. Who's this? Ancelotti. We've got Kenny Fartou. Don Carlo.

29:58Reev:Change your agenda. Carlo Ancelotti. What agenda? What? Say you brought up the West Ham winning a trophy book when we did that.

30:04Lewis Bowden:Because you told me to include it.

30:06Reev:No, I know. It's just funny now.

30:07Lewis Bowden:So I'm now doing what you asked me to do.

30:10Theo:Good boy. Oh. Good boy. Carlo in, eh? He's won it. I mean, objectively, he's one of the best in the list entirely. How was he at Everton in COVID? I can't even remember. That's one of the worst decisions for ever. Sainz Rodriguez, didn't he?

30:21Reev:Sainz James. But then obviously James had to go over. Yeah, he did that thing, didn't he? He did that thing. Yeah. They chopped his knob off, lad. I care. I'm actually scared to put Ancelotti anywhere. Aye. He said aye. he won the double he won the double

30:35Lewis Bowden:with Chelsea get him in here yeah let me talk to you about let me talk to you about the entertainers real quick here we go oh fuck it do you mean the bottlers the bottlers Tom Tom the fucking bottlers what do you want about football weren't you 12 points clear in the Premier League you still didn't win it under Keegan I just want to the entertainers look at him look at him look at him he jumped down my throat I didn't even say where I want him to go let me just talk about what we love about football though attacking football aggression just pure just fucking chaos that's what he brought he won a Ballon d 'Or it doesn't really come into this question but thank you anyway for the passion Colombian wingers and strikers linked to cartels if we had 20 managers like him this would be the greatest thing in the world he needs to be A however absolutely not he completely failed at every managerial job

31:24Reev:and if you're an audio listener it's Kevin Keegan he's talking about no come on let's call him a film if we're talking about football where this a rainy Old Wembley Stadium And Dietmar A man's taking a free kick And you're basically Come on He's in the one league He threw it They threw it away

31:44Lewis Bowden:12 points clear In the Premier League You talk about Arsenal being bottlers And you want to put him in high He got in the high

31:49Reev:Put a little worm in Can you imagine if that was Arsenal But one of the most He's one of the most Iconical managers In Premier League history Okay okay Pochettino played Attacking fun football And failed Nothing like the Look at Ange Come on What do you mean? Nothing like that. You need to have some fucking respect. I know, and I still know about the entertainers. What are you doing? Will we talk about in the Premier League throughout time? No, you won't. It will.

32:09Lewis Bowden:No one talks about it. Of course I will. People talk about you bottling the league. By the way, people talk about you bottling the league. The entertainers are known throughout. Yes, they do. We're talking about everyone knows the entertainers. You're talking out your ass. I'm not. Steve's going. Steve's going. You're going to have to have an heart attack here. You can't put Neil Warnock over the Kevin Keegan. Oh, my God. That's a disgusting thing. What's Kevin Keegan achieved other than the entertainers we played attacking football and then chucked it yeah lads you can't Putnam D is mental psychologically destroyed by the game that's crazy I think he's C Big Sav an absolute pioneer of the game first one to use data

32:51Reev:yeah and yeah Keegan in the Prem as a manager did nothing literally literally nothing he won the first division though we've already decided we're not allowed to use that He won the first division

33:00Lewis Bowden:Did he? As a manager? Yeah Has anyone seen it With who?

33:05Reev:With, I'll tell you With Newcastle Not now, Gleesh Kevin Keegan That's as a player Unless he just got promoted I think he just got promoted Keegan now lives on a farm With David

33:16Theo:Kenny Keegan Kenny Keegan Are you alright? Come on, let's look at his I can't believe Get down, get down He won Ballon d 'Or twice Exactly Unbelievable Amazing

33:27Lewis Bowden:Oh yeah, so he won The championship with him Basically just said that yeah we all do respect Trabmier were fourth that year

33:38Reev:good time I love it man actually maybe he's D mate I want me uncle Nick but I wouldn't be putting him in his as a great

33:48Lewis Bowden:if you really see Tony Pulis has done more in the Premier League than Keegan you put him on the same list as fucking Steve Bruce is ridiculous Steve Bruce kept wigging him Steve Bruce should be Do you think Steve Bruce is a better manager than Kevin Keegan? One million percent. One million percent. He's just... What's Keegan ever done other than bottle Newcastle's title and bottle the England job? At least he was in a title race, what we're talking about. He was in a title race against one of the best teams in the world. So? Yeah, but you're talking about to bottle a title race. To bottle a title race, you have to be in the title race.

34:22He got the team in the title race by playing exciting, exciting football. Oh, it's funny. You want to say that, man. Well, by this logic, we should put Arteta in D. What? No, that's the opposite of your logic. No, he's won a trophy either. All right, you can go C. I'll get round to Arteta soon. We'll remember that. Big Sam next.

34:39Lewis Bowden:A C or B, I think. Big Sam did an amazing job at Bolton. Big Sam nearly signed Zidane, didn't he? For Blackburn. Did he? He had the England job for a few days. Yeah. I think we can see. I think we can see. I don't know if we can put him D. He's not D. He looks, Pochettino looks great in between yous and Allardyce here. Fucking billion. Oh, Bobby Robson. This is a tough one. Lou thoughts. I think this is B or C. Don't say, Tom, come on, man. Again, what's he done in the Premier League? Oh, come on. Tell him that. Tell me. I'll find out. I'll get it on. What's your definition? You have to win the league, otherwise you go on and see.

35:20Well, did you do it in the Premier League? He took Newcastle, who were relegation-bound, and made them a Champions League club again. We were relegation about Alan Chiro. No, we were relegation about Alan Chiro's about to leave the club. He turned everyone around. He did a good job. He did a good job. I said B or C. No, I didn't.

35:39Reev:They came second in the Intertanto Cup. No, they weren't. That's crazy.

35:45Lewis Bowden:I think he's B or C. We can't let his overall management and his legendary status with England and stuff. Cloud Premier League. I feel like you're massively underplayed. what he did at Newcastle. He did a good job.

35:59Reev:He did a great job. He won the UEFA Cup with it. But Pulis did a great job at Stoke. It is a controversial thing. You can remember what Sir Bobby did

36:05Lewis Bowden:at Newcastle to Tony Pulis at Stoke. Yeah, he took Stoke from being relegation in the championship to mid-table in the Premier League with no budget. With no budget. England were shit in Italy, aren't they?

36:17Reev:They're true. They were shit. They're true to fucking Egypt and Ireland. They're fucking... Lovely bloke. Lovely bloke. But so is my milkman. I'm sorry But it's going Fucking deep Oh no What's he doing See See See See He's got a Very harsh On Steve Bruce Because I Only harsh On Steve Bruce

36:41Lewis Bowden:Because he didn't Did he manage anyone else In the Premier He didn't did he Because he was managing Before the Premier He did Ipswich you in the way For Cup I feel like it's Extremely Extremely harsh Under playing What he did in Newcastle No we're not We've all said He's done a great job Rob, you did a great job at Newcastle. What do you expect to... It's a Toto Cup run us up 2001. What do you expect to... Who did they play to get there? We weren't the dominant... Maybe winning FA Cup for Newcastle. Oh, they lost to Troy. Troy's... What a fucking game. But listen, we're not... We weren't the dominant force that you're thinking in your head.

37:15Lewis Bowden:I'm not saying you are. We were a relegation team that he made a consistent, like, Champions League team competing at the top. Like, that is not... We're better than C. You're putting Allardyce In that same category Because he did it once So Bobby did it All and all again He didn't do it once With Bolton And then what's he done He did it for What do you mean He did it multiple times He turns a competing at the top What are you talking about Have a look at what Sam Allardyce has done He took Bolton from the championship To being in The UEFA Cup Yeah Latter stages Bolton I'm talking about Champions League Bobby Robson Was managing one of the biggest clubs in England The best striker in England Who a few years before him Challenged for a league title and got them in the Champions League a few times, did a good job, and you're on about him being B and A?

37:56Lewis Bowden:Like, he didn't do anything. I'll take B. You're putting him in C. He's on about D. I think C's fair.

38:01Reev:D, he's D. It's Prem only, remember.

38:04Lewis Bowden:It's not about it and whatnot. If we're doing Bobby Robson as a whole, as he's currently, obviously he's higher. I'm unvoted. I'm just saying, in my opinion, he's at least B. But you are going to say that because you're a Newcastle fan. Well, so why are you angry with me for saying it then? I'm not angry at you.

38:17Reev:Sounds great. You're the one being angry. He's just shouting at me saying, well, you are going to see that. Remember, Tom doesn't get angry. Oh, yes.

