TikTok in Court, Shein and Temu Crackdown, and Guest Evan Ratliff

25:36Right? Handled. That's a strong thing. With minimal criticism. Right? And that we can get it out of the way. But it is better to get it out of the way than have it go to the Supreme Court. Because the Supreme Court will rule in favor of defense. Especially the Supreme Court. Although it has done a lot of free speech stuff around companies and has ruled against like Missouri and Texas. So who knows? Next, speaking of people that are killing it, Sam Altman has told OpenAI staff the company's nonprofit structure is set to change next year, according to Fortune. And OpenAI spokesman responded to reports saying the nonprofit is core to our mission will continue to exist.

26:10How much it exists, we'll see. But as we discussed last week, OpenAI is now in talks to raise about$6.5 billion. It would value the company at$150 billion. That was a big leap from$100 billion. It's doing very well. It's selling a lot of, it has a really good strong balance sheet right now. Of course, but things cost a lot. That's the problem. Microsoft is set to participate in the funding round. And Apple and NVIDIA are also in talks to invest. I mean, they already need money from all over the world for this kind of funds. Talk about the new funding. What do you think of these numbers? And what's your latest prediction when OpenAI goes for an IPO?

26:49I don't know. It's difficult to predict when companies go public because they're now, what's different is you, just maybe 10 years ago, you wouldn't be able to raise$7 billion in the private markets. So, and not only that, the reason you went public was a fundraising event to raise this kind of capital and also provide liquidity to the existing shareholders. And you can do both of those things now in the private markets. So it's like, well, when do we really want to? Unfortunately, what that's led to is the starching of all the upside to private investors, VCs and institutions. Now, if open AI goes to$150 billion, it might even go to$500.

27:28And unfortunately, when these companies decide to go public, oftentimes the best companies is when they think it's gotten so fucking expensive, the only people we can convince to invest at a higher valuation of retail investors. So a lot of the kind of fun, a lot of the kind of the white meat or the real value here gets starched out in the private markets. I don't think they could stay private. I mean, the question is, why would they go public unless they thought retail investors were the only ones dumb enough to keep bidding this thing up? And at$150 billion, we said this the last time, relative to other AI companies, I think it's undervalued because if these other companies are raising at what they're raising at.

28:08And spending, right. With a fraction of the strategic assets, the leadership. I mean, Sam Altman really is kind of the Bill Gates or the Elon Musk, whatever the analogy is of his generation. He has managed this thing really well. They're pulling away. They're raising a ton of capital. The new, you know, I don't know if you've seen this new feature where they, they, it thinks longer. I think that's brilliant marketing. They have more capital to spend. But I wouldn't expect an IPO anytime soon. They don't need it. Why do they need it? Why do they need to go public? Well, it's interesting. Well, because they've got competitors everywhere.

28:43I mean, Larry Ellison just gave an interview at Oracle. His best buddy Elon Musk said that - All-time lie, by the way. Oracle just said an all-time lie. Yeah, I know. He's become the second richest man for, I think, briefly. I think he's probably down again. But he said that vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure citizens will be on their best behavior. Thanks, Larry. Maybe we should be watching you. Jesus, tomorrow belongs to me. I know, I know, I know. I was like, maybe we should watch Larry a little bit. On their best behavior? Blah, blah, blah. Define best behavior, white man. What does that mean?

29:12Between you and Musk, God, we really do need A.I. to watch you too. But he also, you know, he was saying they begged Jensen Huang for GPUs over dinner in this interview. You know, this is, people are really spending here. And so I would suspect they absolutely have to be geared to be competing with these people who are spending money all over the place. And Musk, he did some, I think it was in Tennessee or one of those, he did illegal things that were questionable about the power grid there. I think he put in methane things hurting people there. They're all in the race. And Ellison talked about nuclear reactors that he needs to build to create the energy necessary.

30:02So the money is just, the costs are massive. And again, even though I think fewer players will win here than others, it's a race. The race is on. So he's got, Sam Altman's got to be as strong as he can against these. And he needs as many allies. There is sort of an Allison Musk team and a Microsoft, Altman, Apple team. So NVIDIA is sort of in the middle, but I suspect, you know, probably will maybe invest here too, which I think then the Justice Department has to look at the stuff too. So there's enormous money happening here. So we'll see. But just real quickly, one guy, Ellison, is probably the kind of the billionaire no one's talking about in AI.

