Savannah James + April McDaniel: “Everybody’s Crazy.” Stop Pretending You’re Not

12:05April McDaniel:No, I'm a Taurus.

12:06Danielle Robay:Oh. How's that in dating? Like when you text men Are they like Where's the emoji?

12:11April McDaniel:Girl They are so confused

12:12Danielle Robay:They're confused And then she's like What should I say?

12:15April McDaniel:And then I'd be like You know what? Forget it Like I'm not pressed So then I'm just like I think that that is a challenge Because trying to translate my texting Is like decoding the Da Vinci code

12:29Savannah James:But when you know you know Like okay I got it Got it You gotta know the April code Not the Da Vinci code

12:35April McDaniel:Yes, it's like my code, but I'm not warm. I'm no like, good morning. How are you? I'm like, it's very direct. There's no, there's no salutation. No.

12:44Savannah James:Oh, there's no hello. No, no, no, no, no. Oh. And it used to get on my nerves like because she'll, there'll be no salutation. But then it's, are you alive? Can I get a hey? How you doing? Are you alive? Like, but now I know she's busy moving a mile, a hundred miles a minute.

13:01April McDaniel:So she's on CEO. If I'm texting you, that means I care. Period. Good point. Because I believe in people on red.

13:09Danielle Robay:Like, that was my next question is who leaves who on red?

13:13April McDaniel:She leaves me on red every single time. I fucking hate it. She's got a lot going on in her defense. She likes to rest her soul. I'm like, I used to say to her, I wish you had a house phone. Because I would call the house phone. And then it would be unplugged. So good thing we don't. That's what I mean. Like being an old lady, who has a house phone anymore? I would like, but I would say things like, I wish you had a house phone. I'll call her sister. I'm like, where is Savannah? They're like, oh, she's here at the house right here. I'm like, yeah, but it's not to be taken personal.

13:42Savannah James:Like I tell all my friends, like, I love you so much, but I'm probably not going to respond as soon as you text me. And I'm probably going to forget after that. So I'm really bad with texting. I tell people all the time, if you want me, call me, FaceTime me. I'm much better with that.

13:54Danielle Robay:Yeah. Well, I actually, I was at some sort of skincare event a few years ago. and you guys were speaking and you said you hate email all the things and so you're just not right

14:06April McDaniel:now i love email i'm in love with it really what my dream to answer 700 emails a day

14:14Danielle Robay:at least oh see i'm with savannah on this it trains me i'm like are you okay how is anybody

14:20April McDaniel:making money over here completely composed yes beautiful that part though i'm like how you making money with no email what do they call it mailbox money listen whatever it is i'm

14:32Danielle Robay:so wait who's the bad influence i can't even guess her yeah savannah me i'm the orchestrator though so who's the worst i just got the idea she gonna make it

14:47April McDaniel:happen yeah fast i'm like what are we doing okay here we go where we need to be boom boom boom it's

14:53Savannah James:arranged we're there yeah but i just think that i'm the one that's more like let's just do it and Are you sure?

15:00April McDaniel:I'm like, yeah, let's just go. And then to question it after, are you sure? And then we'd be there and she's like, how do we get here?

15:05Danielle Robay:I said, what did you say you wanted to do it?

15:08April McDaniel:Like, okay, we go thug it out. Yeah, so I feel like she's more edgier in her approach. But I love edge. So, like, I encourage you. I see that. Yes. The shenanigans. Yeah. Yeah, like, I, like, love it. I, like, I'm like, ooh, yes, let's do it. We not going too far. I don't know. We not doing too much. definitely ride the brim. Like sometimes people be like, y 'all was where? I was like, yeah, we was there. Like, but we're hiding and I got 70 security. They think Barack Obama's in there, but I'm doing it. But we're not going to die. That's the thing. We're not going to die. We're a survivor. Yes, exactly.

15:44April McDaniel:We know. So we won't die, but we're going to experience it. And we'll do it for 30 minutes and be like, all right, time to go.

15:51Danielle Robay:Just get a little taste. Are you both good at keeping the secret of what happened in the story? Or does anybody else listen to it?

15:57Savannah James:Yeah, it's typically no secret. Really? No.

16:01Danielle Robay:Just outside.

16:02April McDaniel:Because the people won't say they saw us. And we was like, we did. And we were. You know what I mean? I don't think it's a secret. Someone said to me the other day, like, you're very mysterious. And I don't think that that is intentional. But I do move very intentionally. So I don't move intentionally for you not to see me. But I move intentionally in case something goes down. So I, like, kind of lead with that. So you're probably not going to see me because you're going to see somebody else. And you're like, was that them? I'm not really sure. So it's not that I mean to be mysterious, but I also don't think it's for everybody.

16:36April McDaniel:Yeah. And I think that that is part of the world. Like we do stuff, but we never post it. We're doing everything that everybody else is doing, but we don't post it.

16:45Danielle Robay:And so, okay. I have a question about that. Yeah. Do you not post because you look at Instagram as like a workplace or do you not post because you, it's like evil eye jealousy. Like, why do you not post?

16:57Savannah James:I don't post because I'm living in the moment. Like, I don't even think about posting something. Like, for me, social media, if I'm posting something, it's like, okay, I'm going to do this. Or, oh, that's a pretty picture. I want somebody else to see it. Or I'm just randomly like, I'm going to record this video with my daughter. Are we going to post it? It's never like, oh, I'm going here. I got to make sure I put that content out. Like, I'm just, if I'm somewhere and I'm having a good time, I'm having a good time. I'm not worried about posting it or making sure people know that I did the thing.

17:25Danielle Robay:Have you been able to share that with your kids? Because they grew up in like a whole different generation. I have.

17:31Savannah James:And I think just by seeing they do the same. Neither one of my kids or the older boys, they do not care about social or posting or letting people know anything. That's so cool. My daughter is more in the TikTok era. So she likes to do the trendy dances and stuff like that. But no, I think it just comes from seeing. Yeah. They just don't have interest.

17:52April McDaniel:And I think posting for me feels one, like for what? Who are these people? That's what I think to myself, like, and who cares? Like, and I, it's funny. A few years ago, I started April's office, but people will be like, I DM you there. I'm like, I don't run that page. I never go in the DMs ever. Like it gives me anxiety. I don't want to pick anyone up. I have my own little page. I post the most weird, funny things that I think are hilarious and no one will get. And I don't care. Like, I think a lot of the world we live in, people are doing things for visibility, for money, for the people. And I just feel like, for what?

18:36April McDaniel:Because everybody is actually crazy. Like, I actually do believe that. So, like, who are you to judge me on what I'm doing? Because whatever you're doing not on Instagram is probably nuts.

18:46Danielle Robay:But do you know how refreshing that is? Like I interview so many people that have public personas and like a lot of people you wouldn't expect behind the scenes are obsessed with curating. Yes. What everybody sees. But that's why it looks fake.

18:59Savannah James:And that's why people are not authentic. I look cute right now. 90 % of the time, I look like a homeless person. So I'm going to tell you right now, there is nothing to post.

