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23:49Amy Purdy:It feels special. You know, and that's a choice. You can dig into it. I have a very kind of mechanical brain and scientific brain I like to dig in and make sense of everything. But I also like to hold certain things to just being these special moments that I can't explain and I'm so grateful I've had them and they stay as these little, small, beautiful things of life. And that was one of them.

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28:06I want to talk about sort of the sister to unknown, which I think is uncertainty, because you seem to have this unbelievable balance between belief and uncertainty, which I think is a very unusual two faiths or beliefs to have at the same time. They're almost opposing. You talk about how you're with your dad in the hospital and you're saying, can I please see my feet? And he says, no, we're working on your life right now. Your feet don't matter. And he uncovers the blanket and you're both of your feet are purple. And at the same time, I mean, I can't even imagine the shock of that, right? And what you feel.

28:46And at the same time, you're holding on to the belief of my life is going to be amazing. I think everybody listening is like so uncomfortable with the uncertainty of life. What is your take on that?

28:59Amy Purdy:Looking back, I can say for sure that the possibilities live in the unknown. When we think about that for a second, which is that there's nothing scarier than the unknown. There's nothing scarier than having no idea what comes next. Whether you're going through a loss of a job or loss of identity or injury or illness or disability or anything that takes you away from what you're comfortable with, there's nothing scarier than not knowing what comes next. You're just kind of floating in the sea of possibilities. But when you think about it like that, that now in that space, anything's possible, truly anything's possible because you don't know what comes next.

29:42Amy Purdy:You could go in any direction. And that's good if you can let yourself be there and And let yourself be a little bit comfortable with being uncomfortable for a bit, because that's where things land in ways you never can expect or anticipate. When I was in the hospital, I saw my feet for the very first time. My dad lifted up the sheets because my feet hurt really bad. This was day two in the hospital. And my dad said, you know, we're not worried about your feet. We're worried about your life. And I thought, you know, I just want to see my feet. I want to see what's going on. And I saw that they were purple.

30:16Amy Purdy:In that moment, I was fighting for my life. Something interesting happens when you're fighting for your life. Your emotions cut off completely. You truly are in the present moment. You are in the here and now. There is nothing that makes you more present than knowing you're about ready to die. And there's something really calming about that as well. You're not caught up in, oh my gosh, I haven't done this with my life or I haven't done that. The emotion that you think that you would be caught up in the fear that you think you would be caught up in. You don't feel at least I didn't feel in that moment.

30:52Amy Purdy:It's very practical. I'm about ready to die. And I am just in this moment right now in this like in between space of I'm not connected to here and I'm not connected to there. I'm just present. And it's just a very interesting place to be in. You would think it would be very scary, but it's actually very calming. Are you able to tap into that energy now? Like when you're doing hard things, do you remember that feeling? I try to remind myself of that feeling. And I'll tell you why I was just thinking about this even yesterday. And I mean, I wrote about this in the book, I think chapter two or three is all about presence.

31:29Amy Purdy:But I've been really diving into that in my own life, just in my own practice daily, I find that when we are really present, that truly is when the magic happens. That's when you open up possibilities. Like I said, you might meet somebody, someone crosses your path, something happens. Those serendipitous moments seem to happen in those in-between moments. We're so busy going from point A to point B that we miss those moments. We might go from we're on a phone call in a car to jumping on an airplane. If you have a busy life like that, or going to work and then taking care of your kids and then coming home on cleaning, whatever it may be, it's just go, go, go, go.

32:07I think it's the in between those moments.

32:11Amy Purdy:If we can pause and truly be present and look around us, that's where you see those little magical connections happen. It actually just happened the other day for me. I was in LA and I was supposed to do a podcast with somebody who I was really excited to do a podcast with. In fact, we were trying to do this for years and she has a huge podcast. And finally, it was set up and she's in Malibu. And I was kind of running around trying to get other things done, my books launching, but I was doing speeches at the same time at phone calls, I was actually a mess. I was kind of all over the place. I was feeling my nervous system just out of whack.

32:48Amy Purdy:And I thought, I don't think I can show up and be my best self right now. And I felt so bad. But I canceled with her and I felt so bad. The resistance that I felt canceling was actually the hardest thing ever. Nobody was putting this pressure on me, but me, I just didn't want to let her down. And as soon as I let myself off the hook, I let myself breathe. And I was like, everything's okay. Okay, we'll figure this out. At the time that I was canceling with her, I was also even thinking about the driver. I was thinking, oh my gosh, the driver's going to be sitting up there for two hours. And now he has to wait.

33:24Amy Purdy:So I was just thinking of everybody that I was inconveniencing. Well, two hours later, as soon as the driver comes to pick me up, I get in the car and he's about ready to take me to the airport. And I said, I am so sorry. I canceled on you. I canceled this podcast. And he goes, oh my gosh, are you kidding me? I absolutely needed that. He goes, I have been so busy. I just sat on the beach. He goes, I let the wind go through my hair. I had a moment, Amy, I had a moment and I had a moment that I absolutely needed. And And I was like, oh my gosh, thank God. I had a moment too. And I was like, I guess we both needed that, right?

