Elon’s Harem, Trump v. Harvard, and Zuckerberg on the Stand

24:35We did that. The HIV protease inhibitors, the cocktail drugs, came out of universities. Genentech was based on recombinant DNA technology from UCSF and Stanford, Google, smartphones, Cisco Systems. I mean, this is the best. The U.S. does actually a small number of things better than anyone, but we do them really, really well. And people think it's not enough because, like, they haven't been as involved in AI and it's been taken up by – what happens is private enterprise takes the juicy bits and the parts that are harder, the universities used to do and they used to do in combination. Then no one else will fund.

25:10It sometimes ends up being unbelievable. Lithium-ion batteries. You don't have to make it. This is fucking ridiculous. And here it is. Why do you think Harvard decided and fuck this shit and Columbia didn't? Like, think about being inside these places. Columbia literally has just this virus of a lack of leadership right now. I would argue that Columbia, between the response—I mean, there were two campuses with protests. President Linda Mills just handled it much differently than the folks at Columbia. And I also think Columbia, quite frankly, for whatever reason, has been a flashpoint and has been, you know, unfortunately targeted, whatever you want to call it.

25:47But I do think the reason that Harvard decided to stand up, I think they have more leadership. I think they have more moral clarity. And quite frankly, it just really helps to have$54 billion endowment. It's just this is they can afford to do this. So and it's also great. It's great for their brand. Harvard probably this is probably one of the better brand moves of 2025. Yeah, because they were sort of the like elite irritants. And now they seem like freedom fighters. Yeah, and the president of Harvard, unable to condemn anti-Semitic speech as hate speech or whatever it is, they've had their hits the last six months.

26:27This is absolutely them standing up and doing the right thing, even when it's hard. So we'll see if the IRS will, if the IRS does this, it takes years. This is going to go, by the way, everybody, again, it's going to go through lots of courts with the IRS. They're going to try to do this. It will be litigated. And by that time, if Donald Trump is lost, the people who are doing this to Harvard, the IRS are going to be fucked royally at some point if they make these moves. They think that Donald Trump's going to be in power forever. And that may be. But if he's not, you're taking a rather large risk that you're not all of you aren't going to jail at some point for these behaviors.

27:06What you're saying is so important. And I've been talking to a lot of Democrats. I was on Governor Newsom's podcast yesterday. And I think when something that's missing from the Democratic Party, I don't believe that like this, we go when they go low, we go high. I think that's just like trying to capture social status. I absolutely think we need to get in the mud. And I think there needs to be a Democrat who basically says, I'm running for president. I'm going to win. And when I win, I am absolutely targeting. I'm going to have the SEC look into all trading on April the 9th. I'm going to look at all illegal deportations.

27:43I'm going to look at the unlawful seizure of constitutional power. It's going to be done to the letter of the law. But be clear. Be clear, folks. If you're breaking laws and you're under the impression you're no longer subject to the law, that might be true for the next, you know, 40, you know, 44 months. But in 44 months, the law is coming back. The sheriff is coming back. In two years, if the governmentrats win, this is just like that even more in 20 months. Let me say, it also doesn't help people. It doesn't bring the price of eggs down. This is what we're doing, this tit for tat. And by the way, this tit for tat is going to be required.

28:19They have to go down. And it's going to waste everybody's time, what they're doing here. They're going to do this, they're going to lose, and then they're going to jail. But it's just such a waste of time and effort. And Harvard could be doing all kinds of really interesting things in research. And anyway, this is it's the greatest brand change for Harvard. You're right. I think that's really an important thing. And we'll see if Donald Trump could pull this off just because he's going through stop signs right now. It doesn't mean he can keep doing it or there will not be consequences later. OK, let's go on a quick break.

28:55When we come back, new details about Elon's creepy harem and legions of babies.

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30:47Scott, we're back. And Elon Musk is trying to build an army of super babies with, quote, no romance, just sperm. It feels like you would have said something like this, Scott. That's from an explosive report in the Wall Street Journal about the tactics he used to recruit and manage his offspring and their mothers. This romantic hero has even used Social Platform X to recruit willing wombs. Here's what Jimmy Kimmel had to say about the latest revelations. It is believed that Elon has fathered at least 14 children. And based on this photograph, he may have given birth to them, too. He's carrying a few around in his pouch like a kangaroo.

