Zuck's Masculine Energy, Bannon vs. Musk, and Wildfires Misinformation

23:54And so it takes longer. Maybe we need to fix that. Right. But you can't blame it for nature, which these winds are a stop from friends of mine say it's just they were the strongest winds they've ever seen. However, they got their climate change. Historically, they've been those winds, if you've ever been in them, are insane. There's been a lot more wind in San Francisco lately. Like, by the way, disturbing amounts of winds. A tree fell on my house. Never in 25 years has that happened. And it wasn't even a Santa Ana wind, which are really kind of, you know, whipsawing. So I just don't know what you would do if you were a public official.

24:31Like, California actually has a really robust, well-invested, well-resourced fire response apparatus. Probably the strongest in the nation. They're not stupid, but I mean, unfortunately, this problem is very nuanced. Los Angeles, I mean, to a certain extent, Los Angeles is an accident and a crazy idea that shouldn't have happened. There's earthquakes there. There's massive droughts there. In Portugal, there's this canyon that is off the coast. And it's famous because of all the incredible surfers who ride the biggest wave in history. It's called Nazare, where the ocean turns into this canyon and then pops up into kind of a weird cliffs on both sides chutes.

25:15So when this tide comes in, it creates these unprecedented water masses that result in 100-foot waves. In L.A., you have, quite frankly, this inhospitable environment with a ton of people living in a desert beneath this very strange anomaly where there's a lot of high pressure and low pressure systems. And when they align just correctly, the high pressure winds go chasing the low pressure, creating a windstorm that gets shot through a narrow craters of passages in form of the mountains and basically creates the mother of all hot air dryers on high. On high with drought. Shooting a 60 or an 80 mile an hour hot wind over the city so literally a match can fly hundreds of yards.

26:08I did some research here and I thought, okay, is this the straw that breaks the camel's back in people, my friend who lost his home in the Palisades has said he got the check the next day and he's done. He's like, he's not gonna rebuild. However, the data shows that most people stay because here's the thing about LA, it's fucking magical. So you get up in February and it's 62 degrees and dry with a light breeze and you think, oh, it's a Saturday. Maybe we'll go to Zuma Beach. Oh, I know. I'm going to go see the LA Philharmonic play Pink Floyd songs at the Hollywood Bowl. I know. I'm going to go see a movie premiere in Century City.

26:53I know. I'm going to have an Uber driver that's ridiculously fucking hot because he just got a callback for season four of Fallout. I mean, the collision of Mexican culture, the entertainment industry, the weather. Can I ask a question? One of the things that is so much wonder, and by some of it's been like this reel in that I used to go take the kids to all the time is gone. All these burned down. All these amazing places have burned down. And let me just tell you, for those who'd never been to Pacific Palteas and parts of Pasadena, Altadena, they're such beautiful places. Some of these houses, it makes the Will Rogers estate, as I said, is so beautiful.

27:33What would you take, Scott? I was asking this to Amanda and everyone at the brunch this weekend. What would you take if you had two hours or an hour? It's funny you said that. I've always said the same thing. Photos and my computer. That's it. I don't know what else. I'm actually pretty healthy that way. I'm not very attracted or attached to things. I'd want photos. I don't want my computer just for practical reasons. But there's nothing in my life, as evidenced by the fact I'm not exaggerating, twice a year I throw up. Your dogs, obviously. Yeah, obviously get the hounds out. But what I've been doing is I've been calling – I want to move to a couple things around solutions.

28:17I mean, one of the things that we're going to have the opportunity to rethink is, quite frankly, a lot of these homes are tinderboxes. On the East Coast, we build with cement or we build with different materials. They build with wood and other things that, quite frankly, are just probably don't make sense. The insurance industry and the relationship between insurance and home value. Can I put these facts in for you before you get to that? Because another crisis involves insurance. J.P. Morgan estimates the total L.A. County losses could be close to$50 billion, while losses insurers will have to pay could top$20 billion.

28:53California has seen major insurers pull back on coverage in recent years due to what one company called rapidly growing catastrophe exposure that's happening in many states, including Florida, too. Most many of these people, their houses are their savings, their equity. So talk a little bit about insurance here. Well, OK, so you've heard my rant on insurance. I think insurance is a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich. So if you're wealthy and you can absorb a hit, I have a bunch of rental properties in Florida. I don't insure them because I could afford to lose them. Now, what's happened in California is the insurance companies, which are private companies, and their job is to return profits to their shareholders, did the math.

