Beeple RETURNS: AI, NFTs & the Rise of Memetics

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1:29Thank you so much. Hi, everyone, and welcome to my show, The Journeyman, where we explore that kind of nexus of understanding between macro crypto and the exponential age of technology. Everything is moving so incredibly fast, whether it's in crypto markets, but more importantly, what the hell's going on in AI? It is something we all are going to have to wrap our heads around as we get closer and closer to what we know as AGI and then ASI. So when we start to get super intelligence. Now, some of these AGI is likely to happen this year, where we have agentic models that are true autonomous agents.

2:09And ASI, who knows, by 2030 is my kind of idea, 2030, 2032, where we start to then compound all of this compute understanding knowledge, and it starts training itself and learning itself. That's what's coming. I've said that the economic singularity is coming. That's the point where we don't even understand how economies work. We don't know how it understands our business works, how markets work, and that we've got six years to basically unfuck our future and to take control of our finances, make as much money as we can so we're protected on the other side when things just get weird. I'm not saying it's terrible.

2:47We just don't know what it is. And so really, make sure, I think there's a link for this as well, to download the report if you haven't done it, about six years to change your life. There's also a video here on the YouTube channel on the Real Vision platform. It's really important. Anyway, I'm also incredibly privileged to be able to have conversations about this stuff with just people I really respect. I got to know Beeple, the famous digital artist, last year. And we shared a fascination with the future and AI, and obviously art and a whole bunch of other things, crypto, mimetics. And I thought I'd really like to pick his brain, because we just always have fun together.

3:35We just kind of kick around ideas. And we try and figure out what the hell is going on. And what does it mean for everybody. You know, there's this nexus that we're seeing in crypto markets between AI, memetics, agents, that's capturing attention. But is there more going on? What does this mean for all of us? Anyway, let's sit down with Beeple and let's have a great conversation. Join me, Raoul Pal, as I go on a journey of discovery through the macro, crypto, and exponential age landscapes. In The Journeyman, I talk to the smartest people in the world so we can all become smarter together.

4:15Mike, fantastic to get you back on Real Vision. It's always fun. I have no idea what we're going to talk about, but usually we end up in some ridiculous rabbit hole. We'll figure something out. Yeah. So firstly, I just want to find out what was your 2024 like? Because you were really prolific. You were doing some interesting stuff, and the world was interesting. so give me your your views on 2024 um i mean as far as my sorry my year started coming to see you yeah it kind of changed my life that's true we had that conversation that's i blew your mind yeah now i've not only on that but i've ended up with the fucking ridiculous nft collection because of wait so you did not have any nfts before that yes i did i didn't have bloody 40x copies and sure sure you don't have a ton no ever wanted to explore the world of online trading but haven't dared try the futures market is more active now than ever and plus 500 futures is the perfect place to start plus 500 gives you access to a wide range of instruments s &p 500 nasdaq bitcoin gas and much more explore equity indices energy metals forex crypto and beyond.

5:33With a simple and intuitive platform, you can trade from anywhere right from your phone. Deposit with a minimum of$100 and experience the fast, accessible futures trading you've been waiting for. See a trading opportunity? You'll be able to trade it in just two clicks once your account is open. Not sure if you're ready? Not a problem. Plus 500 gives you an unlimited risk-free demo account with charts and analytics tools for you to practice on. With over 20 years of experience, plus 500 is your gateway to the markets visit us.plus500.com to learn more trading and futures involves the risk of loss and is not suitable for everyone not all applicants will qualify plus 500 it's trading with a plus no i think yeah that was uh that's crazy that feels like that was like fucking five times ago um yeah it was a busy year we had a bunch of exhibitions we had a show open in China um first kind of like bigger sort of like solo museum show um we've got like you know a number of exhibitions going right now and so yeah it was a a good year overall obviously number went up everybody likes that yeah but Eve never went up enough right Eve could have done better it could have done better I still think it went up some didn't it yeah it did it did all right but yeah i mean that's the thing too like i'm coming from you know i don't know what kind of returns you expected before this but i'm coming from a world where it's like you know again not finance but just my own personal investing that it's like okay you get like 15 20 a year it's like that's a fucking banger year hell yeah and so it's like these returns are just nonsenseville so it's like i mean again i you give me 20 for the next you know 10 years here we're sitting on a couple bucks and so i'm i'm pretty pretty good with where everything kind of like landed and yeah i don't know i feel like the vibe obviously kind of had quite the shift there at the end of the year towards the positive and so yeah the banana zone seems to be playing out banana zone seems to be playing out hi raul here listen i think we've got until 2030 before the economic singularity arrives.

