Hollywood's Best Kept Secret Behind the Most Natural Faces: Holistic Plastic Surgeon Dr. Few

25:07Removing the skin is not the answer. The other thing that is often missed, like you have beautiful brow arch. If the brows are heavy, doing an upper blepharoplasty is the wrong thing to do as a standalone. And ultimately, the biggest thing I learned in fellowship, which has aged really well, is the concept that you have to stabilize the brow first before you think about doing anything to the eyelid. If the brow is naturally sitting in a nice arch and it's not hooded, it's not going into the eyelid area, then you can evaluate for excess. Again, though, the most important thing for upper blepharoplasty is not scooping out everything because then that does not age well.

25:52That actually will look potentially haggard as somebody ages down the line. And so that's a huge part of this is you have to, and again, this would be a question to your surgeon, is should I feel that my brows are an issue here? And that needs to be part of the discussion. An experienced ophthalmic plastic surgeon, you know, such as myself, is it's centered on the idea that you have to look at the composite. There's so much interconnectivity between the upper eyelid and lower eyelid and the forehead, and these all are moving parts together. And again, the idea of harmony in terms of these structures is critical, but an upper blepharoplasty is an easy operation to do.

26:38I mean, on surface, meaning you don't have to necessarily be an eye specialist to do an upper blepharoplasty if you're a trained plastic surgeon. The problem is if you are not nuanced, and you're right, there's this big trend of very young women having this done. And again, it's part of the backlash of fillers and Botox. Potentially that plays poorly because a lot of these individuals will find themselves saying, I don't like the wrinkling after, like down the road. And the wrinkling is going to come because in essence, they haven't either addressed the brow or the real issue they were after was the wrinkling around the eye, which could have been managed with things like Botox or managed with other techniques short of surgery.

27:28I think that's kind of how I frame it. And even though I'm a specialist, I've written books about eyelid surgery. I've invented a couple of operations for the eye area. To me, I always look in the back of my head, can I make this person get by with Botox first? That's always what I think. Can I make Botox work first? And if there's a question, I strongly encourage them to try it, to see if they like it. Because there's nothing worse in my mind, and I've seen lots of patients who have had eyelid surgery in all different kinds of places. I've been referred to by other plastic surgeons. And the truth is, had they done a thoughtful assessment, they would have realized that patient would have been more happy with Botox than they would be with surgery.

28:14Danielle:I know that you are a proponent of non-invasive procedures, but I didn't realize that you had invented some eyelid surgeries. That's pretty remarkable. So when I first started out in practice at Northwestern, this was back in 99, 2000, fresh off of my training. And that training was in depth. It was reconstruction around the eye. It was doing things for cancer. I mean, it was in depth as well as cosmetic. At that time, a huge fad surgically was a mid-face lift. The mid-face lift was done by making an incision in the under eye and then lifting up the cheek from the under eye. The problem was the dynamics of the interplay between the lower eyelid and the cheek.

29:00The lower eyelid was not strong enough. So what was happening is there were all kinds of people all over the country that were coming in like this.

29:11Danielle:For everyone listening, the eye is dragged down. It's dragged down. The lower eyelid literally is pulled away from the eyeball itself. And that is called an ectropion. It is any surgeon's worst nightmare. It's any patient's worst nightmare. And so there were hundreds of these people walking around looking like they were accident victims. And so the problem with it is that approach going from the outside, you couldn't fix it. There was no fix. Like I would see people who had 10 operations to try to fix this. Can you imagine you spent your savings to do a surgery that then you become a reconstructive patient?

29:56So what happened at the time, there was only one other person on staff and the entire staff at Northwestern that did oculoplastic surgery. And he had no idea how to manage this. So he was rejecting all of them. He said, I have no answer. You know, there's nothing to do. And so what happened was I developed a technique, which now is a technique used both for this, but also cosmetic, because it's much lower risk, is actually to do the mid-face lift through the inside. So there's a way to go through the inside of the eyelid and then to release those ligaments. And then it's much safer. I won't bore you with the technical detail.

30:38But it is, again, when my colleagues read about this, because I've published it in textbooks and medical journals, everybody looked at it as, of course, that's obvious. Because it is. It's like an obvious way to go. It is less traumatic. You have less swelling. There's less risk. And it's incredibly versatile. The only issue is it's a learning curve. But I saved probably 100 people who had this condition that otherwise would have had nowhere to go. And so we published our data and this became a workhorse technique, but now it's been modified over the years to be a workhorse for cosmetic reasons.