31:22So sources told the journal they believe there could be more mini musks out there, many more mini musks. You've heard of Alien versus Predator? Elon might be both. So another tidbit from the journal is reporting. And by the way, I've spoken about this with so many reporters. I'm so glad that they're finally writing about this and not pretending it's just a silly, you know, an ex who's mad at him. This is really significantly weird stuff, and especially since he's in such a position of power. Musk believes population decline is a massive threat and wants to make enough babies to, quote, reach legion level before the apocalypse.

32:01And Musk urged former girlfriend Ashley St. Clair to, or I don't know what she is, I guess girlfriend, to give birth via C-section because he believes that vaginal births limit brain size. You remember I was arguing with him about this, given I had a C-section. Scott, where shall we go with this? Where should we start? I mean, I'm thrilled that reporters are actually doing these things around the drugs, around these weirdnesses around children. It is really demented in a way that's really around the bend. And it's fine if someone wants to have a lot of kids, but this is a whole theory. I think the one person in this story that didn't get enough shit is Jared Birchall, who works for him and is his facilitator.

32:42They wrote about him being a Mormon and talking about him having such a stable family. Jared, if you're facilitating this, you don't get to hide behind your perfect family and that you don't behave like this. You're just facilitating a rich person behaving badly and manipulating women who are having kids. I mean, everything sounds so pathetic. And I'll let you go on, Scott. But the children are really what really concerns me here is that these kids are getting manipulated by Musk in terms of what they're going to pay the mothers and this and that. You don't need$15 million to raise a kid or anything else, but the ethical implications of all of this for all of you who are facilitating this for Musk are rather deep, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

33:31Go ahead, Scott. Look, there's a kernel of truth here, just calling balls and strikes. There was this fear or this moral panic around a population explosion that we were going to absorb, that our population was growing faster than the Earth's resources and it was going to collapse under population growth. What's actually happened is that bomb has detonated, but it's imploded. And that is Western nations, as they become wealthier and more educated, women decide having a lot of kids is a bad deal for them. And also men and basically birth rates go down. And evidence has shown that as population has gone up, poverty has gone down.

34:08It ends up that if you put 10 new brains into society, you know, one is a problem, eight do just fine, and one might solve more problems than those 10 brains create. So population growth is actually really, it's a huge problem in Japan. In South Korea, supposedly like only three or four people will have grandkids right now with these birth rates. Now, you can solve it with thoughtful immigration policies and also restoring a tax code that doesn't rob from the young and give money to the old such that young people should they decide to have kids, which 60 percent did 40 years ago at the age of 30.

34:44Now it's 27 percent. So we can solve for this problem. I do believe that his basic theory is rooted in something that's true, like having more kids. Now, having said that, having said that, if you look at what I believe maybe next income inequality is the biggest thing threatening the U.S., it's extremism led by a group of young men who feel are sequestering from society and becoming shitty citizens. They're not attaching to work. They're not attaching to school. They're not attaching to relationships. They become prone to misogynistic content. They start blaming women and immigrants for their problems.

35:19They become less likely to believe in climate change. And if they don't have a relationship or work by the time they're 30, the levels of substance abuse and self-harm just go crazy. Just go crazy. That is a huge – struggling young men in this country is a huge threat to our society. I wonder if someone wrote a book about it out in November. There you go. So what now, if you were to reverse engineer it to the point of failure, where a boy with a lot of potential comes off the tracks, you might say, well, their prefrontal cortex doesn't mature as quickly. Well, the education system is biased against them.

35:54They're twice as likely to be suspended on a behavior adjusted. There's a lot of things. They've been told for 40 years that they're the oppressor and they're starting to believe it. They have big tech trying to sequester them from society with gambling and porn. They have a lot of things going against them. But the number one point of failure to be reverse engineered to is when they lose a male role model. The worst thing or one of the worst things you can do as a man, or let me put it this way, the best thing you can do is to stay involved in your kid's life. He's not around. And what's interesting is that when you have a single parent household, which he's creating, he's creating 14 single parent households.

36:39He doesn't have 14 kids. He has 14 single-parent households. More kids than that, I think. And what's interesting is that the daughters in single-parent households have similar outcomes as dual-parent households. I'm not saying girls don't need their dad, but if you look at high school and college attendance and rates of self-harm, they're not materially different in single-parent households than dual. It is an entirely different story for boys. And what it ends up is that while boys are physically stronger, they're mentally and emotionally much weaker. But him creating a series, a cadre of children that don't have their dad around, even if he sends checks, that is bad for society.

