Eat the Apple that Falls

11:06Jacqueline Novak:I'm a hijiki whore.

11:08Kate Berlant:Hound. Okay. I go, if I could get hijiki in my home. I know. I don't want a ramen. That's the only thing keeping me truly from having the macrabole, right? In my own home. Oh, yeah, right. Everything else I could steam easily.

11:21Jacqueline Novak:You know what I want? I want Our Place to send the Instant Pot. Yeah. I want the Our Place Instant Pot because I think it's like healthier. Like the materials.

11:30Kate Berlant:You know, I did a deep dive and I ended up with nothing other than the instant pot that I've, you know, used. Which I have thanks to you. By the way, you know what I've been doing? I've been creating the growl bowl. I don't have it all worked out, but I did do essentially like for the week. And I made the oatmeal, the steel cuts, and I put in the omelet powder in advance. I put in cinnamon and ginger in advance because I always put those in for health benefits, not just taste. Yeah, of course. And you got to really load up the ginger. And then I put in flax seed, ground flax seed. I did it all.

12:07Kate Berlant:And then I cooked lentils in there too and then worked them in. I'm trying to figure out some way that I could make it where maybe, I don't know, one pot, truly one pot, not cooking, whatever. So I got the lentils in there. With the oats? Yeah, that's like the growl bowl, Gregor. Whoa. Okay? Because I'm trying to make it like the protein plus. Yeah. You know, grang. And then he has the bro bowl, which is, I forget, but the point is, you know, because some people want it. There's bro and grol? Sure is. B versus G. It's like buckwheat instead of groats or something. I forget exactly what the deal is, right?

12:42Kate Berlant:We get that in there. And then what else do I throw in there? Well, of course, my berries. I got to get back in the instant pot. You know, it's unbelievable. You want to know what's one of the most delicious things in the world. It's kind of interesting because it's not that common. I mean, it is, but hot strawberry. Are you hearing me? When you bite into a hot strawberry, like, mmm.

13:04Jacqueline Novak:Stewing, listen, stovetop berries. I go, because I go, I go through phases with breakfast. Oh yeah, your little coconut oil. I have my different desires. And I was doing stovetop, frozen blueberries, a little bit of water, powdered cinnamon, ginger powder, moaning on all fours in my kitchen floor, screaming. Did you get strawberry in there? It's so sweet. So sweet you go, how is there not cane sugar in this?

13:32Kate Berlant:No, I know. The sweetness. Almost too sweet. Almost. Yeah, borderline too. I've had it with the berries. That's why. It's almost too sweet. Have you ever been treated to, I'm trying to remember what this was, you know, these desserts where it's like a strawberry with a balsamic? Okay. Okay, with the balsamic cutting it, the balsamic little glaze. I've seen that.

13:51Jacqueline Novak:To me, it's like my least favorite food on earth would be a mesclun salad. If you have mesclun greens, I need you to...

13:58Kate Berlant:Because they're so bitter?

14:00Jacqueline Novak:No. Mesclun greens offer nothing to me. There's no pleasure in them. They're flat. They're watery. I don't like it. I don't think you should have to pay for mesclun greens. Mesclun greens should always be free. But of course, there's no situation where that can happen. Right. I don't like mesclun greens. My nightmare salad would be mesclun greens with goat cheese, strawberry, and balsamic. I would throw that across the fucking room so fast.

14:27Kate Berlant:This is hysterical. You know why? Because that is incredibly common. Common, right? Now, guess what? I don't want a strawberry in my salad.

14:35Jacqueline Novak:Before I would eat that salad.

14:36Kate Berlant:Now, I would eat it, right? Relatively speaking, et cetera. Blah. Okay. Okay. But in another time. But yeah, it's too bitter. It's too whatever. It's like. And there's no there, there. In terms of leaves. There's no there, there. And I have an issue with frisee. However, if it's layered, if it's layered, if there's a layering of a leafier green followed by whatever, I like crunching into a frisee if it's on the top of the thing. Sure, sure. Or you're kind of like...

15:07Jacqueline Novak:It's like you're choking. I just don't like it.

15:09Kate Berlant:I don't have a problem with bitterness.

15:11Jacqueline Novak:I don't have a problem with bitterness.

15:11Kate Berlant:So if you want to flood your arteries, okay, with nitric oxide, any leafy green, this is Esselstyn, anointed with vinegar. Anointed is hysterical. Hysterical. As in what, just? Yeah. You know, just enough, right? Because the combos is not for flavor. The combo does something and creates a nitric oxide. My mouth is watering thinking about it.

15:36Jacqueline Novak:Well. Ooh, I had probably opposite of that. I had pork and milk.

15:41Kate Berlant:us the point is for four days i just need to get this out okay four times a day i mean what fucking world it's so kate if you're a state if you're at home all day sure for your whole life you gotta look you could make it happen because technically even if you eat out there's a green

15:56Jacqueline Novak:around there's vinegar around okay yeah but what you're asking for hey can i get a side of greens and they go we can't do they go just please and they go yeah 450 well i mean i mean cheapness is

16:08Kate Berlant:is not a value. Okay. I think it's impossible to maintain unless you have a very specific lifestyle. What if it's whenever, and you do, what if it's whenever you're home? Sure. Okay. And I'm saying, so, so what I tried to do, oh, you know what else I'm getting back into? This is kind of huge. I'll, I'll argue this is health. This is Whole Foods news. Yeah. Okay. They've got the broccoli sprouts now in a bag. Remember when I was sprouting my own?

