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24:44They operate mostly in northeastern Nigeria. There is no evidence that their attacks are focused on Christians. In fact, like the Boko Haram just indiscriminately murder civilians. They attack churches, mosques, anyone, but they operate in areas that are predominantly Muslim. So the idea that like Boko Haram is doing this doesn't make any sense. There's also, I mean, complicating this is there's a problem in central Nigeria where you've got these like semi-nomadic cattle herders attacking Christian farmers. But that's fighting over scarce land and water resources. And so those clashes really have killed a bunch of Christian farmers, but those are not Boko Haram groups.

25:22Those are just like people who need land. So the Nigerian government is just like confused, I think. They want U.S. support. They want to help battling Boko Haram and other extremist groups. But making this like a Muslim versus Christian thing is really unhelpful. And the Nigerian president, this guy, Bola Tinubu, he's married to a Christian minister. He's a Muslim man. So I think it's like hard to argue that he's turning a blind eye to attacks on Christians, or at least there's no evidence of that. I think it's just more like it's really hard to battle these extremist groups. and Nigeria is situated in a part of Africa that is just south of all these countries where there's a really bad extremism problem.

25:59And there have been a bunch of coups and that has led to the US and French counter-terrorism forces getting pushed out, the Russians coming in, the Wagner group and these other mercenaries. And so it's not clear to me what Trump is doing. Like, I think there's a bunch of right-wing Christian groups who have been lobbying Congress and stuff. And I think that probably got to him. Yeah. I was like, if I had to guess, would be like something started in a right-wing fever swamp online somewhere but maybe it's this direct lobbying that suddenly it got to him somehow through all of his crazy channels yeah people who are now running the government and he was and that's someone he ran into at an event or at mar-a-lago or whatever i mean ultimately this will probably result in the u.s selling a bunch more weapons to nigeria but like it's just particularly strange and one is the second time he's like claimed uh genocide against a group that's not being genocided like remember the white farmers in South Africa.

26:47And two, there is an actual genocide happening in Sudan as we speak, where the RSF, this militia group, has taken over all of Darfur and are just massacring civilians. But he's tweeting about Christians in Nigeria. It's just like very divorced from reality. Fucking weird. Dan and I talked last episode about Trump's announcement that the U.S. will resume nuclear testing, quote, on an equal basis. That's Trump's words. And Trump's seeming confusion between testing that involves detonating actual nuclear warheads, which no country but North Korea has done since 1992, and even North Korea hasn't done it since 2017.

27:23Difference between that and testing nuclear delivery devices, which Russia has recently done. Trump's energy secretary, Chris Wright, who would be responsible for testing nukes, clarified over the weekend that the tests will not be nuclear explosions. But Trump still seemed a bit confused on 60 Minutes. Why do we need to test our nuclear weapons? Well, because you have to see how they work. We're the only country that doesn't test. And I want to be I don't want to be the only country that doesn't test. The only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea. China and Russia. Russia's testing nuclear weapons.

27:55My understanding. And China's testing them, too. You just don't know about it. That would be certainly very newsworthy.

28:03That was like a great moment for Nora. I mean, look, there have been moments like it's an impossible conversation to have with Donald Trump. He's all over the place. You've got every issue under the sun. You got Barry Weiss in the rafters above the fucking studio waiting to pounce down if you go too hard. Like, really, like, a delicate balance. But, man, just incredibly stupid shit. It is funny listening to Nora try to be like, well, it's my understanding. Meaning, like, the facts are, Mr. President, because once again, I have to tell you something that's real since you're in fucking la-la land.

28:35Yes. Tommy, should we rest easier after Chris Wright's comments or no? I hope so. So, I mean, like you said, I mean, the Russians basically like whenever it seems like NATO is going to have some balls and maybe send long range weapons to Ukraine, Putin does something to sort of rattle the nuclear saber. And this time it was again talking about this nuclear cruise missile, which he claims to have tested, which they rolled out in 2018, by the way. So this one wasn't new. And then they say they have this other like a super torpedo that can get to the East Coast or the West Coast and detonate and cause a tsunami, which a lot of people question would ever work.

29:08But also neither weapon like changes the strategic calculus of nuclear warfare, which is if you start it, like mutually assured destruction will happen in any of these cases. Right. So these are not like game changing weapons. And so what Trump is talking about, I mean, it makes no sense. Like you said, we stopped nuclear testing in 1992. There's the comprehensive test ban treaty was put into place in 1996. The U.S. doesn't need to test more nuclear weapons because we've tested more nuclear weapons than anybody. We've done like a thousand tests since World War Two. The Russians did around 700.

29:38The Chinese did 45. Nice trying, guys. And like, we have more nuclear testing data than anybody. And if we get rid of the restrictions on testing, what will happen? The Chinese will test a ton of nuclear weapons as they raced to build a stockpile that's equivalent to ours before they'll enter into any like nonproliferation treaties. So it's a terrible strategic idea. Where are you going to do it? Like, are we going to go back to Nevada? I think what the energy secretary is getting at is the nuclear testing site has been refurbished to be to do other things. You take like a year to three years to like get that back to a place where you could actually test nuclear weapons.

30:16It's mostly focused on sports betting now. Just a Calci and Dragon. It's a lot of servers for those apps. Like people in Nevada would go nuts if all of a sudden we were detonating nukes in the continental U.S. again. So anyway, it's just crazy. But there's parts of the conservative movement that actually do want to do this. Like it was part of Project 2025. It was in 2025, right? Yeah. They talked about essentially, like they said, we should ditch the CTBT and be postured to begin testing nukes again. Because some people really believe that the way you win a nuclear war is just by creating more nukes, which is like kind of an idea banded by Ronald Reagan in the 80s.

30:48But I don't know. These people are nuts. It's funny. Just probably 2025, of course, like, oh, yeah, there's a nuclear section. It's also it's like their whole philosophy in that thing was like no good ideas in a brainstorm. Just like if you've thought of something that would make the world a more dangerous and scary place. We want it in here because this is our fucking shot. Did you see that when he started talking about Taiwan that he said now he it was similar to what he said about Maduro. He said, I'm not going to tell you you're a journalist. But he said, Xi knows what I would do if he were to invade Taiwan.