30:44I think their AI group is going really quickly. Yeah, talk about their stock. Their stock is on the table. Their stock just hit an all-time high. Yeah, that's because he said AI several times. But it's more than just AI washing. They are actually, they're fastest growing. I think their revenues are 6 % or 7%, but their AI group is exploding. Just this week, it started September 9th, and now it's gone. It was down in the 100, it's been around 139, 140, and it just came up to 173 in the last couple of days since September 9th is when. It's a really well-managed company. and no one ever, I mean, quite frankly, he's a billionaire.

31:22I mean, there are very few people that are as powerful in executing as well and as rich as him that get his little press. You don't really hear about him or Oracle a lot. And they are executing really well. He saw AI. And I mean, Microsoft was obviously the visionary in terms of existing companies around this. Alphabet, you would argue, has been slowest, but he has to a certain extent kind of turned to tanker. And you could argue maybe a little bit less Dell, but the stock's at an all-time high. He's an outstanding manager and the team there has done a great job. Yeah, he's also an older gentleman, speaking of age.

32:01He's an older gentleman. You know, Salesforce stock has gone up too, even though it's down for the last month. It's been moving since September 11th or 9th or something like that. It's been moving slowly up from the 240s to the 260s close. Anyway, it's interesting to see what's happening with all these shares in that genre area. But yes, Larry Ellison's a very sharp cookie. So we'll see what happens. I think they need to go public. They need as much howitzer power. We're using too many shooting metaphors, but they need as much power as possible. They need as much whiskey power as possible, Scott Galloway.

32:40Anyway, do you like that accent? The second is worse than mine. Do you like it? That sounds like a language that twins speak to each other. Yeah. Anyway, let's bring in our friend of Pivot.

32:54Evan Ratliff is a longtime tech journalist and the host of a new podcast, Shell Game. He's been a great podcaster for many years. So, Evan, tell us what this new podcast is about. We sort of previewed it as about AI capabilities. But give us your elevator pitch on this one. It is about AI, but it's sort of taking AI from a very personal, immersive approach, I would say, which is that for the show, I created a clone of my voice. I attached that clone to a phone line. I attached it to an AI chatbot to power it. And I created what's called a voice agent, which is basically a semi-autonomous AI voice that could be set out into the world.

33:36and then I kind of let it loose. I let it talk to people. I had to call people. I had people call it. I set up a line for it to talk to telemarketers and scammers. I talked to my friends and family. And so I was sort of doing a combination of things, kind of seeing where the technology was when it comes to voice AI and also how people reacted to it. Because I think what I was most interested in was just sort of... The reaction. The reaction, like how... Knowing it wasn't you, correct? It wasn't tricking. people necessarily. It was tricking people. Sorry to say. Some people. Some people. It was only, it was sort of, it had varying success at tricking people.

34:14I mean, I had to call my friends and family from my phone number, attached to my own phone number, without them knowing that I was doing any such project. And most of them pretty quickly realized it wasn't me. They realized something was amiss. Or something was wrong with you. Let me just say, it's called show games. So So after making the show, are you more or less worried about it? Because one of your friends, I mean, again, as you said, you do lots of things on your behalf, including talking to therapists and friends and marketers. One of your friends said he felt so lonely talking to the AI.

34:48So do you feel more or less worried about the capabilities? I would say more worried than when I started, although I was fairly worried at the beginning. Why is that? I think partly because there's a lot of talk about sort of the big AI safety issues, the more Doom-related issues or the kill switch or this and that, but less about sort of the daily infiltration of AI into our lives and what we want to do with that and what that's going to mean for us to be human. And I think voices actually sort of brings that to light in a way that just typing into a chat box or sending an email that ChatGPT has composed doesn't, in that you're going to be interacting with AI voices.

35:33You're going to be hearing AI voices that are almost real, very real, sound real, can fool you. And the question is, how much of that do we want in our lives? And I just think that discussion is not even happening. Like, there's AI therapists out in the world right now. Right. But your friends were not fooled, necessarily. I mean, they weren't, right? Correct? Because it doesn't really mimic you that well. It mimics me well. I mean, not for my oldest friends. I mean, I had one friend who spoke to it for 10 minutes, believing that it was me, but that I had had a mental health break. Okay. And on that note, Scott?

