All Things DNC, Election Updates, and Guest Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham

23:31She's our quarterback, and she's going to run it through with our help. He didn't do that. That's the only, like, ridiculous football trope he didn't do. And I was like, if you're going to go halfway, go all the way, sir. Anyway, there was a talk when Waltz was chosen as VP. A few weeks ago, he should have been Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, who also spoke last night. Has Waltz silenced the doubters? Obviously, one of the things I was getting from a lot of the Harris people was they're very worried about Pennsylvania. That seems to be on their brains, the worry about losing Pennsylvania. But has he silenced doubters now?

24:02I thought when Josh Shapiro spoke, he's not a vice president. He's a leading man. Like, this is not a vice president. Well, I think there were sources who said that that was precisely why he was not a chosen person, that he was not, you know, you remember we heard famously Biden talking about Obama and that he wanted to be the last guy in the room. He didn't want to be sidelined. He wasn't going to be the curtains in the room. He was going to be the person sitting next to you at the desk. I think you have to, if you are on the top of the ticket, decide who is going to be in that position so that when you go to them, they've got your back.

24:35They don't have a knife aiming for your back. Now, I'm not suggesting that he had that, but that's part of the calculus. And I think watching Walls, I think it became clear to people who had never maybe heard of him before or have been introduced the same way that they go, oh, I get it. And that epiphany is probably what you want to have among voters who are already on your camp, whether it entices other voters to go, oh, wait, I like him now. The opposite effect has happened after the polling came out for J.D. Vance and said it was, I don't get it, you know. And so I think that in the epiphany is a little bit different.

25:10I think, though, Shapiro is not done with his political ambition, nor, you know, for him should he be. I think there are a number of people, though, that we saw come across that stage who would find themselves in a primary, who would find themselves in an election in the future. And I think more than them sizing up Tim Walz, they were sizing up one another and trying to figure out which of us is going to be our main contender and which of us will be the person as the second in command. Right. What I thought when I saw both Shapiro and Buttigieg, and I thought Buttigieg did a better job, honestly, because he comes off as much more likable in that regard, was I say Kamala Harris won.

25:50So that's 2028. Say she wins again. I thought these are the two people fighting for 2032, which is interesting. Or a Westmore. Yeah, Westmore. Oh, yeah, Westmore was terrific, too. And who knows? And that's the thing. I mean, look, if the last month is any indication, you have no idea who's going to be on the top of it. Things change like that, I think. They do. Four years ago, we thought he'd be on the top of the ticket or not. Yeah. One last question about that. He has a debate with J.D. Vance. I have this weird idea. Listen, hear me out. J.D. Vance has an issue with men and strong men and the need to have them around.

26:22You know what I mean? Like, because, and he's written about it in his book. So I'm not like going off on a limb here because of his own father and everything else. He's talked about it rather significantly in that book. And you could see that, like the need for a strong male figure in his life. And I thought, how's he going to react to Tim Walz? Right? Who is dad, right? Who's the good dad? He had a bad dad. In the debate, I thought that's going to be an interesting, because here you have someone who's incredibly likable. And I don't think J.D. Mance is stupid, but he's not likable. He's unlikable, actually, in that.

26:54And even, you remember when Barack Obama called Hillary likable enough? He's not even likable enough. How do you see that, the contrast playing out there? Well, the Hollywood fan in me wants to see a good Will Hunting, Robin Williams, Matt Damon, it's not your fault, man. And then he cries and goes, that's my dad. I mean, that would be a moment. Just keep repeating it. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not your fault. That would be amazing. But the realist, the pragmatist in me says, I think you're going to see, even though age was an issue before with Biden and Trump. I think the age difference and the coach to sort of could have been my student difference will show in a way where I don't think walls will come across as condescending or patronizing.

