REMIX: Surrendering to the Healer

15:31Kate Berlant:It's an object hanging at the end of a string or a chain. And sometimes it's a crystal, sometimes it's a rock, sometimes it's a stone, sometimes it's a shell. And you dangle it from one hand and you may ask it questions. You may establish a relationship with a pendulum. Okay, it's a divination tool. Let's say it like that way. So it can be considered a mere extension of your body or subconscious, or you can choose to feel that it's coming out of elsewhere, right? Or they're all one in the same because you're part of the one. But you might establish a kind of language with it where you decide, you know, my name is Jacqueline, okay?

16:06Kate Berlant:And it starts spinning clockwise. You know, my name is Dunkel R. Fredman, okay?

16:11Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, yeah.

16:12Kate Berlant:It starts spinning left. Okay, that means, you know, no, essentially, whatever. Or I'm at peace and it starts sort of scrambling in the middle, you know, not going either way or goes dead still. It could also be used like in Debra King energy healing courses, like to check people's chakras. So they'd lay down on the table and she'd hold the pendulum over. Okay. And it would pick up the energy of the spinning wheel of the chakra or like, you know, like they get to like the second chakra and that shit's dead still. Okay. And they're like, yeah, it's shut down or it's running counterclockwise, which is like a thing.

16:46Kate Berlant:Like the chakra is not only just shut down and small, but it's like, you know, circling negative spiral. And so they would do things like tone over the chakra, like, oh, okay. Okay. To get the chakra into the vibration. It'd be like C note for chakra one and like D for chakra two, whatever. But like, oh, and like the idea was like some of them are again, like another sort of tool that like, if you're like a master healer, you just like look at the chakra and be like, okay. Yeah. Through direct intentionality. but early days when you're learning and you have less confidence or whatever this is just all in kind of language of this idea whether you believe it in or not it's like yeah use the tool later the

17:32Jacqueline Novak:tool might become irrelevant you know what i mean well you can imagine for me someone crushed by uncertainty you know you can imagine a tool like that for me is it's it's a slippery slope my friend who has one who she's very it's not okay okay i think because she has a very close relationship with her pendulum she like always has it in her pocket always and she will do little things from you know dinner reservation help all the way to like you know are you and this person meant to

17:59Kate Berlant:be together whatever the fuck it sounds like you're looking for a magic stone yeah like you're looking for a certainty stone a pendulum i know i just heard about a yes no machine yes no machine i mean you're you're you know certainty at all looking for god in all the wrong places yeah it It feels like it, dare I tap into my own sense of wisdom, but my sense is no tool is inherently good or bad or meant for anyone or everyone. Right. Imagine you create yourself, you know, like someone can be a hairdresser and they're doing like work on your top four chakras and like whether they, and like they might say like, I can't do it without giving you a haircut.

18:35Jacqueline Novak:A woman who cuts my hair is a Reiki master. Yeah. Zap. Now you're supposed to ask for permission to do any healing work. I've had someone say, can I enter your force field or can I enter your energy field? And I go, mm-hmm. Don't let the dork hit you on the way out. I told you.

18:54Kate Berlant:This is a thing. This is a thing. This is a real thing I've heard about. Okay. Oh my God. Which is if it falls out of the light. Okay. If you let ego in too hard, the gifts can leave. Fuck. And you know, you must be humble about your gift. And I don't think that means like, I don't personally believe I've heard people say like, I don't think people should charge for that kind of work, like spiritual related work. I disagree. I think you pay people for their time. Yeah. You're paying people for their time.

19:21Jacqueline Novak:I mean, if I were talking about labor, I mean, the force field, if you're laid out because you're doing so much energy work. Right.

19:29Kate Berlant:Come on. Although they're kind of like, if they're going to go pro, they actually have to learn to manage that.

19:35Jacqueline Novak:Well, that's the thing. How many appointments? Can you do it? You ever like go into someone and then there's someone coming out. You're like, wait, there's no time in between. Like you're going straight from them to me. You're not taking 45 minutes to lay down.

19:47Kate Berlant:No, I think that's like clinical. You know, some people I've worked with that I think are excellent will say we need to reschedule because I don't believe I'm depleted or I'm sick or I'm whatever. And I'm like, thank you. Absolutely. That's cool. so the remote okay the remote work because I've pitched energy healers to friends yeah and I say don't worry you don't even have to leave your house okay they don't even have to look at you you just get on the phone you know and it's like this belief level this is what I find interesting it's like the believer doubter right we all come up with our metaphysical rules for what makes sense to us so I think for you you kind of and it's it feels like you to me you're like well no it's being in the presence of the singing bowl teacher.

