Paris Again

29:54Jacqueline:We're going to move quickly, but we're not going to, we're not going to lose our limbs. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I can fall and then really not make it. Yeah. Your eyes are darting around, you know, and it's, it's very interesting because. And every, we're pausing about every doorway. We're going to look at that. The colors that, I mean, everything. And that is when, listen, traveling alone, having an experience alone, its own kind of euphoria, absolutely taking it in alone. But some shit, you want to share it. You want it to go on. Now, had I moved yet? I can't remember. Yes, you had just moved, but you still had the key to the old Airbnb, which was really amazing.

30:27But I think that's the next day, Kate, because— We didn't hang out the next day. We didn't hang out the next day.

30:33Jacqueline:No, that was the day you had moved to the new hotel. So was I already there two nights? Whatever. It doesn't matter. Point is, so I, you know, I step outside of my place in London, my place that's connected to the Laslett. Their apartments love them. Yeah. anyway I think I recorded in their space you've seen it I pack up I step outside now I go I got to get to Paris that's the way I can do it linearly and this is why me alone actually works for ADD no one else it would be chaos the night before people would be asking things I can't think about that in my last show right all I can only think about the thing ahead of me so I go I got to pack okay I packed now I'm gonna get outside I get outside the room I've done the thing I'm out by the time I'm supposed to be out now I got to get to Paris how am I getting to Paris train ride right got it get my trainer okay where am I staying right and actually the night before I booked really speedy a little flat okay a little looked like bungalow floor level garden level just sort of Parisian dream you're you're an artist you know that's your space whatever and I could tell it was charming people loved it whatever and I was like oh because I've been looking at a lot of hotels and going this is a huge thing if I'm going to shell out for luxury I kind of want to do the research right if if there's no money if money's not an object for some reason okay I would just I'd say fuck it and book one and whatever right but I don't want to spring for it and then be bummed and I want to say that you've landed on because I texted my friend who's spent a long time in Paris over the years really trust her takes I was like where do you like to stay and she was like well she was like expensive but like fabulous is Chateau Voltaire where i ended up going and she was like i really love this place called the sinner in the marae people make fun of me because that's what it's called and it's vaguely sex themed but the rooms are gorgeous that's where you ended up saying they changed change of hands same property but it's now called experimental marae yeah i think the sex stuff is obviously gone yeah like it's still like like yeah by the way there's a masseuse there i tell you this later yeah that there's a masseuse that had been working there when it was the sinner who i had two friends the masseuse made come from massage not no physical touch to the genitals but i guess massaging around the thighs made two people come that's that's is that not insane insane now did the first one this happened and the second one went in with the expectation it's a really good question no i think it was crazier than that like it like like that was a place people were staying and then it was like yeah i had quite the massage like i had quite the massage like i came i came to my god do you think they're a like wizard like a literal something so i don't know

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35:44Jacqueline:So this is, okay, so I get to my Airbnb the night before, right? I go in and two things I love about it. Huge old building, right? And it's humongous, you know, blue door. where you have to step over. This was a thing I'm fixated on in some certain European, where the door at the bottom is like stepping through a window because they've got to protect from floods, right? So you step over the threshold, go in, go into my little thing. It looks like a window with shutters, but actually, ooh, there's a door behind there. Go in. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's tiny. It's a bed. It's a bathroom.

36:15Jacqueline:But it's tiny. It's teeny tiny. Yeah, it's as tiny as you can get, but they've really done a good job with using the space and making it like, okay, the shower's right there, but the floor, they do a little separation where they have these tiles that kind of a diagonal that make, oh, this is the bathroom, this is whatever. It's totally great and all of that. But, you know, I was alone and, oh, right, of course, because I didn't spend the night. And it was funny. It was like, and they had this great lighting fixture. These people get it, right? And they did. But the pillows for me, glancing at them, looked a little sad.

