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12:45Kate Berlant:because like me coming home going like well anyway we'll talk about it later I'll sleep over but

12:51Jacqueline Novak:I'll go and pick her up for a hike imagine I roll up imagine I hearing the uh flow out of your mouth i could literally start crying but yeah imagine me rolling up at such such an appropriate you pick me up you pick me up i'll go anywhere 8 a.m you can make me up even earlier 8 30 oh hey when i really yeah beat the heat beat the heat well actually i i

13:13Kate Berlant:have been once again considering what if i lived on crazy idea folks new york time while living in los angeles interesting okay i'm up with my people the new yorkers okay i'm conducting business You're in the market. And then at 3 p.m. Market opens at what? Yeah. Okay, 2, 9 a.m. Eastern. Wait, is that true?

13:33Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, I think that's true. I'm on London time. I have to be up. I'm in the market. I'm in the market. I'm in the market. I'm in the market. That's a Sex and the City shout out to an episode. Yes. With the mean husband. He makes an appearance in exactly one episode. Sounds about right. Oh, wait. What? My spider right now is sucking this insect.

13:51Kate Berlant:No, I just want to make a note later to remind you to talk about her facial expression. I saw Kate make recently. And it went like this. Out of context, out of context, Kate. Oh yeah. Out of context, Kate.

14:01Jacqueline Novak:Okay.

14:02Kate Berlant:Okay.

14:05Jacqueline Novak:But will you remember to tell the story dinner tonight?

14:08Kate Berlant:I am actually. I've already been planning it. I've already been planning it.

14:11Jacqueline Novak:Dinner tonight. I'm already aware. I get the email.

14:16Kate Berlant:6 a.m. You're like, you're like dinner. You're so, you know,

14:21Jacqueline Novak:I talked to Jacqueline at 8 50 this morning. 6 p.m. Question mark. Because I woke up getting so excited for dinner. Yeah, you're like, margaritas.

14:31Kate Berlant:There is nothing quite like the moment when the margaritas arrive. Yeah. So, no, but I was going to go to a birthday showing of Insidious, but I got too freaking tired. And, yeah, I don't know if, I mean, Insidious is, you know, I love the Insidious franchise. I've been singing its praises. Never seen it.

14:51Jacqueline Novak:I do think I've been very scared, but I do think we should see other mommy in theaters.

14:56Kate Berlant:Definitely. Considering I screamed, folks. I repeat, I screamed and my whole body jumped during the trailer.

15:05Jacqueline Novak:For other mommy, which we saw.

15:08Kate Berlant:This is what I'm trying to say. This is why horror matters. Well, I was thinking of you.

15:13Jacqueline Novak:I'll tell you what matters. The television show, The Americans, which I've heard about for years. Have you watched it?

15:18Kate Berlant:How dare you?

15:19Jacqueline Novak:How dare you? Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. I am the Americans. Okay, okay. I love it. I love it. So, Stan Beeman. I would be, I'm only on episode three. Played by Noah Emmerich. I'm only on episode three. He's probably not Stan Beeman.

15:30Kate Berlant:He's the neighbor. Anyway. Okay. Oh, he's fabulous. I mean, I think he's from Biggest Truman Show. I go, you tell me you love Felicity, okay? You say she's our greatest actress. Well, hello. Welcome to the Americans. Okay. Russell to me. And I said - Russell and Reese.

15:44Jacqueline Novak:Russell and Reese. I said last night. I said last night. Unmatched. Her voice is - Okay. Her voice is in my blood. Yeah.

15:51Kate Berlant:I hear her talk on a somatic level.

15:54Jacqueline Novak:I change. Felicity, I was exactly of age. Yeah. Phenomenal show. Phenomenal performance. She is one of the most beautiful women that's ever existed. I happened to be at the New York, at Lincoln Center. You saw her live? Seeing Annie Clark, a.k.a. St. Vincent, perform at the Philharmonic. Beautiful show. Yes. And rushing through the lobby. Who walks towards me? Carrie. And I, she is a big one for me.

16:17Kate Berlant:You don't mean, do you mean, wait, wait. did you talk to her?