38:26He went red. He's about to play.

38:28Lewis Bowden:He's went red. He can see a Steve coming out of his ears. Arteta. He's potentially going to enter A, but he's B at minute. B plus. He's put a very good team together. I don't understand why we... Surely by the logic you see.

38:44Reev:But we're not just looking at trophies, are we? We're looking at what he's done. And I know you can give us the challenging award, but he has changed the Arsenal Football Club in the years he's been here. But with a lot of money, I'd hope so. Yeah, but you have to look what he's done. I would agree with a B plus or A. He sticks it through an Arsenal fan saying this because they all wanted him fucking out two years ago. I think it's too early to put him in B. Too early? I just don't see what you're... Really? He's spent a ton of money with a big team and now he's competing others. Let me give you an hypothetical situation here.

39:17Go on. What happens if they throw it away at me? That's what I'm saying. Right now, it's a C. I don't know if it's a C. It might be an argument for...

39:25Reev:Do you not think pushing to win the title is better than what Potch did? So did Potch. How many years? I'm happy with B.

39:32Lewis Bowden:A couple of years with a much smaller budget and a worse team. We've just put Kevin Keegan in a D despite doing that as well. It's B.

39:37Reev:It's C. Arteta is B. He's a phenomenal manager. He's a good manager. He's not phenomenal.

39:42Lewis Bowden:What the fuck are we busy? Based on what? Based on what? Challenging for the league. Well, great. Loads of these managers are challenged. the greats win it the greats get over the line I'm not saying he's a great you've just said he's phenomenal he's a phenomenal manager and I think yeah I'm saying I'm sorry he's not right then he's phenomenal

39:58Reev:a great is when you're at the end of the career you've proven everything in trophies and I think Arteta will have that career but this isn't a prediction but as a manager as a football manager he is a phenomenal football manager look at that category in B and look at the other games he's with do you not think he's the standout like who hasn't won out there I think that's fair completely fair He's a better manager than the two below him. I would say that's a completely fair argument. I don't think he's any better than Pochettino. What?

40:23Theo:I think he is. He's got Tottenham two years. They've almost won the Premier League and he got to a Champions League final. That's a fair argument. It's very fair. By the way, spending less money. I think he's got less time.

40:38Reev:But Luke, who do you think is a better manager? Pochettino and Artetti. If you actually look at it, how they control a group of players and create a club, who is the better manager? No, no. Theo, I think, and I promise you I mean this, I think like there's no difference I think they're on the same level are you serious yeah what has has Arteta won the treble and now they realise he's looking like you're fucking mental has Arteta sneakily won the league at some point agree with that you think Pochettino is clear but Pochettino what are you asking me I was just asking you guys asking me what I don't know what you said Lewis said Pochettino's better manager than Arteta no no no that's not what I said I said they're on the same level what Pochettino did with Spurs I don't think they're on the same level I think based on achievements so far

41:13Lewis Bowden:yeah they're on the same level but if you look at the clubs right now I'd say I'd rather have Arteta. I'm about to hit Pochettino a top. If you asked me five years ago, I would have took Pochettino. It's different, isn't it? You can move through these levels. Five years ago, Arteta had been in the job for a year. I think we've got Arteta. I think, yeah, Arteta would be the bottom of B. The bottom of B. Top of B. No. Pellegrini. Pellegrini. Sam Pellegrini. Sam Pellegrini. Won the league. Did he win the league with City? Yeah. He did, didn't he? He was a miserable bastard. What else did he win with City?

41:44Lewis Bowden:Thing is, he was a terrible West Ham man He didn't win an FA Cup What did he do? Not sure Pellegrini I really don't remember this spell of Pellegrini Two League Cups in a Premier League

42:00Reev:How did he get the job? That's not good enough for City that It's a different city though, isn't it? When was it? St. Torrey, they're the race side He's still at Betis, I did not know that Where the fuck is it by China Fortune why would he the other dodgy get?

42:18Theo:I think I'd put him in B. I think B is welfare. I think that's fucking very nice. B. B, B, B, not A. A. Not A. I think he should. I think B. No way. He's a Premier League winner. He's won the league, mate. He's won the league and two league cups, man. It gives you credit enough to be at least a B.

42:35Lewis Bowden:Come on, that's minimum B. See, you're just so used to being nearly boys. You just want to give credit for fucking everything, don't you? Yeah, he became second. Winners win, mate. He's a B. Minimum. Minimum. That gave me the ick, that whole thing.

42:50Theo:That was disgusting. Mancini. He gave you the ick as well. He provided us with the great... He actually did, you know. He kept going. What else did he want? Last minute goals. You've got to put him in here. He's right. He won the first one, didn't he? Yeah, he did. He also is quite cool. He was good for his money. He was entertaining. I think... He's a higher tier than Pellegrini for me. So that's A. He gave us one of the best moments ever. You can't put Mancini under Pellegrini. And he broke the seal, didn't he, for them? He's either top end of B or bottom end of A. Whichever one you want to put that down as.

43:29Theo:He bridges the gap, I think, a little bit.

43:31Lewis Bowden:I think we should put Dalglish down. I do. Dalglish doesn't sit well with me, do you? Don't have a blackbird, man. They were like the biggest spenders that year. I know. but like still taking on the big boys we can move them down if you people in agreement for his own sanity I think we should relegate Kenny at least but do you not think

43:49Reev:the argument of they were the biggest spenders that year sort of is quite cheap when you look at the current state of football now normally the biggest spenders do win I think Big Sam's getting a tough time he's not what are you trying to do putting him in B that photo of him looks like he's piercing me Steve pick up for me mate look at his face and tell me you don't feel sorry for Big Sam Harry run that to put Big Sam alongside Bobby Robson in Prem's fucking mental I agree

44:20Theo:but I feel like for different reasons so what Sam up or Bobby down you think Aladice down don't you no I'm thinking Bobby up

44:26Lewis Bowden:you don't relegate him I'm fucking I don't know to be fair get up get up Aladice he's done a good job pretty much anywhere he's gone he even did okay with us when he come in and COVID he must look at him here Eating the chips He got He got sacked early for Kevin Keegan Him actually Now I think about it And he's the self-professed

44:44Theo:Best manager in Honours Honours

44:45Lewis Bowden:He's got honours He won't have many honours Because he won

44:48Reev:I had something to say Playoffs Blah blah blah Mate let's go Premier League Bolton Bolton Unbelievable job Yeah Newcastle had a new deal He was shit and got sacked for King Kev So Blackburn He did well at Blackburn

45:02Theo:100 % win record for England obviously That's a good win percentage by the way Given the teams When you read it in a list it's not that impressive is it I don't I really don't know what you were trying to you were going to put him on the same list as what Benitez he must be absolutely minted no but he did get

45:15Lewis Bowden:he got the England job he did he would have had it for longer he's had a few good spells but I think C's fair yeah fair enough well but Harry Redknapp at least we've analysed it I can sleep Redknapp he beat Redknapp to the England job didn't he Redknapp's a tricky one he's just he's a good guy I just have good memories of him he did a good Portsmouth did a good job

45:35Reev:Portsmouth Very good job It has to be C that

45:39Lewis Bowden:He took Southampton down He's a classic C He did good at West Ham This doesn't need discussing This doesn't need discussing

45:47Reev:The best of the best I'd say People forget about Fergie How fierce he were And how shit United were When he jogged We can only have three

45:55Lewis Bowden:Only three next With Wenger's down then You can have four No Wenger's out then That's Wenger's out

46:01Reev:In fairness We are You can have four You can't It has to be Vengor over Mourinho. You can't be kicking Mourinho out.

46:10Lewis Bowden:Mourinho's better than Mourinho. Well, is there four Premier Leagues he's won? Not even close. Hey. Mourinho? You've lost your mind. Oh, right, yeah. Mourinho's by far better than Mourinho. Mourinho literally made Mourinho his bitch. He called him the specialist in failure. Yeah, come on. He broke the Man United dominance. Mourinho did.

46:29Theo:You've said Mourinho, haven't you? Yeah, easily.

46:30Lewis Bowden:He won back-to-back titles in his first two years in England. Have you got your stats? Yeah.

46:35Reev:He talks about how many trophies Mourinho won. No, I said four Premier Leagues. Wenger's three Premier Leagues, one invincible trophy and one... Oh, fucking hell! Seven FA cards. Jose's going down. He's going down.

46:52Lewis Bowden:I'd get rid of Pep, but that's not for debate. Mate, Wenger's not better than Mourinho. That's crazy talk. It's just not. He would have won a trophy with Tottenham, by the way, if he wasn't sacked as well. He was going to be the one who actually win a trophy with Spurs. Man United second, would you like?