20:37Kate Berlant:Like you kind of believe it like between like chakras one and three there. I say, okay, one to four, like almost like, because those are the ones sort of more connected to the physical.

20:45Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. I believe in the theater of the thing.

20:47Kate Berlant:I don't even know if it's the theater. I mean, it might be the theater, you know, anything can be theater. I think like, okay. So for me, it's sort of like, if the shit's real, the shit's real. Okay. And if on the level at which something like radical and instantaneous, like work is being done, time is being collapsed and space is being collapsed. Okay. Or if anything, space is being collapsed. So it's like, if you can't do it at a thousand, you know, 3000 miles, why can you do it at one foot? Right. Totally. Okay. I'm not necessarily saying I believe this. I'm just saying this is a conception I have that I've entertained, which is like, if you're only able to do it at one foot, it's because you're, you are just dumping energy directly from your personal field to them.

21:39Kate Berlant:Do you see what I'm saying? You're like scooping up some energy from the earth under your feet and just hauling it onto the person. It's relatively more physical if it requires, if it were like, like I'm like, it's like lower.

21:51Jacqueline Novak:No, no, I see what you're saying the zoom healing is the the highest form i mean i guess i am i guess i am i love that you've you've presented a good case a dear friend as you would say very sweetly gave me a session with this unbelievable body worker a couple of days ago.

22:22Kate Berlant:If it's the friend that sent you the pie on Thanksgiving. Who? No, no, no. It's a different friend. Okay. I was going to say this friend's doing too much.

22:30Jacqueline Novak:Okay. Listen, I get there on the table. This guy is unbelievable. He immediately starts pressing me going, Oh yeah, you're right. Hip here. Giving me that structural understanding things. He's like, also knows about Chinese medicines to got your tongue. He's like, he looks at my tongue. He goes, Oh, you're like in a lot of emotional distress right now. Aren't you? I was like, yeah. And then he's like, we're going to do emotional stuff on you today. I was like, great. He starts, he puts needles. He starts massaging this little point on my foot hurts so badly in this way that I can't even fathom.

23:03Jacqueline Novak:He sticks a needle. Boom, boom. Each foot, boom, boom. Each shin, my stomach, my hands, the needles are in there. I'm doing deep breathing. He's massaging my head. I start weeping on the table. It was. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Baby. I start weeping on the table. Get me in now. Get me in now. Get me in now. He's like really sweet. He's like, let it go. I'm like weeping. And then somehow just kind of eventually it stops. My tears are getting on his hands for sure. He's massaging my head. What? Just tears or is there? At first. No, no, there's sounds. At first there just was a steady stream of hot tears.

23:39and then I started those kinds of things.

23:43Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Yeah. Fully amazing. And I feel just fine with it. Like I'm not holding back. I'm just kind of like, yeah, I mean, I wasn't going, you know, but I was, I was crying. Okay. And then somehow it kind of stops. So key point before he put needles in, he was kind of testing my flexibility. He was like, Oh wow. See, I can barely get this leg here. This he's presses on this part of my sternum and I'm like, ow, that's really tender there. He's doing this little tender spots on my neck. Ow, that hurts. He brings the needles out. Suddenly, honey, I am flexible. My leg that 20 minutes ago couldn't go here.

24:15Jacqueline Novak:It's going there. No. He presses on the place on my sternum that was really tender before. Painless. He presses on the place on my foot that was really hurting a second ago. The fucking pain is gone.

24:24Kate Berlant:Did he go, let's see how the sternum feels now?

24:27Jacqueline Novak:No. Oh, no. He goes, he, well, yeah. Like afterwards he pressed on these spots. Which I don't have a problem with. I just, how does that feel now? And I was like, wow, now that's fine. I mean, it was, he was like, you're going to be really tired later. Don't eat any raw food, eat like warming foods. I sat up, drank some broth instantly and whoa, felt the release. And that passed out dead asleep at like 8.30. I couldn't stay awake, slept, woke up the next morning, eyes open around 7.30, 8.00 AM, steady steam of tears from like 8.00 to 12.30. I texted you. I was like, this is crazy. I'm just like crying, crying, crying, crying.

25:05Jacqueline Novak:He texted me. He was like, how are you? I was like, well, I slept really well. My body feels great, but I can't stop crying. And he was like, yep, totally. Like do some squats, do some breathing. But this guy, this guy, and I'm going to New York and I'm like, I need to do weekly acupuncture. I have to get back into it.

