AI and Longevity: The Next Trillion-Dollar Markets ft. Peter Diamandis

35:27For millennia, we didn't have jobs. We survived. I had the pleasure of being on stage with Sadhguru a number of years ago. And I remember he said something that I'll never forget. He said, technology is the means by which we take a vacation from survival, which is like, that's beautiful. It is so true. So we're taking a vacation. There's going to be technological socialism. What I mean by that is where technology, not the state, is taking care of your needs. It's keeping you healthy, keeping you fed, keeping you educated, keeping you entertained. Now, where do I think that's going? What are my concerns?

36:10There are a number. Number one, we humans need to up-level our purpose, right? I opened my next book that chapter one is called Our Ancestors Would View Us as Gods, right? And it's true. We are as gods given what we can do today. We don't think about it, but if you went back a hundred years ago or a thousand years ago and said, watch this. It would be like, whoa, you know, we're, we're godlike in that regard. So, um, we're going to be, you know, 10 X, a hundred X. So how do we up level what our goals, ambitions are? Um, we need challenge and we need purpose. We are, um, you know, a video game that is too easy that you win with a bat of an eye.

37:03You don't play it anymore. So how do we keep ourselves challenged in this world where there is technological socialism? We need purpose. I spend a lot of time, you know, I speak about having a massive transformative purpose, right? It's the everyone who comes into my Abundance 360 community has to, we work with them to create their massive transformative purpose. And then that's the canvas. And then on that MTP canvas, what is the moonshot you're working on? Where are you going 10x bigger than the rest of the world, right? What is it that wakes you up in the morning, keeps you going at night? And we're going to be able to take those bigger moonshots, right?

37:47We think of Elon as an example of a moonshot entrepreneur. Well, what happens if you could do that, right? If what would you do, what would you want to create? So I think these are empowering and important conversations that we need to have. And there's one other element, and I, I'm cautious bringing it in, but we're going to merge with technology. You know, there is, you know, when I'm on stages as you are and I ask an audience, you know, 1 ,000, 5 ,000, 10 ,000 people, anybody here who doesn't have their cell phone, right? And there's no one. The last one I think was like five years ago and they had left it in their Uber.

38:38I said, you want to have one? No, no, I left it in the Uber and have it with me. I said, great. So we're already outsourcing so much, but we're on the verge of connecting our neocortex of our brain to the cloud. Because A, we will be able to, but B, once you have that ability to know anything you want instantly, just think and Google or omniscience, being able to see through the eyes of humanoid robots someplace. It's also, I think, a future of a powerful connection where 8 billion humans are connected, a level of empathy and connection never before imagined. I do think within this, something i agree with you i kind of think that the world is going to split into two types of people we're going to speciate yes we're going to speciate we really are at first it's going to be the decelerationist and the accelerationist which we're already seeing yeah and these guys are going to enhance themselves and we're going to create separate species we are we've seen this with the movement.

39:54We've seen this in different parts of human history. And that's fine. People should have the choice and the option. But I think, how do I put this properly? You ain't seen nothing yet. You know, in terms of, you know, our job is to, is to make sure that these technologies are are abundance loving, life loving, are uplifting humanity, and enabling people to be able to do what they desire to do in a respectful fashion. But I mean, the thing I have to just remind people of, this is not your kid's future. This is your future, right? This is not your kids or grandkids challenge. This is not something happening in 30 years, 40 years, 50 years.

40:54It's the next decade. A lot of the stuff is going to be decided. I had Elon on my stage at Abundance 360 this past, last March of 24. And, you know, we were talking about how fast AI is moving, you know, and, you know, to quote him, he said, listen, I've never seen anything move this fast. And I've seen a lot of things. You know, he's seeing 100x acceleration in a year. We used to think about Moore's law as being a doubling in compute every 18 months, 24 months. But what What we've seen is all of the compute and algorithms driving AI going from a doubling every year to 10x every year now to 100x.