19:07Danielle Robay:I feel like you are like your homeless is actually good. Girl, no, it's homeless. Really? It's definitely bonnet. I respect that.

19:14Savannah James:And I'd be like, what in there? No, I hate your bonnet.

19:16Danielle Robay:So I'm like, can you not wear the bonnet?

19:19Savannah James:I feel great in this bonnet, in this world, in these jogger pants. I love this for me.

19:23Danielle Robay:I respect that. It's a Midwest thing, too.

19:26Savannah James:Maybe that's what it is. I'm the same. Okay. See?

19:28April McDaniel:I'm not going to wear a bonnet. I'm not going to do that. I like to be a little bit more. That's one step too far. Yes. But that's the difference in us. Like, I think, but we both are authentically ourselves. And I think that that is the challenge for me with the world in a lot of ways is people feel like they can't be themselves. They have to be what you want to see. And I'm like, I don't care what you want to say.

19:52Danielle Robay:It's amazing.

19:53April McDaniel:This is this is who we are and this is how we feel. And that's why we haven't gone on a lot of podcasts and had a lot of conversations because some things don't feel organic to us. You know, like when you think about a podcast, I was like, you need to scale the show. You need to do this. You need to do that. And then we go on and we look at all these lists and we like, oh, like, could we mesh with this person? Could we have a real conversation? Could we be ourselves? Or does this feel like performative? And I think.

20:21Danielle Robay:Wow, I'm so honored now. Yeah.

20:23April McDaniel:So I feel like it's like really for us is where we're going to feel comfortable. That's our first judge of like, can you really handle it? Because we're with the shit and we're fun and we're professional. And it doesn't fit in a box like people wanted to. People wanted to look a certain way. And we like, we don't care. Like we're just happy to be here And whatever it is And so I think that That is the uniqueness of us And the show of Everybody's Crazy Is like we do feel like Everybody has a little bit of crazy So like at the end of the day Why hide that?

20:57Danielle Robay:What was the first moment That that phrase clicked for you both? Like when you were like Oh, everybody's crazy I use that phrase

21:02April McDaniel:Four million times a year

21:04Savannah James:Like literally I say it a lot And we both do I think it would always come from us So we would have these like download conversations. Anytime we don't see each other, it's like she got notes of the stuff that she needed to tell me. I keep notes when I don't talk to her. And we catch up. And once we're done with all the things that we're talking about, it's giving, you know, everybody is crazy. The new saying is, are you okay?

21:27April McDaniel:Are you okay? That's the new one. Are you okay? I was like, they're not okay. It's not okay. So I think it's gone from crazy to like, are you okay? Because I'm like, these people are not okay. That's the follow up. Yeah, but I feel like it just was really natural. Yeah.

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24:55Danielle Robay:So when you started the show, what was your answer to the idea of like, what crazy are you okay with? Because I know that's what you started out with. Is there a crazy you're okay with?

25:08April McDaniel:Yeah, a lot of things. Really? I am crazy. I am, to answer 700 emails a day, not normal. That's crazy. It's not normal. I get up at four o 'clock in the morning. By the time I came here, I've had nine conference calls already today. You also look like you do CrossFit or something amazing in the gym. Don't work out a lick. Have eaten a cookie this morning and a tea. Like, have talked to my kids. I'm a machine. So, like, I feel like I'm a little abnormal. But I feel like embodying the way you can be different instead of trying to be like everybody else doesn't make you, like, not fit in. It just makes you crazy cool.

25:49Danielle Robay:I love that.

25:50April McDaniel:So I feel like that is really who we are. And how about you're crazy?

25:56Savannah James:No, I just feel like a lot of people, like we were talking about with social media, you try to curate things and button them up like everything is perfect. And I think the platform for me is just giving a sense of like, it's okay to not have that. Like, it's okay for things to be a little rough around the edges and for you to not have all the answers. So that's how I look at it. Like, just from an overall perspective of everybody has a little bit of something that they're dealing with.

26:19Danielle Robay:It's okay. I think that's really powerful. I sort of have this armchair theory that anybody doing something creative is doing it to heal a part of them. Were you kind of saying that to yourself? Absolutely.

26:34Savannah James:Me being in front of this microphone, in front of a camera, talking to you, talking to people, seeing this, it's crazy for me because I'm the type of person that I'm okay with sitting there. I'm okay with that. Like I may have a thought about it. I don't have to let you know what my thoughts are. I'm just I'm OK with just being. But this was an exercise for me to start to use my voice and be open with my thoughts and the things that I find interesting and important or whatever. So it has been for sure an exercise for me of like a therapy, really.

27:10Danielle Robay:But after like 20 something years of just kind of doing that, what changed? Why did you decide to step out?

27:19Savannah James:To be honest, I think it had a lot to do with just growing and feeling a lot more confident in who I am as a person. I think a lot of the sitting there and being agreeable was because I wasn't confident in what I had to say or in myself specifically. So as I took the time to learn myself and grow, specifically more so for my daughter, like I had a little girl and I'm like, yeah, we ain't doing it. we're not going to do this again. So let me do what I have to do in order to be better for her so that she knows that the sky is the limit for her. She can say what she likes, what she doesn't like, stand on it, like have a strong opinion about all of the things.

28:00Savannah James:So it was really just me knowing that I had to do better for her.

28:05Danielle Robay:I was reading that you, she said to you, Zuri said to you that she wanted to be just like you and it scared you.

28:11Savannah James:It was the most terrifying thing that I've ever heard. The most terrifying thing. Cause I'm like, well what is it that you see in me because i didn't see it in myself oh my god so i'm like oh let me let me get this let me figure this out let me let me do this so this is really a therapy for me for us to have everybody's crazy and be able to give my opinion like people call about super light things but they call about super heavy things too and a lot of things i haven't personally experienced so it's interesting for me to in real time because i'm more of a let me Let me get back to you type of person But in real time to like give you a quick answer Or just what I think about this situation Is it's a process It is still an ongoing experience But it's a lovely one And I think that the journey has been good

28:57Danielle Robay:It's so fun as a viewer to watch you too Because you guys have different opinions sometimes And so like a lot of times But like April you'll go first And I'm like yes I agree And then Savannah goes and I'm like wait Maybe I agree Yes. So it really works. Yeah.

29:13April McDaniel:And I think it is everyone needs perspective and perspective to me comes through friendship. Yeah. Comes through partnership, comes through being with people. So even when I'm like, you need to hang with your friends is not just to be with them. It also is like temperature check what you're thinking, because I think sometimes people are thinking in a vacuum and I'm like, that sounds crazy. Like you need to tell somebody what you're thinking. Like, let's figure out how to make this work. You know what I mean? And I think that is what friendship is for. So I think everybody's crazy gives people the opportunity that may be a bit more isolated or a bit more scared or a bit more cautious to get perspective and not be judged.

29:56April McDaniel:Are you surprised by the types of things that people call in with?