27:44And I think by default, you'll set up almost a teacher-student dynamic. I think Vance has the risk of coming across as petulant. The risk. That is his basic setting. Well, yeah. This is his noise range. Oh, you know, that's he's always like, oh, well, well. I mean, well, imagine that in a classroom and Walsh as the teacher. I think that's what they have to balance against. You have to balance against Walsh wanting to be instructive and not a teacher and Vance being a student of history and politics and not coming across as naive. Right. And that's going to be the tension. And frankly, normally you wouldn't be tuning into these vice presidential debates as much as you would be.

28:25I am dying to see this play out. I really can't wait. I'm dying to see some of the snark because, you know, Waltz has been kind of the attack dog already. And he didn't just focus on Trump. He focused on J.D. Vance, which normally says to me, you're scared of the person you want to go at him. I don't get that vibe. No. I really don't. Yeah. But I really want the Robin Williams, Matt Damon. Okay. All right. Okay. We'll hope for it. Let's hope for it. Fingers crossed. Because everything's about our entertainment, not the future of the country. Are you not entertained? Okay. Speaking of entertaining, there's no question the Dems are having a lot of fun at the convention this week.

28:54The vibes are great. It's been described as the Dems' personal eras tour. The fun was perhaps most prominent on Tuesday night as the traditional roll call became one big party and a DJ spinning tunes tied to each state. Much is being made about the contrast with the RNC roll call as well. It's not even a contrast. Let's listen to some of the differences between the two conventions. This back and forth clip starting with the RNC. Delegates and alternates, let us commence with the roll with a call of the roll of the states. Delegates, are you ready? Let me hear you. Iowa, 40 delegates.

29:38Georgia, 59 delegates. CHC, turn out for what?

29:53Okay, we didn't make this up. Jesus Christ. That was Lil Jon in the surprise performance of the DNC there. What did you think of the musical role? I mean, we are being fair here. That's what it was. I mean. People are Googling right now going, are they kidding? First of all, the phrase from the window to the walls wrote itself in a day. Right, it did. It was clearly there was enthusiasm. Clearly they were trying to. But it just showed the contrast, I think, of how they were trying to make the tent of the party that much bigger. But it also says to you that they are this would not have been the roll call a month ago.

30:29Yeah. Do we think Little John and others were coming out at the DNC a month ago? I don't think they were. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know his schedule. I'm not I don't know anything about it. But the idea that it's happening right now tells you that this was renewed excitement in charge. I think there's going to be moments, though, when Democrats are going to continually have to not count their chickens before they hatch. And enthusiasm inside of a convention, they've got to bring that same fire and energy. It's got to be turned down for, what, 75 days from now as well. Is there one part you didn't like that you thought, oh, no, no, no, no, no?

31:06You know, I think that there were so many speeches. There is a risk of oversaturation. I can't identify the person who I would say we could have not had on, but the sheer volume of content. Too much content. Yeah, I wonder. I wondered in a world where we've got people who oftentimes have an attention span of soundbite alone, whether really key moments were lost by virtue of the fact that there was just so much. And there was a lot of good content. I also think that sometimes, I mean, with the Republican convention, they had very set themes each day and each day seemed to go on that. This convention has been more fluid and that the theme is joy, right?

31:51The theme is new and rejuvenation and something that's more enthusiastic. And I wonder if a thematic approach would have been helpful or cumbersome. But I think those are the only two things I thought, huh, how is this going to go? But, you know, you can't quibble with Stevie Wonder performing. All right. Last thing. Someone who's not feeling the good vibes this week. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reported to be ending his independent presidential campaign endorsing former President Donald Trump. He's been wandering around trying to get a deal with someone. He announced on Wednesday he'll be giving a speech at the end of the week to the nation on his path forward.

