How to Rebrand Yourself: with Celebrity Stylist J. Bolin

25:39You know me, I've always got a lot going on. I'm moving, I'm working, I'm traveling, I'm juggling and somehow trying to make it all look effortless, right? Well, that means one thing. If I'm wearing it, it has to be comfortable. It has to be breathable and easy. I lean into natural fabrics. That's why I keep reaching for cotton. It's soft and cozy and somehow always feels right. My favorite designers love working with it, so looking polished without sacrificing comfort is pretty much built into the deal. Athleisure, cotton. Loungewear, cotton. And is there anything more versatile than a great cotton t-shirt?

26:11The answer is no, there just isn't. Cotton keeps you cool when you're on the go, cozy when you're winding down, and comfortable through everything in between. It makes it easy to feel like the best version of yourself and confidence is always the best thing you can wear. Plus, it's nice knowing you're choosing a fabric that's naturally microplastic-free. Honestly, you can live in cotton. I practically do. I mean, there's a reason they call it the fabric of our lives. I'm Melissa Jeltson, host of the What Happened to Her podcast. We're kicking off the season with the Sandra Birchmore story, a case the police wrote off as a suicide in a snowstorm.

26:48Her family never bought it, and the man they suspected wore a badge. You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform. And you can get access to all episodes 100 % ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription exclusively on Apple Podcasts, available only to iHeart True Crime Plus subscribers. So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. Oh my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart.

27:28And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get anywhere fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, Good Taste is my business, and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're going to talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are.

28:06Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care.

28:25J. Bolin:I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week, I bring on incredible guests like Conan O 'Brien, Iowa Debris, Lamorne Morris, and Nicole Byer. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe against scammers. Call your grandparents. Tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please.

29:04J. Bolin:And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy, and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Scam Goddess! Hi, this is Kylie Brakeman. Angela Jaritana. Jeremy Culhane. Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists podcast. The Improvised Character Comedy Podcast, where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft.

29:39Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal. I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying to. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audra McDonald at the Wonderland Bookstore on 14th. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore. yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark Thirty. No way. We'll have to come to the last bookstore, though.

30:15Kim Cattrall is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

30:49I give you so much credit to be rejected in so many different ways for so long. For so long, yeah. And then to have the guts to just figure out your own path is really remarkable. And rejection still taps you on the shoulder every now and then say, don't forget about me. Yeah. I'm still here. but now I understand that I've reframed what rejection feels like now. People say, oh, it's God's protection. That's a true thing. I do feel like what's for you is for you. Yeah. Every man that's ever rejected me was a protection. Come on. It was protection for you. So you recently opened up about the fact that while you were helping other people feel powerful in their clothes, you were using clothes to camouflage parts of yourself.

31:35I think I just heard a little bit of that. But when did you realize that your style had become a form of protection? To be honest with you, it was a lot. It was armor for me and it was protection and it was a costume. It was all the things for me. And I realized that because my business, so the pandemic, my business went skyrocket and went through the roof. Like a lot of people's business, right? Everybody's business started to either skyrocket or some. But I wouldn't expect that because no one was wearing clothes. I don't know what the heck was going on. I don't know where these ladies were going at all.

32:10But one day I got on Instagram and I started to show clothes and I was like, Hey, I got this shirt and it's$35.99 and it's$75. You should get it today. And I started to hear my Shopify account said, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And it started to go off. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So it went from having orders from maybe 50 orders to 100 orders to like 500 orders to like 1 ,000 orders every single five days. Yes. Crazy. So you're actually making money with this for real. I was making good money. I was making good money. I paid off my vehicles. I was doing all kinds of – Yeah, I paid for my teens, bills, got the furniture in their home.

32:53Like whatever I could possibly do, I did it at that particular time. We was balling, okay? We were balling. Instead of J. Bowling, it should have been J. Bowling, okay? Like, we had a good time. So business skyrocketed. And then, girl, after the pandemic went down, I started to notice a trend of, like, people backing away. And I was like, well, maybe I'm, you know, the insecurity that started to come on me and started saying, well, maybe you're getting boring. Maybe, you know, maybe you're aging. Maybe there are new fresh people coming up that people don't want to see you anymore. Maybe you're the boutique that everybody loved at one time and then moving on to something else.

33:28You know what I mean? And that's exactly where my brain went. And I started to back away while sales were going down at the same time. And then I really hit a really, really big, I mean, a big bump. And that big bump set me back for some time. I went two years. And I haven't talked about this anywhere at all. And I ended up losing everything. What? I ended up losing everything. And this is a part of that costuming that I was talking about. so nobody knew that I was losing anything because I was still I still had clients I still had style clients wow but the retail side had gone want want want and I had I felt like a failure because I had so many um vendors so many so many uh boutiques and so many younger people and older people that will look into the business and the brand and say can we get five minutes of your time just to learn from you and here I am feeling like the business is going completely under and some of it was me and my ignorance and not knowing certain things in business.