16:20Jacqueline Novak:no oh no walks towards you on the way to the bathroom so they're just like in the crowd yeah yeah yeah no she comes up to me she goes I'm a hag no but she is so it happens folks listen here's a term I hate aging gracefully right yeah because fuck off right yeah fuck off go to hell actually I have a lot to say about that but listen okay okay because I've seen some but she is so beautiful and she's someone I don't know what's going on she looks like herself yeah she looks like yes, this is, this is nature. She looks like a piece of nature, like a beautiful piece of nature. Which is what women, which is what we all should strive for.

17:00Jacqueline Novak:But you know, it's like, she's undergoing the natural process of life. I'm sure she's getting the best fucking facials and whatever the fuck shit you can get on this, on God's green earth. But I just feel excited when people, and I do think everyone should read the Gia Tolentino wrote a fabulous piece on, um, like instagram face and kind of plastic surgery and all this and she's you know i love her um i

17:23Kate Berlant:haven't read that but of course i've read stuff it's like you know it's like when you get to the like uh the secondary media before it's like i'm on like in like sub stack and it's like referencing the thing i haven't even gotten to the oh of course it's like referencing trick mirror yeah yeah but it's like no i'm not saying you're referencing it i i'm just saying i'm saying the article i know what you're saying oh so so of course but you know i saw something recently

17:49Jacqueline Novak:and there were two things there were two things where you know because this is like very me right

17:54Kate Berlant:you know how sometimes i'm very very protective of like like i really and i just i have to follow my own soul right like i don't like always to like say the name even if it's like a celebrity right

18:04Jacqueline Novak:wait what do you mean though well i'm about to tell just i'm about to acknowledge like something

18:08Kate Berlant:I saw in the news or whatever okay sure and like or or something I saw like a celebrity say and I just don't want to be talking about them on the podcast I want to talk about what they said okay

18:18Jacqueline Novak:so if you know you know and if you know you know all right yeah I saw someone you know doing a

18:24Kate Berlant:come clean you know talk talk you know as is the trend now right everyone talks about this is what I do yeah and you know they and now and they it's like you know the new thing seems to be get your facelift and get your personal assay out there right it's or whatever get the facelift and do the do the and say you know i never thought i'd do it right it's it's almost right there's this whole kind of so you know who you're talking about yeah keep going i'm not but there's so many at this point that i'm actually like yeah it's borderline no no it's good no it's trying to throw you off the set you have to do the press release about the thing here here's here's it's not an objection.

19:03Kate Berlant:I just want to acknowledge that, you know, you go, I'm a feminist. I want to raise my children to believe blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it comes the butt. Right. And then you go, here's the good stuff. Right. What's coming after the butt. Right. What is the, and it's, it's not, you know, and I hear this from other people. Okay. Two. It's not that I look old and I don't like that I look old. It's that I look sad.

19:28Jacqueline Novak:Tired. No, no, more sad.

19:30Kate Berlant:Okay. Like, So they're like saying like, you know, it's just that like, I look like, you know, when my face is, and it's kind of like to me like, yeah, that's what looking old looks like. Yeah, it pulls your face down. It's not because it's fundamentally like, it's like, you know what it is exactly, here's the metaphor I'm looking for. Okay. It's like in the jerk, like, like Steve Martin. It's like, it's like when he's, I'm not upset we lost the money. It's all the stuff or whatever. I'm doing a lot. Yeah. yeah but where you're saying the same it's the same thing right yes it's like it's that's yeah that's why people don't like it if if looking old meant turn you know it's not about looking old it's about looking sad if looking old meant suddenly your face turned into someone else's face okay a gorgeous other person's face you know like you're not like i'm not myself anymore right it's like yeah anyway it's just so it's kind of this it's god ricky lake has a good work

20:28Jacqueline Novak:are you poking around or no no no my look my arms are well what's interesting i'm just reflecting imagine she did she did my arms are crossed because a new thing she did a big here's my plastic surgeon and here's what i did and she takes fatty 15 i remember or was it 13 um and i remember sorry but oh my god this is just i was like i wish you could see i'm gonna stop talking about it guys but my spider is wildly spinning what has to be a moth or a small butterfly like this wrapping it up into a wrapping it up into this cocoon it's just the force with which it's like speed bag oh my god oh my god it's unbelievable yeah it's like by the way i'm

21:04Kate Berlant:thinking of going to boxing i'll go with you i wonder if i could shoot it from here by the way three days three days back on the stimulant aerial silks and boxing are on the table suddenly oh my god i'm getting footage i'm getting footage it's kind of grainy oh my god but it'll give you

21:18Jacqueline Novak:an idea trigger warning for the arachnophobes okay before we um yeah okay I do think you'll be excited to see it. Oh my God. Look at her go. Yes, bitch. Go, go.

