More Connected Than Ever

9:35Kate Berlant:Well, I remember Beth Stelling.

9:37Jacqueline Novak:That's so hard.

9:38Kate Berlant:Genius comedian Beth Stelling, our friend, saying, and I feel like she says when we were at this, like, comedy festival together many years ago. But she was saying something, you know, something along the lines of, like, you're at your most attractive. Every day. In terms of youth. Like, yeah. Every day is the hottest you'll ever be. I mean, that, I mean. not really true no she doesn't say the hottest year but but when you're fixating on the youth i know i know exactly because as when you're in youth you don't fix it on you look back on this you know so so you should you know try to enjoy yourself every day but i'm sure she said it better you know but it always all to say kate i turn on my television you try to escape what do you see images the floating uh the floating beyond the grave pets from past i have them in very specific you know yeah yeah it's like boom okay and it's like oh great christmas time like me and chris with like you know what i mean it's like it's like really not okay it's really not okay and why would you ever want to see like like every life i mean every movie every celestial movie okay it's a major fucking event an angel has to come down okay to take you through your life in this way right right right it's a major it's a life-changing event every fucking time They break down.

10:52Kate Berlant:We'll do a viewing of Scrooge maybe this year finally. But, you know, it's like the angel and he's bringing them through and he brings them to his old life in Queens. And he's like, I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. And then Niagara Falls, he cries. Of course. And sorry, I'm just being dragged towards my fantasy of Christmas and a couple of things we're going to watch together. No, but you're right.

11:13Jacqueline Novak:It should be this supernatural event. Across my television. It shouldn't just be like, oh, yeah, oh, here's every relationship I've been through, everything, just constant, just there it is. Also, it does feel sometimes like – Sometimes I'm like, oh, this is someone's genitals.

11:28Kate Berlant:Is the system – yeah, is the system – it doesn't seem like they're really like checking for that sort of thing. Yeah. Like they're not like – like it's like a cat, Christmas, and then like a receipt. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's, there's just a fundamental alienation from, from the self, whether happy, sad or anything. I don't, I look at myself and I go, I look at some picture of me in New York 10 years ago in my apartment, like trying on an outfit, sending it to Paul, right? All these, me trying on different outfits, sending them to Paul. Yeah. And just, you know, I don't know what I feel for her.

12:02Kate Berlant:Okay. I don't. Yeah. I don't. Is it pity? Is it yearning? like it's a sick feeling. Speeding by. Okay, Kate. Kate, it's so, you know what? Maybe this is what we need to do except it's over. I know, I know. Except it's over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And then we come back around through.

12:20Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, totally.

12:21Kate Berlant:So it's gone and we're actually coming back through the second time. That's good. It's totally fine.

12:24Jacqueline Novak:It's totally fine. We're reabsorbed. Okay, wait. Wait, I'm looking at my little notes because we're going to... The Starbucks story remains. I know the Starbucks. Okay, okay. And I'm happy for it to be a ribbon. Go through Starbucks and then I think we almost need to do and this will, we'll do a whole separate episode about the hotels that we had the last couple weeks.

12:43Kate Berlant:Because it's a, it's a bottle up.

12:45Jacqueline Novak:Yeah.

12:45Kate Berlant:It's a bottle up, you know, where you just, oh, and that's the award winner. Okay. But by the way, look at me. Okay. I'm here. The last couple of minutes I was here. What's that going to do for a girl? I asked, I came upon my father staying at the one hotel. They love it. I'm so scared of the nerves in the neck. Okay. Oh, to keep them open? Because you've been reading probably about the, or reading, you've been, you've been seeing the post about the Glymph. Not draining from the head at night? Okay.

13:09Jacqueline Novak:Oh, is that the thing with the pillow where you need the other pillow to? Well, it's. Glimph? What's your glymph? It's like brain lymph. Oh, fuck. New discovery. Oh, God. The brain washes itself nightly. I know. Well, you know what eye boogers are?

13:23Kate Berlant:Washes itself.

13:24Jacqueline Novak:Matter from your brain? You know this, right?

13:26Kate Berlant:No.

13:26Jacqueline Novak:When you have little crystallizations.

13:29Kate Berlant:AKA every morning.

13:30Jacqueline Novak:I feel like this can't be real, but I feel like that's good. Okay. When you have shit in your eye, particularly the little hard things, that's coming out of your fucking brain that's your brain washing and pushing it out through your eyes sinus seems like it would be make more sense but i heard brain no brain's making a lot of sense i heard brain the little hard not even just sleep but like see i love that the hard

13:53Kate Berlant:crystals how we i'm obsessed with this because like i always was like was that only my family or something like yeah other people call it sleep i know yeah it's cute sleep in your eye yeah it's what an it's actually beautiful elegant yeah i know i'd be like calling uh this breath like oh

14:07Jacqueline Novak:you've got some oh yeah yeah yeah and be calling snot breath yeah yeah some sleep in your eye it's your brain literally like well there's also that thing because they also say or sometimes

14:18Kate Berlant:they're like that's not nasal drainage they're like that's um spinal fluid or whatever yeah

14:26Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. I have an announcement. Yeah. Something that's never happened to me happened today. I went, it's okay. Obviously wanting to guess. I'm not worried. Guess, something I've never done. And it's due to, okay. I went to an 8.30 a.m. workout class this morning.

14:42Kate Berlant:Studio City?

14:43Jacqueline Novak:No, no, sweetie. Okay.

14:45Kate Berlant:Five minutes from my house. Because I was thinking of going this morning.

14:48Jacqueline Novak:No, no, no, no. I'm out of there. Eight minutes from my house.

14:51Kate Berlant:Too far for you, I know.

14:52Jacqueline Novak:Anyway, actually, you know what? Here's what's so annoying. because here's I can never commit to anything right so I work out like four times can't stop talking about it yeah makes it seem like oh here I am working out no so it's like don't celebrate I shouldn't be celebrating the 8 30 a.m. by the way it's because I'm jetlined because I'm on New York time of course so I woke up at doll's eyes opening fluttering awake 6 30 I go oh and then I go you know it'd be so fucking crazy because I went to an 8 30 workout bus if I did the unthinkable I did the unthinkable by the way were others there like six still it was very small it's sort of like And I like this because it's not too hard.

15:24Jacqueline Novak:You know what I mean? It's not like – Yoga? Let me guess. It's like bar. Is it a fusion? It's fusion. It's bar fusion.

