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30:42Scott, we're back. And I put on my Santa hat with a big ball. Happy Christmas, Scott. Is that what they say? Happy holidays, Kara. Happy holidays. Can we say Christmas again? Of course. Anyway, happy Hanukkah, happy everything. Have you seen these videos of, I don't know, it makes me so happy and it's so wrong. Have you seen these videos of grown men dressing up as Grinch and terrorizing little children? Oh, no. No, there was one at the Christmas fair. the other day where we used to live. And kids love the Grinch. Oh, no. Were these trying to terrorize kids? This is videos of three-year-olds being traumatized for life by a Grinch character breaking into the house and stealing gifts and children.

31:24And it is so wonderful and it's so wrong. Oh, no. So I was at a bar and a prostitute walked in and ordered a glass of wine. And the bartender said, what did you ask Santa for? And she said,$30, just like everyone else. else. That's not even funny. Never mind. You got to up your Christmas whore jokes. Anyway, as I said, Oracle's having his own. He's such an asshole. Santa knows where the naughty girls are and he doesn't tell anyone else. That's true. Look at Code Red, Walmart. Code Red. The company's stock fell 14 % last week. Ouch. Down 45 % from a September high, which was far too high anyway, after the latest earnings showed soaring capex and rising debt tied to its massive AI buildout.

32:08Make it all kinds of bets. There was also a report claiming several Oracle data centers tied to its$300 billion open aid contract have been delayed. Ugh, really? Oracle denies the delays, said it remains confident its ability to meet its obligations in future expansion plans. Ooh, Oracle went a little far on this, I thought. Didn't you? I don't know. It's also related. There's a paramount factor in this. The hostile bid for Warner Brothers Discovery is backed in part by billions from Oracle co-founder Larry Ellis. But he isn't guaranteeing it the way Elon had to guarantee his purchase of Twitter.

32:42Warner Brothers board is concerned that he didn't do this and plans to contribute equity through a trust. It's kind of in a Geechee way. If he's that rich, he should just put up the money. Paramount is calling concerns about its financing absurd. I mean, obviously, he's rich. That's true. But if he's that rich, he should personally guarantee it. If you're Warner Brothers, are you right to be concerned about Big Daddy not giving his personal guarantee? I don't know, Scott. Both of these things. I mean, obviously, the stock is down rather significantly, so he's not quite as rich, but he's still massively wealthy.

33:11Yeah, I think if it just comes down to money, and it probably will, I think that Ellison probably—I mean, there's a bunch of play here. One, so first off, the lesson here, and I would tell this to anybody listening, and I was told this at a very young age and I've lived up to this, and never sign a personal guarantee. Just never. You don't know what will happen. And it's a way how smart people, it's a way, it's how smart rich people go broke. You don't know, you don't know what can happen. Never, I have never done this. And I would suggest anyone listening to this podcast, never sign a personal guarantee.

33:50All right. And just so people know, Elon did this in the Twitter fight, but go ahead. I think it's just let Elon do it. Ellison has more money personally than anyone involved because he's been selling stock and he personally is super wealthy, not only in stock but in cash. But also Netflix is a bit constrained too because Netflix is debt to EBITDA ratio. They have cash flow they manage against that$18 billion a year. So I think if it's pure, if these guys go really crazy, let me go this way, Ellison can go crazier. And not only that, Ellison's about to die. He's an old man. So does he really care?

34:28That's not according to him. He has a longevity institute. He's going to live forever. Yeah, but Ted Sarandos is around for another 40 years. Yeah. Larry Ellison is not. Yeah. And so quite frankly, I think Larry Ellison is more likely to do what a lot of old men do, and that is make an irrational move. Yeah, interesting. That's interesting. But I'm saying the Warner board is using it as a concern. What do you think? You've been in boardrooms. They want, of course, when you have a scarce asset, part of the negotiation is the certainty of close and the certainty of financing. So whenever I bought a house, what's really fun to do is show up with an all-cash offer, right?

35:05But most people can't do that. Most people have put in contingencies around finding a mortgage. And sometimes, like a really weak offer, someone says, I have contingencies. not only do I need to find financing, I need to sell the house I'm in now to buy this house. So if he was willing to show up and say, I'm the third wealthiest man in the world and I'm signing a personal guarantee, then disco, right? So they're going to want you to do as much as possible. But yeah, I don't, just as a general rule, you never sign a personal guarantee. But is that a good excuse for the Warner Brothers board to say, why hasn't he?