36:13Nice to meet you, Evan. My sense is, so the entertainment community is really worried about AI replacing actors and podcasts at some point. They listen to Kara and me and then start mimicking. We feed into the LLMs, today's or this week's news, and it throws in a dick joke. Kara gets angry at me. Kara talks about somebody she knows. And then, boom, we put out a reasonable facsimile of Pivot. and pretty soon Vox no longer needs Kara and Scott. I have found that is not the case, that it is shockingly anodyne and so far hasn't made the progress that everyone was worried about. You've been there. A, do you agree with that?

36:58And B, what advice would you have for creatives who are looking to inoculate themselves as this gets better? Is it being more salty, differentiated? Advise your kids, if they're creators, on how they stave off the advances in AI. Well, I mean, I would agree with you that it is fairly anodyne. I mean, the sort of running joke of the show is that when you have them speak at length, it becomes incredibly anodyne. So for instance, we have them talk to each other. They have these conversations that are sort of unbelievably mundane. But on the other hand, I think the problem is for many, take podcasting, for example, there are so many people speaking into microphones now and many of them are just mimicking each other.

37:42And when the content that is being created is itself anodyne, it's relatively easy to replace. So I think part of the problem is we've dumbed down much of what we consider journalism on the internet to a level that it actually is replaceable by an anodyne LLM or a voice-powered LLM. And so if I was giving advice, it would be to try to find unique ways to express yourself that are not based on everything that you hear every day. Because the problem is people are just mimicking what they're hearing. I mean, you can go on Instagram and just get clip after the algorithm, just feed you, clip after clip of people saying literally the same thing in different forums.

38:25And so I think uniqueness is going to be at a premium because even if it can replicate your voice, it's going to have a much harder time replicating that creativity, which doesn't mean that creativity is necessarily safe. Like the more creative you are, the safer you are. But I do think that the more anodyne what you're doing is, the easier it is for it to be replaced. Right. But it's like the emails you get that aren't very good, right? They're not interesting as writing yet, at the very least. You wish it could do something else? I was surprised. And I think a lot of people who have listened to the show are surprised at how good it is, actually.

39:05Like, I think as much as tech journalists write about LLMs, they write about open AI and what's the new model and this and that, most people are not consuming all that stuff. And when they find out that you can make a voice clone that sounds reasonably like you, that is powered by AI and can have its own conversations, a lot of people are quite shocked and concerned about that. So I found that in that sense, it's actually more powerful right now than a lot of people think it is. Now we say, well, it can't do this, it can't do that, it can't act in a movie, it can't actually be a journalist. But even it's sort of pushing the boundaries of those things too.

39:45Like I had to conduct interviews, interviews that I would have conducted. And the fact is like some of the questions that I would ask, that I would put into a document for myself to ask, it's pretty good at asking those questions. It's not very good at following up. But even some of the people I talked to, they didn't know it wasn't me because they're expecting a journalist to ask questions and that's what they got. But that's being you. I would like it to be like Jarvis on, you know, on the Avengers movies like that, where I have a discussion, do this for me, do that for me. I could see that being much more attractive than it being me.

40:19Like a digital assistant kind of thing? Yeah, that seems very logical to me and very helpful, actually. You produce this show independently. I'd love to know a little bit of why you decided to do this Of course you were the long time host along with others of Longform You also did Persona, the French Deception And you also did a very famous thing way back when About 12 years ago I guess Where you vanished You vanished and Wired had a reward when you worked for Wired I think you worked for Wired But you were off the grid communicating Which I remember that at the time They eventually found you in the challenge to get you.

40:58You left a coded message, et cetera. You've done a lot of different things, obviously. That was honestly my favorite, The Vanishing. You and many people. Yeah. Talk about why you decided to do this independently and about the end of long form, which was, I think, in June. I think June is when it ended. It was, yeah, right at the end of June. I mean, there's a long answer to a short answer when it comes to doing it independently. I think the shortest answer is I knew what I wanted to do and I wanted to have complete control over how it was made. I mean, if you listen to the show, it's like a lot of it is very weird and it's very funny because we kind of push the boundaries on these strange ways you can use it, like having a talk to therapy or having a talk to itself.

41:40and I just didn't want, in this day and age, when you do a podcast with a big platform, a lot of people get involved and they have a lot of opinions and they're very institutional. And so some of those opinions are, they're not really willing to take risks. And I was very happy to take risks and I didn't want anyone telling me not to. That's the basic answer. Well, welcome to our club. That's what we don't like. What? That's what we say. We often are like, are you speaking to us? Because we're not listening to you. So I did, we built a Prop GAI And one of the things I found, I'm curious if you believe this or found the same thing.

