Episode 068: "Defending Your Frogs"

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1:24Yeah. Why? You were excited to record? Whoa, whoa. What happened? Sorry, a mosquito has entered the frame. I actually am going to close the door. I'm so sorry because it's hot in my office. The AC, then you can hear the AC. So I had the door open to the elements. It is hot. It is kind of hot, right? But then the freaking mosquitoes come in and ruin my life. Hang on. Okay. But I just want to say, listen, and I'm hoping this will be the last time I mention this on this podcast. I still have my rash. It's better. Also, I want to make a note, which is, or just, you know, report. I'm going to see a derm.

1:58We'll see what she says. but on the verge of tears yesterday is this my new life you know yeah and i'm not putting anything on my skin for the first time since probably i've been doing skincare since i don't know the sixth grade seventh grade right so this is the first time since my childhood that i don't at least have moisturizer on like i've been wearing spf since i was a child every day well done i mean it's gonna serve you well i mean kind of every day more like anyway so i'll just say it's a life lesson because in my and by the way the rash is it extreme no and today it's better but i just had coffee with someone and i within 30 seconds my rash i know what you're thinking oh my god she fell off look at that rash like what are you talking about and it's yeah exactly and it's like or i was a shut-in yesterday because a i woke up i took benadryl so i was you know on drugs was actually kind of amazing.

2:56How have you been experiencing that? Right, because as I was trying to warn you, like, it ain't no joke. It changes a day. Benadryl. Oh, yeah. I watched Wolf on Wall Street and The Departed yesterday. So it was six hours. So you decided Leo to soothe the system? Yeah. Yeah, I needed Leo to come in. The excellence of Leo Dio to soothe the system? Also, and guess what I discovered? Jacqueline, there is a... So after I watched The Departed, I there is a short film that Martin Scorsese made and it's Scorsese not Scorsese I'm intentionally saying Scorsese there was a short film with a 15 minute short film 70 million dollar budget starring Leonardo DiCaprio Robert Gennaro and Brad Pitt that is basically promotional material for a casino in Macau so clearly like they all just got like 15 mil I haven't watched it yet my god but it's called the audition you've never heard no one's so it but it's oh my god so they're not promoting it because they're like this isn't real what do you mean it's a real casino it's 17 minutes you said it's like 15 minutes yeah and it's a promotional but it's literally a promotional it's a short film in quotes but it's promotional material for a casino and the budget was 70 mil so clearly this casino was like hey and how much did marty get i mean right at least 20 mil and where is it uh where is it showing i would say the budget for the short film without it's the actors or where the budget's going they got leo they got brad they got robert fucking denier oh right right so it's come to the point where i'm just gonna say i need clean beauty on the lips because if there's a strong scent to the lip product at this point it's like an instant headache i don't know what's happened yeah my nose has opened up and it's possibly it's um olfactory maybe so it would be um olvoyant or something you know what i'm talking about right clairvoyant yeah yeah yeah claircognizance what's the yeah thank you oh that's what i was trying that i knew something was wrong it's not the voyant right claircognizance clairvoyant clairaudient clair olfactory and i feel like i've asked this before no that is a real thing people that smell they're like i smell i smell burning rubber and they're like smelling burning rubber factory burned to the ground that may it's always smelling um clairvoyance is oh right i remember this word clairalliance or oh oh clair olfaction it's a psychic ability to intuit information oh my god you're still wearing your fake aura ring so funny i'm gonna take it off i'm wearing it for a week i need to send in the news about what size this is the sizing kit and you know I should just start doing errands on the podcast that would be I would really finally get through things because to ask me to on my own deal with going into the app or looking and going to a website and logging in and being like here's my my size like what oh I've had as we all know a car hit my parked car and I have been needing to upload a damage report of the images for does it happen?

6:06Oh yeah, that's tough. Because it needed my vehicle VIN number and I was like, well, that'll take a week to get together. Oh yeah, you know the VIN is like the ATM? Because it's vehicle identification number. So it's like vehicle identification number number or ATM machine. It's like automatic transaction machine machine. See what I'm saying? You following? I don't think you are. Yeah. It's okay. Yeah, I know. I get it. I get it. Or you're just not interested. It's not that exciting. But I do, when you catch two of them. The VIN number. Right. The ATM machine. Wait, I have to break in with the Poog Movie Club required viewing here.