25:30Kate Berlant:lymphatic massage i said you bitch when you told me you got some because i feel that i need it and i should have been on a regimen of it for the last month

25:39Jacqueline Novak:and so i was just like fuck just get it before you leave my my friend loves her it's my first time ever having a massage in the house what like am i in this house so this is very luxurious right she comes over.

25:50Kate Berlant:I don't think I could let someone in the clutter and the chaos right now.

25:53Jacqueline Novak:Gets me on the table. She's a goddamn healer. Okay. This woman, let me tell you that because she starts, she starts doing it and she's like, Oh, it's your first lymphatic massage. Yeah. She's doing it. I'm like, Oh, and she not to brag, but she goes, wow. She goes, you're very clean. Oh my God. Can you believe how that made me feel? Lymphatically clean. And she goes, I'm surprised. She's like, cause it was your first time. You know, she was like, you're very clean. The writhing. It's the writhing, Kate. She goes, you're a little bit. She like was moving. She was like, there's one little spot in like the back of my leg.

26:23Jacqueline Novak:She was like, normally people have a lot here. You don't. She's like, there's a little bit right here. She goes, there's a little bit right here. And then she's doing my face and my head. Oh my God. She hits the spot on my right, on the right side of my head. Pain shooting at like, I was like, ow. She was like, yeah, you have a little right here. I was like, I can't believe this is a spot on my head that I didn't even, and me with migraines, headaches, I feel like I know my head. she hits this one spot that I and she goes you think a lot she's like you're thinking a lot I was like yeah she's like yeah she's like you need to I loved it she was like well you have to put epsom salt there you need to put you really soil there yeah she's like you need an hour before bed she says you need to really like do nothing no phones no no you have to like she's like it'll go away the pain will go away if you do that if you start doing that I'm feeling for it I'm feeling for thinking pain she gave me my first and this was actually uncomfortable for me because she gave me this really intense stomach massage no she goes she goes i'm gonna take a picture of your stomach and i go uh or she's like she could show before and after a picture she's a really like she's a portuguese accent she's like i'm gonna take a before i'm just adding that for kind of for the full narrative yeah um flavor yeah give it to me and she's like i can't do the accent yeah but she was like i'm gonna take a before and after picture of your stomach and i was kind of like i only need that you know and i was like well sure she takes a before picture of my stomach she does this massage on my stomach which i'm like having to breathe through because i'm like it's like intense it doesn't hurt but it's just a really no no when they do that even at the doctor the

27:48Kate Berlant:physical it's a very like shocking okay good to hear because you know yeah so she's doing she's

27:52Jacqueline Novak:good to hear because i was like something's wrong yeah immediate hospitalization needed so she's doing the massage and i'm feeling like tingling in my legs like she's like moving shit i like feel it she takes the after picture i go whoa the stomach like looks different no it's like carved out it's like the fluid or whatever she moves around like goes down i'll give it to you right now. It was so good. Loved her. Can you go to her home? I don't know. Or she insists on coming into the home. That's interesting. She might insist on crossing the proscenium, so to speak.

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33:14Jacqueline Novak:I had a really uncomfortable day of alleged healing or gifts to the self. So there's a lot to talk about, but I went to this really intense fascial release. I'm very excited about getting this wreck. Who's also kind of psychic and she's very tapped in. It's three hours long. It was really intense. And then - Three hours long? Three hours long. See, this I can really get into because it's me. three hours and 15 minutes like it's really long that's what you would need if this is like oh she's going she's going in oh my god did it hurt ever which i yes it hurt a lot it hurt a lot negatively it was very uncomfortable a lot of it really hurt my god and where shoulders had no arms for at least 15 minutes so i had no idea i had no idea i was holding anything my shoulders don't bother me yeah she's like i'm like ow ow like really intense um legs stomach 40 minutes well here's the big one the entire time she's burping continuously because she's a conduit or whatever it's called like she's doing like a energy release or energy healing i talked to this kind of moving energy she's moving yeah she's moving energy i looked this up after you mentioned

34:31Kate Berlant:and read about this for like 25 minutes. Yeah. What'd you learn? You know, it was talking about, it was talking about that being a common way that energy is released by energy healers. Burping, you know, there were some other ones. There was like Reddit threads, people being like, I was kind of shocked or someone being like, I am one and I do this. And yeah, it's a little embarrassing, but it's the way it goes.