41:44And the biggest challenge, and you know this, is society and humans don't grok change at that speed. So let's have a peek into your kind of portfolio of investment companies in AI. And then we'll go into how this leads us into longevity. But I want to, you know, I watch, you know, a lot of your videos. I see that you've got interesting investments. We have common friends and people like MF Mostak and all sorts of stuff. But I want to see, have a peek inside because your portfolio allows us to look into the future, not the present. So what do you see that's interesting there? So, you know, I split my life into two, into three elements.

42:31Companies I start myself, companies I invest in through my venture fund, and then public equities. So I started a company called daily.ai that I use, which is an AI engine that searches the world's information and delivers me custom newsletters that I want. This is everything that's going on in longevity today that is scientifically valid, is a pro-abundance mindset, isn't dystopian, and raises above the threshold of an important breakthrough. So I search, the engine searches the world's information and delivers me something called longevityinsider.org, which is free for folks. I have another one called Future Loop, which looks at all of the world's information in computation, sensors, networks, AI, robotics, 3D printing.

43:35So it just helps me keep on top of how fast things are changing. I built a venture fund in the AI space called Exponential Ventures with a dear friend, David Blunden. We just invested there and my other fund, Bold Capital, in something called Liquid AI. That's a spin out of MIT, which went from$30 million to a$600 million valuation and now will be in the mid-billions in 24 months. Insane. What is it doing? It is delivering AI capabilities that are arguably 100 to 1 ,000 times better than the generative pre-trained transformers, the GPT models. And you'll hear a lot more about it in the next couple of months.

44:32So it's just the acceleration of the acceleration, right? So I'm always looking for companies that have unique data or own the customer and are able to ride on top of this rapidly self-improving AI engines. Or it has to be at the very top of that AI engine or it's synthetic data. So again, the exponential ventures we're looking for, mostly we are funding companies coming out of the MIT Harvard ecosystem. young entrepreneurial groups. And then the public equities, I'm a huge fan of still Tesla. Still feels like it's a misunderstood company. Yeah. No, I think I'm an investor in XAI. Tesla, I think I would never bet against Elon and the ecosystem he's built in terms of massive compute, talent aggregation, and data from X and from Tesla.

45:41I love Google. Why are they failing? They feel like Xerox Park of old, right? Which they have all the breakthroughs and none of the commerciality. What's going on there? I get it. And they had everything you've seen from OpenAI, Google had earlier. They were just cautious on releasing it because there was always the ethos. And I respect the leadership, Sundar and the whole team there, huge respect for them. It was like, we need to make sure this is safe for humanity. And then of course, OpenAI goes, boom, here it all is. And it's like, you need to then, it's an AI arms race that is truly going on.

46:25Anthropic is doing amazing. You know, the new Claude is really, really good. Yeah. So, and it's interesting, right? So six months ago, you can test these AI models on an IQ test and Claude, you know, three and 3.5, you know, tested above 100 IQ, which means, you know, it's already at or above human levels. But it's superhuman in all of these are in some ways. Google is just such an extraordinary company. I just think we see them leapfrog. And they're just taking their time. They've got an amazing revenue engine. And I just see them as a very deep company. They had some screw-ups, yes. But I would never bet against them as well.

47:23So those are where I'm seeing a lot of the fundamental AI, the large language models, the large compute. I think we're also going to see Intel come back with a vengeance against NVIDIA in terms of chip manufacturing.

47:50because they need to. And, you know, it's just going to be a game of leapfrog. Are these things just utilities in the end because of this massive competition? Yes, they are utilities in the end for sure. And the question becomes, you know, this is oxygen. This is electricity. These are our fundamentals. And a lot of questions. and Imad Moustak who's been a friend. I've known Imad for 25 years. Yeah. Oh, fantastic. You knew him before I did. I knew him. He competed in one of our X prizes. Of course, you know him from the investment banking. That's right. Yeah. And we were both from London. Yeah.