32:23No, the nation is caring less and less about him. Kennedy's running maid and campaign piggyback. Nicole Shanahan said earlier this week the ticket was considering ending the campaign and endorsing Trump before she had been anti-Trump just months earlier. But go ahead, Nicole, whatever. She's a terrible person. So that's not a surprise. That was a pivot I didn't expect. Well, she's I'm sorry. I know a lot about her. Trump told CNN on Tuesday that he would be open to RFK Jr. playing a role in his administration if Kennedy were to drop out and endorse him. This is like trading an endorsement for a position seems somewhat strange.

32:57Are you surprised by any of this? And do you think there'll be an impact on the election? the total share of voters supporting Kennedy and other third party candidates has declined, especially for Kennedy. He was in the 13s. I know he's at five and I think he's going that direction down. So do you think it matters at all? I think it matters to streamline the ticket so that voters have the binary choice. Well, there's still Jill Stein. You know that she's still around. So is Cornell. Well, yeah, I mean, I think, but I think people, yes, realistically, I think people, we welcome all into the democratic fold.

33:30And yet I think people conceptually only ever see two, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing to let people debate amongst themselves. But what I think is exhausting are epiphanies and wanting people to believe that 180 is a feather in the cap and a sign of maturity as opposed to what it normally is, which is hypocrisy. The idea of turning around all of a sudden and having lambasted and having vilified and condemned and criticized and then all of a sudden saying, but you know what? We're good now. I think for voters feels exhausting. It makes them think to themselves, I can't trust any, any of you people for that very reason.

34:11When you had Nikki Haley, for example, come on the stage, the RNC, when you had Senator J.D. Vance be the running mate. when you have, if, you know, RFK Jr. decides to do that for either endorsement. Similarly. So it's a bunch of liars. It's a bunch of opportunists, really. Yeah. It makes people lean out. And I think it's counterproductive to having everyone be a part of it. Now, people have every right to campaign as hard as they can and then decide who they want to throw their numbers and weight behind. But the weight would have been more impactful when it was weighty. Yes. Yes. Well, he wouldn't do it because he's an arrogant prick.

34:47But anyway, you don't have to say that. Anyway, I think it's I think it doesn't have any impact. I think he's he's done. I stick a fork in him kind of thing. Last thing is Scott and I talked to Senator Amy Klobuchar about the state of the election so far. Here's what she had to say. What are you most worried about? It's even. She's so but she is surging ahead in a number of these swing states. I mean, the polls are changing quickly. And when I look at what she's done in 30 days, you know, anyone would look at that trajectory and think it's a positive one. You always get worried about Donald Trump.

35:15You know, he makes things up. You've got to be ready. I'll be chairing the inauguration no matter who wins, as well as in charge of making sure the electoral ballots are being counted. So what do you think I'm worried about? Right. We've got to make sure that whole thing moves in a much better way than it did on January 6th. Let me ask you this question. What would you do if you were Donald Trump right now? She's saying that you always get worried about Donald Trump and you noted that earlier. If I were him, I'd be figuring out a way to exploit every Achilles heel on the areas that I have spent eight years or more fear mongering or trying to get people to believe are directly attributable to the Democratic Party.

35:56I would spend very little time on the personal attacks. I would spend time trying to tie Harris to the Biden administration in a way that was, in our voters' mind, disparaging and deflate the arguments that suggest that I am a narcissist. But I also think that all the advice in the world will not encourage somebody who believes that he is his own best champion, advocate and publicist. And that is going to be the challenge of the campaign from here until November. but she also mentioned January 6th. And I think that by virtue of it being on her mind and so many others' minds, that he has to try to take the wind out of the sails, that he has some intention of a repeat of what happened that day.

36:50But he keeps saying he does. It's just - He's saying it, you know, but that's, again, that's the exhaustion of the 180. Right. The exhaustion of the duplicitous and lies. He definitely has to go back to funny himself That's what was appealing about him. And now he's dark. I think Pete Jojo's had it right. And I don't think he's capable of it, but perhaps he is. Well, we'll see. The debate's coming up. And will going toe-to-toe with a woman and woman of color, will that bring a side of him that we either we've seen before or have yet to see? No, he can't. He can't do it. Just the side of her is.

