Episode 056: "A Moving Banana"

11 Nov 2025 · 1 h 1 min

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Podcast Summary: Berlant & Novak Episode 056 - "A Moving Banana"

Overview In this episode of Berlant & Novak, hosts Jacqueline Novak and Kate Berlant dive into a myriad of topics, showcasing their unique brand of humor and insight. The episode is characterized by candid conversations about personal experiences, health discussions, celebrity encounters, and light-hearted banter, all wrapped in a comedic framework.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Health and Symptoms
  2. Symptom Radar: Kate expresses concerns about potential health issues, describing her experience with a sore throat and fatigue. Jacqueline humorously refers to this as activating her "symptom radar."
  3. Advil Promise: There’s a humorous discussion about the effectiveness of Advil as Jacqueline deals with a headache, dubbed "Headache Poog."
  1. Celebrity Etiquette
  2. Approaching Celebrities: The hosts discuss the etiquette of approaching seated celebrities. Kate emphasizes the importance of maintaining motion and a casual demeanor when complimenting or speaking to them, using the metaphor of “banana out” to signify the approach.
  1. Personal Anecdotes
  2. Patio Lifestyle: Jacqueline humorously describes her efforts to manage her patio cushions and decor, establishing herself as a "patio girl."
  3. Bed Frame Dilemma: A lengthy discussion revolves around the decision to upgrade to a king-size bed, including debates over bed frames and the nuances of different bed styles (California King vs. standard) ensue. Their shared experiences reflect their personal growth and lifestyle choices.
  1. Product Recommendations
  2. Lifestyle Products: The hosts discuss various products like the Apollo Neuro, a wearable device for health monitoring, and Ritual’s Magnesium Plus for stress relief.
  3. Fashion and Aesthetic Choices: They also touch on fashion choices, sustainable workout wear, and comfort vs. aesthetics in home design.
  1. Social Commentary
  2. Cultural Observations: The conversation occasionally flirts with cultural commentary, such as the absurdity of societal expectations regarding health and beauty, and the absurdity of certain design choices in furniture.

Notable Quotes

  • "The etiquette of approaching a seated celebrity with your compliment is to accept the role of trash."
  • "It's almost like a sore in my mouth, but also a classic injury from talking too much at dinner."
  • "If you're walking towards a celebrity and they're seated, it's upon you to communicate that you're not going to stand there where they're trapped."

Conclusion Episode 056 of Berlant & Novak is a delightful blend of humor, insight, and relatable anecdotes that showcase the chemistry between Jacqueline Novak and Kate Berlant. The episode invites listeners into their world, where light-heartedness meets genuine reflection, creating an engaging listening experience.

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0:48Good morning, Poog. Morning, Poog. Starts to glimmer. Okay, okay. I'm getting buttons together this morning. I was up at dawn looking up how to have fun buttons where I hit it. And it says morning, Poog. Actually up at dawn? No. 45 minutes ago. Okay, got it. Just making sure. Buttons? Like pins? No. No, remember I was talking about her poog wanting to hit a button? Morning poog. Oh, yeah. Or like poog air. Yeah, yeah, totally. Morning radio. Yeah. I woke so excited. Okay. No, that's not true. That's not true. I woke whatever. And then. Ow. Fuck my cunt. Okay, wait. Oh my God. It truly has become nonstop for you.

1:39Chris, will you bring me a big book? I'm really sorry. I need to lift up my screen. I'm in a bad mood. By the way, you know what's really going around? Sickness. People are dropping like flies and I'm like, fuck. And like, you hear my voice. I didn't sleep so well last night. And you can hear my voice. You hear something, right? What, dryness kind of? I'm not experiencing symptoms. but slightest symptom radar we need a symptom radar button i'm experiencing the slightest you hear it pinging like it's coming your way like tracking the symptoms i feel the slightest by the way i mean it's disgusting but almost like a sore in my in my roof of my mouth almost like a food allergy sore like something wow wow but also i my throat kind of hurt from talking last night talking talking talking i don't know right a classic um a classic the injuries of a woman at dinner can't be denied okay okay the uh okay my vent there goes my vintage pencil sharpener i know you're all going give me a link put it in the hack shop well i could but it would be a link to you know a single ebay oh that's funny the aura ring single ebay item in the hag shop one hag has a chance they better run like because i found the vintage item okay go on sorry what were you about to say no just that i was awake in the night again because of the animal and the fucking cock sucking wall oh right but the point is i thought oh i thought i'm tossing and turning and I go, what is this, six hours of sleep?

3:24And? That might be enough. Or a ring says eight hours, 17 minutes. Wait. Oh. I got more sleep than I thought. So you had a narrative. I was like, I'm awake for hours. I was like, I've been awake for hours. I was awake. This is what's so interesting about, I mean, by the way, is it interesting? Yeah. Time will tell. But I was awake. I thought I was awake for like two and a half hours. I was awake for 50 minutes. See, this is what I'm talking about, okay? it's like interesting this is where and i have this is where the sorry i fell you can see it by the way this is pretty exciting because i got this in um the laundry room this this weighted thing there it was in the laundry room oh this weighted boom arm i was like that's exactly what i need as i was dropping things there because people people in the in the complex leave things in the laundry room for each other?

4:17Yeah. Because by the way, yesterday, sense of time, right? I go, I go, let me just throw these in this thing. We're going to the laundry room. I go, let me just throw these in this thing, right? And I go, I go, and by the way, it's my covers for my outdoor patio, which is their new cheap, but soft, fuzzy covers for my outdoor patio. Your new name is going to be called, you're a patio girl now. Oh, I'm patio lifestyle. It's an extra room. You know, it's like a whole new room. Okay. Okay, by the way, everything got rained on. Remember I tore the trim off? Oh, yeah. Okay, point is, point is, point is.

