The Hidden Story Running Your Life With Katherine Woodward Thomas (Therapist)

27:03I have the power to learn how to create safety in my relationships. Now we might not know how to do that, right? That's what I call missing development. And, you know, we've been working now on ourselves for a while, most of us here that are in this conversation. We've been looking at ourselves and examining our history and connecting the dots. So we're doing good work. It's not an either or world. Healing matters. It's important to connect those dots. But we've got to go into the future because the future is what activates development. And it begins to show you, oh, you're having problems connecting with people because inside of your assumption that other people are going to leave you, you don't rock the boat.

27:49Conflict is dangerous beginning of the end. So we'll avoid conflict. But if you don't engage conflict in a healthy way, you don't ever really bond at the deeper level. You need conflict to bond. I think that's such a beautiful and important statement because a lot of the teachings we hear growing up is that it's supposed to feel easy. If you have conflict, something is wrong.

28:40creates space for honest conversations on self-worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud. I have several conversations with God, and I know why it took 20 years. To hear this and more, listen to Keep It Positive, Sweetie on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about, and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick, Dick, and Paul show, we're not afraid to make mistakes.

29:19What Coogler did that I think was so unique, he's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean the, like, the president? You think Canada has a president, you think China has a president, there's La Cruzette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket. and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time.

29:57I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math & Magic, Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. Math & Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season of Math & Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death, Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate, Mike Milken, Take-Two Interactive CEO, Strauss Zelnick.

30:36If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to Math & Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, everyone. I'm Cheryl Strayed, author of Wild and Tiny Beautiful Things. I'm excited to share that I have a new podcast called Mind Over Mountain.

31:16In each episode, I interview athletes, adventurers, and adrenaline seekers to discuss the inner landscapes and life experiences that informed and inspired their extraordinary feats. I also bring a bit of advice into the mix so we too can better understand how to face our own seemingly insurmountable challenges. Do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to pull out what you already have inside. We're coming into this world fighting for our lives. All I'm going to do is pull out what you already got inside. We're there to support and celebrate each other. And that's not like a your story versus my story.

31:50You're going to walk up and over that dang mountain. You're not just going to put your mind over it. Yep, yep, exactly. And if I can't walk up and over it, I'm going to go through it. Listen to Mind Over Mountain every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

32:09What's up? I'm Miles Turner. And I'm Brianna Stewart. And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has never been done before. Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests. What's the vibe of that when it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave. And then actually now I'm going to stay. We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like, I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening in the WBA. And yeah, we talk about our mistakes, too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey, man, we got a call last night.

32:45You can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games. No, you know, doing this, doing whatever. And of course, family stories. And I'll be like, Mommy, why did you miss that? Mommy, do you play basketball? Check out Game Recognized Game with Stooley and Miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

33:11One of the things I took from your teachings in this book is the wise self and the wounded self and figuring out which voice is which. I think you started to touch on it a little bit, but I'd love for you to elaborate because I do think that at least in my work, the noticing has helped so much. And I think it is actually very easy to notice the wise self versus the wounded self before you start deep diving. Look, some of us who've been like meditators for years, we've had a lot of spiritual practice where we understand these different dimensions of self. We're able to access a higher perspective.

33:48one of my practices every morning that I love to share with people is I'll write a dear wisdom letter. Please help me sort this out. This is happening. It's bothering me. I'm really irritable. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You get it all out. Can you help me to see this from a larger perspective? Please write through my pen. Thank you. And then dear Catherine, and it clicks right in. So it's a practice. You get better at it as you do it. You start to find these different parts of the self. However, not everyone has access to that. But most of us have access to, you know, we're a teacher and we show up in the classroom and we're great teachers and we elevate our students.

34:29You know, that's a strength that I have. I know how to sponsor the greatness in students, or I'm a very good leader at work, or I'm a wonderful grandparent. Whatever it is, where we find our strength and go into that self. So we're looking for that self. But I'll tell you one of my favorite stories in the book is the way I discovered this. I was in my 20s and I was an actor at the time, a wannabe actor. I went to Tisch School of the Arts. I completed NYU, but as I said, I had a major, I'm not good enough. So every time I'd go to an audition, I'd kind of collapse into that and under present and get laryngitis or all sorts of shenanigans would go on.