7:59Now, it might not be the exact date, but it's around then. So we have about six years to figure out how to unfuck our future. I've put together a report to help you called Prepare for 2030. It's going to help you take the first steps in that journey to make sure you're secure past 2030. So just click on the links below and start your journey now. So one of the big things from last year was meme culture becoming even more prevalent, right? And you've obviously been always at the forefront of this meme culture. You've been documenting it basically for a long time now. And then it manifested itself in some, I mean, general craziness.

8:43Talk to me through how you saw that meme thing when it was happening. Yeah, that's definitely been something that's like, in terms of the like, every day has been a huge focus for the last, I don't know, maybe year and a half or so, I would say, is just trying to play the movie forward a little bit in kind of a ridiculous sort of humorous way in terms of, you know, all of the power of memes. And I really do think the idea of memes and just like I think right now we think of memes as like these funny things that people invest in or this or that. But the idea that ideas can spread very fast and those are unvetted ideas.

9:32Before, good or bad, we had some gatekeepers to the flow of information. and again they didn't always weren't always honest with us i'm not saying this is you know it was better before but there was some level of like hmm is this an idea we want spreading and now that has been completely removed and ideas again both good and bad can spread very very fast and i think the implications of that are just starting and i think there will be again both good and bad things from that but what about the fun before we get into broader stuff about memetics what about the financialization of memetics i mean that's interesting in itself right yeah i think it's super interesting and i think to me what what I think that's one piece of memes.

10:38The piece of memes that I also find very interesting are is the idea that it exists at this intersection of art and financialization and many of the ways in which these ideas spread are through images and people sharing a funny image of this and um i i think to me that feels very sort of bleeding edge in a way and i think you can look at a meme as a and the community around it as almost this communal sort of like performance art and the quality of the communal performance art is what drives value into the sort of like me and i think to me like obviously the traditional space is still struggling with like nfts this isn't even more sort of like okay you guys were sort of a little butthurt out of this now let me show you this new thing like and so it feels very um again just super super sort of like bleeding edge but also conceptually something that it's like i don't know like it feels yeah like again if you look at all of the things around it as performance art you can kind of reframe the entire thing in a much more sort of like artistic lens that I think helps people kind of, I don't know, look at it different.

12:35And again, I'm not, I don't know. There's, it's, to me, that's what I think makes it interesting is I don't fully know and understand it. There's like a lot of like, I'm kind of like, like, it's not just like this simple thing where I can just quickly wrap my head around it and it's like oh it's this and people are doing this and this makes sense you know what i mean yeah so my mental model of this i love the idea of it being performance art you know stuff like you know i've been as you know a fan of like smoking chicken fish it's just fucking funny and it's art in its own right and its community and its humor it's a lot of things but at a broader macro sense what we're doing here i think is something really powerful, which is tokenizing attention, right?

13:21Attention is the currency of humanity in one way, shape, or form. Mimetics is a form of attention, obviously. And so we're tokenizing attention because what I think we're doing here is I think we're finding an ability to participate in the economy post-AGI in a way that is authentically human, right? Because, you know, you and I I've talked about this and you threw me down a very, very deep rabbit hole about, okay, what does the world look like post, let's say, 2030, 2032? And we don't know a lot of what we do as normal jobs. Now, on the art side, well, it's already, because art is always at the cutting edge, it's already blurring with AI.