16:33Jacqueline Novak:i try to see so easy so sprouts speaking of sprouts sprouts grocery store unbelievable savings i know and i'm in there for sprouts i said to someone else i had an issue well kate berlant just said she loves sprouts i'm in for sprouts now yeah and savings are made me look this i go they made a mistake savings are too shocking they made a mistake i was at the cashier i go now do i have to sign up for additional value she goes no that's just because you're party being here at sprouts what organic berries aren't driscoll because driscoll we have to boycott driscoll they literally like strangle their farm workers like it's fucking hell i mean i'm not i mean see here comes the season to this but they're really bad here's my issue because driscoll has they have non-driscoll organic berries at sprouts no but two for nine dollars

17:15Kate Berlant:question about driscoll right because i wonder because driscoll features um where they say it's driscoll organic now what that means to me i'm pretty sure okay like this is organic but here's my question are they not this is what i'm picturing and this is what we've we've learned and so they need to watch out as a brand okay is it not the organic berries here and right next door and the runoff goes down is that what you're saying straight blows right over from one to the other

17:39Jacqueline Novak:we're not doing that at all and that's a similar thing with oats this is why the jury's out on oats is a lot of people go even because you know you're doing um three degree third degree what's What's the oats that we condone? Oh,

17:53Kate Berlant:yeah. I'm always like farmer's best or whatever.

17:56Jacqueline Novak:But they're third-party tested, no glyphosate. But then some people say, there's just some people, that the oats is a similar thing and that the glyphosate is carrying.

18:06Kate Berlant:But if they test it after the fact.

18:08Jacqueline Novak:That's what we hope. We don't know.

18:10Kate Berlant:We don't know. That's the whole point of that is that they test the batch once it's been pulled. I mean, also there's a level of just, you know. What? You eat the apple that falls, you know what I mean?

18:21Jacqueline Novak:What do you mean?

18:21Kate Berlant:If everything's fucked, we do our best, right? Oh, it's all poison.

18:24Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, yeah, of course. No, trust me, I'm getting to the plastics thing. It's all plastics. And I go, oh, fuck, the cans, you know, the spindrift can is actually laced in plastic or whatever. Every can has plastic. It's just unavoidable. I know, I know. Completely. You're freezing things in plastic. The plastics are going in. Whatever.

18:41Kate Berlant:I liked when I left an empty can of Celsius.

18:44Jacqueline Novak:Did you feel sweetness? I drove Jacqueline actually right here from where we're recording to MCafe. We had incredible macro bowls. Shout out to American Rag where you can go buy things, have MCafe.

18:57Kate Berlant:The MCafe pop-up is inside of American Rag in District La Brea. And local hags. If you go to MCafe, please say Poog sent me. That's why I brought it.

19:06Jacqueline Novak:And Burrow's right across the street, basically. Poog what? What was that?

19:08Kate Berlant:Poog podcast. Poog podcast. Please. And then feel free to pull up our faces.

19:14Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, and go, these two. And then you remember them? And then when we go, we're in.

19:18Kate Berlant:But the Burroughs store is over there.

19:21Jacqueline Novak:And if I could just... I want to get you to Larchmont. It's a very LA-based episode. Because it's pretty close. Yeah, because it's right where you live. And there's a lot of fun walking to do over there. Shopping. Larchmont Beauty. The best beauty star.

19:34Kate Berlant:When I walk around Larchmont, it kind of reminds me of like I'm in the suburb of New York City in a cozy way.

19:40Jacqueline Novak:It was very suburban. It kind of feels like almost... Nothing bad can happen. Nothing bad can happen. on Marchmont.

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21:11Jacqueline Novak:Caffeine being added to Element. I stopped in my tracks. Kate, you realize that caffeine doesn't actually give you energy, right? I love caffeine, but as you know, you got to be careful with the way you're ingesting caffeine.

21:26Kate Berlant:No, it just blocks the receptors that make you feel tired. That's a painful truth and one that, well, I guess Element is interested in helping us navigate.

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21:52Kate Berlant:Look, I drink element because it all started with all the sweating and noticing that I felt better when I had an electrolyte drink during a deep workout or a sauna session.

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23:23Kate Berlant:By the way. What's that?

23:24Jacqueline Novak:What I'm holding. What is that? Oh, yeah. What is that? You've been holding it the whole time?

23:28Kate Berlant:Yeah. It's like honey quartz or something. It's not. Don't freak out, everyone, and think it's clearly citrine, okay? It's not. It's pretty. Citrine is nice too. But yeah, I'm holding this. Oh, you know what? You know what has begun? Harness training boo. Okay? He's gone outside two days in a row with me on a leash. Cute. No, he isn't going far. Yeah. He's sniffing around and I'm feeding him a churro, which is like, you know, like the junk food they can't get enough of out of a little tube. Churro? Yeah, it's called, I think it's called Churro, C-H-U-R-O.

23:59Jacqueline Novak:I once fed a recently adopted cat rescue who was very traumatized chicken out of a little tube. Yeah. He was in the back of the closet. I coaxed him to the front of the closet with the chicken out of the tube.