29:31They're very smart. Basically, an insurance company does nothing but try and predict the future. And now with AI, I think they can predict it and calibrate it to a much greater confidence interval. And about two, three years ago, they said, this makes no fucking sense. This place is a tinderbox. And California, and you could argue this is overregulation, has put in place in certain areas with certain types of insurance, price caps saying you can't escalate faster than this. So the insurance company said, okay, girlfriend, we're out. And you had a massive number, like hundreds of thousands of homes that got a letter saying, we've canceled your insurance.

30:08This no longer makes any sense for us on a risk adjusted basis, given you live in a high propensity fire zone, so we're out. So California had to Institute, a program where they would back certain insurance policies. Now, effectively, what that is, it's a transfer of wealth from California taxpayers to homeowners. Because as someone who lives near the beach in Florida and is subject to climate change, whatever you want to call it, the reality is I should either pay for those risks or I should move or my home prices should go down. And so there isn't, you know, when things change, I'm not sure you have a birthright to live in a certain city.

30:49This is going to inspire a very interesting conversation around property values, the rights to live somewhere and insurance and climate change and risk. I'm actually quite hopeful. And let me just go back to patting our government officials on the back. A surface area greater than Boston or San Francisco was torched. That's how big this fire was. And to date, it has claimed 11 lives. 24 and more. There's more could come, but because they haven't found everybody. I would imagine in LA County, I don't know how many traffic deaths there are every weekend, but my point is - Incredible so many people didn't die.

31:31That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's a tragedy for those families. That is remarkable. The government's job is to save people and property in a crisis like that in this order. So the primary objective when you have a natural disaster like this is to save people's lives. And they get an A fucking plus here. Not that many people lost their lives. I have to say that the pile on is so disturbing in every way. It's like, can you please stop you people? There's not a moment they don't. Everything is DEI. When there was a plane crash, oh, it was DEI. There's not a disaster. And let me just say to people like Elon Musk, you don't have any fucking solutions.

32:14You just have a lot of frigging complaints, right? And it's not like you immediately go to your same grab bag of hate that really doesn't matter here. And you're taking advantage of people who have a propensity to be very upset and look for blame when what they need is help from people like Jose Andres and the governor and everybody else. So shut the fuck up, some of them. Anyway, that goes to me about sort of manliness. But it moves to solutions. And this is an opportunity for virtue signaling, my favorite thing. Stephen Leder said something, Rabbi Stephen Leder said something that really hit hard to me.

32:47He said, calling people and asking if you can help is not helpful. Because people in this state don't want to be victims. They don't want to think about how you can help me. You don't call and ask how to help. You just help. And one of the things I've really struggled with, and it struck me this time, is I was really curious if UCLA was being affected. And I typed in UCLA evacuation question mark. And the first thing that came up from the fucking Google algorithm was this TikTok from some sophomore there calling UCLA the University of California that doesn't care. And I'm like, that's my news on UCLA?

33:25Some 19-year-old in his dorm room doing an angry TikTok? So I've been using News Not Noise. Jessica Yellen, who I find is pretty measured. I've been looking at, I've been following Anderson Cooper, who I think does his best job. You've done a great job here, I have to say. But I got to be honest, I'm having trouble. I'm just skeptical and distrusting of everything I see. So I'm moving to action. I like Jessica Yellen. She needs more resources. I like News Not Always. It's a hundred bucks. I went and bought 50 subscriptions. I am the most, I am the biggest GoFundMe slut in the world right now. Oh, I like that.

34:01That's nice. And I realize, I realize I'm virtue signaling, but I also believe that many administrators and nonprofits are nothing but attempts to get bored people jobs and tax money getting to people. Right. Or just show up like Jose Andres with the food and everything else. Just help. Just start. Just for News Not Noise, their tagline is, we give you information, not a panic attack, which I thought was kind of good. I do, I will say, let me just say, aside from crazy Patrick Soon-Shang, who's the thirstiest publisher in American history, who's weird and being, saying nasty shit. His reporters, the reporters he employs, they're not his reporters, they fucking hate him, are doing an astonishing job in Los Angeles.