35:05So I never was able to get any traction. And I had this group of friends. We waited tables together. And one night after our shift, we're all hanging out. And I'd had a bad audition that day. And I'm kind of crying in my wine and complaining to my friend, Billy. And I'm like, I'm just never going to make it. I'm never going to amount to anything. Here I am 25, right? My stepfather used to say that to me late at night drinking. And I'd listen to him because I was so deprived of parental attention. I was hungry. So I just sit there and listen to him tell me I was never going to amount to anything.

35:35So beliefs were formed in relationship. That's why we have to transform them in relationship. I just want to reiterate what you said, because that's so profound. Beliefs are formed in relationships, so they have to be transformed in relationship. Yes. That is so big. It is. That's why these new ways of relating and you get new feedback is to graduate your identity from the old identity. I don't mean to co-opt your story. I want to share this so that people have something tangible to hold on to. I had a belief for a while and it was my mom's voice saying, you really can't have it all. You can't have a husband and kids and a big career.

36:12They don't coincide. And I held onto that. I believed it deeply, even though I wanted to not believe it for a long time. And I worked on that belief, but I don't know that I've fully gotten rid of it because I think I need to rid that in relationship with somebody who supports a new belief. So that's in calling in the one. What does it look like to expand? So then you see a partner who's actually enhancing your ability. Isn't that beautiful? And really how it's supposed to be. Okay. I just want to share so people have like a tangible something to grab onto because your words are so profound. Billy reaches across the table.

36:52Here I am sobbing, you know, like poor me, being the traumatic actress that I was trying to be actually, but really feeling it in my heart. and he grabs my hand. He cups his hands over mine. He says, Catherine, I'm so glad you're facing this now. And I went, how dare you say that to me? He said, thank you. You see, because it clicked in the part of me that knew that wasn't true. That was a wake up moment. But I'm giving that story because all of us are holding parts of us that do know that's not actually true. We have to ask ourselves what else might be true. What else might be true? That's a really nice way to reframe the question.

37:31Yeah, what else might be true? So you start to creatively think, you know, well, it's probably not so black and white. I mean, the truth about life is it's not black and white. When you have these kind of knee jerk old stories come up, they're very black and white. Because when we were young, when we created them, we lacked the ability to hold shades of gray complexity. We weren't going to say, well, mom is in her bedroom ignoring me because she has clinical depression and she needs to see a doctor. No, we're going to say, you know, mom is in her bedroom ignoring me because I'm not valuable. I'm not worth anything.

38:07I'm unworthy of her love or I'm not good enough to fix her or however we interpreted it. So we want to name how we interpret it. It's very subjective and you name it from your body. A lot of us think, well, I have this belief and we're trying to work it out mentally, but beliefs are actually in the body. Say more about that. Is this what you mean when you say a big part of the work is language, like the words that we use to describe ourselves and then noticing the shifts? Or is that a separate concept? No, it's related for sure. So what you want to do when you ask yourself, okay, sweetheart, how old are you?

38:41You send love to yourself. You can even say to yourself, we have this practice called the self-love power practice. And you say to yourself, sweetheart, what are you feeling? And you just listen for a feeling. You name one feeling and you just mirror it back. I can see that you're feeling. What else are you feeling? Name one feeling. I can see that you're feeling. Wow, that's a big feeling. I got it. Not changing anything. But what you are doing is now there's two of you in the room. There's your adult self who's thinking more rationally, who's holding, containing that younger self. Because we want to get the younger self out of the driver's seat.

39:20If you act from the younger self, which means you're in reaction, we'll generate more evidence for that story. We press the pause button. We do not take action from a false center. So this is actually one of the things I think people, at least the question everything audience is going to grab onto the most because your audience, Catherine, loves manifestation. I think the question everything listeners do too, but you're careful to say we can't manifest from a false self. So how does getting clear on your identity change actually change what we're able to call into our lives? Oh, everything. Identity is everything.