34:30Some of it was having the wrong people around me and not really realizing it because, again, I was balling out. I wanted to make sure everybody was good. And my parents always told me to be careful with that, and I never really realized it. And I realized it at the wrong stage, and it was after everything was gone, those people left. I didn't have to kick them out. They left when I didn't have anything. Wow, and you had paid for their furniture out of the goodness of your heart. I paid bills not even just for furniture I paid bills I took people on vacations across the world like we did all kinds of like if you need a massage I'll send you to the best spa in the city just to make sure that you're good mentally and not really realizing that you know they weren't really for you yeah I mean people can be for you when times are up but what happens and who's gonna stick with you when times are down you know there's a moment where I'm in a Bentley and everybody's rolling and there's a moment where I'm on a greyhound and nobody wants to join me there.

35:30And so when business went down, I took that big hit and I started to lose everything. I lost my home. I had shown the home to the world. I showed the house to the entire world and for it to only be ripped away. And I was like, okay, God, when do you, like, people are looking to see this house forever. People are looking to see my car. My car got taken away. My office, I had to shut my complete office down in front of the world. These are, this is the office that ladies will line up in front of that students would fly from across the world to come in to learn from me. And I'm like, God, there's no way that you would want me to lead while learning right now.

36:06And God said, yes, that's exactly what I want you to do. I want you to lead and learn. You can still be going through and still be leading people at the same time. I think that requires both and serving. So my servancy was to be able to tell people the truth. like this moment right now is me telling the truth and I swore to God I was like I'm never telling a soul that's going to come out the rut and I'm going to keep kicking butt because I was in costume for so long so nobody really knew yeah that any of this even happened but I do feel like it's my due diligence to heal the next person that could be in that season right now yeah and you know so many people are that aren't talking about it yeah every time I talk about something low, sad, vulnerable, I'm amazed at how many people come out and say like, oh my God, a same.

36:54Yeah. It's wild. I mean, and I think once you open that door for people, sometimes you become a safe place. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't say it to be braggadocious in any kind of way that I see the light now. Yeah. I feel like God's allowed me to see the light more now. I'm smarter. I'm wiser now with how I make moves with money. I'm smarter about the kind of company I keep. I'm wiser about how I treat people. What's the money move you learned? Oh, my God. Save it. That's the biggest one you can. So how did you build it all back up? Building it back up, honestly, brick by brick and being led versus me leading God.

37:34Normally, I will go and I will start something and then I'll invite God. And so now, as I'm getting a vision, as I'm getting a dream, and as something comes into my brain, the first thing I consult now is I really go to God to be honest with you I go to God and listen you gave me this vision I want to make sure this from you and I want to make sure that I'm doing this the exact right way so I'll consult that I'll consult my what's the prayer that you say you know what it's really hood I don't even know if it's really uh call a prayer sometimes I think it's just conversation with God for me I think sometimes it's just conversation like I'm literally in the car the way I'm talking to you right now is the way I'm literally talking to God like okay God I need you to help me on this I just had an idea like even this I have this big event coming up soon and it's like it's called the pivot tour and so this is where I'm introducing the new brand and building this thing up brick by brick it's called House of Bowling so here we are building this thing up one by one I'm like okay God you gave me this big dream I don't know where this came from but you gave it to me so now you gotta help me bring this thing to life piece by piece and it's not me running out trying to do things myself.

38:44So I had somebody to call me and say, I had somebody to DM me. And she said, I know we don't talk and I know you don't know me like that, but I'm going to tell you this. She said, the event that you just posted on your page, God's about to blow your mind. You're about to get so many hits and so many people, and they're going to be coming to you just giving, giving, giving, giving. And that's exactly what has been happening in the past 72 two hours, companies are saying, we want to give. Let us take over the full thing. Let us do whatever we need to do. Your name's still first. We're coming on the back end.

39:17Let us help as many. And that's when I know it's God. I'm not having to fight and struggle and lose a great amount of sleep anymore as an entrepreneur. They say that if you're an entrepreneur, if you're losing sleep, then you're probably doing something that's great. And I don't believe that anymore. I believe that I can literally get good rest and know that God's in control and every step is already written. He knew us before we were in our parents' womb, before we was in our mom's womb. Right. So the story is already written. I'm so happy to hear that for you. I'm curious about styling with men.

39:52Oh, that's fun. Because I think women have a lot of stuff that we carry when we put on clothes. Sometimes clothes are not, I have like a bigger chest. Clothes are not made for me, you know? So I'm like working with it all the time and it makes us feel bad about our bodies. Do you think men carry that same shame when it comes to clothing? You'll be surprised. A lot of men have, they don't call necessarily insecure. They don't come off. Like I feel like what I experience with women, it's packaged differently when I come to the table as far as saying, I want to show my arms. I want to show this. Can we do this better?