15:32Kate Berlant:It's hard for me to get excited by fusion because it often feels like do you believe in a modality or not? Well, it's like it's combining things. Exactly, Kate. But if the system is perfect and whole, right? I'm not saying that I necessarily believe that I'm simply saying that my desire

15:54Jacqueline Novak:my completion is perfect is the enemy of good and if I get too locked into you know what I mean just do something I mean you couldn't be more right

16:01Kate Berlant:I am simply identifying my struggle

16:04Jacqueline Novak:I'm just talking about but this is what happened to me this morning 8.30 it's never going to happen again or it could happen tomorrow I'm at the class I know and I go is this what it feels like? 8.30am? I go is this my life now? By the way And I kept saying By the way I said to 8.30am Can't believe I go It's because I'm on New York time It's like Shut the fuck up I went to a place And then I went to Because like a lot of people Get up at like It's not a big deal Seven They go there when it's 6am I know And then there's like a juice place I get a juice The guy I go It was like No It was 9.30 I go I go I go 9.30 it's still early He's like Me wanting a fucking award Incredible

16:43Kate Berlant:However It's a wild feeling

16:45Jacqueline Novak:And then I go Maybe early mornings I go maybe that's what it is We could turn into early mornings. It's hardly early. No, but if we get - 8.30 is so fucking - It's not early. 8.30 people are like, yeah, you -

16:54Kate Berlant:Because, like, 8.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30, 9.30. That's four away from 12.30, which is arguably late lunch. I mean, not only late lunch, but you know what I'm saying.

17:01Jacqueline Novak:Speaking of Mad Men, remember he goes - There's one thing where he goes, like, good morning. And it's like Roger Sterling. Who's the oldest one? Oh, um - Who's the amazing - Not Sterling, you mean? No. Like the Japanophile, like, um -

17:13Kate Berlant:See, I can't pull his name. Roger. No, no, no. No, that's Roger Sterling. It's Sterling and – Thanks for Sterling. I got to do a rewatch. It's humiliating him. You, though, being able to go Japanophile, okay? No. Saved both of us on, like, the humiliation, like, you, me, super watchers. I'm panicking, okay? Yeah. We know his name.

17:29Jacqueline Novak:What the fuck is his name? He's brilliant. Anyway, he – someone says to him, like, good morning. Cooper? Sterling Cooper? Yeah, Cooper. Cooper. It's got a Cooper. Anyway, someone says to him, like, good morning. It's 9 a.m. And he's like, good morning. it's practically, as it goes, 9am, it's practically lunch.

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19:51Jacqueline Novak:But 830 a.m. Totally feasible. Why can't that be in my life? It can. If we've learned nothing here. Not if I go to bed.

19:58Kate Berlant:But then I. Well, let's let's let's get serious. OK, I'm going to pull out a little timetable to do the math.

20:05Jacqueline Novak:okay because i did this recently i saw a thing too i saw yeah he goes it's a guy you want to live forever only eat fruit before noon for the rest of your life there was a book written by by like two people in the 80s it was all about that and there's this guy they're like don't eat it later let me guess it ferments in the stomach which isn't true sure but he's like but but it's like fruit before noon only and then i remember thinking i think i read about that in like 17 magazine yeah i was like lindsey lohan was doing it or something anyway point is i'm curious it's not gonna happen but um well let's just how much sleep nine do you require okay minimum for me okay but here's what's so confusing sometimes i get seven and a half hours i'm rested maybe but i

20:46Kate Berlant:want i want eight and a half so let's eight and a half so let's work with eight and a half okay let's work with that here okay so eight and a half right now now let's just say you're trying to get to this 8 30 right okay okay when i get serious about time you got to take also i have

21:04Jacqueline Novak:an announcement, which is that for me to really commit, it's like, I'm talking about a 15 minute commute. I'm talking door to door, taking in time for parking. You know what I mean? You have to. Yeah. So I'm saying, so if I want to make an eight, you have to leave the house and you're

21:17Kate Berlant:not going to rush in late. Is that really enough?

21:20Jacqueline Novak:Okay. By the way, thank you for holding me accountable. 810 parking and you won't be rushing. You won't be, cortisol levels to the roof.

21:25Kate Berlant:And in order to, when you walk out the door, is there any, oops, I forgot. Sometimes there is. So is it reasonable to say, 810, 810. Don't say it. 810 is the latest to build in the five. I think 810 is okay. Someone's blocking my car. It'll never be five. I'll never need the extra five. 810.

21:43Jacqueline Novak:All right. So 810, right? What do you need before you go? Coffee and a snack. And water. No, no. Well, this is where it really gets intense. You know what I really want? A full hour. I like having time in the morning. Yeah. For files I have to send to the mayor. It's about.

22:01Kate Berlant:No, no, no. My father's a freaking 4.30, okay? And the market doesn't open until 9, okay? This is why I moved to California. Pointless people are doing it. Do you want? Waking up early. And there he's got his coffee. He's doing his thinking. And I'm not talking about 4.30, I know.

22:14Jacqueline Novak:You want to try thinking for once? Okay, I have an announcement. To me, this is an unimaginable lifestyle. Journal. Waking at 7. No. And guess what? Everyone does it. You can do it. Everyone does it. 7's late for people. They go, I'm up at 6. I'm up at 5.30. My kids are awake at 6. Exactly. Now they're sleeping in the bed with us, so we're doing co-sleeping.

22:36Kate Berlant:Okay, so let's just play this out. So you're leaving at 8.10. We know, right? I don't mean like you've told us. 8.10, so you want your full hour before you're out the door, and does that hour include like the getting dressed or whatever? Yeah, it does. All right, so that reminds me of some active wear here for you. 7.10, wake up. God, that's so fucking feasible. All right. So we're here now at 7.10. 7.10 waking up. Okay. Okay. You pat on over to the thing. Do you think you put on the clothes right out of bed or pat on over the clothes? The last thing to be done. I put on my Ugg Ultra Mini boots.

23:15Kate Berlant:Right. To keep my feet warm. Your mugs.

23:17Jacqueline Novak:All year round. Your U-mugs.

23:19Kate Berlant:Ultra Mini mugs. Ultra Mini Uggs. Okay. And then, by the way, I'm still wearing these. Remember these? Oh, yeah. They were like. Merrill slippers. I'm part of the Merrill. I really want to hear people doing with their Moabs. Remember my friends, Liz and Jeff? We put our children in Moabs and we wear Moabs. What is that? The Merrill Moab hiking boots. Liz was like, we dress our children in them. The ultimate endorsement. It's really upsetting.

23:48Jacqueline Novak:Merrill actually has a huge issue with sizing.

23:51Kate Berlant:And guess what?

23:52Jacqueline Novak:I got the boots. They were too big. I panicked. I gave them away.

23:54Kate Berlant:Now, I remember when I was going on this group hiking trip.

23:58Jacqueline Novak:looking at the graphs i know the fucking sizing graphs it's wild us uk i go huh huh i know there needs to be a universal foot size once and for all i want that's what we should be fucking talking about the un sure should okay wait wait so you're up at 7 10 right i feel so possible now now i think

24:22Kate Berlant:just for cleanliness of i think the alarm goes off at seven i knew you were gonna say that okay A clean seven. Clean seven. You need a clean seven or the whole thing can fall apart. How fucking old I am? I can't wake up at seven fucking o 'clock. And you wake up and you go, Greg Novak's been up for eight hours. I should text Greg when I wake up. Okay. He like, doesn't I need to get an email from him? Like a well thought out email because he woke up thinking about your conversation from yesterday. Right. Okay. So it's like, you know, it's good. Okay. 7 a.m.