39:59Because wherever we're centered at the level of identity, we're generating our lives from. And one of the things about manifestation, and this is one of the core essences of the book. Let me get the context of the book. Okay. So the context of the book is, first of all, we're at a precarious time collectively where it looks like our future is at stake. So this idea that we can create from the future, that we have agency to influence the future, that there is no fixed future is a critical skill for us all to be building right now. And so when we're looking at the fluidity of life and we're looking at our own effectiveness in being able to generate life, we're really talking about how do we stay out of reactivity, which is only going to create more of the same, truthfully.

40:50You can't really make progress when you're stuck in the reactive mode, which we could also call victimization. I'm victimized by what's happening. I'm at the effect of what's happening. It's stronger than I am? And how do we stay generative of a future that looks bright, the future that we desire? So once you actually claim a positive possible future, and this is like we have to train ourselves, something's happening. I don't really like it. It's not going my way. And we tend to go towards the complaint. We go towards the suffering. We go towards the analysis of why it's happening. That's a habit now that we have.

41:28Where we want to start to develop a habit is to say, what would I want to be happening? And how can I actually begin to show up in a way that's generative of that? Well, in order to do that, first of all, you have to feel worthy of the future you desire. You have to feel powerful enough to be able to move in that direction. You have to know that the universe is supporting you to move in that direction. And you want to be non-victimized and self-responsible. Sometimes you just have to get off it. Look, the reason why we get stuck in victimization is because we get victimized. I mean, can I just give that to all of us?

42:02Like bad things are happening. We didn't necessarily create all of them ourselves and we're at the effect of them. Other people behave badly. Other people are being greedy and selfish, but that's happening. But I think the pushback from people is that they think they do feel worthy. I was on the phone with a friend last night who felt frustrated by the lack of outcomes or the lack of feeling like the universe was conspiring to support her hard work. And she is working hard. And I said to her, I think that your outside life is a reflection of your inside beliefs. And she said, I'm very pointed about what I'm asking for and I'm doing the work.

42:41I could see it for her the way that maybe I couldn't even see it for myself. But what do you say to someone who's saying, I do believe, I think I'm worthy. I want the number one show on TV. And I think I'm doing the things. What is your reply? It's true. And I think it's great. And that's what's gotten her so far. And that's why she's there talking to you and your colleagues and your friends. So yes, it's all true. And the value is to go and look at the parts of her that don't want that. The parts of her that might be ambivalent, that might not really trust, that might not want to have to change in the way that she's going to need to change or be responsible for what she's going to need to be responsible for.

43:20So that's the value of looking at that. And I think, you know, learning how to tell on ourselves in a searing way, like I'm kind of a hardliner about this. I don't just say, well, I learned that when I was young and had to do this thing where I disappear myself a little bit, you know, in the hopes that people choose me or like me better or whatever I do, you know, where I'm softening it. I might say it like, I don't want to be responsible for, you know, the amount of power that I actually have. And so I disappear my power so that, you know, I can lean on other people and I don't have to own my power.

43:53I really tell on myself, like, what are you really up to, Catherine? Like, what's the part of you that doesn't really, you know, want what you say you want, that's not really committed, that's looking for the squirrel out? I think that's a hard question to answer. It's necessary, but I think it requires some digging. I don't know that I could come up with mine right away. It's being able to ask the right questions. Most of us, when we get stuck in a pattern, We ask ourselves questions about that. But the bottom line question always comes down to what's wrong with me? Why is this not working? Like your friend, what's wrong?

44:26What am I doing wrong? But most of us will ask ourselves kind of why questions. Why do I keep doing this? A why question is a little bit laced with shame. It's one inch away from what's wrong with me. That's so funny that you say that. I find that my why questions in interviews are harder for people to answer than hows. So then I might say, well, how are you giving your power away to this person? What's motivating you to do that? You know, what might be more true than that? What's a generative action you could take to move things in a different direction? So you have to ask questions that are forward moving.

45:01And can it be a very simple answer? Like, can the answer be, I believe I'm bad with money? Like, is it that simple? Yeah. And then the next question might be, I wonder who could help me with that. Or I wonder how I could improve by 5 % better with money, right? It's training ourselves to be developmentally oriented. You know, when we had these traumas way back when, and by the way, can I just say something? There's studies that in the womb consciousness is being formed. There's a wonderful book called, oh my gosh, The Secret Life of the Unborn Child or something that's been around for decades that I quote some of it in What's True about you because their research was so interesting.