40:30Can we do this? I think that women sometimes get the bad end of the stick of being held to a standard of what they should look like, how their body should look, how their hair, how their makeup should look. They should be on at all times. I don't believe in that. I just think you should be at your best. Give it your best. And sometimes we don't feel at our best. So if you're low, feels like your best, then just do that. You're not putting on for anybody. So the fellas, the guys, they package it differently. It's a little more masculine. It's a little less said. And so, you know, it's more of, I don't like it more than it is.

41:07It doesn't look good. I'd rather my shoulders be bigger. I'd rather this fit my arms a lot better. I'd rather my pants fit like this. It's never that detail. It's just, I don't like these. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't like these pants. It's like, well, what don't you like about the pants? Just so I can get to know you better. But I'm learning that men just don't communicate like women do most of the times when it comes to style them so that's quite funny what are the difficulties around styling or dressing men that women would never think of i think it's the variety what do you mean i think variety i feel like uh with ladies we have variety we can put them in whatever we have shirts skirts i mean anything you think of with women you have variety of different types of silhouettes you can do with men you can play with certain things but depending on the the guy yeah i'm learning now that it is more different than it is difficult because every person deserves to have their personal style and every person knows what they like.

42:06So you want a person to feel comfortable. I never like to push fashion on people because then they look like mannequins. They look like walking mannequins, you know? But like, what's the, what's the middle ground? Because people are hiring you as a professional to push them, right? I always know when somebody's, when I'm doing something that's pretty normal or pretty regular for that person, or if it's something that's very cutting edge. It's all about the way that they react when they see themselves in the mirror. Got it. Like sometimes you have a moment where he's like, yeah, I wouldn't, you know, this is cool, but it's not, you know what I'm saying?

42:36It's not me. You know what I mean? Like that's how I know it's cutting edge. It's like, no, you need to give us a shot. And he's tried it sometimes. Like, I mean, for God's sake, I put the man in a yellow suit, a banana yellow suit. You did? I missed that. Yeah, I did it for a culture con in New York. And he got so many compliments. He ended up loving it himself. It looked great on his skin. His wife adored it and loved it. His fans loved it. And the shot that we got, it just kept going on and on. It lived its own viral life online. But that was a cutting-edge moment for me. That was different.

43:08I mean, I had him in purple suits that week. I had him in yellow suits. And I just thought it looked great on brown skin that way. So I just gave it a shot. Normally, we do neutrals, browns and blacks and not so vibrant. Yeah. But the way you do it, and no shade to Steve Harvey, but like he does color in a wild way yes you do it in like a chic stream well you know what what's cool is that i get the chance to do it with someone like boris because it comes off more chic right oh i will say that i feel that steve to be honest i feel like steve is one of the better dressed men now i do i do please put me onto what you're saying because sometimes i look at his outfits and i'm like that's very him well you know what i i love that his stylist his name is ellie ellie really pushes him okay he pushes him now more than now more than ever he pushes him on on a weight on his body type and the kind of clothes they'll be able to fit in um but even when it comes to color i actually just saw them um on the episode of family feud recently and And I saw it was an entire team, like Dolce and Cabana.

44:22Like, they all came in to make sure that he was, all his pieces were tailored. I thought it was so cool to see Steve in a couture kind of way. That is cool. So the colors, I've seen some funky things that guys would do. Like, in the South, like, a lot of guys aren't going to wear a brooch this big. But Steve wore it. I was like, oh, it looks good. It's a little misunderstood sometimes, I think. Yeah. And I think people know Steve and imagine Steve from what his old style used to be. That's true. And so it carries on to now. And so it's kind of like, I don't know. But I think Ellie does an incredible job with him now.

44:58I've had a few female stylists on the podcast. And I'm curious to get your take on this. Do you think that women are ever nervous to hire a male stylist? Yeah. Really? I think so. I think it depends on their state of life. It depends on if they're married, like if the actual client is married. Oh, tell me why. It's different. So it's almost psychological, okay? Like it's literally a mind game that we have to play. I always know when a client is single. I know when a client becomes married, it's a difference. It's a respect level difference. there's a boundary difference you know what i mean like at one point i had a client that i was working with years ago and i was in her closet and i was uh talking about the clothing oh i think this shirt should go with this and all you can hear is my my male voice in the house and so i heard a door open downstairs when the door opened downstairs someone was coming up the stairs you also hear him coming up when it came up it was the lady's husband well he didn't know that i was even going to be there.

46:07So here I am a man. He didn't care what kind of man's in the house. He don't care if you like fashion or not. All he saw was a man in the house and all he heard was a man voice. And so he literally sat there and pulled out a gun and he pulled his gun out and he shined his gun in front of me while I was still in the closet. So I'm trying to play it cool and trying to figure out how the hell am I going to get out of here because it's a closet. There's only one way in, one way out. He's sitting at the door and he's shining his gun. And I was like, okay, cool. From now on, I'm going to always travel with females.

46:41So I always have females with me now when I'm going into a lady's closet and going to their personal spaces and into their homes, because you just never know what you're going to run into. And then sometimes you just want to be respectful. Like you get, like, it's a male, you're seeing a lady, you're seeing them body parts, you're zipping their dresses up, you're touching them up, you're lotioning up their ankles, you're pulling their hair back. This is what we do as stylists. And so sometimes it's that you are trusted a hell of a lot more than most females get trusted. But it's also the same way with males.