48:31Yeah. He's extremely brilliant. Right. And I've said, okay, listen, you're a great founder and chairman. Don't be the CEO of the company. Somebody else run it. But Imad talks about this. is this has got to be a fundamental utility in every nation. And I see it like he does, for sure. Longevity is another thing that obviously you're interested in. Actually, just before we move on to that, the other part of the equation, we've talked about compute. There's a lot of people, NVIDIA and everybody trying to solve this, AMD, MSL, ASML, Intel. Electricity. Elon's been talking about this. How do we generate enough electricity to keep this exponential growth?

49:14Big problem. So I just come back from India and I was talking about electricity. And if you look at it, the US is generating four terawatts of power, four terawatt hours of power. And I graph this over time and the US current power production is flat and not projected increase. China just blows through four terawatt hours and continues growing and it's doubled and tripled the amount of energy it's generating. India is on a trajectory to double it. If you look at 2030 and the projected power needs for AI, it's ridiculous, but it's 100 % of the US energy output is projected to be needed by AI. So of course you can't do that.

50:04So what do you do? So we're going to, and this is why you hear about Sam Altman investing in Helion for fusion and where he gets a commercial contract from Microsoft. But I think the only source of energy that's going to allow us to scale that quick is fourth generation nuclear. It is, most of the plants out there that have given us a bad rap are second generation. You can now build nuclear power plants that are safe enough that I'd welcome it in my backyard, right? They can't fail or that when they fail, they fail in a safe fashion. I shouldn't say can't fail. That brings up a whole bunch of people saying, yeah, sure.

50:49I've heard that before. But they fail in a safe fashion that saves the whole system. um so we're going to end up building these massive gpu clusters that are going to have to have an energy source built adjacent to them are they natural gas this is a distributed grid as well it's very different to you know san francisco generating the power for all the companies in san francisco you have to have your own nuclear plant or solar plants whatever it is or we're going to move the GPUs to where the power is. Right. Yeah. Right. And, and so, you know, just like, you know, we, we moved crypto mining, you know, Bitcoin mining centers to, you know, lots of geothermal energy here.

51:39Let's, let's put it here. Right. Because the, the, the, the data can flow at the speed of light to any place on the planet. So I think we're going to see that, but there is a massive energy issue facing us. And of course, the more and more companies, the more and more people, the more and more industry dependent on AI, the more energy we're going to be consuming there. The biggest challenge becomes then all of these companies and countries that, with all good intention, signed up for climate caps are now trying to say, well, okay, do we allow China to outdo us to make China the enemy in this scenario?

52:31Because they're massively growing their energy. But most of their growth is coming from renewables. I mean, it is exponential what they're doing. They are, but they're also bringing on every form of energy. A nuclear as well. Yeah. And so what do we do? Do we fall behind on AI because we're trying to keep the planet safe? Or do we go and build the AI first and then use that to help us solve the climate crisis? By the way, the number one tool for solving the climate crisis will be AI, giving us new materials that are able to pull carbon out of the atmosphere, new catalysts, new mechanisms of energy production.

53:18right? I'll just mention as an aside, as you know, I'm chairman of the XPRIZE Foundation and I got Elon to, I reached out to him back in 21 and said, we need a massive XPRIZE for carbon sequestration. And he said yes instantly. And he funded a$100 million XPRIZE for gigaton carbon removal from the atmosphere, from the oceans. And we've had like 6 ,000 teams enter that, we're down to 300 finalists building hardware, and we'll have a winner of that in the next 18 months. So, you know, we're never going to solve the problems that we have today using the technology from, you know, a decade ago, right?

54:02It's always going to be the next generation of tech that's going to help us solve the next biggest problems. Yeah. And I also think that we understand what the issue is, which is electricity. and therefore there's a lot of capital that coalesce to solve it as fast as possible because the stakes are so high for not only corporations who can make so much money economies nation states and the world it's like it'll get solved yeah i i teach this again in my in my abundance and singularity university abundance 360 is the highest level for of Singularity University, what I teach is, listen, the world's biggest problems are the world's biggest business opportunities, right?