34:01Amy Purdy:We both needed a moment. And so it made me feel so much better. Well, he ended up turning on this music in the car and we're driving down the beach and it was so relaxing. And I took this deep breath and then he goes, do you wanna get some frozen yogurt? He was this older guy. Do you wanna get some frozen yogurt? And I was like, sure, I don't have to be to the airport for a few minutes. So he took me to his favorite frozen yogurt place. We sit down with this driver I've never met outside and just have this awesome conversation, have frozen yogurt. And he was like, this is what life is about. This right here, this spontaneous moment of taking a breath in between our day where we were both so busy.

34:45Amy Purdy:Now we get to connect and meet and have conversation. and I'm telling you, my nervous system relaxed so much. I was relaxed for like the next three days after that. I absolutely needed it. He needed it. What I thought about was that was an in-between moment and had I have said, you know what? No, let me just get to the airport. I got things to do. I got to check my emails when I get there or something. I would have missed that moment. So I think when we can really pause and pay attention to those in-between moments and just be as present as possible, that's not only what helps us live maybe really cool possibilities and stories in our life, but I think that helps us get through our challenges, right?

35:28Amy Purdy:Like that allows the world to drop away for a minute. Then you're just really in the middle of what matters most. Amy, you've been able to manifest so many successes in your life. You've written about it. Has there ever been something that you've deeply believed would happened for you that didn't? Yeah, actually. And some of these things did happen, right? I swear I manifested Oprah and Dancing with the Stars and Paralympics. Maybe I didn't know exactly what they looked like, but I knew that I could do these things and I went on to do them. The Oprah thing, I mean, I used to watch Oprah every single day.

36:04Amy Purdy:I knew I would be on her show and I ended up being on tour with her. That's when I was first introduced to you. It was that interview. I'll tell you what, that in itself was manifestation because while I was on tour with Oprah, I was on tour with her, Deepak Chopra, and Liz Gilbert. I had already written about them in my first book that was about ready to come out. And I was able to just knock on their dressing room door, hand them the galley of my book, and they endorsed it right there. But I had written about them in the book, and then they were there. We were on tour together. It was just so amazing the way that it came together.

36:37Amy Purdy:but what hasn't happened is I always wanted to be in a movie. I always wanted to be like a superhero in a movie because I thought it would be so cool with these legs. You can do so much with these legs. They're bionic and you can turn them into anything. They don't have to look real. To actually watch, let's say like a superhero character that isn't CGI, those are actually real legs and we make them look really cool. I just think that would be the coolest thing. And that's something that I've been very close to, but it hasn't happened. That's a TBD. I believe in your powers. I think it will happen.

37:14I know.

37:14Amy Purdy:Now I'm trying to wonder, these are some of the things where you're like, wait a second, but why is the manifestation not happening? You know, I'm like, I am getting older. I'm no longer like at the physical level that I was at when I was like, you know, an athlete at the peak of my physical abilities, but you never know. You know, I had a question for you that I kind of want to change up. I've read and listened to you speak about rebuilding and reinvention. You've had to reinvent yourself multiple times. And I was going to ask you what part of you has remained true throughout all these reinventions.

37:45But I'm actually more curious. I briefly met your husband right before we started recording. And he was so sweet. He kissed you on the forehead before you started recording. and I'm curious if you're okay talking about it, if you feel like he understands the Amy before you were 19 who had her legs and if he understands the Amy after, because he only met the Amy after.

38:13Amy Purdy:I love this question. I used to feel like he didn't know who I was before. I met him not long after I lost my legs. I mean, I lost my legs when I was 19. I think I met him two or three years after that. I met him right after my kidney transplant, actually. And when I was younger, and we were first dating, I struggled a little bit with my identity, for sure, because here I had lost my legs. But yet I still felt like the same person. I tried to kind of be the same person a little bit, but then I would be a little bit insecure about it. We moved in together right away. And we lived on the beach in San Diego.

38:51Amy Purdy:And I'd go out and show my legs because I'd be wearing a swimsuit and people would look at me and that would be uncomfortable. And so then I remember I would say to him, you know, I never used to feel this way. Or before I lost my legs, I would have been able to do this. Maybe it was just because we were fresh and dating that I felt like I needed him to know who I was before. Like, had I have not lost my legs, I was like this. I also had a kidney transplant. And so after that, it's not like I was able to really drink much. And we were both young and he loved to go out and he loved to listen to music and he loved to party.

39:22Amy Purdy:And I couldn't quite do some of those things. But I'm from Vegas. So I remember saying, like two years ago, I would have been able to do all this and I can't do this now, I think because I wanted him to know who I was. But I'll tell you, I don't know if he really knows who I was then, but he certainly knows who I am. Now. He knows me better than anybody. He has seen me in my greatest moments and in my absolute darkest days. And he's still here. And that is so amazing. But you know, I've also seen him in his darkest days and I'm still here. So it goes both ways, right? Do you have any grief around that, that he didn't know you before or no?