47:16When I take my female stylist with me, I notice that my male clients will listen to my females way faster than they will listen to me fascinating yeah it's crazy i think it's a comfort level i think it's also at the opposite sex sometimes know what the opposite what the other sex should look like you know what i mean yes um i think that's just a thought that people have not to say that it's true but i just think that it's i think it's a thought that a process that people have yeah i i understand it for the men especially because like they're dressing for women mostly. Yeah, they dress for women mostly, like 100 % mostly.

47:55So I have one of my assistant stylists and whatever she says goes. When we go to our NBA players and our NFL players, we go to their home, we're shopping for them. They just listen to her completely and I let her talk. You learn in this market, you bring on people that can be just as fascinating as you are or way smarter than you are and people that can be heard a little more than you are. And it's a safety thing too.

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50:21My favorite designers love working with it, so looking polished without sacrificing comfort is pretty much built into the deal. Athleisure, cotton. Loungewear, cotton. And is there anything more versatile than a great cotton t-shirt? The answer is no, there just isn't. Cotton keeps you cool when you're on the go, cozy when you're winding down, and comfortable through everything in between. It makes it easy to feel like the best version of yourself and confidence is always the best thing you can wear. Plus, it's nice knowing you're choosing a fabric that's naturally microplastic free. Honestly, you can live in cotton.

50:55I practically do. I mean, there's a reason they call it the fabric of our lives. I'm Melissa Jeltson, host of the What Happened to Her podcast. We're kicking off the season with the Sandra Birchmore story, a case the police wrote off as a suicide in a snowstorm. Her family never bought it, and the man they suspected wore a badge. You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform. And you can get access to all episodes 100 % ad-free with an iHeart True Crime Plus subscription exclusively on Apple Podcasts, available only to iHeart True Crime Plus subscribers.

51:32So don't wait. Head to Apple Podcasts, search for iHeart True Crime Plus, and subscribe today. Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. Oh my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not going to get anywhere fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, Good Taste is my business, and I've always got something to say.

52:14If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're going to talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older, and a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care.

52:48J. Bolin:I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week, I bring on incredible guests like Conan O 'Brien, Iowa Debris, Lamorne Morris, and Nicole Byer. Ooh, I scammed them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And the scams run the gamut. I'm talking about scams from the 1800s all the way up to today. I also warn you and keep you safe against scammers. Call your grandparents. Tell your parents to stop clicking on links, please.

53:27J. Bolin:And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. If there's a scam, I'm here to protect you. And I'm also here to laugh with you. So if you like fun, if you like comedy, and you like learning and protecting yourself from criminals, start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Scam Goddess! Hi, this is Kylie Brakeman. Angela Jaritana. Jeremy Culhane. Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists podcast. The Improvised Character Comedy Podcast, where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft.

54:02Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal. I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So we don't like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes by Audra McDonald at the Wonderland Bookstore on 14th. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland Bookstore. yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark Thirty. No way. We'll have to come to the last bookstore, though.

54:38Kim Cattrall is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

55:13So a lot of stylists, LaRoach, said a lot about this, but a lot of stylists have talked about the fashion politics of getting brands to dress talent. Yeah. Which becomes a conversation about not just who gets access, but who fashion houses deem worthy of their clothes. Yeah. Have you run into any of that gatekeeping? Yeah, whole life, whole career. Still to this day, there are moments where I have clients that I've worked with some of the biggest names in Hollywood and I've still got no's on them from different brands, from different fashion houses. They will tell you no. Sometimes it's not necessarily no based off of that particular client.

55:50Sometimes it's no based off of the event they're going to. Sometimes it's no based off of their body type. Sometimes it's no based off of their race. Sometimes it's no based off of their level of celebrity. Can you tell what it's based off of? I can always tell. You know what the note is. You always know the undertone. I know exactly what it means. I especially know what it means when I'm in person. If I go to a fashion showroom and I tell them exactly who I'm working with, what it's for, and you have these young fashion interns that have been trained so well that are sitting at the front desk, and they're taught to keep that gate up.

56:29And sometimes I fight against it. And sometimes I don't enjoy the fight of having to fight. Sometimes it's just like, let me just pick up my pieces and I'll go and find somebody that wants to work with me. But then there are some moments where I'm like, oh, hell yeah, I'm going to fight this one through and you're going to get this approved by this designer for me. Like some showrooms will say, oh, that piece right there, that rack right there is off limits for you. But you have access. Like I'll walk in sometimes and they'll say, oh, you're working with such and such. I'm like, yeah. And they're like, okay, cool.

57:01So these 30 racks over here are off limits. But there's that one rack over there you can look at. Are there certain brands that you know that you're like, they have racist undertones? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I already know it. Now, those are the ones that if you have a racist undertone for sure from a brand, I don't even want to work with you. I don't want my clients representing that kind of brand. I don't want to represent that kind of brand. I don't want the world thinking that you're this shining designer pop star out here that everybody should be wearing because they shouldn't. Yeah.