36:51Jacqueline:And something about that. And you arrived there at night. You had arrived the previous night. Which is a huge issue, I've learned. Arriving at night to any location is hard to be avoided. A hotel, it can feel creepy. Now, it's got to be really, really nice to not feel weird. Particularly if you're not arriving, you're arriving to an Airbnb alone at night. To me, that's hell. Because arriving late to a hotel, at least there's someone there. Hi, welcome. You know, I call Chris, right? We do the whole, he goes, this looks incredible. I go, I know, can you believe this? This is a dream. I'm an artist, whatever, right?

37:20Jacqueline:Yeah. We do the whole thing. And he goes, I want to live. I go, you think it's all right, right? You know, he goes, yeah, we should move in. Find out how much, can we live there? You know, I'll come to Paris. We'll live there. The whole thing, right? And then I start to go, okay, I just start to go, and I start to look, and I go, I think I'm getting out of here. Now, it was so cheap because it was like 500 bucks for, I don't know, whatever that I actually said. I don't care if I can't get it back or get some of the nights back or whatever. Yeah. Fuck it, okay? okay i'd you know and so i look up a lot of places have 24 hour too like you probably only lost a night yeah it's worth or whatever yeah and i'm going yeah it was like 80 bucks i mean you know and so then i see i look experimental marae i go i'm headed over there i'm just okay and i go i'm not even gonna say anything to chris yet i'm gonna i take a cab i book it i go over there it's like 11 30 at night or something the guy was a dream okay the guy at the desk he was exactly what you He was French, but he was totally welcoming.

38:21Jacqueline:It was almost like I was a traveler who had finally made it in. Of course. Oh, no, we're so happy you're here. Yes, you do it the best. Okay. And he takes me up and he shows me all the things. Rooms, they just, you know, it's similar to what I liked about the Lotte in Seattle where they have art. You know, art and frames kind of leaning, like almost like a home, like just like leaning against the thing. There's different elements. there's there's choices being made there's a vibe and i can understand why the center why it was like a sexual hotel because the bathroom is sort of this tiled you know world unto itself you know what i mean windowless whatever but and i go yes okay it's big it's a big bed with a big puffy okay there's eight pillows and the whole thing and so then i called chris i put him i set up the shot I leaned the phone up against the thing across from the bed, FaceTimed him, then got in position.

39:16Jacqueline:And so when he picked up, you just see me, I jump, I dive, I fly through the air and I land on the pillow bed. And he sees that I've, that I've changed. It's very me because this is how I do it, right? I go, I change, I pivot, I get what I want, whatever. And then, and he's like, and I'm like, I know, I know you wanted to live in that other place. He's like, no, it would have been hell for us to live in that other place. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, it was one of the greatest upgrades I've ever done. Next day, Kate's there. And I go, I still have my key. They haven't even responded about me trying to get my thing back.

39:51Jacqueline:Let me show you the whole place. Yeah, so there we are. Right in my key. Through the beautiful street to the Marais. And then Jacqueline has this key. We go in. We pee. I was like, I got to take a piss. This is amazing. Yeah, still my room. It's almost like, you know what would be so deluxe? you book a hotel in the city and then you book the cheapest airbnb you can find but in a walkable part of town where you may want to hang out oh my god and that's your toilet and that's where you drop off bags or jackets you're like okay well that's your locker can you mean that's your locker space that's well i mean there are a nap in the middle it's interesting you gotta think this way it's like when i used to be like oh you could eat for a week ordering off the sides menu of a restaurant okay yeah yeah where you're like like you know what i mean like you gotta you gotta think this way it's like well guess what i'm going back to paris and i well this is i'm looking to do it too because i'm going back and i booked i booked a cheap airbnb in because jacqueline and i that night and i know we're gonna cover every detail but at one point we're walking through saint jaman saint jaman dupri i can't even say it yeah we're walking it's so beautiful we're looking up we're going look at this look at these places i go oh yeah i got airbnb because chateau voltaire so much to talk about we're gonna have to do and i do have video of all these places at least so we're gonna have to do that can be dropped in yeah but the point is i realized chateau voltaire was so gorgeous but expensive in this way where i'm like i didn't really because i want to be out in the street you know yeah day in paris you know you're not hanging out yeah i didn't even get room service breakfast i just got out of the room so i was like if i'm going back to paris for two nights i'm doing a cheap airbnb in an amazing part of town right that good enough reviews for me get out walk around it's just it's a locker it's a sleep chamber it's not the place you're going to be hanging out particularly no it i think it was it was the right move in a thousand ways we learned a lot okay and and it continues to be the case this is a novak principle of travel okay you can never say whether it is definitively whether hotels are better than airbnbs or airbnbs are better than hotels it depends it really depends It depends, which is always hard to hear, but it's true.