24:09Kate Berlant:A friend?

24:10Jacqueline Novak:Yeah.

24:11Kate Berlant:Stray Cat Alliance, by the way. Guys, it's springtime. Just following some of the work they do. I say it once, I say it again. Yeah, a cat. Cat will change your life. Yeah, it's true. It's true. Cat will change your life. And so last night I laid on my stomach. It's actually interesting. I've been resisting. What? Sorry, the moonlight. Two things happened yesterday really quick.

24:34Jacqueline Novak:I eat a lot of eggs. The eggs that I've cracked. Yesterday, passively cracked an egg, two yolk.

24:41Kate Berlant:Is that supposed to be? Prosperity. It is?

24:43Jacqueline Novak:Oh, yeah. So I go, I mean, the amount of eggs I've cracked in my life. It's unimaginable.

24:48Kate Berlant:Yes.

24:48Jacqueline Novak:And by the way, the eggs were from, you guessed it, Ojai. Sprouts.

24:51Kate Berlant:Oh.

24:53Jacqueline Novak:They're from Ojai. But two yolks, I was like, I literally ran in, my partner was in the shower. I ran in, I cracked open an egg, two yolks. They're very sweet to go along with it. Yeah, yeah. To generate a little excitement. A little enthusiasm for sure. So that was huge. And then also new thing, here's what I'm calling camping. Sleeping with the bedroom window because there's a window over the bed. Window wide open. There's a screen there, but wide open, blinds open so that dawn. Dawn rings in. And it feels like going to sleep camping. Calling it camping. One of the most glorious experiences.

25:28Kate Berlant:And then, I mean, like, falling asleep to crickets. I came home from a camping trip and I go, I'm never sleeping inside again. I know. My parents, I go, I'm going to sleep on the deck.

25:35Jacqueline Novak:You know, Woody Harrelson won't sleep with windows closed. Even if he goes to a hotel, he has to have a hotel with open windows.

25:39Kate Berlant:Which, by the way, it's interesting how indoor air is the most toxic. I think it's a practice in other countries, burping the house. Ew. I know. Yeah, yeah. But any, but any, no, you have to have the airflow. So we see that little like gadget. It's like, it looks like a little bird or something. There's many other ways to do it, but a little bird, it's like, call, call. When it's dirty. Yeah. It's like time to open it up. And then I saw someone else posting like, five things that changed my life. I'm like. God, I get those every day. And one of them was, you know, sleeping with the windows open and.

26:12Jacqueline Novak:Moonlight woke me up. Imagine when I'm in bed. Woke up. Moonshine on my face. Spiritual. Yeah. But then I was awake for an hour because I had green tea late at night. Shout out to a gyoza bar in Echo Park. Unbelievable. I had fucking unbelievable. When was it? I go to Los Angeles. You. God, you're good. Unbelievable. We had an incredible meal. Amazing salad. Cold tofu. Oh, we talked about it. Angelini Osteria. We talked about it.

26:38Kate Berlant:I forgot. Fantastic.

26:39Jacqueline Novak:Walk down the street to Hokkaido, the Japanese imported soft serve milk. Unbelievable.

26:45Kate Berlant:Matcha swirl with mochi.

26:47Jacqueline Novak:that you can't have anywhere unless you go to fucking Japan. Honestly, mochi made me go, mochi. You don't get that mochi at Pinkberry. I tell you that much. Beautiful, beautiful.

26:57Kate Berlant:Do they have mochi at Pinkberry?

26:59Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. They try. Yeah. And they have fun mochi, but it's mochi for kids. This mochi I go, no, this is mochi. Wow. You only get three balls.

27:08Kate Berlant:Wow.

27:09Jacqueline Novak:They're like this big.

27:10Kate Berlant:Remember the Italian restaurant? I go, it's enough to me while I was trying to order.

27:14Jacqueline Novak:What?

27:16Kate Berlant:It was in Rome, I think. No, no, no. I just told you about it and told the listeners about it. I was like unclear if what I'd ordered was enough. Oh, he said it's enough. And he sort of breaks in like, it's enough.

27:28Jacqueline Novak:I'm trying to get you. Okay, so we just got word from the woman who created the sonic vessel, Sydney. Audio? Who does audio transmissions, sonicvessel.com, that there's going to be an alien. She said, I'm getting the information, but something in the desert end of May, joshua tree some kind of alien going out there getting the alien downloads could be huge i'm actually a little worried because now i fully crossed over where i yeah it's not it's not in the kabbalistic sense it's not about belief in aliens it's knowing we know it yeah it's just dropping into the knowing and i really am actually scared now because i'm opening you know meditating whatever what if i get abducted well that seems like they always return you i wrote in my journal And I was like, I don't want to be abducted.

28:11Jacqueline Novak:Because I was actually thinking about it. I go, do you want to be abducted? Am I open to being abducted?

28:15Kate Berlant:Respectfully, I wish to see you. I wish to be abducted.