54:46Want to become a billionaire, help a billion people. It's that. And this 10 to the 9th plus thinking, right? Positively impacting the lives of a billion is what we can do today. You know, an entrepreneur scaling with exponential technologies can build something that can positively impact the lives of a billion people. And that's an amazing idea. Yeah, totally. Now let's move on to longevity, because it's another important part of this is the human element. Part of it's merging with the machines. Also, it's using AI to find ways of improving our longevity and our health span as well. What are you seeing?

55:21You've always been at the forefront of this. It's super interesting. As people know, on Real Vision, we've interviewed the Fountain Life guys. I'm actually even going there, which is something that you set up. So it's very interesting to a lot of people. Yeah, I'll be there next week. So every year, So let's talk about first off, and then I'll get into the more advanced side of longevity. If I were to ask anyone in an audience, and I say, how many of you know without any question, there's nothing going on inside your body you need to know about? I think very few people would raise their hand. And I don't at this moment.

55:59Next week, when I go through my Fountain Life upload, I do this once a year. I'll go to, we have four centers today. We're about to announce the next six centers. We're in conversation with 30 around the world. These are super high-end diagnostics and therapeutic centers. And so when I go there, I do a full body imaging, full body MRI, brain, brain vasculature, a coronary CT looking for soft plaque using an AI overlay, low dose lung CT, a DEXA scan, full genomics, metabolomics, microbiome, 120 blood biomarkers, everything knowable about me becomes knowable. And in that moment, and it's about a five, maximum six hour period of time, it's very efficient.

56:51All of the tech is right there. I'm there to answer two questions. Number one, is there anything going on inside my body I need to know about? And hopefully there isn't, but I'll know. All right. People say, I don't want to know. I said, bullshit. You want to know, you're going to find out eventually. Yeah. It's scary, but you might as well know early. Do you want to know now and you do something about it or it's too late? The second question we're there to answer is what's likely to happen to you and how do we optimize your body, maximize vitality. Because we can do that now. The company is based on what's called functional medicine, which is root cause medicine.

57:33It's the most advanced version of medicine. We have an amazing chief medical officer, Helen Messier. And what we find is that 2 % of people coming through who think they're fine have a cancer they don't know about. Two and a half percent have an aneurysm they don't know about. 14.4 % either have metabolic, neurodegenerative, cardiovascular, or one of the other. And it's just, we're all optimists about our health. And I mean, you know, we all know someone who went to the hospital with a pain in their side and they say, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you've got stage three or four, this or that.

58:20And it didn't happen that morning. Right. And I have, you know, numerous people I know who died in their sleep or their spouse died in their sleep. And again, all of this is preventable. And so I think it is a moral and ethical obligation for people to, to get access to these kinds of technologies. It's expensive still. The price is going to come down. A full found upload, which by the way, comes with a concierge medical team, functional medicine, MD, a nurse, a dietician, a coach. It's 20K a year. Yeah. I've got mine booked, so I just need to go, but yes. And we're going to be bringing on a lower tier membership in the next, six months.

59:15But I tell people, please, you owe it to yourself. You're going to spend the money eventually when you end up in the hospital with something. I might as well spend it when you can prevent it from happening versus spending a massive amount down the line. So that's Fountain Life. And very proud of the team. I can't wait for you to go. Actually, I'm going to my upload next week which which clinic are you going to i'm going to the orlando center because that's the head producer yeah that's the one i'm going to as well yeah so there's new we have in new york we have orlando we have naples florida the newest one is in dallas we're going to be bringing on six new centers um la arizona boston houston miami um a couple in europe and we're talking to multiple locations.

1:00:10Long story short, if you don't go to Fountain Life, find somewhere else you can go. Understand what's going on inside your body. You owe it to yourself. Anyway, so that's the, I call that not dying from something stupid, right? Because it really is, it's like, you feel like an idiot, like, holy shit, I could have found out about that years ago. The second, by the way, that's half of Fountain Life, half, which I'm excited about, is the therapeutics. We are searching the world, and I'm driving this as much as I can, for the most advanced therapeutic treatments out there, and then bringing them to the centers where we make them available to the members.