34:43The local stations are doing an astonishing, I've done a lot of watching on the internet, great job. A lot of information, a lot of this one tracker that they use, the Watch app, it's been like a godsend to people. There's a lot of helpful stuff online. And I have to say, the Washington Post has done a great job, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal has done a spectacular job. And so the coverage has been helpful, informational. You know, they have to cover the misinformation angle of it. But I have to say, good job. Firefighters, number one. And you, of course, showed pictures of the flyers who are flying over Los Angeles dropping water, which are astonishing, beautiful, and also so spectacular.

35:24And it is about manliness. I'm sure there are some women flying those planes, by the way. But let's go on a quick break because we're going to talk about that, what it is to be a man. And the people who are bitching and moaning are not men, let's just say. When we get back, Mark Zuckerberg explains why masculine energy is the future. Well, his kind not, but we'll see what Scott has to say about this when we get back.

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37:29Over the course of a three-hour chat with Rogan, Zuckerberg bashed his own company's fact-checking process, the Biden administration's push for content moderation in Apple for lack of innovation. Amidst the news that Meta ended its DEI efforts, Zuckerberg lamented the rise of culturally neutered companies. Let's listen to explain why masculine energy is so important. You know, I grew up, I have three sisters, no brothers. I have three daughters, no sons. So I'm like surrounded by girls and women, like my whole life. And it's like, I think, I don't know, there's something, the kind of masculine energy I think is good.

38:09And obviously, you know, society has plenty of that, but I think corporate culture was really like trying to get away from it. and I do think that there's just something, it's like, I don't know, all these forms of energy are good and I think having a culture that celebrates the aggression a bit more has its own merits that are really positive. It sounds like this guy has divorce vibes to me. I don't know if that's all over the end. Like what is, you just, look how he juxtaposed them. I have three sisters, no brothers, three daughters, no sons and then he doesn't say this is great. He says, and you know, we kind of need masculine energy again.

38:47It sounds like he feels like a fucking Ken doll or something's happened here. And that makes no sense. I had forgotten what a bad thinker he was until I listened to this interview. I've interviewed him many times. As I'm interviewing him most of the time, I'm thinking, this guy has no intellectual heft in any way or an ability to think through a clear thought. And he certainly doesn't anymore. So this was one big, I don't know, you know, puss ball of, you need some therapy, dude. That's all I kept thinking when I was listening to it. But Scott, have you been talking to Mark about masculine energy and what would you say?

39:21First off, anyone who's seen Mark Zuckerberg's new wardrobe realized he's not bringing masculine energy. He's bringing Chechen Molly dealer energy. Yeah, that's Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. And that's the best description of his look and feel. For the most part, Look, I think masculinity and femininity are wonderful things. They're societal constructs that can help be great guideposts and aspirational behaviors for both men and women, not sequestered to either sex. But I'm not sure that it plays a role. I don't think companies should be gendered. I don't think it's a productive conversation. Oh, but Scott, they're neutered.

39:59Oh, my God. Fuck you, Mark. Go ahead. Sorry. Here's on a very basic level. masculinity means you're a protector a provider and a procreator in my view and let's just go to protection you add surplus value you register complaints you give notice to people's lives you you attempt to help people more than the help you're getting without credit you're willing to take risks you're willing to be aggressive your operating system your default system is that you protect people. And right now, Mark Zuckerberg, the most favorable thing you could say about him is he's bringing kind of pragmatic billionaire energy to his company.

40:42He's being very pragmatic around kissing the ass of Donald Trump, figuring out a way to spin moderation and censorship so he can get rid of it, take$5 billion that he was spending on moderation, put it all to the bottom line, which will increase his net worth by$50 to$20 billion. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity. Masculine energy, if you want to see masculine energy, look at the aerial firefighters who are former military, former civilian pilots or civilian pilots. They get in retrofitted DC-10s. They risk their lives. They bring incredible skill, risk, aggressiveness in the service of others.

41:25Yeah, he misses that part. Without the expectation of economic gain or recognition, we don't know who these guys are. Or women. Let's just say that. Well, it's probably a lot of women. I'm going to go out on a limb here. It's probably a lot of women handling a lot of the infrastructure and navigation. I'm not so sure. We'll look at Lauren Sanchez can fly a mean helicopter, right? Okay, but let's just talk about reality. I bet it's 98 % plus male pilots because here's the bottom line. The majority of men, the majority of aerial flight training in the military has been sequestered to men, unfairly or fairly.