24:52Jacqueline Novak:So. What's what alarm? the phone and then 18 texts from 18 ,000 people. I think not. Or analog. Hatch. Where's the new hatch? I thought you said we're getting new hatches. Yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, you said we're getting new hatch.

25:05Kate Berlant:I know. But then there was something that was weird where I was like, did I dream that? And I definitely didn't dream it. Okay. Actually, it would let me get a lot of sense. If hatch snuck into the ocean sounds, a 4 a.m. message of like, you're getting a free new hatch. You wake up going, where's my free hatch i guess i'll buy it god they can do things the power they have so i really use that it's kind of crazy i love hatch what what gets it for those who don't know hatch is an

25:31Jacqueline Novak:electric electronic alarm system thing that we got sent and i was like this isn't my culture and then i found i go huh the sleep sounds a couple times now i wake up in the night i go i can't go back to sleep i go putting on my hatch hatch blows me back i go it's part of my routine

25:47Kate Berlant:is slamming okay i'll slam the one big button see mine's across the room but on my way into bed i just slam it and then i relax and fall asleep to it i sometimes i feel like something's wrong like i know i know like oh my god i forgot to put the hatch on it's a huge part of my wind down okay this is a huge fucking free ad and i even play a willow i play willow the pillow on one of their morning tracks or something what's that i played i did a voiceover work oh you play willow the pillow. That's cute. Where are you? I have to find you. I know.

26:22Jacqueline Novak:I don't know. Well, by the way, Hatch now owes us at least 200K.

26:27Kate Berlant:Yeah. Yeah. I agree. So 7 p.m. Okay. 7 a.m. 7 a.m. Okay. Now you tell me you want nine hours, right?

26:36Jacqueline Novak:I can do the math. Let's hear it. 10 a.m. 10 p.m. go to sleep. Feels pretty early, doesn't it? And that gets nine, right? Yeah. I feel like 10 p.m. head on the pillow right god my life would change my life would change now are

26:49Kate Berlant:you really I always feel like you're you're asleep then I'm not asleep at 10 it always feels like I don't really text you past whatever and I'm shocked if you're up I know like last night I was thinking

26:59Jacqueline Novak:and I'm like there's no way because you're like dinner at 5 30 shut up I do have an early dinner but listen but sometimes I'd say realistically I'm probably more like 11 11 30 going to sleep now what you'll notice is that and i say this from like one time where i managed it you know 10 years ago or something right but it's like when you start getting up at the time the body wants the routine and okay and you'll start to be tired enough and you might find yourself

27:32Kate Berlant:ready at 10 going i'm really in the mood to go to sleep no wonder you're not in the mood at 10

27:37Jacqueline Novak:What about our lives? You got up six hours before. What about our lives? Performers? Performer life. Also just. Yeah, yeah.

27:45Kate Berlant:Well. Oftentimes you and me perform on the East Coast, right? Yeah. So over there. I'm not talking about travel.

27:52Jacqueline Novak:I'm talking about more just like here. Like on Pacific time. Yeah. Pacific standard. Yeah. Performing. Or just, you know, sometimes you go, I'm out late. But that's just what it is. How many times a week are we disturbing the sleep cycle? Well, you know what I've heard. What?

28:09Kate Berlant:I think if you lock the wake time. Yeah. Oh, fuck. You just fucking lock the wake time. Oh, shit. Let the chips fall where they do.

28:17Jacqueline Novak:You know what I'm saying? That's cool.

28:19Kate Berlant:You go, I'm up at seven.

28:21Jacqueline Novak:I'm up at seven. But sometimes you have to sleep. If you wake up at seven, that's so often for me.

28:29Kate Berlant:Well, I think you let the chips fall, okay, and then you adjust. I don't know, but I feel like you force seven. again this is like my extremism okay but if i'm like dropping the water and you'll swim

28:43Jacqueline Novak:what kate locking eight i'm already trying to lock eight wait why i just thought i know about your hour yeah i know i know i go about the 9 30 workout class is there one yeah there always is now you're at lunch the second you get out you're like fuck that shit this is about having a life

29:00Kate Berlant:that's livable i mean because you also you're getting to the evening and you're you're thinking about you're picturing evening but you're forgetting that like you know it works out god that's cool you could even get dinner with with a friend yeah there's time in this well you've you know you've heard nothing good happens after whatever now of course that's not true in certain senses right yeah i forget what it is but it's kind of like i don't know if i actually don't recall the time that people say that and who cares i'm gonna literally have a kid just to walk-in sleep schedule no i know and once again it's like oh you know you don't need it okay i mean you can have a kid i'm just saying not for that yeah okay so so i'm going because imagine when it's like oh it's time to go to bed at 10 p.m right okay imagining it's 10 30 and i only got eight and a half see what i'm saying you're still a pretty good margin here so you're building the

29:58Jacqueline Novak:margin here okay i'm gonna work as an experiment as an experiment for the podcast how many days

30:05Kate Berlant:me too seven yes you get so excited when you join me it's so easy it's so easy to get me i'm very things like this okay let me look at the calendar all i want in life is accountability i want to

30:16Jacqueline Novak:walk in seven okay okay let's lock in seven it has a nice sound to it well i mean i'm this is i have a benefit i'm already benefiting from the jet lag i know so i start locking in seven now So am I.

30:28Kate Berlant:I mean, okay, I've been home for a week still. Okay, 7 a.m. I was on East Coast time for a month.

30:35Jacqueline Novak:What were we going to say? A week to lock in? No, you got to lock in. Oh, my fucking God. Two weeks, 7 a.m. But, okay, okay. I have a question. I'm not done building the day, though. I have a genuine question, though. Yeah. There's different gradients of tired, right? There's times where the alarm goes off and you go, ah, fuck. And there's times where you're like, I can't. Right? Is that just me? because of my lifestyle that like I'm always amazed that people are really getting up in the morning because of course sometimes I have to wake up early we all do well right but then when I do I'm like well yeah it's like I pretend that I'm a morning news anchor usually that's really good people need you I go imagine the honor imagine the honor of going they wake up to watch me yeah

31:21Kate Berlant:They wake up to me. If I'm not there, how can they get up? It's actually, you could be, fuck. Sometimes I get like tears, okay? Like when some idea like just like moves me in this way. What? Us doing morning news for one year. We've talked about this. I know, I know. We've talked about this before. No, no. I've talked about us as morning daily radio show. You're talking about news? No, I mean a wake up show. Those like barely have news. Calling hatch, calling hatch, 200K, minimum. Audio only? I was picturing us in studio. Okay. We're driving. We got a coffee. Hey, Kate.