6:45Do you know what that is? Let's see. Robert Zemeckis' film here from 2024, which is one shot. No way. It's all one shot starring Tom Hanks with the most insane de-aging CGI. It's like the craziest thing you'll ever watch. I turned it on. I heard about it. I meant to watch it because it's like the laughingstock of society. Oh, this is the one where he's like young and whatever. Yeah. Right. And I was like, okay, yeah. And then. So you were curious. I was like, I'm going to just turn it on like as a joke. Turn it on. Watch the whole thing. the next day started again because it's so unimaginable and if if any hags want to laugh and to marvel really at the impossibility of culture turn it on there and by the way mandatory viewing is just the first 10 minutes it's the kind of thing that you're like this couldn't possibly have been made on purpose it's fascinating check it out very interesting and then we were watching it and naomi was like when's this from because because like the cgi is so right crazy it looks it's like i don't know like it looks like 2002 or something it's 2024 like uh we didn't have a better like a good eye for cgi where it was almost like um back then you could confuse the people with lesser or something it's like someone's grand niece made it in an afternoon the cgi but please please we'll talk about it in bonus if we could figure out how do movie watches streamed simultaneous that would be a good time oh we can figure it out all right we can figure it out the tech is there so and also I want to cut in and say a clip that bonus subscribers will have access to is Jacqueline and I in front of the most magnificent sundance most significant sundance in front of the most amazing sundance it was we were actually in front in front of a beautiful beautiful slam dance, I believe.

8:49It was a shocking sunset. So beautiful. We were taking it in specifically with thoughts of Poog and the year to come and the growth. And then a man who we were doing huge, what's it called? Expansive when you physically make your body large to take it in. And he said, well, he said, take it in. We had our eyes closed, taking in the sunset and he went, take it in. Let me just make sure, like, because I was getting buzzed. I don't know if you can hear that. I was getting buzzed. Oh, God, you know what lives in my heart, and I always mean to clarify? You're like, have you ever been pulled over? This is on Poog at some point, right?

9:26And I'm like, yeah, I call it getting buzzed or something, or it's called getting buzzed in my household, okay? And what I mean is literally I refer to, like, wee, wee, like, oh, I got buzzed. Like, I got buzzed. Like, they got me, okay? Like, buzzer. I don't know. and I've always been like do the listeners think I was like have I been pulled over? Yeah it's called getting buzzed on a Saturday night like driving crazy cause you're drunk but what you have been pulled over? In life? Of course I mean I haven't I mean have you ever gone on long road trips? Yep and you're on the highway like and you never I don't think of myself as speeding I mean the times I've gotten no I've definitely gotten pulled over like you know a long time ago but like oh you go past and like you know you're on an empty highway and there's a spot that's there to get you and if you're going like five miles over yeah they got you they got you it's shocking that i haven't yeah and then the other times were like once was within you know weeks of getting my license there was a turn in my town that i essentially it's a confusing turn and it's like you have to go further past the little island to make the left and i was like panicked they essentially pulled into the unoccupied wrong way and they got me and then um oh damn then there's a couple like just like you know spots that are like oh you didn't come to a full stop at this at this stop sign before making the right oh yeah rolling through come on rolling through and like i'm still i'm still breaking taking looks everywhere and going it just didn't get down to a full zero and they were they're trying to make their quota i'm looking at um fucking pigs by the way can you know what's gonna be radical you're gonna come over and record here sometime i know and i was just like it's so funny like because it never happened i know like i realized like i have a million microphones from my tech well don't worry everyone we're gonna be doing some in person soon oh yeah and uh just like i just think it would be so cozy absolutely there's room in this chair for two this has been my chair since the beginning wow and then going to the grove this sort of dumbass chair that i love you don't mean us both talking into the same microphone of course not no i'm saying i have like nine microphones here we could just sit across from each other yeah or next to each other whatever we prefer but yes we sit across well here's a tease i'm i'm um i'm using something that um it's going to be on product corner something that i just got in the mail that's ten dollar item really got in the mail wait do i have it i can't see it no no i bought it you ordered it you ordered it how exciting i've um yeah very simple item but that i already feel is the great version of a simple thing i'm just taking a photo of this just so i can move on i i like i wanted to talk about i told you i want to do a deep dive on breakfast oh yeah and not just the day-to-day because yes we've spoken of it but i was thinking about breakfast as a child okay strange breakfasts that you've had like throughout your life okay strange oh by the way people's breakfasts and what you've thought about them.