28:18Jacqueline Novak:Am I open to being abducted? Because here's the thing. I feel like they almost always return you. Well, but the drop back is hard. You get dropped back in your life. That's what's hard. I went, it's not about the abduct. It's not the actual abduction that I fear as much as the reiteration after. And no one believes you. And then your world's just shattered. All these people who have these encounters, their marriages end. Encounters on Netflix. By the way, there's more than enough people now. 17 year marriage happened to 17 year marriage dissolved overnight business dissolved overnight he goes i saw the fucking spaceship they go i can't do this with you doll well because no but

28:50Kate Berlant:the i can't do this with you doll i think was mostly about and i understand this okay like it wasn't even disbelief it was just like he was obsessed with like getting the radar data and proving it of course proving it and it becomes and that that's you know they can't

29:04Jacqueline Novak:I actually had, I was like, if I saw an alien, I mean.

29:09Kate Berlant:I think it would be like this. I think it would be like, you know, it's so weird right now how like it's not even that weird. Like this should be really freaking me out. And I'm like, kind of like not.

29:19Jacqueline Novak:I can see that happening. Well, that's what happened. That's when we saw the congressional hearing with the guy being like, yes, the aircraft crashed with biologics. It was like, okay, yeah, I don't know. This UFO crashed the aliens inside. Yeah. Like it doesn't Something about it doesn't pierce I don't know what it is Well you know I mean Because it makes sense We're a vault We are We've destroyed the planet And the aliens ostensibly are native to earth And they're us in like you know Fucking 150 years or 2 ,000 years or whatever Maybe there's a lot of options A lot of options

29:49Kate Berlant:Might be self-flattery You know what I mean It really could be You made something better than you You're me in a few years Coming back to help me be what I am You

29:59Jacqueline Novak:i know well they have clothes apparently some yeah when they're like when they're like yeah the suits are kind of um i have friends that are almost concerned the last week and a half i've gotten so alien not actually concerned like jokingly concerned and then i'm getting a little agitated on text i'm going so what you think aliens exist you think we're the you think in the vastness of the universe or we're the only fucking well yeah here's a cake and they go no no but evidence i go talk about it with everyone yeah exactly you can't talk about it okay it's i

30:28Kate Berlant:I mean, we can do our thing here, okay? And we can play and be funny here about it. And we can talk about it with each other. But not everyone can handle everything. Well, by the way, you know what people can handle?

30:38Jacqueline Novak:There's some article, I have to read it in The Guardian. What's his name? The climate science guy. I'm just going to say this briefly. Something about how the tides in the Atlantic are shifting. I saw that. The Atlantic thing is collapsing. Collapsing. Yeah. Basically, all of Europe is going to have no ability to generate food in the next 10 years. So.

30:56Kate Berlant:Yeah. It's going to get. It's great. What was I? No, I know. What was I? Oh, I saw a lot of posts about. Hold on. Well, I was starting. Yeah, I was starting to. It's time to. Learn how to survive. These fucking. Literally any. Yeah. Basic scenario. Without a CVS handy.

31:16Jacqueline Novak:I know.

31:17Kate Berlant:Maybe try. I was like thinking like, you know, I'm getting dinner with my farmer relatives tomorrow because

31:23Jacqueline Novak:I got to get in with the farm. I got to go.

31:24Kate Berlant:Well, you need to make sure that you can that when you're knocking on their fence. they're not sending you away. They won't send me away. You want it to be better than that.

31:33Jacqueline Novak:I need to get in. Better than not sent away. I need to get in. I need to start learning about farming. Well, that's gone. I need to get in there so I'm half farmer.

31:39Kate Berlant:Yeah. Half farmer. Funny farmer. I'd take like, I'd take like, I'd take a three month, you know, us and maybe our partners, we go somewhere and we learn skills. What about the farm? Frog Hollow farm. No, not just farming. Yeah. Oh, all of them skills. Yeah. It's a lot.

31:59Jacqueline Novak:Like, can you tie a knot you'd hang by? No. No. I'm cyanide pillar on the neck. I think I'm just going to. Yeah. I don't know.

32:08Kate Berlant:But at that point, you might as well see it through. Like, let it take you for more life experience. Totally. You don't want to be sent right back down to Earth in a new form because you didn't, like, ride out the end. See what I'm saying? Duck out early. Of course. In that situation, they send you back to experience the floods. Oh, my God.

32:31Kate Berlant:I just hope that

32:33Jacqueline Novak:given the fact that by the way we will do Pook through the end we'll be broadcasting oh yeah and we'll need your payment we'll need you to be up the subscription

32:45Kate Berlant:sending canned foods we'll be doing dispatch well that's where we finally you know is it radio waves what's the format pure telepathy well that's the other piece of this if we don't get serious about a variety of skills now, Kate.

33:01Jacqueline Novak:What do you mean like telepathy? Astral projection. That's what I'm saying. We got to go into meditation. Listen, 30 minutes a day can provide you with the tools.

33:09Kate Berlant:Yeah. Yeah. 30 is more than, 30 is hefty. I know. I'm saying, but 30 minutes a day, you go 30 minutes a day, that's a lot. That's better than 15 and 15.

33:16Jacqueline Novak:I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Because they say morning and after, you know, the classic. No, but I'm talking about specifically with meditations designed to like the brainwaves equalize you, get you prepped for astral projection.

33:31Kate Berlant:Oh, my dead face, just if anyone's not clear. No, I didn't think you were dead. Literally 15 years ago, I was listening to the Kelly Howell No, you were ahead of it. I was ahead of it fully.