40:07Amy Purdy:It doesn't sound like you do. No, because I appreciate my journey so much. I appreciate who I've become because of what I've gone through. When I look back at videos, now I don't even know who she was. And that's okay. I've grown and developed so much because of what I've gone through. I am grateful for every single thing that I've gone through, even when it's been so hard at times. I wouldn't change it for the world. It really has made me who I am. And I wouldn't know the people I've known. I wouldn't know the depths of life, like the pain of life, but also that pain is what gives you purpose.

40:47Amy Purdy:I wouldn't know that feeling if I had not gone through it myself. And so, you know, I look back at my younger self and I think, gosh, she had no idea what the world had in store for her, but I'm so happy that she didn't give up and that she just kept going and figured it out along the way. I don't know if not giving up is even the right term, Amy, because after you lost your legs, just months after your amputation, you decided you were going to snowboard again. And so many people would have probably just let go of their passion. And you responded almost in the complete opposite way. First of all, I fell in love with snowboarding when I was 15.

41:28Amy Purdy:I knew it was something that I wanted to do for the rest of my life one way or another. So I was so grateful that I had that passion that pulled me through my toughest moment. When I was in the hospital and I lost my legs, I didn't even really think about, will I walk again? I just thought, will I snowboard again? To the point of where I asked the doctors every day, am I going to be able to snowboard? Can I snowboard? And it's in all my medical notes. They're like, patient's asking if she can snowboard again. And we're not sure. I'm so grateful that I had the passion of snowboarding because that definitely is what carried me through some of my darkest days.

42:03Amy Purdy:I didn't know if I'd be able to do it again. All I knew is that I wanted to do it. And I felt in my heart that I could figure out a way to do it again. I remember laying in my hospital bed, visualizing myself snowboarding. I saw myself carving down this mountain of powder and I visualized it so strong. I could feel it. I could feel the wind against my face. I could feel the beat of my racing heart. I saw it so vividly, so clearly. And I was so excited that I thought to myself, I don't know how I'm going to do this, but I know that I can do this again. And just allowing myself to believe that, just to have a moment of maybe I can do this again.

42:49Amy Purdy:Okay. Don't think about the fact that you just lost your legs, Sammy, but like, just lean into how you feel right now. Like when I did that, that led me to believe that I could do this again. And I think for all of us, you know, we get in our own way. We stop ourselves before we get started because we think, well, I can't do that. I'm too old or I can't do that. You know, my time has passed and just allow ourselves to believe like we did as kids for one minute and like get excited about something and actually believe that maybe that is possible. It's amazing where that belief can take you. And for me, I carried that feeling of the vision I had of what it felt like to snowboard again on prosthetic legs.

43:33Amy Purdy:And I just carried that forward. And I started working on different legs and different feet so that I could snowboard. I actually built my first pair of feet for snowboarding because there weren't any feet on the market for snowboarding. Wait, I need you to go deeper into that because you kind of just said that as if that was no big deal. you created your own prosthetics. I did. Now I have to tell you, there's different parts of the prosthetic that I definitely did not create. So there's this carbon fiber part to your leg. I didn't create all that. I'm not welding the metals, all of that stuff.

44:05But I got up on my

44:07Amy Purdy:snowboard and I knew that my ankles weren't moving in the way that I needed them to. And I got up on my snowboard about four months after I got my new prosthetic legs. So that was maybe six months after I lost my legs, I got up on a snowboard. That's fucking crazy, Amy. That's crazy. I'm sorry to curse, but that's nuts. Well, when I was in the hospital, I gave myself three goals when I was being wheeled into the operating room. And the first goal was that I wasn't going to feel sorry for myself, that I wasn't a victim because I was losing my legs and I didn't want to act like a victim. The second goal that I gave myself was that I was going to snowboard that year because I had never missed a year of snowboarding and I wasn't about ready to.

44:50Amy Purdy:And then the third goal was when I figured this mess out, I would help others do the same. And so I just kind of ran with those three goals. It was about four months after getting my new legs that I ended up getting up on a snowboard for the first time and seeing what it felt like. And it didn't go good. My legs didn't bend right. My ankles didn't move. My legs came off. I actually fell. My legs went down the mountain with my snowboard. It was a whole thing. But I thought to myself, okay, if I can figure out a way to keep these legs attached to me, if I can figure out a way to get my ankles to move the way I need them to, maybe I actually can do this again.

45:27Amy Purdy:And so I went home and I ended up working for the next year trying to figure out a way to snowboard on two prosthetic legs. I took different parts and pieces from other existing prosthetics that I had. I took an ankle from one brand and a foot from another brand. I turned the ankle around backwards and I put a bunch of wood under the heels and used a bunch of duct tape and basically ended up kind of Frankensteining a pair of feet to snowboard in. And they allowed me to snowboard. I have a question about what you just said, if you don't mind me chiming in. So you said when you were snowboarding, the prosthetics fell off and were like down the mountain.