34:55Jacqueline Novak:She's in a mask. She makes you wear a mask. What kind of mask? Just like a cloth mask. I think because of the burping, maybe just like. fair enough yeah and whatever but did she warn you about the burping she said it early on but i knew that was coming because my friend like had gone i was brushing my teeth thinking like robert durst like oh god the burping the burping like he was like wildly releasing totally no but she but listen there was maybe a moment where it was 40 minutes of her on my stomach no words exchanged her burping continuously really deep like and painful she put her finger on my belly button if i go okay wow she's working my inner belly button so hard it fucking hurts and i go okay i feel that meaning going sort of into it or yeah i mean okay no no she's like inside of it like yeah because in any and i was like i feel that in the center of my vagina she was like yeah and when you say the center do you mean deep yeah like the deep center and she was like well this is like connected to your pelvic floor and she's doing like the stomach and she's she's like oh oh, I'm going to move your rib up.

35:57Jacqueline Novak:Your liver is too low. Like your liver needs to be like released and higher. I was like, okay, excuse me. I'm like, ow. Did you make that? Did you do it?

36:04Kate Berlant:Yeah, I did some of those.

36:06Jacqueline Novak:I do. I mean, I'm doing a lot of breathing and she was like very like, well, good breathing, really good breathing. I was like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, I was doing like that. No, no, no, no. So you were bringing a little bit of, I mean, I was having fun. I mean, like, you know, I had a couple, you know, I made her laugh once because my, because I think my face, because I'm wearing a mask and my eyes look, when she says, I'm going to move your liver. I think my eyes, you know, understandably became terrified. But listen, I have to tell you something. So she watches you walk. She's aware of your posture.

36:38Jacqueline Novak:She instantly in this way, I couldn't believe she was like, okay, yeah, your right arm. She's like, look, your right arm's longer than your left. What? She shows me. Oh yeah, it is. Didn't know. She's looking at me walking. She's going, okay, you're probably someone who crosses your, she is, I'm now aware of the fact that my, I constantly cross my right ankle over my left when laying down like I sleep like that okay I

37:00Kate Berlant:love when I'm lying there I have to if I want to actively do like muscle relaxation I'm usually like oh shit I need to unhook those because they're yeah they're like tied at the bottom

37:09Jacqueline Novak:like a little bow so now I'm aware that I that's just my go-to and she's like you gotta stop doing that like it's totally throwing off like everything so she does she adjusts by the way adjusts nothing cracking just she does the fascial massage the word I mean yeah and literally I'm so sorry she does before and after pictures my posture is different okay like I'm straight and I came home and I was like whoa I am kind of like taller or something yeah it's almost looks like less pelvic tilt yeah something like that I mean you know it's very the left side of the body carries the past and right and in the moment she was saying bringing up names or letters of names or this kind of name and at the time I was like no like I really couldn't see it I was like oh she's off like she's not really there she's like this name I was like no one by that name and then yesterday in the shower I truly I was like oh my I realized how completely spot-on she was in a way it's so embarrassing like how could I not have no yeah but anyway that's why they're

38:07Kate Berlant:like save it for later they're like save it for later it might come to you later yeah right right Sometimes I really like when they're really confident, they're like, you know, it's like, they're like grapefruit, Marsha. And I'm not going to say it again.

38:19Jacqueline Novak:You know, like that's it. Well, you know what she said? This is an interesting image because obviously most of this I keep taking in private. But she was like, I see a plate with water running on it. She's like, plate with water. Okay. And I was like, what?

38:33Kate Berlant:And I was like, what's that?

38:35Jacqueline Novak:Plate with water.

38:36Kate Berlant:A plate with water. Like, like, okay. Water running on a plate, I guess. It happens when you're washing. a dish like sink you're rinsing a plate right uh-huh symbolically what is it it's um i don't

38:49Jacqueline Novak:know we didn't spend time on it clearing a place yeah i don't know but she was intense in a way where even i was feeling anxious that night i was like she moved my intestines like because she was so hard you know i was like my belly button's in a different place and i and i felt like i want to She like entered me. It was intense.