42:02It depends.

42:02Jacqueline:I mean, I've booked one. I'm going to Hudson for the week. Everyone will be hearing about that. Yeah. Big time writing immersion. Anyway, but we're going to do that. With your editor physically? No, with my friend. Not my editor editor, but physically we'll be working with my friend. Anyway, we'll talk about that. But hold on. We haven't even talked about dinner at the place from 1800s. 1800s okay so then i made so i made um a reservation at brasserie lip which is a classic people who know paris will go yes of course it's kind of a you can do no harm is what it like classic one of the oldest wrong again is it a bistro or the brasserie i don't know you can't go wrong there is the do no harm yeah my friend my two kind of paris people were like yeah yeah it's great it's really it's like old classic french and you've never been to paris yeah Yeah.

42:57I mean, me. So, yeah, yeah, Jacqueline the Rubin. So I'm like, here's a reservation. I walk, I mean, this is the walk of the lifetime. And that's the thing that the Chateau Voltaire. I walk maybe half an hour walk to the restaurant. I'm going over the Seine. I'm walking through whatever the hell that park is. I mean, it's just, I was alive. By the way, I did something that I've never done. And this is the thing to say, one night, one night in Paris. You can have, you can completely transcend, get years back on your life and be transported by one night. And I, and I'm here thinking, no, you can't, by the way, made different by the fact it was a two hour train ride.

43:34A flight is hell, you know, but I'm just saying. Totally different, yeah. So I get to the restaurant and I go in, waiters, a little scary to me or, you know, just like I'm intimidated is what I mean. Or checking in, my friend's not here yet, I'll wait outside. he's like okay i'm outside this this this guy kind of stumbles a little too strong for her but not really like comes out he has a cocktail a glass cocktail glass in his hand i perceive him as being in his late 50s gay kind of some plastic surgery something's going on and he's he comes out he sets down his his cocktail he's fishing out for a cigarette and he starts and he's singing in french i was like this is unbelievable i'm home yeah and i'm standing off to the side waiting for jacklyn making a point of not being buried in my phone you know head up looking around yeah and then i hear madame madame that's something i look over he's gesturing to me i go oh i say my one phrase that i don't speak french right and he he and then he's immediately switches to um english and he's like will you take a photo of me uh cafe de floors across the street infamous uh cafe where we later went and he's like oh get in the cafe de floor and he's saying don't get my stuff keep my pot belly out of it and then i'm like okay so and then he goes but don't get too close my wrinkles i mean i was it was heaven yeah i'm taking this photos of him and then the the waiter comes out starts laughing starts they're they're chummy he starts speaking to him in french and then and then are we uh no no not waiter sorry the the maitre d the host whatever and then he's like to take a picture of me and him they want a picture of the two of them i'm taking their picture and then he goes now i want a picture with you so he wants pictures with me so me me and this guy posing in front of cafe de floor but i go bingo i've endeared myself to the maitre d because i'm friend now i'm friends with them there he starts saying oh paris like whatever and he was like to know paris all you have to do is walk this saint germain you know all you have to do is walk this street you will know paris heaven he gives me a business card he goes stay in touch what's at me he he does he does hair and makeup i was like absolutely oh my god kiss kiss kiss on the cheek i love the kissing on the cheek i just fucking love it and and then um