4:50Sorry. I hope you don't lose what you're talking about. Okay. But I just got to say, I was like, patio girl. Oh, I go one second. I go, this will take one second. Chris goes one second. And I go, I'm going to show him because a lot of times I can do it. It'll usually be a slow second where I'll go, okay, one Mississippi. Yeah. And I'll do it. Now, this time I went to try to stuff these bags into this hamper really quick. These patio covers that were fuzzy. They're cheap, but throw them in the wash. They're the kind that wrap around the elastic. You might want to try it. We have the same burrow patio furniture.

5:20Okay, I'm interested. And you could save the real, the nice look for when, you know, your guests come over and are going to be admiring. Send that item. I almost just took my tits out. I'm excited. Because by the way, it's cheap. It's Cheeps. Cheepsie. It's Cheepsie. It's Cheepsie. Okay. It's cheap. Okay, it's crass. Okay, you're going to be a fan. And yeah, it's from Amazon. Yeah, totally. I'm sorry guys I'm sorry by the way I just took my zinc that I swear by vitamin code raw zinc I just took three pills really okay yeah because I'm not fucking around but wait wait make a note because we got a lot oh no what had Chris bring me Advil because this is headache poog by the way I'll tell you why I got one straight dude Instagram I immediately got a headache and I said bring me Advil you know I begged okay and because sometimes I have to have okay sometimes I need someone to do something for me that guy I can't do it my help because I'll get distracted along the way so anyway there's one Advil here what the hell is going on did I take the other one or did it fall I see it okay I see it it's loose and I see it and here they go 20 minutes from now let's see if it's gone let's see if Advil promise rides again okay cool I love that fast track it okay got it so 809 so don't forget we were because there's seven things so patio what the hell is that it's 9 15 what's the 809 or is it okay no 8 20 are we've technically been recording for eight minutes funny it feels like four to me point is i go one second i start stuffing these wet patio cushions in because my system failed me because i am for chicness without a trim.

7:04The edges got wet. But I go, this is exactly the point of these. Tear them off easy. Throw them in because it's just elastic. Okay. Taking your actual cushion cover off. Welcome to nine months without covers on your cushions. Okay. Because I did that once and the cat hair didn't leave anyway. So, so, because apparently you throw it, you know, it doesn't matter. Okay. Point. I'll send you the product. You're going to go, this is cheap, but I love it. Okay. This is cheap. I get the job done. And then you save it when the guests come over to admire your altar out of the corner of their eye right in the grove okay my altar is not happening yet i know but you i know i know but you pull you pull that you pull the cheap shit off okay you hide it behind an aluminum siding and it's fresh for them so and that's really i need a new coffee table i need a new outdoor coffee table do you think i could beg from burrow again can you imagine well sweetie i got bad news for you anything's possible definitely okay but i got news for your contact like the burrow moved along they told us they'd let us know where they land and we just want to shout you out again maybe someone new maybe there's a new someone new well there's a burrow not that far from me on the braya by the way we've we've gone but you know what you know what i'm actually now considering asking burrow for the kind of thing i never want or give a shit about and go who is even doing that you know a mother of nine right begging for the covers as in as in the like rain cover like the like cover up your patio furniture you know i'm talking about you mean that burrow sells them for like probably like 1200 they're expensive they're expensive and i'm always like well obviously i'm not getting that you know what i mean i won't have to dry naturally now i'm going i think i want it point is point is i go one mississippi two mississippi three mississippi okay and i go all right let's get you real i'm not gonna say throw out this one second thing and then fake it if it's not happening and i got to a good 13 seconds okay 12 to 13 seconds I had it in I'm running after Chris okay and I go I was only off by a factor of 13 okay now 13x because I thought one second it was interesting because I was surprised this is this is unbelievable but my mania yeah by the way all I've had half cap incredible so I want okay I'm speeding because I just I'm trying to get through this because I feel a compulsion to tell you right okay and so i'm just trying to get us back but i have to believe the listeners enjoying it okay there are times where i have to trust the listeners loving it even if you're in hell okay go go because i'm actually packing density go okay all right so so so self-consciousness reigns now all right you've shamed me you've shamed me into submission the audience knew the listener the eavesdropper heard the silence they go go you're gonna cry I'm not.

9:48I'm strong, folks. Years on the road. Okay. So anyway, can't remember. Get to the laundry room. What was I telling? Time. Why? Don't know. I've lost it all. It's gone. Point is. Factor of 13. That's all I heard. What? You're off by a factor of 13. Oh, right. In terms of thinking that it would take one second. So I don't know. I don't know why I was talking about that. Okay. But I did get to tell you about the patio covers. I do want to beg for more from borough i'm in a conversation with i'm going to shout them out in case that in case you know i work something out with them and the shout out becomes relevant yeah you know um vintage concept on um what is it on no i don't it's santa monica industry i don't know yeah it's a gorgeous gorgeous mid-century modern they restore they sell it's lovely okay i you know and i'm in a direct dm no text we moved off to text because i'm trying to get rid of my my gorgeous chrome and velvet heavyweight lounge chair you know point is go on facebook marketplace post it immediately delete go i can't i can't this is like 1997 this is like myspace 97 like this account there's like like like comedian bastards on there from like like totally it's myspace type facebook where you just accept friend requests in the 80s because that was the equivalent of a follower it's disgusting can't do it point is i got so much to talk about today we'll get to it later oh i'm sorry okay well first of all first of all symptom radar is fully accessed and i've already decided or sitting here i go maybe tomorrow i think i might go to pause and we ho and get a drip you'll soar right by my house you could pick me up i love it i would love but i got news for you i got news for you you know where else there's a pause mere studio city bitch down ventura i know but the question is would you ever do well no you would do a drip post workout because that's like It's not like you're, right?

11:44Yeah. You sweat it out and then you go and you fill it up. Yeah. NAD plus. No, too scared. I know, I know. What would you be getting? See, you go to the altar. Wait, wait, I talked about this, right? I talked about this, that I was signing up to get NAD nose spray. I had to talk about this on my health podcast. I go, I need NAD. Were they skewer the latest crazy fat in Wales? No, we don't. We're dead serious. It's a comedy podcast. She is on one today. Half-calf, folks. I repeat, half-calf. No, no. Okay. Hang on. First of all, well, there's nothing. No, health radar. I think we were deep in your health radar.