1:00:59And so let's talk about the second part of longevity.

1:01:07It's moving at an exponential rate as well. It's doing that on the back of AI, on the back of technologies like CRISPR, gene therapy, single cell sequencing. all of these things are enabling us to really understand what is going on in the billion chemical reactions per second happening in all of your 40 trillion human cells, right? We're a collection of 40 trillion cells. And, you know, the idea that some doctor is going to listen to the stethoscope and know what's going on, like it's a ridiculous notion. So I'm tracking about 500 companies in the biotech longevity space. I'm doing this through different ways.

1:01:58I have my venture fund bold and bold longevity growth that are investing in biotech and longevity businesses. So that gives me a point of view. The companies I advise when I'm doing my books, I've written two books in this space, one with Tony Robbins and one longevity or practical playbook. And folks can get a digital copy for free. If you go to diamandis.com slash longevity, it's a lot of my longevity resources, the stuff that I teach and so forth. And then every year I do a deep dive. I narrow it down to the top 50 companies and I take a group of CEOs and family offices and venture capitalists to go for five days to visit these 50 companies.

1:02:52And one year it's on the East Coast. This coming September, October, it's on the West Coast. We're meeting with the top three epigenetic CEOs. These are companies backed by Sam Altman, by Jeff Bezos, by Brian Armstrong, right? Right. These, you know, billionaires are waking up to the fact that you can't take it with you. I might as well try and like, you know, maximize longevity. Right. And and so that I call my longevity platinum trip. And so I walk away after this five day deep dive with this gestalt image of how fast things are moving. And it's lightning fast. I'll give you one example. Deep mind.

1:03:34And again, this is Google's AI, you know, Demis, another Londoner, you know, Brett, who's brilliant, super sweetheart guy, right? He created DeepMind, sold to Alphabet. bet. Years ago, they did something called AlphaFold, which was a neural net model that was able to predict how in a sequence of amino acids would fold into a protein, which was always a supercomputing problem. It was very, very difficult. It was always thought of the supercomputing problem And they solved it like within a single atomic radius perfection. And then they solved it for all proteins. And now they have alpha fold three, which is able to predict how different molecules of life, a carbohydrate, a protein, a RNA molecule, how those would interact together.

1:04:37Where are they going next? imagine being able to model your human cell. Like, based on your DNA, this is your cell, fully modeled. And this drug does or does not work for you, right? And then we're going to model not just your cell, but you. And that level of modeling in medicine is going to be revolutionary because now we do clinical trials in silica. We find out why this person lived to 120 and this person is dead at 60. And then how do we slow, stop and reverse aging? And so this is the conversation going on right now. Aging has always been viewed as inevitable. And in fact, there's lots of business models like the Catholic Church, based upon the fact you're going to die.

1:05:38And let me ask a couple of questions here just to poke people's thinking. I think we all know people get into their 90s and even to 100. But did you know that a Greenland shark can live for 400 or 500 years? A bowhead whale routinely makes it to 200 years. So why can they, why can't we? And I remember when I saw that when I was in medical school years ago, I said, it's either a hardware problem or a software problem. And we're going to be able to solve that. And I think this is the decade that we're making a dent in understanding this. So is it health span or lifespan that you think that's the change factor here for now?

1:06:28It is health span because no one wants to be drooling and brain dead in a wheelchair, right? That's lifespan. at healthspan is how how long do you have the vitality the energy the cognition the aesthetics to love life to wake up and say this is fucking awesome i'm so excited the world is amazing i can't wait for my next company my next education my next adventure whatever it is and have that mindset when you're 80 or 90 all right that's the goal um and in fact uh going back to x Prize. Last year, we launched what's called the HealthSpan XPRIZE. So it's a$101 million prize. It's funded. I'm a significant donor.