33:39Jacqueline Novak:Oh my God, oh my gosh, head of memory. I did one of the sonic vessel first transmission. Sorry, this is almost too private to say, but I'm going to say it. I swear to God, I saw, I had two spirit guides. Holy shit. I bet you did. And here's what's really funny. They were with me. I don't know if I want to say this, actually. I feel it right now. Don't.

33:58Kate Berlant:Yeah. Yeah. It was cool though. I, um, I'd like a more visceral relationship. Having another realization. Okay.

34:08Jacqueline Novak:Wow. Remembering some stuff? I gotta get off scroll. I gotta stop scrolling. Dulling the blade of the, of the mind.

34:14Kate Berlant:It's so obvious. It's so obvious that, that, but then as a result of it being obvious, we ignore it, which is imagine handing your attention over. Your life. Okay. Your consciousness.

34:25Jacqueline Novak:Imagine handing it over. So a company can make an extra$1.20.

34:30Kate Berlant:Going.

34:30Jacqueline Novak:Oh, my God. Going. No, no, no. Take my whole life.

34:35Kate Berlant:When you think about it. Take it all. Guess what? Think about this. What is meditation, right? Okay. You're like, I'm going to be aware, right? Awareness. Consciousness. I'm going to sit in awareness, right? Yeah. Notice, whatever. And then you think of what scrolling is, okay? Fire hose. Yeah. Okay. Which is plunking it down. Yeah.

34:54Jacqueline Novak:I know. And letting it be.

34:55Kate Berlant:unfurl into hell yeah so you know i gotta get serious so what do we do

35:03Jacqueline Novak:what do we do how do we do it it's like a complete abstinence is impossible because i because my fucking bag is online yeah so we gotta post a bit i don't know i don't know

35:13Kate Berlant:i don't know i don't know i don't know i guess we um i guess it is a little weird that it's wrapped up in our like personal like i guess it's sort of it's sort of like if it's if our bag is wrapped up in posting then somebody would say that you have to hire someone you have to hire

35:28Jacqueline Novak:someone get off there but i want my little cookie i want to say hey that's what's hard i crave i

35:34Kate Berlant:crave the connection that it offers you mean you do you mean the like like yes because you know you you posted something recently like you know like needed a hit yeah and that was like some like hot photos and then like people are like mother or whatever yeah and i'm like yes yes

35:48Jacqueline Novak:children and you no i crave it i've had an unnatural need for attention or maybe not unnatural but i've had it innate and and absolutely just bottomless need for attention since i was a child i would argue oh okay i'm degrading myself a little bit but but i used to get my rocks off i get my rocks off get your rocks off on stage i bet they're right i used to not i used to not year probably on this podcast but we all remember when a million fucking years ago you know i i

36:24Kate Berlant:posed this quandary earliest down of days to chelsea pretty and she's like you could turn off you know the comments or whatever on like youtube or something or whatever it was yeah she's like something about like you don't have to they can talk about you online you don't have to provide them the platform exactly so talk about how ugly i am i need the comp yeah yeah i need the compliments again she goes no you don't yeah there it is there it is mommy yeah there it is

36:48Jacqueline Novak:by the way did I already talk about this on on the pod but how my friend's kid is like fully screenless like a toddler oh my god and they're really really diligent about it and I haven't seen the child in a long time but I have a friend who has and is like he's a genius and by genius meaning he doesn't he truly does not interact with screens I think he's four all he does is read obsessed with books being read to and that he had a memory he was like I want the book he was saying the title of a book and they're like what is he talking about like he doesn't have that book they look it up it was a book that he had seen they had gone to france or something it was a book that was like a french book in a children's bookstore that he remembered like the like wow and now the kids i don't know what do you do you can't have a kid unless what do you do

37:35Kate Berlant:yeah i mean it can't um no no no it it can't um well you're here sick of my fucking chat

37:44Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, yeah, no. Thicken myself. Oh, okay. Here's what I was going to say. The agitation. Oh, the depression of yesterday. The next thing, the thing that I'm like, oh, by the way, my jaw's been acting up.

37:53Kate Berlant:I saw this person do this. Okay.

37:57Jacqueline Novak:Pushing it forward. Careful.

37:58Kate Berlant:But I was lying on my stomach.

37:59Jacqueline Novak:Yeah.

38:00Kate Berlant:And here's what I did. Because I couldn't bring myself to just sit and be aware in front of our red light panel. Yeah. Wow. So I lay on my stomach because I want it to be close. Hang off the bed. And I have it like this. So it's getting like half of my face and whatever. And I'm. scrolling for Chewy, to be clear, Chewy.com, looking for a perch for Boo in another tunnel because he loves his tunnel. It was heavenly. Okay. That was a wind down. And then I went over here. Okay. And I did it. And I go, this is good. And I started muting my Joe Dispenza. I'm all about, we got to get back to blessing the energy centers.

38:31Kate Berlant:Okay. We got to get back through intention affecting our own field, Kate. Histamine intolerance.