21:30Kate Berlant:Whoa. Imagine you found out the spider wasn't my hand. Okay. Aren't they all girls? No, no. I mean, the web girls are. The web girls I think are.

21:40Jacqueline Novak:Yeah.

21:40Kate Berlant:I'm just saying that's what I mean. Like, he was an impersonator.

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29:01Jacqueline Novak:So I'm just back on the same point from before.

29:03Kate Berlant:I'm just thinking, but it's like, it's like, it's not that I have a problem with, with, with looking old. I just don't want to look like a gargoyle.

29:09Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. You know, you know, it's like, yeah, it's like, that's what it is.

29:13Kate Berlant:I just don't want, you know, it's just, but beauty, like, you know. Vivian Westwood. It's exhausting when you're about to state what couldn't be more of a cliche, right? But these cliches, you have to unpack, you have to go deeper, okay, and ask yourself what, because they mean different. Okay, here we go. Here's what I'm trying to say. The disconnect we have. Okay, I've got it. It might take a few sentences, all right, to find my way. Because then I lost it. All right. So if someone says like age is beautiful. Okay. Like an aging face is beautiful. Right. I think like we need to see the beauty.

29:55Kate Berlant:Okay. And the aging face. All that. Right. Smile lines are beautiful. All this. There's a condescension and there's a, oh, we're upsetting the thing. We all know it looks bad. And that's why we're saying actually there's beauty in it. Okay. Shit. Okay. Yeah. that's not it okay that's like um that that ain't it okay that that's not what we need that's annoying all right what about actually perceiving literal beauty like going no that's beautiful I don't mean that's beautiful because it's hideous and hideousness has meaning you see what I'm saying there's a big difference there's like like just to take it out of the realm of of women and whatever consider my cat blossom you know also known as snoozer back in the day snook you know when she was 23 right and looked elderly unbelievable she the beauty okay the beat the flat out beauty it was literally its own beauty it was not a yes like a hashtag brave you know

31:02Jacqueline Novak:what i mean like oh i felt just seeing my my 95 year old aunt like beauty it's a specific

31:10Kate Berlant:it's a specific type of beauty yeah and it's beauty nonetheless and like you know it just it's not the you know tiara on the you know you know the isn't she gorgeous yeah and it's it's not it's like you know i'm actually saying it's beautiful

31:28Jacqueline Novak:It's not post-chimp attack. You're reducing to one pointer finger and one tooth, and they put a tiara on you and go, isn't she? Oh, she looks beautiful.

31:39Kate Berlant:That's rude.

31:40Jacqueline Novak:That's, yeah.

31:42Kate Berlant:That's, there's so much, there's something like that happening recently where I felt that. I felt much like the tooth and the index finger, you know, and by the way, higher dose blanket, I come in so I wake up early in the morning and I decide I'm gonna do the stack okay of the p.m.f. Matt right these are some of our biggest you're gonna lay on the p.m.f. and then and then and then lay the blanket on top of me you did it because they actually show that on the thing I did it last night and then I sort of fell asleep like that and then like stumbled to bed but then I think I must have kicked it on really late to the 12 hour so the p.m.f.

32:17Kate Berlant:Matt was was on all night on

32:19Jacqueline Novak:very low heat which is fine yeah I come in booze laying on it okay in the morning and it's like

32:25Kate Berlant:the sweetest thing because it's like you know he found it right like he's using he found it he recognized what was up yeah and then i turned on the ions for him because he was he was only

32:35Jacqueline Novak:you know the ions why would you turn off ions why would you not have ions on it's the the only thing

32:41Kate Berlant:that runs automatically for 12 hours or three hours or one is the heat setting so i couldn't i had it on the night before it that shuts off quicker i would have had ions on for him and he was welcome to turn them on himself by the way i've been training him with my clicker oh you've seen it right so now i get him to click here treat here so now i hold the clicker and he taps my no yeah my pa i thought i think i sent it to you you're in the mid system stuff because i didn't get the reaction oh yeah i didn't understand what was going on no yeah yeah