12:33Just really, I just want to dig into something. Well, a breakfast that I had that I think about a lot is the breakfast I had in London at Koya, Japanese traditional breakfast. It was unbelievable with like, what kind of fish was it? It was like some white, was it cod? I don't think it was cod. Unbelievable with white rice, miso soup, radishes, an egg. It was fucking divine. And then I chased it down with some really nice, some warm non-caffeinated tea. Blew my mind. That sounds incredible. Well, savory. This morning, you know what I had for breakfast? Savory oatmeal? Kitchery. Oh, hell yeah. Kitchery.

13:18Kitchery, kitchery, kitchery. Oh, you know what I had last night? Like a little non-alcoholic cocktail sort of, or mocktail, you know, of, it was with this stuff. They sell it in Whole Foods, Pathfinder. never heard of it it's like herbal something or other and then does it give you lemon juice and um spritz there's literally it's just herbs but it um genic herbs i don't even know if it was dr genic i mean i think it was like it's just like like i don't think it was any because the adaptogens flavor it's just flavor let's see adaptogens can make you high maybe i don't know pathfinder um so jacqueline when you look at your cuticles right now are they dry My nails are like, it's hideous what's going on.

14:02The nail or the cuticle? Like peeling kind of? Yeah. Like I'm just, I'm taking a break from gel. I hate getting my nails. I'm not going in there. I say don't cut. They do anyway. There's literally no consent. Right. Just push back. Just push back. Yeah. They're like, but surely not. And then you leave. You're bleeding. You're crying. Yeah. It's a struggle. But guess when I back on for events, press on. I'm going to be doing press on and in, in product corner, I will reveal my favorite press on. Okay. Because I, I, I got some press on, um, for that party. And then I didn't put them on because it was last minute.

14:42And so it didn't happen. And I'm curious because. Well, press on is, is I have to say fabulous. Not for like this press on. Yeah. For, for, for an event. A makeup artist recommended to me and she had been wearing them for like almost two weeks. To be honest, kind of creeps me out. I'm like, ugh. Well, why? Like dirty. Like, I don't know. Just long nails. Oh. I guess it's the same as like, I don't know. I just. It's definitely the same as the gel. For sure, for sure. I guess maybe it's not if it's like, but isn't the gel basically plastic? Yeah, I mean, the gel is poison. But I think I just mean the, it's just more of an emotional thing.

15:20Something about the press I'm being on for a long time. But they were fabulous. but then you have to use, I'm going to be wearing them, I think for two days. And then, so I'm going to use glue because the simple sticky pads you can edit for a day, but like one, you know, it was on the verge of flying off the whole time. Yeah. But they make me, they make me instantly feel as we've discussed kind of horny and want to spend money. Well, I put them on and then I went to, I just spent, I went shopping. You shop. Right, right, right. Yeah. That's very interesting. Yeah. Well, it reminds me of Troop Beverly Hills, like her finger and the nail, like pointing at the one missing jewel on the gown.

16:01It's like Betty Draper smoking a cigarette. It's like hand on the steering wheel. Like it just, it's such an evocative image. Although I was trying to argue to Paul, you know, when I was, he was dressing me and I mean, he was remote, but it was like, did you get your nails done? You know, no, you know. And I was like, oh no, I think there's like a cat hair on this like thing. And he's like, like almost, he was very like, you've got worse problems. you didn't get your nails done you know what I mean like yeah yeah kind of like he was really kind of like hooked on the nail thing and I was very like it could just be my like I don't think it's what it used to be like yeah yeah totally the expectation that you have a long painted nail like I was like I don't think anyone will notice that I don't have nails even even while I'm in full yeah like someone someone who's into it might in this way like oh look like someone you know what I mean but not in a way like like as if I were wearing you know I don't know like something that would be noticeable very noticeable right like yeah yeah so and i was trying to like argue this point like it's not it's just not i i just think it's not what it used to be i think having no nail is just a neutral i think you're probably right you can be in full glam well if you have a really nice and that's what i'm trying to work toward is the bare hands really nice clean hand look where your nails are still manicured but they're not colored and they're not right long I mean, I very much enjoy a short manicure.

17:24The times that I've had, I had these glue-ons, I think when we did the Rachel Antonoff dog show. And I didn't take them off right away or something, but they were still on. And one of them was on. And it's a completely different existence. Completely. And I was struggling with using my phone. Yeah, yeah, totally.