45:44But they basically, if a mother didn't want to be pregnant, very often that child will come into the world already in an I'm not wanted center and defend against that mother and already, you know, formulating a personality. But I think that there are people who do past lives stuff. So who knows, you know, maybe we bring these strands of consciousness and maybe it's in the lineage, certainly in the culture, a lot of things that we're fighting against, crazy systems of untrue hierarchy and how we value human life. So we're learning the technology of how do you actually stand for a positive possible future that isn't going to happen unless you actually generate it.

46:27And you're standing in the part of yourself where you do have access to the power that you need to create that future.

46:42When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about, and they are experts at everything. Here at the Nick, Dick, and Poll Show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique... Who's he? He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean, like, the president? You think Canada has a president. You think China has a president. the La Cruzette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus.

47:22Yep. It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, Chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math & Magic, Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing. Math & Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing.

47:58I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance, and everywhere in between. This season of Math & Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death, Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, Take-Two Interactive CEO Strauss Zelnick. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top.

48:36Listen to Math & Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. An ambitious, well-intentioned, ferocious, and wealthy mother looks like in the Black community. This Women's History Month, the podcast Keep It Positive, Sweetie celebrates the power of women choosing healing, purpose, and faith, even when life gets messy. Love is not a destination. You have to work on it every day. Keep It Positive, sweetie, creates space for honest conversations on self-worth, love, growth, and navigating life with grace and grit, led by women who uplift, inspire, and tell the truth out loud.

49:13I have several conversations with God, and I know why it took 20 years. To hear this and more, listen to Keep It Positive, sweetie, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up? I'm Miles Turner. And I'm Brianna Stewart. And our podcast, Game Recognized Game, has never been done before. Two active players giving you a real look at our lives and what we actually think on and off the court. Nothing's off limits. We talk trade requests. What's the vibe of that when it's like your star player is like, well, I want to leave and then actually now I'm going to stay.

49:50We talk tanking. I mean, honestly, like I might get in trouble for this answer, but I think it's like definitely happening in the WBA. And yeah, we talk about our mistakes too. They pulled me to the side and was like, hey man, we got a call last night, man. You can't be rolling around the city like this the night before games, you know, doing this, doing whatever. And of course, family stories. And I'll be like, mommy, why did you miss that? Mommy, do you play basketball? Check out Game Recognized Game with Stewie and Miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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51:12Listen to Bleep with Ana Navarro as part of the My Cultura podcast network. Available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

51:30I learned a few years ago reading a book that imagination is a form of brilliance. It is a form of thinking. I always thought of it more as creativity. It's not. It's categorized as intellect and wisdom. You connect these ideas of identity and imagination, which I found so riveting. You say that we have to get creative enough to envision a new life before we can live it. How can we use imagination as a tool instead of just this wishful thinking? One of the things that's very important with manifestation is to make sure you actually have hunger in your heart for the thing that you want to manifest, which is not a small statement because sometimes, you know, we have ideas about our lives.

52:14We're supposed to be married. We're supposed to be successful. We're supposed to have this or have that. It's not something that we actually really hunger for. It's kind of an expectation. So that's going to be a harder lift to manifest that because desire is what the universe responds to. But if you have desire that's anchored in a I can't have what I want story, you know, because I'm not good enough or because I'm alone or because I'm damaged goods is another one. So if you're kind of somatically centered in that story, hard to feel desire because it's kind of torturous because you just assume you can't have that.

52:51And then it's painful. So a lot of us will shut down our desires. So in order to awaken our desires, we have to try on, there's meditations that I give, And when you buy the book, it's part of the bonuses is that I created these meditations for people where I take you through the practices that are in the book. But you start off, a miracle has happened. You already have this. Let's go into the future. What does it feel like to have this? What does it sound like? What does it taste like? You're just using your imagination. You're giving yourself prompts and you're just giving yourself snippets.

53:27I mean, I think this is what a vision board is. The vision boards have no power in and of themselves, by the way. You don't want to just create a vision board and stick it in your closet. The value of the vision board is that as you're creating it, you're owning something, you're opening to something. So it's about opening you up to the concept of trying on having this in your life. So then you keep it in a place where it's visible because you want to recreate your intention for what you're committed to creating every single day. It's not just a one-time event or a weekend workshop. You want to sit for 10 minutes a day and do this practice about, okay, I'm bringing my future in now.