38:43Kate Berlant:sorry it hurt the laughter hurt me no well that's the pepsid zirtec i know i know histamine i read the thing they go if you suffer from the above if they if you suffer from this you might have

38:54Jacqueline Novak:histamine intolerance uh brain fog depression anxiety uh aches and pains dr me headaches it's like well yeah yeah welcome and but and then somebody actually had reached out and was like you might have tomato, like tomato allergies, histamine intolerance, one-on-one. And as we all know, I get migraines. My new, by the way, my guys, my, my prescription for my migraine medication, my injection is coming through and I will be doing the injections live for bonus. You have to pay to see me do my migraine injections. To watch, to watch the needle. To watch the needle go in.

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41:20Kate Berlant:Oh yeah, but how to do the greens? Impossible. Want to hear me trying because you know I'm a solutions-based woman, right? How much arugula? Give it to me. A handful will do. A handful will do. Which is what, half a cup? Probably. Fistful? I mean, I'll have to ask Esselstyn. I love arugula. And I love vinegar. By the way, I love arugula. Mm. Mm. Dead serious. I was blown away by it. I was like, God, it's peppery. No, no. But what does this mean?

41:47Jacqueline Novak:Bad arugula? Worse than bad arugula? Bad arugula. Bad arugula make you go, I don't fucking want that. Why? Bitter?

41:56Kate Berlant:By the way, I never got to tell you the broccoli. So it's the broccoli sprouts, okay? Oh, yeah. So I go, all right. What do they say?

42:01Jacqueline Novak:Like every day and then you never die, basically. Yeah.

42:04Kate Berlant:Okay. And you get sulforaphane, which you also get by tearing up your kale and letting it sit for 10 minutes. Stay with broccoli. Kale too? Oh, yeah. Cruciferous. Okay. You tear it up. The sulforaphane is produced because it produces the stuff to protect itself when it's being torn. Whatever. Gregor classic. Fascinating. So the broccoli sprouts are like fully that, whatever. Point is, I'm like, all right. And part of the reason that I try to create convenience is so that I can then force those around me. To also take part. Okay, my partner, you. Okay. So I go, I go, I asked, I asked Chris to get some toothpicks.

42:35Kate Berlant:I'm working on the, okay, but I'm, I'm, what I'm planning. Okay, a little collard, a little collard or other, or big lettuce leaf, you know, the big one. By the way, I'm in a wide, by the way, look, I'm in wide second. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. Okay. So, so I'm going to get the greens in there, the sprouts. In where? wrapped inside another leaf. So it'll be like my greens and then anointed with vinegar. An Amuse Booth. So I grab one, boom, out of the fridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the little thing I grab. The handful's not bad, honestly. The handful works. And then I'm thinking, but if it were pre-made like a little roll that I just reach in.

43:11Kate Berlant:Yeah. This is another thing for me. I really want reach in, and I've looked. The options are not as plentiful as you have to go custom, okay? Containers meant for the fridge that you reach in and without having to like take something out, okay, but it is covered. Oh, yeah. Like a little lid and you pull out a couple berries, you know, almost like the basket of berries in the fridge, that whole look. I'm aware. Yeah. But like almost that kind of like salad bar straight out of the fridge but covered. Yeah. And, you know, other treats and delights. I can imagine it. There I went to – so I was spending a lot of time at the new LACMA and we'll go together and that will be a whole thing.

43:51Kate Berlant:Spending a lot of time at the new LACMA. And there's an Erwan Cafe there, which is hysterical. Well done, LACMA. You know what I mean? They're smart. They're smart for that. Clever, clever boy. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But I go in there and they have a couple of smoothies and whatever. And they have matcha. And I see as they've got this. I know we all remember. Okay. But I go, Jesus Christ. I think they've got matcha.

44:11Jacqueline Novak:Well. They think they've got matcha.

44:13Kate Berlant:He was good. Okay. He looks stunning. How? Really? Stunning as usual. All right. There's my girl. So, and they had this like special thing, whatever. The point is, and I went for a little substitution and they honored it because it was really, it wasn't a substitution. It was simply remove the thing. Because they have this elaborate sort of matcha with a strawberry compote with another stuff, but there's other stuff going in it. I wanted the strawberry, Kate. I'm trying to get it. Remember we talked about this? I'm trying to get more into the matcha. I said, can I have the matcha with the almond milk?

44:42Kate Berlant:No cream top or whatever? Yeah, yeah. And just the compote. Oh, yeah. They're into that. I'm sure. It was funny. You know, it's funny. It's like, I've had it and I enjoy it. and it's like, you know, first slurp is like pure strawberry. I'm going to take you to go get a fun,

44:53Jacqueline Novak:we could go get fucked up matcha together. That'd be fun.

44:56Kate Berlant:Yeah, definitely. Okay, so.

44:58Jacqueline Novak:Beverly Hills juice. Oh yeah. Sorry, sorry. I was just going to briefly break in to say we're uplifting Beverly Hills juice, which is probably 10 minutes away from here. It's just a window. You can't get in. Erewhon, go eat your fucking heart out. These smoothies are unbelievable. Fraction of the cost, fresh juice. The real deal. They've been there forever. I just, we need to be going to Beverly Hills juice.