57:33You should not be. Don't wear a person who doesn't care anything about humanity. And humanity is that everybody gets the equal opportunity to rock these clothes. Now, a designer does have the decision on saying, you know, I don't know if this is going to fit that person's body. right if you have a size four piece and you know and i know my clients are size eight okay that's fair for you to say no to just say no she won't be able to fit this particular piece right but if you have the sizes you And you know that the vibe and the look is there. You know that I'm credentialed enough as a stylist. I'm going to take care of your clothing.

58:10We're both going to bring you great press. Who are the brands? I'm not going to make you name names for the bad ones because that's just mean. But who are the designer brands that you think have good humanity? um essay of xenobor don murphy those are two african-american brands that i adore and they're based in dallas texas and to be honest with you when i first got started a lot of showrooms weren't even allowing me in and to do anything with them at all like i couldn't get anything um so i was working with a lot of like small designers that like have their pieces in their basements of their homes, don't have an office space, don't even know how to sell their pieces.

58:49They're just so talented to know what they're doing. And then I would go to boutiques. And it also taught me, when I would get all those big no's, it also taught me to go and work with nothing and turn it into something. Make it work. Yeah. So now it's a part of this magical journey that I'm on right now where I'm able to teach a lady how to wear pieces that would normally cost$4 ,000. I can teach you where to get something for$40 and make it look better than the girl who rocking a$4 ,000 piece. Now, I told you earlier, you caught my eye on Instagram because you're posting about how to rebrand.

59:20Yes. Basically, if you were their creative director, you did Oprah, Gail, Jennifer Hudson, Coco Jones, and you really build these women up. I loved your phrase. What did you say? I don't look at the now, I look at the next. I look at the next, yeah. So why did you choose those women? What appealed to you? Because I could see something else. Okay. I could see that there was something else. You know, you could see a person and you see that and you're like, there's a little bit of something else on you. Like when I first walked in the room here at the podcast. Yeah. When I saw one of your team members.

59:55First thing I said, are you into fashion? Like you can just smell something else on a person at all times. So no, you're like, she does everything. Okay. She has the vibes. She has the vibes for it. She does. And sometimes people carry the vibes. So you can often see the future. And I do feel like fashion and aesthetic and style can be very prophetic. It's about the future. It's about beyond what you can even see sometimes. Yeah. I mean, Zendaya changed her whole career strategically with fashion. Yeah. I mean, look at Cardi B as talented as I don't know what. But Colin Carter, who's her stylist, worked for me for eight years.

1:00:30He's killing it with her now and knowing how to take nothing and turn it into something. because I'm sure that he faced the same kind of things in the industry when she first got started. You know, she was coming off of being a reality show star and people were like, oh, we don't dress reality show stars, you know. You face a lot of rejection. So go ahead. Oh, you do. I know, especially with the designer brands because they feel like if a Gucci bag – I heard this thing. I don't know if it's true, but they said back in the day Gucci would send reality stars Louis Vuitton bags so that they would carry them to devalue the Louis bag.

1:01:06Yeah. I don't underestimate anything. I know. Do you think it's important for everyone to have a personal brand? Not if they're not called to it. Okay. I don't feel like everybody's called to have a platform. Some people don't want a platform like that. And having a personal brand obviously equates to having a platform. So I don't feel like everybody wants to have a personal brand. But I do think that everybody carries a persona. I even think nowadays, like accountants, if you're an accountant, why would they hire you? Like you have to be known for something. Yeah, you have to be known for something.

1:01:40If you're in business, I do think that you should have some sort of personal brand. People need to know who you are because at this point, because it's oversaturated, we have to know who we can trust. And if we don't know anything about you, we don't know what we can trust. It's kind of like how do you find a good CPA? You don't know just based off of online them saying that they can run your numbers and do your taxes and you can scale your business. You don't know unless you know the person. Now, say somebody is in transition. They're starting a new career or leaving a marriage or, I don't know, starting a business.

1:02:16How do you know that their outside image doesn't reflect who they are anymore on the inside? What's the tell? It always looks sad. It looks sad. It doesn't look inspired. It doesn't look inspired. I can always tell when a lady is going through a transition and maybe she's going through a divorce. And maybe her husband left her for a younger chick, you know. Or maybe things just didn't work and maybe she lost her job. Or maybe she found out that she had cancer. It could be any of those things, right? And you start to wear sadness instead of wearing the joy that you used to have. And the joy came through style and fun and hope.

1:03:00And it's something about when people lose hope that their lives start to become a lot darker than what it used to be. You can always look at a person and see when the sun is shining and when they're feeling like they're vibrancy and they're at their best. And when a person is stunting and putting on. Like, I felt like people could see past when I was in my storm. Like, no matter how many pieces of clothes I put on, like now, people say to me, oh, my God, you're looking good. You're looking refreshed. And I'm like, oh, yeah, they knew what was going on. You know what I mean? Like, they could see past it.