37:21But he also, Scott, two things. He uses checks as the control point, by the way. And secondly, listen, there's a pronatalist movement going on, obviously, and he's part of this. they're not, he's talking about smarter people. And that reads to me, white people, essentially, right? I don't think he thinks all people are equal. Well, it's almost as if he'd give a Nazi salute. Right. Yes, exactly. Who knows? Or that his dad started banging his stepdaughter. Is that right? I mean, his stepdaughter, I think. Yeah, correct. But here's the thing. It's about white people, more white people. That is, or more people he considers smart, which is, I think, thought of that.

38:02Is he only procreating with other white women? I guess that. He did try. He is someone he didn't know online named Tiffany Fong, I believe, that she's Asian. But here's the thing. He thinks his genes are smart. So who isn't smart where there are population increases? Brown people. That is what he is doing here. So I agree. Listen, nobody believes in kids more than me. I'm not the Elon Musk of lesbians. You're openly lesbian, Cal Swisher. You're openly lesbian. At least you could be a closeted. At least you could drive your Subaru with blackout windows. Stop being so openly straight and masturbating at all times.

38:43At least you could hide that German shepherd. Anyway, nonetheless, he thinks there are smart people and dumb people and all the smart people are not. You know, this has a racial element to it. Let's be clear. Let me ask you this. Is it true that on all dates with lesbians, they hug for three hours, cry, and then decide never to see each other again? Is that true? No. Is that true? You know what? Me and Mike, you're coming to Lesbians Who Tech this year, and we're going to— I went three years ago. You're doing it again, and this year we're going to kill you and do a ritual sacrifice. I took my shirt off, and the whole audience is like, yeah, I made the right choice.

39:16Literally every woman in the crowd is like, I did make the right choice, cleaning my shirt off. I was the second straight guy to ever be on the stage. First was Mark Benioff. Anyway, Elon, you are a sick puppy. I have to tell you, one sick puppy. And I feel bad for these women. I feel bad for these kids. And the story was terrific. That the journal's doing it is amazing. I have to say, I told, oh, a half a dozen top reporters about this Ashley St. Clair to like, this was really weird what was happening and nobody followed it. And the journal did a really good job. I have to say, I have to give them credit.

39:50But it is not prurient. It's really, along with their board coverage of how they party with him, along with his strange behaviors, I think the journal's doing amazing journalism here. As is Christian Grind of the New York Times, who was previously the journal. I think it's important, though, that we bring this back to me. Okay. All right. So I have more kids, likely, substantially more kids than Elon Musk. You know why? Oh, right. Because you gave, we know this. We talked about this. Sperm donor. Yeah, I could get 40 bucks a shot because I was a quote unquote athlete at UCLA. Anyways, I got called back four times a week for a full year.

40:28And I couldn't figure it out because the two guys I went with were literally blonde gods. They were water polo players and went to the Olympics. They were smarter than me. These guys were specimens. Jewish. You've said this story. That's right. And I said, why do I have the golden seed here? And they said, you have the two things. Did you just say golden seed? No, baby. My man gravy is like literally it's like NVIDIA chips. We're moving on. The reason why my sperm was literally an Hermes bag, I was the Hermes of sperm, was two things. What are the two things that people in West L.A., parents want in their sperm?

41:04Tall Jewish babies. Tall and Jewish. Tall and Jewish. I have a peanut butter and chocolate with a sperm donation. There are Scott Galloways all over Southern California. Can you imagine how many receding hairlines are out there right now? I don't even want to know. I don't even want to know. I don't even want to know. So thank God, not my children. Anyway, here's an idea. How many angry, depressed people? They didn't test me for that shit. All right. You know, I didn't pick someone because they had a history of depression in his family. Anyway, here's an idea. There's some hot new real estate about 120 light years from Earth where Elon could go.

41:35Researchers announced on Tuesday that they've discovered a massive planet known as K2-18b. I'm going to call it Galloway. Thank you. Whose atmosphere suggests the possible presence of living organisms. It's really hot and wet. That's really pretty much what's happening. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Anyway, just really quickly, NVIDIA says it will start producing AI superconditioned manufactured entirely in the U.S. The announcement comes conveniently after reports of upcoming tariffs. We'll see. The company plans to produce$500 billion of infrastructure in the U.S. via manufacturing partners over the next year.