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21:09what did i walk oh i walked by two frogs i mean i mean i walked by two stone frogs on a stone bench okay okay and there were those kind of frogs that you see the oh they're like a cartoon like kind of Yeah, like kind of like as if they're humanoid, you know, like they're sitting up on a bench with their legs crossed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was thinking about how, you know, some people, I looked at them because I briefly had this like, what if I lived in that house? Or if I bought that house, would I keep the frogs? It was the thought I had, right? It was more like, I like those frogs. And I was like, I keep those frogs.

21:44And then I imagined you coming over, okay? And me being like, yeah, like the frogs were here before. And like, I kept them, Kate. I kept them. I end up clutching my pearls at your frogs? Yeah, yeah, like defending the frogs and being like, you know, like a lot of these garden frogs, these stone garden frogs are like horrible, you know. But I thought these were good. And like, you know, I like to develop a more discerning eye. This is another thing I like have learned from Paul or shopping with Paul or like looking at like vintage like Palm Springs, like flea market. Like he'll like, there'll be a bunch of figurines, right?

22:18and he'll grab one and be like the things you learn from friends that friends model for you he would be like that's a good rooster that's a really good rooster and with this discerning high like one time we're at the Palm Springs walking with Paul and he comes across these little wood animals and he's like just the three in the midst of a table of other figurines and he's like He's like, where are these from? Are these like this? Are these 60s? He's like, what is that? It's signed on the bottom of something. And he's talking. He's like, I've never seen these before. To the person running the booth, right?

22:58That particular table. He's like, I've never seen these before. And I shop. Yeah, yeah. Okay? Yeah. And it was like, it was so cool. I love it. Was it acknowledged? Because it just looks like a wooden figurine. Well, me and Chris say it like near constantly in our house now. You know what I mean? Like, and I shop. Like, to know. And then the culture of whether it's like estate sales where the people running the estate sale are like, well, that's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or flea market, you know, all the fairs, right? There's this kind of like, you know, they didn't know what it was from. We all tried to figure it out.

23:35He took the four animals home. And he is like, so through a friend. This is a fun topic of conversation, actually. Like what you've modeled from a friend, right? I mean, this will be the next episode. He, seeing that, allowed me to go, those are good frogs, right? Yeah. That's a good frog. That's a good stone frog. And have the self-dignity and self-esteem to have an opinion. Well, they give you permission. What friends grant you access to do, of course. I know. Yes. You try it on and you're freed. No, no, no. It's defending the frogs. I mean, and shopping with a friend, by the way, is one of those ways.

24:14What is? Oh, shopping. Yeah. Yeah. Shopping with a friend like and do you feel like, OK, huge question. Shopping like and I even mean, you know, like you have no money and you're 11, but you're still kind of like in a store with a friend or whatever. I feel like young teen, like a couple of girls together going into a store and looking at things or a vintage store, like, you know, like a secondhand, whatever. I feel like that was a major life change experience, okay? Oh, yeah. Of being in a store with a co, not with a parent. Subjectivity formation. And then the competition and the, I like this.

24:51Oh, you like that? Yeah, yeah. I want that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, ew. You know what I mean? Like, I would never wear this. Or, oh. And then the panic. Like, they've got the one. And do you remember that? Yes. Very intense. And did you ever get, like, I had to learn, like, did you ever get convinced by a friend into buying something and take it home and you're like, I don't like this. Oh, my God. Of course. Of course. Of course. I mean, still. Yeah. It's like a huge learning. Yeah. How to shop with a friend. It is. Because you have to maintain your own personhood. Yes. While being right up against someone else's.

25:24And you have to see the way in which you. I mean, nothing's more classic than, you know, for you. The whole free. Well, that's. I like that for you. I know. I like that for you. Classic. Yeah. I never would. But yeah. Wait. Something you were saying. The friend. Oh, well. just talking about oh modeling friend modeling yes but talking about yard decorations yes so now we're you know it's been we're past christmas now healthfully past christmas yes when you see people's christmas decorations still up it's like officially a sign of mental illness no i know and by the way right now i'll say my blow mold is still out there but it's face down and dragged aside like yeah like it's like you someone could see it but it's no longer on display and i'm not proud i and you're right i grew up in a house which in kind of a proud way or like kind of like aren't we kooky way my mom would have the tree up into january right like and it's possible even i should ask her when the latest it was up because i thought it went longer i feel like you've told me this and it went longer yeah i think it was like feb i think it was like valentine's day christmas tree or something like because her trees like we would do them and they'd be they'd be wild and they were gorgeous and it's like yeah you do that's like you're living by this object it's great brings you joy it's hard to get rid of it and also particularly my house wasn't a oh it's the day after thanksgiving up goes the tree right so it's like you know anyway but that whole decorating the tree like christmas eve thing i'm fascinated by it i know i know i'm and now i'm kind of like rebelling like i'm like no bring it down last day can be up is january 6th last fucking day And then there's a couple homes, me saying homes, a couple homes in our neighborhood.