1:07:16It's the largest donations I've ever made. It's funded by Chip Wilson, founder of Lululemon. It's funded out of Saudi Arabia by Evolution Foundation and by a number of my abundance, platinum members are significant benefactors of this. We actually raised$141 million. There's$101 million major purse. And to win this prize, a team has to, in people ages 65 to 85, that's the age bracket, you have to demonstrate that with one year of therapy, you can reverse muscle, immune, and cognition by a minimum of 10 years and a goal of 20 years. So imagine you had the muscular strength of you 20 years earlier, the cognitive clarity, the immune function of you 20 years earlier.

1:08:11And we have like 400 teams entered this competition so far after less than a year. I think we'll get to a thousand teams and it goes through 2030. And do we see the results by 2030 or is that the selection process and everything else? The competition is running through that and we're going to have, I mean, this is moving faster and faster and faster, right? So it's the world's biggest business, right? When I'm on stage at a YPO event or a large family office event and I ask, honestly, how much of your capital, you're 80 years old, you're nine, you're 85, you're nine years old. How much of your wealth would you give for an extra 30 vital years, right?

1:08:59I can rewind the clock to when you're 50, where you've got the energy, where you've got the drive, you've got, you know, you feel great about yourself. What would you give for that? And if anybody's, you know, honest with themselves, they'd give the vast majority, 80, 90 % of their net worth, right? So So how big a marketplace is that? It's, you know, it's tens of trillions of dollars. A question for you is one of the things I've thought of for a long time is somehow we need AI to be able to access all of the medical data, all of the tests ever done on all of the people with, you know, that ability to put at mass scale and then allow AI will solve things a lot faster because it can pattern recognize.

1:09:46recognized you can do all sorts of things but we're it's still siloed right whatever's in john's hopkins says in john's hopkins and you kind of don't share it on a globalized basis it it is siloed you know i think what's interesting is we all eight billion of us have the same disease called aging um and what i'm excited about is i think any therapeutic that works for you or me will work for everybody else. And I do think in the final result, while it might be expensive in the first year or two, maximum the first five years, it will demonetize very rapidly. Because we've seen this before, any, you know, the stuff that's expensive in medicine is the stuff that's for a very small group.

1:10:36A gene therapy for a very unique genetic disease can run you a million dollars. But a gene therapy for a mass market, the COVID RNA vaccines were gene therapies. And in vast production, they were a couple of bucks a dose. Yeah, the efficiencies of scale, I guess. The massive efficiency. And because we all have that same disease of aging, right so the demand for it is in the billions not in the you know thousands so um i think the data is siloed um i think uh and unfortunately a lot of the data is really for sick individuals not not people who are vital already that's a very good point actually you've you're getting a weird data sample yeah so i mean one of the things that we're doing in fountain right now is because we upload people year on year on year.

1:11:39And one thing importantly for you is it's not a one and done, right? This is a lifelong, long life membership. I go every year, I sort of hold my breath, you know, I need to catch something at the very inception because it turns out we are constantly creating cancers in our body. People know that, right? There's something called the Hayflick limit. a cell divides 50 times and then three things can happen. One, it can have the decency to die. The other thing that happens is it sticks around as a senile cell or what's sometimes called a grouchy old man cell. It's sitting there living, generating inflammatory factors and senolytic medicines are trying to kill those cells, which cause everything from wrinkles or inflammation, a whole bunch of things.

1:12:30Or they become cancers. And your immune system, your innate immune system, your natural killer cells are constantly searching your body for cancer cells. And they zap them when they find them because they're always arising. It's when your immune system gets exhausted. It's called immuno exhaustion. And the cancer cell can hide and begin growing that we develop the cancer. And so one of the reasons we talk about in the XPRIZE health span, immune function reversal is to re-energize your immune system. And there's lots of approaches. So at my platinum trip coming up this fall, we've got amazing companies that are part of the XPRIZE or, you know, I know them through my Venture Fund that are looking at revitalizing your immune system to an age 30 years earlier, right?

1:13:33And you want that to combat against infectious disease and cancer. I have a great deal of expectation, hope, belief, and I think validation that this field is moving forward. One other question for you. When you're born, you get 3.2 billion letters from your mom and your dad. That's your software. You have the same software when you're 20, when you're 50, when you're 80, when you're 100. Why do you look different? If it's the same genes, it hasn't changed over time. Well, it turns out it's not the genes you have. It's which genes are on and which genes are off. And that's called your epigenome from the Greek word for above.