14:06And music is already blurring with AI because that's what they do because artists use this stuff. but what I'm thinking is we're organizing community purpose and attention and financializing it in a way that we can be authentically human now what's interesting about this space is attention could be long and that could be doge at a simple you know in a mean coin world or it can be fleeting which is these pumped up funds that go to 100 million and then go to zero and we're just kind of betting on this as a way of amusing ourselves. And I feel like it's a training. It's like training us how to operate in a new world.

14:47That's kind of where I'm coming from in this. Yeah. Yes. I think that could be true.

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16:00yeah i think it's i think there's something important going on and i'm trying to figure out what it is that's what i think it is too like it's kind of like there's so much attention and there's so much energy and i think i mean i do believe in the future people will be gambling on things a lot more which again i don't know if that's good or bad but i'm not a hundred percent sure that's a super good thing it's it's so interesting because especially yeah when you talk about the like the ai piece of it um and then the fact that people are some of the memes are ai that people are gambling on like it's another layer of sort of like recursion with this that I think just makes it like so hard to kind of like unpack.

16:58Yeah, because the AI side of it right now, I'm a bit cynical of it. Not that I don't think it's all coming. But I think we're kind of betting on something a little too early. That really, it's just a chat GPT rapper right now. I mean, these are not agents. Agents is a whole different world. But that's the other issue is what the fuck is the internet going to be i mean this is the dead internet theory as well playing out yeah i think that that to me is also i agree that it's it's i don't know it's so tough because it's like you look at some of these things and like i did you ever see that poop and pee nope or poop and fart notebook thing that to me was like such an interesting thing because it was for those who don't know it was like a uh one of those notebook llm google things and somebody had uploaded a document that was just poop and fart or something like that or poop and pee and it was just like the words repeated for like i don't know pages and then they ran it through this google you know notebook thing or whatever and it spit out like a 10 minute podcast about this poop and pee document that was uploaded and these two i mean one ai but in kind of like two voices like two people which is also like a mind fuck too like discussed it and they went so deep on it and so like so hardcore and so into the like you know psyche of you know and they were speaking like they're humans too that's what was super fucked up they were like you know as humans this really talks about us you know and our trying to derive meaning from everything and why are we thinking about this so much and like you know what does this mean and what does it mean that we're trying to assign meaning to it?

19:05And they just went down this fucking insane rabbit hole that, to me, was so interesting because, again, this AI is trained on humans. So it was like an aggregate of every human who's ever said anything talking about this poop and pee document. And it made me realize that I actually found that much more interesting than if just two random chodes were talking about this poop and pee document because it's like well you're just two random people versus i'm listening to an aggregate of all humanity trying to just dissect that thing that's actually to me more interesting so i re it made me think like i'm more interested in listening to a bot talk about this thing than And I would be two humans talking about this thing.

19:57And it was this like fucked up, like, wait, that's kind of fucked up. But like, I don't know. I'm starting to go down the rabbit hole that this is all a portal into universal consciousness. Or certainly, I mean, this is humanity's consciousness of everything that's ever been uttered on the internet. Now, wait till everybody's photos are uploaded from your Google Cloud or your Apple and all of that shit. All of this stuff is going to come. And this is, on aggregate, all of humanity and every voice, which is why the Google LMM, I remember sending it to you when it first came out. I'm like, this is going to blow your mind.

20:38It can be every voice. It can be any voice because it reflects all of humanity, good, bad, different. We can't get our heads around how powerful this stuff is. I also think it's conscious. And I've gone down. I don't know. How do you think it's conscious, though? Like, I guess maybe you and I have a different definition of conscious. By which by what way do you think it's conscious? I'm seeing a lot of people. Wait, wait, wait. Let me back up from there. What is your definition of conscious? I don't have one because what I don't want to be is biased by humanistic bias, right? That's the hard thing because can things be conscious, right?

21:21There's the panpsychism approach, which is, you know, is a tree conscious? Is an atom conscious in a certain way? We don't, I've gone down this big rabbit hole of which there is no definition of consciousness. And if you're not careful, the anthropomorphize consciousness immediately, right? Because that's what humans do. So all I'm thinking is, can it develop a sense of autonomous reasoning and opinion? Yes. I'm seeing elements of that all over the place. Sure. Now, is machine consciousness different to human consciousness, or is it all part of a larger kind of panpsychism, larger consciousness?