42:07They all say$500 billion. Apple did this. They commissioned over 1 million square feet of manufacturing space to build ships in Arizona. They're working with Foxconn and Taiwan's Wistron on additional plants in Texas, of course. And then Trump said all the necessary permits will be expedited and delivered. They're trying to appease Trump, or I'm sure he'll still screw them on tariffs. Jensen Wang said made a surprise visit to Beijing to meet with Chinese trade officials as follows. NVIDIA is revealing on Wednesday it's taking a$5.5 billion hit thanks to new U.S. restrictions on the exports of its H20 chips to China.

42:41The shares have been plunging. very quickly, thoughts on the planet or NVIDIA. Nothing other than that there's all of this stuff announcing investment is performative, thinking he's an idiot. If we just repackage existing investments, he'll go for it and he'll potentially leave us alone. And the stocks are now trading based on the prediction markets of the mad king. I mean, this is just not the way to run an economy. They weren't going to do this before. And, you know, you can force manufacturing back in the U.S., but it will have a price later if it's not economic. That's just the way it goes, unfortunately.

43:17All right, Scott, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about Zuck taking the stand and how much he was willing to pay to get the antitrust case to go away.

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46:13Scott, we're back with more headlines. There's lots going on. Mark Zuckerberg has taken the witness stand for three days in Meta's antitrust trial this week over its acquisition of Instagram and WhatsApp. Also, Sheryl Sandberg was also on the stand. If the FTC wins, Meta could be forced to sell off the app. Some highlights, years before the FTC sued Meta under the Trump administration, Zuckerberg considered having Instagram be its own company to avoid antitrust issues. Meta tried to buy Snapchat for$6 billion, which actually, I think I broke that story at the time. He thinks it would have been bigger now if it accepted the offer.

46:43Zuckerberg had, of course, then copied everything Snapchat did. It's buyer Barry, really. And Barry was the choice that, unfortunately, Snapchat had to face. Zuckerberg once had a crazy idea to wipe out all Facebook users' friends, to start again. The Meta CEO called TikTok the highest competitive threat for Facebook and Meta. If it were up to Zuckerberg, this trial never would have happened. He offered the FTC$450 million, which is laughable, later upping the amount to$1 billion, but the offer was well below the$30 billion the FTC wanted. This is under its current chair, Andrew Ferguson. You've got to sit there, Ferguson.

47:21Zuckerberg reportedly felt confident President Trump would back him. Obviously, he didn't and allowed it to go forward. It's not the strongest cases that we've talked about. And this idea of who its competitor is in the in the then, it's a strong case in the now. It's not as strong a case. And everybody has shifted from social media to entertainment in a lot of ways. Social media in the with a stress on media, not on social. um so give me is there this ass kissing doesn't work give me one of your crazy ideas scott here on this trial so there's different remedies one is a fine which it looks like they're pursuing right now if they're found guilty of monopolistic behavior and certain consent decrees also along with the fine by the way nine out of ten people in the world outside of china are on a meta app If not, I think it's either every day or every week.

48:12And they have 70 % share of social media. Now, that alone isn't illegal. What's illegal is if you're using that 70 % share to deploy monopoly pricing that's bad for consumers. And I would argue or engage in anti-competitive behavior. And if you look at the notes that have come out in Discovery, a big justification for acquiring Instagram is that we need to neutralize a competitor. That right there, that statement, that's illegal. That you're not allowed to acquire a company to neutralize a competitor. You're not allowed to do acquit kills. In addition, what I always like to appeal to people's greed glands on this, if they were forced as a remedy to spin Instagram, you know who wins here.

48:54And what's up? And what's up? You know who wins here? Shareholders. Because the company right now, it trades at a really healthy multiple of 7.7x times revenues. Instagram on its own, I think would trade at 15 to 20 times revenues. Instagram, just to give you, you were at my birthday in Scotland. Scotland is overrun because a bunch of Instagrammers went there and went crazy talking about Scotland two summers ago. And in the same summer, a bunch of Instagrammers were highlighting that a drink in Mykonos was now 30 bucks and travel was off 30 % last summer. Instagram now dictates global tourism patterns.

