Zuck Under Pressure, Presidential Debate Rules, and New Covid Vaccines

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27:08Okay, boys, we're back. COVID has reshaped our relationship with work in so many ways. And for people suffering from long COVID, career paths have been dramatically derailed, according to a new article in the Journal. Economists estimate that long COVID has pushed about one million Americans out of the labor force. More than 5 % of adults in the U.S. have long COVID and is the most prevalent among people in their prime working years. The federal government has said long COVID can be classified as a disability, allowing workers to seek accommodations like remote work and flexible hours. Jeff, talk a little bit about what's happening on the ground now and then long COVID in specifics.

27:40And George, as someone who's experienced long COVID, I'd love to hear from you. Go ahead. Yeah. So first, let me just briefly talk about the vaccine is available soon. It's the new vaccine covers the most common variant right now. It's the Omicron KP21. That's the vaccine. That's the variant that the vaccine now covers, which is going to cover the most common forms of COVID. The most common 37 % of COVID cases are KP311. And, you know, like the influenza virus, the COVID virus changes its surface proteins. It's called the spike proteins. And so you need to be updated on the vaccine. Vaccines give you about four months of durable immunity.

28:24That's why it's important to get your boosters as well. But everybody, six months they're older, should get this new vaccine. And the issue of long COVID is really important. They estimate that 30 % of people have some form of long COVID symptoms who've had COVID. And about 1 % to 5 % of people have serious long-term COVID symptoms. And I think a lot of it goes unrecognized as just depression, fatigue, anxiety. But these are all possibly elements of long COVID. And it affects literally every body system. Every organ system is affected by long COVID. It's your neurologic system. It's your kidneys.

29:02It's your liver. It's your skin. it's your joints, all these things. And it's a real thing. Off the top of my head, I have two colleagues who I really respect and admire. One is a surgeon and one is a nurse that I work with, who have basically been unable to work. One retired, basically just felt that he couldn't continue feeling the way he was feeling. Brain fog is a really important element of long COVID. And fortunately for him, he's got so many hobbies and interests, and he's my age. And so it's, you know, maybe it was time to think about retiring. And people didn't take it seriously. Correct, George?

29:39I mean, this is something you had. I have several friends who have it, who've written about it. Jen Senior, Laura Holson, and very severe. And a lot of people, they still suffer from people not believing them in some like the same thing with Lyme disease or some of the other diseases in this genre of I'm tired. Right. Essentially. Talk a little bit about your experience. Oh, Jeff, you just brought me back to some of the things that I was feeling at the time, neurological. I couldn't go out in certain public, I would start to have a nervous system breakdown on a subway or in a theater. That's where I had my first panic attack.

30:24And this was, this had never, I had no history of this whatsoever. And then the feeling that I'm having a heart attack. I couldn't be around other people, which just sort of added crowds of people, I should say, which just sort of added to the loneliness isolation aspect, which is part of this, you know, long COVID effect. How did it progress? I the heart attack feeling, the panic feeling, the neurological, all of that stuff and the fatigue, there was brain fog. And eventually we're going back two years and eventually just kind of, um, over time, when I went to the COVID care center at Mount Sinai, the doctor with whom I spoke believed me.

31:10And as I gave her my litany of symptoms, nodded her head. She was the first one. She kind of nodded her head and she said, we're seeing a ton of this. Uh, so if it makes you feel less lonely in your experience, let that be a comfort, which it was. And she said, the bad news is that there is nothing you can do. You just kind of have to ride it out. And that was a pain in the ass. But eventually she was right. She said it could be six months, could be a year. It was out a year out before I started to feel sort of normal. When you're in medical school, one of the things you learn to differentiate and understand the difference between signs and symptoms, right?