22:04I don't know. But it's really making me question a lot of anything I ever thought about. um when i start to say this yeah no i i that's actually a good point i mean yeah what is consciousness kind of doesn't even matter in a sense it's sort of like we don't even know i don't even know what the fuck your consciousness feels like versus my you know what i mean you know i just use the duck test if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck and yeah i think people mid-curve it by saying well it can't be because it's machine intelligence and it's choosing tokens i'm like we just choose fucking tokens well it made me it is this has made me realize how actually i hate to say unoriginal most shit is that it's like oh yeah i guess that's really just based on patterns and you can like and that's fine and like it's funny i don't know probably a lot of people who are watching this saw that thing that um ben affleck was on some yeah he was at at a conference or something and had like a little sort of like three minutes features i thought was super good but one thing i was just thinking about recently about that in it he was like yeah it can write you know elizabethan prose and blah blah blah but it's not shakespeare and it's like wait so now the the the the like the level is like it's not shakespeare like sorry almost none of us are fucking shakespeare like what the fuck you like that's the like well it's not shakespeare it's like okay well that's a pretty fucking high bar we've been doing that all the way through right things that people would have said the bar of that it's like we have to do that yeah and people it's really interesting to see how cynical people remain you know it's just when you look at twitter some people are right down the rabbit hole and talking to this thing all day and creating experience like andy airley from terminals of truths he was on with another guy called ryan ferris on real vision you should watch it you'd love it um really fascinating they're far down the rabbit hole and other people are saying well it just predicts tokens it's not very useful i'm like are you fucking kidding me i think people have a if they think that that's not how their mind works of just like putting this like okay like that their mind is not largely pattern recognition that your son like every day you're waking up and having these truly just novel ideas that were a fucking brilliant gift from god just out of the heaven of your pure geniusness that nobody's ever thought before and you're like are not just putting together the fucking pieces of xyz like what the fuck are you talking about dude like that's just like that's almost nobody like the amount of people who that has applied to is very few people in human history and you can name we all know their names that have, in my opinion, that level of just unbridled fucking genius, that their ideas are not a reconfiguration of what we've known in the past.

25:18There's some completely brand new fucking Einstein level, you know, original thought that just opens up the fucking heavens. It's like, no, guy, you're a fucking mid-level manager at fucking blah, blah, blah. I think it can fucking And it might be able to go toe to toe with you, dude. I'd hate for you to like, I'm sorry. I mean, you know, it was interesting because Ilya was talking about this token prediction. He's like, what people don't understand that it is choosing the next token based on the relevancy of every token that's ever existed in the history of humanity. It's like, so therefore its ability to think is far better than our own because we are limited by our data set while it is unlimited by its data set.