46:06I don't want to harp on what's hard, but I'm curious how you felt at that moment because I love to ski. And sometimes like if I lose my skis and they go down the mountain, I start to feel sorry for myself because I'm like, oh God, I have to climb up the mountain to get this. Like it's going to be brutal. Did you ever have a moment when you looked at your prosthetics down that mountain and thought like, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening to me? Or did you just always had this perseverance?

46:32Amy Purdy:Oh no. I have gone through every emotion that you can go through. I think that anybody would go through, especially in a moment like that. I was embarrassed. I was with my friends. I didn't know my legs would come off. That was like the first time I had been on a snowboard and I wasn't sure how it was going to go. I knew how to snowboard beforehand and I loved it, obviously. So I was very discouraged that I'd be able to do it again. So sitting there on the mountain without my legs, my sister and my friend had a hike down the mountain, hike back up with my legs and my snowboard. And I was so discouraged.

47:07Amy Purdy:And I thought, clearly, it's not possible. Otherwise, you would see this. And at that time, you didn't see somebody with two prosthetic legs snowboarding. So everything in that moment was, this isn't possible. My dream that I love so much, I'm never going to be able to do again. This is so much harder than I thought. At that point, there was no path. But I remember taking just a little bit of a breath. You know, I let myself break down for a minute and feel that feeling of pure defeat, like physically and literally defeat, but I felt it, right? I felt defeated in that moment. But then I thought, wait a second, if I can figure out a way to get my legs to not come off, if I can figure out a way to get my ankles to move the way that I need them to, maybe I can do this again.

47:57Amy Purdy:And this is when I learned that the challenges in our lives can only do two things. One, stop us dead in our tracks or two, force us to get creative. And so that's exactly what I did. I ended up going home and getting creative and figuring out a way to snowboard again, allowing myself to break down and then find some clarity so that I can get creative and move forward. It's that in-between moment. It's that moment where you can make a choice that changes everything and that changes your direction completely. Because I could have easily walked away from that day and never snowboarded again and said, this is clearly impossible.

48:38Amy Purdy:And even though I felt it for a minute, I let myself feel it. But then I kind of reframed it a little bit. Maybe it is possible. Maybe if I did this, it would be possible. I haven't tried everything yet. We can't give up on ourselves so quickly. I really agree with you. It kind of brings me to your book dedication. Everyone listening knows that I love a book dedication and yours really got me. You write to the person facing a challenge, whether it's a challenge you choose or a challenge that chooses you. When's the last time you chose challenge in your life? Every day of my life, even being here with you, to be honest.

49:15Amy Purdy:No way. Really? What do you mean? I'm actually quite an introvert. So even showing up on podcasts, being interviewed, even showing up on stage, which I've made a whole career out of speaking and corporate speaking, which is wild because I'm an introvert. I mean, maybe I'm an extrovert introvert. Like I can pull myself together to do things, but I'm quite shy. And I never felt like it was in me to get up on stage. I'm not the first person to grab a microphone and share my story, but yet I've made a career out of it. And I did it by challenging myself every single time just to see what the possibilities were.

49:58Amy Purdy:And I do that every single day. I feel like just moments like this, having this conversation, I think there's a lot of people out there that stop themselves from figuring things out because they don't think that they're cut out for it. And I think we all feel that way at times. That's why I'm sharing this, that even doing the things I've done, and I've done a million interviews, and I've been on TV, and I've been on stages, I still feel that way, too. And so choosing to take a challenge on just to grow, and just to see what the possibilities are, that's something that we can do big, like, oh, I'm going to run a 5k, or I'm going to start this new job or create a new business.

50:41Amy Purdy:Or that could be just the small day-to-day things like, I'm going to say yes to something that makes me uncomfortable and just see what's possible. Does it get easier for you over time? You start to trust yourself over time. I would say even on stage, I used to be so nervous. I mean, for years. And I've had a full speaking career at that time as well. And I was still so nervous every time I got on stage. In fact, I still get nervous. I get nervous, excited. I just try to reframe those nerves into excitement. I look at it like this is just energy, right? It could be nervous energy, or it can be excited energy.

51:17Amy Purdy:I'm going to choose to make it excited energy. But every single time that you have to step out of your comfort zone, it's uncomfortable. But those are the moments that you figure out what you're really made of. And those are the moments that you figure out what you love and what you're capable of doing. And those are the moments where you can go in any direction, all of a sudden, you know, doors may open that you didn't expect. For me, I think I'm constantly putting myself in a place of discomfort, just to grow and just to figure out what I'm capable of. When I did Dancing with the Stars, I had no idea I'd be able to dance on two prosthetic legs.

51:54Amy Purdy:It was the scariest thing ever. And I thought, I'm going to fail in front of millions of people. But then I thought, but I'm never going to know what I'm capable of unless I step out there and do it. And then I realized I was so much more capable than I ever thought. And that's what I hope for everybody. That's why I wrote this book. Because I feel like a lot of people think that some of us are just strong, or some of us are just resilient, or some of us just have it easy, when really, we all have the same possibilities within us. We just have to sometimes have a little guidance, maybe something to lean on just to know that we're not alone.

52:33Amy Purdy:And also a little guidance to get through those challenging times just to realize what we're capable of.