12:28Symptom radar. Raw zinc. I'm taking it. Considering drip tomorrow, I am supposed to work out today. What are your thoughts? With me? I fucking wish. Oh, honestly. I know. You're going to some fool other than me? Yeah, I know. I have a couple sessions left in a package. Oh. Elsewhere. And you could be dancing. Oh, but I sent you this. It reminds me, because, you know, I have this idea for this non-toxic workout wear that I was designing three years ago. Okay. Do you recall with these natural fibers laced up? Point is, and then I sent you something. I got, as you'd say, horny. Okay. For, I sent you a website.

13:09I was like ecodelights or something.com. This is years ago? What? No, years ago I was trying to design work wear, I mean workout wear, and I still am, okay? Okay. Mere yesterday or so. Where are you, Kate Berlant? Oh, I'm here, honey. You literally going, you literally did Berlant again on a freaking clip. Berlant? She's out of control. Wait, wait, wait. Eco, I said, let's beg for Eco. I sent you a thing. eco cult okay you should be horned up for this this is this is your life okay let's see if it pops up and i sent you directly to the shop these brands okay i go i go see this this is a site where you can just get really fucked up just just if you just want to go down a path why exactly is polyester so bad okay wait poog breaking news breaking news i've received a message and i don't think this i'll just say first name but i don't think brad will mind me sharing currently listening to the latest episode and need to tell you you're not consuming too much sodium i work for an australian electrolyte brand and have done lots of research no modern research he said lots of modern research you don't get enough high quality trace mineral pack sodium from food so much of it is regular diets comes from processed packaged foods not my diet sweetie they're using sodium for preserving.

14:33Again, not my diet, sweetheart. And your body will excrete any sodium you don't need. No, but that's the point. He's saying not your diet. Like this is other people who are consuming a bunch of sodium. Anyway, go on. He says, I run, whatever. He's shouting out sodium hydration. If you want to try ancient Australian lake salt, less maldextrin than element. I'm listening. All natural. Damn, single DM and he's getting a full plug. Yeah. I'll be bleeping that name and asking for$10. $10 to unbleep. And, but listen, today I'm 10 days, I have to say something. I'm 10 days, no electrolytes. Yeah. And Jacqueline, guess what I'm about to tell you.

15:16I have not felt or complained to. I'm feeling bloated in 10 days. Oh yeah. You told me this two days ago. Okay. I'm glad to hear it's holding. You know what I mean? No, I'm just, I'm just banging. I'm just laughing. Like, and then like 12 days, you're like, Jacqueline, you're like, I've been off electrolytes for 12 days sweetie get ready hold on to your ass because I'm about to blow it off less bloating a couple days later Jacqueline I wonder 15 days no electrolytes okay I have an announcement I submitted a request online to try one body sphere endo it's not endoscopic what's the word endospheric lymphatic massage I want to try it and I have what do you mean and I have a lead you booked an appointment I have a lead on a buckle massage woman.

16:07All right, Kate. So this is an ad, but it happens to be about something that I did start taking. So, you know, I track things now. One of the things I track on my wearable is magnesium. Did I take it? It even asks, did you take tart cherry? It's one of the things you can track, weirdly. Well, how convenient that something we're advertising and was sent to us as a powder. Ritual's Magnesium Plus. Okay. This is about unwinding in the evening. How? A blend of magnesium, bisglycinate, and tart cherry powder. Incredible. For mind and muscle relaxation. So it's tasty, Kate. Do you hear me? I love cherry.

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17:51Wait, wait, wait. But the endo, whatever? Sorry, sorry. I'm all over the place. Where's that? Hollywood. No, no. Beverly Hills, sweetheart. Is it the one with the body sock that I went to? No. This is called Body Spheres. Oh, wait. It's the one with the, like, I said. Oh, no. I DM'd them. You did? I, yes. Yes. Thank God. I told you I DM'd them. Let's see. Nothing? Like, did you already, you know, drop a CC in their system? No. Fuck no. Body Sphere? Magic Body Spheres. Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I DM'd. Let's see. They're on Rodeo Drive. Wait, Magic Body Spheres. There it is. Ooh. What's that?

18:33Followed by Claudia Schiffer. I want it. Okay. No, you're kidding. I'm not seeing a DM from me. We're desperate to come in. Desperate to come in. I'm like, actor Kate Berlant and my podcast co-host. Oh, my God. Dual Emmy nominated. Wait, tell the story. Tell the story. Tell the story. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, I'll leave Magic Body Spheres on dot, dot, dot right now. Yeah, yeah. So, my God. Jacqueline and I. We're walking down the street, okay? Protect privacy of actors at all costs. I won't even tell you what city we were in. Okay. Yeah, one of the big three. Okay. We're walking, soaring on caffeine, okay?

19:15And I go, oh, my God. Okay. And I don't know. I wish you could see, you know, this is why one must film the self at all times. And I can't exactly place him, but I'm like, I know that that's an actor. Outdoor cafe situation or, you know, a couple of tables outside a restaurant, let's just say, but just a few tables. So this is not a whole outside. There's two tables. Let's get real. Okay. Yeah. Coffee shop, two tables outside. Yeah. Me continuing to protect the identity. All right. Yeah. Through obscuring of my, wait, wait, wait, there's something wrapped around my, oh my God, there's something wrapped around my calf.

19:48There's something wrapped around my calf, cutting off circulation. What do you mean? I thought you'd be there for a medical emergency. I am here. Just completely spaced out. Okay. What's wrapped around your calf? An animal? My emergency didn't wake you. This was wrapped around my calf, and I didn't put it there. A headband? Like, I didn't, like, try to move lymph with that or something. You had to have unconsciously been trying to move lymph. Okay, no, no, no. In the night. I mean, maybe in the night. Maybe I sleptwalked my wake up with two rubber beards. I can't get the rubber bands around my ears to stick.