31:18And it's a much safer way to go. You're not going to change the shape of the eye, which is the second worst thing you can do. And so it's really, again, it goes back to my core tenet of you want to look like yourself still.

31:30Danielle:I want to ask you about some procedures and then I want to talk about your skincare line. And it has very beautiful packaging, by the way. I'm a big packaging girl. It's really well done. And it's heavy. It feels good in your hand. It has some stock to it, for sure. Okay, so what is the most requested procedure in your office right now? Well, I'm known for kind of a couple of things. Eyes are certainly one of them. A specific form of thread lifting I developed, which has become kind of the standard approach, certainly in North America. And then facelifting. I'm known for the more understated facelift that still looks really damn good.

32:09And those are the three things that I get the most requests for. It's funny, though, lately what has happened, and it just shows how long I've been doing this. I have patients from my early career that were breast patients who either their kids or relatives, they're referring to me because they've said basically, you're the only person I would let my child have breast surgery on. Like on Monday, I have a couple of patients who kind of fall into that category. You know, I've done tens of thousands of breast surgeries, so I'm not a stranger to it. But, you know, I'm very particular about the nature of the surgery.

32:47At this stage, I don't want to do any surgery or any treatment where I don't feel like I can be 100 % capable.

32:54Danielle:What do you think about the technology of implants nowadays? I had a friend in L.A. do a fat transfer into her breast instead. and the implants seem difficult because you have to change them out every 10 or 15 years, right? So that is one of the common myths. You don't have to necessarily change the implants out. They don't have a set expiration as long as they're functioning the way they're supposed to. And it's pretty easy to follow them with an ultrasound. I think where implants get a bad rap, it's similar. You're going to hear this theme. They get a bad rap when in particular, women try to go much bigger than their body can tolerate.

33:33You're going to get all kinds of weird risk and complications that are, in my opinion, totally unnecessary. And fortunately, again, we're seeing this trend of going to, they call it the yoga breast, I guess, or you hear all these terms, but it's like this more petite breast. So for me, it's this whole idea that, you know, know, you want it to match the body. But in general, implants are incredibly safe when they're done in a thoughtful way. Fat transfer is another incredibly good tool if you have it. But in this world of GLP-1s, that's increasingly difficult. And by the way, if somebody is on a GLP-1 and they do a fat transfer, they're going to lose a lot of that benefit.

34:17So the fat transfer is a trickier widget to count on long term in this kind of post-GLP-1 world.

34:25Danielle:What's a procedure that doctors hate doing? I don't want to get in trouble, but I'm going to tell you it's liposuction. Most plastic surgeons do not like doing liposuction, especially big volume. It is a ton of manual labor. It's really hard on your body. I have colleagues who've had to have their shoulders replaced. It's no joke. It is the most physically disruptive thing that you can do to yourself. It's just an unnatural torque of the shoulder. And so I really do very little liposuction though. It's not something I run to. Thanks for being honest. I appreciate that. I don't want to get any hate mail from my colleagues for saying, wait a minute, you're giving lipo a bad rap because liposuction still statistically is the most common plastic surgery procedure.

35:12Danielle:What is a trend or an aesthetic procedure that you think is aging people faster? Honestly, I think the biggest one is overfilling. Overfilling the face is guaranteed. And there are some people, I'm not going to say who in popular culture that have been accused of looking older than they are. It's like the pillow face, right? It's the pillow face. This is the quickest way. And I've got a lot of research to explain why, but it is the quickest way to make somebody look older. Can you reverse bad filler? Are you stuck with it? So that's where the challenge is. You can reverse it, but then they look even older still.

35:49I had a series of patients I just recently did where I had to melt their filler and then I did face lips on them. Everything literally sagged as a result. And they were people who I think had they done something a bit more conservative, they would not have been in the same predicament.

36:09Danielle:Before we come back from break, a core pillar of this podcast is the belief that we rise together. You all support my dreams and I am here to support your dreams. And that's why I hop on a Zoom with a listener or sometimes two or three just to connect every week. We swap stories, we chat, and I see how I can support you. And a few weeks ago, I met Andrea. She's a career transition coach who helps high-achieving women reimagine their careers in a way that feels good and still pays the bills well. And the reason I wanted to share Andrea's work with you is so many of you DM me saying, I feel stuck or I can't figure out what I really want to do.