47:11Theo:Wasn't it to do with money? What were Mourinho's honours? Wasn't it to do with money? Can you get him up? So what was Wenger's?

47:18Lewis Bowden:He won seven FA Cups. Three Premier Leagues,

47:20Reev:seven FA Cups,

47:21Lewis Bowden:seven Community Shields. No, we're not including Community Shields, mate.

47:25Reev:How many FA Cups? Three Manager of the Seasons. I wonder how Mourinho... Seven FA Cups?

47:31Lewis Bowden:Right, so... Mourinho got three Premier Leagues, one FA Cup. Yeah, and three League Cups. You do realise... He won at Man United as well. Do you realise how long they were in the Premier League compared to each other? No, Man United also... Yeah, what's your point? Man United won another League Cup. He won the Europa League with Man United as well. He's done it with different clubs.

47:48Reev:I think Mourinho should be in there. Mourinho left, came back to Man United with shit. I actually want four. I want four, but you're acting as if like Mourinho is this like 10 times better manager of Wenger. He's more effective in his time. You're acting like this is huge disparity. I think there is. That's true, Lee. In his time, he spent less time in the Prem, but he was more effective in that time. He only had like eight seasons in the Prem. You've got Roberto Mancini next to Mourinho. That's the problem. Just have four in S. How many seasons has he had in the Prem? Is he with the Prem like 50 % of the time?

48:19Theo:Put him in S. Yeah, we don't want to... How dare you? They're the four best of all time, aren't they? Yes, they are.

48:26Reev:So for audio listeners, in D, we've got Warnock, Jewel, Bruce, Tony and Keegan in C we got Steve Bruce Pochettino Allardyce Robson Sir Bobby Robson sorry Harry Redknapp in B we got Benitez Ullier Moyes Arteta Pellegrini and Dalglisha by the way you just have an agenda against him he just looks like a nerd you saying that well should they have a amount of complaints from Liverpool fans about Klopp here to your podcast is going to be incredible. No, I think they can agree

49:05Lewis Bowden:he's not S.

49:05Reev:Yeah.

49:06Lewis Bowden:I think they'll want to put him in. Also, I think Mancini should be in V looking at that, you know. Fuck it, he's that.

49:12Reev:But he gave us the Aguero moment. In A, we've got Klopp, Conte, Ranieri, Ancelotti, Mancini and in S, we've got Pep, Wenger, Fergie, Mourinho. Not in that order. I don't think we've done a bad job,

49:26Theo:have we? We had a big fucking Barney to get. Who would you prefer had to be assistant manager too out of that entire list. Who's like your favourite manager style from the group? Big Sam. I knew he was going to say it. It had just worked. It's like gravy on your pie. I reckon you could get him, you know. I met him with a week.

49:44Reev:Did he say he's keen? Didn't say too much, really. I told him if he wanted to come to Wednesday, I'll buy him a bungalow. Put him in his midst so he didn't have to do upstairs. He went, that'd be nice. I don't think he would hate keen to be fine. Lovely man. Speaking of lovely men, we're going to be ranking our top 10 Premier League captains of all time. Yeah, this is tough. Do you want to go first? No, I don't want to go first. You should go first, I think. I don't want to go first. You really should. Nope. I think Reeve's going to go first. No, you can go. Yeah, you can go. No, I think Theo should go first.

50:22Reev:No, I'm all right. You should definitely go first. No, I'm all right on this one. You have no reason why not to, surely. So who have you got 10th?

50:31Have you done your homework? I have.

50:34Reev:He's waited a copy off our homework. I've done 80 % of my homework. You've got eight players. Okay, guys. In 10, I've got Alan Shearer. Very low down. You didn't have him in? Very high up. Very low down. I thought a high up. Was it? He should be higher. Ah. Nine, I've got...

50:58Reev:I've got Thierry Henry for the two years he was captain. What? 205 and 207 he was captain. Oh my God. You're joking. Got Henry down. No, I was joking. I got Seth Fabregas in nine. He's got no one in nine. He's got no one in nine.

51:17Theo:He's making it up. That's just bad.

51:20Reev:And now we're getting onto the list. In eight,

51:23Theo:I've got Eric Cantona. No, because we actually have names on the side here so you have to put someone in okay in nine

51:29Reev:I'm gonna have

51:35Reev:fucking hell I'm gonna have Fernandinho in nine alright in eight I've got Eric Cantona in seven could be higher actually to be fair in seven I've got Wes Morgan obviously he won the league with Leicester and he was the captain I don't know why you're laughing why are you laughing I feel like you're gonna be

51:54Lewis Bowden:the one missing out we'll get on to this no Morgan's in my list but he's just like he's putting them over Canton eyes like I don't know well yeah

52:03Reev:carry on Leicester were literally crap mate and he won the league with them

52:07Lewis Bowden:okay and then he got relegated the next year and then he did

52:09Reev:the Salter fan that's leadership that's leadership politics for you hey no Wes Morgan no title I agree I don't agree with that but go on that's why you're wrong 90 % of the time in six I've got Vincent Company six Sixth. I don't know who I've got now. Met him all the week. Jesus. Big lad. Good manager, actually. Big lad. You've got five better than company. Yeah. Now, in fifth, you may not agree with this, Tom. It's not about winning, actually. Not all the time. Oh, Maury. But he did also win the Champions League. Oh, my God.

52:44Theo:It's the Premier League list. You can't have him higher than company, though, surely.

52:48Reev:You can lead by example. And I fucking love the guy. Example to what? In fifth, Steven Gerrard.

52:53Lewis Bowden:How can you have him above company?

52:54Reev:Well I put him in five And I put company in six And scored a crucial goal in that Yeah I may be wrong But it's an opinion So you can't be wrong You just said you weren't wrong I used to take him to Laser Quest Every week When you were in the school playground Tom And when you stroke the ball Without power Did you shout Company Or did you shout Gerrard

53:16Lewis Bowden:Gerrard wasn't playing Company wasn't playing When I was a kid Makes you think

53:19Reev:Yeah it does Five and Gerrard Four I got Tony Adams Three I got John Terry.

53:27Lewis Bowden:Third? Fucking heard it all now. I don't know. I genuinely don't know who you got above him then, though. John Terry? In three? There's no way you've got two above him. You've not included John Terry in your all-time captain list. Please tell me. Oh, three? Yeah, yeah. He's the most winning most captain of all time. He's got six. I'm looking forward to that list. I'll fucking say it because it's the elephant in the room. Well, well. He shagged his fucking left back wide. I'll say it Sorry John It's going to be late Welcome when I meet you Ray Skipper He weren't his captain He won a one He won a leader He weren't He weren't Bridges captain What a fucking shit house No he wasn't You know what Fucking game Fucking playing gigs on He played for City No he didn't Bridge was at City What?

54:13Lewis Bowden:It was at the time That's why he moved Bridge was at City That's why he moved The famous non-handshake Was when they played Against each other Bridge was at City They were both in the England camp together though

54:22Reev:That was awkward

54:23Lewis Bowden:We're not ranking England captains He's not a guy

54:30Theo:She shouldn't shag him Stop shag him I know one of the other two then Who's two then? Two have got Patrick Vieira Fucking hell Above Terry Above JT And above Tony Adams Out of interest

54:44Reev:And number one I got Roy Keane Yeah okay

54:47Theo:Right You think Vieira's a better captain and Adams.

54:51Reev:The thing on his shirt.

54:53Theo:The Vicks.

54:55Reev:Roy Keane's the best. You were like, oh my God, John Terry's the best manager. He's the best captain of all time.

55:01Lewis Bowden:Roy Keane's better. I didn't say that. You did. I said he's the winning most captain of all time, but you don't listen. But does it mean he's the best captain of all time? I didn't say that. Don't worry, I'll save you here with my list. Ted, you might, this just shows where my morals are. Noble, a guy who stuck with his club through thick and thin, No matter how little they won and how Do you know what He didn't even get an England cap He didn't even get an England cap because he stuck it out Looks like he's worked for Royal Mail for 40 years I didn't even know he existed until he retired He was that fucking crabby Proper fucking captain him He stuck it out with his team to the bitter end and they won nothing but he stuck it out And he didn't even get an England cap Yeah Jake and he'll get

55:40Reev:the Athletic Club award next year What's that? Oh it's the one man team award Carragher won it just won it When was this inventive?