29:59Danielle Robay:Yes. Because sometimes I listen and I'm like, do they know that their voice is live?

30:04April McDaniel:Yeah, I think for me, the biggest thing was seeing how so many young girls have so much pressure on themselves right now. Like when I was 23, I was just living like it was no documentation. You weren't doing anything. And I was doing everything like, you know what I mean? And we get so many calls from young girls anywhere from like 17 to like 25. It's like we should be doing this. Like people graduating college a week ago. I'm like, I don't have a job. I did it like stress. I'm like, girl, what in the world? No, calm down. I'm like, that can be so debilitating. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think because of everything is documented and you're seeing what everybody else is doing, there's a level of pressure.

30:49April McDaniel:And I feel like that's unfair to yourself. So I think I'm most surprised about how hard people are on themselves. I wouldn't have guessed that either, but that was the takeaway. I'm like, what? We get so, even young boys. Yeah. Like young, like 12, 15. Wow. Yes. It is wild. I'm like, this is, and it just goes to show you the times that we're in.

31:14Danielle Robay:What's the biggest realization that both of you have had, like doing this show that you kind of want to flex now? We want to flex? I'm funny. Very. You are funny. I co-sign that. I didn't realize I was so funny. I am funny.

31:32Savannah James:Oh, it's giving. Your little one-liners be hitting. They be hitting. They be hitting. I think, yeah. What's a realization? I guess I would say maybe that we're not, I mean, I guess we could be considered aunties, but maybe that because we have such, our demographic is so much younger, like she was saying, that

31:49Danielle Robay:calls us, that we do still have like a cool factor that can be relatable. Oh, you do. Have you seen your Instagram? Everyone's trying to dress like you. I heard that Savannah yes

32:01Savannah James:Like it's a little It's still giving cool So Yeah I think that that I mean I think we knew We were cool But I think just Understanding the generational Gap And where the kids are now And to how we Kind of give the information It's just a cool Like Through line That I think is Pretty Pretty interesting

32:18Danielle Robay:I feel like your daughter Is probably not old enough But imagine like She's gonna love that closet Oh my gosh She got so much stuff Tucked away for her Yeah, archives Do you guys, like, does the same You said that you're a machine Does the same person show up in business As you do personally Or is there like a different part of you that shows up as CEO I would say there's a switch

32:41Savannah James:Okay, I think Across the board, yes, very type A I am very type G I wasn't even gonna go with the first five But I do think There is a side of April that she shares with her nearest and dearest that is very much not like how she shows up as a CEO or as the woman who most people know her as.

33:06Danielle Robay:Can you say more if you're comfortable?

33:08Savannah James:Yeah. She is a lover girl. She is a little tenderoni. Very soft, very feminine, very much nurturing and only wants the best for you. It could come off intense in the workplace, but it's going to come off with so much love and care and consideration on the other side. We can't watch a movie. I like Tyler Perry movies. She doesn't watch them, but they have a really heavy topic to them typically. I just watch them over and over again because I love it. We watch Diary of a Mad Black Woman. I'm sitting there. I watch it every time it comes on, and we're watching. Next thing I know, I hear. I said, April, are you crying?

33:54Savannah James:I can't do it I can't take this I'm so empathetic for this But I just think that's so sweet To be able to feel through the screen In this Tyler Perry movie That she is really in her feels right now That is so sweet Very much sensitive thug I like to call her

34:12Danielle Robay:That's beautiful You're making me laugh because I came home from I'm from Chicago and I came home Like for a long weekend one time And my mom was just in bed watching Tyler Perry over and over again. And she's so emotional about, she's invested in these characters. Oh my gosh. And then she got me into it.

34:29Savannah James:I was like, thanks, but no thanks. She's like, I can't, but never got up and left. She's like, I can't do this. They're good. I can't do this. It's good.

34:37April McDaniel:I like all the drama. Yeah, I feel like that is a great way to describe me.

34:41Danielle Robay:Can you do the opposite? Because you did kind of mention that she has a lot behind that pretty face.

34:48April McDaniel:Yes, I think Savannah is by far, the coolest the first and there is a level of class with mysteriousness a little bit ratchet

35:09April McDaniel:she doesn't want anyone to know no it's fine but i agree like the best combo that you're like Like, did I just see that? Did that just happen? And I'm always so shocked. I mean, knows all the dances, knows all the things. But then at the same time, is the strongest person I know. And for me to say that, I'm a savage. When we got close, I was like, I met my match.

35:43Danielle Robay:Wow.

35:44April McDaniel:Because you've been through it. Yes. And I was like, oh, I see it. The difference is she carries it with such a level of grace that is abnormal. I don't think anybody else could do it.

35:58Danielle Robay:Can I ask you a therapy question? How did it feel to hear her say that?

36:07Savannah James:We've had these conversations, so it's not something that I haven't heard her say before. But again, when I was talking about not seeing yourself in the way that other people see you, it's just, I guess it just kind of confirms the work that is being done. And it's nice to hear.

36:29April McDaniel:It's really beautiful. I mean, I actually look at for me. I'm like, I could do life with her. And that is what friendship is about to me. Like, you're not supposed to do it for like a second. Like life brings you these winds of like things that you cannot control. And because I've been there, everything for me is can I do life with this person? That's the friend soulmate thing. Yes. Like everything is like, can you really handle what we can't control? You know what I mean? Because a lot of things we can't control. And I don't want to have to call a friend and they can't, I'm not asking them to do anything, but there is a weight that comes with being in the world that both of us walk in.

37:13April McDaniel:And I think that that weight is not for the faint at heart. And I think that not a lot of people are built for that. Like they're not, you know what I mean? I think we are intentional risk takers and it is, and we are radical. And I think when you're that kind of combo, it is like, we liable to do anything. Like we could do anything. We'd be like, Oh yeah, let's like today, like yesterday when you guys sent the address and said, man, I was like, Oh shoot. They buy Santiali. I'm like, yeah, let's go to Santiali. And then this morning I got dressed. I wore the bag I wore. I was like, Ooh, I don't know if I'm being married.

37:54April McDaniel:You know, like, again, I think who would ever guess a Friday at two, we're walking down Santy Alley. Like, I think, but that's what we want to do. Yeah. And it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? So I think that that is just really what life is about.

38:12Danielle Robay:It's really special. The bond that you guys have. I feel like one of the things that we're like sort of talking around is the fact that you been married to one of the most famous men ever and you know him at home and we all know him in front of the scenes and everybody is different at home and in front of the scenes. I feel like it must be so annoying to, and hard to love somebody that is like part of the world.

38:45Savannah James:Yeah, it's hard. It's been a process. But I would say the one thing about LeBron James is he's very consistent in that.

38:55Danielle Robay:That's nice.

38:56Savannah James:He's very consistent. So it makes it easy. And we've known each other. I mean, I've known him more than I've been alive, if that makes sense. Well, I've known him longer than I've had the opportunity to live a life, obviously. I've known him since I was 16. Yeah, like we got 21, 19, 11-year-old kid. Like that's a long time considering I am 21.