33:09Jacqueline Novak:that's why you know you know i gotta video it more uh look i'm completely turned around in a full trunk recording turn stretch yeah what if we this is just just for fun okay hold on on imagine if we recorded in a full seated stretch all right so take this one of these

33:30Kate Berlant:half the episode is you know up yeah around and then look heaven hello hi would the people feel it and then and then for the second half of the app i'm over here

33:44Jacqueline Novak:around i think they might feel it glance don't you love the you know what i'm talking about

33:49Kate Berlant:yoga seated and you're twisted folks okay yeah and you're you're looking and you're in this noble twist looking off i always think that's one of the most beautiful it feels good it really it

34:00Jacqueline Novak:feels like a swan yeah it feels like you're really presenting yourself i don't feel like a swan when i'm doing that i feel like sorry okay wait i need to turn off imagining someone thinking that not to brag but i need to turn off my ac because it's freezing cold one second you mean because i live

34:15Kate Berlant:without AC?

34:17Jacqueline Novak:Let me find something I wanted to share this week, a reading.

34:22Kate Berlant:I'll read a little prayer I found in a book right now. Oh no, it's, it's multiple pages. Well, this is what I'll do. I'll separate it out over a few weeks. Prayer to see, prayer to see. Okay. I opened Untie the Strong Woman again. And I saw what was the beginning of this prayer. I was like, Oh, a little prayer I could read for Kate. So she could, you know, and then I turn the page and see it's longer, but we're not going to read the whole thing. I'm going to read four short lines this week and everyone's going to digest them. Okay. And everyone's going to, you know, and then, and then it'll expand it, you know, week after week.

35:01Kate Berlant:Okay. So you're ready. Yep. Okay. Okay. Prayer to See. And this is coming from Clarissa Pincola Estes, best-selling author of Women Around the Wolves. All right. May we ever leave the unlit tangle we've gotten ourselves into. Again. The one complete with blinders, not of our making, or shutters we've studiously hand-hammered over time. Oof. One more.

35:32Jacqueline Novak:A little confused, but continue.

35:34Kate Berlant:Well, I could check the, well, because this is, sorry, because I could check the, just imagine them going, I'm clocking the Celsius on top of the stimulus, Jacqueline. You might want to pull back a little bit. I'm just excited. All right.

35:53Kate Berlant:Because there's, what's coming next is the may we instead, and then it's the length of much longer. You know what I'm saying? But I actually think this is cool. if we start with the negative and reflect on it for a week. See what I'm saying? So like, may we ever leave the unlit tangle we've gotten ourselves into again. Okay. I like that. Okay. The one complete with blinders, not of our making, or shutters we've studiously hand-hammered over time. Okay. Okay. So that to me means both blinders. I could be reading it because it's or, not nor, but I think it's saying the blinders other people put on us or ideas or whatever.

36:31Kate Berlant:or the shutters that we've hand hammered studiously. So I think it's those that are, you know, our responsibility and those that aren't or whatever. So we'll sit with that this week, folks.

36:43Jacqueline Novak:Sit with it. Sit, sit, sit with it. I'm trying a new Spindrift flavor. Not my favorite. Cosmopolitan. They were out of Punch. Island Punch. We've got cranberry, orange, and lime. To think you've never had, in all these years, my dad fix you a Cosmo. but your dad does cosmos yes he's been doing it for like 15 20 years i love this point i know and

37:08Kate Berlant:and he makes a good one okay and it it rocks you know he's stuck to it you know and and people request it that's really fun and i knew you would love it i knew you'd love that

37:22Jacqueline Novak:well so really quickly the americans there's actually not what you want to say just that last night it was really fun because i think we were on the third episode of the first season i would consider a re-watch simultaneously to you it's heaven we're ready it's been years for us okay yeah totally and then i did a thing where i i really we were in a moment i paused it and i said i just want to say this is a great show and i pressed play it was like i had to just i had to go they don't make them like this anymore there's a level it is the right recent russell the writing

37:55Kate Berlant:And then knowing, of course, that they were falling in love adds a certain dimension, a certain subtext.

38:05Jacqueline Novak:Because they were right at that time. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what season they got together, but they got together.