31:48So symptoms are things like that you're feeling like fatigue, my muscles hurt. You know, these are more of the subjective things. There are actually signs of as well. And signs are things like fever, you know, elevated heart rate, you know, laboratory studies, elevation sedimentation rate in your blood, et cetera. And more and more as people are studying this, they're really understanding that long COVID has both signs and symptoms. And so doctors are more astute now about looking for those signs because they're objective as well as the subjective sensations and believing people when they say exactly what George experienced.

32:26I could not have worked in an office. I was I had the good fortune of doing whatever I do to make a living from home or wherever. But working in an office would have been a problem. Louis, I'm just curious. You are going to get your COVID-19 vaccine, I hope. But you're an adult. How do younger people, I don't think younger people are thinking about this. It's sort of like a flu vaccine or whatever. The CDC will recommend that adults and children six months and older get updated vaccines. How do you look at it? Well, I mean, I think for a lot of people my age and maybe more people in general, every once in a while we get a little bit of a cold or a cough or something like that.

33:06And we're all like, oh, oh, wait, could it be the old friend? You know, are they back? But yeah, I think there's definitely, especially people with someone important in their lives or some kind of purpose, if they go to work, if they live with their grandparents or they have people within their network that are more susceptible. I think people who care, care and people who don't, don't. So I'm definitely a bit behind. I probably definitely do for a new vaccine. So I'm gonna get on top of that. I actually, you know what? Maybe even to answer your question even better, I didn't even know there was a new vaccine until just now.

33:37So maybe that's an answer in itself. Okay. Well, they need to roll out that information thing. People ignore COVID at their own risk. I mean, it is a... Get like Ryan Reynolds to do a campaign or something like that, a nice, like, handsome advertisement to grab all our attention. That's who you would convince to. When should you take it, Jeff? I've been told by my doctors that you should take it later in September, not to wait. And then again, the booster again and the flu vaccine again in January, February. So a couple of things. You can take several vaccines at the same time. There's no contraindication to getting the flu vaccine and the COVID vaccine at the same time.

34:17If you've had COVID in the last three months, don't get the vaccine until about three months have expired. And not that it's dangerous to get it. The thing is that the actual fact of having COVID is going to give you immunity. So you want to it's like putting gas in your car after you went, you know, like one one exit. There's no point in doing that. Wait till your gas tank is low and then fill it up again with your vaccine. So you should get it. I mean, there's a spike in the winter of covid and it's for several reasons. One is temperature and the other is that people tend to be inside more and it's more transmissible between people.

34:51So you should get it as soon as it's available, provided that you haven't had covid in the last three months. Yeah, I'm definitely going to. Am I more susceptible? I'm just curious if I'm more susceptible since I've never had it to it. Probably, yeah. Actually, you probably are. You probably are, yeah. I mean, there are certain people who have just natural immunity. And, you know, the fact that you haven't, I've had it three times. So the last time I had it was in May. I get everything else. Don't worry. I get everything else, which is interesting. Just not this one. It's interesting. What should Robert F.

35:22Kennedy do, Jr.? I mean, what should he do? He should just disappear from the public space is what he should do. He should eat a bear with COVID and then he'll be immune or something like that. Natural immunity. Thoughts on him, Louis? Do you have any thoughts on him? Oh, God. I don't know. I mean, talk about nepotism. You know, it takes one to know one. He just backed Trump, just so you know. This guy is ridiculous. I'm glad that he's out of the race. Well, he's not out of the race, Louis. He's not. He's not. I mean, obviously he's not. He's stepped down, but he's just stepped to the side. I think he went with whoever's most viable and whoever's going to give him a job.

35:58Didn't he make some ultimatum with both campaigns that I'll give you my endorsement if you give a job? The only problem is that, like, Harris would have made him, like, the janitor or, like, you know, the guy who holds the towels in the bathroom or something like that. But Trump's going to make him, like, undersecretary of health? What the fuck? No, he made him his transition, campaign transition, along with the other nut job, Tulsi Gabbard. Oh, that's a great combo. But like I think, you know, if Trump wins, like that was it. Was that not the job he promised him? Like what the hell is going on?