31:53Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Okay. Morning news show. One year. Local LA news. It'd be so fucking cool. Public access morning show. A few ideas.

32:06Kate Berlant:So.

32:07Jacqueline Novak:Okay. So you've got my schedule for me.

32:09Kate Berlant:But it's not done. Okay. Because we have to really think about this. So, because this is, now we've actually effortlessly slipped into something called. I'm serious about committing to this for two weeks. I know you are. Called the unschedule. okay we've actually make that up no it's from a book called the now habit i've brought it up before and it was like time management whatever in general and procrastination and blah blah and like these people that have you know they're working on their like dissertation or whatever and they have all day to work on it and they're not making any progress right so he has this thing instead of oh every day is blocked off no that's the whole day is like i'm gonna get work yeah he makes them sit there with a thing and I have like the sheet downloaded with every 15 minutes is a box.

32:55Kate Berlant:Okay. Like throughout the day, like, you know, every 15 minutes is like a line. Okay. And you're going, huh? Right. Okay. Okay. You're going, that sounds whatever, but it's actually not. And here's why. So let's just pretend these are like the lines of the day. Okay. So we do what we're doing right now. And I actually did this. Are you going to die? I probably have told this story before. Look, the light in my eye of telling you something and like the listeners like heard it nine times yeah i tutored at the silver and learning center when i was living at my my parents house post working at the ad agency right kind of bottomed out or whatever yeah i get parents house whatever and it was like i'm gonna get a part-time job to get back into kind of like the world yeah and like the first morning i actually like overslept and the guy called and said the children are waiting okay it was like on my parents so cute children are waiting okay and so it was so stressful raced over there there was a starbucks in the um like right under the sylvan you stopped for a starbucks i probably did it probably did because i go i can't help anyone without that yeah yeah so you know and one of the things i tutored there was sats okay can you imagine now this i've talked about this i've talked about you ready yeah i know i talked that's on the pod how I was like I'll tutor verbal I'm not tutoring math I'm not good at math or whatever right I'm not like like I'm not one of those meanwhile I ended up being one of the best SAT math tutors oh I ended up being one of the best SAT math tutors they'd ever had okay because my self-esteem of comparative you know yeah is fucked right so anyway and I loved it because I really I understood these fucking kids okay man I mean this teenager comes in this is her sylvan or whatever you know and she's like it was really satisfying to me to the point where at times i've thought of just like as a side project doing a quick verbal teach okay sorry

34:49Jacqueline Novak:i'm laughing i'm laughing because i'm also just like imagine like if i have a kid but part of the only reason i'll have a kid is if you sign on to really help i was like aunt jacqueline like like i was like i was like and what am i helping with like everything like you're kind of like

35:04Kate Berlant:around but like like and i get the benefits of you know you know of having my child in your life yeah i get to go home at night yeah exactly exactly no you do you offering benefits no you do i think you know i think you know you know i'm listening okay could be huge

35:33Jacqueline Novak:no because also i'll tell you this about having kids thing really quickly i was talking to someone about oh their kid is so amazing and da da da i was like okay i was like you're not about to say what if you get a dud again no no no no every time we get the kink conversation goes up your fear of

35:48Kate Berlant:like them not being cool yeah i know it's not about cool i know i didn't want to make it worse I'm that cool and safest thing to say. All right. Okay.

35:58Jacqueline Novak:But talking about this person, oh, the kid's so great. And they go, and it's a wealthy person already. And I go, well, yeah, they've got cash to throw around. And they go, yeah, and two sets of living healthy grandparents and the siblings. Like the thing of, you know, the built-in, of course, which a lot of, like, that's a huge help, right? And then, yeah. And you go, where's my village? Where's my village? So I'm looking at the tutor of my village.

36:27Kate Berlant:It's funny, though, because, like, their village is – I'm picturing a mansion. You know what I mean? It's like – Yeah, no, exactly. No, exactly. You know, I do think, like, you know, while it's great to cut off ties with, like, abusive – like, yes, cut and run. Yeah. If you have abusive family members. But I also have long felt like, what are we doing with the whole new houses thing? Like, my parents have a house. Why don't I live there? Yeah, totally. Oh, of course. And then, you know, it all makes sense. The fact that everyone's supposed to like start flesh.

36:58Jacqueline Novak:I'll never forget a woman openly kind of went like that when she realized I didn't live with my parents.

37:05Kate Berlant:Meaning like you could.

37:07Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Or like they're older, like I should be there. But also kind of like, well, how do you live across town from your parents? There's a bedroom downstairs. It was like, yeah, it was interesting.

37:18Kate Berlant:I wonder if that's like, if it's 80s, 90s, when did that really take hold? Moving out? Well, it's very, it's very, you know. You pushed it. It's very whitey.

37:28Jacqueline Novak:The kids and the parents. It's whitey shit. To be. Dropping your parents. No way. Leaving your parents. Fleeing. No, right. I mean. And living elsewhere. Yeah. But it's dropping your parents. Right. That's about enough out of you.

37:42Kate Berlant:Yeah. And then maybe there's some of that pushing the kids out. You know, they want it too. they go i planned for this time i've never bought that but i guess i don't know some people have them young so they can still travel after and then i got i got news for you i'll be a child till i'm 60 yeah of course well way past 60 no i mean like i'll be like a burden yeah emotionally yeah yeah totally totally there's not some 50s mindset of like i don't know you become a man

38:15Jacqueline Novak:so so okay back to my day back to my new life i'm really excited my new life and listen

38:20Kate Berlant:and jacqueline jacqueline jacqueline imagine this imagine this 7 a.m waking up and we're not gonna

38:27Jacqueline Novak:be on our phones but somehow we're gonna connect that phone where we're gonna be like kate phone

38:30Kate Berlant:good morning kate back to gm sacred phone only gm it's back to gm i had to scold kate not really but i go gm does not come with an exclamation point because it was like a hostile gm for those

38:43Jacqueline Novak:For those who don't know, Jacqueline and I, did this start on Gmail, on Gchat?

38:48Kate Berlant:So it actually precedes you. Can you still chat on Gmail?

38:51Jacqueline Novak:Is that just over?

38:52Kate Berlant:I don't know. Okay, it precedes you, but I don't like hearing about that. I know, but fans of my book, okay? Fans of my book. It's like, because in my book about depression, I talk about me and my friend Deirdre.

39:03Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Okay. Like being depressed.

39:05Kate Berlant:Yeah. And so, and so like us being like that together, it was like all we could handle basically was like this like small little gms back and forth and having the other depressed friend where the two of you were like so non-stressful like it's the lowest right but so you text you but then it becomes part of you know and you rightfully so whatever i just wanted to you know what i mean of course but yes but but but gm and then it it's sort of one morning i texted

39:35Jacqueline Novak:jacqueline gm exclamation point and she was like no no no it was like a couple weeks ago i was like

39:39Kate Berlant:I was like, right?