31:20But I'm not telling you. That's stupid. Right. You know what the answer is? Nothing. Right. Exactly. But like, just follow it out. It's like, if you've told him, you can tell us. If you haven't told him, I get maybe why you might not want to tell us. But it seems like you've said you've told him, so you can tell us. You take Taiwan. We get access to the chips that we need from them. That's our deal. You buy a little crypto. That's my, without knowing much, that's just probably what's in Trump's head. I also don't believe for a second. And I got a lot of beans. Beans for chips. I don't believe for a second that Taiwan didn't come up at the Xi Jinping meeting.

31:55And like there was all this reporting going into it that Xi thinks he can get Trump to reduce our commitment to Taiwan and basically say that we will not intervene if he moves to invade and just trade that away for some sort of economic deal. I'm sure that is on the table and is likely to happen. Yeah, but Trump there, I'm not going to tell anyone. I'm only going to tell my buddy Xi. So Trump also weighed on the other nuclear option in the 60 Minutes interview, getting rid of the filibuster once and for all. Here's Nora O'Donnell asking Trump about the ongoing government shutdown

32:52That's too bad. First time you learn that information. That's too bad. Should we send Donald Trump an Abolish the Filibuster t-shirt from the Crooked merch store? Because we're selling them at one point. Maybe a hat. Welcome to the club. A red hat. Yeah, great. Donald Trump, welcome to the resistance. What do you guys make of that? There's basically three ways this thing ends now. Dems cave. There's a deal on the Affordable Care Act subsidies somehow, which means the Republicans in Trump cave, or they get rid of the filibuster, which John Thune is saying no still, but Donald Trump is now all in, which I'm sure did not make John Thune and other Senate Republicans too happy.

33:32Love it. What do you think? Yeah. So it's not just noon. A bunch of them are pretty firm in saying no on the filibuster. And even Mike Johnson made the point that if they get rid of the filibuster, it will make it easier for Dems to do a bunch of stuff that he doesn't think Congress should do. So like right now, they do not have 50 votes to get rid of the filibuster, full stop. Even if you take John Thune out of it, there's a bunch of other people, Collins, Tillis, a few others that are all just no. And so, you know, maybe that breaks or maybe they find some rhetorical way around it. I mean, they've already, you know, the filibuster has been slowly chipped away at in so many different ways, but it seems like that's going to hold at least for the short term.

34:16Yeah. Yeah. I can't tell like why they're so maybe I know they don't have the votes, but I do think that in terms of public pressure, you can see during this whole answer, you can see Trump wrestling with this because he's like, you know, Nora sort of gives him the well, you're the you're the guy that makes the deals that can end this kind of stuff. And he's very much like, well, yeah, I'm going to get it done. I'm going to get it. How? Well, the Democrats are going to cave. Well, what if they don't cave or you're not going to get it done then? And then he's like, so he knows that then he goes to the filibuster.

34:46Yeah. So because he understands that the public pressure over people paying more for health care or losing their food benefits or that kind of stuff. At some point, someone's going to say that the public is going to be like, hey, Donald Trump, why don't you do something? You're the president of the United States. And that time should have been several weeks ago because he has been completely absent, completely doing nothing. Congress not in session. He's not doing anything, not making calls like what's going on here. But if I if I was a Senate Democrat watching that interview, I would have been that would have bucked me up a little bit in terms of not wanting to cave on this one.

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37:45So on Monday, just a bit before we recorded this, the Trump administration made a partial concession in its campaign to use struggling Americans' food benefits as leverage against Democrats. The administration had previously said they wouldn't use emergency funding to make sure 42 million Americans still received SNAP benefits after the money ran out on November 1st. But thanks to multiple courts ordering the administration to dip into the emergency funding, the government now says they'll use the$4.6 billion in the emergency fund, though they claim it's only enough to fund about half of the usual monthly benefit for the one in eight Americans who receive food assistance.

38:19It's not clear what will happen next month, but the White House doesn't seem too concerned. On Friday, Trump hosted a Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago. The White House told reporters that the official theme was the Great Gatsby and, quote, a little party never killed anybody. Just right on the nose. The only thing that kills anybody is strikes against boats. That's what they're doing. In starvation, if you don't have a snap. Yes, also that. Trump was seen at a candlelit table next to Marco Rubio. Who looked miserable. Just the where's Waldo of this administration in these pictures. Like, find someone looking like they want to die.

38:52There he is. And D.C. U.S. attorney Janine Pirro in a flapper dress and headband. She was right next to them, too. There were also dancers in feathered headdresses working the crowd. Trump also announced last week that he's completed a gut renovation of the bathroom off the famous Lincoln bedroom, covering it in black and white marble and gold fixtures. The White House won't say how much it cost or who paid for it. Trump, for his part, called the new look totally in keeping with the Civil War era. um it is so it is so fucking funny it is so funny to claim like this is pretty much what abraham lincoln would have done uh if he did a bathroom reno uh which i thought and then it's just this marble clad fucking yeah uh contractor flip house marble monstrosity i fucking love it it's like the the the like whatever the optics of it we're in the middle of a shutdown it's all because of moral reasons to find this gross.

39:50It is so, like, offensive looking. And then to be like, this is, I did it in Abe's name. This is what he would have wanted. He's just like an old guy who is like, you know, used to do real estate. And now he's like fucking bored. And so he just keeps renovating things in his house and showing them off to people. Like, oh, did you see what I did to the bathroom? America? Honestly, it's very great Gatsby Coded, to be honest. Yeah, yeah. It's like the funny thing about this, it's like, hey, guys, what do you think The Great Gatsby was about? What do you think about how fun the parties were? Is that?

40:24You think Tom and Daisy were the heroes? Yeah. Like, what do you think? Did you finish that book? Yeah. You understand what happens when you stare at the green light? Do you remember? No, nothing. You didn't get to the end. Right. This is not who. No. Our side of the side that knows what's in The Great Gatsby and then can't win a fucking election. But did you guys see Caroline Levitt's tweet about this? She tweeted, when I first learned a toilet like that existed inside the White House, I was horrified. That's what horrified Karen Leavitt. Horrified. The toilet. The toilet in the Lincoln bedroom.

40:53Okay. So now she can rest easy. Also, why were you in there? Maybe she found out from True Social like everyone else. Sometimes you got, listen, you got to, you got to, when you got to go, you got to go. Right, it's an emergency. Do you guys think the, um, the ballroom plus the party plus the bathroom plus all the other blatant corruption? I mean, it feels like we're we got a narrative here. Got a lot here, man. And maybe it's this is going to help define the shutdown in the minds of people who are paying attention to all this. Or is this just wishful thinking? Like one would think. I mean, Trump is clearly in the YOLO period of his presidency.