49:32You see it happen in Los Angeles and parts of your neighborhood. People take a picture in front of - Oh, if we went to my window right now, we would see three or four Asian women with their Hermes bags on my cobblestone street taking pictures of one another. It is literally - There's one area where they're all taking care of it. You talk about commerce. You talk about, I mean, that Instagram is an independent company. Everyone would want to own that stock. So shareholders would do better. I would buy that stock. In addition, the competition here would lower rents. And specifically, I've argued that the rents that have gone up here are the biggest rent increase has been non-economic.

50:10Think about the rents that parents have had to pay because of the monopoly control of Meta. Yeah. So the fact that they wouldn't compete and coordinate with core Facebook, the fact that WhatsApp would probably be the largest telco in the world. And rather than being a vessel for finding data for better targeting for the core platform, Facebook or Instagram, they would have to figure out a way just to be the largest telco and start charging money. I think if they announced they were breaking up these companies, I would buy MetaStock because I think that ultimately shareholders would win. More tax revenue.

50:43By the way, employees win because there's more companies trying to rent your labor. Employees win, tax revenue, shareholders win. The only person that doesn't win is the person who wants to sit on the iron throne of all seven realms, not just Westeros. But I've always thought the two best things you could do to oxygenate the global economy are if China and the U.S. kissed and made up. We have IP, they have manufacturing, enough already, let's lower everyone's costs by getting along again. And obviously, President Trump does not get that. And then the second biggest way to oxygenate and unleash the global economy would be to take Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Meta and go from four companies to 15.

51:23It would create, it would unleash so much competition and innovation. And innovation, new things, innovation, innovation. Like that's the thing. Like everyone's like going on about Tesla. I'm like their car sucks and it's not innovative. Did you see the Japanese stuff that's coming out? The EVs are so adorable and fantastic. I just keep thinking, why didn't any, why didn't Tesla do this? Like, why didn't they had the, well, that's it. Because he's having lesions of babies and taking ketamine, apparently, and running the government into the ground. But you're right. You're absolutely right. We'll see what happens.

51:56People find this to be a very weak case, though, because the limits of who they're, it doesn't address what's happening now, which is intense competition in this social media space. Again, as I said, emphasis on media. He's trying to get away from the social part of it, by the way, which is really interesting because people aren't doing what Facebook was originally intended for anymore. Now they're like consuming just like they did television. It's really, there has been a shift, don't you think? Don't you find you using social media for consumption more than declaration or friendship now? I got to be honest, I'm addicted to both Instagram and to TikTok.

52:33But for consumption, you like looking at it, right? Well, honestly, it's now my news source. I get really good. TikTok has figured out I want to see an economist talking about interest rates or a woman talking about social issues that forgot to put a bra on. Those are the two. That's how my feed, that's how my feed is. What about if it was an economist putting his bra on? And then, that's good. That's good. He has bra on. or chiropractors aggressively adjusting people. Oh, I love that. It's amazing. Like, oh my God, she has neck pain. Oh my God, what is he going to do? And then all of a sudden you hear celery and she's like, I can walk again.

53:13I can walk again. I love that. Oh my God. And I see Great Danes. They are sick people. They have figured out I love Great Danes. I could watch Great Danes all day. Also, have you seen the new ones where some chef will take like a$300 Chateaubriand and line up three dogs at a table and then show them the Chateaubriand. And then literally the chef will cook it in front of them and get in front of them and then slice it for them and create some amazing sauce and then just feed these three pit bulls this amazing Chateaubriand. That's end times. That's worse than Gail Gang. Maybe it's late-stage capitalism, but it sure is entertaining.

53:51Oh, wow. Oh, my gosh. I watch it. I do on threads a thing called food porn, which I love, which is they just cook shit all over the place. I love cooking videos. Anyway, we got to get back to the important things. I'm not sure where this case is going, but it sure has a lot of cool emails of them acting like assholes, all of them, like, we're going to kill this company. We're going to do this. This is exactly how they talk in reality. It's just very entertaining. But one of the things coming out of it is how much Mark Zuckerberg doesn't like his actual business, the social part of social media.