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56:32Your new book that you just mentioned is called Bounce Forward. And it is really about moving through uncertain times, which I think in 2026, we're all living through uncertain times in a lot of ways. And you devote an entire chapter to getting unstuck. And I really, really love that chapter. That feeling of stuckness is universal. It's something I've felt quite often in my life. And I know I always tell myself, Danielle, you're not a tree. Move. and then I try and move past it. But when you have a physical or mental or emotional stagnation, what helps you get past that feeling or what tends to help you get past it?

57:13Amy Purdy:By moving, even if it's not in the direction that is going to take you anywhere, literally just moving, even if you just move your body, it's really easy to get stuck and not know what comes next or not be inspired or, you know, just feel like nothing's moving, right? We all have times in our life where nothing's happening and maybe you get excited or you get used to big things happening. Then all of a sudden nothing's happening. And now you're stuck and you're lost and you don't know what comes next. Just by moving your body, just by going for a walk, just by going for a run, just by getting on the floor and doing sit-ups.

57:56Amy Purdy:I swear that when you move your body, your entire life moves. It gets the ball rolling, if nothing else. It's helped me so many times in my life. And I wrote this book. And in this book, I talk about a story of when I injured my legs seven years ago severely. And a lot of this book follows that journey of getting back on my feet again, going through all these surgeries, trying to figure out what's next for my life. And even in those moments where I was sitting in a wheelchair, I wasn't able to walk. I didn't know what came next. I would get on the floor and I would do push-ups and sit-ups and I would turn on my favorite music and I would move my body.

58:36Amy Purdy:And I swear that all of a sudden clarity would come. And then I would feel so much better and And I'd be able to come up with new ideas. I'd be more creative. I'd be more resilient. And so just by allowing yourself to move, just that simple thing. I mean, that's the opposite of being stuck in one place, right? I think we oftentimes wait for things to move us when we have to remember that the energy starts with us. We wait for things to come our way a lot of times for things to change, right? You can sit back and wait for things to change. But that energy really has to start with us. And it can be as easy as a decision.

59:19Amy Purdy:Just deciding to get up and move and do something different, get in your car, put on music, go for a drive, you get so much clarity, then you get ideas, all of a sudden, it feels like your whole life is moving. It all starts from just that spark of energy that you have to show up with. And we all have that. I think a lot of people, and when I say a lot of people, I think sometimes me too. So we all imagine hardship as sort of this chapter that you endure and then you move past. Because of what happened to you at 19, it feels like hardship is a repeat chapter for you. Like, what does it feel like when it repeats when you thought it was closed?

1:00:03Because you just mentioned seven years ago, you had this whole nother horrible experience.

1:00:09Amy Purdy:Yeah, I mean, you know, when I was 19, and I lost my legs, at that time, I was fighting for my life. And then seven years ago, I severely injured my left leg when my prosthetic pushed into my popliteal artery, it shut down the entire arterial system of my left leg. So I lost my femoral artery, my popliteal artery, I almost lost my leg all the way up to my hip. So even though I'm already an amputee, I lost my legs below the knees when I was 19. Now I was fighting for the rest of my leg. And the way that injury actually happened was doing all the stuff that I was doing on prosthetic legs, snowboarding and dancing and stuff that you don't normally do on prosthetic legs ended up severely injuring my leg.

1:00:54Amy Purdy:So when I was younger, people would always ask me how I got through my most difficult challenges. and I didn't really know how to answer that. I just kind of did. And I don't know if it was because I was younger, I was more resilient. I just kind of, I was like, I don't know. I just kept moving forward. When it happened a second time and I was completely knocked off my feet and this was big. I had 10 surgeries all during COVID, had no idea if I'd walk again. This time I became profoundly aware of the things that were helping me along the way. First of all, it was way more challenging as I was older going through this.

1:01:33Amy Purdy:You would think because I went through it before or something very heavy before that I would have been stronger this time. I surprisingly wasn't. I grieved so hard what I was losing because I had rebuilt my life for 20 years. I had gotten to a certain spot where I thought I went through my story. I thought that was my story. I lost my legs and then I went on to do all these amazing things. I thought that was my story and what it was going to be. Then all of a sudden I was knocked off my feet again. And I was at a point where I had no idea if I'd ever walk again. The doctor said, you'd be lucky if you'll even walk to the mailbox again.

1:02:11Amy Purdy:So here I figured out the possibilities, snowboarding on prosthetics, dancing on prosthetics, all these things I could do. Now I'm being told I may never be able to do those things again. I completely lost my identity. I grieved so hard and I was so worried about losing the rest of my leg. I didn't know who I was without my legs as I knew them. They became a huge part of my identity. These bionic prosthetic legs that I've used all these years became my identity. Now I was maybe losing those. And I became very aware, though, this time of what was helping me get through some of those moments like grief.