37:24And also he thinks she's attractive. You can tell that. And everything is about looks with him. So it's a problem. Well, he thinks he's more beautiful. Didn't you hear him say that? No, he knows he's not. His problem is he's attracted to her. I hate to say that. And I don't want to. Everything is looks for this man. A lot of it is visual looks. Anyway, Scott and I had some great conversations with Senator Mark Kelly and Senator Michael Bennett. You can see all of our conversations with them as well as Amy Klobuchar, Max Frost, and Mark Kelly on our YouTube channel, Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway.

37:54Let's go to our friend of Pivot.

38:01Michelle Lujan Grisham is the Democratic Governor of New Mexico. Governor, welcome. Thank you, Carrie. Nice to be here. Nice to see you, Laura. Nice to see you. So all three of us were at the DNC this week. I am back home now. You're all still there marching around the United Center. But you were the only one who were on the podium among us. We were not on the podium. And you gave a fiery speech at the convention on Tuesday night. Can you get that out there that it was a fiery speech? That's not the feedback I'm getting. I'm going to count on you two to fix that. What did they say it was? I'm just teasing.

38:32No, it was fire. It was fire. I would say fire is a good thing. Let me start by asking, what do Kamala Harris and the Democrats need to do to keep the momentum after the convention? And I should mention your connection that Vice President Harris runs pretty deep. She officiated your wedding in 2022. Congratulations. Thank you. What do you need to do? You're in a bubble right now. You're all in a bubble right now. And it's a good bubble. It's a happy bubble. And it feels exciting and fast moving. But what do they need to do next? Keep this momentum. I mean, it's very easy, to your point, in this bubble, like we're on a high.

39:03It's a sugar high. What happens after a sugar high? A crash. And so we can't do that. I think this enthusiasm really focused on a future, you better make that relevant to a voter. So you have to talk to them about what it's going to mean, right, in their monthly bills, what it means for the future of their children. I actually think Governor Walz did a really great job yesterday. I've known him for a long time. we served in Congress, that making it relatable. I now understand what all of these, and I'm a policy wonk. You know, that's not always a strength of mine, to be able to shift to making it real to everyday American families.

39:43And I'm going to take these messages and make sure that it's meaningful and real to everyday New Mexico families, who in many ways, right, we've increased the minimum wage, We've seen incredible salary growth. We've seen incredible job growth. And yet, if we have free child care, free to anyone at 400 % of poverty, we're going to be the first state to make it universal for everyone. But if you're still feeling like it's not enough and you don't know what tomorrow is and you're feeling like you can't protect your family, then we got a problem on Election Day. And frankly, we got three weeks before early voting.

40:21So take it to your families. Get on the phone, get on the doors, take these messages home right now. You know, interestingly enough, you've got a governor, as you know, as the running mate. There is something very significant, knowing that you governors and, of course, mayors and everyone at the state level are on the front lines looking to the chaos on Capitol Hill and saying, what are you going to do to make our lives and our work easier and also uplift? What's the significance that you're seeing now with the enthusiasm around Governor Walz as an indication of how the governors and individual states will be able to be supported if they're successful?

40:57Well, you said it. Nobody can relate to the dysfunction in D.C. That just creates anger and a lack of credibility for anybody who's elected. And Governor Walz is able to say, here's my track record. I got these things done. I know you. I get it. We're going to fix it. So when I tell you I'm going to bring that can-do attitude to now Washington, D.C., and we're a ticket that's going to make it real for you, he can point directly to his successes. That's the difference here. Governors and mayors, as you said, are where the rubber meets the road. We are, in fact, getting it done. So one of the big Republican talking points now seems to be hammering on Kamala Harris on immigration.