45:56Jacqueline:jack and i arrive i see kate yucking it up not except not that energy it's much more french yeah yeah i'm gonna try to do a quick version of what went down okay so again we go by the way and again this is so me that i go in i immediately go oh no the lighting isn't exactly right because it's not a fancy place it's a nice white tablecloth but it's not like a dark moody no like and and initially i go oh no is this not is it very what i want yeah but it became what i wanted because it was real yeah you under you you have to accept it on its terms and come to understand oh this is what it is because this is what this is what's real if this is the classic place we are brought to the back where mirrors on the walls mosaics the classic fixtures and we are we are french people on all side which is what you want there's a long table next to us maybe eight a family something eight people and they are i think they were on vacation from somewhere but they they spoke the headline is well we had this easily vegan you know more or less you know i think it actually was the couscous whatever yeah i don't think there was butter and anything it's easily sort of vegan you know lunch together whatever not really thinking about any of it not really worried about any of it whatever we sit down and I guess in my mind I mean it's just about seeing Kate I'm not really sort of like I'll figure something out I don't care I'll just even if I eat like some weird side and then later get something you know but my intention is to to hold on to my plant-based existence right because you know it's like if me and Chris go on a romantic trip to Paris you know and whatever maybe i retain this idea that for me food as a cultural experience still holds value okay i mean duh but but where where something that i'm doing for health essentially i am willing to i mean i'm still drinking booze we know that's a class one carcinogen right yeah yeah whatever so i like my lifestyle overall how i do it i like my instant pot i like the whole thing nutritarian when it's under my control but i just hadn't really thought it through and i i i wasn't prepared this wasn't like the moment i was going to do it and so it's sort of like this moment where i'm just trying out with the waiter just oh i'll just get a salad and a side of the vegetable you know just this kind of thing and he's instantly like what like it's it's you know for him and i'm even and even when i'm saying when i say i say vegan just to i don't want to bring it up with them if i could navigate the menu without it you know of course i'm just i'll just say vegan because they you know they know what that means and but the problem is it triggers this moral thing for them that i'm this is my moral and i have a problem with what you're doing here otherwise that's not it so it's a nightmare it's me as a food lover it's just it just is tough so when i like to be someone that's all about more food more whatever whatever so that feels out of line so i'm sitting there i'm having a lot of anxiety we've ordered two you know um like salad whatever we Kate's got the you know thing it just it's it's like it's chaos it's stressful it's chaos yeah I start spinning about oh my god I can't do this like like I can't like you know my my plant-based lifestyle is like it I won't it will never hold and I don't know it just is this moment here come the tears okay yeah I see her I I hear that.

49:31I see the big, wet tears.

49:33Jacqueline:Yeah. You feel you hear the clench in my throat. Yeah. And there was also this is the thing I keep learning myself. Two things are happening simultaneously. It's like a breakdown. And I think it's ADD. There was a second thing happening, which was Chris was getting my meds in Los Angeles and dealing with like, will the insurance go through on these meds? And then he's going to send them to me. And will they get there in time? So that's sort of unfolding. and I know he's dealing with either the pharmacy or the package. So it becomes, all right, I'm going to step outside because this is like, now it's like I've talked to the waiter, said I'm vegan and now I'm visibly crying, okay?

50:07Jacqueline:Yeah, yeah. I'm going to call Chris because no service in the restaurant and the pill thing. I'm going to call Chris, but what I really needed from Chris was comfort around the food thing, as was revealed, because it instantly turned me around. Yeah. In the meantime, she's on the phone and Aperol Spritz drops on the table that i've never seen this a long silver spoon is jammed into the aperol spritz ostensibly to mix up the aperol at the bottom so you don't i mean it's a small detail i've never seen that before i know it's beautiful okay so i got to chris did you get the pills yes whatever blah blah and i go i'm in a french restaurant i just don't know if i can do it chris yeah yeah i don't know if i can do vegan here or whatever yeah he goes enjoy yourself it's like you know what i mean like just what are you you know like and i'm like well i didn't want to betray you and all we've done together okay yeah yeah yeah whatever enjoy yourself whatever whatever i go all right yeah fuck it what why am i whatever i go back in okay i go fuck it okay we're going the other way call the waiter over okay and i go i go and then again in my broken french okay and when I'm in Paris, I'm not vegan.