1:02:50Amy Purdy:What was helping me get through some of those moments like anxiety? I felt so much anxiety because I didn't know what the future held. I didn't know what I'd be able to do again. And I would spiral. I mean, I would panic attack at night because, you know, the sun would go down. All of a sudden the world would crush down on me. And I would think I'm never going to walk again. I'm never snowboarding again. I'm never doing the things I love again. Who am I if I don't do these things? What does the world even see me as? Now they're going to see me as this sad disabled girl. And that's not me at all.

1:03:24Amy Purdy:I just had this complete internal struggle. But then I'd have these little moments where I'd feel better. And then I would ask myself, okay, what just happened? Why do I feel better? And I would write those things down. And those things became the chapters of this book and really the framework of this book. It's those little things that helped me along the way. And I know that I went through major heavy stuff, but we all go through stuff every single day. And each one of these kind of tools and chapters and practices that I have in the book, they apply to no matter how big or small the challenge is.

1:04:02Amy Purdy:It could be a massive challenge like what I've gone through, injury or disability, whatever it may be. It could be a small challenge as well. Sometimes we just need, for one, be reminded of our own resilience. It's all in there. We just have to kind of have little things to lean on to help us get through those tough moments. And it's also sometimes the most simple of things that can get you through the hardest of times, like gratitude. That's something we talk about all the time. It's almost cliche now just to be grateful for what you have. But when you are facing some of your hardest moments, the more grateful you are, the easier it is to get through those challenges.

1:04:45Amy Purdy:You actually get through them and get to the other side and realize just how much you have. And then that starts to grow. Just little practices like practicing gratitude can completely change your life. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems from the outside that you've found so much meaning in so many of your losses. I'm wondering if there's ever been a loss in your life that you couldn't really find a silver lining to or where there was nothing to do, but to live with it, or if you feel like there really is meaning in all of it? I would say it was this injury. A lot of the time with this injury, it did not make sense to me.

1:05:23Amy Purdy:I did not know how it would lead to anything good or anything better than what I had already done. You know, when I lost my legs when I was 19, it made sense. I lost my legs and I went on to do these things. It was easy to say, oh, there's a silver lining. It led to here. I wouldn't have been here if I didn't go through that. Right. There was like a whole hero's journey you went through. Completely. And this time did not play out this way. I did not make it and still have not made it to the top of this mountain where I've looked back and said, I did it. Oh my gosh. And I'm so happy I went through what I went through.

1:05:58Amy Purdy:Like it has been such a journey. And I actually wrote this book in the middle of it because I realized that resilience isn't necessarily when you get to the other side and you've made it. Resilience is the climb and it's the things that help you put one step in front of the other and one foot in front of the other. That is resilience, but that's when you realize how strong you really are. And I think we just get so outcome focused on thinking that's where our happiness lies, but really the fulfillment of life really is in the journey and sometimes in the hardest parts of the journey. Those are the moments that stick with you the most.

1:06:40Amy Purdy:Those are the moments where you learn more about yourself. You learn more about your relationships. You get closer to God or spirit, whatever it may be. And ultimately, I think closer to your purpose. You have to go through that pain to be connected to what matters most to you. And this journey has just taught me that because I haven't made it to the other side. I don't know what the other side looks like right now. But I'll tell you, I've also chosen to make sense of it. I haven't really sat back and waited for, do I think this was meant to be? Because there's amazing things that happened on the other side.

1:07:18I have chosen to make this make sense for me. Amy, I love how you said that. Because if I can be so transparent with you, you are so unbelievably positive that I think sometimes people could hear your story and think, that's just how she is. Like, I can't be like that. You know, like, she must have this temperament that I don't have. I love hearing you say that it was a choice. That makes so much sense to me.

1:07:48Amy Purdy:It is a choice. It is. It is funny, too, because I'll be honest. I mean, if my husband was here, he'll probably say she's not the most positive. I go through the same thing that everybody else would go through. I promise you. And every challenge that I faced, I have dealt with the exact same emotions that every single person I think would deal with. I think it just depends on what you do with them and how quickly you can reframe your situation. I've learned in my life. I'm an excellent reframer. I think I've had to be. I actually wrote a chapter on reframing in the book because it really is kind of our greatest tool that we have to get through adversity.

1:08:28Amy Purdy:It's knowing that you can change your own mind and it's trying to see other perspectives. And the quicker you can do that, the quicker you can get through a difficult situation. And it could be a difficult situation that's, again, like just a simple one, like your day is not going right. And then just, well, maybe it's not supposed to, maybe I'm supposed to take a break and take a breath, you know, framing a situation versus kind of sitting and letting yourself stay stuck in a negative emotion. It's, let me see a different perspective really quick and see if I can get myself out of this. I mean, I think my brain has just been trained to do that now because I've gone through so many difficult situations.

1:09:10Amy Purdy:I've trained myself to see the positive or to see the opportunity in the challenge. And I think that's something that we all do. I agree with you. You made the choice to have it be meaningful. It's really a beautiful statement.

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1:13:45you know you pose this question in the book that i love so after you write about having to learn to walk again you say that for so long you were sure that your purpose was to push physical limits and suddenly you found yourself asking who am i and what is my purpose now i would love to know your answer to that question today? Do you feel like you found it?