41:58Probably true. And quite frankly, and I'll go out on a limb here, such a Twitter can get mad at me, men are more risk aggressive. And in military situations, that masculine energy, that big dick energy really pays off because men are more risk aggressive. But you're talking about the service of others. I want you to take apart how he said it, the way he put together the women in his life without any praise and then sort of had this sort of, you know, this like shitty little stew of other things around companies with jet. Where do you use neutered? Like everything is about the dick for this guy.

42:30And I kept thinking, small dick. That's what I kept thinking the whole time. Who would talk like this who has girl daughters? Women can be aggressive. Welcome to me. Mark Zuckerberg, just for everyone knows, ran away from me at most encounters we've had. Run. Physically runs away from me. Like, he has no masculine of what he's talking about. But whatever. I mean, I am aggressive, but that's another story. The base, you can't have true, in my opinion, masculine energy without having a great deal of femininity surrounding yourself. I thought Wall's best line in the debate was his advice to young men was to surround yourself with smart women and listen to them.

43:13Because the things that make up masculinity, surplus value, you create more tax revenue than you absorb. You listen to people complain more than you complain. You're in amazing fucking physical shape. Why? So you can protect people. It all stems from wanting to protect people in your life. And also the thing that complements it, the thing that makes it true masculinity is being surrounded by smart people who create nuance, who create concern, who create care, and who create nurturing, usually women. The most masculine men in the world had very strong feminine influence. The most masculine men in the world have really wonderful relationships with their mother.

43:54That is true. It's the first person they decide they would put themselves in harm's way to protect. Right. Can I put a little note in here? I think feminine energy is protective, too. Like, I can't think of a stronger energy than a mother's energy, for example. I would kill people. I'd fucking kill them. When you're an ass man, if you approach a bear, you're just like, make sure it doesn't have cubs around you. Right, exactly. So, the fact that he's defining this by masculine and female, I don't even know what he's talking about. It has no role. It has no role. It's like, are you a good person and a strong protector of people, male or female, Mark?

44:29There's no such thing. It sounds like he just literally has been such a beta his whole life. And let me tell you, Mark Zuckerberg is a beta, no matter how you slice it, who wants to be an alpha. I'm an alpha, Mark. You're a beta, just so you know. That's how it's going for you. But you have to clothe yourself, and you have to do your fighting, and you have to shoot, you know, buffalo, and you've got to cook meat. This is all such bullshit cosplaying about what a man is. It's now become What's interesting is someone said I'm so glad we're back to hating Mark Zuckerberg I do not hate him I find him pathetic That's absolutely true But it's just I don't even understand how someone could It feels like the midlife crisis I thought Jeff Bezos was having one This guy is in the middle of something That's personal And has nothing to do with it But it has implications that are larger And let me go into this We're learning about some of the new guidelines Or lack thereof Thank you Joel Kaplan and I'm not going to call you a piece of shit, but that's what I'm thinking, with this hateful conduct policy, statements that are permitted, including saying gays aren't normal and trans people aren't real.

45:36They're mentally ill, calling trans people it. Meta employees are voicing their concerns about these moderation changes. One employee described it as total chaos internally. Dozens of people, one of whom I'm going to have on on, said they're incandescently angry about what the need to do this is. I don't think Mark will change. He's gotten permission from his new Igor, Joel Kaplan, to do so. They're not only getting rid of DEI. That is a debate to have. Amazon, McDonald's, and others are pulling back. But at the same time, Apple's board, however, is recommending that voters vote no on the shareholder proposal to eliminate companies' DEI programs.

46:16They've said this is an important part of our culture. Costco is also pushing back against anti-DEI efforts. I just, I'm going to play something that I did in an interview with Laverne Cox, activist and actor. I've been advising that, I know I have very close friends who have trans kids. If your child can be stealth, I would say be stealth. Oh, wow. I would say that because it's just too unsafe. I don't want, I don't want us to be killed. I don't want us to be murdered. I don't want parents to be taken away from their kids. If you can live stealth, it's safety. Stealth has always been about safety.