36:49And I'm

36:51Danielle:happy to hop on a Zoom. But a lot of times what I think could be more helpful is an executive coach, a career transition coach. And I was so impressed with Andrea. I felt like if any of those questions that I feel stuck or I can't figure out what I want to do resonates with you, email Andrea. I put her information in the show notes, but here's a little bit from her. Do you find yourself questioning everything lately? Who am I? What am I doing? What's next? If so, you're not alone. Hi there. I'm Andrea and I've lived in that space between where everything looks fine on the outside, but nothing feels quite right on the inside.

37:31And clarity didn't come from having the perfect plan. It came when I stopped asking myself questions rooted in fear. Questions like, what if I fail? What if I have to start over? And instead, started asking questions that were beating in my heart. That's when everything changed. Because the questions that we ask ourselves don't just describe our reality, they have the power to shape it. And as a career transition coach, I help ambitious women stuck in the messy middle learn to ask themselves better questions. The kind that reconnect them to who they are and what they actually want, allowing them to move forward with alignment, self-trust, and clear next steps in life and career.

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38:19Danielle:filled with powerful questions to help you reset, reconnect, and rise.

38:27Danielle:At the beginning of our conversation, you made a really great and funny comment about how you've done some work on celebrities that pretend like they haven't had anything done, but obviously, you know that they've had something done. I'm curious what your take is on celebrities not admitting having work done. I could write a book about my experiences, whether it is going to their homes or finding very nondescript ways to meet or doing things in certain ways where their confidentiality can be assured. I think the problem is, and it's worse now than ever, social media is brutal. It's ruthless. A lot of the folks that I've had the pleasure of taking care of are some of the nicest, most genuine people you could hope to meet.

39:16And they are ravaged. Their kids are ravaged. People say the cruelest things. And so if you're that person, And the last thing you want to do is say, well, yeah, I had plastic surgery or admit to having plastic surgery because still then they're going to be ruthless on that. And so I just feel like everybody deserves privacy. And just because you make a living being a public persona, you're doing a job. Your job is acting or musician. And that doesn't give anybody the right to pick into your private life unless you want to give it up. But I think that's the challenge. And I'm fully on the side of the actor or musician that is famous because they deserve their privacy.

39:59And that's why you will never hear me theorize about who did what or whatever. Because the truth is either I may have done it or I want to not even make a theory as to why they did it. It's not my place. And I think it's the most rude, lowbrow thing somebody can do in my profession. And the thing that gets me, you got me on a roll, is there's some people that I've taken care of where I flip through social media. I don't follow these people, but I'll flip through. And often it's somebody in another country that is theorizing about one of our well-known American actors. And they'll proceed to list all the things.

40:39And I'm watching this and I'm thinking, I know exactly what they did. And you are full of shit. You're so wrong. It's like a game I play. I look on my phone. I look at Instagram. I'll watch. They'll list a thing and I'll say, wrong. They'll list another thing. Wrong. It's one of these things where people deserve their dignity and privacy. And I think maybe if society as a whole were a little kinder to the celebrity, maybe they'd be willing to give it up. There are celebrities who are open about some of the things they do, but that's an unusual constitution to be that way.

41:17Danielle:So one of the reasons that I don't feel like we are owed the information is because I find it still very sexist because we don't really ask men about what procedures they've had done. And once a woman comes out and says they've had something done, it's everywhere. It's in every magazine. We all know we think about the surgery before we think about their project or them. And so I agree with you. I don't think we're owed anything. But I particularly don't like the gendered practice. of even asking. Pun intended, it's two-faced. And I agree with you. The gender bias of how you have to keep up as a woman compared to a man, it is unfair.

41:58And that's part of this thing. But again, it's interesting. I am starting to see that trend shift a little bit more towards men now. Like where you as a man, because of the technology, if you're an actor, you can't exactly cruise like you could have. And that's an interesting reality. We're seeing some of that for sure.

42:18Danielle:Well, I've heard this thing. I don't know if this is just a thing you hear in Hollywood that there's the leading man jawline that people have had for years that they would get an implant and would redo their jaw, the A-list actors, but men just wouldn't talk about it. So maybe now people are talking about it a little more. Also, I love that your silent smile right now. I have no comment. I will make no comment. How much of how we age is genetics versus how much we can actually influence? I think genetics are everything. One of the big deciders that I use to help answer the question of should somebody do something now versus later, as I say, look at your mom or your aunt or your grandmother and how they played out.