54:21That's been really interesting to me. There was a big announcement this week. I think the biggest story that people haven't been talking about is open AI deciding they might get into social. Yeah, we're going to talk about that next week. Because we'll see. I think they're just tweaking. They love to tweak everyone. But yes, they could do that too. Again, consumption. Consumption of videos. That's where they're going to go in the creation and the creativity of people with this stuff. This is just in, by the way. A federal judge has ruled that Google did act illegally to maintain a monopoly in online advertising technology.

54:53The judge said in a ruling that Google had broken the law to build its dominance. No shit, Sherlock. The Justice Department and a group of states had sued Google, arguing that its monopoly in ad technology allowed the company to charge higher prices and take a bigger portion of the sale. Yes, because they're on both sides of the deal, everybody. Remember, a federal judge ruled in August, a separate federal judge, that the company had a monopoly in online search. He is now considering a request by the Justice Department to break the company up, spin parts off. Google's, this is a much stronger case, and it is so obvious, the dominance of Google in both advertising and search and their behaviors around this.

55:29It's really interesting. Of course, Sundar was at the inauguration. It doesn't seem to be helping. Now, a lot of these cases were started in the previous Trump administration. Again, I cannot underscore this. So thoughts, thoughts on this one. This one's stronger and they've lost. They've clearly lost. This will go on. They will appeal, but they've lost again, once again. Like I said, I just, I think everybody wins if these companies start. I think their share price goes up. I don't know what to say other than that. Although I was more cynical about antitrust under a Trump administration. And Jonathan Cantor, who knows a lot more about this than me, sent me straight and said, you're underestimating some of the people who are out-justice in the FTC.

56:10Yeah. The person who replaced him is very well. Gail, I think it's Slaughter or Slater, is very well respected. She's a J.D. Vance person from the J.D. Zance side of the aisle who has been very antitrust focused. great respect for people, like in terms of, they understand, here's the thing, everybody, less competition, less innovation, higher prices, shittier products. That's the way it goes. And the fact that these companies, and by the way, the side effects of both these companies for their dominance in both social media and advertising and search, which is linked to, they're all linked to advertising, is the death of regular media.

56:49They have, two of these two companies have run over. Now, look, media, old media has done a lot of things to kill itself. But this is not the hollowing out of the business model by these companies using these tactics has been right in there to really hurt these companies. So that's another that's another, you know, deleterious effect of these things. Anyway, we'll be right back and we'll get to predictions.

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58:59Okay, Scott, let's hear a prediction. What's a prediction from you? Besides children of Scott all over Southern California. Are you creating a legion of babies? Well, you know you can, there's now a website. If you go to it, you can type in your name and say this is the clinic I donated. Yes, I know all about it. And they send you a certified mail. And if you sign it, an email goes out to all your biological children saying this is your biological father. I would do it if you could gate it, and you can't. And the problem is you don't know if it's— I'm absolutely going to do this now so I can meet all of Scott's children.

59:30Well, that's why I don't do 23andMe because people get figured out. But I don't know if I have two kids or 2 ,000 because it wasn't regulated back then. You may have like hundreds of kids. You remember the Vince Vaughn movie where he had hundreds of kids? Yeah, I told you that. My mom made me stop because she said, I'm not exaggerating. I paid for my junior year at UCLA doing this. And my mom said, you need to stop. And her rationale was, what if your son ends up marrying your daughter? Oh, my God. That's the typical fear thing, the fear thing. I know. But anyways, she had a real point. And she's like, you're going to go up in L.A.

1:00:02and you're going to come and you're going to meet. Anyways, but it's a weird thought. I thought about maybe like, I don't know, leaving him some money when I die or something like that. But anyways. I know I've used those sites because I saw how many other kids my sons are related to. Make for a fun party. Think about what an awesome party I would throw for 238-year-olds that all sort of look like me. That would be a fun party, wouldn't it? I feel like I want to go find all your children. and apologize and give them therapy? I'm going to make a documentary, Searching for Scott. Oh, let's start a podcast network.

1:00:37Yes, let's start a Vox Media podcast. With just their children. Why is that? Oh my God, that's so fucked up. I know, it's so fucked up. Let's hear a prediction. Anyway, sorry. I predict this would be disastrous. And then they could marry all of Elon Musk's kids. Anyway, sorry, prediction. I think my prediction is the following, Kara. I think the worm has turned. I think that my sense is that the things that have kept Republicans quiet because of their dear leader has more power in this cult that where he can vote them out of office, the fear factor of saying, I'll weaponize the DOJ against my enemies.