39:14Jacqueline Novak:20 minutes ago, I was getting a massage. The masseuse just left my home. Oh my God, wait. Let me take a minute with this. In-home massage? So this is the woman who I've talked about on Pooh before. Over a year ago, she came and gave me lymphatic drainage, lymphatic massage. And she comes in. You're so good at making fucking appointments. I can teach you she and this was this is like once you start down the path with someone of like wellness or anything she was like because I saw her over a year ago and she came in she's like I remember you like your body was so clean because the last time when I saw her because she's like has a very thick accent she's Brazilian there's like a lot of stuff that to be honest I'm just like saying yes to things I don't know what she's saying um oh my god it's so would you bust that out so Jacqueline just busted out the Dennis Gross red light like neck thing which I just found

40:09Kate Berlant:well I was just thinking like because you were talking about how I mean I know how religiously you use the actual full Dennis Gross mask and I've like seen it on your nightstand and that's how you know yeah totally I could tell it was in use yeah and I was like I gotta step it up I picked this thing off i haven't touched this thing in a year yeah there it is held its charge fully

40:29Jacqueline Novak:yeah so cool anyway but she said to me last last time i saw her she was like i'm really surprised at how clean your body is she was like you really have like no blocks out clean yeah like no blocks like the lymph system or whatever like your energetic pathways i don't really even know lymph something yeah but she was like yeah and then this time she was like she's like nothing bad but like you have new blocks and she's like she like she immediately it's unbelievable like like when people are just gifted, like she has my arm there and she just like immediately from starting the massage, she goes, she touches my arm and she goes right up to this one spot on my arm, presses on it, pain.

41:06Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. She's like, yeah, you have a blockage right here. And I'm like, ow. Okay. She's massaging it. She's like, don't worry.

41:12Kate Berlant:Did you say ow and then she said yeah?

41:14Jacqueline Novak:No, no. She was like, I'm not like doubting her. I just want to know the process. No, she touched my arm. She immediately went to one spot like on my arm and was like pressing it. and I was like oh she's like yeah you've got a block there she's like it's okay like it'll you know it'll go away or whatever she's like they're not deep but she's like yeah you've got these new blocks she's like the last eight months she's like this one's eight months old I was like it's so interesting because I was like thinking back and I was like right the last eight months when things I just have been under unusual dress yeah and I was like that's crazy and so but then she's like yeah you gotta ask the angel angels for help I was like don't I fucking know it and she said you need to yeah she was like she was like don't do it alone and then she like grabbed my my like throat in this way and she was like you're not saying something like hurt like my throat she didn't grab my throat she was doing like massaging but she was like some things like you haven't said something as someone or something classic chakra and then she yeah it was cool but then she's like close your eyes she's like touching my stomach she's like what colors do you see and it's that thing where I'm kind of like purple.

42:20Jacqueline Novak:Like I'm just kind of like, yeah. And then she's like, you have to eat pear. I was like, okay. She's like, you need fruit. She's like, you need to be eating a lot more fruit.

42:34Kate Berlant:I was to do resold and I was resold watching this Joe dispense a video about, Oh, Kate, it's just, we have this. Send it on through. I'll send it on through. There's like, there's there's a lot to say with him and i and again i i get overwhelmed i get overwhelmed me one thing all right let me try to think about one thing okay how about this you're ready the brain okay the thoughts are have an electrical charge the heart and feelings have a magnetic charge okay it's literally sending out waves and people have nine foot under nine nine meter energy fields in their heart sink okay so we have to work our hearts in our minds.

43:11Kate Berlant:Okay. And we have to do it via meditation. We have to become pure awareness. I mean, you know, this is prayer. Okay. I fully, I sought God this year. Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. And here, here, I'll give you a better one. I panicked when you said like, give me one thing from just Spencer. Okay. Let me give you this. Okay. No, no, no. Let me give you a better one. Okay. You can't, well, no. Okay. I was going to say, I was going to be like, you can't fight matter with matter. Okay. But it's more like you can't solve a matter problem with matter. Okay. You want to go into the field. You want to go into the non-physical, the non-physical plane.

43:43Kate Berlant:We want to be in the particle. I've lost my mind. I've lost my mind. I'm failing us. There's a good explanation of quantum physics. We want to be more wave than particle. We want to be in the field of possibility, which we can access through the present moment if we're meditating, if we let go and become nobody versus somebody, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

44:01Jacqueline Novak:I just was racing home and I saw a license plate that said, and there was a bumper sticker that said honk if you don't exist no and i was like that's actually the best that's the best bumper i've never coveted a bumper sticker and you attempted to honk but you're attempted to honk did you get did you get a glimpse at least i hadn't even considered it did you get a glimpse yeah it was like this old guy who looked he was like an old hippie guy probably from topanga who came over to the east side but um i was gonna say quickly when you were talking about that just that I had texted you about speed.