35:38Well, Ted Sarandos isn't signing a personal guarantee. No, I get it. But the Ellisons are making a big deal of their Trump affiliations, how rich they are. But you know what I mean? Like everybody has their own little move, essentially. But Ted Sarandos is not buying it. Netflix is, right? And they've made an offer with stock and cash that is guaranteed, presumably. You know what? I feel like every minute I'm like, Paramount's going to get it. Netflix is going to get it. Paramount's going to get it. I know. That's what I feel. Yeah, yeah. I'm having a tough time handicapping this one. And... I think Paramount has to get it.

36:09Netflix does not have to. It's not a... It's a... It's not even... It's an important thing for it to get, but it's not a must-have. Yeah, but you know what it got me thinking? What? Cara, I actually think in the next 90 days, if not, maybe not 90, I always got the time wrong, I think Disney's going to be put in play. Oh, yeah, that's what we talked about. And the likely buyer there will be Apple. I mean, keep in mind, whoever bulks up here, whether it's Paramount bulking up or Netflix bulking up, where does that leave Disney? where does that leave Apple? Where does that leave YouTube? It leaves them less bulky.

36:47Yes, I brought that up with Disney executives. They're not commenting. But I agree. They're not big enough. And by the way, Disney stock, that would be the biggest take private in history because Disney's like 200. They'd have to go up to like 300. That would be hard to get through the government, period, in whatever government it happens to be. But Disney, do you know where their stock is? Their stock's the same place it was 10 years ago. Yeah, I know. And talk about IP. You want to see people salivate over IP. Right. I mean, Darth Vader to Moana. I mean - Moana Live is coming out. And those parks.

37:19You want to talk about, we were just talking about - It did great with Zootopia, by the way. It continues to win in many ways. Oh, yeah. And you want to talk about a moat around atoms versus bits. The parks. Jesus Christ. If I said to you, if I said to you, okay, one of these things is down by 50 % in three years, it's either Netflix subscribers or park attendance. What would you pick? Oh, of course, Netflix. Well, I don't know. People love their Netflix. They do love them Netflix. And it also has the Taylor Swift era's documentary on it. So, no, that's on Disney. That's on Disney. That's on Disney.

37:52I think the parks are literally the crown jewel in the Disney portfolio. I mean, keep in mind, they were buying land in Florida for the better part of a decade under false LLCs to amass millions and millions of acres. They're very clever people. But let me go back to the Oracle stock. It's really falling. And like this, these commitments they have are massive. Okay. But, okay. Meanwhile, though, it's flat over the past year. So, okay, it's back to where it was in June. So we always talk, it's dropped dramatically from a massive spike. And the head fake here was Sam Altman and Larry Ellison and announcing a quote unquote framework for a$300 billion purchase in compute.

38:37I would love to see the terms of that contract. I think that was nothing but a joint press release. It's like when famous people date each other, their publicists are really dating each other. This is, it's like, they're not fucking. Their publicists are fucking and thought it would be a great press release to say, you know, Chris Hemsworth is dating, you know. I'll tell you, of all the stocks, though, if they get hit, Oracle will be the one that gets hit the most. Oh, it's already been hit pretty well. Yeah, it'll get hit some more. It's down, what is it down, 40 % in a month or something like that?

39:0445, something like that. But it has a great core business. Anyways, I think all of media now is in play. And whoever ends up owning this, the other guys are severely diminished. If Paramount doesn't get this, they've got to go shopping. They've got to get sold. And then there's, keep in mind, the player we're not talking about, I think Apple has invested enough in Apple TV Plus that it can't let it just die. Right. And it's a distant fifth now, but it's owned by a company worth three and a half trillion dollars. Well, the new CEO will have to, this is going to be a Tim Cook one. This is going to be the new CEO making a big move, right?

39:45Presumably, whoever that happens to be. And also, it'll have to be a different CEO than Bob Iger. He won't do this one. I could see an activist coming in. He's going to retire soon. I don't know. It is just going to be, whoever gets this, it will inspire a lot of chess playing by the other players. It should be. If Netflix isn't, if you want to talk about all of a sudden the Paramount acquisition looks like they dramatically overpaid, the day Netflix, HBO closes, Paramount Plus just looks fucked. They look fucked. And they have to join mob up with someone and there's no mobbing. And because I think Disney either goes to Apple or it goes, you know, if Netflix doesn't get this, you can see Netflix and Apple, I mean, Disney coming together too.