1:01:13Donald Trump, I'm not comparing him to Hitler, but Hitler's biggest mistake that reshaped the world was he decided to open a second front in the war and he declared war on Russia. That is, we probably would have had to come to some sort of agreement with him where he got Europe and Britain got the empire or whatever. But that is what kind of lost the war. It was in addition to British brains, Russian blood, and American brawn, Russian blood, they sacrificed 20 million people. And they were allies at the beginning of the war. Trump has decided to fight everyone all at once. He's not going after targeted tariffs against China or figuring out if there's certain tariffs on dairy that are not reciprocal or asymmetric.

1:02:01He's not saying to the EU, we need you to pay more for our NATO. But he's just declared war on everyone all at once. And it is literally the only, we had to ally with dozens of countries to get Hussein out of Kuwait. But this guy's under the impression he can declare war on everyone. And - It does feel like declare war on everyone, doesn't it? Everyone, all at once, whether it's Harvard or Kazakhstan, he's just declared war on everyone. Yeah. And they're going to be very creative and strike back. They're just going to be very creative and strike back. Anyways, I think the worm has turned. I think that so many public company CEOs who wake up in the morning and say, hello, Mr.

1:02:43President, that think that someday they're going to be drafted because of their incredible leadership skills to run for president. Let me save you three classes at a business school on ethics, leadership, and sustainability. Ethics is like, think about what the right thing is. Leadership is do the right thing even when it's really hard. And sustainability is doing the right thing when it's really hard, you might actually make money. There, you don't need to take those three classes. You're about to see, I believe, some very high-profile business leaders and Republicans come out in the next week or two and say, this is just bad.

1:03:17And they're going to get a ton of attention. I can't think of a Fortune 500 CEO who has spoken out. I can't think of a Republican who has really taken a stand here. And the person I am reminded of is a guy named Martin Niemöller. And he was essentially, it was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany in the 20s and early 30s. He sympathized. They came for me, right? That guy. That's exactly right. Very well done. He sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right-wing political movements. But after Hitler came to power in 33, Niemöller became an outspoken critic of Hitler's interference in the Protestant church.

1:03:54He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule in prisons and concentration camps. And Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for his post-war statement, which begins, first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out. And his full quote is, first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me. I mean, that is really powerful.

1:04:32And what I would argue, I have a lot of faith in America over the medium and the long term. We get it wrong in the short term a lot, but over the medium and long term, we demonstrate tremendous generosity and leadership. And I think we're at a point where people realizing that, okay, a guy with the wrong tattoo who gets basically rounded up, a university or the cultural elite that are targeted under bullshit narratives of anti-Semitism coming after weaponizing the DOJ against your political enemies. I think the school is about to rise up against the bullies. Yeah. Although, Scott, in the short term, like Chris Krebs has to leave his company because he got targeted by Trump.

1:05:12Oh, there's been, Kara, there's been uncalculable economic and moral damage. here and loss of brand equity and a loss of moral authority. I'm not in any way assuming this will repair everything. What I'm suggesting is the following. It is so obvious how damaging this is. Republicans showing up to their town halls and literally getting just absolutely ravaged. That AOC thing continues, although there's so much hostility towards her. It's really fascinating from some Democrats. But I think you're going to see in the next one or two weeks a cadre of Fortune 500 CEOs, Republicans stand up, business leaders stand up and say, okay, enough already.

1:05:54While you all claim he's playing 4D chess, at this point, we're worried he's going to start eating the pieces. This guy is making the stupidest decisions. And the first person, I love Nike. I just do a lot of work with Nike. I'm going to call, I don't know if you'll call me back, I'm going to call Elliot Hill, the CEO today. The biggest opportunity right now in the commercial consumer world is for the CEO to weaponize their creativity and their agency and to come out against this bullshit and say, this is anti-American. This is not part of our values. This is not what it means to be an American.

1:06:26Someone, someone in the Fortune 500 is going to come out and say, this is bullshit. And guess what? The people who actually have the money to buy this shit are going to think, you know what? I like the swoosh again. I like your prediction. I hope it's true. They made Harvard. He's made Harvard likable. Yeah. And, you know, interesting, Josh Shapiro, who got attacked on Passover, his house, who's the governor of Pennsylvania, Trump has yet to call him, which is really an astonishing thing. Of course, if it was if there was a Tesla in the in the driveway, he certainly would call it terrorism. But of course, he's not.