41:25The corruption and like he's normally very politically savvy. But the total disregard for optics or the politics of their decision making is genuinely shocking to me. I do think this is where Democrats pay dearly for not having media infrastructure. Like if a Democrat did this, Fox News would be crucifying them all day, every day until the shutdown was over. I worry that this stuff is just not reaching people. I did sort of wonder, like, would it be smart for somebody? It could be the DNC. It could be someone who wants to run for president like a Gavin Newsom or some type to start running a series of digital ads on the corruption, on the sort of optics of the ballroom, the CZ pardon, the toilet, like all of it.

42:03and just get it on, you know, do a huge digital buy or a long-term like low boil one because I think we got to get these stories in front of people. I think Democrats would be excited about it and would promote it on social media. Like I donate to somebody that was running ads on this that might actually reach voters who are undecided somehow. I mean, like let's just get this message out there. Well, and also this is perfect fodder for a genuinely creative, funny ad campaign. Yes, for sure. You put out some 30, 60 seconds ads about this. Don't talk to me. They're not going anywhere. Typical narrator voice.

42:37Yeah, I don't want to hear that shit. Like a tar riff. You could do like a mini movie. There's just so many opportunities here. Gatsby movie. I mean, yeah. Love it? You're working on something? Yeah, sure. Well, SNL did Property Brothers about the ballroom, and it was great. Oh, they did? I do think, by the way, I do think that like the ballroom, I don't know. I mean, the bathroom is sort of, I think, still making its way through the algorithms. But I do think the ballroom broke through. Big time, yeah. I also do think it fits into a narrative that is already pretty strongly held across the board, right?

43:10Like the vast majority of Americans believe Donald Trump's not focused on the issues he was elected to resolve on prices. And then he is building a brand new ballroom. He's tearing down the East Wing. He is redoing bathrooms. He is having galas and flapper and Roar 20s style parties. Like if we can't make this something, I would say like we don't deserve to have a party. But I would say like we even less deserve to have one. Yeah. I will say that the NBC poll that came out over the weekend, CNN poll, I think like the last batch of polling that's just been the last week has been quite bad for Trump.

43:44Like it's getting it's getting a little worse. He was in the sort of mid to low 40s. Now he's like low, you know, NBC was 43, 55. The generic ballot is now 50, 42 Democrats. 70 percent said that they want their vote in the midterms to be to send a message about opposing the president. And that is the highest number in NBC polling dating back 30 years. And it's it's got to be that because in the same poll, the Democratic Party's approval rating is still sitting at 28 percent. Right. So they're up by eight in the generic ballot, which means it's all about Trump, you know. Right. But a lot of those are Democrats who will vote against Trump no matter what and vote against Republicans in the midterms, but just don't like how Democrats, they don't view them as fighting hard enough.

44:26I will say we're hitting the number that Chuck Schumer said was the number we needed to get to for Republicans to crack. Remember when he did that? He was before the previous moment where they didn't do the shutdown. It was that he needed to get Trump into the 30s. Then all of a sudden, Republicans in Congress would start playing ball. So we're here. We're here. We did it. I do love that Trump holds a party in Mar-a-Lago that is 1920s themed. Jeanine Pirro is dressed like a flapper, which I believe was like a modern hip woman who is like excited about new social freedoms. And yet she's at this event surrounded by trad wives and some of the worst excesses of plastic surgery in Boca history.

45:06It is. Yeah, a lot of contradictions. One other big conversation point in the political world that we haven't had the chance to talk about here. Last week, Tucker Carlson sat down to interview white nationalist influencer Nick Fuentes for more than two hours. You might remember Fuentes as Trump's other dinner companion, aside from Kanye West at Mar-a-Lago in 2022. Fuentes has said that, quote, Hitler is awesome and, quote, the Holocaust didn't happen. He's also called J.D. Vance, quote, a fat gay race traitor. In the interview with Tucker, Fuentes attempted to sound slightly more mainstream, though he did accuse Jews of disloyalty to America and basically said they're part of a global conspiracy.

45:45Here's a taste. for the international Jewish community. They're extremely organized. And many of them are critical of Israel or Israel's current government or the project of Israel. But I guess what they have in common is that they have this international community across borders, extremely organized, that is putting the interests of themselves before the interests of their home country. So Carlson really didn't push back in any substantive ways. And this has set off a bit of a MAGA civil war, Ben Shapiro, went hard after Tucker on Monday, calling him, quote, an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend.

46:24On the other hand, Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation and one of the guys behind Project 2025, released a video where he criticized everyone who was criticizing Carlson for having Fuentes on. He said that while he, quote, abhors some things that Fuentes has said, Fuentes shouldn't be canceled and that Heritage will be keeping up its close association with Carlson, saying, quote, The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians. And we won't start doing that now. Coming under immediate withering fire, he put out a second post listing and condemning lots of horrid things Fuentes said about Jews and others and appeal to young conservatives not to fall under his sway.

47:06Lots of justified outrage from everywhere about this. What do you guys think? Love it. So I do think it's important. And it's been interesting, right? Because Kevin Roberts puts out this statement and says, we shouldn't cancel Nick Fuentes? I don't know what this word means anymore. But yeah, you should. That's somebody to cancel. Whatever cancellation means, if it means anything, it should mean you cancel Nick Fuentes. And he approaches ideas like, oh, we're not going to punch to the right. We're not going to criticize people on the right. I'll tell you, I've been, And I think it's like seeing the amount of kind of outrage about this, I think has been genuinely good.

47:43But I think part of this has been the ways in which a lot of people have turned a blind eye to how sort of anti-Semites, pure, unalloyed anti-Semites have found more and more quarter inside of the MAGA movement. And then you have people like Ben Shapiro now calling it out. You have people like Ted Cruz and others speaking to Republican Jewish organizations to call it out. But in general, this is a consequence of of just how much flirtation there has been with some of the most heinous and reactionary and fanatical far right creatures of social media and the Internet. Tommy. Yeah, I think Nick Fuentes is really dangerous and he has been for a while.