20:19I tried doubling it. It's not good. No, it's not working. Come on, honestly. How little time do I have? I'm applying a fake lash. That's when I'm supposed to do it?

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22:04Wait, go back to the story. Go back to the story. So we're walking. There's two tables outside of a cafe. One of those tables is occupied by a couple facing me and Kate as we're barreling down the sidewalk. Clomp, clomp, clomp goes a couple of girls, right? I go, my God. Okay. And I wonder if you had video. Did I say to Kate something like, oh God, oh God. Did I say, oh God, I'm going to have to say something. Sorry. Right. There's almost like I'm about to do something and like, like just I have to, I don't care. I don't know if I said it aloud or just to myself and God. but i go oh i'm saying something why to who no wiley folks okay noah fucking wiley okay now of course i was a fan from er all right where he was the young buck okay he comes he's learning his way around the place now what is he head of uh head of the er okay head of emergency medicine at the pit aka star of the pit greatest medical drama okay okay that which i have yet to watch but I'm hearing big things all the time.

23:06I believe I started my third viewing in the Ludlow Hotel. Wow. One night. And so I just go. But it's just like there's just a whole, his whole thing is just, he's phenomenal. There's so much. So I go, and I think, and I can't remember, he wrote some episodes. I'm pretty sure he wrote one. Whoa, amazing. Okay, I go, holy shit, right? Point is, this guy, his heart is in this thing. and he fucking rocks his performance oh what sorry sorry just two coyotes across the street no two coyotes oh they're going down the hill they're gone it's unbelievable they're so cute i know they're gone the clarity after the rain so i just go no no no no this is key everyone needs to understand this principle okay okay if this is the us walking you getting into the no no because this is good i'll do it on clip or something it's really important okay and i Like physically can be described later.

24:02Okay. So this is us. If you're walking towards a celebrity. Okay. And you're in motion and they're seated, AKA trapped. Right. Yeah. It's upon you to communicate that you're not going to stand there where they're trapped and can't get away. See what I'm saying? Yeah. So my belief is celebrities here. Okay. Okay. Let's just say, let's say, let's say celebrities here. We'll do a peace sign for celebrity. Okay. Okay. And then this is you, you, a pig, a pig commoner or whatever. Okay. Yeah. so it's it's boom boom boom boom boom you see them coming if you're gonna say some shit okay i believe you have to walk past you walk past you banana out you banana out you banana out and over the over the shoulder okay you need to over the shoulder you don't come at them with it you okay you and but kate and past and over so that they understand your emotion your head needs to be cranked so that they backwards so they understand she's not gonna stand there with her head cranked Yeah.

24:54Now you might, we've all done it. Gone. Totally. My neck is surprisingly strong in this situation to be able to keep talking to a while. But it's very important to the communication. So wildly tap dancing, you're walking backwards. You're doing whatever you need to do to show that you are still in motion and headed away. Yeah. But so it's a blow by. It's a drive by. Okay. And so it's walking, walking, banana out, turn and, and just, again, I just do like a, I just, I love, you know, I love your work. I mean, I, I'm on my third viewing. It's just unbelievable. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. And I'm like, you know, just bowing my head, you know, whatever, doing this kind of spray.

25:31Yeah, we're on the move. We're on the move. Kate Berlant, folks. Okay. Known bitch. Okay. Is here, she's saying that she thinks I did good. Okay. And so in a moment of absolute stunning friendship even even i would say you know collegial uh generosity everything okay as i what does she do and this is a star in her own right folks okay she she i can actually almost cry okay she she submitted to she she she humbled herself is it i'll just why don't you say what you did no no no it's better no it's better for me okay oh definitely so i'm going whatever i accept the vulnerability of this i accept that i'm trash you know what i mean and i'm happy to be trash in this moment you know but i think you know okay third viewing you know anyway yeah you're you're you're logging out kate berlant like a little like a crab in a tuxedo okay like a real like like chorus boy like you know featured player okay going goes she's having a okay no wait wait she's having nominated okay she's having nominated she's not some freak pointing to me and an even wider banana in a wider banana arcing arcing your arbor yeah yeah yeah yeah it was like an ever if there was like a third character rolling by okay they would have been an even wire okay and i felt lifted okay support i didn't even need that see this i was like the prince in Beauty and the Beast and a thousand other tales.

27:06Okay. In a strange way, it's a little different. I wasn't cruel, but, oh no, that's what it is. It wasn't cruel versus kind. Okay. Here it was. I humbled myself. I'm willing to look like, I'm willing to look like nothing. And sometimes that's when they reward you. And in this case, in this case, the gods of ego worked through Kate. Yeah. I mean, nominated. I mean, nominated folks. No, no, no, folks. Sorry. We're not on stage. Okay. I mean, she's some freak. And then it allowed me to blow off. And by the way, I saw his face change. No. Oh, wait. I think you're right. I couldn't even allow myself to believe it, so I didn't remember it.

27:49No, because I go, he was with a woman. We haven't done the research if that's his wife or whatever. But she's gorgeous. I hope she is his wife. I know. If not, he better look out. But I saw him. because you go, okay, here's, you know, he's in a huge, people are stopping him, right? He's getting recognized on the regular. Yeah. Yeah. You do a drive, you do a drive by, big arc, banana out. Yeah. Okay. Banana out, keep it moving. I'm moving banana. You're bananning out, you're keeping it moving. But I throw in, she's Emmy nominated and I see him, it's subtle, but it's like, and he kind of does a nod and it's, he goes, thank you.

28:25You know, it's like, because also actors, honey, I'm an actor, I know it. You never know who you're talking to. You know? You could be writing his next hit show. Oh, shit.