41:40They've called her a failed border czar, despite the fact that she was never the border czar. She's getting criticized for some Joe Biden's immigration policies, but she's attached to Joe Biden. So that's somewhat fair. As governor of a border state, and she was a senator from a border state, do you think immigration will be a liability in the long run or have other things precluded it? Because in your DNC speech, you focused on health care, including women's reproductive freedom. Is that the issue of the election? Reproductive justice is something everyone can relate to. We're clear. And now we've got brand new harrowing data that shows that now we've got higher infant mortality because women don't get access anywhere that they need.

42:18I've got billboards in Texas recruiting doctors. And we don't have the right access points anywhere. And we know that reproductive health services and clinics serve as a primary care environment for women of childbearing age and beyond. So this is an issue that's relevant for everyone and will be important in the election. But look, immigration and crime and frankly, even taxes. These are the sort of bread and butter issues that Republicans have always been able to sort of take from Democrats, even though their record on these issues are deplorable. And often they create the very barriers that prevent us from doing stuff.

42:58So you heard last night, I'm going to get to immigration, I promise, that Governor Walz said, look, I've cut taxes. I've had remarkable tax cuts all at the middle class. Crime is down in America. We're doing really robust interventions in New Mexico. We're not quite there yet, given our, we've just got a decade where we didn't invest in policing, fair, just community policing. We're changing that. But they've been able to own that. So yes, I think there are always issues that Democrats That's got to be mindful about. And particularly since Trump has really worked to lie per usual, but really create this fear based and fear mongering and more racist hate and rhetoric in America.

43:41But he's not just responsible for killing a bipartisan border deal in Congress this time. Yeah, no, he did it. He did it before that. I was the Congressional Hispanic Caucus chair. And I think Americans have forgotten he stripped the executive order protections for DREAMers. And then said, look, Congress has a responsibility to do this. That was his out. And again, he was manipulative and he was trying to work on getting Republicans not to do it. We got a bipartisan deal. We were about ready to get it passed in on the House. Senator McCain, we had it, in my view, greased in the Senate, ready to go.

44:22No surprise to you all that there was no good relationship between he and Senator McCain. And he destroyed that, including I literally had to sneak into the White House. He had an immigration meeting. I'm leading immigration. I rolled up in a blanket like a burrito and went right through security and showed up at that damn meeting because I was disinvited. He was never going to do immigration reform. He's not interested in the fixes. If we don't have enough personnel, you can't do the work. And yes, nefarious activity can and will continue to occur. And then people who are seeking fair asylum, whether it's through the ports of entry, and we don't want them outside of a port of entry, we can't fix it.

45:09And then we can't do the investments on visas and immigration reform here. I met a three-year-old, a three-year-old. I saw it when I was in Congress, who was by himself, doesn't speak English, before an immigration judge having to make, as a little boy, his case about whether he can seek asylum status in America. That's disgusting. How can we let that happen here? Because there's no people, there's no social workers, there's no immigration staff, there are no lawyers, no judges. You know how we can let it happen? We've had a history since the beginning of making immigrants. It's disgusting. I mean, you know, Italians, Irish.

45:41They're going to have to fight back on this issue. And I'm going to help them fight back. Talking about how the Italians, I was offended for my grandfather, like who came over on a boat when he was saying, you know, criminal elements of the Italians. I was like, hi, hello, that's me. Yeah, it's disgusting. But yes, so liability I disagree with. But don't ignore that these are issues that we have long been sort of saddled with as not being effective on. And it's just a lie. That doesn't mean the border is fixed. And I think that they need more validators, governors like me, governors like Katie Hobbs, governors like Gavin Newsom, to really talk about we want these fixes.

46:18We're not standing in America's way. They are. Well, Governor, what you articulate really is a tale as old as time as a tactic of otherism, of trying to fear monger and suggest that there is some one definition of what it means to be American. And then the fear of either the browning of America or the fear of somebody taking and usurping what entitled people feel belongs to them. But that's part of the conversation being conflated by immigration, being conflated about crime and about jobs in this country. It strikes me, of course, as somebody like yourself, a woman in power, a woman of color in power, there is something unique about the assaults and attacks that will be directed to you.