43:05It is especially true for the eye area and the neck. If I have somebody who comes in, they have a slightly fuller neck, but it's not bad. But looking at their mother or grandmother, they have like this really heavy, like double or triple neck. I've said this, I've said literally, you know what, let's remove the fat there because it's not going to age well. And that's a preemptive strike. And that is doing something in their best interest. It's one area where I will do liposuction and feel good about it. I actually developed and invented this technique called a chin tuck, which involves doing a form of a limited neck lift.

43:42It involves repositioning the skin under the neck as well as the deeper structures. It's a modification of what's called a submental neck lift. This is something much more limited, but the results are significant. It's something I'm getting ready to write up in our medical journal, but basically it's one of those limited access techniques that actually delivers huge results in a discrete fast recovery way. Also, I think it is a technique that I love to use in that person who is genetically predisposed to a double chin.

44:19Danielle:Are there any advancements in technology or procedures that haven't hit mass market yet that you're excited about? Well, that kind of dovetails into my skincare. I think the biggest thing that we're seeing, which is only going to increase is GLP-1 use. And GLP-1 use is everywhere for all kinds of indications from diabetes, heart disease, to addictive personality issues, to inflammatory conditions in the body. I just heard somebody talking about using low dose or micro dose for hypertension, the list goes on. And so as of middle of last year, it was estimated one in eight Americans are on a GLP-1.

45:06That number is exploding for all these reasons, off-label use and so on. Plus we expect to have a pill and or an inhalational version of it coming out soon, probably by the end of this year. So the reality is I started researching this effect over the last two years because I noted the dramatic change to the skin itself that seemed to be independent of weight loss. And this research over the last couple of years, and I have a lot of experience in kind of scarring, wound healing, and immunology, I use that experience to come up with a likely mechanism for why the skin is significantly directly impacted by GLP-1s.

45:51And we just finished to study that is in the process of being submitted for publication. But the net effect is that there is a dramatic effect on the skin itself. I've come up with this term that I call GLP face and GLP skin. And it's not meant to make fun of the issue, but rather to describe what everybody's seeing. There are men and women that are taking, you know, low dose with a 10 pound weight loss or less, but their skin looks awful. And there's a reason for it. The GLP-1, which is an amazing anti-inflammatory agent, much like steroids are for certain conditions, but it impairs the skin's natural protective power on a number of levels.

46:40We've specifically mapped out specific cytokines, which are basically the communicators between the cells and the skin that are affected by this and really have developed an explanation for why the skin is much more sensitive to the sun on a GLP-1, why the skin is much more likely to look dull and sagging on a GLP-1, even with minimal weight loss. And so this is the reason why I actually developed a product that is designed to reverse some of this. and we just finished our clinicals. And when I say you're going to be blown away by this, that is an understatement. And I do believe based on what we saw in our study, it's a six week, it was a placebo controlled, meaning one side of the face had placebo that looked and felt like the active product.

47:34The results were staggering in terms of the subjects, their reported benefit, They all chose the active side. Everybody was blinded to which side was which. And everybody chose, and it was obvious, the dramatic benefit of the active product. So I've been excited about a lot of things professionally. I am beyond excited about this product coming out. And I think it's going to revolutionize the way we look at this issue. Like you would look at some of these pictures and you would say, this person, the only way this happened is they had a laser.

48:09Danielle:So usually skincare clinicals have, like I see a before and after and it's better, but it is sort of like a limited difference. This has a more dramatic before and after? It is beyond dramatic. What do you use on your face? So I'll tell you my routine. I was plagued by acne. I mean, as a kid. You have no scars. It's a miracle. I had a very strict mom that would not let me pick. but in any case, that was a struggle. And it was a struggle to find skincare. And most of my adolescent life, I spent stripping my skin and over drying it and then dealing with hyperpigmentation. And it was like around and around.

48:51So my products are engineered to be really seen as nutrition for the skin. If I oversimplify it, that's really the way somebody should look at my products. We have engineered them down to the cellular level to be seen as clean food for your skin. So it allows the skin to do what it knows how to do best. I think it's ultimate arrogance to think that we as a human being can figure out a way to do better than what centuries of generations have done to engineer the skin's resiliency. So that's the concept. And so really my skin, what I love using, I actually developed an eye rejuvenating serum with SPF because it's really hard to get sunscreen around the eye.