54:09And then you want to start walking through the world as that future self. So most of us, if we really sit and listen to our soul, you want to sit with yourself every day. Just sit for five minutes. Just be with yourself. Don't be on social media. Don't be listening to other people. just sit with yourself so that you can find your soul and you start to listen to what it is you are uniquely coded for you know what are you here to do well danielle you know you're a mouthpiece you're the bringer of good news you're the bringer of healing like you are someone who is destined to be in the public destined to bring wisdom your wisdom keeper destined to bring this to the world.

54:53You feel that in your soul, like you just know that. So you start living into that future, but you're not living into the future like, what do I have to do to make this happen now? Where you want to start is, who would I need to be being in order for this to happen? I need to be a woman who is wise, actually. I need to be someone who has something valuable to say. So then you start holding yourself accountable to be that person. You start adjusting your body language. How do you walk through the world? I tell a story in the book where 30 years ago, I started to feel like I was going to be talking to thousands of people, which didn't make any sense to me because I was super shy.

55:31And the internet wasn't on board yet. So like, how would that ever happen? It was like a crazy thought. First of all, I didn't even know that I wanted that because I was so shy. And I thought, okay, well, that's what I'm feeling in the future. I'm going to be talking to thousands of people. I better have something to say of value. And I started holding myself accountable to being a woman of integrity. I started to my wisdom practice, like listening for wisdom, you know, and really holding myself accountable for being that person. But I had this little fun practice because I used to go into Starbucks every morning and get my morning coffee.

56:04And my old typical like habit of being because I was so shy was I was crunched down and maybe speak softly or something. So I would just say, how would a world class leader of enlightenment and love, order their morning coffee, you know, and I would just speak up in a bold voice, you know, because I'm practicing being the self of my future. I'm stepping into it. I have no evidence out here at all. I'm just going to be that until the world catches up. And at the same time, the meditation that I'm talking about, too, where you're using your imagination and you're just you're stretching yourself to get these snippets like, wow, What does it smell like when, you know, my beloved's making dinner for me, you know, my favorite dinner?

56:46And you're just kind of being in it and basking in it. Then you end with three questions. People can write these down if they want. Or then you come back into present time and you say to the universe, what will I need to give up in order to manifest this future? What do I need to let go of right now in my life? What doesn't belong here anymore? And you just listen for a minute or two. And usually we'll get an answer of some sort. And the next question is, how will I need to grow myself? What skills am I going to need to develop in order to prepare to receive this? The third question, what's my next step?

57:23What can I do today, right now, to start to move in the direction of that dream, to start to grow myself in the direction of the dream? So the game in manifestation is not to get what you say you want, it's to become who you would need to be to manifest and sustain it. I'm looking at the books behind you. You have your newest book, What's True About You. You have Calling in the One, and then you have Conscious Uncoupling. And in your new book, you talk about uncoupling from old identities. I'm wondering if you see conscious uncoupling as being just as much about separating from an old version of yourself as it is from separating with a partner?

58:03Yeah, the technology of what's true about you that I'm making available is at the heart of calling into one and conscious uncoupling. One of the things that happens in a breakup that makes it so hard to get over and turn into prolonged grief where you don't really get over it for a really long time is the meaning that you make at the level of identity. Usually we choose a partner because we think that they're going to kind of be the healing that we need of the old identity. I wasn't good enough, and now I'm like the salt of the earth for this person, and they're going to pledge their whole life to me, and I'm the one they choose.

58:43So it becomes like this great emancipation from the old identity. But as the relationship then goes on and then moves into a breakup, what people tend to do is villainize the other person or blame the other person. That's kind of common in a breakup. And it's almost like a little thing that happens in the brain where you start to devalue the relationship. And suddenly that person now is rewounding you in the very place that you thought they were going to heal you. And people get stuck in that story. And there's probably still energy where that person is still blaming and shaming. So one of the key emancipations that happens in conscious uncoupling is the ability to reconcile that and to recognize that, yeah, I got triggered into my I'm not good enough.