44:33Jacqueline Novak:I had heard a woman once tell me about a cord cutter, somebody who cuts cords, which is like what we did in an old episode, but she'll be like, oh yeah. And she was told that an ex-boyfriend's mother had been clinging to her. There was still the cord. Isn't that wild?

44:50Kate Berlant:And you know, the mother doesn't even know. The ex-mother-in-law doesn't even know. Totally. And so the woman was like, may I cut the cord? I love that. They always ask for permission. She was like, may I cut the cord?

45:00Jacqueline Novak:My question is, I would almost fear that if someone was like, oh, here are the cords I have, would I be too scared to cut them lest I return to a crumpled state on the floor? Like imagine I'm a marionette and all the cords are holding me up. Right. Even though some of them are toxic. And then if that cord drops, what do I relinquish?

45:18Kate Berlant:This is a perfect metaphor. Again, this is an absolute perfect metaphor because, yeah, I mean, it's like it's the question of so many of our bad habits. Right. You're like, are these the strings on these are the strings upon which I have danced? yeah right and so will i merely crumble without yeah just into like a static into static flesh they say that with the cords because sometimes like like some of these energy healers that i've watched videos of and stuff like that and they're removing cords would you say younger g healers oh

45:45Jacqueline Novak:energy healers oh my god i said g healers and i was and i okay cut that g healers

45:52Kate Berlant:and they're like they're like don't worry it doesn't harm the person you know whatever right And you send it back. No, but even them, they're worried about the others. OK, they won't know. You know, it's whatever. The cord is more of a negative kind of energy drain. OK, or maybe it's not that. I guess it's it's something like the point is it's not destroying your connection with your mother, for example, to remove the cord or whatever. OK, right, right. So it's like it's very much like you're sending back everyone their energy. It doesn't deplete them. It's in the it's they're siphoning energy generally.

46:27Kate Berlant:OK, the cords, those strings. So what will actually happen is instead of the strings being cut and you falling to the floor, instead, the strings are reabsorbed into your own body as energy. Yeah. And now you're dancing stringless.

46:42Jacqueline Novak:Yeah, exactly. No, I love that. I want to dance stringless in the night.

46:50Kate Berlant:I came across this woman, Deborah King, listening to Hay House Radio in my car. And I remember I remember driving past a supermarket near my parents and liked her style, liked her voice, everything. Started reading her books, got kind of into them, did a couple of healing, energy healing type workshops. And I was rereading one of my favorite books from her, Be Your Own Shaman. I want to take you through what I was reading in the chapter called Psychic Warfare. So have you run into problems caused by another person's negative intent, maybe with a member of your own family? Stereotypes like the mother-in-law hell-bent on disempowering her son's wife are based on the reality of powerful suppressed emotions such as jealousy.

47:36Kate Berlant:OK. Do you have a chronic health problem such as headaches or backaches? Now, we know those are caused by many things. OK, it's pretty dangerous to leap right to, you know, psychic malintent from another. However, she goes, some of your problems may in fact be caused by the negative intent of others. And I call that being under psychic attack. Are you shocked? I'm scared. Psychic attack. Yeah. Psychic attack happens when another person has formed an intention consciously or not to hurt you. And his or her negative energy has entered your own field and body.

48:12Jacqueline Novak:I don't like it. You hate it? You hate it? I don't like it. Because I'm like, so someone out there that for whatever reason hates you is giving you like is making you constipated. It could be.

48:23Kate Berlant:But here's I mean, but it's not like you're powerless. OK, here's because here's the thing. Most people don't even consider that they have an energy field. OK, so that it's like now if you do, you can protect it. You can you know, there's all manner of things you can do. Don't worry. She gives us the tools. OK, so it can be as simple as picking up a little negative energy from someone who's in a bad mood, such as a bank teller or supermarket clerk who's having a bad day or being stalked by a spurned lover and can go all the way up to full-blown demonic possession.

48:56Jacqueline Novak:From bank teller to demon.

49:00Kate Berlant:Yeah. Okay. Now let me skip ahead to sort of the layers. Okay. From lightest to deepest, because this is where I feel you can be empowered. All right. Have you ever been slimed? So getting slimed is by far the most common and low level attack. Okay. And then this is pretty interesting. So she says, if you have a hole in your energy field, it slips right in. This is a fairly ordinary energetic problem. Now here's the solution. Are you ready for it? For low level sliming. So if you think you've been slimed, you probably have. You can remove the negative energy that's in your body and field by adding one pound of sea salt and one pound of baking soda to a bath and soaking for 20 minutes.