42:14I find that AI is progressive or woke is the wrong term. It's politically correct. And that it's been trained on, I think because these companies are worried about, you know, everybody tried to start getting it to say racist things or say stupid things. Which it did. Which it did. But as a result of that, I think it's built in so many protections that I find that it errs on the side of being very overly sensitive is the term. I found it that it's overcorrecting to the, I don't know, like your stepmother or your mother-in-law doesn't want to say anything that might offend people. Even when occasionally Kara and I will say to somebody, that's just fucking stupid.

43:02It would never say that. Did you find that it kind of errs on the side of being overmannered or politically correct? That's what I found. It's certainly overmannered. I didn't really explore the political correctness or the wokeness aspect of it. Like that's not a big interest of mine, but it did, when it came to being well-mannered, I would take it even further, which is that, so for instance, when we had two of them talk to each other, so there's two AI versions of me in conversations with each other, and I would prompt one to be angry at the other. I would say, you're angry at the other one.

43:34You're angry at this person you're about to talk to. The reason is up to you. they would resolve their differences within a minute or two of the conversation. And I believe that's because, and they would often do it using mental health terminology that I think the training data tends to center on. There's so much discussion of mental health now. There's so much discussion of mirroring back what someone says that it would use all these techniques. And I would have to really prompt it very severely for it to stay mad. I literally have to say, there is nothing that will make you let go of this anger.

44:07and then it would do it. But short of that, they would always come to an agreement. It was actually quite lovely, but it was also, there was something very strange and funny about it. Well, although I would argue if you had real people not on Twitter and you had them in a room, that's exactly what they do. People don't, you know, they'll do it on a social network, start really going down a rabbit hole of anger and rage. But when you have two people in a room, they tend to try to come to an agreement. I don't know. I've always noticed that, which I think is the difference between online and offline sometimes.

44:39Certainly in person. Yeah. I mean, it all highlights a value of in-person communications. I mean, the whole thing points to what you get when you sit across the table from someone. Right. Right. It's very hard to get people, except if you're on Jerry Springer's show, but that's all designed for bullshit. But I have one more question. What will you have the AI do in season two of this? I'm not sure yet. I mean, the question is, will I even And will season two even be AI driven? I mean, the sort of premise of the show is it's a show about things that are not what they seem. So that covers a lot of my journalism over the last 10 to 20 years.

45:17Yeah, it does. So it may be AI. I mean, I'm surprised the extent to which people love the AI agent. Like they want to hear more of it. They want more calls. They want it to be prompted in different ways. People want to call it. Now I have people, people can call it and talk to it and people love doing that. And so there's something in that that I might explore further. But I also I don't want to be the AI voice guy forever either. Yeah, that's true. I mean, it's interesting for now. In two, 10 years, I'll be bored with it. Like, why would you want to talk? You know what I mean? Sort of trying certain things.

45:49Scott, last question. Curious after getting deep here, what jobs do you think are most at risk? And if and what businesses would you advise people to consider starting, leveraging this technology? I mean, the most obvious thing that's immediately at risk is all sorts of call center based telemarketing stuff. I mean, that's the stuff that it's used for right now. So that's an obvious one. But I think anything where people are just sort of reading off a script. I mean, a lot of the a lot of the advertising you're going to hear is going to have voices in it. Be surprised if you're not hearing that already a little bit.

46:25I mean, you both probably know, like, there are podcasters who use this to fill in parts of podcasts using clone voices like that. is already happening right now. There's a major podcast platform that tried to launch an AI hosted podcast. And so this doesn't mean like podcasting is under threat necessarily, but I think they're going to infiltrate. It's going to be much less sort of like everyone getting wiped away in an industry and much more just sort of like little places where it starts to be to infiltrate. And then it kind of grows out from there. We were thinking of translation, right, Scott, the idea of translating it.

46:59Well, that's an easy one. You can now you can now put almost any podcast and even the video, it doesn't get the eye movement right, but you can do it with other languages. But the customer service is really what Evan was talking about. It's just crazy how much more efficient I've been using all these bots for airlines or whatever you call them, chat agents. It's been really striking. Do you think there really is a threat? Do you think that the fear of the writers unions about an AI in these writers and we're putting together a writers room and and the showrunner said should we have AI in the room and I said no you should have people know how to use AI in the room just for brainstorming do you think that their fears are overblown underblown I don't think they're overblown I mean I think it's very smart to try to have discussions about this before it's absolutely everywhere.