55:51Lewis Bowden:I know what you're on about But it's not athletic It's athletic

55:54Reev:Athletic club I didn't see that Yeah but you can't call it Bilbao can you They don't like it

55:58Theo:The fans don't like it I don't know Anyways 9th I've got Wes Morgan 8th Gary Neville Ignored his own brother In the tunnel That's a leader That's a leader How was he captain

56:08Reev:Like 4 years 4 or 5 Nah but the thing We never really shared It with gigs didn't he Nah but he was at the front Of the tunnel When he ignored him And Schmeichel Trying to talk to him No Not talking We need more of that Not today We're all chatting In that fucking tunnel It's two in the heading After Bobby Robson debacle You've won me around me Thank you Yeah but That's what When Neville ignored Schmeichel

56:28Lewis Bowden:He wasn't the club captain He was at the front He was captain that day Keane was injured So for that time It counts towards his captaincy Because he was captain He captained that game Yeah but he wasn't the captain That doesn't matter Did he captain that game Neville captained United For the bit Yeah he did And also what I'd like to say He captained them Whilst he wasn't even the best player That shows He had He was fucking It wasn't like four or five years. It wasn't. It was. It was like four or five years. He shared it with Giggs, didn't he? A lot of captains at football clubs aren't the best player in the club.

56:56I feel like that's not the case these days. I think these days it's often the best player. Can you think of many clubs where the best player is in the captain or who the hierarchy thinks? Because Odegaard's not your best player, but like they probably thought he was. He served as captain for five years, so I'm correct in your role.

57:10Lewis Bowden:He's an underrated player. Common L. I know, but I said he shared it with Giggs, didn't he, for a few years? No, no, you said it was two years. You said, I don't believe you. How many times

57:19Reev:Tom is wrong this episode please Will For me if you're blanking your own flesh and blood that means you're a good captain I've got to agree So is Phil Neville in there? He should be actually No because Phil Neville was trying to have a chat Phil Neville nearly got evidence Champions League as captain nearly We all probably visited the same sites when we googled it last night Not me Seventh am I going to get a shout out of this Steve Bruce No Okay I don't know if no one else had that Yeah Thank you although look I hate him as a manager but like I didn't really watch Steve Bruce play football I don't either but I just know he was yeah that sort of thing sixth Alan Shearer got Cantona on his list there Alan Shearer proper proper captain no you know but I watched Harlots or Cantona you don't see Harlots or Steve Bruce okay whereas Cantona is pretty cool fifth I've got Vieira and also yeah fourth Steven Gerrard yeah be swear on that one again he could have left and won trophies, grind it out to the bitter end for your fucking club.

58:20That's a proper captain. Who? Who've you missed that if Mark Noble? Oh, probably quite a few. Fucking hell. What I respect about captain, yes, we could talk about winning stuff, but that's only, that's keeping us narrowed down to a certain amount of skill. Being a captain isn't just about ability, it's about being the fucking own in your club. No, I'm not leaving. Yes, we're shit, but I'm staying forever. Liverpool weren't shit, but your points are valid. Gerard could have done more. I feel more, I feel for that, you know. Go on then, keep going. Third company. Yeah. Second Terry. First key. No Tony Adams.

58:52And those are the easily best ones. Who have I missed? Tony Adams. You got Vieira as well? Yeah, I was going to put him in, but I genuinely... You got Vieira?

58:58Lewis Bowden:Yeah. I'll go then Reeve and then him. He's ready there, yeah. You just hide that away. I'm excited to hear that. I'll put Gerrard 10th. Oh, yeah. 9th, Morgan. 8th, Cantona. Yeah, he won nothing, Theo. He won absolutely nothing. Oh, it's all about winning, Theo. It's not about that, man. I personally rate winning the Premier League as a captain higher than just sticking at a club. Nah, because you're narrowing it down to only a certain amount of teams and players. No, I'm not. There's loads that could. I've actually missed out players like Fernandinho who did win it. I would actually argue. He's lucky to be in the team.

59:32Jeddah carried that team for you. Do you not think it does what? That's the sign of a good captain. Winning isn't all about...

59:37Reev:Just because you win trophies doesn't mean you're a better captain. I didn't say that.

59:41Lewis Bowden:Do you know what it is, Ray? Do you know those people... Yeah, that's basically what you're saying. It's not basically what I'm saying. that isn't what I'm saying.

59:47Reev:Well, you're not angry, Ken.

59:47Lewis Bowden:Just take what I'm saying. Don't go... No, but you did say that because you said you value trophies more. Just listen to actually what I'm saying.

59:54Reev:But you said you value trophies more and we're saying that that's not everything. Just because you win a trophy doesn't mean you're a better captain.

1:00:01Lewis Bowden:And I've just agreed with you. That's why Gerrard's in the list. Do you think where's Morgan's a better captain than Steven Gerrard? I think the fact he won it with Leicester as captain, yeah, he's more impressive captaincy. Do you not think... How I see this is like, say you're like, you and your last go now in like secondary school, but then she grows up and becomes like a supermodel. But like you stuck it out with her and she's sticking out with you and you're like, she's way fitter than me, but I'm staying with you because you stuck by me. That's what being a captain is like for Gerrard to Liverpool.

1:00:26He could have left and won trophies, but no, they were there at the start. He tried to leave

1:00:29Lewis Bowden:until he got threatened, but yeah. Nah, it's all right. That's his. He did that I'd wanted to leave.

1:00:33Reev:Yeah. But he did carry that club on his back for a long time.

1:00:35Lewis Bowden:I've actually got, I thought more would have Henderson. I've got Henderson 7th. Oh. The crabbiest crab of crab world. That's what I mean. He was crap. You think he's a better captain than Steve Gerrard? 100 % for Liverpool. Steve Gerrard is a better captain than Jordan Henderson. Won a Premier League and a Champions League with him. He's so fickle to judge it just on trophies. Playing the linchpin position for them. Such an linchpin position. He's so underrated, Jordan Henderson. He's not a better captain than Steve Gerrard. Why?

1:01:05Reev:It's Steve Gerrard. That should be the argument. Good argument. You're judging it on trophies. Because that's a key part of being a captain to win. not necessarily no because you're narrowing it down so specifically so what's it about because there's so much context in did Gerrard have the team that Henderson had what were the circumstances what was the competition like that is narrowing it down to things that are out of the captain's control all the captain's control is what our team is and the current moment so to say you didn't win a league but he did Henderson better than Gerrard I'm not saying he's a better player than Gerrard

1:01:33Lewis Bowden:as a captain he's mental because he helped lead them to more

1:01:36Theo:also that's another good example of not necessarily the best player on the team's captain just to go back to Wiles I feel like the Yeah, Henderson, yeah. He's going to fucking go to America. But do you know why he was a good captain? Do you know why he was a good captain? Because fucking Gerrard taught him how. He taught him the ropes. He at Brentford? Yeah, yeah. He felt all right. So he owes everything to the Yorda who was Gerrard. Okay. Sixth, I've got Vidic. Yeah. Ooh, that's a shout I didn't think of.

1:02:00Lewis Bowden:Because he captained them when they were coming towards the end of Ferg. You know, they weren't that good. You know what, really? Obviously, I don't know if Van Persie came in. Before the City Rain kicked in, yeah. Fifth, I've got Tony Adams. Yeah. Fourth, Vieira. third company second Terry one Keane yep

1:02:15Theo:almost same names apart from Henderson for Shearer so I've got 10 I've got Alan Shearer 9 Wes Morgan 8th Vidic for that reason 7th Steve Bruce Bruce 6th Gerrard for the reasons you guys were saying I feel like you don't necessarily need to win the thing to be a good good captain itself 5th Vieira I couldn't put him higher I just think the 4 are better 4th Vincent Company 3 Tony Adams and then the top 2 are unanimous John Terry and Roy Keane I'm excited to hear yours now humble let me tell you now headline news Terry's not in it and he never will be Chris Bruns it's like Eurovision song contest for fucking Premier League captains innit here we go intense day Bruce I'll put aside the fact that he snubbed me for a fucking photo and I'll remember them two goals against my club Sheffield Wednesday in order to win the league for Man United He was a good skipper.

1:03:10Should have got a cap. Nine, Wes Morgan. Hey. We've all agreed on that. Eight, Eric does get into it. Despite the fact he assaulted a fan. I like that about him though. I'd have fucking left him in all of a sudden. Seven, Steven Gerrard. Yeah. We know. We've debated it. Six, Patrick Vieira. Six? Six? I can't believe you got in two, to be fair, which is... Five, Alan Shearer.

1:03:35Theo:Yes. Above Vieira? Yes. But why? Why? club. No, why? He got some man United. Why? No, no, no, yes. He lived out of the dream. I'm right out of interest.