48:29and his stature is growing. His show is getting more streams. Like more people are paying attention to him. And this is a big deal. I think it's kind of like a seminal moment for the right because like the backstory in the Tucker interview was Tucker had Candace Owens on his show and he picked a fight with Nick Fuentes. I think he called him like a weird little gay kid in his parents' basement or something. And then he suggested that Fuentes was like a paid government plant. And that was a bad idea because like Nick Fuentes has nothing better to do than to go back at him. And Fuentes went hard and he talked about Tucker's dad being in the CIA and talked about hypocrisy and inconsistency.

49:04And I think was largely seen as like getting the better of that exchange. And Tucker saw Nick Fuentes as a threat to his stature as kind of a kingmaker in the Republican Party and decided to stop fighting him and just have him on. and Tucker wasn't the only one. Like I think Glenn Greenwald had him on. This guy, Patrick David Bett had him on his podcast as well. But like you said, it wasn't just having him on the show. It was like just how soft the interview was. And there's been a lot of focus on Nick Fuentes' anti-Semitism and rightly so. This guy says like Hitler is cool, stuff like that. I mean, it's not subtle.

49:36He questions the scale of death and the Holocaust. He did it via an analogy about how many cookies you could bake. I heard that. It was fucking disgusting. It's disgusting. But he's also a vile racist. Like he says the N word all the time on the show. He criticizes people for race mixing, including J.D. Vance. And he's also a misogynist in the most literal sense of the world. He wants to repeal the 19th Amendment. So like this dude is a very scary figure, someone who I think is trying to step into the void left after Charlie Kirk's assassination and continue to pull young Republican men to the right.

50:11and I think like is having considerable success. And he knows that he needs to mainstream himself and he's smart enough to figure out kind of how to do that when he, like I'm only, you know, I started listening to the Tucker interview and, you know, he frames his whole political view, political beliefs as like, well, you know, it's really about the government of Israel. You know, he starts there and he doesn't, it's not quite like the clips you see from his show that go around once in a while. Yeah, the clips from his show are just him speaking alone in a room like to a camera just ranting for 45 minutes about stuff and and like the thing to know about him is he can be quite funny um he can come off as reasonable because like when the epstein stuff happened he was like trump's covering this up maga's over this is ridiculous like he'll like state the obvious at times but i think that then gives him credibility to launder in these views that like organized jury i think is the word the terminology he used are controlling all the world's events and have started all the wars.

51:10And it's just like your very classic textbook, uh, antisemitism. I just think it's very notable that you have, you know, glad that Ben Shapiro said something today. I think Ted Cruz has been out there attacking Fuentes and Carlson, nothing from the white house, nothing from, I mean, you don't expect Trump to be in the weeds on this kind of stuff, but certainly JD Vance has been following this, uh, this back and forth and has, uh, has, has yet to say anything. And by the way, JD Vance who defended people for having, for just being kids joking around for doing sort of a bunch of Holocaust jokes.

51:41I don't think it's like, you know, Tucker Carlson has been doing this kind of just asking questions stuff, right? Like he had Candace Owens on, Candace Owens has made all kinds of antisemitic comments. Tucker had a just asking questions interview with someone saying, well, maybe Churchill was responsible for World War II when you think about it. And so Tucker has been flirting with kind of the kind of vile recesses of like anti-Semitic ideology. And part of it, too, like more broadly is, you know, there's this like, you know, all the establishment is bad in every way possible. And so that means the vaccines are like the stories we're told.

52:21They're all lies. All the stories are lies. Right. The story about the of covid is a lie. And the story about vaccines generally are a lie. The story about climate is a lie. And you start going further and further. And eventually it's like, is the story of World War II lie? Is the story of a Holocaust a lie? What else are they lying to us about? What other what other what other what other what other are like kind of cultural shibboleths can we can we interrogate? And I think like it leads to this really fucking dark place. yeah it kind of just like this fuertes is attacking jd vance's wife he's going after his kids he called him a fake marine he's just like going after him in the most vicious way as possible you're right we haven't heard anything from jd vance and this the heritage foundation not only did they defend and stand by tucker but they he said it was like only a globalist class that was uh being critical and like basically said explicitly i forgot the exact language i deleted whatever i had written it down that was like uh the the faction of uh people within the gop they were like vile or something like that like the ones criticizing tucker for having fuentes on so he like made it about like it's this like a maximalist view that uh thou shalt not attack another republican no matter what under any circumstances and like levitt says like if there's ever a time man it's when you're interviewing a neo-nazi like it's maybe it's to rethink who your friends are.

53:41Yeah, no shit. One other point about this too is like, the amount of just pure like Nazism and antisemitism on Twitter is just, has like been growing. Like it is just unleashed. I like, it used to be something you would see now. Like I see it in my comments all the time. Like I just, there is so much vile, unrestrained antisemitism on social media. By the way, you're seeing it with people being like unabashed and even like it's stupid. But like even in their Halloween costumes, being proud about like dressing as Nazis and doing blackface, there's a kind of like joyful like embrace of of like full like, you know, mask off bigotry.

54:25And it's just very, very dangerous. And you need people like J.D. Vance to call it out as much as I wish it weren't true. It matters whether or not he does. All right. By the time you're listening to this, it'll be Election Day. We got Prop 50 here in California, governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia, the mayor's race in New York City, Public Service Commission in Georgia and the state Supreme Court in Pennsylvania. These last few days are usually when the final big endorsements happen and the most high profile surrogates hit the trail. But interestingly, Trump did not appear in person anywhere.

54:55He's doing tele-rallies instead. Still don't really know what those are. I don't either. In Virginia and New Jersey. And also, to Zoran Mamdani's delight, Trump endorsed Andrew Cuomo in the 60 Minutes interview. One top Democratic surrogate was out there over the weekend. Here's Barack Obama rallying with Abigail Spanberger on Saturday. The president, he has been focused on critical issues like paving over the Rose Garden so folks don't get mud on their shoes. And gold plating the Oval Office and building a$300 million ballroom. So, Virginia, here's the good news. If you can't visit a doctor, don't worry.

55:37He will save you a dance. The over-the-top rhetoric, the fabricated conspiracies, the weird videos of a U.S. president with a crown on his head flying a fighter jet and dumping poop on protesting citizens. All of that is designed to distract you from the fact that your situation has not gotten better.

56:12Don't poo. Vote.