39:24Danielle Robay:Yeah, that's crazy.

39:26Savannah James:So, I mean. That is crazy. What are we talking about? But no, yeah, like I'm about to be 40 though. So I'm actually, that's another milestone. How are you going to celebrate? I'm going to have a party. Themed? No, not themed. Just a good time. I just want to have a good time. I want to go to Austria in the winter to a wellness clinic and just kind of chill out. I love all that kind of stuff. So I'm having a party. But yeah, it's easy when he's consistent. He definitely shows who he is in his strength, in his inspirational ways on the court. But when he's home, it translates just opposite for being a husband, being a father, but all very much the same.

40:12Danielle Robay:Well, I was just thinking even with your business reframe, like even the name feels personal to me. Like what parts of building the brand about reframing how you see yourself and how the world sees you came to be?

40:27Savannah James:um so I feel like I'm really good at naming things but when it came to this adventure and this this project I was having the hardest time with finding a name and I I feel like it was because it was something that I was really wanting to put everything that I had into this is like a passion um I don't want to call it a project but a passion that I want to put into the world and I needed it to be right and I could not think of it so I get my best thoughts when I'm in the shower and it just came to me and it all made sense because when I was thinking of the brand, it was just like, you know, what the beauty industry is very saturated.

41:05Savannah James:It's a lot of the same. How can I stand apart and how can I reframe how people look at beauty? It doesn't always have to be 10 step routines. It doesn't always have to be, you know, just coming out with things that already exist i don't know i just i felt like reframing everything that you think of when it comes to beauty is what i want to do i we've established that i'm cool so let's tell it all the people that i'm cool and the things that i'm thinking of are cool but like i don't know i just i don't know i just want to reframe how things have been done for for hundreds of years what do you think is the biggest misconception about savannah james oh i've heard that i'm standoffish.

41:52Savannah James:I'm not standoffish at all. I'm very friendly. I may have the guard up, but once you get to know me, I'm really funny and cool and fun. I like to have a good time. And I think another misconception I would guess I would say is that I don't have anything to say. I have lots to say. I just need a minute to process it.

42:16Danielle Robay:And you're starting to say it. You have a whole story that at some point you'll tell. Maybe. Maybe.

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43:49Danielle Robay:No, seriously, guys, it is time for sorority rush. Join Daisy Kent, Gia Judice, and Jennifer Fessler and the sorority girls with the inside dirt. This is the only place you get the truth about sorority life because we are telling it like it really is. Before you hit the game day and frat parties, you better listen up. Don't miss dirty rush.

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44:33Savannah James:same tune at games we hug total strangers and yet in these moments there's also something we don't do. We don't act based on how they look, who they love, where they're from, or what they believe. We just act. Because the things that make us different will never change what makes us human. Go to lovehasnolabels.com to learn more. Brought to you by Love Has No Labels and the Eye Council.

45:01Danielle Robay:We've all been there. We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano, and on my podcast, Unshaken with Gary V, I sit down with amazing personalities and we talk about the seasons that nearly broke them, the lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary V on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

45:40Danielle Robay:April, you know, when you were coming on the show, all of the producers were like, April, like they've been knowing about your business and your CEO hat. How has it been championing Savannah putting her CEO hat on?

45:58April McDaniel:I'm so proud. Like, I think it's really hard to be a CEO. And I tell people a lot of times if I had to do it again, I don't know if that would have been my choice. Like I really love being a number two.

46:11Danielle Robay:But you like, I mean, you've been leading girl by CEO hood is ghetto.

46:20April McDaniel:Yeah. I feel like that I probably wouldn't pick that. I feel like a lot comes with that. But I think a lot of pivoting and being resourceful in the way I explain myself is a lot of what CEOs embody. So it's like, oh, well, you should be a CEO. And I'm like, I probably would have given it more thought. Interesting. But I think patience with Savannah. I think you can't push somebody to explore. They have to do it on their own. So I've given her like I had an executive coach or I did this. I'm like, try this, do that. That hopefully is a cheat code to how I got here. And I also worked with two amazing guys for 12 years, Noah Tepperberg and Jason Strauss, that I love, love, love, love, love.

47:12April McDaniel:And they taught me so much, especially as a black woman, like working for two white Jewish guys. Wait, say more about that. Yeah. That's so interesting. I was 22 and they used to call me little boss. They were like, little boss is going to do it. And that was a great number two relationship. Like I was their number two and they would just like put me in rooms I would never be in like with like Sheldon Adelson and Rob Goldstein. And they'd be like, you need to say this. You need to do that. And I had the confidence to do it. But they put me in those rooms and they really empowered me at a young age and let me do things that I never would have imagined I would even have access to just based on in proximity.

47:58Danielle Robay:what did you what do you think they saw in you that like they were like let's hand this 22 year old the keys i feel like noah is very me he was like oh that's a mini me to this day we talk all

48:11April McDaniel:the time he's like ape there you go like that's what they call me ape that's like my nickname me like ape oh my god guess what we talk all the time like that's my guy like and i don't think you come across a lot of white men in leadership like that as a black woman. And I was young and I was like, what? We went to Vegas one weekend to open up Tao. And it was like, he's like, I'm opening up this nightclub. Come on. We're going to go on this plane and fly there. I was his assistant at the time and we flew there and we got into the venue and Tao in Vegas is 10 ,000 square feet of a nightclub which is crazy and i walked in and he was like all right i'm gonna leave you here in vegas i was like the fuck i was like you're gonna leave me he's like we gotta dress this whole club we have to fly in this buddha from what indonesia we have to do this we have to do that i'm like you're gonna leave me he's like don't worry you got it i was like and i was like i just think that he saw a smaller version of him but he also saw someone that was gonna get in something done by any means necessary.

49:21April McDaniel:Yeah, the resourcefulness. And he was like, you got this. I know you do. And me, nor him, nor Jason, nor any of us knew what we were doing. Like, who knows how to open? That was like the first big club like that in Vegas ever, at least of that size. Yeah. And it was just from that moment on, I was like, oh, I can be a boss. But a boss doesn't always mean that you have to be the CEO. And I think that that is what I've learned on the journey. You can be a boss of a lot of things. You can be a boss as mom, my friend. You can be a boss at doing something else. You can be a boss at supporting somebody.

49:59April McDaniel:You can be a boss at creative, a part of a team. It doesn't have to always be, I'm the boss. I have to tell everybody what to do. I'm cool on that. Like I do it and I do it well, but I don't love it.

50:10Danielle Robay:Well, I said earlier that you had been through it, but your husband died. And when I was thinking about the word reframe, I was like, what a change in life experience after something like that happens. Did it change the way that you saw yourself?

50:26April McDaniel:Oh my God. Completely different. I think anybody that experiences death, it changes you. Whether you want to accept it or not. I think it changes how you see things. It changes how you view life. It changes how you optimize your time. Yeah. Because time is not promised to anybody. So when you've experienced death, you really start to assess, is this worth my time? That's why I don't engage in anything that is a waste of my time because it's not worth it. Like if there's 24 hours in a day, I'm taking it all the way to the brim with 26. Like that's just who I am. That's why I wake up at four o 'clock in the morning.