1:03:45Reev:Why? Didn't put Vicks on his fucking chest like a three-year-old.

1:03:48Lewis Bowden:He might have gone in a few games. No, but that's interesting. Why do you think Vieira's ahead of him then? I'm just asking why? Because Shearer went, he showed leadership by going to Newcastle. I'll come back to where I belong. Yeah. You've sold me. I want to put a bit of

1:04:10yeah that's agreed four Vincent company

1:04:14Reev:fucking this is going to get interesting oh here we go wait have you got no Terry who's your top three three Roy Keane three Mike it's later later sorry I'm getting passionate three it's later come out that he's got an attitude problem so I can imagine he was quite destructive but quite successful he deserves it for that header in Chirin alone on. Number two, Tony Adams. Yeah, come on. Number one, on the dot, no problem, Seamus Coleman.

1:04:52Fucking Seamus Coleman. Do you know what? Absolute fucking bargain. Horrendous.

1:04:57Reev:I could hear you out for a top ten, but he's not number one. Seamus Coleman. if fucking if Russians do fucking come I want Seamus Coleman in fucking trench with me shouldn't he say Roy Keane fucking Seamus no but Vieira and I definitely wouldn't want fucking John telling me if it's not all about winning what's wrong with Coleman being first no I agree it's not all about winning loyal top 10 cheap first top 10 yeah

1:05:25Theo:cheap fucking nah then cheap loyal determined that's all I want nice kid cheap might as well get a dog I said that in my nose I put like a fucking dog It's like a bonehead Is he still there?

1:05:41Reev:Did he retire yet? I think he's still there He's had about nine fucking broken legs But he's still hanging on

1:05:49Lewis Bowden:How much did he cost again? It was like 50 grand Still good How old is he? Look at that That's a fucking captain's fucking CV for you Never left What pool on loan? When was that? Yeah, but when did he become captain?

1:06:05Reev:I think he'd come out of Wilma, Captain. Yeah, with the band on. How old is Seamus Coleman? You should say that. 36. He's got plenty more years ahead of him. Fucking hell. Absolute. Happy birthday, Seamus. Oh, happy birthday, Seamus Coleman. We fucking love you, mate. Steve Bratton or Dozier. You're just trying to sign him, aren't you? No, then. Sligo Rovers. 370 appearances. I would have thought he's got more appearances. Yeah, I just got that. You should have Noble for that reason. I would have thought he had more appearance. Yeah, I thought he played way more than that. Listen, it's not pretty, it's not exciting, but that is impressive.

1:06:41He's the greatest Premier League captain of all time. He's the greatest Premier League captain of all time. Big Seamus, man. I expect a fucking DM off him after this. I'll be frank. He actually does watch the show. Does he? Friend of the show. Fucking, here we go. Seamus, I want two tickets for Hill Dickinson, me and Aniky, mate. and if you want to give me the Liverpool derby I'll check them

1:07:02Reev:and speaking of the Liverpool derby our England team the England team has just been announced obviously Tommy T is causing it's causing a ruckus within the camp here certain names have been left out and the Bellingham's aren't great that's for sure so obviously with you in the building Steve we've decided to let you be the England manager and I'm in charge of the FA yeah so that's my my ball boy assistant FA okay how do you feel about having Timmy T in charge of England at the moment go on it don't matter you could have fucking a magician in charge of that side in 40 degree playing on concrete in America we're winning fuck all it's hot it's a positive it's a bit hot it's well worth nah have you been in America it's hot don't get me wrong when we beat Algeria a 3-0, I'll convince myself we're going to win it.

1:08:01He's going to struggle out there. I don't know if he's got what he... Saying that is tournament record.

1:08:09Is this the Great England side though? That's the question.

1:08:12Lewis Bowden:I think we're up there, aren't we? He just needs to figure out who plays where. You don't always need to be the best. The best team doesn't always win. Very true. You've got to find a way to it. Yeah, I think we've definitely got a chance. I've got no problem with TT. how do you feel about having a German manager it's controversial let's be frank

1:08:33Reev:we're in no position to be picking well Sven did a pretty damn well a good job he didn't win anything I was a big Southgate fan I love Southgate I did well he's the one he's the one he'd run out and then Eddie Howe next

1:08:50Lewis Bowden:also Ericsson didn't do a good job he was famously terrible for us I was trying to remember

1:08:55Reev:It's just fun memories of him. What? Shagging women. Oh, fair enough. And just like Ericsson, just like when I was growing up, that was the England team to me. It was just like Ericsson and Beckham. I know, but we really went good. Yeah, but we really failed with the goal. Yeah, I know. I know, but it was just like, it was more frustrating than that. Yeah, you had to hear it. A little bit, at least. Oh, the only two times I've cried at football. Hold on, I forgot second. First one was Euro 96. Yeah. When Southgate missed that penalty, I cried. what about when Rooney got sent off well I fucking did cry because Muggins here went to Germany the day after tickets booked everything's booked Nick everyone at World Cup

1:09:32Lewis Bowden:I was at that game that he did the stamp were you really yeah I went out the day after I had a passion on M1

1:09:39Reev:it's a Storn Islander I can imagine there's like just photos of you at loads of different games throughout the history you're just always Storn Island you still love it you're going to the States I think we all are yeah I'll see it here yeah right you everyone's got their England team for the next game against Wales have they yeah or it's for the World Cup

1:10:04Theo:what would you start

1:10:06Reev:against the first team in the first game of the first World Cup in America

1:10:09Theo:that's what we're answering in the first World Cup

1:10:11Lewis Bowden:actually the second World Cup in America within quality it's first World Cup for England I didn't finish my sentence

1:10:18Reev:I said first World Cup in America USA and Canada combined and Mexico nice America, USA, Canada Love to go to Mexico Fucking tacos and all that It's very good

1:10:29Lewis Bowden:We all are going to be on keepers surely I'll go first then I've gone pick-footing goal I back four of James Gaye Concer And I mean left back's a tough one I've gone Lewis Skelly Or you can go Livramento I don't mind But I'll go Skelly Because he's left-footed Midfield I'll go So, Wharton, Rice, Palmer, and then Saka, Kane, Rashford. It's pretty much the same team as me. Exactly.

1:10:58Theo:I have Stones instead of Conta, though.

1:11:00Lewis Bowden:Yeah. Spend how much James on Stones this year? Yeah, I want to see how he does this season with Stones, to be honest. But I wouldn't be against that at all.

1:11:08Theo:Well, yeah. Pickford, James, Stones, Gehi, Lewis, Skelly, Rice, Wharton, Palmer, Saka, Kane, and currently Rashford. It also, it's so early, like Rashford could drop off

1:11:19Reev:or Grealish could suddenly keep improving, do you know what I mean? There's so many different variants. And even, you know, Wharton could get injured. Do you think Wharton's going to be starting for England in the World Cup? I'm not sure he will start. Would he get trusted at this young age?

1:11:34Lewis Bowden:The thing with Rashford is, even if he's out of form, I think we need pace around Kane. Last 10 minutes, you want Rashford on? Stretch him. I'm just thinking from the start. You think he should start? Kane drops in and we need wide wingers with pace in behind. I don't think Grealish offers you that. Lou, what's your team? Mine's a bit out there. Do you think Gordon does? Liveramento. Gordon's not good. Burn. Liveramento. I've tried to cure England. I'm to cure in England. The problem has always been we're trying to get all the best players in. Playing in black and white. We always try to get the best players in.

1:12:08I'm making a team that works. So, Pickford. We're actually going to go Liveramento right back. Shock. Gahey, Burn, Skelly. No, let me talk to you about this. Down there is... Oh, my fucking Lord. Bit of height, bit of physicality. By the way, this is why we never win the World Cup. How do you pick your remember over Rhys James, though? Yeah. I sort of picked it on number one, like... He picked for Newcastle. Is he going to be injured?

1:12:27Lewis Bowden:It's not Rhys James. Rhys James has been fit for ages.

1:12:30Reev:Incorrect. Wrong again, actually. Tom, wrong alert. He has just actually been... He's actually withdrawn from the England squad with an injury. Yeah, he's injured now, isn't he?

1:12:39Lewis Bowden:He's obviously not injured, is he? They all withdraw from the fucking England squad. He's injured. He's played the weekend.

1:12:44Reev:Yeah, he got an injury from that game. He's probably got a tiny knock. I want youthful... It's a growing list right now. I want youthful, quick fullbacks. The ones who are going to wing back, sorry, who are going to play for us in the near future. I want them out with competition experience. So basically, you're putting Newcastle left back, right back.