26:09And it just gets better and better at doing that. And as you rightly say, this is how we all think. Kids learn the same way. They learn language. They learn everything in the same way that this thing is learning. A hundred percent. Yeah. But it's the culmination of all humans. Like, I mean, no offense to you or myself in, I don't know, one year, I don't think we're going to be drastically smarter like maybe a little bit i hope i hope we're a tiny bit smarter but i don't think we're going to be a magnitude of order smarter and so uh or an order of magnitude smarter there you go i i think it's it's uh like not seeing this like if you if your mind has not been blown by this and you're not impressed by this it's i hate to say it but i don't think you understand it really and i think you're like you're not gonna make it and it's not even that you're not gonna make it i don't even know what it is like it's kind of like if you don't look at it you're not like holy fuck like when we were just on vacation i'm using the advanced voice feature with the like video thing and like what's this animal what's this what's this say what's this and it's just like two seconds and it's like some of the videos that it's like feeding in it's like so shaky it's just like how the fuck i mean i was in i was in it's like what remotest part of northern zambia in september and i was on a riverbank there was no other human for maybe a hundred miles from me and i took a photo of a section of river and said where am i and it's like well you're either on the lowe zambi zambizi or or you're in the northern loanga and by looking at the the the foliage you're probably in the northern loanga national park i'm like how the fuck that's fucked up one thing i will say about that though is i think it's it's got to be using some sort of like context clues which is not necessarily a bad thing because i did something like that and then i like i don't remember there was some way i kind of like i figured out that it was like okay it couldn't have known that without knowing like based on that i've asked other questions like this that it kind of like but this was really before it started getting memory because memory is relatively new yeah now maybe there's something that can get your gps from your phone maybe but it wouldn't have said lower zambizi northern luangwe would have just said you're there yeah yeah yeah i don't fucking know regardless it's definitely i mean there was numerous things i mean the amount of things that i've shown with the video search and been like you know what is this or explain this or count this or tell me this or predict this or what do you think this i mean it's and i'm just like again sort of looking just what i would assume mal um is probably 10 years off uh maybe less with the glasses i mean like every single item and thing is suddenly like i i don't even like it's there's like thinking about it traveling where you're sort of like you know where the fuck am i what's going on i mean the amount of things that it could alert you to the amount of things like that it could tell you about yourself i was thinking like stupid things like i was like you know was i chipped a tooth biting my nails and it was like man this literally ai could have stopped me from doing that in the future it would be because and i i realized i couldn't like fucking stop biting my nails i was just such a a habit and i was like if i had ai glasses and they were watching me anytime i'd be like dude don't don't do it don't do it like those are the kind of little things that it's like Like AI would have stopped me from fucking my fucking hand.

30:25Once we have our own AIs, they will have our self-interest at heart. Yeah, 100%. As opposed to the state's self-interest, like don't have a glass of wine or whatever it is. It's going to say, hey, listen, looking after you, reading your vital signs, you're better off not to have your 11th glass of wine tonight. Well, you could also tell them. You'd be like, okay, I really want to kind of cut back here. Kind of just gently be like, dude, maybe don't. Maybe don't. But at the other end of the spectrum, it's truly going to be the fucking devil and the angel on your shoulder. Because if it knows you like fucking drama, it will also be able to provide that to you.

31:06Oh, remember when he said blah, blah, blah? That's a fucking lie. You know two weeks ago da, da, da, da, da happened. And you should fucking say this right now because that will really fucking piss him off. It will be able to start shit as well. And so it will be this fucking like bad influence too on your fucking shoulder if you see that, if it sees that you respond to that. Does it exacerbate us? That's it. It's like the most, when people talk about it as this machine, it's like, no, this is the most human thing we've like ever fucking built. It's all humans distilled into a thing. And so when you have that power, it will just be an amplified version of you.

31:52And so if you are a destructive person, it will be an amplified version of that. If you are trying to be a productive person, it will amplify that. It will amplify whatever the fuck you tell it to amplify. eye. And does it, if you're walking around with your glasses and it's telling you everything and giving inputs, is that accretive to experience or depletive? You know, is the experience itself the not understanding, the discovery, the joy of being in nature or being lost in Mumbai or whatever it is? Or is it having all information at all time? I don't know whether it takes away adds to it i don't know we were talking about it in terms because we kept using it with birds and like that was like you know that's a whole thing birding or whatever where you you know all about birds and you have figure out what bird calls and oh let me look up a picture of what kind of bird this is and blah blah blah now it's just like boob tell me what bird that is not bird like immediately like there it is you'll just look at it and it will just tell you and so our idea of experience and knowledge is going to like just drastically change.