47:00And of course, by virtue of her identity as well, Vice President Kamala Harris, it is enticing to hit back every time. It is maybe political suicide to do so as well. What would you advise in terms of the next 70-something days of how to grapple with the otherism directed at the candidate for office? I think she's trying to say, how black should she turn?

47:26You are officially my translator. Go ahead and answer it, Governor. I want to be on the other side of this. I want to be the journalist, and then I want to interview the elected person. Yeah, look, I do think, I hope I'm not making oversimplifying. I do think we need to be more positive. Now, you know, my family is different. Every family in America is different. My family's been here for hundreds of years, since the late 1400s. I'm a seventh generation, doctorate-decreed, educated individual. That's not the story of every Hispanic Latino family by any stretch of the imagination. And this sort of this otherism is to create sort of this lack of diversity in all of our populations, that we all have our own stories.

48:14I think they need to talk about the future of economic security and careers. The fastest growing young group in America are Latinos and Latinas. These are the individuals who are going to shape the future of this country economically, strategically, intellectually with the stuff that you do and talking about tech and cybersecurity. You know where that's going to come from? It's going to come from this population. Don't let them stick you into this it's terrible out there and disgusting, horrible labels. Everyone who's Hispanic is a rapist and a criminal. It is disgusting. And quite frankly, we won't be able to feed the world unless we're really talking about fair, ethical, just labor that we are recruiting and supporting and creating a pathway to success in this country.

49:09and got to do it. Well, you know, Maura Healy is the governor of Massachusetts and she's able to do that because she's a lesbian in case you're interested. Is that why she can do it? Is that why I'm not any good at it? We're never on the defensive. I thought it was because she was a basketball player. That makes sense. Hurry here, folks. It's all making sense to me now. The key to success. Be a lesbian or think like one. But you participated in a very special event on Wednesday. a forum with seven other Democratic female governors. You're all badasses in different ways in the country. We're chingonas.

49:44Yes, moderated by Julia Louise Dreyfus, who I just interviewed, who is also a badass. She had a great introduction. Let's listen to it. We are very honored to have eight highly intelligent, highly capable women leaders for the 21st century with us, or what J.D. Vance might call a coven of semi-menstruating witches. How did that come off? How was it? What was that like? Honestly, that is our lives, right? We get treated in that way. I mean, J.D. Vance, unfortunately, is not the first to be sexist and misogynistic, and he won't be the last. But you know what I love about these Chingona, badass women governors is we're making it harder and harder for the J.D.

50:34Vance's and Trump's of the world to take that issue on in that way. And we're going to make it nearly impossible when we get Vice President Harris elected in November. What were the themes of the coven? What happened with the coven? Are you taking notes right now, Karen? You're trying to create a secondary journalist coven? Oh, I already have one. I don't know if you know this, but I have a militia etheridge. But go ahead. Get it? Get it? Fair. Oh, I get it. We got it. I'll come to your window anytime, Kara. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. She did a really, Julia did a great job playing on all of our strengths and making it be a little lighthearted.

51:18She weaved in, well, we're getting shit done. You know, she really got the big grudge environment here. We're focused on making the right things happen in our states. But I need to be a little bit more careful in my communications director. So for people listening in is right here with me and he's going to be shaking his head. I have a wicked sense of humor and I use humor to create both opportunities for meaningful collaboration to dial down the temperature when it gets too hot in a man's world and be too competitive, create collaboration. But I like, you know, being a little edgy in that environment.

51:57So she really wanted me to talk about that. So it was all over the map. It was fun. I think it was interesting for people. And I think it showcased that we have a race to the top as governors. We're focusing on the things that each of us do well and replicating them in meaningful, unique ways in our state. We actually like each other. We have real respect for each other. And we have a little fun. In fact, speaking of that, Governor Maura Healy, she punked me good during the convention. So She should be on notice. What did she do? She messed with my speech. So during my rehearsal, you know, they're pushing you through.