59:35And then I started showing up as less than who I am. I convinced you that I'm not good enough. I'm going to take responsibility for that and how I showed up because I would grovel, because I'd give my power away, because I wouldn't negotiate my needs or whatever that is. You're taking responsibility for it and how you generated that, how you actually enrolled the other person in your old story when you were triggered and centered in that story and generating life from that center. What I lead people through is what I call the soul to soul meditation. Do a very formal kind of ritual so that you're safe.

1:00:11If the other person feels unsafe, you make them really tiny in front of you. But you bring them before you and you explain to them who you really are. It's not who I am. I misrepresented myself. I take responsibility for playing that story out. Please forgive me. I'm asking you to relate to me in the truth of my value and my worthiness. I'm powerful. I'm worthy. I'm valuable. I'm lovable. I am more than good enough just as I am to be loved and worthy of love. And certainly I'm worthy of your respect. You just do it formally and it begins to liberate the person. And then you have the non-local kind of quantum physic realms where there's all sorts of stories that that then shifts the other person and they start to change.

1:00:58But I don't really go into that deeply because I'm not writing about that particular phenomenon. But I do touch on that in conscious uncoupling a little bit about the non-local phenomenon and how much access. But I mean, look, you've been with somebody. There's plenty of proof that we're still energetically connected. So you do have to make peace with that person. But the peace you're making is at the level of your own identity, liberate you from prolonged grief. And then it becomes a really tough lesson learned. Ouch, boy, do those life lessons hurt sometimes. But if we're growing and we're learning and we know we're going to do it differently next time, that's the golden prize that we're aspiring toward.

1:01:56to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique... Who's he? He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean, like, the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? The La Cruzette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time.

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1:06:34All the questions that you've asked me this last hour and asked us this last hour, they gave me an exhale. And I don't know that I've had that in a while. So thank you. But also, I can imagine you have asked yourself so many questions, especially over the last two years while you've been going through this painful cancer journey. Do you feel like you have given the world what you are called here to do? Have you reached that? I do have cancer, and I'm about a year and a half in. And in this moment, I'm in treatment again, because I went back into, I had a little setback, because it had gone down.

1:07:15And now, you know, that seems to be the dance that we're in. But I'm seeing progress forward. So I'm very grateful. Ironically, and this is bizarre, I was writing Conscious Uncoupling, I get breast cancer. This time, I got ovarian cancer when I was writing this book. Isn't that weird? So of course, that's food for reflection like what is that i've come to see it as a grace because both teachings i felt the future of what was opening up you know i have this very privileged position of just pioneering new things you know calling in the one even though it's so common now you know your inner beliefs and what you think your inner life reflecting in having something to do with who you call in.

1:08:01Calling in the one was the first one to introduce any of these ideas. As a matter of fact, I couldn't get a book deal on it. We had 18 rejections and they all said the same thing. She's saying something exactly opposite of what everyone else is saying. So I do have that really, and I take it like a sacred privilege. I don't even know how it descended on me because I love it that I think creatively like that, right? So calling in the one, conscious uncoupling, open something up. This book, the future that I feel for this book, first of all, I'm creating a new form of psychotherapy because I think psychotherapists are hungry to be trained in, well, how do we begin to work with the future to graduate from old habits and patterns?

1:08:44I feel that this book can have a profound impact in how we're all engaging personal development work. It does have new ideas and a lot more clarity. And I'm looking forward to people building upon what I've now presented. I've presented the foundation of it and I'm excited to see what's going to open up from that. So I do see that we have coaches, we're training and stuff to be able to get that work out in the world. But both times I had a vibrant future to live into that was very consuming and exciting to me. So I think I didn't talk about the cancer as I was writing the book in the book at all, but I was writing the book as I was in treatment.

1:09:23But I think that the adversity of it, the obstacle of it, the gravity of the situation brought out the best in me. And I think the book is better for it now because I didn't hold anything back. We're only here for a minute, it, you know, and you better go for the gold. You better say what you as a soul came here to say and contribute what you came here to contribute. So I think it emboldened me. And now I have a ton of people praying for me. Every day I wake up, I feel like I'm just kind of riding this magic carpet, like I'm just floating on their prayers. I can feel it. So just asking for prayer, being open and receptive to the love that people are showing me has been very transformative and beautiful.