46:54That was highly depressing to me because I used to live in stealth and it's a terrible place to be. But I'd love your thoughts on what's happening here within this company in particular in that. And then, of course, attacking Apple. No, at Facebook, all of them at once moving in all these areas that are not welcome by a lot of people. And it's the minimum they can do to have some safety on their platform without letting people not be people. But the only thing they targeted was LGBTQ stuff, pretty much. I have less sympathy for the employees because get another fucking job. All right. I just, okay.

47:30If you're that outraged, if you really feel you're working for a company that is targeting you based on your gender or sexual orientation, and you are probably one of the most skilled, employable people in the world, stop your fucking virtue signaling and go get another job. All right. Okay. What about why they're doing this at Metta right now? Well, we know why they're doing it. This is a guy who would fuck his mother for a nickel. Oh, wow. This is pretty... Okay, when I needed to be in the good graces of the Trump and the Biden administration and not have any regulation, I announced a moderating team, a moderation, billions of investment in moderation.

48:06And then when the new Trump administration comes in and is very much says calls moderation censorship and I need to kiss his ass, I put his friend on the board and I start calling moderation censorship. Mark Zuckerberg, I'll give it to him for this. He is totally predictable. He is all about shareholder value. And quite frankly, and I hate to say this, he's doing his job. We're not doing ours. to have some semblance of a democracy that is based on information that has fact-checking that pursues truth without favor instead of allowing monopolies to develop such that two-thirds of our information comes from a misinformation Lollapalooza.

48:49One of the core tenets of America is you get to love who you want to love. You get to live the life you want to lead. Does that mean we should have people born as males in girls' sports? I don't think so. But does it mean you should have a media platform where two-thirds of America get their news, be able to disparage them and create conspiracy theory that puts them in physical harm? That's about as anti-masculine, much less anti-American, as you can imagine. So I can predict everything Mark Zuckerberg's going to do. What gets the share price from$712 to$712.01? And the reason we have an operating system called capitalism is such that there are individuals that are like that.

49:37Full body contact, lie, cheat to get more shareholder value. We actually need some of that. What we also need is a regulatory body that says, no, you can't pour mercury into the river to get a cost advantage. and no, you can't spread hate, even though it's a fantastic business model. So I don't even fault Zuckerberg. Yeah, I don't like the man. I think he's a terrible role model for young people, but we're the ones at fault here. We have let this monster evolve in our midst because it makes a lot of money and because the Senate minority leader, Charles Schumer, daughter, used to work at Meta and because they probably help us track down and kill spies and because they create a ton of money for shareholders and because they weaponize femininity in the form of Sheryl Sandberg to pretend she gives a flying fuck about gender in the workplace such that they think, oh, they're such nice people and they just need to do better and they're proud of their progress.

50:38You can't have capitalism unless there is an operating system that keeps this in check and taxes people such that we can reinvest in the greatest innovation in history, in the middle class, and control the emissions and control the pesticides. Can I get away just from shareholder? What do you think is happening to these men? They're not just shareholder. There's something else happening. I can't fucking figure it out. I can tell you a dozen people who were utterly normal, who send me crazy shit about trans people, about vaccines, about all these people were completely normal. And now it's beyond shareholder.

51:19It's something else. Should the first executive action of President Biden be around trans athletes and wait three years for any policy on immigration? No. The Democrats have invited this bullshit, but being hyper-focused on niche issues that don't affect that many people, instead of just saying we have laws to protect them or we're going to force the laws. At the same time, the far right deciding to find this small group of people and demonize them and terrorize them? I mean, one is stupid. What the far left has done has been tone deaf and politically stupid. What the far right has done is just inhuman.

51:55It's just not, you don't treat people that way. But why have all these, all tech, all tech, like except if they work for W, the Worldwide Wrestling Organization or something like that, something has happened to so many of them and their love of conspiracy theories. It's like they've smoked their own dope a little too long and it's laced with fentanyl or something. I think there's still people. There are. There's Mark Benioff. Brian Chesky is offering places for people to stay. There's something at the top here of these, you know, this Troika, Bezos. It's the loudest ones. I don't think it's most of them.

52:30I think it's the loudest ones. Okay, all right. I've heard from them. And I don't even think Bezos has embraced conspiracy theory. What I just don't get, I just don't get is I have 1%, 0.1 % of the wealth of these guys, and I have enough money that I can live an amazing life and like try and finally after 45 years of being an uber capitalist and focusing on three things, me, me, and fucking me, I can start actually like being a real man? You are a real man. Like, where are the men here? Why would you aggregate$110 billion if you couldn't say, no, I'm not going to give money to your inaugural campaign.