51:08April McDaniel:That's why I'm doing everything. Were you like that before he passed? I've always been driven. I think I became intentionally driven after my husband. And then after I healed, I became intentionally driven and desiring more freedom. So there's been an evolution in my grief of like how it's really evolved. But I think death of all sorts, because people also attribute death to people physically dying. And there is death in loving somebody you can't be with. There's death in somebody you've known changing tremendously and you grieving that relationship. I think death comes in a lot of forms. Grief comes in a lot of forms.

51:56April McDaniel:It doesn't really have to be to that. And I think learning a lot about grief has made me reassess like what that really means for myself.

52:05Danielle Robay:Yeah. I've heard you talk about being an empty nester too. Yes. Getting there. And at some point you will be too. Yeah. I got a little bit more time.

52:15Savannah James:Do you think about it at all? I don't. I think having Z still at home and knowing she's going to middle school next year, sixth grade. So I have a little bit more time. Yeah. But I also want for her to do all the things. If she wants to go to college, go away to college. Leave us. As much as I would love for her to be at home forever, I think that she deserves those experiences. And I am championing her to go and have those experiences. But no, it's definitely more quiet in the house with the boys being gone. But she's there, so we just got a little bit more. One more little birdie to kick out.

52:55Savannah James:Yeah.

52:55April McDaniel:She thinks she's our third best friend. We'd be on the phone chatting. She's like, hey guys. Yes, come sit. I was like, is anybody there? She's like, yes. Turn the camera. I'm like, okay, well, it's fine. I can say this in front of her. That's so cute. Yeah, she definitely is like, what y 'all talking about? What y 'all doing? Can I get nails? Like, it's sweet. Yeah, she just asked me to go to a concert with me.

53:15Savannah James:I'm like, no. No, I'm going with my friends. We took her to see Tyler, the Creator. We took her to see Tyler, the Creator, yes. We was dancing on our own. She's not going to this concert.

53:25Danielle Robay:I remember like just being in awe of my mom's friends growing up like did you have that did you think about no so it's so special that she has it yeah she really does in in a lot of I mean

53:39Savannah James:my friends her aunts um my nephews significant others like she sees a lot of women and she's like oh I just want to be besties yeah um for me my mom had one friend and I was like oh I love Miss Karen she was crazy like but crazy in a way because she was loud and she wore red lipstick and her clothes were always really nice and her hair was always just perfect so I just looked at Miss Karen like she is cool my mom is very you know she'd be chilling I'm like oh Miss Karen is her So I think I have like both, like my mom and Miss Karen built into one. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like those, like they have a big influence on us.

54:20April McDaniel:I think my mom was very religious. So I think it affected like, I'm like, oh, y 'all corny. Yeah. You felt that at a young age? What? Since I was like four. That's hilarious. I was crazy. Like since I've been small, I'd be like. You've been crazy forever. Yeah, like one time when I was five, and I always tell Savannah this story, but when I was five, this bus used to come to the corner of my block every Sunday and pick up kids, and they'd be out there dressed up. So I was like, oh, where are they going? So one day I wake up, get myself dressed at five, and little girls would be out there in the cutest dresses.

54:56April McDaniel:So I go to bus stop. I'm like, I'm ready. The man's like, who are you? Where's your mom? I was like, I'm catching this bus. Where are y 'all going? He said, we're going to church. I said, well, I'm coming. And he said, you can't get on the bus without, it's for Sunday school. Like you can't get on the bus without like your parents. I was like, okay, I'll be back. And so I went upstairs. I woke my mom up. I was like, come on, I got to get on this bus. Go outside and tell the man. My mom was like, what? And I was fully dressed. Like, here I go. And yeah, my mom took me. He was like, I can't take her.

55:27April McDaniel:You have to take her to the church and sign the paperwork. And she did. And every Sunday I would be out there ready. I'd be the first one at the bus stop. My little Barbies and my little. I was always like that. That's such a metaphor for who you became. 100%. That's so funny. And it was what drew my mom to the church. Oh, beautiful. But then she got all uptight.

55:48Danielle Robay:I was going to say, so not so corny.

55:50Savannah James:Thank you. Wow.

55:52Danielle Robay:So you started Crown and Conquer. Yes. Did that season of rebuilding change what you were willing to risk or claim for yourself?

56:00April McDaniel:I think I started Crown and Conquer out of survival. Like I was a widow. I was 34, two boys, moved to LA. And I was just like, okay, what can I do? Who can I, like, what are my skills and how could I survive? And I live a comfortable life. Like before my husband I did, married I did. And then after I wasn't willing to sacrifice that. So I think it started out of survival. It is evolved so much. It's 10 years old. It's evolved so much. I think it's really hard when you build a business based on you. So I think we have been very cautious of that since we built everything after. I think it's different with the podcast because it brings us humor, it brings us joy.

56:51April McDaniel:But I always say like, let it break is our heart. Like everybody's crazy is our humor. Like reframe is kind of how we reach the consumer. And really crown and conquer is like the creative wheelhouse behind those things. So I think my goal for Crown & Conquer in the future is really to build something that fuels everything that me and Savannah are building while working with clients that desire radical and risk. I think in corporate, there is a lot of hesitation with those things. And I think that then that is when it lacks authenticity. And then that is when it feels corny. And then that is when I don't want to do it.

57:40April McDaniel:So I'm pretty vocal in like what we do and who we work with, because I think it's important. And you describe things so beautifully.

57:48Danielle Robay:I used to love The Game. Did you watch that show? No, I don't watch TV. I'm sorry, what? You don't watch anything? No TVs, no movies, no nothing. That's because you're up at four. You don't have time.

58:00April McDaniel:Yeah, and also, like, why would I want to be doing that? Be crying over people's problems? I was just about to say. She can't just watch it.

58:08Savannah James:It's going to be too much investment. It's too much. You're not going to cry at The Game.

58:11April McDaniel:No, I would cry at everything. Really? Yes. The Game with Tia? Yeah.

58:15Savannah James:Yeah, she might.

58:16April McDaniel:Yeah, I just think I don't like - Or be mad. Yeah, she might be mad. And I don't like ingest. So then I'm like mad at you. Like, girl, what are you doing? Like, I'm just too vested in like that. So for me, I don't watch anything that could determine my emotional state. Okay. So no sad music. None of that. No, not sad. That's not my vibes. Okay. Maybe somber, maybe assessing, but not sad. No.

58:44Savannah James:so are you the same way no she loves tv so you saw the game to the movies i didn't keep up like season episode like but i'm very familiar yes okay the only reason it's on my mind is mara

58:56Danielle Robay:brock akil is coming in a little bit later oh my god and she's amazing love queen and i didn't realize that she was directing the game i didn't know that either me neither the game was triggers

59:08Savannah James:for me. I was watching the game like, oh, I got to turn this off. But still, yes, a great, great show. That is so funny. Who was feeding this information?