49:42I mean, I have some pigment in my under eyes, but it is much better since I've started using this product. It also helps with puffiness. It helps with fine lines and wrinkles. So that's one that I use in the morning. I use our tinted mineral sunscreen, especially on my bald head. Number one, it makes it not so shiny, but also doesn't cast a ghost. You can see it's not like ghost or powdery. It's good for all skin tones. You can have the fairest skin or the darkest skin does not matter. The micronized kind of physical sunblock works the way that it needs to. There's no artificial chemicals. So you don't have to worry about chemicals that are, you know, harming the skin are causing other problems, which have been talked about.

50:26And then my favorite product, which is our cheapest product and probably the most underrated or least talked about is our gentle exfoliating cleanser. This has been my savior in preventing breakouts because prior to me coming up with this, I still would occasionally break out. And so I use that as my wash. Then I We have a sheer moisturizer because my skin favors being oily. And it sounds like a lot, but it's honestly, it's five minutes in the morning at night. I'll use our Supreme Oil Serum for my bearded area. And that's it. As I'm closer to 60 than 50, I'm not just somebody who talks about it.

51:08I actually follow it. I live it.

51:11Danielle:Okay. I know I only have a few minutes left with you. So I'm going to do a little rapid fire if you're okay with that. I'm ready. Let's do it.

51:21Danielle:okay what do you wish more people did to take care of their face before ever seeing a surgeon i mean honestly i think it is prevention of sun exposure over beating the skin with sun and then expecting to have an easy solution the second would be just good skin care do you think skin care really matters i do i'm living proof of it you know you do a little bit of skin care it'll carry you in the most dramatic way just morning and night not going overboard if you get to the point where you're spending more than seven minutes on skincare, you've gone too far. I'd say five to seven minutes. I know you're super busy.

51:58I'm crazy busy as well, but I can get five minutes of self-care.

52:03Danielle:Okay. Lasers. Like if someone walks into your office and wants sort of like a fresh face cleanup, what's the laser? I love, love Cytan is the name of the company. They have the best lasers. They're all made in the U.S. They're actually based up north in Northern California. Two brilliant founders. They engineer everything. They have figured things out. So broadband lighter BBL. BBL Heroes, their new product. It's a game changer. Halo laser. You can use it in my skin. You can use it in your skin. An amazing tool with fast recovery. you're talking to somebody who grew up on CO2 laser. People think, oh, that's like such a great treatment.

52:51It's like hitting its fad moment. Now that thing is a blowtorch. You can do so much damage. Again, what's old is new. It's like the buckle fat pad with CO2. You're going to change the nature of the skin if you're not careful. I mean, listen, they're very experienced derms and plastic surgeons that know how to do CO2. But man, that's like driving a car that doesn't have anti-lock brakes. The steering is no good and the tires are bald. And basically in the winter, it's a scary technology. So I think their platform, Moxie, is also one that is amazing. Man, they have come out with hit after hit and you can dial it in or out.

53:34Danielle:That's really nice to hear. I did a really intense laser a few years ago. I forgot what it was called. And I really regret it. First of all, I was in so much pain. I was red for days, but I did it to get rid of some spots on my cheek and they came back like a month later. This is the thing. Like if you look at BBL, there's no real downtime. How often do you do them? So BBL typically, if, and again, this is the caveat, be good with sun protection. It doesn't mean you have to hide from the sun, but be good with using sun protection. Ultimately it can last for two, three years. If somebody is out in the sun and they're maybe not so diligent or religious about sun protection, then you're probably doing it every year.

54:18Danielle:Are there any treatments that actually prevent aging or are we all just chasing collagen dreams over here? No, I think the biggest treatment, and again, where I don't think it gets enough credit is Botox, XMN, Dysport are the number one ways I do it myself. Like I tend to favor a crease here. It would be 10 times deeper if I didn't do Botox to the muscles down here. My analogy is it's like a folding piece of paper. If you're softening or weakening the way that paper folds, the crease is not as deep and you're going to age better for it. I mean, you can see lots of, again, actors, if you're looking at like the forehead, for example, that will give away age.

55:04But also you have to be thoughtful about not over Botoxing. So like I can raise my brow, I can still frown, but it's doing it softer. The goal being you still can move, but you're helping aging.