1:12:59Theo:Tino's out for a while now. He's got right back. Centre back. Dan Bird playing centre back. Wait, Tino's out for how long though? A few months. Yeah. It'll be alright. No, a few weeks, sorry. He's out for like six to eight weeks. Has he done his next year? No, no, no. It wasn't as bad as Fiat. It's not fucking David by midfield. We got... One of these is going to get me in trouble. We've got Rice. We're going to play Elliot Anderson because this guy when he played for us in last international breaks he linked up the team perfectly. I know he's not the best player but if we try and cram the best players in it's going to be shit.

1:13:29He arguably was the best player for a good game. He linked it together. He's just going to be the glue for everyone else. you're going to shout at me because we agree with you, mate. Norm, you used to... Well, we put Adam Watt in so it's just a preference isn't it it's not like a I'm going Foden I'm playing Foden he's going to kick on then going Saka Kane Rashford Rashford's going to kick on this season he's already smashing it and then we're going to win the fucking World Cup come on now you fucking go on Steve

1:13:58Theo:big foot internet I did that same as Tom oh did you exactly Trent right back Trent fucking Trent Real Madrid he's doing well there why is Salah not playing well I forgot about Trent I don't think Trent's a crazy shout I just forgot about Trent Louis Skelly at left back Just because it sounds cool Who's your goalie? Pickford He's done it in number order By the way This is incredible There's no 45s And fucking 75s Yeah It's 1 to 11 Geyer Gey Don't know how to say it Stones Yeah Bellingham and Rice There's a middle two Deeper Getting deeper Hmm Sacreford and Palmer Oh You're trying to cram everyone in You're trying to crap everyone in.

1:14:40Reev:Oh, it's Southgate. That's exactly what I'm trying to go against. What are you doing? This is a stinker. Steve Southgate. Kane up front, obviously. I might be tempted to switch that about and then Zay can come in. That is so attacking-minded. Wait, wait. That's the team we basically played in the U. That's what I don't want to do. And we got to the final. Let's not shit, man. But who played left wing for you?

1:15:05Lewis Bowden:Nah, it's not. We had Mainu. We had more cover in midfield.

1:15:08Reev:Wait, so you've got Foden left wing? Yeah.

1:15:10Lewis Bowden:You can't have Rice and Bellingham sitting together. But I'm telling you, alternate. Switch your back. Double pivot. I can't be out. What the fuck are these doing? I don't know. He's flexible. He's crazy. None of you lot have put Bellingham in after shouting at me for saying he was overrated. Bellingham's in. He's not overrated, but I just think you have to fit the team. I feel like I've seen... At midfield too, at Bellingham and Rice, he's world class. Nah. Who sits? Ryan. But then he's better in the eight. Rice has been bombing up and down In the eighth You've got to let him loose Like a labrador In the eighth It's fucking central midfield Let's not complicate this You've got fucking It's not anymore though Steve You've got to just adapt mate Have you Things have changed Play your best fucking players And go and put Balling back We've tried that before though We've tried that before We haven't We have Just play this fucking

1:15:56Reev:Let's try and fit You know we need carry In your defence You are right We did get to a final Yeah We did Not playing that team We didn't What about? It's pretty similar.

1:16:08Lewis Bowden:No, it wasn't. Farming didn't start. Foden on the left. We had Mainu in there. We had an extra man in midfield. It's a one-name difference. It's pretty similar. But it's a massive change, having just Royce and Bellingham sitting together.

1:16:19Reev:You still play Foden out of position. You fit in all these people, and it sort of worked. I don't agree with it personally. Have you picked Gordon? No. Fair enough. Don't you worry. He's ready there. No, I don't know. Rashford's going to be cooking this season, man. It'll be fucking base mode. Eze is your one. He's your fucking sprinkle on top when everyone's getting tight. Yeah, yeah. And Grealish. Maybe a bit of Grealish. Big fan of Jag. Big fan. I like the earlier Anderson shot. I think it's brilliant. I'm going to sub on that. And do you know what? I might leave Benningham on the bench. I'm going to sub on Eze.

1:16:49I'm going to bring on Grealish. That means you've got to play right deeper though, but it's up to him. Yeah, yeah. He's gone there. He can sit deeper. No, Anderson's playing holding these though, isn't he?

1:16:57Lewis Bowden:The last games.

1:16:59Reev:How early do you think they'll go out? Quarterfinal.

1:17:04Lewis Bowden:go out to America.

1:17:05Reev:To reclimatise, no? Yeah. I don't think we're going out. We're winning the fucking lot. We're going to go back

1:17:11Theo:and absolutely not. He just went third team fucking win competition. Oh, I reckon quarter finals.

1:17:19Lewis Bowden:Fucking hell. I hope we get drawn in Mexico. We're going to have a great one. What's happened to Bracknell fucking cartel? Fucking Bob the Buckets

1:17:37Theo:oh god Harry Kane in that is Kane one of Steve is Kane one of the all time greatest England players 1000 % it's got to be a name 100 % you're that top scorer ever I've seen him score for Leighton Orient live I've seen him score for Leicester live I've seen him score for Spurs live and England live I might fly out to Munich so I can fucking do a job like

1:18:01Reev:I love the book Yeah, any game.

1:18:04Lewis Bowden:It's a horrible. Where did he rank then for you? Kane? Yeah, for all time. Let's say in your life. The best finisher we've ever had. Okay. The best finisher we've ever had. I think I agree. Yeah. I mean, yeah, definitely. Remember when he took corners? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's got to be the greatest. Never special, innit? That was mental. Worst decision ever from an England gaffer. Yeah.

1:18:28Reev:It's crazy to think that even happened. Have you seen his new TikToks? Kane? You've seen it.

1:18:32Lewis Bowden:Yeah, he needs to relax with that.

1:18:34Reev:He keeps doing rankings of his favourite beer and his favourite food. He's going to the Lewandowski route. He did favourite beer? Mrs has got claws in.

1:18:43Lewis Bowden:Naming examples. Do you think we'll win a World Cup in our lifetime? In your lifetime? No, because they're fucking planning on playing it in desert for the next 100 years. If we can play it in fucking rainy season, maybe. When's the next World Cup after this one? Where is it? Morocco, Spain. It's Saudi Arabia, isn't it? Morocco. Do we even bother putting in Fulham anymore? Venetian Islands will be entering. They're going to put about 200 fucking teams in it. Also, I'm pretty sure that America will have to have it again. North America will have to have it again in 2038 because... It has to be a different continent.

1:19:18Lewis Bowden:And Australia don't... Australia don't want it. I've read Summit where... Or maybe the one after... America are probably going to have it soon again because of... It's a joint one again. Portugal, Morocco, Spain. first games in Uruguay to mark 100 years at World Cup that's cool

1:19:34Reev:but not ideal if you're the team playing in Uruguay fucking hell I can't align we've got Algeria in fucking where is it what's capital Buonaviddo what are you getting Algeria from ask me Morocco, Portugal, Spain will be a laugh a lot of good golf around there you're going to be gutted at first games in South America and second games in fucking Morocco not ideal do you have anything to say to Phil and the rest of the boys of the England team for the upcoming England games wear sunscreen make sure you're hydrated

1:20:05Lewis Bowden:don't need a lot of hydration take compede because it's going to be fucking hell out of here here's a question for you which I can relate to I think who would you rather what would you rather win Sheffield Wednesday win the Premier League in the next five years or whatever or England win a World Cup in the next three Wednesday win Premier League every day a week club of a country I think I agree only because I think in my lifetime Albion I think in my lifetime England will win Summit but obviously Albion won't win the Prem so it's like that's why I choose Albion to win the Prem whereas I'd take Royal Oak winning Blade Super draw to be honest

1:20:42Reev:fill that trophy cabinet up now Steve to end this show we're going to put the national anthem over it a spit oh okay what's the next feature before we move on before we

1:20:58Fucking very professional outfit

1:20:59Reev:Now before we move on The National Anthem's just started playing Wow It's all yours Talk to the boys I want you to remember As a child Jumpers for goalposts Garage doors Sometimes it were a kerb You'd drink in You'd drink out Recreating the magic moments The moments you Laying in bed at night counting stars thinking imagine if our scored winner for england at world cup final well today it can become a fucking reality don't be scared don't be nervous use the nerves as the fuel you need to get you over the line and yeah we can talk this and yeah we can talk that the object of the game is to put the ball in the back of the net the mall more times than them fucking pricks So get out of here Be proud And after you've won World Cup Ring your mother I love you Yeah Go on Go on And wear sunscreen Yeah It's got me