1:14:25And as you're growing older, your epigenome starts shifting and the right genes get turned off. The wrong genes get turned on. There's reasons for this because we were never evolutionarily designed to live past age 30. Let me begin with that. you know, it's downhill from age 30 because you, once you passed on your genes at age 13, 200 ,000 years ago, it was no benefit for you. In fact, it was a disincentive because you're eating the food from your grandkids' mouths. And so your epigenome drifts. So a lot of really smart physicians and we'll meet many of them on this platinum trip and entrepreneurs realized if I could move back that control system to an earlier stage, can I bring you back to an earlier stage of vitality?

1:15:18And folks like David Sinclair and George Church and anyway, a number of others have been working on this. And the belief is yes, in fact, we can. And we've seen it in animal models, in dogs, and now in primates. And we'll see it in humans before the end of this decade. So I'm tracking, for example, New Limit, backed by Brian Armstrong, is doing this with Blake Byers. A company called Altos Labs that's backed by Yuri Milner and Jeff Bezos. We'll meet the CEO of that company on this adventure trip, on this platinum trip. And then Retro, which is backed by Sam Altman, all of these are epigenetic reprogramming companies.

1:16:12And so a lot's going on. And so now the question becomes, all right, how are you thinking about your life differently if there's a increased likelihood that you can make it significantly and vitally over 100? Are you saving enough money? Are you excited about it? Right? There's a concept, and I'll say one more thing and then pause, because I've been on a rant here. There's a concept called longevity escape velocity, right? And so today, for every year that you're alive, science is extending your life for about a quarter to a third of a year. and that's just breakthroughs that are going on better treatments better science better diagnostics there is going to be a point that for every year you're alive science is extending your life for more than a year and that's called longevity escape velocity and I interview every scientist and technologist that I meet in this field and ask them when do you think we're going to hit that Ray Kurzweil, who just wrote his latest book, Singularity is Near, is adamant it's 2030.

1:17:26We'll reach that, right? Not very far away. David Sinclair, George Church at Harvard, we've talked about it. And, you know, their belief is in mid 2030s, right? So again, even if it's 20 years from now, your job is to keep yourself healthy and vital to intercept that, right? And then once you do that, the abundance mindset, the optimism and enthusiasm will carry you through it and you'll enjoy it. And you'll enjoy the changes we've been talking about as well as this new technology across the board comes in. yeah, I think that's it. I think you're absolutely right. It's your mindset, right? So I talk about a curiosity mindset.

1:18:18I'll talk about a longevity mindset. And the longevity mindset is I believe and I'm seeing enough to know that we're going to be able to extend the human health span. Again, not lifespan, health span is what really matters here. for all of these reasons, all of these things come together. And if I believe that, I want to keep myself in the best health to intercept that longevity escape velocity. And then with an abundance mindset, exponential mindset, a moonshot mindset, how big would you dream? Right? Like I want to go start a city on the moon. I want to go mine asteroids. I want to go, you know connect my brain because our limiting factors are being taken away in a way that is incomprehensible happening so fast the factors that limit our optimism our what we think we're capable of now anybody can be a polymath because of ai you can be an expert on anything it says oh it's got an iq of 100 but it's got an iq of 100 based on every single topic of all of humanity.

1:19:27That's a polymath. Right. I mean, Elon's projection, you can talk to a number of experts, they range, but AGI, whatever that means, it's a very foggy, fuzzy term, artificial general intelligence, 2025, 2026. But then imagine AI that's as intelligent as the entire human race. AI that's a billion times more intelligent than the human species, right? There's no ceiling. There's no artificial ceiling as AI crashes through human intelligence. It keeps going. Final question for you, because I know I've got to go. So if it's a longevity diet, it's a short answer. Is it plant-based? Is it a low-carb diet?