55:19Danielle:I was just going to say, I really like that you still have movement and signs of your age in your face, but you look so refreshed. You don't have Botox face. If I have Botox face, when you meet me in person, there's something that's gone really wrong. But a lot of people, like you said, in your industry, I went to a dermatologist and his skin looks like glass and his hair was so perfectly quapped. That actually is a secret for, and this is probably an important cautionary tale. If you're going to a dermatologist or plastic surgeon and they don't look the way in terms of the way you would want to look philosophically, you probably don't want them to be the one doing your treatment.

56:01If they look way overdone and that's not in line, unless they're going to tell you, yeah, I'm overdone and man, I got carried away with that filler. I wish I didn't do it. Then you need to really think about it.

56:15Danielle:What's a sign of aging that you admire? I have seen some of the most extraordinarily beautiful women who have salt and pepper hair. I think it's one of the most interesting subtleties that you can see. There are women who I think look better in that light than they did when they had their natural dark pigment in their hair, that is. I also think another thing that actually looks really interesting with age in particular, we can say for women, is when there is just a little bit of loss of volume in the cheek area, a subtle amount. I think that can be really sexy. And it shows that they may be in an older age bracket, but at the same time, they still look good.

57:02The one last thing is not erasing all wrinkles. I think that's the last thing I would say.

57:09Danielle:Thank you for sharing those. I was thinking, as you said, the cheek thing, I was thinking of Demi Moore because she has that and she's still so beautiful and sexy. Okay. Your future face. What's one procedure I'm going to go through the generations or through the decades, I should say one procedure you can think about in your twenties, if you're going to do anything? In your 20s, it's Botox. How about your 30s? 30s, it's going to be laser consideration and strategic Botox still possible super conservative filler. 40s. 40s, you're going to be looking at the things to non-surgically lift, thread lifting, energy-based technologies like Softwave or Althera just came out with Althera Prime, You know, there are a variety of radiofrequency devices that non-surgically lift.

58:01Goal being easier to treat something early than waiting for a tall breakdown. 50s. 50s, you get into the striking zone of thinking about surgery.

58:11Danielle:Are 50s or are 60s the facelift years? 50s and 60s are ripe facelift territory because the techniques are much easier for recovery and downtime, but also you get this incredible ability to look really good in a way that trying to overdo with fillers will not. People are so afraid of surgery to the point where they're willing to overdo a non-surgical treatment that's worse. And then 70s and 80s, does that get to a point where it's a little bit scarier to go under or no? No, I just had a series of patients in their 70s, late 70s included, that have done little strategic nip and tucks. Again, goal not being to completely erase, but just to nudge.

59:03And that's typically an easier procedure to get through. It has lesser downtime, and it can be a really nice adjunct. Plus, if somebody's in their 70s, they scar beautifully. Like they won't scar. You don't have to worry about a scar. If somebody's 70, you have to really be out of bounds to cause a scar.

59:23Danielle:Why is that? This is part of the way the keratinocytes and the cells in the dermis actually behave. They're not as robust in their activity. So that's good news, bad news. Bad news is you're going to be more likely to see wrinkled skin. Good news is you're going to scar much better. What's a book that you've read that you think everybody should read? I think everybody should read essentialism. And what's one thing that everybody should try one time? Sushi. Dr. Few, I respect you so much. I really like you. You're so fun to talk to. Thank you for sharing so much of your time with me. It is an absolute pleasure, Danielle.

1:00:04And I feel the same, especially having been out in LA as long as you have, you've kept your feet on the ground. So it's been a lot of fun to get to know you.

1:00:12Danielle:That's really kind. I'm still a Chicago girl at heart. I love it. That's a gift.

1:00:20Danielle:Okay. You know what time it is. Today's a good day to have a good day. I'll see you next week.

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1:01:49Danielle:It was like a bomb had just been dropped in my life. I reached out to Rasmussen. They immediately were like, Rosa, take what time you need. You can come back when you're ready. We are cancer-free today, and I'm just so grateful for Rasmussen, for all of their support throughout my journey, and for my own village. Rasmussen University. Find your seat and start now at rasmussen.edu. 250 years ago, America made a promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Since 1903, Harley-Davidson has been living it, out on the open road, at the next exit ramp, with old friends, new ones, and the next generation of riders.

1:02:32Danielle:Because the best part of any promise is keeping it. Harley-Davidson Motorcycles. Ride.

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