56:17There's it. There's our title. There's our episode title. You know, what I love about that is you think, oh, Barack Obama, he's sort of out of the game. He's not paying attention. He's following it all. He's online. He's online. He saw the poop video thing. He was also like, after he talked about the they'll save you a dance, he's like, you can watch all the beautiful people partying in Mar-a-Lago on Truth Social. I was like, now that is very specific as well. Yeah. He also had a good line. He was like, you got a flat tire? D.E.I. White matter you? D.E.I. I know. Very Obama riff. Very Obama riff.

56:52So final thoughts on these races, how they're all closing. We got Trump nowhere to be found. Barack Obama's out there. He was with Mikey Sherrill as well in Jersey. The folks behind Prop 50 are feeling good. I don't know. What do you guys think? Any final thoughts? Love it. I saw kind of a shirtless yelling man holding a giant cross saying the end is nigh. But it was just Bill Ackman. So I don't think there's anything to worry about. There's been all this sort of like pre-coverage about like Mom Donnie and the future of the Democratic Party. But then you have like like Mikey Sherrill, who's a veteran.

57:34You got Spamburger, who's like in the CIA. And it's like I like I hope they all win because it'll do a great job, too. I prefer they all win to scramble any kind of easy conclusions that people would love to draw draw to address their priors. That's all. Yeah. I mean, you know, Jonathan Martin had a great piece over the weekend about how weird it is, how Trump has either given up or made things worse. You know, like, look, maybe, look, maybe Trump doesn't care about the Virginia governor's race. Maybe he doesn't care about New Jersey. Maybe he knows that his mere presence would make things worse for his candidates.

58:10So he's doing whatever a town hall is. But Prop 50 directly impacts Trump and his agenda. If California can send five more Democrats to Congress, it makes it a lot easier for us to take the house and then subpoena the shit out of him and figure out all the, you know, corrupt deals that he's doing. And again, even if Trump didn't want to campaign in California, he could have made five phone calls and raised$100 million for ads. Yeah. But Republicans are basically off the air fighting against Prop 50 at this point because they just got outgunned. And like it looks like it looks like a big loss to Gavin Newsom.

58:43Like his primary antagonist in the Democratic Party is likely going to look like he kicked his ass. And like maybe just doesn't care. It doesn't matter. But it would bother me. I think when Trump feels like he's going to lose, his idea is just like maybe don't say anything about it at all. And maybe just kind of like play it cool because if he went all in and then still lost, which I think that probably would have happened. I don't think Donald Trump helps a ballot measure out here. Just call Peter Thiel and be like, give me$20 million. Yeah. But Newsom was like, oh, we don't need to raise any more money.

59:16At the very least, you could have had to force Democrats to spend more money in California. You've got some money dropped in here. I'm interested in the margin in Jersey to see how it is compared to both 2024, when obviously Trump made up a lot of ground in New Jersey, and also the last governor's race when Phil Murphy was the incumbent and Jack Cittarelli had run again. And then same thing with Virginia, basically, how does it compare to Kamala's margin in Virginia? Although I would say that Spanberger has pretty much a worse opponent than Cheryl does, for sure. Definitely. At least popular opponent.

59:50So anyway, it'll be interesting. And then, of course, Mamdani will be a problem. I know. I know. We'll see if we'll see how many Curtis Lewa voters there are and whether Cuomo can make up any of that any of that large gap. I think Mamdani is ahead by like anywhere from 10 to 15 points in the polls right now. All right. On that note, please go vote and get everyone you know to vote in Virginia and Georgia. Polls are open until 7 p.m. local in New Jersey, California and Pennsylvania. It's 8 p.m. local and in New York City, it's 9 p.m. No excuses. Go vote. votesaveamerica.com slash vote if you need more information.

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1:02:40Joining me in studio today is George Redis. He's a Ventura California native and a U.S. Army veteran who was taken by ICE and detained for three days without charges. He's now suing the federal government for the illegal detention. George, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. It really means a lot. I mean, I am so sorry this happened to you. And I have been so angry on your behalf. And I'm also just so grateful for all the ways you've served this country, including speaking out right now. So thank you. I've been thinking about your story a lot. I've been talking about your story a lot.

1:03:15But for people who aren't familiar, maybe you can start by talking a little bit about your life before your detention last summer. Yeah. I was born and raised in Ventura, California.

1:03:30I was basically a single mother. My dad was in and out of prison. So a single mother, have two older siblings. I now have three younger. And so a big family. And so just at 18, I mean, I just graduated high school. I went straight into college. I went for photography, just trying to figure out life at that time. I didn't know what I was doing. I was just, I don't know, I guess making wrong decisions, just hanging with the wrong crowd. Not really hanging with the wrong crowd. I wouldn't say that. I was just making bad decisions myself. And just, I don't know, I felt like I was trapped just in a circle of just like not doing anything.

1:04:15And I just felt like I wasn't doing anything with my life. I just felt like there was no purpose. I felt like I had no purpose. And so I just wanted to do something bigger. I just felt like this wasn't meant for me. Like just doing nothing is not what I'm here to do. And so I felt like there was just something more for me to do. And so an easier option to do something bigger and contribute to like the bigger world is easy path is the military. Like no matter how small the difference, like the military was a perfect way to start. And so when I was 18, I joined the Army, ended up going infantry.

1:04:52All the recruiters, they were infantry, so they convinced me to go infantry. And so I ended up going to basic training, Fort Benning, Georgia. I went there for basic training. From there, I went to Fort Wainwright, Alaska. And from Alaska, I ended up deploying to Iraq for 10 months, from 2019 to 2020. And after that, I went back to Alaska for a little while. And then I ended up coming down on orders to go to Fort Hood, Texas. And so I ended up finishing the rest of my contract down there. I got out honorably. I was really on the fence on like re-enlisting or not, if I'm being honest with you. It was just like at the time, the military was all I knew.

1:05:37I mean, I was only 22 getting out. And like after going through all that, I don't know, I felt like I was done a lot more stuff than like kids of my age or like people my age. And so I don't know, the military was all I knew at that time. And just for me, the biggest reason I got out was for my kids, like not having to be in the field every other week for two weeks at a time or not having to deploy at like any second. So I got out and that was kind of a hard decision for me. Um, just cause I didn't know what I wanted to do. And so I got out and I stayed home for a little bit, just enjoyed time with my family and I got, got tired of that.