59:22Danielle Robay:I'm growing up in Chicago. I didn't know anybody that played basketball. I didn't know anybody that played football and I did not know their wives. Right. So I'm watching the game and I'm like, this is amazing. And now I'm 35 and I have some friends and I live in LA. Right. And so I have a ton of girlfriends who are basketball wives or football wives and they're coming up right now and they asked me to ask you what advice you would give them girl what is the advice

59:54Savannah James:my advice would be something that I didn't do earlier that I wish I would have done is to pay attention to yourself as much as you're paying attention to your partner like don't lose yourself in all of the things don't lose yourself in the babies if they if they come don't lose yourself in the facade of what all of this looks like try to stay grounded try to stay I guess authentic to who you are and what this connection was from the very beginning and I think that is what really helped LeBron and I we are the most normal people I mean from what the world thinks and sees like we are so from akron ohio through and through like it's all we can do and i think that that has been what has kept us so grounded and like the main thing the main thing for all these years so if if i could give any advice i would just say to stay grounded and stay intentional with who you are who your partner is how you guys got to be to to get to this point and then just support each other through the evolution of it.

1:01:03Danielle Robay:I think it's interesting that you say each other because I'm thinking about my one friend in particular and this guy keeps saying to her like just like they're kind of new and she was like just he was like just stay with me like this is a lot of acclimating and like there's a lot of new stuff and I think he's acting out a little bit and she's like how how how much acclimating because I'm acclimating too like Like, yeah, for sure. It's a two way street. For sure.

1:01:29Savannah James:There is there is that that's a big a big part of it. But I mean, I think really for me, what it boils down to is, is that your person? It's very easy when it's just like, oh, OK, whatever. On to the next. But when you know that that's your person and this is who I'm supposed to be with and supposed to be in my life and who I'm supposed to support and champion through his career. It just kind of, you know, works.

1:01:57Danielle Robay:Is it harder than people think it is?

1:02:00Savannah James:Girl. Girl. It is. I think it is made to look a certain way. And I just, I feel like that is what people desire. That is what you desire. So when it comes back to real life and real emotion and real growth and real distraction, that's when it gets tricky. So you really have to be invested in your person. And also it's a deep level of understanding, a deep level of patience that you have to have. Just understanding where they come from, what the situation is and, you know, what could be. So, yeah, being grounded is very, I think, important in all of it.

1:02:48April McDaniel:Yeah. And I think it applies to like everything. Like, and that's what people don't realize is like people want something. And when LeBron came on, everybody's crazy. He said this, he's like, so many people want certain aspects of it, but they don't want to do the work. so like it is a journey i think that that applies to relationships in that realm i think people may want a lifestyle and don't know what comes with it yeah i think people want to be a ceo and don't understand the pressure i think people want things and don't really understand the work and commitment that comes with that level of responsibility yeah and then and then a lot of females i feel like both in a lot of areas in life are conforming themselves to make it work, even though, you know, it may not be right.

1:03:40April McDaniel:And I think the conforming part, that means you have to know yourself. And a lot of people really do not know themselves. They don't know what they want. They don't know what they're looking for. And then I think in conjunction with social media, people believe that they desire something to look a certain way. And then you think about it and you're like, I don't want this. Like, I don't actually think that this, the juice is worth the sweets. And I think personally for me, not specific to that example, but like being a CEO and also being highly empathetic is very hard. And I think that that has always been my struggle because you want to be committed, but then like they're employees and then you can't like, So it's like separating your emotions.

1:04:28April McDaniel:And I think that that is a big thing. Like me and Savannah say all the time, the people. You're no business without people. But then you have to deal with the people. And then you have to deal with the people's problems. And then it's like the people's complaints. And then the people's concerns. And then it can become overwhelming. So really figuring out, like she's saying, with everything to remain grounded.

1:04:57Danielle Robay:Nothing compares to the anticipation of something new. A new start, a new year, a new home, or a new car. When it's time to get a new car, where do you start? Car shopping can honestly be a little overwhelming, but it should be fun. Buying your next car should be exciting, and it can be, if you remember one thing, cars.com. Cars.com has the tools and expert advice to help you figure out what vehicle is right for you. Their advanced search filters allow you to explore 2 million new and used cars so that you can find the perfect car. The site is so easy to use. Looking for an electric vehicle with a third row and leather seats for easy cleanup?

1:05:36Danielle Robay:Cars.com has you covered. A variety of tools and badges are used to help shoppers understand the price of a vehicle and find the best deal. And every review is written by a real person, reflecting a real life experience. So don't take any chances. Do car shopping the easy way. Start your search with Cars.com. Where to next? It's everybody's favorite time of year. Girls all over America are spending thousands of dollars at Love Shack Fancy, Kendra Scott, Lululemon, and going crazy on Revolve. Is your hair perfect? Is your makeup just right? Even if your feet are killing you, it doesn't matter. Your shoes have to look good.

1:06:16Danielle Robay:No, seriously, guys. It is time for Sorority Rush. Join Daisy Kent, Gia Judice, and Jennifer Fessler and the sorority girls with the Inside Dirt. This is the only place you get the truth about sorority life because we are telling it like it really is. Before you hit the game day and frat parties, you better listen up.

1:06:32Savannah James:Don't miss Dirty Rush every Saturday. You'll learn about the sex lives of sorority girls, confidential bid day rituals, the secrets of initiation, and we'll be live from Sorority Rush all over the country. Plus, we'll reveal what frat boys really think about sorority girls. Dirty Rush is back and better than ever. Let's get dirty.

1:06:53Danielle Robay:Download the free iHeartRadio app, search Dirty Rush, and listen now.

1:06:57Savannah James:At concerts, we dance to the same tune. At games, we hug total strangers. And yet, in these moments, there's also something we don't do. We don't act based on how they look, who they love, where they're from, or what they believe. We just act. Because the things that make us different will never change what makes us human. Go to lovehasnolabels.com to learn more. Brought to you by Love Has No Labels and the Eye Council.

1:07:27Danielle Robay:We've all been there. We've had seasons that have shaken everything. The question is, what remains when the shaking stops? Hi, I'm Gary Valenciano. And on my podcast, Unshaken with Gary Vee, I sit down with amazing personalities and we talk about the seasons that nearly broke them. The lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary Vee on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:08:07Danielle Robay:I'm hearing so much talk about growth and I know that's kind of how the show started. Do you each individually attribute your growth to anything? Like for me, therapy changed my life. I think growth for me has come from wanting to be the best version of myself.

1:08:25April McDaniel:So I think a lot of times people are so focused on, again, going back to the wrong things. Like you look a certain way. It feels great. And then I like sit down with somebody. I turn to somebody. I'm like, she is dead inside. I don't ever want to go back there. Like you don't want to deal with someone dead. Like you feel it right away. Right away. Like right away. You just are like, oh, there's no soul there. There's no clarity. They're lost. Like once you start really working on yourself, it's hard to be in company with people that haven't figured it out. You know what I mean? Really? So I think it's not attributed to anything.