1:14:06Amy Purdy:I think our purpose can change, first of all. I think that's important to know, because we oftentimes think that there's one purpose and we're constantly trying to find it. And I think that we create it in the moments that we're in. What is driving you? That's your purpose. That's it. And so I would say right now, I found my purpose for the moment. And I think my purpose for the moment was to write this book, write the things that have helped me along the way so that I could help others do the same so that, you know, I could help people on their journey as well. That feels like a good purpose.

1:14:48Amy Purdy:That feels like it makes sense for why I've gone through what I've gone through. And so I'd say I know my purpose for right now. I don't necessarily know what my purpose will be in the future. And that's fine, because we're always changing and we're always growing. And I think when we lean into whatever it is that pains you, that's where you'll find your purpose. Because what pains you is what then can motivate you and what can give you drive to make change or make things happen. And so we need to not avoid the pain. We need to lean into it, feel it, let it make us angry, or let it make us sad.

1:15:36Amy Purdy:Let it make us feel something. That's where we find our drive. And our drive really is our purpose. Like that's what gets you up every day. That's what gets you moving forward. I guess to answer your question, I mean, I think the pain that I've gone through over the last seven years has led me to my purpose right now of writing this book and helping others through their journey as well. Love that advice. Think about where your pain is stemming from. I mean, one of the most common questions I think I hear is how do I find my purpose? It's a beautiful sort of compass. And we think that our purpose is outside of us and just like this beautiful, big, shiny thing, like something that's just positive.

1:16:21Amy Purdy:But really, you oftentimes get there through the pain that you feel. I mean, you think about anything, you think about somebody who starts a nonprofit, an organization, a lot of times that comes because nothing existed before that there needs to be support in this area, you know, maybe somebody lost a child, and now they started a foundation in their name because that pain motivates you to do something, to make change. All of a sudden, you find your purpose in that pain. And we want to avoid our pain, but our pain is really what brings us deeper into our lives, into what matters most in our lives and who we are and what's important to us.

1:17:04Amy Purdy:And that is what opens the doors to finding or making purpose in our life. Amen. I saw you recently speak about not being able to snowboard in the last seven years. And I'm curious if you have completely closed that chapter or if you think you'll find your way back onto a board anytime. I have not closed the chapter. I still have dreams that I'll be able to snowboard again. This thing that saved my life, that gave me life. It's how I met my husband. It's how we started our organization, Adaptive Action Sports. It has been the core part of my life. I have not been able to do for seven years. And it has been devastating at times.

1:17:51Amy Purdy:And I've grieved it heavily. And if I think too hard about it, I can still grieve it. But I choose to believe that if it's meant to happen, it will happen. But I also accept where I'm at today. And that's taken some time. For quite some time, quite a few years, I did not accept where I was at. I did try to get back. And I realized at some point that is not happening. Seven years has passed. And it's just one little kind of baby step at a time that keeps moving me forward. I keep getting closer. I know that if I can walk comfortably again in prosthetics, like very long distances, then I'll be able to snowboard in prosthetics again.

1:18:28Amy Purdy:But do I know if that's going to happen? No. And so I've just chosen to be present with where I'm at right now. do everything I can with what I've got. That's what I've always done is just focused on what I have. And that has brought a lot of fulfillment. Okay. I can speak and I can talk to people and connect with people in this way that brings fulfillment. You know, we have our organization, we help other people snowboard who have disabilities that brings fulfillment. And I've just chosen to lean into the moment and that's helping me get by. That's why I wrote it in the book as well. And we'll just have to see what the future holds.

1:19:10Amy Purdy:I'm not sure. But I'll tell you what, if I do get on my snowboard again, it's going to be a party. Hell yeah, it is. I want videos. I want pizza. I want a DJ. It's going to be a moment. I might come out, everybody celebrate. I've envisioned that happening. But again, I'm like, I just wrote a book called bounce forward. It's not about getting back. It really is like, let's just see where it goes. And I also have chosen to accept where I'm at. And that gives you so much freedom. Are you competitive with everything? Are you a competitive Monopoly player, Uno player, everything? You would think I'm competitive because of the things I've done being a competitive athlete, but I don't actually feel that competitive.

1:19:54Amy Purdy:At least I'm not competitive against anybody else. I really am just always trying to figure out what can I do? What can I do on two prosthetic legs? I have no idea. and I have no idea until I do it. And so, yeah, I think I'm just always trying to figure out the possibilities. I just think we're capable of so much. We don't even realize that. We stop ourselves before we even get started with things. We believe we can't do things because of one excuse or another. And I really do think that we have so much potential when we believe it and we don't get in our own way. Do you mind if I ask you a few rapid fire questions?

1:20:31Sure.

1:20:35Okay, what's your favorite Madonna song?

1:20:38Amy Purdy:Like a prayer. I thought you were going to say like a virgin. Like a prayer. What is the most unexpected dance move that you nail? Spinning in the air. I don't know if you saw our finale dance on Dancing with the Stars, but I spun in the air with one hand holding onto one just little rope through the air. It was unbelievable, and I would have never imagined I could do it. That was wild. It was wild. And I learned that in half a day. Like that's something that can take months or years for these acrobats to do. I did it in half a day, but I was also the strongest I've ever been. So I definitely wouldn't be able to do it today.