47:56Because the risk is like it's being put into the market without any of these discussions. And so places, unions and other places - Wow, that's never happened before in tech, but go ahead. Right, exactly. And so anywhere where these discussions could be had, whether it's around trying to ban it from writer's rooms or whatnot, it doesn't necessarily mean like it has no place there or it has no place in getting you past a writing block or prompting creativity or whatever. Like without condemning the technology, I feel like having the discussion, well, what do we want out of these rooms? What do we want out of human writing?

48:26Those are discussions that are worthwhile to have. Yep. That's a fair point. Anyway, does your voice have another name? Evan 2? Evan AI? Well, for the purpose of the show, it was always me. So it's just AI Evan Ratliff. But oftentimes it was just operating under Evan Ratliff until questions. All right. Okay. Evan Ratliff. That's interesting. Anyway, we really appreciate it. It's a really cool podcast. It's called Shell Game. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you, Evan. Thanks, Evan. Thanks for having me. All right, Scott, what'd you think of that? That guy's impressive. He should be on TV.

48:59He's got a great voice. He's very handsome. Yeah, it's obviously very talented. Yeah, the long form is amazing. But I found it really interesting what he was saying about trying to get the AIs to be angry at each other. But what people don't realize, there's only three things you need to have in your arsenal for all conflict at resolution. When things get really heated, you pick one of the following three things. You just pause, you look at them in the eyes and you say, I'm taking the kids, I'll be at my sister's. That's number one. Number two, number two, man or woman, you pause and you look at them and you say, is that the menopause speaking?

49:35Question mark. And then the third thing, if you really, if things get really heated, you look around and then you look at them and you go, wait, you can see me? Boom! Conflict over. World peace, Kara. You're welcome. I like Scott in this seventh decade of his life. Fifth. I'm seriously, I'm done. We need to stop. The scrotum lift is kicking in. Anyway, whatever. You do whatever you want. You're 29. Okay. All right. Next up, wins and fails.

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51:43okay scott let's hear some wins and fails shall i go first sure go ahead the emmys were delightful i watched i didn't watch it in real time but i thought the outfits were great and i thought it was i thought steve martin at the group from only murders in the building selena gomez steve martin and um martin short he's dating by the way he's dating um a meryl streep he's dating meryl streep So, but not dating? I don't know. It's not confirmed. Whatever. They seem like they're dating. You mean actually in real life? Yes. Just rumored. Oh, no. They're sitting together all the time. They're out. I'm sorry.

52:16Martin Short and Meryl Streep? Mm-hmm. I don't know how I feel about that. But I know. But that's what it has happening. They were sitting together. They've been going to things together. I'm sorry. Sophie chooses Martin Short? I just am not. It's a rumor. But I'm just telling you. Yeah. I think it's so. Anyway, the Emmys were really delightful. There's so much good television. Baby Render, they both won. Yeah. Jean Smart winning for Hacks. I just love it. She gave a great speech. I thought it was, TV is really, even though the economics of it have changed drastically and not in the better. It's great for consumers.

52:50Yeah, it is. I got to say Hacks is so good. Jean Smart, that's my win. My fail is Elon Musk and Donald Trump tweeting very dangerous things around people's, I hate Taylor Swift. and the threat against Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. It's repulsive. You cannot, you need to stand the fuck down. I don't think you will because you're both toddlers, but it's dangerous. It's actually dangerous. You can make as many memes as we want about this thing, but it's not funny. You're not funny. You're only funny to the people you pay and they don't think you're funny really. And they have to laugh. They're forced to laugh.

53:28So that's my fail. Nice. Yeah, I wanted, I was really excited about, I thought Richard Gad, if I think about all the artists who have really changed the world or I admire, they're just sort of fearless and they do something that could easily be mocked and they show a level of vulnerability and courage where it's like, okay, no one ever thought of that. And this guy, Richard Gad, I thought his performance, because it was autobiographical, was just so raw. And so I just thought it was so powerful. I couldn't, anyway, I really happened for him. And also, I believe his counterpart, the woman who plays the stalker, I believe she also won.

54:10Hiroyuki Sonata won for Shogun. By the way, Shogun record 18 Emmy wins, just so you know. Oh, it did. I didn't know that. But what people, we talk, we should post a lot about, you know, how stupid the union is or I do or how these companies are becoming a shadow of themselves and consolidating because Netflix is running away with it. But what we don't mention enough is that the biggest winner here are the consumers, because the quality and depth of original scripted television right now is just insane. It's just incredible because they're all in a content war and they're all basically putting each other out of business, quite frankly, with the exception of Netflix.