40:25Yeah, that would be a merger because I think Netflix is - Another thing the government probably wouldn't let happen. $400 and Disney's at$200. But we're now in a point where the unthinkable in terms of size of acquisition, Disney used to be too big to acquire. That's no longer true. Yeah. Get ready, Elizabeth Warren. You're going to have some stuff happening. You know who could, I mean, Christ.

40:50My mind's just blown here that these things, some of the biggest, everything now, it's technology in the seven dwarves. everything's being run and dictated by the wealth or paper loss is Oracle. Who would have thought that the likelihood that Paramount would buy Warner Brothers would be based on Oracle's stock price? Right. It's just because it's a rich kid and his daddy. This makes no economic sense. But Oracle's ability to position themselves as a number two infrastructure player is the fulcrum of the acquisition of Batman? I know. It's crazy. It's going to remember many Many years ago, you don't remember.

41:27My mind is blown, Cara. My mind is blown. When AT &T was doing that Comcast thing, I said, they're not still not, none of them are going to be big enough. Years ago, I said this, they're not going to be big enough. And so all these antitrust people are going to have a hard time stopping. And don't count the Roberts out. Yeah. You don't become billionaires in Philadelphia unless you have killed a lot of people and are really smart. And you're really nice people, too. You're very friendly for killers. Anyway. All right. Let's go on a quick break. We come back. Donald Trump's new AI executive order.

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44:13Scott, we're back. President Trump just signed an AI executive order to effectively neuter individual state laws regulating artificial intelligence. The order directs the DOJ to sue states and overturn laws that do not support, quote, the United States global AI dominance. Trump is also directing federal regulators to withhold funds for broadband and other projects if states keep their laws in place. Child safety laws are exempt from this order, at least for now. Now, the order, which has sparked opposition on both sides of the aisle, is likely to be challenged in court on the grounds that it's idiotic that only Congress has the authority to override state laws.

44:46Trump has been complaining about a patchwork of state laws. So have I, by the way, Donald. But do you think he and David Sachs, who really pushed this, will actually push to get a federal law? No, I do not. This is all about politics and not about policies. It's an issue dividing Republicans, too. Governor Ron DeSantis called this executive order a big subsidy to big tech. And he's right. Marjorie Taylor Greene's against it. There's a whole pack of people on both sides against it. And frankly, it's just it's going to be stopped in courts. And that's the problem. It's that they don't want to pass federal laws that would make sense.

45:18And instead, they just want to play politics of power here so that they don't get they want to stop all regulation is what they want. But they're not interested in regulation. They're interested in stopping all regulation, which is not the same thing, which is politics and not policy. So this is going to be going to go into court. And then by November, Trump's not going to be able to do any of this crap. So that's and he's on the downward hill. So obviously that none of this is going to work. So sorry, David Sachs. Good try, though. Good try. Yeah, I think I think you're right. And that is. The government is a big fan of states rights when it comes to gun control or bodily autonomy.

45:56But all of a sudden they decided we need mandatory federal legislation around a regulation around AI. And this is we don't have. And this is the mandatory federal regulation they'll have. Dick. They won't have anything. They won't have dick. They won't have dick. Because effectively, the Trump administration's ability to send secret police into cities and the entire economy is a giant bet on AI. And so they don't want any regulation that gets in the way of their thoroughbreds running. And you're going to see, in my view, and this is one of my predictions for 26, you're going to see what is positioned as an investment, but effectively will be a bailout of these guys in the form of government-backed debt to continue this crazy champagne and cocaine disco party of data centers and chip acquisition.

46:44but essentially the Trump administration has said, I don't care if it means leaking capital from the 490 of the S &P 500 to the 10, he's all in on AI. And the last thing they're going to let happen or they're going to try and let happen is any sort of regulation. And it's insane that we're not looking at synthetic relationships. It's insane that we're not looking at - Well, some states are, not our government, but not our federal government. Some states are starting to do this and that's why they want to stop it. Well, that's right. And they're claiming that it's that we need one unified. Having a unified operating system and something as complicated as AI across the 50 states makes sense.