36:28And also like all these stories that are coming out about him that he's professing himself for insane. I mean, I was gone like when the worm I was gone. I was never on board. But like after the worm thing, I was like, OK, and then the bear thing happened. And it's like, OK, now I wonder where the worm came from, you know, you forgot the whale head, the whale head. Oh, the whale head. Yeah. I just heard about that. Like, who the hell is this guy? He really, like, I don't know, a renaissance man of types. Two things about that. It's not like he needs a gig. He's a Kennedy. Yeah, yeah. All right.

36:58And also, do you guys notice that Trump world seems to be where people go when they run in some kind of popularity contest and find out that they're actually not all that popular and people don't like them? So their sort of, like, consolation dumpster is Mar-a-Lago. Like, they all want—it's like a drain catch. Right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like participation trophy central or something like that. But you know what? I'll tell you what, Kara, on a serious note about Kennedy, the vaccine thing is really serious. And if you look at states, this is a really interesting statistic. If you look at states that have vaccine opt outs, and the state of Oregon is a good example, 8.5 % of people in Oregon have opted out for their children to get the measles vaccine.

37:44And what do we just see? A massive measles outbreak. And measles is no joke. And people who get measles encephalitis can die. So there is real world ramifications of being a vaccine denier. Yeah, I had someone I know said that to me who had children. And they were not going to, you know, vaccines, vaccines. And I said, you know, they want to do a play date. I go, not on this fucking earth ever. Like, you're a fucking idiot. Right, right. That's the whole point of vaccines. It's not just you. It's everybody around you. I just started to hear the whole litany of nonsense, which, again, back to Mark Zuckerberg.

38:19It's fine to take down bad information, Mark. It's OK. You can do it. You just hold hands. We'll do it together. But here's an interesting thing. Parenting is stressful, according to a new warning from U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy. Murthy says in his latest advisory that parents are currently under dangerous levels of stress. He's calling for policy changes in the form of child income tax credits, universal preschool and paid family and medical lease. Also encouraging family and friends and family to offer support for parents and to prioritize their own self-care. I like this. Murti has issued advisories in the past on gun violence, loneliness and social media effect on kids.

39:00Louis, what do you think you should do for your mom to make her feel better? Do I seem stressed? Yeah, I mean, you do so much. I don't know how you wouldn't be. I mean, you have a lot on your plate. But I think it's really amazing to see how parents hold up. And I think parents are like, yeah, I mean, like people talk about a lot, but like family units are really, really important to have. And the fact that I've been able to have such a lucky one with my amazing Uncle Jeff, my amazing mother, Kara, and of course, the incredible George Han, a real father figure. I'm gonna cry. I think it's just, it's a really important thing.

39:34And it's only when you don't have it that you don't realize, you realize how important those things are. And I'm somebody who has definitely grown up in the bubble of luck and privilege and fortune. And I think that when you go out in the world and you meet people who just don't have those same things, it really impacts your perspectives a lot. And yeah, parents definitely are under stress. And I think that it's about time that the government started helping out parents again with these tax credits, these kind of subsidies. Yeah. Yeah. Well, except for J.D. Vance is talking about how the Democrats are anti-family.

40:06He's talking about childless people, which is different. Yeah, the thing is that he's a fucking moron. And like he doesn't speak for any sense of majority of Americans. And he's just using these important core issues, these important tenets of our of our cultural structure to gain power. And it's just another fascist tactic that we need to watch out for. He's manipulating us. And if we fall for it, we're just simply stupid. Yeah, it's not working for him. Well, for some of us, but like, hey, like we have family members who are on board with these kind of messages and are perpetuating them. And that is scary.