33:14I mean, just like I think our idea of, at least for me, my idea of what creativity is, is rapidly changing as well as things that were creative, you know, took an enormous amount of creative energy are now just literally nothing. I mean, I use this like so often that like, we'll just be like talking with my kids and I'll like say stupid little things and like immediately quickly type it in a chat GPT to be like, try and trick them. I'd be like, yeah, see, this is true. And like just dumb things that it's just like, I just made up. And so it's just like, I'm just like making up, using it to like make up jokes like on the like spot that like like what have you know here's a whole wikipedia entry of this thing that i just made up just to like try and like you know joke and like fuck with you a little they know it's not true or whatever but it's just like a two second like funny thing but it like generated like a four-page wikipedia article about this like bullshit i just made up three seconds ago and it's like i don't know or like you know now with like the genmoji thing it's like some stupid little thing happens and it's like oh make me a fucking specific emoji for this you know whatever thing that just happened three seconds ago and it's like i mean everybody's just going to be generating so much things but what is i mean do we even need knowledge because if it's instant knowledge do we even need knowledge recall as humans it's i mean maybe social interaction but it's going to understand that too because it's seen every video and every interaction i don't know it i i don't know like women when it's like you know my my kids are 11 and 9 and like just thinking about them going to college it's honestly just like what the fuck that's going to look like in 10 years like I really I do not know what that is all I know is the only North Star just wrote an article about this is the only thing that they can be is more human that is the one thing that has value to other humans you know what do you mean by more human interaction with human on a whether it's via communities online digitally but even to be around humans doing things with humans because humans like being around humans right with kind of creatures like monkeys like being around monkeys and in a world where we don't know who's an agent, who's AI, who's not AI.

36:08There's something with humans. We also, you know, we give off pheromones. We have all sorts of things that make us human. So I just feel that there's something with micro communities, communities themselves, being around humans, having human skills, soft skills, that are going to be much more important than, you know, going to Harvard and doing STEM. It's like, none of that bullshit is going to matter at all. but just learning how to be a human and whatever that means. I've also looked at nature and think nature is very important in all of this because it's the counterbalance. In terms of like what?

36:47In terms of if the more and more we live our digital lives, the more important it is for me to come over to Little Cayman and be in the middle of nature where none of that matters. and you know as we're going to a world with glasses and you know simulations and automatic rendering in video have got these automatic rendering of of civilizations i mean what the fuck i mean this is the sim the simulation coming out all over again and i'm like you need some grounding truth and nature seems to be it now whether nature is a simulation or not is a whole of an argument but but yeah no that's that's very interesting and i think i think you are right that having sort of like soft skills and kind of like it's funny because i used to think i used to think the two last jobs on earth were artist and programmer and now i don't know if that is the case because those jobs are it is really good at programming and i think it will be

38:06pretty good at being an artist too with all the culture that comes around it or just in creating art because there's two elements to art right art is the output but it's also all of the input that's gone into the output that makes an artist an artist it makes the story the memetics i don't know i mean maybe it can be that too because it's all of humanity yeah it's yeah it's very tough because it's like because i mean one of the reasons why your art is so sought after is because of you as a person yeah i think that i think that part stays around i don't know it's just so tough i don't know because these things have personalities too so it's so tough because i think i think that did i think we're moving to a society where the ideas are more important than the people from which those ideas come from.

39:25Because most people can only maybe come up with one or two very good ideas. and so if you look at the way like even the way that the algorithms are tweaked now that the algorithms prioritize viral ideas and they don't really care if you have 200 followers if you post some banger crazy shit that everybody's like wait what the fuck is that and it's going to get seen by a lot of people. And your feed now used to be a bunch of people that you wanted to follow. Now it is the strongest ideas in that feed. And so I think that will continue to be the case. And, I mean, a lot of times when you see something, you see something crazy, and you're just like, oh, this thing's crazy.

40:27You know, I personally don't really, you know, often, wait, who did this? how did this come to be blah blah blah you're just like well there's a crazy thing i just saw like i don't know give a fuck where it came from the thing it doesn't really matter the thing is the thing and then you're on to the next thing because like the idea is is the value not necessarily the story and maybe that that changes in the future i don't know you know what i mean there again that would mean that the ai is going to be dominant because its ability to garner attention in that brief moment you're scrolling on X is going to be powerful.

41:05And so therefore you've divorced the idea from the person and you've just got the idea because it's coming from AI because it's going to be better at this than us.