54:48Anyways, I'm like you. This is a weird one, but I wanted to share it because I thought it was interesting. There's this wonderful TikToker reels of this woman who has alopecia and she's talking about, she goes out with a wig on for the first time and she does a 30 second video showing her hair loss. And she's very emotional. And she's saying that this is the first time in a decade I've gone out without a wig to run errands and I'm not going to let alopecia change my life. It's really a wonderful, very gripping TikTok or I can't remember if it was TikTok or real. And I remember thinking, I was looking at this woman, she had this most beautiful skin, a great smile.

55:25And it's like, yeah, people are going to look at her and think, oh, okay, she has hair loss. But then they really, they look at the whole thing and they think she's an attractive woman who looks nice. She had the great nails. And what I would say, and I so related to this, because I remember when I was a young man, when I started losing my hair, and it was like five years of just ridiculous stress. Because for me, it meant kind of my manhood, my youth. My hair was something I took a lot of pride in. I had a ponytail. You had spectacular hair. I was amazed by those photos. I did. And when you start losing it for a lot of reasons, it's just devastating.

56:05And like so many things, what I realize now and what I would want to try and communicate to people, especially young men and also especially young women, a lot of whom experience hair loss, but they have to wear wigs because it's unforgivable for a woman to lose her hair in the eyes of a very luxist America. America, I can promise you the thing you're going to regret is how upset you were about it. And that people, when they look at you, they look at the whole thing. And there's, you can be in shape. You can take great care of your skin. You can, you can dress interestingly. There's so many people look at the entire thing and anything to do with my looks or insecurity, my acne, when I was younger, my hair loss when I was a little bit older.

56:53The thing I really regret about it is how upset I was. I don't regret the acne. I don't, I mean, I would rather not had it. I don't regret the hair loss. Yeah, I would rather have, I would rather have George Clooney like hair, but what I regret is how upset I was. And I wanted to reach into TikTok and tell this woman, let me be clear, guys look at you and they think, oh, there's a nice woman that I would like to know or date. Yeah, you have hair loss, but that's it. They don't, they look at the whole package. Hair is a lot of power. You know, it does. But let me just tell you, I think you look very good without hair.

57:31I think you look just as good. I think you look very stately. You know, Patrick Stewart, think about all the people who look fantastic. I so look like that alien from close in. I look like, I look so like that guy. But anyways, I stand. Whatever. Whatever. I think I think you look great. I think you look great. And go ahead. I have hair transplant in the form of money. I have long flowing locks. Scott, that birthday just showed that's not why people like you. Go ahead. You're being generous. But what I want, it's impossible to communicate this to people. You can tell them until they're blue in the face.

58:08But anyone who's struggling with something about their aesthetics, that's not what you're going to regret. regret. You're going to regret how much you beat yourself up over it. And there's so many different ways to be attractive. Unfortunately, there's more ways for a man to be attractive. If a man is funny, does well professionally, it is interesting. Unfortunately, women are mostly evaluated based on their aesthetics, but there's so many different ways to express aesthetics. This TikTok really moved me and I thought I can totally relate to this woman. Okay. All right. Well, we will watch this.

58:45I guess I did two wins. Baby reindeer. That's okay. Baby reindeer and shogun and this young woman's courage. And I wanted to like wrap my arms around her and go, trust me on this. People look at you and think you're an attractive woman and I'd like to know you or I'd like to date you. And that's all you got to be focused on. That's it. All right. It's so interesting what affects you, Scott Gallo. I have to tell you, you're always a surprise to me. by the way I forgot one win and fail is you're cheating on me with Jessica Tarloff and I love it see that's a win and a fail that's generous of you you're being very supportive I think people are I mean I know people are tuning in for her but yeah we talked about it last week but it's done very well people seem to like it so tune in tune in raging moderates we're raging we want to hear from you send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind go to nymag.com slash pivot to send a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT okay Scott That's the show.

59:39We'll be back on Tuesday with more Pivot. Please read us out. Today's show is produced by Lara Neiman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie and her Todd engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows and Mils Severio. Nishat Kerouaz, Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com slash pod. We'll be back later this week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Young people, if there's something about your physical appearance that's giving you, making you insecure, that keeps you up at night, trust me on this.

1:00:14You're going to look back and the only thing you're going to be upset about is how upset you were. Figure out a way and there's a million different ways to be attractive to others and most importantly, attractive to yourself.