40:40And it makes us feel vulnerable as a nation. And I think that, yeah, it's a really sensitive and important issue. And it can be manipulated or it can be treated. And I think people like Tim Walz are on the tree. You like that Walz, don't you? Yeah, I've been a fan of him for a long time. I mean, why the hell isn't lunch free at school? Breakfast too. Why not? Kids can't learn if they are hungry. And it's important. And I think, like I said, if the Democrats focus again on policy and they focus on delivering for the American people, not in ways that are unseen, like through tax credits and stuff like that or tax changes, but in actual ways where their kid doesn't come home hungry, I think they can make a lot of difference and they can also help our nation and they can get that support that they want so badly.

41:21And let me say, Louis is a very big support system for our little kids. For example, we're going to Scott's birthday party and Louis and his girlfriend Ivy are going to be taking care of the kids. This is the kind of thing that really helps. So we can sit and drink whiskey in kilts in Scotland for Scott's birthday. Exactly. Families aren't just parents. It's a whole network. This is interesting because the stuff that Vance is doing is so offensive. He's obsessed with family units in the weirdest fucking way I've ever seen. But isn't everyone, George, stressed out these days, regardless of who you are and what you do as a childless cat lady yourself?

41:58Yeah. Well, dog, I'm a childless dog lady. I'm looking at them right now. They look, we have gone through nine seasons of the Trump show. We're exhausted. He's exhausting. He's like, you know, with all due respect to Jackie Mason. But Jackie Mason didn't change a line of his act for the last probably 10 years of performing. Trump's act is tired. He's exhausting. I think people are sick of him. And then you got to pile on a pandemic on top of that. It's been a lot, right? It has been a lot. And is it a mystery to me that people are burnt out, freaked out, stressed out, exhausted? No. And then this election is exhausting.

42:45I cannot wait. I'm so glad it's shorter. Oh, can we do like the British? Isn't their election season like six weeks? Yes, exactly. That is gorgeous. It's regulated. Gorgeous. There's only so much they can spend. And yeah, lovely. So Jeff, with parenting, is it an actual health issue? Because, and, you know, Louis, I don't know if you have this, but younger people are having less kids because of these issues. Go ahead, Jeff. Listen, I have kids, you know, three of my children are, you know, 31, 29, and 26, and not one of them is talking about getting married or my oldest one, maybe. But yes, it's stressful.

43:21And I think it's, listen, we're in the first generation of parents who actually grew up with social media. And I think that has a lot to do with it. I mean, you've talked about this a lot, about the impact of social media. And I think it's, I really welcome the Surgeon General's report because that's his job to give advisories like this. And I think it's an issue when people are feeling isolated. And the other thing is the comparison issue. The comparisons are odious. When you have the ability to have Instagram and all these things that they grew up with, these parents now, they're overscheduled.

43:52And there are a lot of helicopter parents out there. My wife, you know, is a second grade teacher and she sees this is the degree of overscheduling of their children. I mean, soccer things where we used to go by ourselves to go play tennis or play soccer. Now parents are driving their kids like 200 miles on a weekend and multiple times joining all these things, which, you know, increases stress. And plus remember, there are two people working now. And most families now have two parents working as opposed to when we grew up in the 1960s. That was less common. And also village, you know, it takes a village to raise children.

44:29And I think less and less that people see that. And also social institutions are breaking down clubs and civic organizations. I mean, you remember our grandparents were involved in so many things, Rotary Club, Mason, etc. You just don't see that anymore. And I think we need to go back to a society which actually values elders and it values other people to help you raise your children. I suspect the next generation will want kids because it's interesting because Clara talks about having kids a lot. Louis, I think you want to have kids, correct? No, definitely. Well, I mean, not now, obviously. It's one more year of college.

45:05Yeah, not now, please. I think it's definitely, I mean, it varies person to person. There's a lot of people my age who the idea of that is really repulsive to them and they don't want anything to do with it. They don't want to bring kids into this world like in the current state of affairs. Me personally, I don't mind. I'm really excited for that part of my life, and I can wait for it as long as there's need. But I'm looking forward to it, and I think right now I'm getting myself ready for that stage of my life where I can really deliver for the coming generation. You may not have kids right now.