1:22:04Lewis Bowden:Fire in the front Yeah

1:22:06Reev:Fucking I might start I might start

1:22:08Lewis Bowden:Playing footy again

1:22:10Reev:You've got a big Mucky piss up in New York Afterwards I'm going to go Call my mum Oh yeah

1:22:15Theo:He did say Yeah She's crying This is emotional

1:22:19Lewis Bowden:right anyway

1:22:21Theo:after that I don't know we can come back down to earth after that yeah but before we finish Steve we've got a little game prepared called modern day great or modern day hate where we'll decide what parts of modern football are great or what we hate can I just interrupt before we stop I'm often known as a lud I get lumped in with Dyson's Big Sam I'm a lud I'm out of date dinosaur put your phone on you yeah yeah open your FPL app up because I do believe we are in the same league

1:22:50Lewis Bowden:yeah we are yeah yeah yeah come on nice you're top oh how many points he's on 454 points I can play it on grass and I can play it on an app fair enough Royal Oak FC yeah

1:23:09Reev:I'm on 452 what am I on 454 ask how many Reeves on 401 I'm only quite behind him Yeah but you're still behind me You have a notebook You have a notebook You're flexing me behind me Reid you have a notebook Where you write down your own advice Haven't you used triple captain as well No Sorry to hardjack your show I just wanted to get that in there Because I noticed your name And that's pretty impressive That's like top 200k Yeah you've got a good team actually

1:23:37Lewis Bowden:Mint is a bit of a rogue one But You've got to roll dice Yeah I like it mate We were

1:23:42Theo:Modern day great Or modern day eight We've got a T-list, and I'm going to tell you something from modern-day football, and you've got to decide whether it's a modern-day hate or a modern-day great. Okay. Set-piece coaches. Absolute modern-day hate. My height is so much. What's fucking manager's job, then? Yeah. Can I tell you, though, isn't it not hilarious when it doesn't work out and they have to, like, shrug back to the fucking bench? They look like a dickhead. Like your new one. Yeah, like our one doesn't stand on the touchline, at least. I think Jason Tindall would headbutt him if you did that.

1:24:12Lewis Bowden:It's also not a lot. It annoys me, guys. This is my bit of the game. It's like, I just, it annoys me so. It'd be like a goalkeeper coach coming out when you've got a penalty. Some of them are. They do. They do sometimes. That's fucking, okay, that's just as woke. Yeah. If a goalie makes a save, them jumping out to the touchline and being like, yes. Everyone. Well, maybe they're just more proud

1:24:34Reev:of the goalie because they weren't one-on-one with him. They want to be on camera. Okay, then put it in. Great. It's got to be here at that level. 100%. Yeah. It is funny when the free kicker goes shit though and we all know who's to blame now. Because if you didn't credit it's your plan camera. That one from Billy who's got his hair down to his shoulders. He looks like a fucking lion. He'd lick his head if he could.

1:24:57Theo:What's that? The FA Cup? What's the next one more? Scrapping FA Cup replays. Oh hey. Modern day here. That's so shit. That's why I got the smaller teams and we're going in S. That is so much good for the smaller teams they did. Yeah. Heartbreaking. Best part of the competition. The expansion of the World Cup to 48. Modern day. Are we going to like any of these, you think? Probably not. It's just stupid. They're going to make it even bigger, aren't they? On my... Oh, they want 64 in next. It's fucking mental.

1:25:25Reev:Does that make it easier to qualify? Yeah, there's more teams. Basically. No, but is it easier to qualify then? You don't have to explain to your boss at work why you want to watch Solomon Aitlin versus PG. No, genuinely, it will be easy. There's more space. Yeah. You never know though. I don't know if there's more groups. Yeah, but if there's more... But the bigger teams will always get there regardless. But the smaller teams will...

1:25:47Theo:I'm baffled by that question, if I'm honest.

1:25:51Reev:I'm actually baffled by that. I was wondering what you guys thought, but I don't think... I think it is easier to qualify now. It is. I'm just wondering if you guys agree.

1:26:00Lewis Bowden:Yeah, I agree, I agree. What's next? Ballkeepers playing out from the back. I don't mind it.

1:26:07Theo:I have to do it well. Great. I'm not completely against it. I don't mind It's also fun When it fucks up Ah pictures are like that Kicking it off I've no problem If we're shooting Daniel But we'll fucking have a break Yeah we've got the heel Second half lads Eh fuck it No

1:26:25Lewis Bowden:We can't

1:26:26Reev:Everything in it Great It's gotta be great It's fine

1:26:30Lewis Bowden:Do you hate Goalie's playing Having the back As much as them Expanding the world Or getting rid of Ederson Look at Ederson He's calling Genuine question Genuine

1:26:38Reev:I've done all now Don't lie to yourselves Football Were it better in early 90s I don't remember that Early 90s Or is it better It's fucking boring I don't Nah it's not Left Right Left Left Back Back Back They don't all do that though

1:26:55Lewis Bowden:That's not true Get it off It's kind of coming back a bit now though Everyone's getting a bit more direct Because they realise it's shit Yeah Teams are a lot more direct

1:27:09Reev:I think we put it in grey I don't hate Goalies playing out From the back Yeah It actually makes For some really cool goals Yeah it does Yeah Long build up Great What's next

1:27:21Lewis Bowden:Brightly coloured football Yeah great That's good Great Yeah No problem with it It'd be boring If everyone just wore Black boots Yeah No problem Everyone just looks like

1:27:30Reev:A Sabutio player What about centre backs Who wear bright pink Hypervenoms It depends what kind Of centre back you are I'll tell you what

1:27:36Lewis Bowden:Hey, Alex Palmer, who's played for us, wears vapours in goal. Goalie should not be wearing Nike vapours. That makes me feel sick. Just get some fucking coppers on, son. Right, what's next? Small shin pads. Hit. Fucking hit. It's dangerous, isn't it? You look better. You look more stylish.

1:27:55Theo:I don't mind it. I don't mind it. You've seen this still shot of the Everton. Yeah. Three at Everton. They've got nothing on their head. I'm sorry, I hate it. Because these days, you have people rolling around on the floor, type. It's because you've got Tic Tacs in your socks instead of fucking shin pads. By the way Just get rid of the rule then I tell you what it was It was Brighton Because the picture was Of James Milner's shin pads Like that He was the kid who came on Yeah And then all the other Brian players got turned it Get rid of ripping them as well Just fucking I don't mind it I don't mind it I don't mind low socks Because then you can tell If you're skillful or not You know what I mean But like Everything else is just Trying to be fashionable Oh it's there Oh fucking hell

1:28:31Reev:Do I put in that I think I hated me safety first in my opinion do you really hate

1:28:37Lewis Bowden:small shin pads yeah it does it does me I feel like you're trying to turn it into a fashion show you're going to play football it's not it is more comfy unfortunately them fucking shin pads back in there with big fucking discs on heels you can't play in them can you that's what I'm that's it exactly they don't use that anymore though I mean some of them take it a bit too far but I think they're just trying I feel like there's an happy medium with shin pads yeah if players had the choice they wouldn't wear shoe pads but it's even with the sock ones that's why they do it so like rips in your sock is the next one just buy bigger socks mate and you know you know

1:29:11Reev:you know the science behind that is actually wrong is it yeah I could make them like that so they rip the socks because it releases pressure on the calf to not get cramp but yeah to reduce cramp you have to put pressure on so your socks should be on properly so they're actually making it more easier to get cramp it's a fashion trend I hate bringing don't bring fashion in a football you know what it's not even fashion a lot of paint it's superstition that's not it'll be superstition I don't like that at all. Nick Pope had it done the other day. That is fucking horrendous. Oh, my God. Put it in.

1:29:39That's horrendous. He's great. I don't know. Do it once. Play it well. I reckon Nick Pope, right? He's trying to... Nick Pope, he doesn't seem like one of the lads. So I reckon he's seen some of the lads do it in the changing room. And he's like, oh, I'll fit in if I do this. Yeah. And they go in. So you do that. He's a goalkeeper. He's just like doing it wrong and stuff. You passed me scissors. Will you do it for me? You won't know what I do.

1:30:02Lewis Bowden:As soon as you looked at me. I wanted to die. Right, what's his sign? Deadline.

1:30:08Theo:Is that small shimpads and holes in the socks? Yeah, both.

1:30:11Lewis Bowden:I mean, yeah, it's a democracy. I don't agree with shimpads.

1:30:14Theo:Next one, transferred journalists such as David Ornstein and Fabrizio Romero.