39:41Jacqueline Novak:You're like, GM is lowercase and there's no exclamation point. Exclamation point.

39:46Kate Berlant:Because I felt like it was kind of like, hello. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got scared. No, but imagine 7 a.m.

39:51Jacqueline Novak:GM. It can't be on this. Sorry. Light phone. It can't be on this fucking shit. It's a different fucking line, man. I just got your Sephora order. Last night I placed a panicked. This was actually so fucked up. Through the hag shop, I hope. No, bitch. I'm so stupid. I have my own ability. You could get a little cut back from your own purchase. It's so depressing. But, but I also did a thing where Sephora springs sale 20 % off. I go, okay, well, I'm practically making money buying things then. And then I go, where do I enter the promo code? There wasn't a place to enter the promo code. I swear to God, there wasn't.

40:24Jacqueline Novak:No, right. The link did it for you, right?

40:26Kate Berlant:I don't think that's what, okay. When the link does it for you, it's like kind of like. It creates confusion.

40:30Jacqueline Novak:Because I go, I've been screwed. Bought it anyway.

40:33Kate Berlant:And you didn't see like. But it had to be included. You didn't dig around in those. I dug around and I go. Isn't it interesting how money, right? Right justified. Wait, what? Money what? Like money and matters of money. Yeah. Tallies. Yeah. Line sheet, whatever. You know, your own checking, a checkbook. The money is all the way to the right. Right justified, like, you know, like, like left justified center or right, you know, like text, click on it, formatting something. Oh, it's always right. Money is right hand column. Yeah. I mean, at least in. Did I tell you about when I was I wonder if it's that way in cultures that This language is that way Who knows but point is How does that not affect you There's something specific

41:16Jacqueline Novak:It's neurological for sure Centered would make more sense Centered would feel more like the way of the spine of money I did all do this I went to a restaurant Round on us round of drinks And then they included the round in the bill And I go oh my god I have to tell them

41:30Kate Berlant:Wait wait they offered a free round

41:32Jacqueline Novak:They go a free round I go unbelievable Thank you. It's on the bill. Now they'd said free or they said round on us or. They go round on us. And I go, great, great. That's so nice. They included the round and I, and maybe someone else would go, I'm just going to pay. I go, it doesn't sit right with me. I want the free drinks. And I, and I, I said, you know, I had my hand on my heart. I go, this is so embarrassing. Cause it is, I go, this is so embarrassing. I'm only saying this because, you know, but I don't, but I, I'm only saying cause I just don't want to fucking pay it. but it says here and the server was said oh my god that's such a mistake i'm so sorry thank you for telling me so it's worth it it's what i'm trying to say they're not thinking you know

42:10Kate Berlant:they're not this was the server the one who like gave the free drinks he was like he was there

42:16Jacqueline Novak:coming to him he's coming through him right there when the big dog was next and i go big mama's not gonna like this if i paid for my drinks you threw that in after no no that was private

42:27Kate Berlant:i think that would have been acceptably funny look in my eyes i'm really excited i know you are but here's what keeps happening you're leaving me i'm still in the middle of creating your new life okay 7 a.m okay so i'm trying to explain so lights out unscheduled okay okay you're flying ahead all right okay you can do this part later okay you got me right now you see what i'm saying

42:47Jacqueline Novak:okay okay okay okay go my own sylvan my own sylvan tutor hearing you say sylvan is like so funny

42:56Kate Berlant:okay so i went through with her and the idea is you build and you build it instead of the whole day i have to work or whatever okay because it's really important i got to do that work so i got to clear the whole day for it which by the way there is no such thing as a clear day okay building everything that's fucking real and i know i've brought this up before but i don't know that i finished the sentiment okay so so for example is non-negotiable okay so let's all right fine let's include that okay no no i'm not even i'm not even talking about that right that's part of my new life okay so 8 30 class to 9 30 you're not home till 10 10 right okay i think is fair to say yeah which many would argue that's a luxurious fucking 8 30 to 9 30 or you think you're home by how far is it well i guess it depends in the car it's eight minutes in the car but parking right chatting drop something you know parking meter so so that is your movement okay so you're home at 10 okay god it's almost oh wait does it feel like the day is flying away now no no okay you're going that's early yeah yeah so now you're at 10 now you're gonna be hungry again i imagine lunch is happening right so is it happening then probably because are gonna be so hungry yeah essentially you're having lunch then probably yeah yeah so let's say so now this is when i see you whisking tahini okay yeah but here's here's where i start to

44:23Jacqueline Novak:i go it's almost not about like planning the rest of the day is creating stress right now i think it's actually i think it's actually i can only take one thing at a time and my new big thing that will change the system but the thing that will change everything the 7-8 wake-up call into the like that's that's the revolution i can't go beyond the revolution okay it's fine but can we

44:45Kate Berlant:just play an experiment you don't you can you can discard it after it's done okay okay you can you can tolerate the stress in the in this thought experiment okay live on the pod okay okay so here's what i'm trying to point out this isn't about i'm not saying like plan the lunch whatever okay so that like with the student it was like are you gonna watch tv i'm in my workout clothes

45:04Jacqueline Novak:time scrambling eggs.

45:06Kate Berlant:Okay, great. So luxuriously 10 to 11. Yeah, let's say it. Sure. It's very luxurious. So now you go, all right, do you need a, do you need a stroll? Then I shower. Oh yeah, I need a stroll. Okay. So let's say your stroll is 11 to 12, right? A stroll right again. I almost go afternoon stroll. Oh yeah, sure. So you had your lunch. You don't pig out and need a nap or stroll no so you with your portions okay are able to then now this is when it's okay your what your

45:39Jacqueline Novak:first call is 12 12 30 hard to believe i'm probably you know answering uh no well here's the question

45:48Kate Berlant:why right god why because what's going to happen right here's here's the the fear the fear is like literally is it is it acting i feel like it's acting in roles this idea like you could miss the offer in the morning for the last minute audition. That's so funny.

46:04Jacqueline Novak:No. So that's all been dispelled, right? Like there's nothing. What's actually urgent? So that's, that's the thing where, you know, that's the, that's the thing. I mean, you know, I'm, I'm. Like if you checked your email once a day and, and. Oh, good. No offers. Still no offers. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. Like. No, the idea though, it's really funny because there is the idea of like, I gotta be available.

46:26Kate Berlant:Yeah.

46:26Jacqueline Novak:I gotta be available.

46:27Kate Berlant:Yeah. But it's not true. And also if. They find you. They find you if it was that bad. If something. If it was like the actress in the movie has fallen into a well.