47:21The problem is that's just a false flag. They just want no regulation. That's right. That is correct. That is correct. These people, you remember that Bond movie, The World Is Not Enough? That's what they are. I just remember the Bond girls. Who was the Bond girl in it? I don't remember who it was, but in any case. Oh, it was Pierce Brosnan. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Oh, Sophie Marceau. Oh, Denise Richards was in there too. No, no, no. That was later. That's with Daniel Craig. Denise Richards. No, no. She's in the one with the bomb. Oh, really? Yeah. Remember, she's a nuclear physicist. I don't know.

47:53Best names ever. Holly Goodhead. She was Christmas. She was some Merry Christmas or something like that was her name. Anyway, so excited about the next Bond. Anyway, yeah, this is what we feel. This is bullshit, David Sachs. Sorry, but good try. Good try. It's not going to work. It's going to get sucked up into court and then your big daddy Trump is going to be on the downhill slide. So you're trying your best to get something happening before that. But you're not going to make Fetch happen. It's going to get stopped in the court and it has bipartisan support from at some point they're going to the Congress is going to reach down and feel its balls and stop all this nonsense.

48:27Anyway, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.

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50:59Okay, Scott, some wins and fails. Would you like me to go first? You go first. Okay, my fail was this measles outbreak in South Carolina is accelerating with over 100 reported cases. Even Fox News put up a thing that measles has gone up, I think it's 14 ,000 % in the Trump administration. this new Trump administration. The fact that anyone's getting measles at all is like to become best friend to measles is astonishing. These are many of these diseases are diseases we have solved many years ago and decades ago. And the fact that people are getting measles, which is very deadly, everybody, just so you know, it's not just, you know, sometimes it's just spots on your face.

51:42A lot of times it's incredibly debilitating or fatal. The fact that they're accelerating South Carolina, in Texas, all these places. Will you people get a fucking measles vaccine? Like it really is. Oh, the efficacy is so great. And the the the rarity of any problems and as showing what's happening is a lot of this data that they're showing where COVID is a problem or there were 10 deaths. It's all it's really nonsense data. They're lying to you about this in order to pass what they get. And Robert Kennedy, he will get a pardon by Trump, but he should go to jail for what he's been doing. That's my feeling, as I've said.

52:20My win, I was going to say the gay hockey show. He did Rivalry, which I think you'll like. Gay hockey? Yeah, it's a really hot gay hot. Canada has brought us a tale of forbidden love between hockey players, and it is very hot. Let me just say it's very, very hot. And I am not a big aficionado of gay porn, but there you have it. It's really, well, it's like romance porn. That's not your genre. It's not my genre, but I like it. But I was going to give it to that. But I have to say, again, you've got me onto this. This episode of Pluribus, The Gap, was astounding. People either don't like it or like it.

53:01Nothing happens in this episode, but it does. There's no words. They don't. The two characters, this guy coming up from Paraguay and Rhea Sehorne, who's amazing as Carol, was just, it was so beautiful, an episode. It takes so much guts, as you said, Vince Gillian, in the middle of your hit season. And by the way, I think this will end up being the most important thing Apple's done and possibly on streaming right now. In the middle of your season, you pull this shit. I love it. I love every bit of it. I think about it all week, every single aspect of those shows and the things they do. And if I were Carol, a lesbian stuck by myself, I too would golf into a window.

53:42I would drive golf wigs into a skyscraper window and really enjoy doing it. And I just, I love both characters and I'm excited for them to meet, I assume in the next episode. But I got to say, it takes a set, speaking of balls again, and not pucks, to do this, to do the way they did it. All right, that's my win. Go ahead. So I'll start with my fail. My fail is Face the Nation's incredibly odd framing of a question to Senator Bill Cassidy this past Sunday. Literally, I love Margaret Brennan. I love Face the Nation. It's one of the many ways I communicate to my sons that I'm 140 fucking years old is I love watching Face the Nation.

54:26But I asked the team to just cue up this one question. Do we have the question? CBS has confirmed that there are no ongoing safety studies into the abortion drug mifepristone. This was despite the Trump administration saying they were going to conduct one. And anti-abortion groups want this review to take place. I saw a letter the FDA commissioner sent to you last week claiming they are reviewing the evidence. Do you believe him? And if not, what are you doing about it? That is nothing but whitewashed Sunday morning Vaseline over wholesale misogyny. The framing of the question, has the FDA conducted investigations?