1:30:18Lewis Bowden:I don't mind it. Sky Sports teeth. It's part of it. Sky Sports teeth as well, though, no? It's just a different form of release in the news. I thought it is. No. He's not a fan. It's all to pedal fucking Sky's agenda. Yeah, but you're... Get it out of the game. You're using one transfer To be like Oh it's shit now It's really nostalgic When Vengor was like

1:30:37Reev:There might have been more to come In the interview the day before And then we got Fucking Mesut Ozil Breaking news It was insane It can still be done

1:30:47Lewis Bowden:Like teams did it over the summer We did Volta Marder Staying up at half two in the morning So you can find out Whether you've got a Blackpool Fucking winger on Get out of that fucking The only thing is There's stories where It's like damage transfers as well When he's like chatting I don't know I mean I wouldn't feel comfortable putting it in great though. But I don't hate it. Long throws.

1:31:08Theo:Great. Go on. V-A-R. Hate it. I think great. There was more emotion in football before it existed. I hate it. They still get it wrong. They still get it wrong. The worst thing ever happens at game.

1:31:26Lewis Bowden:I hate it. I feel like we went without it now. We go without it. It's fine. Yeah, I know. But you haven't had it. I feel like, I don't know. I'm sort of mixed. I'm really mixed between it. Because I do think it used to work itself out. But if we took it away now, everyone would be like, oh, if we had VAR, that would have been given. You wouldn't be able now to take it away. That's what I mean. But the game's just become over-scrutinised now. No one can accept a decision anymore. Are you happy scoring a goal, and then you'll never be able to experience a goal in the moment ever again? Against Forrest, Bruno's goal was getting checked and we just celebrated loads.

1:32:02I didn't even realise it was getting checked and then all of a sudden... Exactly. He's got to go. The ref's fucking doing this. He's got to go. Can it be great? No, never. Get it gone. Yeah, I've said here.

1:32:12Reev:I don't know why I even said... I mean, you're getting rid of goal line technology. You're getting rid of all of them. Yeah, but goal line technology is black and white, isn't it? It's black and white. What about semi-automatic offside? Keep them.

1:32:20Lewis Bowden:I don't mind them either. They're black and white as well. Black and white decisions, I don't mind. It's when we're giving objective decisions. which look at the one the other week with the Brentford and Man United that's a red card they took four minutes and still got it wrong there's a programme on TV we Howard Webb and Michael Owen examining VAR this is fun oh no who gives a fuck even on Soccer Saturday they give the ref the biggest fucking panel on the whole thing refs on commentary

1:32:46Theo:so keep goal line technology keep semi-automatic off five anything that's objective like it's either yes or no you keep what happens to just

1:32:54Lewis Bowden:letting the ref ref the game and you know what if he gets it wrong It is what it is Sometimes they get things wrong You can just accept Sometimes things don't go your way I've got a solution I've got a solution for VAR Why don't we just get a fucking Ref that stands behind one goal And one there And you can see everything in the box Two more reps I think that solves it With social media It does If it's solely on ref They're going to get a lot of fucking shit In World Cup finals European Cups It's a lot of pressure on ref

1:33:22Reev:Imagine you lose a World Cup final Because the ref hasn't spotted

1:33:25Lewis Bowden:I'd be worried about my safety I mean Yeah but that's only Because fucking football fans Are so

1:33:29Reev:It wouldn't be a ref It's true though Fuck that Imagine England Lost the World Cup final Because the ref didn't see Like an obvious handball I don't think anyone Should be ready Maradona Joe

1:33:41Theo:If we win the World Cup And VAR comes through And gets us Across the line We'll move it We'll come back And do the Move it back I will change my mind Monday night football Monday night Friday night football

1:33:55Reev:Yeah great Great I like it Love it

1:33:59Lewis Bowden:That's not a new thing Friday night football's Always been a thing Hasn't it

1:34:02Reev:MNF I like the specials they do With like when Henry Comes on and all these players I like their chitter chatter It's good In depth and all Kara's really good on it I like him a lot They have a new Brand new show as well It's good Extra time The one last night Yeah Yeah it was good

1:34:15Theo:What's this one more The new Champions League format

1:34:17Lewis Bowden:I like it I actually like it More big games No no no I like it They should all go into an app Like FA Cup and get drawn out. I think you get better games earlier on now. I'm not... It gives a better chance for, say, I should like it because we have a better chance going through, but I don't... I like the groups, but I feel that's nostalgia. It's good for fans as well. It's way better. Home and away.

1:34:40Reev:People need... Stuff will get stale. You have to adapt. Also, people hate change,

1:34:46Lewis Bowden:don't they? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Realistically, it's now a better format. You now get the bigger clashes earlier on. Yeah. I personally think, anyway, but... A better one to put in would have been the away goal rule. That should still be fucking... That was unreal.

1:35:00Reev:But you can also finish, what, 24th in the league, have a shit start to it, and still win the Champions League. Oh, it's a fucking con. Like, I know, let's play for six months and eliminate three fucking teams. No, more than that.

1:35:11Lewis Bowden:Yeah, but you could base that on... When it was the group stage, you could technically be, points-wise, I don't know, the fucking 12th worst team and still go through and then win it. Should be knockout. Yeah, but you got through on your group.

1:35:22Reev:You reckon? Yeah.

1:35:23Theo:What, just a massive track?

1:35:24Reev:Straight knockout, straight away. FA Cup style Just a big round robin Big round robin FA Cup But Champions League Yeah yeah yeah

1:35:32Lewis Bowden:Yeah I mean I like it but Imagine Barcelona Versus Madrid In September And if you don't Yeah Not enough money mate They do not want that To happen No The PSG You've come like 17th in it last year But they were the best team In Europe Yeah It's one at the start Of the season Well yeah I don't mind either I don't mind That's not where you start, I don't mind. That's not where you finish. I'd put it in great, but that's my vote. Yeah, great. I don't mind. Go on, I'm happy to be out of the word.

1:36:01Theo:Alexander Izak. Please go on strike. Hey! Horrendous.

1:36:05Lewis Bowden:Do your fucking job. It is job. Go sign contract. They get paid so much money. You are embarrassing. It's not even about money.

1:36:12Theo:He's got a lot of that looking fucking well out there. No, I know, but even to an added degree. Not any job.

1:36:17Lewis Bowden:I understand when some people go on strike for decent reasons. You not getting your move, your special move, to somewhere where you've signed a contract is not a good enough reason to go strike. You selfish little titty babby.

1:36:29Theo:Yeah.

1:36:30Lewis Bowden:Not very good at football.

1:36:31Theo:And then what is this, draft-ex-cluder in walls? The last one, well. No, this is lying down behind the wall. No, like that. That's what I mean. You've got to do it, man. Because otherwise you've got people like Ronaldinho scoring under the wall. Actually, to be fair, didn't Semenya score a goal against that and they still had one anyway? Have we seen it hit them yet? I don't think so. I don't think they've ever been. But it's not a 10-10. I hate it.

1:36:55Lewis Bowden:I think it takes away the whole jeopardy of if we jump or not. Nah, I think it should be banned. Yeah. You're not allowed to lie down on the pitch unless you've been tackled. Oh, Bond. I kind of enjoy knowing. I brought my substitute, Ausian, for one minute, purely to waste time and stand behind the wall, and he went fucking mental because he was covered in mud. It's like, Like, do you remember, you don't see it anymore, but players used to stand on the post for a free kick. Yeah, Ashley Cole.

1:37:28Reev:Okay, maybe you did. You did it all the time. Yeah, defend your post.

1:37:32Lewis Bowden:No, no, no, from a free kick. Shooting free kick. Oh, no. That's what I mean. I think that's like that. I think Mark Lovett was saying get rid of wall. I don't know about that. I think that's smart what he said. I think that could work from long distance. I think a team tried that a few weeks after the one. They conceded from it. Yeah, but that's shit. Asking for bother. I'll put it in great. I don't mind it. I think you've got to do something. There we go. But it is woke. I've got a fucking idiot.

1:37:54Reev:Yeah, so in hate, we've got Lewis. What have we got in hate, Lou? I can't remember what that is. Set-piece coaches.

1:38:00Lewis Bowden:Set-piece coaches, FA Cup replays, the World Cup expansion, tiny shin pads, cut socks, deadline day being ruined, VAR and players going on strike. And then in great, we have got players lying behind the wall, the new Champions League format, Monday night and Friday night football, long throws coloured boots and passing out from the back goalies well yeah well done we got there very good thanks for going on Steve thank you very much thanks for having me remember Steve's show in Sheffield is the 25th of October is there tickets left? there's a few tickets it raft us go and see him go get involved up the Royal Oak you made it to the end well done you and if you haven't already hit the follow button why not tap it right now for new episodes every week.

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