52:34And, you know, I might have been a little crispy during the rehearsal. Crispy. And my speech is all messed up. And they want me to talk. I'm talking about being en fuego and spicy and hot and get fired up. And I'm now talking about bell peppers and shishito peppers. And I'm losing my mind. Who wrote this? That damn Maura Healy did that. And how she got those guys who were like on this tight schedule to punk me like that is pretty damn good. Be on notice, Maura Healey. Be on notice. Yeah, there's a lot happening. And one of the things is this is more an underdog, Governor. We keep hearing at the convention and Democrats trying to, at the one hand, capitalize the momentum, but know that there's work to be done to get that 270 after this convention is over.

53:20Do you feel like the Democrats are still in an underdog position? Or do you think that there is more than a light at the end of the tunnel, that there is a 270 at the end of the tunnel? Yeah, it's both. Laura, look, we know that this is going to be a close election. We have seen already a couple different times that it's too close for comfort, particularly when we look at those electoral votes. Any good candidate treats every race like you're the underdog. And if you don't, you're not taking your race seriously. The key here is we've moved from being a little defeatist and maybe apathetic, even though we were always on the right side of this election.

54:01Joe Biden and the vice president, Kamala Harris, created this in my state. And I want to talk about it all across America. Look, I've got the best cradle to career investments. You want to move New Mexico out of poverty? I'm doing that because I got the kind of federal leadership with the opportunities and flexibility, free child care, constitutional right to child care, free early childhood education, a moonshot in K-12, new literacy programs, free college, two-year, four-year apprenticeships, trades, all of it, all of it. We're now paying child care and early childhood workers in the same track.

54:38They're not quite there, but we will get there as we do K-12 educators. And we lifted all of their salaries. You know how that happens? It happens because they did that work. And even so, there was apathy about could we win, will we win? And when you let apathy and despair get into an election, you can't motivate your base to turn out. Now we at least we have an opportunity. So the key is take this excitement, take this, you know, history, historic history, and translate it immediately into the work on the ground all across the country. And that's exactly what I'm dedicated to do. I will not wake up.

55:17In fact, forget election day. Early voting all across the country starts in just weeks. You better be on the phone in every spare moment right now during this convention. So I'm doing that. Can I ask one final question? One of the things that's been you're talking about not being despair or apathetic. This has been a very funny, funny convention and funny and party and just like feel good kind of thing. How do you think that's an effective way to do it rather than the more, the darker approach that Biden actually had, this idea of democracy on the line? I despise, and I wish everyone despised it as much as me.

55:54And I'd also like to tell you that I haven't been a bit of a hypocrite in order to win my election, that negative campaigning works, right? And I don't know of a candidate who's had the luxury, particularly early in their elected careers, not to have to do that. You know, somebody does a negative ad against you, you do another one. So yes, negativity, darkness, anger, it does work, it moves the needle. But here's what's different about what we're doing that I see, and particularly in Governor Walt's remarks, he said directly, right, looking right at America, I hear you, I see you. I know that working families don't have what they need to feel secure.

56:34You know, and frankly, I bet he didn't say it in this way, but I'm a little angry about that my own self as a working class American. You know, we're not done until we're done, but we have a future that we can build together. So own it, own that it isn't quite right. And that was part of the problem, I think, in the overall democratic messaging. And I'm guilty of that too in my reelect in 22. And I've built the best economy ever by any stretch or comparison in New Mexico. And yet I had a close race because people weren't feeling it in every corner of the stake. That's also a fact. And in that moment, I'm talking about all the numbers and all the things, but I'm not relating.