45:36I can't deal with it. Yes, take your time. Oh, what? I thought the podcast paycheck would help out. No, I'm just kidding. There is no paycheck. This is really important stuff, and it's really, as families change in the definition of family changes, I think our understanding of it was going to have to change. It's not, you know, not very long ago that marriages like what you have right now, mom, were illegal, where people like me couldn't exist on this earth because of government regulation and because of the control of others over people's lives. And I think that's a very not so distant past. And as the definition of what a family changes is, I think we need to realize, like I said earlier, it's a community, not just two parents.

46:17It's a village, not just one or two individuals. And it's often better when it's like that. So yeah, for those who are lucky enough to have that experience, like, like, you know, why would we get in the way of that? You're a thoughtful young man, Louis Swisher. Thoughtful young. I highly recommend children if you have wonderful kids like you and the others. But let me say my greatest, saddest moment, and I don't have that many of them, is when Proposition 8 passed, the marriage law in California, and you were very young And you said, can we not be a family anymore? It was really, I don't think you remember this, but.

46:47I remember that vividly. I remember that. I remember the campaign posters everywhere. I remember our neighborhood, the Castro, reacting vehemently to this decision. And also the state of California overturning that as well. And the people reacting to those kind of regulations. I think often people can get caught up in their daily lives and their paychecks and their habits and hobbies. And then they don't really realize what's happening until it's happened. Like I said before, America is a reactionary society. And sometimes to our own fault, we have to watch things happen before we change them with Roe v.

47:16Wade, with Proposition 8. But that doesn't mean we're not going to react, and that doesn't mean we can still change things for the future. So I'm feeling hopeful. Yeah, I agree. The other thing, I'll tell one story about Louis. We were in a Macy's looking at a couch, a sectional couch, the one we bought, actually. And there were some tourists in Macy's sitting on the couch with us, clearly not from San Francisco. And Louis looked at them straight in the eye and went, mama, mommy, mama, mommy, and pointed to us. And they were like, because they did not understand our family, and you could see it.

47:49And he did it at a very young age. That was one of my favorite moments. Was their last name Vance? No, no. By the way, another group of people struggling are teachers. As kids go back to school, teachers are dealing with student behavior problems, cell phones in classrooms, AI-powered cheating, low salaries and more. The number of teachers who say stress and disappointment in the job are worth it are 42%, down from 70 % in 2018, according to the nonprofit think tank RAND. Louis, we talked about you becoming a teacher, but, and Jeff, your wife is a teacher. Not just my wife, my daughter as well.

48:22My daughter also, yeah. So I'd love first you, Jeff, to talk about this. Which is the biggest deal for her? Cell phones? She's in a younger age, so probably cell phones and AI cheating is not. No, not in second grade. And Kate teaches pre-K. Well, actually, now she's in the Dominican Republic teaching elementary students. So the biggest problem, I think, with teachers and the whole burnout issue is people expect a lot out of teachers now. I mean, they're sort of loco parentis in a lot of ways. The other thing, parents have very high expectations of teachers as well. And, you know, I asked Anna this question last night, and she said that the teachers that have burnout are the ones that don't find the joy in the teaching.

49:07She loves teaching, and so does my daughter, and they really get joy out of it, and they're energized by it. If you're going into teaching and you see it as, you know, because you get a pension and a paycheck, even though it's not a great paycheck, it's still a pretty good lifestyle. But I mean, as you know, you've seen her. My wife works till seven, eight at night on everything. And she thinks about it constantly. So the burnout is, I think, from the teachers who feel like they're under the gun and are not getting joy out of it. But most teachers I know really love it. Yeah, really love it. Louis, why are you considering it?