1:21:15But you did it then. You did it. That's what matters. What is your most underrated skill set?

1:21:19Amy Purdy:Honestly, I think I'm just extremely determined. What's your best fashion accessory? My legs, my prosthetic legs, of course. What is the TV show everyone needs to watch? I'm the worst at TV. I literally don't watch TV. Do you watch movies or you're a reader? What do you do to wind down? I'm like a brain wanderer. I take a bath. I put candles on. I let my brain just kind of wander. I don't know what I do with my nighttime. Sometimes I cook. My husband's a movie watcher and I cannot get into it. I'm always doing other projects or cooking or, you know, doing something else at the same time. What is something that every woman should try once?

1:22:00Amy Purdy:If you don't do like the whole spa, which a lot of people don't, I'm surprised there's a lot of women who don't do massages and stuff. Like do that because just to have a quiet moment with yourself, you start to realize, oh, I carry tension in my shoulders. Oh, I need to relax. Even emotions will come up. We all need to take care of ourselves. Self-care is so important for women specifically. We take on so much. So I would say give yourself a day at the spa, get a massage, relax, and let yourself truly decompress. What is a book that you've read that changed your life, something you think everybody should read?

1:22:39Amy Purdy:There's a book that's very old called Your Thoughts Can Change Your Life by an author named Donald Curtis. And it's hard to find that book. It's one of the very first self-help books, I believe. I think it was written maybe in the 40s or 50s. And I read it after I lost my legs. And it completely changed my life because it actually confirmed what I already believed about visualization, about the possibilities, about manifestation, but not in this like out there magical way, in this way that you can tangibly make these things happen in your life and just how the world is connected. When I read that when I was younger, it just helped me make sense of where I was at after losing my legs.

1:23:25Amy Purdy:And I also found some really magical things connect after I read that book, where I thought, oh, this is exactly what this book was talking about. So it's kind of confirmed in me what I've already known. And I always go back to that book speaks truth. So if you can find it, I think they're like on eBay at this point. Okay. I'm going to ask you a question from the question everything card game. You tell me when to stop. Stop. Okay. What is a lyric, poem, mantra, or quote that you hold on to tightly? You know, the one that I wrote in my book is Be Here Now. And obviously it's not one that I created.

1:24:02Amy Purdy:I've heard it a ton. There's a movie out there called Be Here Now that deeply impacted me when I was going through some of my toughest days. It's a documentary and it's about just being present and the power of presence. I even wrote it down on a little note card. I put it in my wallet so that every time I open my wallet, I see be here now. And it just reminds me to be in the present moment because in the present moment, everything is okay. And we realize that we are okay. My last question for you is, do you ever think of trying to find that man that you massaged three weeks before your meningitis?

1:24:41Amy Purdy:I, to be honest, don't think that he would be alive now because he was quite older when I massaged him. I wish I had looked back and I think I didn't because my fight to survive was so long. And, you know, suddenly I was just in that space and it wasn't really until years later that I really reflected back and wrote my first book about it. And I think at that point, I figured that he had maybe crossed over to the other side, officially. But yeah, I do think about it. And actually, that's probably one of the biggest questions I get from people is, did I ever try to find him again? And I'm not sure at this point if I'd be able to, but I'm so grateful that he came into my life.

1:25:26Amy Purdy:Just him telling me that everything was going to be okay and to don't be scared. Just that may have been enough to allow me to move forward and know that I was going to be okay. Our words carry so much power. And I think that we can maybe all be that guy for other people, right? Like we could be the person saying, hey, you're amazing. You're going to go through hard things, but just know that you're going to get through it. and you're going to do amazing and you're going to have an incredible life. Oh, where are your tears coming from? What are you feeling? Just those words were so powerful for me.

1:26:06Amy Purdy:I think that those words can be so powerful for other people as well. And we need to remember that we can help each other. And we're here to do that. I think that's why we're here is to connect and to help each other grow. We need each other. And yet we get so separated because of our phones and our day-to-day lives. And we get so caught up in our own stuff. We all do. I do. But I think just remembering truth, which is we need each other. And sometimes we just need to know that we're not alone and we need to hear kind words from each other to help us believe in ourselves. His words really helped save your life.

1:26:47Amy Purdy:They did. You know, going back to the question you asked before, if things are really meant to be or kind of how all that works out, I sometimes think about it as words. And I think, did he know that I was going to be okay, and that my life would go on and I would do amazing things? Or did him just telling me that give me the belief that I could do that? And so then I did. And that's why I say that words have power. I think that even just him saying, when you cross over, don't be scared. You're going to go on and do amazing things. I think just that belief, this guy said it, so I'm going to choose to believe it, was enough for me to survive something that very few people survive.

1:27:33Amy Purdy:And that's the power of belief. Thank you so much, Amy. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

1:27:43Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day to have a good day. I'll see you next week.

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