1:03:33So I was wearing sadness and was looking for hope, just didn't know how to wear it. You know, I'm listening to you realizing part of why you are so good at the rebrand. And it's because you see people so deeply. And it's a skill totally outside of fashion. And you really, you see what's possible for them. It's a gift. I always wanted people to see what was possible in me. And I think that's what makes me see people so much because I wanted to be seen. What's your take on someone like Taylor Swift? She has all the eyes in the world on her. But how do you think she meets the moment in terms of her looks?

1:04:12This is a great question. I think that Taylor Swift has her own personal style that she enjoys. But do I think that there's another level to her fashion? The answer is absolutely yes. I'm waiting for the levels. That level, because she has the body, the height, the build. The clothes were made for her. The clothes were made for her. But you'll always find her in the most simplistic pieces. so i'm wondering if she's the kind of girl that just doesn't enjoy caring a lot or doing the most well the rumor is is that she wears pieces on purpose to be relatable to be relatable that's understandable okay so that's different like that's a mission conversation you know i mean to be relatable to the world but every now and then taylor you got to stun on just a little bit you know what i mean it's okay to be relatable but untouchable you know what i mean that that would be the goal but i do understand the whole uh relatability factor but there is another level to to her like i would love to see taylor swift in a center part bust down 40 inch blonde hair all white oversized suit on low neckline like you can see it right you imagine this with me with a chocolate lip matte with a nude all neutral color bronzed out face uh with lots of cool fun rings on a little bit of layered a little thin necklaces a little fun layered necklaces on with a gold, nasty, pointy-toe, St.

1:05:58Laurent heel. You know what I mean? Like, I can see it with an oversized clutch bag that's bigger than her almost. You know, like, seeing her swaggy like that every now and then, it always gives people a little bit of fantasy. And I feel like that's what Hollywood is. Hollywood has a little bit of fantasy. We create fantasy. We create illusions. And so I think having a little bit of that and then also having a little bit of that relatability is a little bit of both. I love what Taraji P. Henson is doing. taraji has like fantasy moments on the carpet but i love seeing her personal style now yeah she's killing her personal style right now she's in new york but every time you see her she's posting online now i'm like i never knew that she had personal style like this but the personal style now makes her even more relatable yeah i that's actually a really good example i agree i'm curious what you would do for someone like tiana taylor who always looks good like i've never seen her miss oh that's a tough one uh it's a tough one for for fashion but i do feel that tiana you know what i would love to see from tiana so now we're thinking 360 again yeah i think that tiana taylor would do great with having like a creative a creative conference for creatives creative directors graphic designers people that are just all over creatives in general yeah like she's like the mother of creatives.

1:07:18Yeah. And I feel like she's the relatable mother of creatives. Like even Essence has brought her on to be the creative director of the Essence Music Festival this year coming up this summer. Yeah. So. Yeah. She has so many buckets. She has so many buckets. Cooking and fashion and music and exercise. I feel like she's conquered all the other eras. Fashion. Okay, cool. It's an expectation to see her look amazing. Yeah. You don't expect to see her not looking amazing. No. But what we have not seen is what she offers to the world that's tangible for everyone to take home. Now, okay, Lauryn Hill, if you had to ask me, like, who's your favorite musician of all time?

1:07:55Yes. I say Lauryn Hill. It's Lauryn, yeah. Like one album, no skips, on repeat for me, it's Lauryn Hill. I one time flew to, I couldn't make her LA concert, so I flew to Toronto for one night just to see her. and she gets up on stage and she's wearing the most insane, like it's a tutu material. Yeah, yeah. What would that be? She is like tulle. Yes. And it's pink and it's enormous. And I looked at my friend who I was with and I was like, she looks like CeeLo Green. Yeah. She is the queen of layering. Okay. That's one way of saying it. She's the queen of layering. Like she can layer anything. I don't even know how a stylist goes to Lauryn Hill and say, I can create a better style for you at all.

1:08:42Like it would just have to be, in order to do something completely different, it would have to be extremely simplistic. It would have to go to like extreme simplistic, right? Like we always see her in a white button down and jeans and a red lip. Exactly. And it's so different. So different. But I feel that her being layered, I feel like there's a little bit of armor for her as well. but I also feel that it is very inspirational because it's fashion and it's fantasy. She creates fantasy on stage. And I feel like she came up in the 90s era where you created fantasy. All the cool music videos. Remember the budgets back then for the music videos?

1:09:20Those videos created fantasy. They were million-dollar budgets. They were million-dollar budgets, but they also created fantasy back then. It was where the sales were through the roof. I feel like she still carries that legacy of doing that. That's cool. Well, she's like the mother of fantasy. I was going to say style. Okay. But I'll give her the mother of fantasy and style. Maybe I'll give her the mother of fantasy and style. That would be Lauryn Hill. Beautiful. I don't know if it's much that I could change about her, to be honest with you. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So preparing them for the next, not the now.