55:19No, they haven't conducted investigations into Advil or erythromycin either. Why? Why? Because this is an FDA-approved drug that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and other leading medical organizations have stated that mifepristone is an, open quote, incredibly safe medication. Yes, it is. Thank you. And the complications are exceedingly rare, usually minor, and easily treatable. As a matter of fact, and there's peer-reviewed research on this, the U.S. death rate from childbirth is about 14 times higher than from any legally induced abortion, all methods, including the safest, which is mifepristone.

56:11And to frame it as, oh, there's a concern, they aren't looking at this, investigating it is such an incredible far-right talking point that somehow to claim that you give a flying fuck about women's health by undermining women's health by sowing doubt of which there is no medical evidence that lends any veracity to that doubt. Yes, it's called reporting, And they're not doing it at the current CBS News. They're taking a heritage talking point. That is right. And sowing doubt from a show and a journalist who never used to do this bullshit. Well, she also has done it several times since the purchase by Paramount, which I warned you about.

57:02I told you these people aren't reporters. And it gives me no pleasure. But Margaret, what in the actual fuck are you doing? Go ahead. But the framing of this question creates doubt around this drug. Yes, that's the point. Which is, it is so irresponsible and such an abuse of a brand that has taken decades. Just asking questions, Scott. Just asking. That is the attitude towards the people who run CBS News right now. Asking a conservative senator a talking point that somehow frames it as your concern. If they were to say people on the far right believe that this is murder and they want it looked into, okay, fine.

57:44But to pretend this is about women's health under the auspice of trying to create doubt around a very effective means of bodily autonomy, which is the definition of women's health, is just, I mean, I'm holding CBS. the show. And quite frankly, Margaret Brennan, what the fuck are you thinking? My sentiments exactly. This is not the first time. Margaret Brennan is a star. You have leverage. You should not be reading the talking points from Project 2025. Yep. She did it before. This one was repulsive. It really is. I appreciate it. Scott, I love you. I love you. I stopped the show and I'm like, did I just hear this correctly?

58:32That's correct. And I went on YouTube and I'm threads and I'm like, what the fuck? What the actual? And it's so dis... Anyway, I'm going to move on. Well, I'm just saying, they had... The whole CBS News page was a nothing burger of an Erica Kirk interview. So I told you this would happen, but go ahead. I was right. I was right. And I was right. The new novel. Because they're not reporters. They're like, it's... The new novel from Kara Swisher. All right, this is my win. Okay, I want to win. I want to win. Okay, this really is a win. It's the gay hockey players. Gawky. Gawky. Oh, that's right. So.

59:11Merry Christmas, balls. I didn't know that a lot of gay hockey. A lot of balls in that show. I didn't know there were a lot of gay hockey players. Oh, my God. All the people are talking about it. Well, I mean, they do suck a mean dick. Yeah, I do. That question, that joke never gets old. Anyway, so my win is, Cara, I'm at that age. I posted on Instagram, and this isn't about me. It's not a big loss for me. The individual I'm about to talk about, I haven't seen in decades. But there was a core group of eight of us in the fraternity, and one of them was Brad Luff, who passed away this week after a battle with pancreatic cancer.

59:45And obviously, that's not my win. And I don't want—it's not a big loss for me. I haven't seen Brad in 30 years. But my win is the following. My win is a close friend named David Kingsdale, who was part of our core group. And the last few years, Brad had struggled on a number of levels, including in terms of his relationships with his family. And David, who is this, he was president of our fraternity, captain of our football team, just like the ultimate kind of like aspirational alpha male and a really decent man. And he had spent the better part of the last two years coordinating and caring for Brad in terms of his health care.

1:00:25I would get a call from David. This couldn't have been easy for David. I'd say, do you know anyone at Cedars? I'm trying to get him into the right physical therapy. Do you know anyone? Do you know a surgeon here? There have been studies showing that the most important thing in health care is that you have an advocate. And that is you have someone who loves you and someone who's looking out for you. And here was David Kingsdale looking after Brad. Anyways, I think a lot about happiness, and I just had David Brooks on my podcast, and the biggest studies of its kind all say that happiness comes down to the number of deep and meaningful relationships.