1:06:13Um, not of the kids, but just being at home all the time. Um, just, and so I ended up going to school just trying to figure out what was the right path. So I went and got my license to drive semi-trucks. And then after that, it was just, I started a job, didn't like it. I was like, this isn't me. I ended up going to dental assistant school and just was like, yeah, this isn't me either. But I got my license for that. And I was like, okay, cool. And just something else. And eventually I was just, I got my guard card in Texas. And then I got my guard card in California. It was just easy for me. I mean, it's all I did in the military.

1:06:51So figured just might go something natural. And so I got my guard card. And the beginning of this year, I ended up moving back to California. And I got a job working security for a security company called Securitas. And so I got a job with them. And Glass House Farms, where the whole incident takes place, ended up contracting out that security company. And so that's where my security company put me. And so for seven months, since the beginning of this year, I was working at Glasshouse Farms. And so that's how I ended up being there when the entire situation took place. So if you wouldn't mind just explaining like what happened when you got close to work that day in July and saw all the ICE agents, you said your car had a disabled veteran plate and sticker showing your service.

1:07:44You told agents you were a U.S. citizen and Iraq veteran. Did any of that seem to matter in the moment to them? What happened? No. I mean, I'll just start from the beginning. Yeah, sure. Just to make it easier. So that day, July 10th, I was going to work as normal. I was pulling up to the main road that my work is on, and there's just cars piled up, like bumper to bumper. People weren't even in their cars. It was just literally crazy. It was chaos all over the place. And so I'm making my way through all this. I mean, even though all that's happening, work never called me saying, don't show up today.

1:08:21Don't go in. And so I make my way through all this because even though this is happening, I still got to go to work. And so I make my way through. And eventually I get to the front of where everything is happening. And so there's a line of agents lined up across the road, all in gas masks, all in their gear and just lined up across the road, stopping anyone from going. And so there's a car in the right lane. And I don't know if there was anyone in there, but I ended up pulling into the left lane right beside the car. I'm a good distance away. I put my car in park. I get out, close my door, and I stand right beside my car.

1:08:58I don't approach them. I'm not getting in their face. And so the first thing I say when I get out of my car is I tell them I'm a U.S. citizen. I'm just trying to get to work. I'm not here to protest. I'm not part of the protest. I'm not here to get in your guys' face. I'm literally just trying to get to work. And they were just completely hostile. Are we able to cuss on here? Yes. Okay. Absolutely. Just had to confirm that before. They were just telling me to get the fuck out of there. They were telling me to pull over to the side. They were telling me to get in my car. They were telling me that work is closed, that I'm not going to be going to work today.

1:09:36And so they were just all being hostile for no reason. And so I ended up asking for a badge number just to let Notework know. I tried to go into work, and I wasn't able to. And so I asked for a badge number. And so after asking that, for some reason, one of the agents got super upset over that. And that's when he tries to like step forward to try to approach me. And it takes another agent to step forward and like hold him back from approaching. And I see that and just I'm not wasn't there to escalate. Like I'm not trying to escalate things further. And so I turn around to get back into my car.

1:10:14And simultaneously as I'm getting back into my car, the line of agents starts walking towards me. And they surround my car. And so I'm sitting in my car. I have agents on my driver's side, on my passenger side, pulling on my door handle, banging on my window, telling me to get out. I have agents in front of my car telling me to reverse. I have an agent behind my car, like in my rearview mirror, telling me to reverse, like trying to show me to reverse. And so just all of them yelling at me to do different things. And so I'm sitting there just trying to figure out the situation. and eventually they end up reversing me into like an angle sort of and they reverse me back into the right lane.

1:11:00And once they put my car into the right lane, they end up throwing tear gas into the protesters and they throw tear gas behind my car and it just engulfs my car in tear gas. And so tear gas gets in my car and I'm just trapped in the right lane and my car just trapped with tear gas trying to hold out as long as I can. And at that point, they left my car alone. and the entire time I'm trapped in my car with tear gas, their vehicles are passing by on the left-hand side. Their trucks, their buses are passing by on the left-hand side. And so I'm just trapped in my car with the tear gas, eyes watery, trying to catch my breath.

1:11:37I couldn't see. And once all their vehicles finish passing by, I don't know what reason they had or why they did it, but for some reason they re-approached my car. and so they re-approach my car and they surround it again agents on my driver's side agents on my passenger side pulling on my door handle banging on the windows telling me to get out the agents in front of my car are telling me to reverse telling me to pull over to the side and I'm just in there coughing I'm like pleading with them like I'm trying to leave like I can't see there's a cloud of smoke behind me like you could obviously put the entire situation together like there's smoke behind me.

1:12:16There's protesters behind me. I like, I can't see. I'm literally, I'm trying to catch my breath. My eyes are watery and I'm just pleading with them. Like, I can't see. I'm trying to leave. And just eventually my driver's side ended up giving in and it shattered. A glass flew into my leg, immediately following it, shattering, no questions, no nothing. Another agent sticks his arm through and pepper sprays me in the face. Um, they end up dragging me out of the car. They throw me down and i'm basically like a rag doll letting them do whatever um, not fighting just letting them do whatever uh And so even though i'm letting them do whatever when they throw me on the ground um An agent comes and he nails on my back and then another one comes and he nails on my neck and The entire time they're like that i'm telling them like I can't breathe like i'm telling like i'm just pleading with them I can't breathe um you guys like you could put the entire situation together I was just trapped in my car with tear gas trying to catch my breath.

1:13:18You guys just pepper sprayed me in the face. And now you guys are kneeling on my neck and back. Like I'm telling you guys I can't breathe. And I mean, they didn't care. I couldn't tell you how long I was like that for. Just eventually they zip tied my hands and they picked me up and they ended up walking me back to the farm where I worked. And the entire time they're walking me back, they're just asking each other, like, who's taking responsibility for him? Like, who's he going with? Like, who's taking responsibility for what happened? And they're just all asking each other this as they're walking me back.

1:13:50And so they ended up walking me back to the farm. Are you talking to them at this point? Like, are you asking them, like, hey, I'm a citizen. What are we doing? At that point, I'm telling, like, I'm a citizen. Like, I don't know what's wrong. Like, I'm a citizen. And I was just telling them that the entire way back. They didn't care. They didn't care. Took me back to the farm, and they sat me down right there in the dirt with my hands zip tied behind my back for about four hours or so. And throughout that time, they only asked me for my ID once. And I tell them it's in my car. Like, I'd be more than happy to show you, like, I have my ID.