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30:14no no no okay okay this is unbelievable no okay this is good news because cozy earth i want more I know Kate came running because by the way something huge is happening in my home I'm getting I have a huge this is fire alarm this is high fire alarm I'm getting a king size bed I'm getting a king size bed I'm doing it I'm taking the plunge and I have a question which leads to our next beg the beg of the century is coming okay here we go and I wonder if we can even tell I think we need to obscure details and tell the anecdote I was thinking about it okay we'll talk about that after point is let's go from Kate's king bed I've been living in a queen forever whatever I go it's time you're on watch okay I could be writing something for you you're unreal absolutely the robe is not done we have a lot to say about this robe the robe reveals hysterical that was huge for our advertisers it's really funny so first of all I have emotionally I go okay it's time to do the king bed and Naomi and I were like okay you know what christmas present like not necessarily in lieu of a christmas present but let's let's get a nice big bed you know we'll do the bed thing and that'll be our present there had to be a narrative but yes okay so here's a question for you so i've been casually over the last couple months looking for king bed frames it's tough out there so the frame is what you've been fixated on well you know what mattress you're getting so so here's the thing that's happened which is unbelievable luck a friend a dear friend happened to post our close friend close friend stories i have a no no listen to this her and her husband moved bought this mattress they bought the wrong they needed a california king they didn't realize they bought a hysterical this is their like we have literally like they were like we slept on it one night like you know it's an unused new mattress Terrible news for you.

32:16It'll always be their bed. The first night is when they're when because the mattresses chemicals are so fresh and they're off gassing. It's kind of like when you lay rosemary on a steak and then you sweat it and the sweat comes out and then it pulls the rosemary back into it. The first night of a mattress is the most DNA is entered permanently in the mattress. I'm sorry. This is a huge joke. I know. hysterical. I know. I know. It was a joke. But also the good news is if I love them, by the way, I wouldn't take a bed. I have to say something. Free bed. Let's just say someone who I think is a dark person goes, hey, free bed.

32:52I go, I don't want to. Right? These people I go, I'll take, like wonderful people. Because also in the bed, you sleep, you opened a dream world. Okay, you're thinking if there's a darkness there. No, they're brilliant people. Who's living in the bed? Yeah, brilliant, loving people. I go, great. So So the point, brilliant loving people is amazing. By the way, not ordering a California King, but they have a California King. Now, I want to talk about California King for a second. Because I got breaking news, folks. Extra long, but not as wide. What is it? Same width, differently. I'll tell you right now.

33:24It's the same width. I thought it was the other way. And it's longer. I thought it was wider. It's longer. Because I have this image. Because don't you associate movies? Don't you associate movies? Or is it the other way? Maybe it's the other way. Where there is celebrity or riches, like sort of, you know, 80s, but like ridiculous beds, maybe shaped in strange ways. I've always assumed like the California King is just this sort of like Cali celebrity 80s, like wealth indulgence. Like what if we went bigger? It's very 80s. Right? Coke head. Yeah. And I wonder if people just thought it was sort of a non, you know, but is it wider or longer?

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34:05Listeners will have to ask themselves. I don't know. It's whatever you, I think it's whatever you least expect. Shit. See, but don't you have trouble with that when you remember that something's whatever you least expect, then it warms up the other side. Okay. So here's what's going on. Bed frames. Okay. So just listen to this. Listen to this. Bed frames. This is crazy. So we were looking up, oh, I mean, this is a fancy brand, right? We go design within reach. Oh, look at this bed frame. Oh, it'll be on sale. Well, classically out of reach. Classically out of reach. That's so funny. Oh, I mean, I thought I've said this on every episode.

34:41It's$5 ,000. The joke is it's only in reach because it's not in a museum, I guess. It's not in MoMA. Right, right. I mean, you're not trying to buy the chair directly from MoMA. It's really funny. It's Eams. It's not behind a private collection. No, I mean, when you hear what that is and you think, you're like, remember, that was essentially Target's principle of the early 2000s. It was like Target was designed within reach. Yeah. They were cheap but high design. Anyway, go on. So you look at it. It's like Ikea. It's like the heyday of Ikea. Anyway, so I go, okay, well, that's not happening. We're not doing a$5 ,000 slash$6 ,000 bet.

35:21I mean, this is absurd. So here's the big question. This is kind of how I operate. I'm going to protect the bed frame for my privacy, but we have the current bed frame. It's my partner's bed frame that they brought to our home. And it's a queen-size bed, and it's one of the big boys. I say big boys meaning it's not. Wait, protect your privacy? You're not going to say the brand? It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. I guess I might as well. Oh, I get it. Because you didn't make the purchase. You don't want to see this. reveal what the bed frame is should i look at me he's laughing looking like i'm absolutely insane should i reveal the bed frame tell naomi i questioned it they said what are the stakes of revealing okay that someone could go after them and go my privacy news breaking news on a lot of people have it okay listen it's a cb2 it's a cb2 bed frame that you know i don't mean in a gatekeep.

36:20It's a CB2 bed frame. And I just say, it's nice design. Okay. I think it's good. And it has something not being said here. And I'm trying to figure out what it is. There's pauses there's I'm not going to gatekeep. Is there something fishy? Yeah. What's not being said is I'm just not giving away the name of it. But I'll just do it. But why? This is so funny. Why don't I want to? I don't know why. It doesn't feel like your purchase to give away. It's revealing what Naomi chose once. No, no. It has nothing to do about Naomi, about that. It's more like the sacredness of my bed. That's hysterical. I mean, the sacredness of your CB2.

36:58The sacredness of my CB2. Okay, here it is. It's the Andes. Okay. Wood. Of course it is. Let's see. Top form king. It's like this. And it's got two built-in nightstands. Oh, yeah. It has built-in nightstands at either side, which the bedroom is small so that's really great for space although technically because you know get a king bed the right the right bedside table smash it up against the bed it doesn't look fucked up you know what i mean i know but but but a it's a separate purchase no just tell yourself what you need i just have a tiny room i need to tell myself that i need to tell myself that's what i need because no no it's good and it's also the floating shelf it's it's it's floor space too because it's floating shelf it's no it's true it's kind of it's kind of dare i use this word chic okay Okay.