46:37Jacqueline Novak:And she screams only Kate Burland. Yeah. Can replace. No, no, no. It still is yours.

46:43Kate Berlant:And they would break through on. You could even. They'd text. Forget email. We actually need to. No, of course. Of course. So anyway. But let's just say. Because you know it's kind of interesting. and I know you're going to think it's impossible. Imagine, I've thought about this, certain days or certain times are the permanent avails for,

47:05Jacqueline Novak:I mean, for meetings, calls, whatever. Sunday, which, you know, you go, because, you know, in this business, you're working every day, right? You're always, Sunday, truly offline, blackout. Yeah. And people just, they start getting used to it. You lock it in now, Sunday. it's not like you can't reach me but if you're trying to reach me on sunday it might take me

47:31Kate Berlant:you might not hear from me till monday absolutely i'm surprised i don't get like much i'm always

47:39Jacqueline Novak:surprised a few emails there are on sunday i'm calling myself out because i'm like hey guys guys guys you might not hear from me no i just want to scroll my phone do what i'm like i'm positioning it as like a thing of like they're coming at me they're not it's me just like avoid the phone i just yeah brick the phone brick um to have achieved a verb like that they achieved

48:00Kate Berlant:so i know the point with the but the point about like this is actually what i'm trying to say is this is more about how to reverse the mind about how to get the work done if you want to write for an hour a day so it's filling your schedule and leave that's that's what the unschedule is you go two hours i watch four hours of tell let's just pretend so i did this with the girl with the sat teacher she needs to do her studying okay at some point and i go well let's look at your schedule when you do it you're right and i'm like so you come what do you watch like three hours of tv four see what i'm saying and she's like and i'm like let's put that in it's happening every night i love it i love it okay so instead of this we have you to change who you are okay and but to the student you have to change who you are and you know stop a lot of television and just find the 15 minute so so you do all this stuff while i'm having dinner and i know i'm having dinner okay it's somewhere in here and you know what i tend to end up spacing out of my phone for the whatever you kind of build it in and you sort of then you see that yes what's left and you go oh my god there's only like 10 15 minute units really truly available for focused work and then you start going so you have your thing filled out and then you're like where can i sneak it in i want to

49:09Jacqueline Novak:write today where can i sneak it in sorry i'm laughing again because you know this is sorry I come back to having kids. This is the whole thing of like, well, it's great because like it's like. No, it's exactly it. No, exactly. Steal time to write. When the baby's napping, that's when mommy writes. No, but I, listen, I'm coming in really obnoxious. Here I am. I worked out at 8.30 a.m. this morning, but everyone can relax. I've never done that before. Okay. So it's not like. Meaning? I, in the last month, was able to do more focused work than I have in years. Really take that in. Years. And the only thing that I made as a rule was hour of true dojo time where there are some days I didn't do it.

49:56Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Some days I can't today. It's too hard. Okay. Yeah. But instead of the open-endedness this week, this month, today, no. No.

50:06Kate Berlant:And that's what it's actually scary because when you sit down for the hour of work, you have to actually face the work. Yeah, yeah, you have to face the work. Not in an abstract way.

50:14Jacqueline Novak:So if you're just sitting there, so you can bang your head against the fucking table or you can try to write something.

50:19Kate Berlant:Well, that was like, I feel like my brother in high school had like, it was like an intervention where he had to do two hours of homework, okay? And he was allowed to whatever, but he had to sit in there and do it. Two's a lot. There was a lot of work in high school, whatever. One sometimes clawing at the walls. But I remember Jeff doing his two hours.

50:33Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, I like that. It's two hours. No, and some days, because I was like.

50:37Kate Berlant:Chris and I used to do 15s together, okay? Yeah. Where it was like set the timer. Pomelo or whatever. 15 yeah yeah pomodoro in california it's a pomelo timer um and um we just like do a 15 do a 15 because it's like pretty manageable and sometimes you gotta go do a four i haven't announced four

50:54Jacqueline Novak:hour okay and then the second you get motherfucking started well i i heard this and i think this is really the truth and this is and i know we talk about a lot on the pod phone addiction fighting for my life i used to be smart you know okay the point is neurologically they say it takes 20 minutes to actually get into a focus state and anything that pulls you out a text a phone call whatever it's not that you're in the focus you're brought out and then you're back in it takes another 20 minutes to get back in so every ping back to zero and that actually holds true and And Jacqueline, you and I have talked about this.

51:36Jacqueline Novak:My mind. I have ideas. The ADD. About this. Where did I get, and this isn't an astronomical amount of work, but three hours of solid focused work I did on the plane the other day. Kate Burr. Plant has found the truth. It's you and me. Transatlantic. Well, Jacqueline, because what were you going to say? You were going to book a flight to Japan just to get the work done? Yeah. And then just come right back.

51:58Kate Berlant:Or just back and forth from New York to LA all the time. Okay. It's incredible what I can do on there. although I had some Wi-Fi issues this time. Well, that's the thing. Well, thank God I was working offline.

52:08Jacqueline Novak:And that also helped. No texts. Oh, I know. No fucking internet. I was going to complain to Delta.

52:15Kate Berlant:They didn't have my iPad. Remember when I was paying$45 a month for three years, not knowing I'd like accidentally sign up for nonstop? Yeah.

52:23Jacqueline Novak:I was really pissed. But I think I was able to do the focus work because there are no distractions. But also taking off and I was texting you because there was a businessman next to me. Oh, my God. During taxing. Do I have him allowed us? the loudest conversation this is truly it was this volume well if i wasn't so worried about seven million taxes then i'd be more flexible but frank frankly yeah well alexis isn't getting a bonus two million dollars if the wall if the washington post they print on the cover of the this loud if they print on the cover of the washington post that we got five percent that's going to be i turned around and looked at his ass i look in his eyes like and did he catch

52:56Kate Berlant:your gaze yeah because i have noticed that that men okay by the way i don't think anyone was on the other one feel more confident this is what i was gonna say empty line in the other side because i used to do empty it's ticket master on the other side or you know yeah yeah marry marry we're sorry yeah the fear that that that like for him that the the there is no dial tone i guess

53:16Jacqueline Novak:because now you can just do that you can just right yeah but but but he did it and i looked at my time stamps like 45 minutes no and he goes i'm not kind of arguing with the guy yep your

53:25Kate Berlant:time stamps have reportage to others i'm listening yeah yeah including me and i enjoyed it well i i I have this theory that men, if they're on the phone, if you're more confident, to stare at you.

53:36Jacqueline Novak:How fucking high-ish on is your fucking business if you're doing that shit for everyone? Well, yeah.

53:39Kate Berlant:You know what I mean? That's why it's like the louder, the louder. I'm like, wow. Well, I told this story before.

53:46Jacqueline Novak:He's like, I've been dreaming. I told my, remember the girl on FaceTime being like, I got the part or whatever it was. I was like, oh, right.