1:01:05That's not a spoiler or that seems somewhat obvious. But the wrinkle in it that's really interesting is that the happiest people aren't the ones who are loved the most. It's the ones that have the most people to love, right? That find relationships where they find people who will love them. William Macy has a great line in the film Magnolia where he says, I have love to give. I just don't know where to give it. And I've been thinking a lot about David. he just demonstrated so much character when Brad was so vulnerable. Here was a guy, a really competent guy who was known for 40 years, calling everyone, helping raise money for Brad, finding the right doctors.

1:01:47And this is a guy with his own life, his own career, his own wife, and his own kids. And it just got me thinking that the happiest people are able to find others where they can put a lot of love. Anyways, my win is David Kingsdale, who placed a lot of love in regard and give a lot of comfort to our friend Brad Luff at the end of his life. So my win is David Kingsdale. Oh, that's lovely, Scott. That is. This is the time, especially, when we should be thinking about that stuff. So weird. Our friends are dying, Kara. It's so weird. It's true. It's true. That's the way it goes. But not today. Not us.

1:02:23Not today. Not today. And by the way, Scott, I would take care of you because that's how it's going to go. I'll count on that. Just bring the hat. It's going to be some facelift mishap. I need you to do two things. I need you to bring the hat and Emily Ratajkowski. I will. I will bring her. If you had some facelift gone awry, that's how it's going to go. It's a good chance. That's a good chance. Some Joan Rivers action. Me and George Conn will do everything it takes to get Emily Ratajkowski at your bedside with this hat. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I'm going to send it to you. I appreciate that.

1:02:56It has a single white ball. There you go. That's how you operate. Right. Look at this. See? Anyway, that's a lovely that's a lovely thing to say. But again, I feel my gay pucks are much better. OK, we want to hear from you. Send us your question about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to NYMAG dot com slash pivot. Submit a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT. And elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe this week on On with Kara Swisher, I spoke with podcaster and neuroscientist Sam Harris. We talked about why so many tech billionaires have embraced Trump's authoritarian politics.

1:03:26Of course we did. Let's listen to a clip. No one ever has to give a rational accounting of how their views have changed. I mean, you know, after January 6th, some of the guys on the All In podcast, I think it was Chamath most vocally, you know, in the aftermath of January 6th. I think he said that, you know, Trump should be in jail for the rest of his life. So how these guys went from there to where they are now has never been explained. And they feel no burden to explain it because they have cultivated audiences that simply don't care about these kinds of ethical incoherencies. Now we're doing this.

1:04:06Now we're doing this. I think that was great. And he also noted that they will go right back and pretend it never happened when things go dark, which they are. He's a role model of mine. I mean, a genuine role model. I love him. Yeah, he and I used to beef all the time. This was so much. Allies have changed so drastically. I have to say, both he and Yuval Harari, who were very tight with the tech bros, have been courageous to push up against them, which Sam has to his detriment, I would suspect. Sam is literally the personification of a moral compass. He has his principles and he just never wavers from them.

1:04:39I find he's the least perverted adulterer. Money has had the least. He's very successful. and the guys he's referencing are a moral compass gone haywire. It's all about everything they say in the moment can be reverse engineered to what they believe will make them richer at that moment. That's right. Yeah, I have to say, it was a really interesting discussion. Okay, that's the show. Let me just say, this is our last one before 2026 because we have taped two shows, a listener episode and a predictions episode, and we are taking a few days off on Christmas and New Year's. And Scott, of course, is traveling the world.

1:05:16I'm just going to San Francisco with my family. We wish you a happy holidays, however you celebrate. And we love our fans and we love each other, of course. And that goes without saying. And we've had a great year, don't you think, Scott, with our tour? Our numbers are going up. We having the best time. I think it's been a great, I mean, for a terrible 2025. Yeah, we've had a wonderful year. Thanks to you and the fans. We hope to have a wonderful 2026. We're going to be together for another year at least until the, until whenever. Anyway, thanks for listening to pivot and be sure to like, and subscribe to our YouTube channel.

1:05:52We'll be back on Friday with a wonderful listener mail segment in which Scott, as you might imagine, cries. Anyway, Scott, I love you. Happy holidays. Happy 2025 and happy next year. And I'll see you next year. Read us out. Now look forward to it. Today's show was produced by Lara Neiman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Anderson, hot engineer this episode. Rich Shipley edited the video. Thanks also to Jabros, Mr. Vera, and Dan Shalon. Nishat Kerouz, Vox Media's executive producer of podcasts. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media.

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