45:15Kate Berlant:I would love that. And I'd love to really work on it

45:18Jacqueline Novak:and get something on the menu that's ours. Airwound smoothies for me, it's a no. It's just... Tumor Crush ones. They're ice cream bombs. It's like, what is... Beverly Hills juice, so simple, but so good. You will be moaning. They do like coconut-based, frozen carrot juice-based. I know, you've been really hot on the carrots recently. I know. You've been really hot on the carrots. And a green juice that's actually good. Actually tasty or actually real greens, not banana-based. If I want green juice, I don't want pear, apple. I want the greens. And these greens, it's like good amount of lemon, nice amount of ginger, like really drinkable, fresh, good.

45:53Jacqueline Novak:Okay.

45:53Kate Berlant:Well, you know what I used to get? What? I'm sure I've told the hags before. Okay. But in New York, corner store kind of that had a little like juice bar, whatever. We'd go there every day and I would basically get the greens. I would get the green thing, but I wanted a little something sweet to just kind of offset. Give her a little something. So I asked them, so they would put some strawberry in. Okay. Strawberries. I know. Theme. Okay. But. You're a strawberry girl. Jesus. I sure am. Right. Is your hair strawberry? Are you strawberry blonde? Are you strawberry blonde? I just imagine disgusting character, strawberry short cock.

46:24Kate Berlant:Take a minute with it. Okay, strawberry short cock. Yeah. Okay, he's really proud of how short his cock is. Strawberry short cock. And dress like a bonnet. Okay. All right, all right. But anyway, anyway, so. Wait, what were you asking?

46:43Jacqueline Novak:Do you have strawberry blonde hair?

46:45Kate Berlant:Oh, I knew there was something. I don't know what color hair.

46:48Jacqueline Novak:You and another friend recently described her as blonde She goes, I'm not blonde Do you have red hair?

46:53Kate Berlant:No, you have brown hair I have auburnish hair usually Strawberry blonde? No one really knows what those terms mean You know It's unclear I tend to have a lot of red highlight There was a phrase recently someone said

47:06Jacqueline Novak:I go, I don't know what that means Ash blonde? No, no, it was like Fuck, what is it? Like case in point, something like that and i was like it'll come to me that's also another lowest form of observation of you know it's like

47:24Kate Berlant:wait wait wait it came to me lowest form of like conversation is like like um trying to remember

47:31Jacqueline Novak:something no no no like the phrase of like like like you know like use cliched phrases no be like

47:39Kate Berlant:what does that even mean oh like how dare you no no no i think i think okay language okay pulling

47:45Jacqueline Novak:part of language is meaningful always. That's good.

47:47Kate Berlant:All right. Wait, okay. I'm trying to see here. Wait, wait, I'm still telling you something. I can feel it. Oh yeah. But then, then I thought it was very, and I, I drink it and I go, it's not really, they aren't moving together. The, the, wait, two things. One. So the corner bodega. So I, I get this, this thing every day and I always get the green one. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And I ask, and I go plus strawberry. Okay. It's delicious. There'd be a little flecks of red amidst the green. Beautiful. Fascinating. I named it because they were creating a new. For yourself? Menu. You named it? It's on the board?

48:19Kate Berlant:Yes. What's it called? The Rose Garden. God, you're good. That's amazing. I know. Wait, where? In New York? In New York City on 71st and Columbus. I mean, I don't know if it's still there. The Rose Garden? I hope so. Six years ago.

48:30Jacqueline Novak:Jacqueline's Rose Garden. I remember there was a bodega and my favorite sandwich they had was called My Girlfriend's a Whore.

48:36Kate Berlant:That's tough.

48:37Jacqueline Novak:That's williamsburg for you i mean that was 2015 no yeah 2014 what was it fucking called i used to live off the laura morale the fuck was it called but they it was the rap that i liked and they made me go in there and say that i'll have the um the mgaw can you believe that yeah i'm unimpressed it's not right.

49:04Kate Berlant:And then, and then, so I do that at the LACMA, right? And then, and then I'm at Erewhon Prapper yesterday and I hear a couple of girls behind me going, well, yeah, you get the matcha and then the strawberry, but the strawberry, you suck it right out at the bottom of the cup and then it's just harsh matcha and I was like, exactly. It's kind of weird. I mean, the things you over here, because it was exactly the issue I've been having. Yeah. You got to stir it up. But even if you stir it up, it's gone. Are you sitting down? Are you sitting down? I've never had strawberry matcha.

49:31Jacqueline Novak:I've had the one at La Cologne, which I think they took off the menu. Right. Pork hay. But the straw, I want to go get. There's some matcha places in LA. I want to get with you. Go full fucked up. And you can get. They have a vegan cream top too.

49:45Kate Berlant:Yeah.

49:46Jacqueline Novak:Stagger I want to go to. Anyway.

49:50Kate Berlant:Do you find that the boost? The caffeine boost? Yeah. It really varies. Or you don't know.

49:57Jacqueline Novak:the whole thing with the macho they go it's a clean buzz i mean i um can't speak to it can't speak to it but often a matcha won't hit me like a although i'll say i had a couple some matches they do give you that buzz and i've even had my i've even tweaked out if you have my look that's when having like two matches and a coffee i'm like not thrilled i'm having this

50:19Kate Berlant:because yesterday i was anxious and i'm trying to go looking looking the shelves this is where Whole Foods did not deliver, looking in the shelves going, they must have some kind of tonic, like an L-theanine, you know, relaxation tonic. They didn't have anything like that. I was sort of surprised. That is surprising. Because they're everywhere now, that kind of shit. There's so many...