49:47Kate Berlant:Yes.

49:48Jacqueline Novak:By the way, a pound? Where am I getting a pound?

49:52Kate Berlant:A single package. I've done it. I've done this. I've read this book years ago. A pound of baking soda is one of those little packages? One of the classic squares that you see, the classic rectangular square of baking soda is a pound so yes that's when i start to get a little bit like 99 cents oh you mean like you think she's

50:09Jacqueline Novak:in league with arm and hammer no no i start to get a little bit like really that's gonna clean it salt and baking soda no totally totally totally like a housewife's remedy for spilled wine on the carpet it's like also no i totally and that's what's hilarious to me okay because it is

50:30Kate Berlant:physical. And so you're like, really? Right. However, I mean, if the physical world is a manifestation of the non-physical world, and you can see it as pure, you know, intentionality at work. Okay. And I've done it. And the intentionality alone of knowing that you're taking a cleansing bath to me. Cool.

50:47Jacqueline Novak:Yeah. Yeah. You know, does it?

50:49Kate Berlant:Yeah. But I enjoy lending to the ritual. And then this is this is big. Other possible solutions are to go for a swim in the ocean. or spend 20 minutes sunbathing, preferably full body. Okay. If you feel fine afterwards, it was slime. If you don't, are you ready? It's more likely a cord. Boom. Next level. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay. No, but this is interesting. This is interesting. I think you'll, I've been meaning to tell you about this for a while. Okay. You ready? The cords that connect us. Okay. So one of the most frequent methods of committing psychic warfare is cording. Cords are streamers of auric light that connect us to one another.

51:32Kate Berlant:And each one matches up to the same chakra in the other person. So something flying from your second chakra to someone else's second chakra, heart to heart. And she's like, as you suspect, there are good cords and there are bad cords. Negative cords indicate a vulnerability within us. If we can be negatively corded, it means we have emotions we haven't processed, memories we haven't brought to closure. Again, that's why I'm always stressing the importance of meditation, journaling, therapy, and personal work. You can never escape it. Hear that? You can never escape the basic personal work. Okay?

52:07Kate Berlant:So, with training, it is possible to learn to send back negative cords. You can also have them removed by a healer like herself. OK, either way, you'll want to learn the following powerful shamanic technique. Recapitulation. I'm really into this. So recapitulation, a shamanic technique. Now, the reason I'm into it is because I want all my energy back. And the reason I got into this at the time was because I was like, OK, if I'm like 50 percent diminished due to depression and it's never going to lift and the meds are never going to help. And that's just going to be I'm just 50 percent down. I want to make sure that the remaining 50 that I technically could have, let's say.

52:42Kate Berlant:Yeah, I've got all of it. I don't want 10 stuck in, you know, lack of forgiveness. You know, like an example, like it was like, it takes energy to like have a grudge against your father every day. That's a couple of units of energy, grudges, whatever. That's why forgiveness comes up so much in healing. God, I read that. I remember once this, this yoga teacher, this Kundalini yoga teacher I had, had us doing this Kriya where it involved like pulling back energy from like other people throughout your life. and it said this thing it was like it was like it was like this you know gendered thing but it was like men after a sexual encounter like stay courted to you know their the partner for three months okay like energetically oh christ and then it was like women stay courted to sexual partners

53:32Jacqueline Novak:for 300 lifetimes oh god isn't that the worst fuck yourself yeah yeah of course right okay Because we're like exclusively receptacles for male semen. Yeah.

53:45Kate Berlant:And like, you can't wash it out. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's like, stained, stained from this life into the next. I mean, that's so rude.

53:55Jacqueline Novak:That one night stand from the saloon. Wasn't as fun as you thought it was, was it, Deborah? Yeah. So.

54:05Kate Berlant:Recapitulation. Okay. It's the act of calling back the energy. we have already spent in past actions. It not only retrieves the energy you have given away in your lifetime, it also clears you of the energetic deposits of others. In short, you return to the moments of your life when you spent the energy, relive them in as much detail as possible as if you were actually there now, and then your energy will be released and restored to you. This allows you to turn the clock back as what ages you the most is your loss of energy. You will be surprised at the amount of energy and clarity regain by completing this process, even if you only do it partially.

54:41Kate Berlant:Love it. Do you want to know how? Yes.

54:44Jacqueline Novak:Now baking soda, honey, I'll take it.