37:45And then I was liberated because I saw a house and like, what was it? Like architectural digest or whatever. And they had a bed. Yeah. I go, well, that's what I'm saying. It's just, it's just good design. So I go, let's stop searching for a king size bed and nightstands. It's going to rack up thousands of dollars. By the way, it's not like this is a cheap bed frame. Oh my God. You're going, I'm going to get the same. You're going to go and get the same. Same one and a king. That's wild. See, that's, that's really why that's, well, that's hard for me because of the excitement of, you know, wanting the high of novelty like of a new thing and also like no trade-in it just feels like you're you're like trading in a car but you're not allowed to trade it in the question is this is a moment where you know a friend friend who's below your station okay okay for a few years you go time for you to upgrade from that cot to to my uh my queen acacia and then a few years from now when your bed is a floating space pod yeah hey sweetie it's time to pass that on to another friend because i got a king for you well listen i i wanted yeah i think this is about certainty i think this is about ending the decision paralysis you're letting yourself off the hook it is it is i just i want fine well here's the thing i did search andy's acacia cb2 d diy because you know someone's making that with live wood but but i hate i hate live wood but jack No, I know you do.

39:06I didn't mean live wood. I just threw an adjective in there. Okay. I mean, it's actually insane how much I hate live wood. No, I know you do. Okay. I can't go there right now. Okay.

39:21I wanted, listen to me. And this is a space question. Small bedroom. Cause we were initially going, let's get a tall bed, a high bed. This is low. I typically go low. Well, Well, that's low is very California. I think. Yeah, I was raised low. High is East Coast. Four poster. And so I hate posts, but I love, but I went, I go, whoa, what if we got like a sleigh bed? What if we had a foot at the bottom? I can't believe you hate posts. Hate posts. I mean, you can't even enjoy it in like some. I can enjoy it in a hotel at the Ludlow. That's what I mean. You don't, there's no romance of the post for you.

39:58There's romance in the post. By the way, if I had a big, I'm talking about a big luxurious bedroom, I would consider post. Wait, so you hold on to it as you're getting railed, screaming for mercy? Oh, the post? No, I don't think that's actually safe. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, wait. It's like the post bed, they have to say, and they think, please, this is not safe for sex. Please don't hold on to the post screaming for mercy. No, because you know what? The post inherently... You know what the post demands? Jacqueline just shared her screen. Jacqueline has actively shared her screen.

40:39Okay. I'm dying because everyone, listeners, you have to know. Oh, great. Great. Naomi's just really alive. I put huge in my teeth this whole recording. So every video is unusable. They won't see. They won't see. No. Jacqueline has been talking about sharing her screen with me for recordings for two years funny because it didn't feel like you'd ever heard okay you'd ever heard well I don't like another but can I have something huge to say about the pole there is such a comical but like a thing between my teeth that jack of spinach no it's a piece of blueberry well doesn't that make it all better wait I'm dying to say about the poster in the bed Okay, the four, well, wait, okay, look.

41:26The problem with the poster. Let me see if I can show you what I mean. Okay, come back. I'm dying. Wait. I'm coming back. Oh, you're using a mirror, you're using a mirror. Save my fucking dignity. All right, go back. You were saying. So I was dying laughing because, listener, eavesdroppers need to know, Jacqueline Novak has been talking about sharing her screen with me on recordings for years, and I'll admit it, I've never, I never, I haven't been biting because I'm like, okay but it's a podcast so they're listening so sure in a video listeners know what i'm about to say really is droppers know what i'm about to say when kate goes it's an audio medium what steve martin did visual bits on the greatest gap between but jacqueline has shared jacqueline has shared her screen this is by the way i feel so my heart is i people say may my heart swell this is the feeling my heart is swelling in my chest because I feel so safe.

42:23I feel so comforted that we're going to the purchase together. Okay. Cause what have I pulled up? Did you say it? I pulled up the acacia bed, the acacia bed, the king acacia. So you see what I'm saying about the side tables, how they're built in. I hear what you're saying, that there's a sadness for a big purchase like that. And it's just the same bed. Kerplunk, it lands, it's the same, but it's slightly bigger. Just an opportunity for a dopamine, you know, but also, also the agony of decisions. the agony decisions and i gotta say it the cost of these fucking beds okay here's what i have you do jacklyn wait we're going to tb2 beds i know exactly wait hey there's another one that we were considering sweetie i have i have news what i don't see california king no honey i don't want california king oh right okay okay hold on there top left top left wait i just saw i'm panicking I can't see because I'm blinded by knowing you're here.

43:18Okay. This is a weirdest sensation. I've never felt this on the internet. Okay. I'm like, I'm like, where? But you just had it. Wait, silence. Oh no. Oh my God. Now we're on couches. I'm a king. Okay. I am a king of this. View all. Quiet. Okay. Something's amiss. Something's seriously wrong here. Oh, there. There. Okay. The pant, like I've never not navigated a menu quicker. This is crazy. Okay. All right. Here we go. All right. Silence. Don't tell me which one you're considering. Okay. You want to guess? Yeah. I see it. I see it. Well, what? The Montero? I can't see the sign. Yes. Montero. Go.

43:58Click. Montero. There's only two acceptable beds for me on this website. Whoa. With that curve? That note? That's wrong. That's wrong. That's wrong. That's not it. Sorry. That's wrong. Jesus Christ. Oh, wait. That's Davidson, not Montero. What the fuck just happened? This is crazy. Weird things are happening. There. I'm the one who even spotted the Montero. Yeah, no, no. Okay, okay, okay. So go King Montero and walk me through. This is like the same bed, but not, and I get it. It's different. But no, but I have to buy side tables. For anyone who's not pulling it up, okay? Okay, I just want to, oh, look at this 3D viewing.