50:40Jacqueline Novak:I still, and I want Array to send... I need Array to send a full breadth of product. I want to box to each of us with every product because I've said this before, the Array Calm supplement. A couple of times now, I'm feeling freaked out. I fucking take two of the Array Calm, I'm out the door. you know what i think we should get into i want yeah i have a new pook song or bonnie rate how much bonnie rate do you listen to well i listen to let's give them something to talk about non-stop wait so people will think this is funny that um so on last week's episode i talked about how i i went voluntarily to a pediatrician's mixer again i don't have children but i've been following a pediatrician no but this song i've been loving and then i just listen to the first couple lines full bonus episode wait but i'm sorry but this is going worth it this is gorgeous her voice is like

51:44Jacqueline Novak:which time does it come out but wait for it A friend of mine, she cries at night and she calls me on the phone. She's babies everywhere she goes and she wants one of her own. She's waiting long enough, she says, and still can't decide. Her voice is unbelievable. We're not going to play the whole thing, but just... Don't you have to choose An intense She's scared Scared to run out of time I've been looking at photos of Bonnie Wright Bonnie Wright going

52:30Kate Berlant:Get me in there I'm really sweating from the song But Kate, I'm sorry to whatever But you're familiar with The music hour And I'll tell you about it later

52:47Jacqueline Novak:We're going to do a poop playlist

52:55Kate Berlant:Wait can I just please

52:58Jacqueline Novak:Yeah

53:03Kate Berlant:Money rate the greatest song of all time

53:04Jacqueline Novak:What's this one

53:05Kate Berlant:I don't know her well Get ready

53:08Jacqueline Novak:She's really made for me

53:09Kate Berlant:Get ready

53:11Jacqueline Novak:What's this called?

53:12Kate Berlant:Give them something to talk about. Oh, shit. This is give them something to talk about. I'm sure. Wait, wait. Take it in as Bonnie Raitt. Let's give them. People are talking. Talking about people.

53:24Kate Berlant:You won't believe it. They think we're lovers. She live. I'm not combined. They keep saying we're live just a little too long. She's alive.

53:39Jacqueline Novak:Thank God.

53:41Kate Berlant:Get ready. Think about what this is about. What is it about? Everyone's talking about it. Let's give them something to talk about. They already think we're lovers. Get ready.

53:54Kate Berlant:It's unbelievable.

53:59Jacqueline Novak:You? So is the Dolly Parton version of this more famous?

54:03Kate Berlant:I don't think so. Or is it her? This is her. It's this.

54:08Jacqueline Novak:Did I tell you about when I was in New York? When I was in New York and I had the most perfect alcohol buzz I've had in years and there was no hangover and I was fucking, it was so amazing. And then I was up for two hours because I couldn't figure out what a certain song was. No. Yeah. That you'd had during the buzz? I went, no, no. So it was that energy of like being slightly buzzed in bed. Wait, stop that for a second. I was trying to hit down. Whatever. I found what the song was. but we'll do a poog playlist. You know there are some songs. Available to subscribers only.

54:44Kate Berlant:Yeah. You know there are some songs that are like, well and we should do it. We should do it like radio where, I mean we should do a full long thing. We should do a radio hour. That would be really fun. God. And we go, we're going to do that as a thank you. We talk them in

54:56Jacqueline Novak:and we talk them out. We're going to do that as a thank you to the paid subscribers. You're going to get some serious fucking hits all over the map. All over the map stylistically.

55:06Kate Berlant:Again, it just goes back to me going, is it radio? Because like you and me all day like hey guys yeah so it is that reminds me a little something here we go folks and it is the whole thing of the person overlapping like the dj the radio dj overlapping the song is like so special you know how they overlap of course well i'd coming in i do and the next we've got oh yeah can you imagine and then and then you you gently you know you fall silent yeah and you

55:32Jacqueline Novak:face it's so interesting such an interesting medium um god my neck hurts from going like god this is that thing i told you that i naturally go like this it's crazy it's really crazy it's

55:45Kate Berlant:like i'm a fucking dog well you should you should make sure you know that you know you should just naturally send back any any is that make sure it's not any send back any vent you just want to make sure it's not any cords oh fuck me spiritual ones oh i know what you're talking about okay if we don't get serious particularly as people in the public eye no okay okay people who send out work this is my new thing i mean i say it every whatever and then i forget we need oh to close up the energy field okay so for sending out our voices through medium um so they don't attach tethers yeah or just or just when i when i if i send out a podcast and someone doesn't like it i don't feel it in my fucking stomach yeah yeah totally totally right it's like it needs to imagine liking this what liking what podcast pook oh yeah i don't know but thinking about that a lot i found love just in the nick of time Let's give some Santa Hanna Hammer

56:52Jacqueline Novak:Okay, well. For those of you who are paid subscribers to the podcast, we thank you so much. And that means that you will get to now. Let's end a product corner where we talk about some specific items that we've been enjoying lately.

57:04Kate Berlant:The podcast is cruelly and necessarily over for the free feeders and yet it continues for premium. And see you soon. Love you. Bye. Okay. Love you. Love you.

57:18Jacqueline Novak:That was POOG. If you enjoyed POOG, please subscribe, rate, and review. If not, we will press charges.