49:45Well, I don't know. I think it's definitely something that's been on my mind for a while, for the past couple of years, and just one career path that has just consistently remained interesting. You know, I've been studying and learning my whole life. So the one thing that stands out to me about teachers is that they never stop learning. And I think that's something I really appreciate and something I admire and maybe something I would like. Yeah, I think, and also like I've been lucky enough to have just such a fantastic education over my entire life at these really wonderful and let's be honest, like elite exclusive schools.

50:14And I think that the fact that they are so elite and exclusive is a real shame. And if I can leak any of their educational secrets, even if they're not so exemplary, I think that would be great. I would just love to pass on and help educate the coming generations if I can. I have to say, having this short experience so far with Claire in the D.C. public school, she's going to the service is so much better. I have to say they're wonderful, wonderful teachers so far. George, does Tim Walz change the equation here with teachers? The idea like he's the sort of perfect teacher in a lot of ways. I certainly think he does a lot for the image of a teacher.

50:48You know, I had a lot of I went to an all boys high school. I had in one through eight, I had one male teacher, Mr. Vaisel, our eighth grade teacher taught us math and algebra and all that great stuff. And some of my favorite teachers were male. And Tim Walls, I think, does a great service to the industry, as it were, as a role model, as. Yeah, yeah, he's going to be good for people. Of course, let me just point out what is not to like about him. It's almost. Yeah. Well, you know, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, the two most heinous people on the planet, just started to say some terrible things about him in that regard.

51:30They're a different breed of animal. And let me just say, every accusation is a confession for these people. That's my feeling. I can't speak about Megyn Kelly or Tucker Carlson politely. Politely. None of us can. I want very quickly, and then we have one more topic. Favorite teacher. Name. Jeff. Mrs. Emsley, fourth grade. George. Mary Vandevelde. What did she teach? seventh grade social studies art english history louie bill george freshman year biology and advisor when i was an upperclassman high school gay rights activist um really amazing teacher awesome guy great um mine were two mrs triciniath fourth grade i'm sure she's not living anymore and mrs gilbert seventh grade english amazing oh mrs gilbert was the best too it's just amazing we had carol we had such great teachers we had such great teachers and so important yeah i had It's hard to pick one.

52:21I had so many, actually. Mrs. Shepard, who taught Shakespeare. Oh, not for me. She told me to never write. She was an amazing teacher. She said I was incomprehensible. So that wasn't great. Anyway. I think you told me something once about English teachers, Mom. Yeah, I did. I think you said something good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All English teachers are just failed writers. That's what you said. Yes. Well, in any case, because she told me I couldn't write. Well, too bad, Mrs. Shepard. Although she was hysterical. She was quite a good teacher. Finally, last topic every mother wants to discuss with their son, raw dogging flights.

52:54Raw dogging has become a viral trend this summer. People, mostly men, are challenging themselves to do absolutely nothing on planes. It has nothing to do with penises, just so you know. There's no watching movies, no reading books, no eating or drinking, and sometimes no bathroom breaks, which seems weird. You just stare at the map for the entire flight. Some have described this as a form of meditation or digital detox. I'm going to start with, I want all of you to comment on it very briefly. Louis, you have gone off of a lot of social media, although you do use your phone quite a bit. But what does the word have the same meaning for your generation?

53:27Raw dogging? It means sex. That's what it means. It means sex. A condom with sex. Correct. Unprotected sex. Yes. But, you know, if you want to take that concept and apply it to other things in your life, like having an unprotected experience with the airplane by just sitting through it. or another one I saw was like a band saying they had an uh they were raw dogging a practice session by just listening to the beat tempo the whole time like it's just a concept that explains just general concentration is it really concentrate I don't know how to explain it really but it really just means sex yeah yeah George George I think it's Gen Z's way of unsexifying as many things as possible.