38:13Kate Berlant:And then we used to see actor Noah Emmerich sometimes on the Upper West Side. Okay. When Chris and I lived there walking around the neighborhood where we were neighborhood eccentrics. concentrics because all, you know, all, all day long we're walking around and we look like, you know, sort of like slobs. And so anyway, the point is we felt like we were known, you know, Chris had long hair. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, and occasionally don't want to blow up where he lived. Okay. You know, six years ago, but, and he might not have even lived there, but Upper West Side, you see Nora Emmerich and you go, God damn, I'm glad to be a New Yorker.

38:53Jacqueline Novak:Okay.

38:53Kate Berlant:You go, you go, we love the show. Stan Beeman all the way. Okay. You said it? Or whatever. Yeah. I think so. I'm trying to remember. Did we yell out Stan Beeman? What did he do? What did he do? Or not. I can't remember if this ever happened, honestly. Okay. It might have just been, like, now I can't remember if I even saw him. Yeah. Or Chris saw him and it's so hard in my mind.

39:11Jacqueline Novak:That counts in a way.

39:13Kate Berlant:I think we, no, I think we did a, I think we did a, what I like to think of as a New York, you know, it's not, it's not LA where you have to banana, banana. out and back away like wouldn't even know why i'll remember cut to okay terminology of banana out but she's gonna be nominated oh yeah she's not some freak she's emmy nominated yeah yeah um but new york to me this is so important you shouldn't even have to do that in new york because the understanding is we're all new yorkers we're all on our way somewhere right and it's sort of like it should be assumed a new yorker isn't going to bother you and i think for the most part it is yeah so it's like i feel like in new york it's a little more like you give a little nod almost like you know like it's kind of just like love your work you know like it's just an acknowledgement that's the respect i tell the generations okay enough with the gossip okay go to a dinner and see a celebrity next to yourself and don't listen and i mean that's what's yeah guys if you move to New York.

40:20Kate Berlant:You have a chance to have a little self-respect and go, I'm a New Yorker. Yeah. I eat in restaurants with other, with, with people I admire. Okay. And because I'm a New Yorker.

40:32Jacqueline Novak:And freaking Fran Leibowitz sat down next to me. And yeah, I was performing the whole dinner for her and she didn't notice. Yeah. Yes. We shared a banquette bench. She must have caught. Yes, we saved a banquette bench. She must have caught some of the hilariousness. No way. Also because it's so cool it was you know loud and it was of course straining to keep my eyes on my

40:51Kate Berlant:dining partner do you do you remember who you were no with because were you with someone else who would be able to deliver at your level like it was like not like you was with john or something okay but drone wouldn't be drone wouldn't be aggressively performing in the same way that we would yeah totally so you didn't have to compete no i would imagine drone brilliant director he would be able to give you the yeah give you just what you needed to shine um these muscles okay if you get in there it's just it's just oh i had the dream where a massage artist said um god you're tight while working the traps and i was like unusually so you know like

41:34Jacqueline Novak:right right no wait that why i'm i have a question yes do you think this is a huge question i think I know the answer for you. Do you think we eat inside or out? I'm sorry.

41:48Kate Berlant:No, tonight's inside.

41:50Jacqueline Novak:Sorry. I'm saying, do you think it's not a good idea to say out loud? Like for example.

41:58Kate Berlant:Yeah, I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I have a plan. I want to do it proper. You don't know what I'm talking about though.

42:04Jacqueline Novak:Oh no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying like, for example, there's something I kind of want to share. it's a good thing but it could be a jinx obviously it's not like news it's just like a thing that's going on could be a jinx but do you believe no health oh you're like oh no no no you don't mean

42:26Kate Berlant:like like my rosacea is gone yeah exactly exactly like do you think and then it's like don't do that because then it comes back no i think that's like that's you know ocd like okay i'm gonna say it i'm gonna say it yeah actually it's funny you say this because two days or yesterday or two days ago i actively said to a friend on a thing it was like i don't want to say because i don't want to jinx it or whatever i'm like no it's not like that it's like if you don't get the job or whatever it is it's because you know it wasn't meant to be like yeah like like you're beyond jinxes like you deserve the game okay anyway sorry my question is like did i experience spontaneous healing

43:05Jacqueline Novak:because I'm just going to say it. I haven't had a migraine in a minute. No new medication. I'm off the injections I was on for reasons I...