27:00There's one house near us that keeps their Christmas decorations up 365. Lit? Year-round lit. That's very interesting. Year-round lit. And so it's like, well, they're insane. Like whoever dwells in there is, because also - Are they good? Then it's by making, it's always Christmas, then it's never Christmas, obviously. well you need to state the fucking obvious but no no but it needs to be said um because it's it's actually it's not just profound on the on the level of you know more can become zero right no this is helpful infinity is zero etc well it's allowing for the dips you can't always be special every day can't be special every day can't be good it just can't fucking happen and you eliminate the potential for magic or anything when you insist on that.

27:52And I have a habit of insisting on that, perhaps. No, no, no, no, no. It's so moving. Years can, no, no, years, years. I sure can, sweetie. We think of in days, oh, a couple hard days. How about a couple hard years? Yeah. How about five years ago, lost to the wind? Well, this is, I think about it all the time. I go - It's okay, it's okay. It's okay. We lose years all the time. Remember when we came up, I mean, I know I lose years all the time And it's don't lose a day mourning them in the wind. Time, you cannot. They're not lost. You're still there. You're still in the belly of the whale. You're still Jonah and the whale moving forward.

28:25Oh, my God. I saw this thing. It was so good. Wait. I got to look for it. You got to look if I can see it. The whale is the ship as we. I just want to show you something. So, like, I'm going to show you this thing. I saw this. What looked like a Zen Buddhist monk talking about on Instagram. Okay. I'll show you that in a second. Remind me. I'll hold this in my hand. this cat lure to remind me because I'm not oh but here are you ready so you'll love this okay so so just to consume what we were saying it's like the most moving thing okay in the Christmas spirit right and someone who's someone who's a steward of the Christmas spirit like oh it's the people put up the like okay it's like it's the sight of them taking it down oh wow they are I love it they are doing the painful work.

29:17I mean, the hag divines when something must die, right? Yeah, it's over now. Death is part of life. There can be no rebirth. If they could just, a film of just, you know, unhooking the lights or whatever it is and da-da-da and putting it away, they are sowing. They are sowing the magic. That's the triumph. Yeah, putting them up is not the triumph, actually. It's taking them down. It's true. And I have to say, I felt profound. I felt an eerie sense of selfhood, taking down my Christmas stuff. Packing it away, I go, do I have three kids? What is this? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think also that is an acceptance of finite time again.

29:56You know, like you are participating. You are welcoming death. I know. Well, it's acceptance. But the Zen Buddhist is like, and I'm just saying Zen Buddhist, you know, but you know he seemed like one um he's got this thing and he's like you like in life he's like if if this is life he's like this is life and i'm just hanging this thing okay we'll show the people later all right i just have a thing hanging he's hanging a cat toy to be like a pendulum okay he pushes the pendulum away he's like you push you cause that okay yeah yeah he's like oh yeah you push it away it comes back you resist persists yeah yeah okay yeah exactly so i'm going okay i'm I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:38What we resist persists. Sure. He's like, you pull something towards you, you are setting in motion it going away. Okay. Now, it doesn't mean if you want something, don't pull it towards you. It's just the nature of, you know, take something, it will go. And it will always come back. Push it away, it will come back. You know, take it, it will leave. Right. And so he's then saying, yeah, yeah. He's then saying, no, yeah. And you might, you know, do you want to live in the swing? I mean, I probably do. He didn't say that. I mean, it was just what I extrapolated later in bed thinking, okay. But he's talking also then, so then you just let it hang.