51:25She's trying to make clear, not vegan anymore. He's confused. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's like what you had presented earlier is like a true restriction, a true difficulty navigating the menu. How do we do this? And then you come back in and he initially gets annoyed because he's like, wait, are you trying to change what you ordered? The salad keeps coming. I can't change. It's coming. Right. And then you're like, no, no, no, no. Add something. Add something. So I say to Jacqueline because I got what I love. I got a steak-free poivre. So I'm like, I'm going to get a steak. Jacqueline. Oh, no, if he first goes.

52:00What do you recommend? Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I look at him and I go, what's your favorite thing?

52:06Jacqueline:Okay. And he kind of gets this smirk. Because first he goes, okay, so what are you getting? Steak? Almost like, you know, what are we going for? And I go, sure. Or then I go, what? He goes, you know, foie gras stuffed sausage. He's almost like playing with me in that he's giving the most, you know, meaty things you could possibly say. I go, well, what's your favorite? And then he smirks, he goes, the veal? He's trying to play with you, a former vegan eating veal, right? What's the opposite of veganism? And then you go, you kind of go, sure. You're like, I'm sure. And then you say, what's your favorite?

52:44and then he gets this real smile on his face and he says the pig's feet and jacklyn novak jacklyn fucking novak goes okay great and i'm really and i kind of go jacklyn you know i'm sort of like talking to you i gotta go yeah i'm like get a steak get something i'm gonna get a roast chicken get something you know don't pig's foot he's off you've ordered the pig's feet which but it's like my mother grew up eating you know so i was like that's so so real of you now why

53:16Jacqueline:did i do this i just want to because you know there might be um plant-based listeners crying at home and that's fine okay but to me it's like if i'm eating for culture if i'm picking something that's in there go full bourdain jacqueline bourdain yeah if i'm eating for culture i don't need a steak i've had a million steaks in my life yes of course a steak poivre you know paris sure right but if I'm eating for culture let me have the most yeah do the thing right it's it's and so and I don't even care and I accept it I go Kate it might I go my only concern because you were like what's gonna arrive at the table you know and I don't know I didn't ask I didn't go is it gonna feel like a piece of meat or is it gonna feel like a hoof okay bone yeah and I accepted I go my my only concern is if it's something like there's toenails and and am I supposed to eat those or leave the wasn't plate and i don't want to look like a fool in which case i'll ask him do i eat those okay so i just i accept whatever it is i am ingesting i'm so impressed so then it arrives i'm gonna i'm gonna skip right to the end which is jacqueline novak ate every last bite of the pig's feet don't forget i was there was one bite oh oh i know oh i know i didn't Jacqueline's eating them.

54:32And I'm just like, I'm so impressed. I'm just, I'm floored. And by the way, she's not making a big deal of it. She's not, oh boy, here I go. Bite number one. She is just eating it. She is just fucking eating it. And I, I am amazed. I'm impressed. It's the whole thing I've ever seen. No, no. I was like, this is, and you really didn't understand. You're like, what? Like, and it wasn't a show. Like you, you were just like, well, I mean, yeah, I'm gonna eat it. You're like, yeah, it tastes like, you know, and then you're like, do you want a bite? And then here comes my mother in my head. I'm like, I should have a bite.

55:04You know, like my mother loved pig's feet. Her mother made them all the time, like, you know, Spanish food. And I'm just like, by the way, I'm eating a steak. So this is a weird thing of like, well, what could, there's no difference between eating a steak and a pig's foot, but I fucking can't do it. And you even take a little bite for me and you put it on my plate. I'm like, I see a little gelatinous or something. I'm like, I just can't fucking do it. Like, I just can't do it.