1:09:01April McDaniel:But the one thing I would say to a lot of people is like you put energy and curating Instagram. You put energy into your work. You put energy into certain aspects of getting a boyfriend or being in a relationship. How about that same energy into yourself?

1:09:17Savannah James:Yeah.

1:09:18April McDaniel:Beautiful. and I feel like that is what will change your perspective of like who am I it always comes back to you it's always comes back to you always now every time every time okay so we've talked

1:09:31Danielle Robay:about the deeper side of everybody's crazy but your show talks about the messy and the human and the honest so I want to get into some of the curd craziness yes uh so we're gonna question everybody's crazy I'm gonna talk some red flags okay okay so red flag culture is not new but have

1:09:46Savannah James:we taken it too far i'm gonna say yes i think everybody comes with a certain level of red flags i agree so again what red flags are you willing to deal with what red flags are you willing to um be patient with and like you know figure out so that they work for both parties but everybody is coming with red flags. Nobody is perfect.

1:10:12April McDaniel:So red flags. I think it's for me. What are you thinking? I think it's for me. It's like if I don't like it, I don't like it. Yeah. I wouldn't even consider a red flag. I don't like it. Goodbye. The culture.

1:10:26Savannah James:Call it a red flag.

1:10:28Danielle Robay:I think. Is there a red flag you used to ignore that you don't anymore?

1:10:37Yeah.

1:10:37April McDaniel:I think somebody that hasn't done any self-work and I think a lack of awareness that's a good one and someone that comes in very intense and I'm like they don't have no stamina because I think I ignite something out of some people that makes them feel like well I'm worthy and I'm like okay I'm on a date with you so obviously I think you're worthy but people have like worth issues and then you're looking at me I'm not your mama I sorry sir I'm trying to figure out my own shit I ain't got time to be helping you with whatever you got going on I can't I just cannot I can't and I'm not going to that is so funny yeah it's

1:11:20Danielle Robay:crazy what's a friendship red flag we don't talk about enough somebody that can't talk about nothing yeah like what are we talking about like bags I'm confused yeah like you sound like shopping

1:11:33Savannah James:so you don't want to talk about that but you were such a fashion girly but i have the luxury of everything you know yeah yeah gotcha going and i talk about shopping yeah only thing we talk about

1:11:45April McDaniel:is going no only thing we talk about is going around the world yes getting hermes appointments yes so i'll be setting them up but that's like traveling what we be hustling one time we went to milan they treated us like shit they drove clothes down at all motherfucking store i said They did. What? We had an appointment. And fired a lady. I said, we'll be back for you. I'll be right back. We had an appointment and they tried to act like it was. I said, baby, you caught the wrong one today. She's very nice. Not I. We'll be back here. The whole store is closing down, bringing out Crocs and everything.

1:12:13April McDaniel:You want some smoke? You done caught one. Yeah. I am crazy like that. I like that kind of crazy. It is like, oh. I said, oh.

1:12:23Savannah James:Yes.

1:12:23April McDaniel:Did they fix it? Fix it? What? We was in the private room with champagne and caviar. We were up in there doing it. I said, how many bags you got? Ten? Okay, we'll take these. They brought out everything. I said, I take bathing suits. I'm refining silverware. I was living my best life. But she had one more time to be, okay, no problem. Headquarters in New York. Yeah, not the two of you. Savannah is, yeah, I just move around the world. And I don't need to be using no names. I'm just very resourceful. Like, I don't use any names. Yep. But your last day here, honey.

1:12:58April McDaniel:crazy it's giving my you have everybody laughing i love this story what i'm confused that's so good okay chanel too remember that in paris that was crazy what is wrong with everybody it was crazy it was crazy she touched his bag this man said what did he say

1:13:14Savannah James:he said do not don't touch don't touch put back i said oh i said but but it caught me off guard because typically when it's like a exclusive situation, it'll say don't touch. I can read. Very much so. And I can see very clearly. And there was nothing that said don't touch. And I'm in a merchandise store. Like, let me see. That man said, don't touch. I said, oh, you're fired.

1:13:40April McDaniel:Be right back. I called on the phone. They shut the whole store down. They was like, the whole store was shut down. I said, yep. I said, sir, today's not the day. The mini adventures. With this little rinky ding bag. Ain't even nothing to be not touching. That part. I'm saying,

1:13:54Danielle Robay:this is giving five grand. When that happens, does it give you a bad taste in your mouth moving forward? Like, are you like, I'm done with Chanel?

1:14:02April McDaniel:No.

1:14:03Danielle Robay:I'm calling the boss.

1:14:04April McDaniel:We're closing this store down. She can go like that. I'm proving a point. You're fired. That's the last person you're going to say. I'm heated. I'm ruining the whole situation. They're right in leathers.

1:14:18Danielle Robay:Yes. we're we're yeah like you do not get my money sir no no sassy men there is an epidemic happening

1:14:25Savannah James:i don't know if you're aware of it i was gonna say i would like and i i'm so out of the game i see it obviously i'm not you know i see it but we were like so we got a call about

1:14:36Danielle Robay:you don't yeah like men that think they're the prize what with us are you okay so maybe this is a me problem like i just think elaborate yes so i'll use a public example it's all over the internet and no shade to this person so asap rocky's doing an interview with nessa okay she has a radio show in new york and he's like i think women should take me shopping and she's like excuse me sir and he was like yeah and she was like why and he was like because i'm handsome and everyone was like sassy man epidemic like it's like what is happening and i'm dating i do experience it they really especially in los angeles they really feel they're the prize

1:15:20April McDaniel:interesting so that's a no for you i guess for me i mean if you're both financially comfortable i'm not like oh i can't pay for that i don't feel that way necessarily like people talk a lot about male female roles i'm not cooking so don't look at me to do it ever in life so i'm not the one so like i i'm i'm just going to get done whatever i have to get done to make my life easier so whatever that consists of it doesn't have to include you or not include you yeah i'm also very thoughtful but i'm not going out and being like hey babe let me take you shopping maybe we've been together for 10 years but like also don't you got something to do so I guess I'm confused on the dynamics of things yeah but I feel like when you're with somebody you're equally partnered with I don't look at ASAP and think to myself he definitely is not taking Rihanna shopping I don't think to myself like that yeah I think that he got a Chanel deal he like let me get some bags for my baby I he's had rocking baby pink Chanel shoes on his bag so like for his daughter like I don't think that people look at that.

1:16:31April McDaniel:And I think being with my friend, if there's a birthday coming up or something for her partner, we be brainstorming. We like, all right, what's a good gift? So I don't, I guess maybe in dating that is odd. I mean, what man is asking to be taking shopping and dating? But ASAP's example is not relevant. He'd been married from, they've been together now. They had three kids. I mean, eight or nine years. I don't think that that's a fair assessment. And then the internet is like, oh, sassy man. I don't know. I feel like when you're in partnership with somebody and there's a clear understanding, it shouldn't be based on that.