1:10:08So the future I'm living into is full remission. And just speaking that full remission gives me creative ideas. Oh, I could do this today and I could do that today. So it keeps me generating healing as opposed to collapsing into the gravity of the seriousness or the drama of the situation. I also just have practices. I make it a practice, which doesn't mean I do it all the time perfectly, but I like turning things into practices. I don't complain. I just express gratitude. Because I can feel the energy lifting. Life is fluid. We're creating life all the time. So we want to be conscious of what we're creating.

1:10:46I want to ask you a few rapid fire questions, if you'll indulge me.

1:10:54What is one belief about love that you used to have that you no longer believe? I think I used to believe years ago that love was just something you found and didn't generate each and every day. Is there a manifestation technique you advise other people try? I think this idea of, you know, what's my next step is a really critical one. You want to take the next step grounded in power center. The first place you want to go, power center, which is, you know, I'm worthy of the love that I seek or, you know, life is on my side. Life is not against me. So you want to make sure that your consciousness is anchored in the having, and then you take action from there.

1:11:34and you want to move that needle forward, whatever you can do, whatever you can clean up, whatever you can sort through, make room for, there's always one action you can take each day to move yourself in the direction of that dream. Even if that's learning a skill like, okay, well, how do I have boundaries? How do I negotiate my needs? To keep learning, keep growing toward the future you desire. What is a tool that you learned as a therapist or in therapy that you use often? I think it's the ability to know what you feel in any given moment and to know what you need. I talked about the self-love power practice where you say to yourself, sweetheart, what are you feeling?

1:12:13You listen and you mirror it back. At some point then, maybe after asking five, six times, you kind of clear yourself. And then you say, and what do you need? So starting to learn the inner terrain and just really honor yourself. What do you feel? What do you need? You can't always give yourself what you need. But sometimes just the acknowledgement is enough. So keep working with yourself all through the day. Always know what you feel. Always know what you need. What's going on inside of you. I'm going to take, what do you need? And what is the next step? The question I have for you, is there a question everyone should ask themselves once a year?

1:12:48Oh, once a year. How about once a day? Okay. Tell me once a day. Once an hour, what am I assuming is true? Let's start living from truth, really, from strength. You know, all of us born at this time have a job to do. And it's to elevate our own consciousness. It's to sort out old patterns. If you look at the trajectory of human becoming, you see that each era of humanity had things to create, you know, hurricanes or railroads or cities, you know, that were moving somewhere. And our generation is working in the inner domain of consciousness. So to start to get a handle on what's really happening within us and to sort ourselves so that we have the power to live from strength, to live from truth, to live in a way that's generative and even generative of gifts given to future generations of people who never know our names.

1:13:42That's our job. So that, you know, little girls, little boys, two generations from now just wake up knowing that they are inherently valuable. They're more anchored in truth. That's how it works in the human chain of becoming. So we have a job to do, and I love your role in helping us all do it, Daniel. You're a rock star. Thank you, Catherine. I'm trying to learn from you, truly. Is there a book that you've read that's changed your life, something you think everybody should read, aside from your own three beautiful books? Well, going through this journey, I've gotten back to an old book that was written in 1927 by a woman named Frances Scobble Chin called The Game of Life and How to Play It.

1:14:25And she's just hardcore metaphysics. She's just hardcore generate the future you want. So that's the one I've been reading lately. My last question is I do the Question Everything card game because we're virtual. You just tell me when to stop. Stop. Okay. What game have you spent the most hours playing? It's funny. I just said The Game of Life and How to Play. I know. I was thinking. Gosh, you know, I'm not really a game person. Most of my attention is upping my own ante on integrity. There's this whole thing happening in our world, and particularly with the salt leader world right now about integrity.

1:15:02And I don't know, there's a lot of conversations coming up that the whole Deepak thing with Epstein is bringing out into the open. And I think it's a really beautiful conversation. But to me, integrity is everything. And you have nothing if you don't have your integrity. So keeping your word, doing what you say you're going to do, or clean it up, be responsible for what you're creating for others. Just living clean. That's my game. So beautiful, Catherine. Thank you for sharing your time with us. I'm really grateful. Thanks for having me.

1:15:37Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day to have a good day. I'll see you next week.

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