54:08Like kids go get laid, slap some latex on it. But like, I'm not recommending raw dogging in the, in the OG sense of the term, but please go get laid and stop unsexifying absolutely everything. Oh, come on. Like, is any, like looking at people, I'm just like wondering, well, no wonder no one's getting laid. We're dressing like we're up all night cramming for a midterm. Don't raw dog, but go get laid. Okay. All right then. Jeff, any comment? So listen, I look at the raw dogging flight. I'll use a Clint Eastwood film reference, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Okay. The good thing about raw dogging is it's meditation and mindfulness.

54:54If that's how you look at it, that's great. It helps you. The bad is it's not a great idea to sit on an airplane and not drink because you get dehydrated on an airplane. Hello, stroke care swisher. Right. Now, I was going to say that the ugly is if you do not get up and move around on an airplane. And some sister I know did that from London to San Francisco, then San Francisco to Hong Kong. If I recall, you did two flights sequentially. I did. And ended up having a stroke as a result of an embolic event because you did not get up on the airplane. So you need to drink and you need to hydrate and you need to move.

55:32And the other thing too is, I mean, listen, I just watched the entire, I think, episode one and two of season two of dark the last time I flew to Australia and it was the best thing. You know, it's great. I was just going to propose another idea to this, to you boomers. Maybe people are just making funny videos too. They're not actually sitting for flights like that. You know, maybe they're just making TikToks. Oh no, I've seen people do it, Louie. Oh really? I've seen people do it. They stare at the little... The little map, the flight icon and stuff like that. I think... If I remember correctly, if I'm going to dive into the meme archives, is that it came from a modeling paternal figure such as yourself, maybe, Jeffrey, who sit down and just stare at the flight with their khaki shorts with many pockets and older ways.

56:12I think if we listen, like many things, it's just a new idea recycled. It's we learned it from you guys. I don't wear khaki shorts. I know you don't, but men of your era. Men of your era. Yes. I used to maybe. Exactly. But metaphorically, you do. Metaphorically, you wear khaki shorts. Just please, though, another general public service announcement. When you're hydrating, there is no need to carry around a Yeti or a Stanley keg of water. What the actual fuck? I have hot and I have cold. Louis, goddammit. I didn't have a glass of water until I was 35. Listen. And it came out of a garden hose. Like, this whole pressure.

56:54You have to get hydrated. From what? Louie has so much liquid around him at all time. It's crazy. Always, always, always. But I didn't buy no Stanley. I didn't buy no Stanley. I bought a Hydra Flask. I got a Hydra Flask years ago. I stuck with it. You know what I mean? He didn't buy no Stanley, but that's his Christmas present. See that? That's glass. You know what, George? I don't do that because sitting in an operating room for eight hours and if you're drinking a lot, that's a problem. I know it would be. But it's not, you're not training for an Ironman. A sip of water should be sufficient.

57:29All right, gentlemen, one more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.

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1:00:05Okay, we're back. Let's hear some predictions. George first, then Louis, and then Jeff. I think Kamala's going to wipe the floor with Trump's ass, and I don't think it'll be close. Oh, all right. Okay. What's the number? Give me a number. Oh, like what percentage? Yeah, just curious. What's an ass wiping? What's the number of an ass? I think it might be close until like mid-October. And then, yeah. And then I think the spread will be maybe even double digits. Yeah, that's what many people think. Like flirting with 10. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Louie? Yeah, mine is not that far away. I think we're about around a corner in this country, just like we did almost 100 years ago with a reinvestment in American infrastructure and society in a real way that the government can help out a lot of people, helping with almost like a New Deal era.

1:01:00I think that's a prediction, but I think that if this election really goes the way that George Han has predicted, which I think it will as well, considering that there's been a generational argument for people. It's, you know, it's mom and dad in charge now. Well, not now, but soon. Mom and dad, not grandma and grandpa. So I think that's going to be really nice because especially people like me can have an easier conversation with mom and dad than grandma and grandpa maybe. But I think this is going to be a real turning point in America for left or for right, for better or for worse. I'm hoping for better, but I think this is going to be a real pivotal moment for America.