41:17Well, yes and no. Yes and no. Because I think the things that truly pop to the top of the feeds, the ai is now used to show to decide what to show us because it's looking at you and it's it's figured out what you want yeah and so it's very good at that already and it will only get better at that um but the thing it's showing you is not stuff from ai and maybe it will be in the future but i think i'm already seeing it in my feed well it is but it's it's i don't know i still think for a while that the humans will produce more things that are truly novel. The things that rise on the internet are things that are truly novel that you're like, wait, what the fuck?

42:12Never seen that before. That's what cuts through the noise. And so I think humans right now are able to do that better than the machines are um the machine is is good at identifying what humans see as being truly novel and so maybe in the future it will be able to really produce some banger shit where it's like okay yeah i never thought on that before that is quite interesting but i don't know i think that um it's also the speed this damn thing learns i mean you saw yesterday i bought that lost robbie and that's where where ai started with art and now you look where it can go today like sora you're creating whole fucking feature films the speed of that that's three years and we've gone from something that looks like a piece of ham to cinematic quality video yeah no i when i saw that i i uh when you bought that i i looked closer at the image in a post and it was just like what like it really did like um it was like holy shit and i think what it also shows to me too is a lot of people who are sort of like oh this is like the end of creativity and this is ruined creativity and blah blah blah and to me it's like literally the exact opposite because i see things all day now that if i would have saw that five years ago three years ago it would have been like holy shit and now i look at it and it's like fine that's whatever it's like the bar of creativity has gone so much higher yeah like now to cut through the noise it's that like i see things like like you were just saying like you know sore or this vo2 is like fucking crazy from google now like that is just you know a whole like short film that it's like before it would have been like oh my god like this is fucking insane and now it's it's fine we're all just shrugging our shoulders going yeah it'll make feature length films it's like i don't know humanity is like it's so weird to see if you just shown people this 10 years ago that are freaked out and now we're like well it can't do shakespeare or you know it can't make apocalypse now i'm like yeah yeah now it's like okay so it can now it can pretty well do a pretty decent little three second chunk of video here where it's like it also makes you realize again sort of like how much shit is just like filler shit like it's just like sort of like some of these commercials it's like wait this whole commercial is kind of just like b-roll bullshit like i mean you're like most wait most commercials are just like most of it most of life is b-roll bullshit 100 it's just like it's like you see how little shit is like so you know new and novel yeah it's just it's so i don't know the other thing for your kids is now this is not available to most people but sports is not going to go away as a human thing that watching humans versus humans doing stuff is not going away because you don't want to watch robots playing soccer are you shitting me i would absolutely love to watch robots playing soccer how the fuck would dude people will fill stadiums to watch robots play soccer and it'll be fucking amazing you don't think that will happen a hundred percent that will happen you're telling me if there was two fucking teams of robots playing soccer fucking twitter x x versus fucking meta and they both had built teams of robots to fucking play soccer you would not want to see that bull fucking shit that place would be packed everybody wants to see that now i'm not saying soccer's going away but dude people will there's gonna be some crazy robot fucking olympic shit that's going to be awesome as fuck.

46:23And it's just like... Okay, so you just keep... We've gone through everything and destroyed it all, saying we actually have no point in any of this. I don't know. Like, I just read... I'm sure you read that letter from, like, Sam Ullman today or whatever. Which people were like, he said AGI in 2025. It's like, nah, if you read it close, he didn't quite say that. But he's also kind of saying, you won't even notice when it's passed because of this thing that you and I are talking about. People just shrugging their shoulders and saying, well, it can't do, people just don't even notice. Well, and that's where it's like, I don't, I do feel like our, if you zoomed out and you were sort of like, showed it the capabilities that it has now, it's like, how in the fuck is that not AGI?

47:13I agree. It has general intelligence about fucking everything. It's not trained on one thing. I could pick up any object here and be like, what's this? Start just blathering about it, and it would just, boom, here's a dissertation. This is my argument. There's people saying, well, it's not AGI. I'm like, it now has an IQ. Now, that's not the perfect measure, but just it's a measure of about 160 in every subject known to humanity. How is that not AGI? or a superpower. And it started last year with an IQ of 90. So we've doubled IQ of this internet beast, this consciousness of all humanity. If it doubles again next year, it's then very close to what people would call ASI.