53:53Kate Berlant:Because then that woman was the publicist, manager.

53:56Jacqueline Novak:She was like, we're going to call Gersh in the morning. I'm calling Ted or whatever. She was doing a big display. Oh, and then she goes, I'm never flying commercial again. I was in first class. A job was flying me, I always have to say. Yes, I know. But she was like, oh, I'm never flying. I wish we could pull up the files, the files meaning the podcast. She said something so despicable, like, I'm never flying commercial again. Like, this is hell or something. And she was so fucking vile, wanted to rip the smile off her face.

54:24Kate Berlant:That's what you get up there, you know. I know. And you go. By the way, I bonded. Well, I guess I'm going to have to change the spiritual tenor of first class from the front.

54:32Jacqueline Novak:I bonded. I know. I bonded with a Delta flight attendant just now. And literally, at one point, we're in the galley. She goes, you know those days, it's just too hard. Life feels too hard. She goes, you know when just life feels too hard? I go, I know. Some days it really does. Your feet are just floating on air. And then she goes, I feel the chaos all around me. No. She goes, the world right now is too much chaos. Are you hearing this? In the galley. In the back when you went for coffee? In the back. I'm going back to pee. Love it back there. She goes, I go back. She goes, this one's occupied.

55:00Jacqueline Novak:There's another one across the hallway. You know what? I'd love to stand for a few minutes. And then she goes, yeah. Oh, you said that. And then she was getting snacks out of the thing. And she goes, oh, it's too hard. And she goes, you know, when it's just too hard, it just feels too hard. And I go, I totally got it. I go, I sure do. And then she really wanted me to get more snacks because she was locked in with me. She goes, please. She goes, I can't look at these anymore. No. She goes, do you want more? I can't. And I go, I literally, I ate some cookies. I didn't even want them. I just want to make her happy.

55:27Jacqueline Novak:I ate the shortbread with the chocolate in it. They're fucking good. I had the most delicious shortbread. Shortbread, by the way? And yeah. Woo!

55:34Kate Berlant:She wasn't vegan. Chocolate chip cookie. Okay, it was flight rules.

55:38Jacqueline Novak:Oh, shortbread? Good shortbread? That is good.

55:41Kate Berlant:No, I think it was, I don't know, but it was some kind of, oh no, because I was forced to fly American because Delta, you're on notice. Okay, no direct flights to Philly. Really? Yeah, it's a big city. Liberty Bell's there. You can't fly there from Los Angeles?

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1:01:44Kate Berlant:Experience the craft behind the comfort and make every day feel intentional. point is right into your schedule four hours of tv right in all the bullshit that you're actually gonna do yeah and then i'm just i need to return to literature for the listener okay okay so guess what literature kate you want to change your fucking life yeah in the morning reading i was doing it for a couple months i stopped unreal try it in the morning i know reposition to the entire day.

1:02:15Jacqueline Novak:Look at my journal. I have a new sacred journal. And by the way, I have a new sacred journal. I have news for you. Is that a engraved traveler's notebook? This is almost so personal that I have the urge not to share it. That's fine. Put it away. Wait, look, Kate. This is amazing. At Kaus Lada, by the way, this is my daily bag. I take this everywhere. Okay. This is the snap. Okay.

1:02:38Kate Berlant:So I'm about to shock you.

1:02:40Jacqueline Novak:I love traveling with it because also it folds so

1:02:42Kate Berlant:tiny yeah and you know what look you have the snap undone too because i sort of to make a little an extender but but look can you believe it carries everything now i've put an entire kabo i've put a huge kabocha squash in this before it's the best bag well congratulations i thank

1:02:55Jacqueline Novak:you i think and it doesn't get dirty like i have like it doesn't it retains it's like pristine i

1:03:01Kate Berlant:think green is also this this kind of green is also a neutral it is a neutral goes without anything but i even think i even think red's a neutral look i wore this in crossroads the other night We need new Pug hats. Do we have Pug hats? They might be sold out.

1:03:15Jacqueline Novak:Holy shit.

1:03:16Kate Berlant:I also brought this for you because sometimes you get hungry towards the end. Okay. That's really sweet. I don't want her like being like, we gotta leave. I'm hungry. Then I imagined you going like, it's dirty. I go, you wash it. And I go, it's floating in a brand new Eckhouse Lada bag.

1:03:27Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true. Okay. So back to Starbucks. Back to Starbucks.

1:03:31Kate Berlant:Yeah.

1:03:32Jacqueline Novak:So. You're in Philly. You've left a hotel.

1:03:35Kate Berlant:I'm dragging my suitcase. I'm also in my gray hooded Tibby thing that I wear. What's Tibby? Did they send? Well, I borrowed these from them in New York. And I sort of keep them for like too long. Okay. But they're very present on my social. Yeah. Like I perform in them a lot. So remember my freaking army green blazer that I wear nonstop? Yes, of course. That's them. Okay, got it. Actually, that should be renamed the Jacqueline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it should come in several colors. Jack's jacket. that in navy you know what i'm gonna talk to them so jacket get it yeah the jacket j-a-q we know it's also interesting kate and jacqueline cacklin i know i bring it up every every six months okay something's there okay wait so you're in starbucks so whatever i i go and i order my thing and it's very spacious starbucks and i'm like hooded and i don't know how long it's gonna take.

1:04:35Kate Berlant:I sit down, I start on my phone and doing stuff. No, I've already ordered. I go and I sit down and it probably sat there for five minutes. Like I probably got absorbed in what I was doing on my phone and I'm kind of hunched over and just this guy comes over and I'm sorry, ma 'am, if you could just buy something, even the smallest thing, you know, then you can sit. But my order's over there. Okay. It's like, I'm not, you know, like trying to move in here. yeah yeah i'm actually king yeah ordering before yeah yeah i run this place yeah true anyway it's like i will decide that a series of things are all like i can rationalize anything so let's see my hair looks like shit i'm like that's because i'm fucking cool and i'm rock and roll yeah and i'm a goddamn road act yeah yeah and then let's say okay i'm also carrying two totes and a suitcase case you know well well so or whatever like it's like but I will do like 10 of those in the same thing where I'm doing all of them at once yeah and I've rationalized them each individually and then there's a there's a gestalt of the whole okay that creates something different even though I know how each piece got which is really true about a lot of things signing off on the individual not knowing what larger pattern you've created my god where I go, I've seen someone with messy hair look cool.

1:05:59Kate Berlant:And it's like, yeah, the rest of them was manicured. I'm not saying that's even true. Just, yes. Okay, well.