1:01:31I'm leaning positive. Jeff? So, you know, we didn't talk about the whole ketamine issue. Oh, right. We didn't. Sorry. Go ahead. No, no. It's fine because I've talked about it a lot. I was recently on News Nation with Elizabeth Vargas talking about the doctors and the other people who are going to be prosecuted for this. This is Matthew Perry. This is related to Matthew Perry's death of ketamine. Matthew Perry's death, right. And I think that my prediction is we're going to hear a lot more about similar situations with commonly used drugs that I use on a daily basis. For instance, ketamine is a very common intraoperative anesthetic.

1:02:11Fentanyl is another one. And so is propofol. Which killed Michael Jackson. The more and more we hear about— Which killed Michael. Which propofol—well, the misuse of it killed Michael Jackson. And, you know, drowning killed Michael with Matthew Perry. But I think we're going to hear more and more about drugs. Like, we hear a lot about Ozempic and various other drugs. I think that the public has gotten very saturated with hearing about drugs and how dangerous they are and various things like that. And I think that we need to hear more about their actual use so that we don't vilify these substances, but understand, you know, that it's not the drugs, it's how they're used and the people that are using them.

1:02:48Plus, you know, the whole celebrity culture of, you know, him being able to get whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and nobody said no to him. And that's a tragedy. But I mean, I think that, so my prediction is that, you know, we're going to hear more about this in the future and more about drugs in the future and about that we have to be really careful about how we filter this news and understand if I had a dollar for every patient that came, you know, that I see every day says, oh, you know, propofol fentanyl, I'm scared of that. And it's a bet. It's, you know, we really need to educate the public about that.

1:03:16So I hammer that message all the time. My other prediction is Apple 275. Oh, wow. Okay. Your newest stock one. 275. 275. Oh, okay. Anyway, I'm going to the Apple event in September, September 9th. I don't know what they're introducing, but I'm going to go out to Apple way. So I'll tell them you said that. I don't think I have a prediction except Scott Galloway will be back and ready to go. He's dying. He texts me all the time because he really wants to talk about issues. And there's so many going forward to talk about. He's going to have a comment on everything. And we certainly missed him. But you guys did a great job.

1:03:49That's, you know. I want to wish happy birthday, Scott. But it's a significant birthday, I understand. Yeah. And it's not 50. Yeah, yeah, we know. Go with it. It's on the invitation. We're going to be wearing kilts. We are going to say it's 50. Should I not wear anything under the kilt? No rod-dogging it, George. No rod-dogging it. You better not. You better have underwear on or I am not. I'm going to wear a kilt, no skivvies, and I'm going to twirl. Do you know I'm wearing a kilt? Amanda's going to wear a dress. but I'm getting fitted for a kill. Yeah, we're all getting fitted for a kill. The ladies are supposed to wear evening gowns, which I've the last...

1:04:29Have they met you? I know. I've never worn an evening gown in my life. I don't think I have. No, you taught Hillary Clinton about the pantsuit, mom. The pantsuit. I did. I taught her. I'm talking this week with a style expert about political style. We're starting with Kamala. Yeah. Yeah. Good? Bad? Very. I am all here for the tailored Saturday Night Fever suit. I think it's a great look. Yeah. Yeah. She looks good. She's an attractive... She's so attractive that Donald Trump is attracted to her. So we'll see where that goes. He's so attractive that when people see the both of them on a stage together, it's going to do some things to some decisions.

1:05:03Yeah, yeah. Let me be clear, Donald Trump. She would never fuck you. Anyway, and nor will she because she's going to be the president of the United States. No, she will fuck up. She'll fuck him real good come November. We'll see. That's a good point. Good point, Louis. We'll see where that goes. Louis, well played, sir. Anyway, we'll see what happens on the interview tonight and everything else. I hope it'll be a good one. I think she'll probably be fine. That's my prediction. We want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business, tech, or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show or call 855-51-PIVOT.

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