1:14:22Like, I could prove I'm a citizen. Like, on my car, it says, like, I have DV plates for disabled veteran. Like, I have an Iraq combat veteran sticker on my windshield. Like, I told them I was a veteran. And that was it. That's the only time they asked me for my ID. And that was it. After the time there, they ended up putting me back. They put me in an unmarked car and they drove me into like a convoy kind of like basically a convoy to a Navy base in Port Wainimi. And they took us onto the base and took us to this giant open field on the base. And every federal agency you could think of is there, FBI, Homeland Security, ICBP, people from the Navy, National Guard.

1:15:04And they take me there and there they do my fingerprints. They swab my mouth for DNA. They take my picture. They end up reading me my rights there, but saying that they were only investigating what had happened. They never said that I was charged with anything. They never said I was being arrested. They just said that they were investigating what had happened and why I was there, and that was it. And so I literally told them the entire situation, exactly how I'm telling you, and that was it. They asked me the questions, and then they put me back in the car, and from there they took me to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown LA and we got there around 10 30 at night and I would assume they in process me like a normal prisoner they strip searched me um and at that time I asked them like can I like when would I be able to call a lawyer like could I call my family and they just ignored me completely and so while I'm they're strip searching me I would tell them like my skin is burning like they sprayed me with tear gas and or they spread like I was trapped in my car with tear gas and they sprayed me with pepper spray like my skin is burning and I tell them that and they tell me like like I'll get over it the effects will wear off that it'll pass and so that was it they end up doing my fingerprints and they took my mugshot and after that they took me upstairs and they put me in a cell with one other person the professor who was also arrested that day and so that entire first Thursday night I'm in the cell and my body's just burning my hands my face My skin, just my entire body is on fire.

1:16:41No other way to put it, just an extreme heat that just would not go away. It wouldn't let you wash your hands, shower, wash your face. So they ended up giving us dinner and sandwiches in a sandwich bag. And so I took the sandwiches out, and I filled up the sandwich bag with water from the sink. And so that entire night, I was alternating my hands in this bag of water, just trying to relieve the heat. And I don't know if it helped or if it made it worse, but it just would not go away. And so that entire first Thursday night, I'm just burning. Just like that, the entire first Thursday night, I don't sleep.

1:17:24And so Friday ends up coming around, and they finish doing my in-processing. they let me talk to a medical and it's just basically about our past life and how we are now and after that they let me talk to a psychiatric nurse and after the question she asked and the way I answered them she felt like it was best to put me on suicide watch and so that Friday morning they ended up putting me on suicide watch and suicide watch is just this yellow concrete room a concrete block in the corner with a thin mattress on top. There's this tiny little rectangle window. It's a glass door and an officer sits up there 24-7.

1:18:07A psychiatric nurse comes and checks on me once a day to make sure I don't kill myself. They leave the light on 24-7. I'm in there naked in a hospital dress and I'm like that from Friday morning to Sunday afternoon to literally the point I'm released. And so Sunday morning, close to afternoon-ish comes around and an officer comes up to the cell. He walks up and he's just says, I'm off suicide watch and that I'm going to get released and walks away. And so even though he says I'm off suicide watch, I'm there still in those conditions. And I mean, I don't want to get my hopes up. I mean, I'm still there and so I'm there for a couple more hours and eventually another officer comes up and they open the door they walk me downstairs, they give me back my clothes and I sign for my phone, my watch and my piercings and stuff and that was it they said that I was free to go, that all the charges on me had been dropped and that I was free to go and so that wasn't good enough for me and I asked them so I was locked up in here and I missed my daughter's birthday for no fucking reason.

1:19:19And it was just the loudest silence ever. Literally the loudest silence ever. No explanation, no nothing. They let me call for a ride. They walked me out and that was it. I was free to go. Never heard anything back from them, never nothing until I wrote an op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle. And then they came out with a tweet or whatever saying that I assaulted agents and that stories like mine demonize ICE agents. And it was just crazy to hear because after all that, after just being released, no charges, after even on the paperwork, it says that I was only detained pursuant, detained pursuant to arrest.

1:20:04Basically, I was arrested for being arrested. That's the only information it says on the paperwork is that I was arrested for being arrested, basically. um and so with that being the only explanation and them tweeting this um it was really crazy to hear it was insane that this is really the stance that they're willing to go behind and die on that i'm just like this crazy person and like they just try to paint me as this villain and like i'm this bad guy um when that's not the truth at all um i mean there's so much evidence out there there's helicopter footage and so it's just like why i was gonna say i've seen the footage yeah on the local news and it was there's a lot of footage of you like the whole story you tell about when you get out of the car and then when you back up like that's all on film yes exactly exactly exactly what was going through your mind in those three days that you were in in jail like what um did you think that did you think that you were getting out did you think they were going to send you somewhere else were you like how am i going to get on the phone with a lawyer or my family?

1:21:11Honestly, the only thing on my mind were my kids. Like when, like, I mean, the last thing I told them was like, I'll see you later. And like later never came. And so. How old were your kids? My daughter had just turned three that Saturday. And my son is eight.

1:21:32So you finally get out of this nightmare. mayor, you go back home, and then you decide to file a lawsuit against the federal government for seemingly violating multiple constitutional rights that you have as an American. What are you hoping for out of the lawsuit? What do you want them to do?

1:21:56So what I want out of the lawsuit is obviously accountability. I mean, you don't just go around and take away people's rights and get to treat people any way you want. I mean, it's just crazy to have no accountability and just to take no responsibility and no explanation for me for what happened. It's just crazy. And so for myself, I want that accountability of just take ownership of what you did to me. Take ownership of what you did. And don't lie. Like, just tell everyone the truth. And I guess the bigger picture for the bigger change is for them to amend 1983 to add five words in it, which would include federal officers, which would allow people to sue federal officers, basically, because right now it's basically they're untouchable.

1:22:56I mean, if a state officer had done what they did to me, I would be able to go to court right now and file a lawsuit for everything that happened. But it's the fact that because they're federal officers, I show up to the courthouse and they tell me basically, like, unfortunately for you, like, yeah, your civil rights were violated. But unfortunately for you, they're federal officers and there's no clear path for you to file a lawsuit. So they shut the door in my face and not only my face, but for everyone that's filing the lawsuit currently, they're going to be met with the same endeavor that I am.