43:20Kate Berlant:Wait, imagine if it was due to all the emotional stuff, like that emotions are flying out, so you're crying. Well, that's why I'm wondering. And you're not shut down.

43:30Jacqueline Novak:I'm wondering if there's... I don't feel shut down generally though. I feel that I am expressive, but I'm like, what the fuck?

43:39Kate Berlant:Yeah.

43:40Jacqueline Novak:What the fuck? Because I want to actually want to look at my, I'm someone that gets at least probably two migraines a month. Right. If I get one a month, I feel lucky and I'm pretty diligent about tracking them. Oh my God. Well, it's been months. Yeah. Not months. My last time I had like, I had four in May.

44:02Kate Berlant:Damn. and then like one in july and i had to take i had like two in june it's not sad that that's me

44:13Jacqueline Novak:feeling cured but it kind of is you should you should see my you should see april you should see but i am just and there's been a couple things i mean my my period's gonna drop any second that'll

44:24Kate Berlant:be the ultimate i hate the phrase drop i find it really disturbing because to me it's just like i was thinking about it like like because it's such our like lingo or that you use so i'm almost tempted to use it um to you but it's like it just really gives me like this feeling of like like a heavy egg like dropping oh god yeah

44:46Kate Berlant:um well you know what i've had covered oh yeah go on can you believe it though spontaneous healing

44:51Jacqueline Novak:like what the fuck and like triggers like i've done a couple things like you know one of the things i can't do because it automatically triggers a migraine is have any alcohol on an empty stomach right so like i've had it happen more one sip of something boom like at dinner

45:04Kate Berlant:before the food arrives right oh i'll have four olives it's like no i can't i'll get a migraine yeah it's happened a couple times i go oh fuck it i'm okay last month my period nothing a couple

45:16Jacqueline Novak:like i don't know i don't know and it's not and what's really interesting is i have not been without stress what have your breakfasts been did you start adding something no wait what about the new magnesium or whatever the powder that supplement the pouch yes hasn't that been like two months not every day though not every day i have not been religious with it she's speaking of the agent natu which i was actually trying to steal from jacqueline natu yeah and i was like hold please because i just ran out of my magnesium yeah totally qualia i want to see what yours is

45:47Kate Berlant:yeah it's a qualia it's a qualia i should send them well we've i've asked i've i've been like reach out to qualia and qualia was like we don't think the audience is um i'm like oh you don't think our audience is interested in supplements like that's funny that's funny like guys at qualia we yearn to hear about you on the podcast how about something like that yeah please send

46:10Jacqueline Novak:i mean they have sent to poog to be to be clear qualia is not sent honey they have sent 100 fucking percent are you thinking of symbiotica i am 100 sure it's qualia we got a we got like the

46:23Kate Berlant:mood pills the focus ones i have them in there okay but we never got magnesium i want to know what kind of magnesium is in here in in qualia are you looking because it's um let's see it's like six kinds that's why i was like mamacita you know what i want to actually it combines 10 here comes a qualia ad by accident but 10 me reading off their website can you imagine 10 magnesium forms 70 plus minerals and trace minerals okay and oh by the way guess what

46:58Jacqueline Novak:i want to start integrating and i'm convinced that this is the stack this is the stack okay the qualia or some kind agent nature some kind of like spectrum magnesium the k2 and the d3

47:11Kate Berlant:all right i i forgot about that for three and a half years i've completely been as you say i sleep the wheel when it comes to k2 and d3 thorn makes a liquid that has both right and i think i own it

47:25Jacqueline Novak:i think i bought it used it once put it in a thing and never looked at it again creatine for brain

47:32Kate Berlant:health yeah we got to um we got to find a way into that people talk about the muscle you know

47:38Jacqueline Novak:that i fell prey to the whole thing see this is what happens so today marks actually i think today's the day marks one month no social media for me wow so it's like a minute with that that's recovery interesting oh but i was saying when i was deep in my when i was really scrolling way too much i got convinced the creatine like i was like creatine gummies like some bitch was like advertising being like shredded with like array creatine gummies and like a little dutiful little capitalist zombie little consumer sheep went running went running to air one you're My hooves clumped into Erwan. And I've got the creatine array gummies in there.