53:11You want to put me in jail? Try it, boss. I know. You want me to let unfettered hate on my platform? No, I don't do that. I protect people. I have a pair of fucking testicles. I protect people. I don't get it. What I don't get, and this is the one part, and this is a personal message for me, is all of you have children. And, Mark, you have three daughters. You are not a good parent right now to your daughters. What you're doing is irreprehensible to your children. And I hope you're going to regret what you're doing right now and the words that are coming out of your mouth for reasons I don't know.

53:51Get off social media. Get off of interviews. Everything you say seems stupider and stupider. And it's shameful what you're doing. If you had sons, I think it's shameful. But it's particularly shameful when you have three daughters. It just is. I can't even begin. And Elon Musk forget how he talks about trans people as a trans daughter. Just focus on your families maybe a little more and less on your gold chains and your haircuts and whatever the fuck else you want to do. Anyway, we'll take one more quick break. will be back for wins and fails.

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55:54Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like to go first? Sure, I'll go first. I just have a win. My win is the aerial firefighters. This is, these pilots risk their lives flying at low altitudes in smoky, turbulent conditions, often in mountainous terrain to help protect communities and natural resources. is their work here is both highly skilled and incredibly dangerous. You want to talk about masculine energy? Incredibly skilled, highly dangerous work in the service of others without any expectation of recognition. They have air tankers, retrofitted DC-10s. I love those converted airliners.

56:36I used to go look at those at LAX with my father when I was a kid. C-130 Hercules, Bombardier CL-415s, which are amphibious water scoopers. Those things are beautiful the way they hover, they skim across the water. Helicopter pilots in the Sikorsky S-70 Firehawks or Bell 212s, where there probably are more female pilots is in the spotter and lead planes that help identify and spot the exact location for the retardants to be expectorated. the wildfire operations coordinators. There's a ton of people figuring out how to make this successful and load the retardants and use AI and incredibly complex navigation system.

57:21Can you imagine how dangerous it is to have all of these aircraft in and around LA flying at 200 miles an hour? It's amazing they haven't hit each other. Most of them have a military background. Many aerial firefighter pilots are former military aviators, particularly from the Air Force or Navy, given their experience with large aircraft and challenging conditions. A lot have civilian experience. Others come from civilian aviation backgrounds with additional specialized training and low altitude, high stress flight operations. May I interject? There's a movie that you will like, Scott. It's called Always, and it's with Richard Dreyfuss and Holly Hunter, along with Audrey Hepburn.

58:00And it's a 1989 film about an aerial firefighter who risks his life in fighting forest fires. That's such a sign. You should watch it. He does not make it, but it's all about that. And it's a wonderful movie. John Goodman's in it. I think you need to watch that tonight if you can. It's called Always 1989. I love this movie. It's a wonderful movie. And it's about just this topic. And there's a lot of technical stuff in it about aerial firefighting, which is really... incredibly hard, astonishingly risk-taking and for the service of others, as you said. And then they require specific certification.

58:39The pilots must meet strict Federal Aviation Administration or the FAA or equivalent regulatory standards and complete training for water, retardant drops, fire behavior, emergency maneuvers. And I'm telling you my prediction, I'll go to a prediction. The Pacific Palisades in five years is going to be one of the nicest neighborhoods in America. When they rebuild, I mean, A, it's a gorgeous, I used to go to Palisades High School when I was at uni for basketball games. The Palisades is spectacular. Spectacular. And when you have the ability, this is an opportunity for Los Angeles to not only rethink what happened here.

59:16And be mixed use would be great because there were mobile homes and middle-class homes and really rich homes there. That was what I found really. I mean, they all, prices went up for all of them. But boy, was that a mixed environment. Didn't you find that? That was always surprising to me. Anyways, my win are the aerial, the brave aerial firefighters and the support staff. They are really doing just outstanding work. And it's also, it's just such a, when you think about what is great about our species, our ability to cooperate, our technology, and in the face of all that technology and prosperity, there are a lot of people who still decide to take very aggressive risks.