1:09:53I want you to rip me apart. Do me next. Are you kidding me? It's not ripping you apart. I've gotten very mixed reviews on my podcast cover. I do think it needs to change. It's very Girlboss era. I didn't mean for it to be. Okay, got it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I will say that I'm always thinking about the bigger crowd, the bigger audience, right? What we're doing right now is something that is great because people get a chance to sit in their homes and their living rooms and their rolls in their hair while the baby is crying. but it's something about you creating an escape for people to be able to come to something come to something i think people what i'm experiencing from you now live in person is even better than what i experienced by watching your podcast before we've had the opportunity to meet face to face i think that people have an opportunity to see you on stage like i see you as imagine like a tour an oprah tour you know how oprah comes out on stage and it's like oh like everybody looks at her and they're like they're clapping um i see you doing that but i see it in this kind of manner where it's white and it's creams and it's uh floor-to-ceiling draped uh curtains and everything is cream and yummy and you bring out some of your favorite people to have conversation with.

1:11:14It goes from, you know, celebrity to wellness to fantasy conversations to fashion conversations. I think that people would love to hear that and see that from you just on the move. In person. In person. I love that. That's the goal. That's the goal. I love that you said that. You gave me good validation. You need to hit the road, girl. The kind of questions you ask, it's one thing to be interviewed by somebody, right? Yeah. Yeah. there's a little bit of curiosity that you have. And it's like the little girl in you. And it brings out the little child in me. And I feel like it brings up the little child in everybody, every person that sat on any chair across from you, any couch across from you.

1:12:00It comes from a really pure, natural place. And the world needs to see a little bit of, a lot more of this pure and this naturalness and this soul that you bring on camera here. But we want to see this on the road. So, team, let's make it happen. Take her on the road. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you for giving me that gift.

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1:19:12Okay, I'm going to do some rapid fires with you. Your number one fashion hot take. Wear the clothes, man. don't let the clothes wear you that's that's always my thing and when i say that i mean literally i've seen people in clothing and it could be labeled and it could be the most fabulous piece ever and the clothes it's wearing them and i can always tell when a person has been forced into something or when they when a salesman has forced somebody into something and when it's something that's very natural i would much rather see a girl in a ripped denim jean and a white button-down shirt on that's oversized um than seeing a girl in a couture piece that doesn't fit and look them look that well and it could be a ten thousand dollar piece it doesn't matter give me these old navy jeans yes and this white button down from walmart and let's make it happen totally agree you know okay crocs cut them or keep them oh god okay i have mixed i have mixed for mixed feelings on that um crocs you can call me um so i will say that i feel like crocs are very comfortable but i do feel that there are moments crocs are meant for your gardening um they're meant for your home life they're meant for your comfy life don't take them on the carpet don't take them um i would even say don't take them on the air on the airplanes like you agree i totally agree yeah like i don't i don't like seeing people um I'm going to look too comfortable.

1:20:39Like, I like to see you looking relaxed, but comfort is something that you feel like you do in your own home, not necessarily out in public. Okay, a fashion rule that you secretly believe in. This is going to be controversial, but I do feel that you shouldn't spend a lot of money on clothes. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, you don't need to. When you have taste, you don't need to. You don't need to spend a lot of money on clothing. And I also think that there are other missions and other people across the world that need. And if it's something else about us being human that we can see the next person that may need.

1:21:14Like if I can go and buy a shirt that cost me$5 ,000, imagine if I went and bought a shirt that was$40. And now I can help 10 other women to be in that same kind of shirt as well that need it. to have a job interview, a sister that's struggling to get to work, you know, fresh out of a divorce, lost everything, single mom. And here I am rocking a$5 ,000 shirt and I'm telling them that it gets better for you. It's like, no, help me to get better. Help me find something for$40. Help me find something that can work for me as well. So I just, I feel like there's a bigger investment that can be made outside of clothing.

1:21:56I'm going to get killed for that one, but. I don't think so. I think you have a beautiful heart of service. Okay, monochrome style, magical or mundane? It's magical, my God. It elongates the body. I agree. You know, it makes the person look taller. It hides flaws too. You know what I mean? Like the things that you don't necessarily like showing, to me, it glamoflagens them. The look that you'll defend forever. Oh my God. The look that I'll defend forever. Okay, wait. So are we talking about something I have styled or a look that has just been done across the world? Either. If it's a look that I have styled, it was recent.