48:24Jacqueline Novak:Really?

48:24Kate Berlant:I guess I might as well eat them. Fresh out of it, straight from Erwan. Actually, where we're going to dinner tonight, not far from Erwan. I know. We wanted to do a wild supermarket sweep in there together.

48:35Jacqueline Novak:Did you watch Supermarket Sweep? Yes. God, that was so sad. I remember the paper towels, the rolls of paper towels.

48:42Kate Berlant:because the whole idea was just that you can get whatever you want right or was it a competition to get the most value get the value right which is oh she's going to a laundry detergent like that's a high value item i can see the guy's face who did that god because times because it's like it's funny that that was the thing because of course it was maybe i'm in a modern mindset where everyone's so desperate that i'm like it was it was to see how long you could feed your family

49:11Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, yeah. You know, like, it was. No, it was just. Yeah, absolutely.

49:17Kate Berlant:But there was something about, like, if it's really just value, then there's an item in there that 100 % is the most value per, right? Where, why didn't everyone just run straight to that one item and, like, load up on it? It would be boring.

49:31Jacqueline Novak:Yeah.

49:31Kate Berlant:So there was something about it that, you know what I mean? Like, there's an answer, right, to that problem, to the supermarket suite problem, right? Like, there's an answer. Someone knows it. Oh, there's an answer. And I bet they're discussing it somewhere on Reddit. I'm just taken with my neighbor's ficus. I love a ficus. It just fills my window, and it's just incredible. You know, she grew it in a single pot, broke through the pot, reached into the earth, and now it reaches to the heavens.

50:02Jacqueline Novak:So generally, I don't care about Halloween. That sounds mean. It's not that I don't care. I'm happy for people, but I don't partake. Like I don't spend. Well, it's interesting.

50:13Kate Berlant:We all remember. Was it last year's episode or no? Or two years ago at this point. How long have we been doing this? Remember my ghoul?

50:21Jacqueline Novak:No, I bought last Halloween season. Oh, the cookies for the neighbor?

50:26Kate Berlant:No, that was Christmas. That's Christmas.

50:27Jacqueline Novak:I'm always going to do that.

50:28Kate Berlant:I'm going to do it this year, but maybe. But those boxes. Remember you were like sending me pictures of the boxes?

50:37Jacqueline Novak:They were huge. Oh, I just got chills. thinking about the texture of the box i bought a halloween costume that arrived

50:45Kate Berlant:um serious don't say what it is yet because this is like exciting so so truly last halloween season

50:53Jacqueline Novak:i think i was browsing a halloween costume whatever and i see one i go that's pretty good and i could just live in my closet and it was like out of stock notify me when available and i thought what the hell so i put in my email i just forgot about it entirely and then maybe five months ago i got an alert happens hello this is back in stock it was no is it just like a cheap thing or is this some like high-end no no no i think with shipping and everything it costs 65 bucks but it's not like it's one of those ones that comes in like a plastic thing with okay like it's something that so it's not a high-end like you know it's not trashy lingerie is 600 like do they have that oh yeah like i mean halloween though they have like chashu lingerie oh yeah chashu lingerie which is an iconic place in los angeles where my friend in high school worked you could go and buy they have incredibly expensive beautifully made sexy halloween

51:49Kate Berlant:costumes to me though you know by the way i can't remember if we ever got around to posting it remember when i spent all day crafting and then never made it to the party or whatever oh the sweetest and then cried because remember i was envisioning you being blown away by my costume being like my own head on a table i do remember of course it's one of our most precious moments that was a real 80 i mean the one thing i can say for my life right is that i figured out how when when mental illness okay strikes me yeah you know i uh quickly uh wrap a bow around it and share it with the public so they can enjoy it and that is that helps you know what i mean like i mean like like it's just like yeah yeah i didn't make it to the party but at least we all got to have a laugh well it makes it worth it absolutely makes yeah it's the pain worth it sometimes having a podcast sure does that that's the other that's the hidden that's the hidden cost folk

52:45Jacqueline Novak:okay and with that i'm so excited to go to we're going to el coyote tonight iconic Mexican restaurant here in Los Angeles made famous of course by being the last restaurant that Sharon Tate dined at which is really upsetting and that's why I think I'm stammering on that sentence there but can't wait to see you. Love you. Alright, love you.