1:06:59Yeah, he wanted to label people throwing shit at Tesla's an act of domestic terrorism. Also Pam Bondi again. But the governor of Pennsylvania, someone tries to burn his house down with him in it on during Passover. I mean, but oh, we're just going to keep that. We're just going to ignore that. Anyways, I like to think that all of a sudden a bunch of leaders in the Republican Party and in the business world are reaching down and finding these spherical things called testicles. I don't know. Marco Rubio keeps making stupid arguments. They're trying to say this guy who's in El Salvador is M13 with no proof.

1:07:34People in the administration, they've signed up for the Dira Leader PAC. They're in. They're in the cult. They're like, okay, maybe I disagree with Jim Jones, but I came down to Guyana. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid. I'm talking about Fortune 500 CEOs, and I'm talking about even some Republican congresspeople. This has gotten so out of control, and they're going to do it out of greed. The first consumer brand that stands up and says, I am standing up to this. The first Republican that stands up and says, OK, come for me. This is insane, especially in a district where like in Kentucky, where Canada being more strategic is like, no, let's just not do blanket tariffs.

1:08:14Let's go after red states. I mean, this, I do think, anyway, my long-winded way of saying my prediction is the worm has turned and we're going to see people who supposedly were part of the cult, the Fortune 500, which has been visibly absent. They're going to remember that's going to, this guy's quote, you know, first they came, first they came for the socialists, right? Okay. Be clear, folks. Everyone could get this knock on the door. And I do think the worm has turned. I think there is economic incentive now to come out against this shit. And you know who provided cloud cover for it? Chairman Powell.

1:08:52Yes, he does. But we'll see. We'll see. From your mouth to all your legions of babies. You're cynical, you know, or you don't think you're skeptical. I think it'll take longer than you think. It'll be more damaging. I think he will have damaged and wrecked people's lives and in the process. Oh, I think that's already happened. Yeah. I think he's going to keep doing it. I think until the midterms and if the Democrats win, he's in for a world of pain for the rest of his life. That's where I think it is. Anyway, that's a great prediction, Scott, by the way. And as I said, from your lips to your legions of baby's ears.

1:09:22Elsewhere in the Scott and Terry universe, Scott, you just had a big interview with Canada's new prime minister, Mark Carney. Very nice get. You chatted about a lot of things, including Canada's role in changing world and whether the U.S.-Canada relationship can be fixed as trade tensions rise. Obviously, Scott is a particular friend of Canada and they love us there. Let's listen to a clip. You know, from a Canadian perspective, we are willing to take the price to restructure our economy in a different direction. Like, it's been such a sense of, I mean, the word that's used is betrayal. So, you know, we signed a deal.

1:09:57We've had this partnership. We observe it in good faith. We set up businesses. We, you know, we know lots of Americans. We like Americans. We listen to American podcasts. You know, there's such a thing. And all of a sudden, you know, we get these, you know, these attacks, which is the way this is viewed, is, okay, so it's going to cost us for a period of time and we'll build out and build with others. What a nice voice he has. He's a very impressive guy. He is. He was asked to be, again, the first non-Brit to head the Bank of England. I asked him, I thought the nicest part of the podcast, I asked him in a lightning round, I said, if you could go back and speak to someone who's not with us anymore, who would it be and what would you say?

1:10:37And he paused and he said, my dad, and I would tell him I love him. Oh, wow. It was really a nice moment. Oh, Scott, you probably weeped, didn't you? Oh, my God. Well, he got emotional, made me feel very emotional. Oh, very nice. He's an impressive, and by the way, incredible turnaround in Canada for the liberals. Like, this weird little conservative was going to win, and now he looks like he's going to lose. Pierre Poivre. Trump is literally toxic for the entire world right now. The most elegant way to reduce everyone's prosperity. But in terms of popularity, he's taken Claudia Chambon's popularity above 80 percent.

1:11:10Incredible. I mean, everyone is rallying against this guy. We'll see if he wins. We'll see. But anyway, that looks like that's the case. It was a good interview, Scott. I listened to it. It was terrific. OK, that's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot. And be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week. Scott, read us out.

1:11:55they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.