44:33Wait, I just want to say one thing about the pole real quick. It's not Montero. It's not Montero. Okay, one thing about the pole I was trying to say. The reason that I imagine there are people out there, okay, trying to make like who unsafely sexualize the pole right is because when you see or a poster when you see a pole like this okay there's something in us from culture when you can grab a pole like this you inherently okay you inherently okay you go to this place okay yeah yeah you go to you run all fours and you're writing roll no but but this is very specific body roll yeah this is like a thing and they have like eight-year-old girls now doing it in dance class but it's like it's like that slapping all right hold on let me get let me get to now do you like i shouldn't have tried to do a demonstration while the montero was on the screen okay okay but hold on do you like that you're not searching i am that i'm navigating the screen for you yeah oh look whoa look at this go under you're in space you're dreaming by the way months by the a Montero a huge a huge benefit of the Montero is there's a drawer drawer huge question okay is it really do we want to sleep on on on our own storage god you're you're so smart I love you okay listen because guess what I do have a sliding wood drawer under there well you go what are you keeping down there or who sheets okay yeah the only tolerable and even then there's something energetically it feels like that and i think you're right i think you're right i know that i don't want that bed i'm free well i have something else to say yeah so i saw like i was watching some design video like some 80 like and and this guy was like you know small spaces people go oh well you need space efficient furniture in a small space he goes actually oh no you don't great go for a big loud wait this is big for this room piece like you can't have three of those in a small room.

46:33No, this is a known thing. It looks bigger. But you can do a big, so then I go, well, yeah, then maybe, yeah, do I get a king? I'm not going to get a four poster, but do we get a king fucking sleigh bed? Like, whoa. And it's just, it's literally the bedroom. It's the room for the bed. Well, archivists, archivists and eavesdroppers know I introduced this philosophy, dare I say, two years ago on this podcast okay yeah we should almost find it really but you're staring off you can't you can't have this conversation with naomi while we're podcasting is what i'm saying i'm having it with you okay you're with you're more with naomi right now but you're having the conversation should we okay you're looking at naomi tell naomi okay you're right you're right okay okay okay it's you're doing both of us at once you introduced it you introduced it two years ago i don't recall what'd you say would you you know why you know why you don't recall because you weren't looking for a fucking bed at the time.

47:29That's true. Now I need it. You didn't give a shit. I know. Now you're alive. Now you're firing. Okay. I go, tiny bedroom, right? Yeah. I go, I'm getting a king because what do I need? A big aisle, a big sidewalk, a big wide Columbus Avenue sidewalk. Yeah, totally. To the side of each bed. I go, no, nothing's happening over there except for a walk and sit down on the bed. I stick two side tables in. Okay. Two bedside tables. They're not even crammed. I mean, there's enough room for them there. Walk in the room, get on the bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guess what? I'm in a master bedroom right now. It's huge.

48:09That's why it's a gym. Now I know it's filled with shit right now, okay? But you'll see there's the air bike. I mean, it's... I'm really... Listeners vote in. I want the listeners to vote in. Do I get the bed that... Reading in an armchair in the corner of your bedroom is strange. Such a joke. joke so it is strange that's gotta go it is strange if you have so listen what is that if you're one of these people that has a fucking gigantic room where you go and then we have a throw it there like i fantasize i hey i have fantasies yeah put it there for visual fantasies of a big bedroom and i have a little couch i have a love seat in there i have a coffee table in the bedroom like oh to me that's divine but who lives like this well also even if you do i don't think i'm not saying it never happened i guess that's where you go regular bedroom yeah damn really you think you think even that's enough for a sofa in a bedroom i guess it depends how you spend your money yeah i guess but but there's something it's almost like um it only works if like you roll out of bed you go in that chair to meditate so you've barely woken up you know sure you know but i still think maybe you sit on it to pull some pull your heels on but it's a little strange and a little hotel like when you clearly must have other rooms if you've got yeah i think i think you're right it is sterile it's when it's in the corner facing the bed it's the mass it's the masturbators it's the exactly it's the orgy it's that's the guest see yeah exactly inviting over the master the masturbator to the to your family party exactly you know exactly what i mean of course i do that's me in the chair that's my chair that's oh wait someone sent me the cutest thing you'll die okay and i probably whatever i forget what app it was but someone being like i'm looking for my jacqueline like i'm looking for my jacqueline novak to my caperland oh my god on a dating app isn't that sweet oh my god no i just realized we have to do major valentines this valentine's day in what sense galentines oh yeah oh yeah by the way is that not everything you and me are opposed to right i know i know no to be clear it's just wait same spirit different way in i actually want to break down with you sure do was i because i texted you but you didn't react on text it was yesterday probably did privately a woman who a woman said to me you're married like that yeah she goes you're married and i go i'm not married and she goes i'm not married and then she points another woman goes she's never been married either it's interesting wait it's hysterical yeah i didn't get all that other detail i know yeah i remember it's so funny i remember you telling that to me in person but you're right it was in text i really animate you yeah yeah you're married look at the violent look at the violent um i'm doing i'm doing classic you know face gym skin gym gua sha i've i've fallen so far off gua sha it's a joke the thing is gua sha to me it's like this no like the whole thing's a joke it feels good and here's the thing i'm back to the face it reminds me yeah i gotta tell you what stimulated my headache so i got served this thing last night yeah and i clicked through thinking there was going to be a course i would consider paying for and then probably not get served it again when i become a warmer lead maybe that time i go for it anyway i was going to send it through to you it's this guy former chiropractor which you know i love a defector right of course former chiropractor he's like i left chiropractory okay wait something's happening why is my whoop buzzing oh i must it had like a late i i've gotten my whoop it's not charged no no i got my whoop on this like schedule that like wakes me after my like sleep time blah blah blah oh wait i think i got by the way there'd be a lot to say about this and sweetie i have something exciting to show you very exciting to show you that the listener will have to i see you tapping your thumb is your your your hand is in the thing you're scrolling you're looking too i'm not scrolling but you're looking too at what your phone no i'm not i was tapping my whoop for you okay i have a lot to say about the the hag team whoop that exists i'm the only member right now yeah yeah and there's a code mentioned it no i'm saying they haven't shown up meanwhile they're like i've been out so i've been out 30 people i saw red carpet i saw i have to pull this up for you because here we go jenna jenna lyons you're familiar tell me wearing a whoop on the red carpet literally even a step beyond that sitting at uh victoria's secret fashion show front row no no i look i go i go huh look at this fucking look at this tell me that's not the apollo tell me that's not the apollo wait wait send it to me on oh send it to me on send it to me on on text so i can see it's not pixelated that also looks like sorry the apollo and we'll get to that in a second different than whoop because who was double fisting the other night who was double fisting right now you were at dinner with two devices dinner okay sending it to yeah i need you to react on air it could be a different device really it's a little hard to tell in that photo someone's identified it but here's what i'm gonna say people don't even know we're fucking talking about because we have not introduced this concept yet okay i mean i did maybe years ago i begged for it it came i accidentally opened two boxes they sent two to me this is the danger of if you if you send for me and Kate to one of the households, right?