31:15And he's like, you can also go through creating like no ripples, okay. He's like, you can still have a goal, you know. He's like, you still pursue a goal without it being like pushing shit away and pulling shit towards you, pushing shit away. You could sort of let – it was almost like you can pursue your goal while disturbing as little as possible. and that I don't know I have nothing to say about it other than there was something to it and when uh when those guys bring it to you and it actually hits stillness it hits I still don't have a rug um the search continues one of my god see your face right you you are someone who agonizes over decisions and if they're the right decision right so the look i just got for you was a shock because it almost looked like a normal person who doesn't understand yeah like like you know like it's crazy no but but it's like one choosing a color is one of and this has been an issue since i was a child i remember going into like like gap kids okay i've been there for hours No, choosing a color is so hard.

32:28Because you stare and you go, you look at one, you go, it's beautiful in its way. And then you look at another and you go, it's beautiful in its way. And I'll just say, I'll say what I'm holding. I'm holding a nail file. I agonized over the choice of what color nail file. See, yes, and you go. And agonize might be too strong a word. But there was like, for example, a clear one. Yeah, but you hesitated, you paused. And I go, and I go clear. No, no, no. I paused for like more than the average person, I would say. Yeah. Because I go, okay, this one's the first one that popped up. $9.99. there's different colors there's like a sunset one then there's just clear and i go well that's more chic just like a clear right but i go but why not have a little color have a little fun i know i know no no it's if you could hear the interior of the of the consumer okay like because i always make it about my life and what i need yeah the new life and so i go you know what i can't be afraid anymore have a little fun or you know it's time to stop fucking around and and no the fear that the choice will then define the next few years or the hope that it will rather i have to stop that's there's nothing worse filing your nails on air horrifying i'm not hearing it i also wouldn't be shocked if you and me both had a fidget type of activity like that going it's so weird you say that like if we were knitting oh you have a spinner i literally have a what's this called?

33:53Fidget spinner? Everyone knows that sound. Yeah, I was like, do I need to get... Well, it would make sense. I mean, because whatever I am holding, I'm doing some version of... I need to start... Well, I'm thinking about... So, by the way, you know how every five episodes, I'm showing you how I put my neck all the way back, and it goes all the way back, and it's really hard to pull it back up? And you're like, again with this? Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've now become convinced that it's a hypermobile thing okay now i'm a i'm a part of hypermobile instagram oh like an ADD hypermobile and going like another thing always choking on your own saliva i've brought this up on the podcast that's an ADD thing no it's well it's a hypermobile thing which comorbid with hypermobile in a lot of cases i don't always that doesn't does that happen to you a lot i feel like I don't really hear that usually.

34:48Hear what? You choking on your own saliva. It happens to me all the time. Or with water, just like wrong tube more than often. Like walking and then like, no, it's a thing. Like a notable thing, like doesn't happen to Chris, happens to me all the time. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, are you all right? Yeah, I'm just, I just choked on my own saliva and I'm hacking. Like, and then it's like, it was this thing and there were like all these other things and there's like the trachea, like just my trachea just like move, like I can like feel it like move, like I can crunch it over. Yeah, yeah. and pretty sure that's not i mean the thumbs i don't think are a big deal i know some people think a full curled thumb is like something is that weird i can't see it wait i think well i mean what i'm showing is that like without yeah that is a little extra mobile but and then that and then nothing like acting like this was hard or something like to go one finger over the next finger over the next finger like and then over this one so so you see like a waterfall i mean that's yeah i mean child's play to me right and then and then they were like so so you know you can get views if you say you might be hypermobile if like it's making a lot of sense and then but yeah the way that my neck goes back i remember as a child in like these like gymnastics or dance classes when they would have us like just doing stretches in the beginning and they would do the neck rolls so i'd be doing all the way around and when i go to the back it felt like like like this feeling of it would flop back but then like then you couldn't get your neck your head back sort of but but pain like so it was almost like it would go all the way back but it would throw my neck out and like you know it was like so and then also you know limbo like being like extraordinary at limbo winning limbo oh at Every freaking party.

36:41Being like, excuse me, everyone. I haven't done limbo in ages. I know. And there's like a thing in you that like, if you're someone as a kid who's like, oh, I know I can limbo, right? There's a weird feeling like it because it feels almost like bother people who can't get as low or whatever. It's like, is that like an early sexually? It's like sexuality. It's acceptable. It's like. Yeah. I mean. There's something sexual about it. That's what I'm saying. Like it felt almost like, like, how low can you go? Like the, the, the competitor in me, right. Is almost a sexless competitor. Right. Which is like, oh, I'm going to like go as absolutely low as I can with, with like no shame, like, like, like it's competition.