1:23:29Just a door shut in your face. And so my bigger goal is to amend that statue, make it where to every single person could get accountability and justice for what happens to them. For a federal officer, any federal officer, FBI, ATF, ICE, IRS, it doesn't matter. any officer that violates their rights it gives them accountability and justice and so that's the bigger goal and that's my bigger message for everyone i am i i became aware of the way that the the law is um reading that the new york times did a story i think the other week where they um wrote about trump suing his own justice department now for coming for for the charges and the investigations against him before he became president for the second time and he will now settle his own lawsuit against his own government for something like over 200 million dollars won't even go to court he'll just obviously the federal government will settle with donald trump um and And then they contrasted, I'm sure you've seen this, they contrasted that with you.

1:24:38Yes, I saw that. And people like you who've been detained. And I had not realized that if you are deprived of your constitutional rights as an American citizen by federal officers, it becomes very, very challenging to win that lawsuit. Like you can still, I guess you can still file it, but that these federal agents have almost total immunity here. Yes, basically. And so it's just crazy. Like you would think that if anyone violates your rights, no matter who, you would be able to get justice for what happened to you. And it's just crazy to think and just to realize like that's not the way it works.

1:25:14And you would think like a clear path would just be to, okay, let's amend the statute and let's fix this problem, this crack in the law for everyone. Like it just doesn't affect the left or right. It affects everyone. Like they could violate anyone's rights. And so that's scary. It's scary that there's no justice for anyone. And so it's a very concerning hole in the law. And so. What, I know you went to Washington last week or the other week. Yes. Tell me about your trip to Washington. So my trip to Washington, it was fun. It was my first time in Washington. The weather was nice. Everyone told me it's not normally like that.

1:25:54It's true. So, I mean, Washington was fun. I spoke to lawmakers. um we spoke to senators and basically told them my story in person um gave them the solution basically like i'm telling you in 1983 and just basically what i told you and so i literally gave them that explanation uh to everyone i spoke with and the biggest like confront i got out of it was there's nothing wrong with it it's just politics the bigger there's nothing wrong with the law there's nothing there's nothing law with amending that law but unfortunately oh because of politics politics won't is the trouble with amending it you got congressman raskin and johnson too they're gonna try to push for it um but yeah clearly uh republican congress is not gonna pass it yeah a democratic congress and a democratic president may hopefully yeah but we are not there yet i don't know i mean that's also a big reason why people it's a big reason for people to speak out and to call their people in charge for everyone to make their voice heard.

1:27:00I mean, it's all our responsibility. So. I don't know if you saw Christine Elm, the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. She was asked at a press conference yesterday about American citizens like you being arrested and detained for no reason. It's happening more and more. And she said, quote, no American citizens have been arrested or detained. We focus on those who are here illegally and anything you would hear or report that would be different that is simply not true and false reporting. Any response to that? I mean, I don't really, I don't feel like I need to respond when I'm, I mean, I'm, I mean, it's all over the news.

1:27:37It's all over social media. Like I'm not blind. Like I obviously see what's going on in the world. People see what's going on in the world. Like just because they say something, does it make it true or doesn't mean people believe them? And so, I mean, they could say whatever they want. I mean, the facts are out there. People are able to film and, like, take pictures and record. So, I mean, everyone gets to see the truth. I mean, so just because you send out a tweet or just because you make a comment doesn't make it true. And so, I mean, I don't really need to say anything. I mean, hopefully my case goes to court or whatever.

1:28:12And, I mean, the truth gets to be presented to everyone, like, in front of everyone and in front of the world. How did you make the choice to speak up at a time when a lot of very rich and powerful people who know this is wrong have decided to stay quiet? Were you at all scared to do this? No, I was not scared one bit. I mean, I don't scare it easily. but I mean you don't just I'm not the type of person to just let something happen to them and like walk away I'm definitely not that type of person to see something wrong and turn the other cheek and so so I mean you don't just get to do this to not only me but everyone else and just not take accountability and so for me once this happened to me like I mean I never had a voice before like I never had a platform or been on the news to like make my voice heard or anything so I mean now that being given the opportunity I mean I always talked about wanting to make a change in the world I mean I did before the army and so like I asked for all this food on my plate and when it's finally on my plate like I can't turn it away now like what am I gonna do it's like just let this keep happening no I mean I understand people some people have their reasons for not wanting to I mean maybe family, maybe other reasons.

1:29:40They're just scared of retaliation. But I mean, that's not me whatsoever. I'll take this head on. I'll take the weight of the world against me and I'll see this through. I'm not a problem. I mean, the truth is out there and I'll keep saying it and I'll keep letting it be known. What do you think about what's happening in the country right now? I think it's crazy and I think it is absolutely wrong you don't just get a mask up and cover your face and just go around questioning people asking them if they're here at E-League or not you don't just get a nail on people's back, you don't just get a break cars, you don't get a violate people's rights in general and just do all these things it's completely wrong and it's crazy and so that's another reason why I'm doing this hopefully doing this and allowing people to take accountability for agents violating civil rights makes them think twice before they even think about doing something and so I'm hoping that it fixes them doing this fixes the overall picture and fixes the problem with the way agents act because it's just crazy there's no way There's no way this is like the right type of, there's no way.

1:31:01Like it's complete and utter insanity with the way they act and the way they treat people. It's just completely wrong. Like it's crazy. Yeah, it is. How are your kids handling this? I keep them away from this as much as possible. I mean, there's no reason for them to hear it. I mean, when they get older, I mean, if they want to look into it, I mean, that's on them. But I mean, I just keep them away from it. So. Well, I'm glad you're back home with them. Thank you. I appreciate it. They're going to be really proud of their dad someday. Thank you. I really do appreciate it. They really are because what you're doing is, I think it's brave.

1:31:37I think it's hard. And like I said, it is a fuck of a lot more than a lot of people who have a lot more protections and a lot more power are doing right now. So, like, you know, you've served the country bravely even before this incident and you're continuing to do so now. And I'm really grateful for that. And I'm grateful that you stopped by and told your story. So thanks. Thank you for having me. I really do appreciate it. I mean, I can't share my story without people like you. And so, I mean, it's just as meaningful as me telling my story. And so together we are making change. We will keep sharing it and we'll keep pushing until we get that law passed.

1:32:14Thank you so much. Thank you.

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