53:48Yeah. So about several years ago, we begged, I begged for the Apollo Neuro. Why? Because who hasn't been served a lot of shit about Vegas, Vagal, right? We beg, what does it do? It vibrates. Here it is. Okay. So I pull out of a loose pocket. Kate and I are having a coffee moments before running into Noah Wiley. I pull it loose out of a pocket, a little piece of tech. Okay. I go, Kate, I'm really sorry. I don't have the box, but this is yours. Okay. And I go, it's all, I go, I go. And I pull out the, the, the actual device. Head. With a, yeah, the head and the device, which has a clip on it, which is, you know, the standard way to wear it in most situations where you want it up on, on, on the chest, on the whatever.

54:36Okay. on a bone on a collarbone whatever i'm really tired on the box but this is the apollo neuro i go it's charged download the app and then i start selling her on why she doesn't need the strap because i can't find it right yeah yeah yeah she's a little fixated on the strap because in its absence she can't help but wonder if it's what she really wants although i have to be honest now i go i'm probably not a girl i knew that i knew that about you okay you're you're more of a bra strap girl. But ankle strap maybe for sleeping. Yes. So here's my strap, okay? And by the way, I give this to Kate.

55:13What happens at dinner that night? And I have video, okay? Out comes her ankle. What is snapped to her? What is clipped to her sock, her dainty sock? The Apollo Neuro. She's gone live with it, okay? So the Apollo Neuro vagal stimulates you at repetitive kind of... Okay? You can look it up. We'll talk about it later. Sweetie, I got news for you. you found the strap yay clean unworn okay i'm ready to go i'll help you strap it up charger too well well there is no charger it's just i mean it's a micro it's a micro usb i'll give you a cord if you want one you probably have one lying around no i'm sure i have one i'm sure i have one so we've got a strap for you we both were wearing them i had it in my purse because i thought it was too crass for dinner okay and then i pulled mine out we were both getting buzzed and we had it on the social setting because there's different settings yeah and look at me right now i'm double fisting again and then at dinner jacqueline had her whoop and her neuro her apollo everyone is losing their mind oh no oh no no no okay so first of all before i found the strap all right this is this is next level shit that's just about to happen for for the podcast this is like johnny knoxville saying like hit me with her bullets all that matters is the footage right okay so i just want to say to you before i found the strap i went online going i'm gonna buy kate i'll buy her two straps to make up for this and they're like 19 bucks a piece right meaning they're cheap you bought them no but i'm going to have to would you like to know why i just dropped the strap in my coffee okay i just looked down you're kidding i just looked down would you like to know what i see do we have it on so you were like this and you just dropped it straight into the coffee

57:06okay oh no jacqueline

57:13well i'm glad they're cheap you could hear it you heard that right just yeah you just celebrated the strap and you dropped it straight into your mocha talk about guess what's in my mug your strap also cocoa oh my god that's hilarious what this means is you get to choose your color but by the way Apollo Neuro Kate and I there we go let's try joy I want a membership we go let's try a membership right yeah yeah okay okay and we go now it's locked can't do it it's locked joy is locked behind the membership wall did they did they give us a membership it's possible we had a month or something when we I think a month probably comes with a device let me see if I reached out oh by the way we're desperate to come in kaperlant and i we discussed on our pod podcast me to magic spheres yeah okay yeah and then i'm gonna go for this sort of partnership thing partnership question mark okay i'm gonna say poog podcast at we are bv.com yeah that's where you go for partnerships folks backyard adventures you can always remember we are bv like we are the face of BB.

58:21Okay. Oh no, I have a meeting in five minutes that I pushed from 15 minutes ago. I have to leave anyway, honey. I know you do, but I just want to, maybe next product corner, we'll talk about this. She's going to be uninterested until I tell her exactly what the fuck it is. You ready for this, folks? Watch Kate, really fucking get excited. This is my on the go carabiner held, okay, at Motube Pro. What does it do? tells you the air quality wherever you are oh i want that i know mommy wants that i know you do we're gonna become atmo girls by the way so so what so you can be just like hovered suspended well i was like staring at like paint curling in my corner going like you know is the how is the apartment complex killing me like is that like water damage and like and then like i raise this up there to the corner to see if like like bad air is coming from it anyway it's just like you know it was obviously tech like this thrills me just this next to this you know so there's a lot to discuss anyway and then and then newsflash this is gonna be big for me look what kind of topping what does it say it's from the immy people okay who do like this they did this like ramen they came out with this ramen that's like vegan and not full of like not a total sodium bomb whatever I bought that once.

59:41I bought that once. Yeah. And then this is just the toppings. And so I've just been for a quickie. Or they sent it. No, but I already reached out saying we want to be Emmy ambassadors. Okay. These toppings, I've been throwing it in a mug. Hot Keurig water right on top of it. Okay. Stir it up. Add a little bouillon. A little. Yeah. A little. Soup. Fabulous. Whatever. Anyways. Love you. Bye. Emergency style. Okay. I love you. Bye. Amazing ep.

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