1:06:06Jacqueline Novak:Point is. You have to have a local corner on the show. Erwan, of which I'm a member. Yeah. 200 a year. It pays for itself. Unfucking drinkable coffee. Undrinkable matcha. I never get coffee or matcha, Erwan. I refuse. Well, because you have to wait 45 minutes. The wait's not even in. If they had great coffee and matcha, I would do the weight. It's so bad. So I was in an emergency. I needed coffee. I go, okay, you know what? I'm going to get a cold brew at Air One. I want cold brew. I ordered a small cold brew with oat milk or something. I take a sip. I go, it's literally horse piss. Wow. And I go, I don't have time to go back in the line, do a whole thing or something.

1:06:45Jacqueline Novak:Cold brew is hit or miss. And then I take another sip. Grit. There are coffee grounds. I go, I go like this. There's just grounds. in the bottom. There's grounds. And I go, you know what? This actually isn't fucking cool. It's like$8 for this piss. I wait. So the line, the line was moving. I go, I'm just going to do it. And the guy, I go, so sorry to do this. I go, this cold brew has, and I literally show him the bottom and he's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. And I go, could I get another one? Or do you think I should get something else? And he just is straight with me. He goes, I think you should get something else.

1:07:11Jacqueline Novak:I think it's the whole. And I go, I go, okay, then let's get an Americano on ice, whatever. It also wasn't good. Okay.

1:07:19Kate Berlant:But you couldn't.

1:07:19Jacqueline Novak:Today on the way here, I go, I want a matcha. And I go, let me look up a new place or something. I'm doing the time. It's going to take too long. I'm going to be late. And I was already at Erewhon. So I go, you know what? I'm going to place it to go. I'm going to place the order here at Erewhon. I'm going to give them a final chance to do matcha right. And I even asked for an extra shot in the iced matcha latte because I go, there's nothing weaker than it's weak.

1:07:41Kate Berlant:Yeah.

1:07:41Jacqueline Novak:There's nothing worse than it's weak. It was water. It was just so bad. And I could tell by the color of it. I go, what is this? it was Jacqueline with tip everything$12$12 for a small there's a large it was a small it was so bad so this is to air on corporate again remember I give you everything why can't you

1:08:01Kate Berlant:make what what is this no no I'm only like reacting slow because I'm desperately trying to find we received another email from Pug's greatest fan the trucker our trucker that's the old one I sent you? No, okay. Oh, a new one. New one. Okay, this is huge. Okay. Okay, he reached out to say that he did a delivery to Air One and he would only know about what it was. So sweet. Thanks. So sweet. Here he is, Mason. I found it. You ready? Yeah. Read. March 3rd. Howdy. I was driving through Iowa Friday night. Okay, just picture it. Okay. My wife sent me a message. Honestly, we almost should read the original.

1:08:42Kate Berlant:Yeah, I sent it to you. I mean, although, yeah, I know. Read the original first. to catch up new listeners.

1:08:47Jacqueline Novak:Here's the original of our long haul truck driver. Oh, a poog. Oh, a da da da da. You know, broads and gay guys. Buzz off. Okay. Well, yes, but also, we reached truckers. Okay. I'm going to start crying. I just got done driving 16 hours in Wisconsin and I'm happy to finish today listening to poog. Your chemistry is top notch and I don't care what the topic is as long as you two are talking about it. Easiest way to kill 60 miles every day. Trucker Mason.

1:09:16Kate Berlant:Okay. We write back. This is the best email we've received. Thank you. Mason wrote, my pleasure. I'm here for all of your trucking curiosities. We might just have to take you up on it, which by the way, imagine as a guest. Okay. And then let me find the new one. Cause I don't know why I can't find the old one. Are you ready? Howdy. I was driving through Iowa Friday night. My wife sent me a message. She says, you need to listen to Poog episode torn basil. So I did. Imagine my surprise when I heard my own words through your voices. It got a little racy there for a sec, but it's okay. Par for the course.

1:09:49Kate Berlant:I don't remember. We must have been like, Mason, right? Later that night, still bemused, I was looking over my stops in California. First, one pallet of cheese goes to a prison in Blythe on Monday. Then a few warehouses on Tuesday. Fontana. Then what's this? Air One warehouse on Wednesday. Never in my life would I know what this place is, but I've heard so much about it from U2. Goddamn. We need to send him merch like immediately. And then he goes, probably more likely to be Kate than Jacqueline based on what I'm hearing from summer 2024. Vegan Jacqueline, I have thoughts. Oh, reading U2F. Okay.

1:10:29Kate Berlant:But the next, okay, but he goes, but the next time you get something from Erwan with a fancy cheese on it, send your trucker hat. But the next time you get something from Aeron with a fancy cheese on it, send your trucker hag some good vibes through the ether. Regards, Mason. Regards, Mason.

1:10:48Jacqueline Novak:We need Mason merch. I know.

1:10:50Kate Berlant:We need regards, Mason merch also.

1:10:53Jacqueline Novak:And we need, yeah, regards, Mason. And trucker. Easiest way to kill 60 miles.

1:10:58Kate Berlant:Genius.

1:10:59Jacqueline Novak:And I just got a notification. my tom ford shade and illuminate cream contour duo for buildable radiant finish has arrived retail price 85 dollars good girl and the only reason i bought it knowing i can return it that's the sephora fucking promise wow and no one could use it for two months it up i could use

1:11:18Kate Berlant:it for half a year no one takes them up on that like quite like caperland i'll be there in the return i'm thinking of have you been served and we're gonna get going but have you been served this woman whose schtick is is like how i use my portrait painting skills from college as a makeup artist or whatever no but it's like underpainting and stuff yeah yeah shadow well there's like the underpainting palette okay yeah yeah on her skin reads more as shadow than like some bronzer interesting which can look muddy on her i want to formally get my colors done

1:11:49Jacqueline Novak:kate where they put the fabrics who doesn't she do it on air we could hire someone to come here and do it to us on air? Yes, or we could go to the thing. It's never going to happen, yeah. I mean, it could be very – no, it could happen. Are you going to wake up at 7 a.m. tomorrow?

1:12:04Kate Berlant:Yeah.

1:12:05Jacqueline Novak:Do you really think so? Let me think.

1:12:07Kate Berlant:I'll do it. I mean, I'll do it. Now, it's going to be hard for me a couple days, you know, because there's an adjustment. But even though I've been back a week, I was on East Coast time for a good, like, month and a half or something.

1:12:21Jacqueline Novak:I have a huge announcement. Sleeping with the windows open. You hear the morning birds, it wakes you up. But the six is too early.

1:12:30Kate Berlant:They'll have to sing over my hatch, which wakes me up with bird sounds. And Boo wakes everyone up with his sounds. So cute. Screaming in the mornings. By the way, Boo, a fan I met, Emma, gave Boo a lamb, a little catnip lamb. He went wild for it. So cute. So. All right, well. Easy to kill 60 miles. Love you. There's a whole line.

1:12:55Jacqueline Novak:I know. Mason, you and your family will get a cut. We actually, Mason, reach out. We're going to send you a free sweatshirt. Okay, love you. Love you.

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