55:29Jacqueline:It's too far for me. It stayed on the plate. It stayed on the plate. And then I go, do you want me to remove it back from your plate so it doesn't look like you projected some pig's foot? But you go, I've never impressed you more, okay? And it was thrilling because it wasn't me trying to do anything impressive. No, she wasn't. And you go, and it was one of the greatest moments of my life, okay? Because, you know, you know my act, okay? But you go, you really are Churchill. Forgot about that. Okay. Because I always identify as a Churchillian figure. if potbelly want to eat in that kind of man way.

56:01She's Winston fucking Churchill. She's Jacqueline Bourdain. The waiter comes over eventually, and I see on his face, he's impressed. He is smiling. Really? Yes, of course.

56:13Jacqueline:I go, oh, remember, I go, I go, because again, I know, like, the bill is like, um, or something, or no, like, the addition, right? That's the only other thing I can say. I'm like, like, drunk on one, uh, Aperol Spritz and the emotions, right? So I'm like. Yeah. I'm like, maintenant, c 'est l 'heure d 'addition. It is the hour of the check for us. You know, like really going nuts. He's loving it. We're best friends for life. And did we then go to that other place? Well, because we're like, oh, dessert. Desserts are all around us. They look wild. But it's like, let's do a second location. Let's go to Café de Flore, get a cocktail and a dessert.

56:56Yes. He comes over. a different waiter is checking us out with the with the bill he's unbelievable he looks like a painting of a french waiter oh yeah we start chatting him up he lived in new york for years i mean he's like an egon chile like painting of a man and then oh we get uh is that what we got oh no well the way no no jacqueline we're jacqueline this is how we know that we won over the waiters yeah that were that were the americans they love they hand us to they don't do this every table by the way i don't know if that's true but i just don't think that's the case they're in a very sweet like they're like take these they give us two menus as and they're kind of long strip menus they're not huge as souvenirs and then we chatted up briefly the table next to us french people are speaking french and they're like take it like frame it yeah frame it in your home and i was like so i'm looking at it right now i have it magnetized the of the fridge and i would love to to frame it uh eventually one day absolutely i must we should have kissed it with our own lipstick and that's cute and then the guy you know next to me 140 years old eating like just it's not even like tartare it's like just like to me it looks like just like raw ground beef on a plate like yeah so and with a spoon i was just like a red wine i was

58:14Jacqueline:like god damn this really is i could have knocked that back too i mean that's the joke but yeah he kept looking at us remember yeah but it was totally just giggling and excited and sometimes you know those older men they just sort of are like they don't give a shit anymore they're just like they can just freely stare stare at you yeah yeah yeah now glance back and you know whatever but we get out of there remember we had another did we oh no what was it oh it was the saint germain spritz instead of the apple no no no no so we get across the street to cafe de flore the you know we sit outside sitting outside it's maybe 10 o 'clock yeah and we order so i'm going i want another aperol spritz there's no aperol spritz on the menu i get confused i say to the waiter oh so you could play aperol spritz he's and he it's confusing he's just like no like we don't right what even though you saw people drinking it it was weird all right i'm like i know you have aperol what's going on so let me get this thing it wasn't called this the saint germain spritz was it called something else but it was saint germain and i start going in my head i go oh is that gonna be too sweet it's gonna fuck i'm gonna get a migraine whatever jacklyn we order them they come over i even said you could have a sip to test it i know and i'm gonna say this once best spritz of my life and i'm talking about every element so first of all the glass was absolutely beautiful it's like a fine crystal yeah remember it was like you if you were a glass remember it was just it looks like you it was it was beautiful it was neither a martini glass nor was it a wine glass nor was it a traditional coupe it was something something else it was really special he goes and he's making the spritz at the table and he's using champagne which is my big issue with a lot of spritzes as we all know i fucking hate prosecco traditionally spritzes maybe with prosecco it's fine i look the other way he's using champagne for the spritz and i go you turn the other cheek fuck i'm like this is that's what i want he makes it yeah it is heaven.