1:20:17What is the thing? Well, what do you do? What is your general? So the book I just wrote, Longevity or Practical Playbook. And again, you can get a digital version of that on that, dmanis.com slash longevity. And it's not for me making money. It's like getting people out. Because what happened, I'd get people asking me this. And I wrote a five-page Word document and said, this is what I do. Then I grew it to 10 pages, 20 pages. It grew to 120 pages. and um when Tony and I wrote Life Force which was a 700 page book it was New York Times number one bestseller for two months it's hard to read a 700 page book so I said this is the digest this is what I do in in diet sleep exercise meds and supplements mindset and not dying from something stupid.

1:21:07In other words, the fountain upload. And so it is in diet, it is the number one thing is sugar restriction. Hate to say it, it is sugar is an inflammatory agent, cardiac, neurocognitive inflammatory agent. Our bodies were never designed to take in as much sugar as we have. So minimizing your sugar and high glycemic index foods. The second one is plant-based maximizing the amount of multicolored plants you take in. So that doesn't mean necessarily vegetarian or vegan. It means the majority of what you eat should be plant-based. And there's no right diet for everybody. It depends on what your genetics are.

1:21:49You know, I eat a Mediterranean diet. I attack vegetables. My favorite thing on the planet, surprisingly, like literally is steamed broccoli with olive oil and lemon. I mean, it's like I'm salivating. I've gotten myself to salad just thinking about that. And, and so, uh, and if there's lots of colored, uh, veggies on the plate, um, I'll, I'll eat those. Uh, I'll maximize the number of colors in a rainbow. I eat not Skittles. Like these are vegetables. I'll just mention one thing I learned. Um, you know, if you've got a plate of food, uh, eat your vegetables first. Uh, it slows down of digestion, eat your protein next, and then last eat any carbs, right?

1:22:34The problem is when you go to a restaurant and your basket of bread and wine at the beginning, they're doing that because it spikes your blood glucose and your insulin, and then you're just hungry and you order more and you get a dessert. Be kind to your body in that regards. I'll just mention we need Eight hours of sleep, maximizing sleep is important. And the number one thing I do is exercise. I try and get in as much as I can, even if it's just a 30-minute gym or just get my muscles going. Last year, I added 10 pounds of muscle mass, which was not easy. And now my job is to maintain that. but it is my greatest reserve for maximizing health.

1:23:25Peter, thank you. Amazing conversation. Really enjoyed it. Please remind people again. So it was the diamandis.com forward slash. If you go to diamandis.com, I put out a blog twice a week, one on longevity, one on AI. If diamandis.com slash longevity, you can get access to the book. I have a moonshots as my podcast. I'm at Peter Diamandis on all social media. And if you're interested in my Abundance CEO Summits, it's Abundance360.com. And I just think it's the most exciting time ever to be alive. and my job is help people see that grow their uh their vision and not be fearful of future but be excited about the future uh because it's coming it's coming fast totally agree i love it brilliant peter good to see you again and i'm sure we'll see you soon at some point i look forward to that my friend so another mind-blowing brilliant conversation with peter he explains things so well and hopefully it's got across to you how important this all is we can extend our lives our life spans and our health spans i mean who doesn't want that who doesn't want that particularly if we don't have to work as hard because the game changes i have my own views on how we work i think we find our purpose and our work from the universal basic equity idea of working within communities and having stakes in them, much like we do in Bitcoin or Ethereum or Solana, or we do in meme coins, or we will have in football clubs or Taylor Swift or whatever it may be.

1:25:13It's all coming. Kind of a revolution in what we do as humans is actually to be more human. And the robots and the AI take care of the rest. So I think that if you don't understand this, you are going to be angry and you're going to be confused. Knowledge is power. And I'm trying to give you as much knowledge as possible for this. This revolution is probably, no, not probably, definitely, the AI revolution for sure, is definitely the biggest technological leap forward in all of humanity's history. Because we've made knowledge infinite and as cheap as water. We don't even know what that means. None of us can even get our heads around it.

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