57:18And I immediately pivoted. You gotta be able to relate to people where they are. They're hurting. And we're doing that finally. Hear them, see them, relate, tell them you're there for them. now tell them what their future looks like. That's the secret recipe, I believe, for success. And that seems to me to be alive and well in this convention. All right, Governor Grisham, thank you so much. Go enjoy yourself. I'll text you about what you should do tomorrow, Haley. Don't worry. Listen, I think we should all, I mean, I don't want her to listen to this, so let's not give her a leg up here. I mean, I've got to win this thing.

57:51But, yeah, damn, so call me. Don't worry. We'll get it. All right. I'll help you get her. Don't tell me I'm a former lawyer, guys. What are you doing? I don't hear anything. I don't hear anything here. Only light pain. What are you talking about? Only light pain. Okay, that's fine. It's not going to be illegal. It's not going to be. My goodness. Okay, go ahead. Carry on, carry on, carry on. All right. I'll record it. It's vaguely, vaguely illegal adjacent. Anyway, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Bye-bye. All right, Laura, one more quick break. We'll be back for Predictions.

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59:08Okay, Laura, let's hear a prediction. What's your prediction? My prediction is that Beyonce will somehow find herself on the campaign trail. I don't know. I don't know in what way. I know her song is there, but there's got to be something. Will she perform Freedom Live? Will she walk by? Will she come on like a horse and part of the Cowboy Carter theme? Something's going to happen. Wouldn't that be an incredible moment? That's my prediction. I mean, that was a whole theme of her albums. I'm here for it. And Tim Walsall will be putting on the saddle. Let me help you. Let me help you. young lady.

59:43Now that would be the ultimate folksiness. Who knows? Who knows? But I predict that there will be more celebrity star power behind the politics of late all the way through the election. I think more people are going to be leaning in where they traditionally have leaned out these past several years. And I'll be curious to see how much that rubs Trump the wrong way. The best moment for me of watching you doing this, you're doing a great job, was the guy from Black-ish, Anthony Anderson, saying he was going to be your baby daddy. And your face, you were making a call out to your kids because they like him as an actor.

1:00:22And your face, how was that moment for you? Because you couldn't hide it. You're like, what? That was hysterical. First of all, I had just met him for the first time. He and I hit it off wildly. He was so funny. He was so witty. He was a natural, there's no writers for him, right? He is a natural comic. And I was telling him about how my kids are big fans. And he even did a video message for my kids later where he was like, hey, hey, Sydney and Adrian, I'm your new daddy. And I thought, okay, let's go with the kids. I was like, dear, my husband said, listen, mommy's not coming home right now. I'll see you later.

1:00:59I mean, it was just fine. And my kids, they started screaming when they saw it. I gotta tell you, they're old enough and young enough not to understand what it meant when he said, I'm your new daddy. Oh, my God. You. But your face said it all. And for a minute, it was like, huh, interesting. Sorry, honey. I mean, you know, there are stranger questions that consider them. Well, you did a great job. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business, tech, or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT. Before we go, I want to thank a few people who helped us out at the Democratic National Convention.

1:01:37Tammy Haddad, Mariel Saez, Jack Sullivan, Dylan Rose Gearlings, Becky Schatz, Melissa Giamo, Osmond Noor, Courtney Flander, Lizzie Landau, Jane Meyer, and of course, the United States Secret Service, who let Scott in. Laura, that's the show. You are one of my favorite people. I had so much fun. Thank you for having me. I'm going to kill Scott. Speaking of which, you're my new baby daddy. I'm getting rid of Scott. Why are you told us to come into your window? I think there's a whole moment happening. I don't know. Oh, my God. This is a moment. People will be talking. We'll be back on Tuesday with more Pivot, another great guest co-host.

1:02:14I will read us out. Today's show was produced by Lara Naiman, who was on the ground at the DNC. Zoe Marcus, Taylor Griffin, and Travis Larchuk. Ernie Enderdot engineered this episode. Also, thanks to Drew Burrows, who was also with us and helped us a great deal at the DNC. Nishat Kura is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com slash pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business.

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