54:47Kate Berlant:So this, this version of recapitulation is called the sweeping breath. Basically, while you're recalling a person in your mind, you breathe in and move your head from right to left. So hang on. So breathe in and you think about the person. Breathe in. Okay. Hold on. Okay. I'm going to really do it. Recalling the person. all right so it's this head head moving the head from right to left picking up any energy you spent in the relationship and then as you breathe out your head moves left to right and ejects the remaining fragments of this individual's energy from your field wait do it for me first okay hold on you breathe in the memory and then you blow out the you pick up the energy you spent in the relationship so get your energy back okay like like take take what's yours and then and then And out, your head moves from left to right and ejects the remaining fragments of their energy.

55:43Kate Berlant:So that's yours. Out. Give them what's theirs. Okay. Ow, it hurt my neck. Okay, you got to work from the core. All right. Are you ready? Okay. Okay. There's more. There's more. Okay. Hold on. Yeah. All right. All right. Get in position. This is classic. I love it when she says, are you ready? Invocation. One. sit in a chair with your knees apart to maintain a good connection with the ground through your first chakra okay preferably make contact with the floor barefoot as there are important chakras in the soles of your feet socks are coming off folks our listeners take off your socks okay okay and feel the ground in the sky socks off everyone yeah invoke out loud or silently so we you know listeners and you guys can do this um silently invoke any invoke your higher self okay any spiritual masters guides angels or other beings whom you resonate with and would like to

56:47Jacqueline Novak:have help you okay i have no one it's so sad i'm like just imagining i know but i'm like who

56:54Kate Berlant:well i mean you used to do the rosary so where's mother mary no you did the rosary do it for me okay go for mary magdalene then no more all right i'll get you out of that all right all right how about um egyptian goddess isis i don't know what she looks like what can i just do like fran lebowitz or something absolutely okay okay okay absolutely all right um so let me let me let me do it everyone do it okay hold on and you can also do ones that you don't know are there like like whoever my guides are yeah guys i have them that i don't know come here to the front okay so we invoke them and your own higher self okay yeah to choose a person to recapitulate select anyone in your life with whom you've ever interacted mother father partner child boss ex friend friend alive or dead good to know do not pick a person with whom you've had any interactions in which you were frightened for your safety as that requires another more advanced form of this practice that she teaches in her, you know, in her programs, see appendix, that sort of thing.

58:00Kate Berlant:But feel free to choose someone with whom you've had plenty of upsetting experiences. Okay. Okay. Close your eyes and mentally place the person you have chosen to recapitulate directly in front of you. Okay. Take a few minutes to let this individual come into your awareness as clearly as possible. Begin the sweeping breath. Breathe in through your mouth as you turn your head from center to the left. Suck it in. Yeah. And then exhale out your mouth as you turn your head past the center and over the right.

58:40Kate Berlant:After the first breath or two, switch to breathing through your nose nose both ways okay it's mouth mouth mouth mouth mouth mouth and then after you're into that then you go to nose yeah okay the perfume cloud that's surrounding me is making this really maintain the image of the person you chose to recapitulate to keep going I'm dizzy. Okay. About 10 to 15 minutes per person. Damn. Is the right length of time. When you're new to this, it's not unusual to have to repeat the technique for the key people in your life in order to totally complete the energy exchange. Okay. So this is some stuff you got to do later for a good 15.

59:26Kate Berlant:But this is, you know, I think the teaching, right? All right. Yeah.

59:32Jacqueline Novak:wait wait wait wait wait watch me is this it

59:40Kate Berlant:no no okay okay okay close your mouth and hold it closed tight

59:48Kate Berlant:cover it if you must to learn you know like a child jumping into a pool holding their okay i Okay. Now you suspend the breath and you, for those listening, I just demonstrated the silent sweeping. Suspend the breath means, you know, stop it. Yeah. Sorry. I'm just used to the terms.

1:00:10Jacqueline Novak:Three of them.

1:00:11Kate Berlant:Yeah. Left, right, left, right, left, right. And then come still in the center. So I think that's pretty huge.

1:00:19Jacqueline Novak:The end of it is just the stillness.

1:00:22Kate Berlant:Yeah, but that's just a way to close it. So instead of this sloppy process of going like, where you're like using the breath to eject and pull back your energy, right? And eject their filaments instead of just like sliding back into breathing regularly. You need something to like seal the practice.

1:00:38Jacqueline Novak:Got it. That was Poo. If you enjoyed Poo, please subscribe, rate and review. If not, we will press charges.

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