59:55They could use that certification to fly 787s between here and New York and make a good living. And instead they get in a fucking plane and hover at 240 miles an hour at an altitude of 10 feet, expectorate this shit in an exact area, and then pull up with about a one second margin of error and nobody even meets these people. No one has any idea. Anyways, that's my win. Can you please watch this movie? It's all about how they do it and how they do drops and how they train drops. And it's really, I know so much about aerial firefighting in this movie. You will love it and you will cry at the end like a little lady, well, like a little man, because men cry, everybody.

1:00:38Masculine energy is about crying too. My win is the Justice Department has released a report correcting the flawed record on the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. I am so thrilled they did it before Trump got in office that he would have quashed it, confirming it was not just mob violence, but a coordinated military-style attack to ruin what was one of the wealthiest Black communities in the U.S. I read the whole report. This is a topic. This incident was so hidden for so long, and it's gotten a lot of press in the recent years, and there's been some cases about reparations and everything else. But what happened here was heinous.

1:01:13This was a thriving, economically smart, fast forward, wealthiest black communities in the U.S. that they decimated. And I'll tell you, the pictures, look, they burnt it down. They burnt it down. And it was over an unclear situation between a black man and a white woman. And obviously, which is all these things start like that. But I recommend reading it. And I commend the Justice Department for releasing the report, especially now before that. So that's, you know, my win. I think my fail is these billionaires and they're, you know what, you have the most money of anyone in the history of the planet, and you're miserable people, and you don't bring anything but misery on people.

1:01:56You do not help people. Stop, you know, peacocking around. You are tiny, small men right now, and you couldn't be smaller. And you have the opportunity when Elon Musk attacked Mackenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos' ex-wife, for being a danger or Melinda Gates for being a danger. That's what they do. You know what Mackenzie Scott did? She doubled her giving. She gabbled. That's what masculine energy is or whatever they want to call it. And by the way, that is masculine energy. Yeah, that's correct. And I always feel as if I need an asterisk here. A lot of men, including myself and my closest friends, demonstrate wonderful femininity, nurturing, more thoughtful, more measured, more protected.

1:02:46And a lot of women demonstrate fantastic masculine energy. The only kind of caveat I would put to what you're saying is there are a lot of billionaires in LA and in tech who are trying to do the right thing. Right away, Brian Chesky came out with a program that said, if you need a place to live, go on our platform or a place to stay and we're going to help you. Yep, for free. He did it before. He did that before in many other cases. It's the opportunists. And opportunists go up and down the income stack. But when you start saying DEI is die or asking the governor to resign because he's a threat to your vice president in 2028 and creating conspiracy theory and letting conspiracy run amok.

1:03:28I'm sorry. I didn't mean to weaponize or take over your fail. You can take it. Let me just say, you know what you should do, Mark? Get off fucking Joe Rogan and write a check. Just write a check. 100 percent. Just write a check. Shut up. We don't need any more of your outfits or your chains. Write a check. Keep your mouth shut and stop being such an endless pathetic, whatever you happen to be. Write a check. That's what we want from you. And that's all we want. Otherwise, keep it to yourself. Go get a therapist and apologize to your daughters as soon as possible. Anyway, that's the show. We'll be back on Friday for more.

1:04:04The indignant podcast. Jesus Christ. I know, but let me just say, yeah, because I have masculine fucking energy and I don't like people taking it. I agree. Which one of us has more masculine energy? You or I? That's an easy one. It's the woman who stayed here all weekend. It was the squatter here, literally. I see brood aftershave and like armpit hair everywhere in my bathroom right now. Scott will cry at the drop of a fucking hat. And I do not. So let's just say we know of what we speak here and we represent it. And those of us with masculine energy would like you all to shut the fuck up. That's what I would say.

1:04:38Read us out. today's show is produced by lara namen zoe margus and taylor griffin ernie intertide engineered this episode thanks also to drew burrows miss severio and dan chulon nishat kurwa is vox media's executive producer of audio make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts thank you for listening to pivot from new york magazine and vox media you can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com slash pod we'll be back later this week for another breakdown of all things tech and business my big unlock this week was recognizing calling and asking if you can help is not the right thing to do.

1:05:08It's just helping, just doing it. Send money. Here's a picture of the room that I want you to come stay at, out of harm's way. I am taking your kids. Drop off food. Don't ask to help, just help.