1:22:34I did something on a client and it was black and white. And no, a lot of people loved it. And there was a lot of people who did not like it. And I loved it. And it was polka dots. And I was like, I love polka dots. And they were like, it's too much. It looks like Beetlejuice. it looks like this it looks like Cruella de Vil and I was like I'll forever stand by this look because I absolutely love it and I couldn't I'm gonna tell you I was in a movie premiere when the comments started coming in and in the movie theater I couldn't get any service so I couldn't clap back online if I needed to the comments and I was like let me just take the post down until I can defend myself and so I reposted it no way yeah I reposted it like when I got out of the theater I was okay now we can talk if you want to knock we can buck let's do this okay that's hilarious i'm gonna stand by it you know i say i'm gonna stand by it i'm gonna stand by it 100 i love that your community really tells you what they think too they do and i love them for that i want them always for they can but i also want you to be respectful of course uh okay a style era that you'd bring back i'm such a retro i love the retro world um i love high waist pants i love um the uh pussy bowl blouse necktie uh shirts i love anything that's going to create silhouette and that feels soft i love print so i feel like that 70s era had like that moment as well where it just felt like everything felt so chic and cutting edge at the same time yes like it was an unapologetic style then like you weren't asking for permission when you put that on.

1:24:09You weren't. Yeah. The 90s, you weren't asking for permission either. Yeah, you're right. Do you think we asked for permission today? Oh, absolutely. Really? Yes, indeed. From the internet? Yeah. When we're posting ourselves online, we're asking for permission. Interesting. I feel like when a lot of people are posting online, we're looking for a little bit of validation. You're doing it because you want to tell a personal story, personal brand, all this stuff. But nobody wants the comments to light them up and say, but it's not. you're looking for the validation. If not, you turn your comments off and just post a photo up.

1:24:43What's the fastest way to elevate a basic? Tailor it. A client who surprised you in the fitting room? Tara Banks. Ooh, good surprise? Yeah.

1:24:56The celebrity whose style is always misunderstood. We just talked about him, Steve Harvey. Yeah, that's funny. Okay, who is the best dressed city? What is the best dressed city okay i'm gonna be a little biased on it i feel like dallas texas is really yeah i thought i knew hollywood until i moved to dallas hot when i moved to dallas i literally was like i've never seen people dress like this before ladies were buying 25 000 gowns to go to parties at people's homes and they will never wear them again and their style and their taste was so exquisite i was blown away so i see the kind of style there because obviously it's like it's a place that a lot of people move to as well.

1:25:35Yeah. So you get a little bit of New York style. You get a little bit of LA. You get a little bit of Oklahoma. You get a little bit of all the things that come right to Dallas, Texas. And we have great shopping too. And it's the origin city of Neiman Marcus. Exactly. Exactly. What was the best dress decade? The 70s? I think the 70s for sure. What does every man need in his closet? A blazer. Ooh, what kind? Structured. I feel like a great structured blazer um because you know like they have the relaxed looking blazers too they have nowadays they have like the ones that are stretchy blazers they have the ones that are more relaxed no shoulder pads or your shoulders are like leaning downwards you know i mean there's some that feel really casual but the kind i'm talking about the ones are a little more structured okay they they make you look a little more serious like you can play with the look and you can do a million things with it you can make it as casual as you want to with your pants you can make it as luxe you want to with whatever you layer it up with.

1:26:30But I feel like a great structure blazer brings structure to the body and it makes you look a little more luxe. What does every woman need in her closet? A white button down. Hands down. It's hard to find a good one. No, it's not. I have a secret for you. Tell me, please. Walmart, call me. No. I know. If you tell me that Walmart has the perfect button down. I know. Do you know how much I've spent on a white button down? Let me tell you. So quick story. I had a client that was a billionaire, took her, she likes all high-end pieces, right? She never, Walmart, it's like she's not, she doesn't go there.

1:27:05She definitely does not shop there. So I am on a mission to show women that you don't have to spend a lot of money, no matter how much money you have. And so I bring in a white button down and I took the name tag out of it. I didn't tell her where it came from because I didn't want her to know. I said, if I show her the name on the inside of it, she's not going to want to wear it. I took the name tag out of it and she put it on and she wore it out with all her friends who are the rest of billionaires you know it's the up echelon of people so she comes home and she says darling everybody loved my blouse and everybody loved my look and i was like that's so awesome she's like everybody kept asking me about this white button down where did you get it and i said walmart and she said you're so silly i just love you jay i was like no i'm serious she was like walmart it's like you're wearing wrangler like i started naming out some of you're wearing jordash i just started naming out walmart brands and she was like you had me out at my friend's home and their parties wearing something from walmart and i was like this could either go good or this could go a hell of a lot bad.

1:28:16And so when she learned it, she was like, I forever changed her mentality about where clothing comes from and what you can do with it. White button downs at Walmart, they're fresh, they're crisp, they hold a good stiffness to them. You know, it's hard to find like a good stiff one. You can pop your collar on, open the collar up, unbutton as much as you want to in a neckline. So many fun things you can do. And then for God's sake, if it gets ruined because it's white, you didn't spend a lot of money on it. So go back and get you another one. Exactly. because the stiff ones like are there's like wardrobe NYC.

1:28:48It's like$700. It's insane. We're not paying that kind of money for a white button now. No, we're not. Yeah. Wow. Hot tip. Okay. What should every person try once? Me. I love that.

1:29:05Okay. You know what time it is. Today's a good day to have a good day. I'll see you next week.

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