1:00:10Jacqueline:It's heaven. I think that might become a home cocktail for me. I know. Because it's not a lot And it's not sweet. It's less infinitely less sweet. I know. It's less sweet than the Aperol Spritz. I don't understand. Yeah. I love it. But no. It was transcendent. We got that. We got apple tartatain. A favorite. Yeah. Profiteroles. We're sitting there drinking our Spritz. Staring outward. You know, it's 10 becomes 11. And there's a French guy, an old French man, little loose on his feet like he's had a few. Yeah. With a hat, smoking a fucking pipe. Smoking a traditional. When's that time you saw someone smoking a pipe?

1:00:49Walking down the street, a little drunk. Pipe in his mouth. Not even holding the pipe. Just the pipes sticking out of his mouth. I mean, it is absurd.

1:00:56Jacqueline:By the way, I just, because we're going to have to wrap up and we'll do more on Paris. Yeah. Okay. But when I got to Paris in the train station, I got out and I was going to grab a car to wherever. but I was like, let me walk a little away from the train station because I can't really tell what's going on here and maybe it'll be hell to get a car over here. And then I just kept walking, dragging my humongous hard shell suitcase through the streets. I walked like 25 minutes dragging it just so happy, like I'm finally in Paris. Little girl, little girl who studied French, okay, has finally made it on like almost like, and like, you know, on my artistic, you know, lifestyle.

1:01:32Jacqueline:Like, that's how I got here, you know what I mean? Because there's like 100 people willing to show up and watch me i'm like that's cool you know what i mean like not so bad you know like maybe it took a while to get here but like you know so i'm romancing the whole thing and headline for me was paris felt completely natural to me for both of us it was so relaxed the next day i never expected the episode yeah the peace in the heart the next day i spent the day solo walking around couldn't have felt more comfortable happier there's a peace i mean it is yeah although the thing that i want to unpack at some point well two things we didn't even go back to the earrings i i did a yeah we did a good boundary which was we were walking we'd walk to another area you go would you hate going back for the earrings and we had been sort of in our mind headed to sit at a cafe kind of take a rest and i go no i go i'll sit at the cafe and wait it out You were getting the earrings.

1:02:31Jacqueline:I don't know why. It's just I didn't want to go racing back. It makes complete sense. And I was like, I need to get the earrings. I need to get the earrings. So I went back, got the earrings, raced to the hotel. The hotel was so beautiful, but again, couldn't really enjoy it. Oh, I have actually a quick thing to say. Then that's when we met for dinner. This is a little disappointing. And I go, would someone else have made a fuss? I've been in London without a bath at this point for two weeks, two and a half weeks. the the chateau there was a bath but i'm sorry the shower head piping hot great the faucet for the bath couldn't get hot really and i was like doesn't sit so well given the price point folks doesn't sit so well given the price point it was midnight you know i was like what am i gonna do call down of course not switch rooms of course not but i didn't get to take a bath in paris and that was and this is the other this is the other life we we have to do another hour after this because so much life stuff came up and I have voice notes I want to find and play.

1:03:31But I, so my whole vision was I'm going to splurge for a nice hotel. I'm going to be in a bathtub in Paris solo at midnight, you know. Didn't get to happen. Still had the transcendent experience.

1:03:43Jacqueline:And you have to, yeah, you have to be limber spiritually, okay, to accept that things that you didn't know were going to happen, happened that were glorious, et cetera, right? You know, we had an absolute, you know, we had a romance. I mean, it was perfection. But the thing I want to get into maybe next time is the next day when you were fixated on that you could have taken a train one hour later. I want to talk about that. And I have video of you. Oh, well, that's a huge one. This is where we started. I started to unravel. This is where we get into the life. You're like, you're like a little Lexapro might really help you out because the way that I was.

1:04:17And again, I guess we have to go. We'll get to this. We'll get to this next one. But I had a spiritual spin out, decision making, fixation, fear of loss. It brought up everything for me.

1:04:28Jacqueline:And where, of course, the time spent on that is longer than the times, you know, that you've lost in Paris. I mean, I do this too. I spend all day trying to buy myself one more day somewhere. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like the cost. Like, I'm off to Hudson right now. To be continued. This is great. Love you. To be continued. Love you.