1:17:06April McDaniel:If you think you're getting used, then you have a self-worth issue and you should go work on that in therapy. Like that doesn't have anything to do with him. If he's running up your credit card, you're out of your mind. Like, I just think that that's odd. Like, why would you allow that? And so I don't even lend money to my parents. So I've definitely not given no man no money. But like, if we're out shopping, I'm like, let me get you a pair of shoes or he buys me something. I just, I don't know. Never buy a man a pair of shoes.

1:17:31Savannah James:Huh? Never buy a man a pair of shoes. They'll walk out of your life. Oh, Lord. Never buy a man a pair of shoes. I haven't, but I'm just saying. Black superstition. Yeah, lots of things you're not supposed to do.

1:17:44April McDaniel:There you go. She going to tell me. Leave your bag on the ground. I got to return your shoes and give you a gift card. Yeah.

1:17:49Danielle Robay:That's funny. Okay, I'm going to do some rapid fire with you. Okay. What's something that you're much better at than people would expect? I don't know. I think people expect, but I'm like a beauty guru.

1:18:00Savannah James:I do all the things. Did you do your own makeup today? I did. Because it is good. I've been staring at it. Thank you very much. She does makeup very well. Yes. So I don't know if that's like people wouldn't know, but I take pride in that because I enjoy it. So yeah. Guru status for sure.

1:18:14April McDaniel:I could run 50 errands in two hours. Like I feel like I'm always on Amazing Race in my own life with myself.

1:18:23Danielle Robay:I'm like, I find joy in that. I do want to see you on that show because I'll watch. You won't watch your own season, but I'll watch. I would crush.

1:18:32April McDaniel:I'd be like, all right, what are we going to do? I feel like people don't realize. My close friends are like, yo, you're so efficient. It's crazy how much stuff you can get done before noon. But yeah, I would say that that is something they wouldn't expect.

1:18:46Danielle Robay:Okay, what's something you're terrible at? Answering emails.

1:18:52April McDaniel:Terrible? Terrible answering emails. I'm giving terrible at much. Cooking? No, I'm not terrible. Oh, I like that. I always survive. Now, terrible is like not, I don't do anything. Haphazard. Yeah, that's not my vibe. Like, I think I do competition all the time. So as soon as I step out the bed, the devil's like, here it comes. I feel like that is who I am. So I don't think I do anything terrible. Do I think I do things? That's a good one. I mean, subpar? No. I love that for you. Mid is not my vibe. What she said. Yeah.

1:19:38Danielle Robay:Okay, what's the most Savannah thing about Savannah?

1:19:43April McDaniel:Being whimsy. She's so whimsy. Like, I call her, she's like, hey. I'm like, did you skip his emails? She's like, no, girl. What you doing? drinking my coffee latte and this and eating my fruits and just whimsy like you can't beautiful you can't even be mad at it you were like oh my god sometimes i didn't you know i never see myself as whimsy but sometimes i'll find myself being like jealous how the fuck she wins you got 900 emails like but she just is like hey like and it just is so unaware but like in a the most beautiful pure way that you can't even be mad at it yeah like so it's just like i love it because there's a pureness to it so i'm just like all right i ain't mad at you but can you do me a favor we have to answer this email we gotta get back to this person do the money she's like okay i'll call you back then she want to call back i'm like email back i got things to do this you don't call

1:20:43Savannah James:back we gotta talk about it like but that i think being whimsy what's the most april thing about april i would say the most april thing about april is her confidence yeah she is gonna stand 10 toes in that confidence baby you can't tell her nothing she made a comment that i could not believe flew out of her mouth not too long ago and i'm like you know what you can't again you can't do nothing but respect it yeah like girl i'm not sure if i can make that comment on this show but um and i didn't see it the comment was that big of a deal and that's what exactly what i'm saying the confidence is that's the most april thing about april beautiful yeah she's not terrible at anything

1:21:21Danielle Robay:either i love that um i hope zuri gets that that's like miraculous me too um okay favorite lip combo right now is limitless brown makeup forever liner um i have a oh my gosh i don't know why the name

1:21:38Savannah James:of the gloss is escaping me right now i want to say house of glam lip gloss it's like a nudie kind a gloss. Perfection.

1:21:47April McDaniel:Yeah. So I had a summer Fridays is my gloss and I never wore lip liner. I used to hate it. What? Hate. Tell me she changed your mind. She changed my mind. She's like, you have to wear lip liner. This is just crazy. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And then I got a gift package from Mary Phillips and I love her lip liner and I wear lip liner now.

1:22:11Danielle Robay:I love that you do you want the best of like if we're talking lip liner mary phillips is one of the best i love her

1:22:17April McDaniel:i'm super supportive of her and and but i love the product and now i wear lip liner i'm six months in

1:22:24Danielle Robay:okay you mentioned you mentioned that you're about to be 40 what's something you are going

1:22:30Savannah James:to become more confident about um i think the through line is just continuing to use my voice Just continuing to say The things Have the hard conversations Just keep in that Beautiful

1:22:45Danielle Robay:What's the best gift that you've ever given?

1:22:47April McDaniel:My love

1:22:50Danielle Robay:Best gift you've ever received?

1:22:53April McDaniel:Love

1:22:54Danielle Robay:Beautiful

1:22:54April McDaniel:How do I top that? Love Ditto I mean I feel like We get a lot of things We can also purchase a lot of things I think that there is no price on someone really loving you. Yeah. And I feel like if I really love you, ooh, you are in the favor of God. Yeah, you seem like you love hard. Hard, big. Like, we going to, what we doing? Like, what are we doing? Robbing a bank, going to strip club. We doing it all. Like, and I'm loving you. In the same day. Yes, in the same day and closing down Chanel. So I just feel like, yes, I feel like I am a big lover And I feel like I've guarded myself a lot through life to not allow me to love big because I feel like people don't value that as much as I do.

1:23:42April McDaniel:So just finding the right place to place that.

1:23:46Danielle Robay:What quality do you hope your sons get from you? I love them so much to be kind, but be kind without caution. Beautiful.

1:23:57April McDaniel:I think I'm kind, but I'm very cautious. So most people think I'm me. And I think I hope my sons lead through the world being kind and not thinking that something is going to happen and just being kind. And I feel like that's important.

1:24:15Danielle Robay:What do you hope Zuri gets from you?

1:24:17Savannah James:From me? I hope she gets her humility to be nice to people and to love people. And I hope that she Can I hope that she can understand The I guess I want her to know How much she changed me Not necessarily what I can give to her But just to always be Super open with her About growing up and being fully herself And fully authentic and all of the things But just for her to know how she changed me That's really beautiful

1:24:56April McDaniel:thank you both we're giving thank you over here on the show the two of us this is a mushy show i think they were appropriate they really were just little people were gangster don't play with us don't try it um you guys are really phenomenal thank you so much thank you

1:25:14Danielle Robay:this is great thank you you're so fun thank you

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