Unf*ck Your Health and Longevity with Dr. Bill Kapp

27:18We haven't gotten rid of pilots yet, even though the jumbo jets can pretty much fly themselves. So I'm not so sure we're quite ready to get rid of physicians. But it is very clear that your doctor who is not using AI will be replaced because he's just not going to be able to manage the massive amount of information. But what we get excited is the opportunity when your AI could read your data set and start to make recommendations for you as an individual. The early applications for it that I really like are the ability to take a complicated medical document and then translate it into layman's terms.

27:55And that can be done with AI. So for now, instead of your body being a black box and the doctor giving you essentially what is a Greek manuscript written in medical terms, you can now find out what's going on. inside your own body. So I think that's very important. I think where we really see healthcare going, and I think the ultimate logical progression is healthcare will go to your home at some point fairly quickly, meaning that air quality, water quality, sleep quality, your home will become a wearable, meaning you'll have sensor technology in your home. You won't have to wear an R ring or an Apple watch.

28:28It'll just collect the data. And we have that technology now, and that will really populate your own personal data cloud. And over time, your lifestyle data will be married with your healthcare data. And then you can see the overlap. And now you start to really see, you know what, I slept last night, my cortisol levels are much lower if I slept well. Or you can start to see changes in behavior around dietary and exercise and muscle mass making impact on biomarkers that we know are helpful for you to determine what's going on in your body. So I think moving healthcare from the four walls of the doctor's office and the purvey of only doctors and nurses to giving you enough information about your body that you can start to make real substantive change and be able to track it over time is going to be the real change in healthcare.

29:17And that's where people get excited about getting their data back. Hey, everyone. We're going to take another quick break and hear away from our partners. We'll be right back.

29:29well also it goes back to the conversation we had at the beginning it becomes behaviorally easier if you're getting real-time data as opposed to periodic data when you're not feeling good or or you happen to do your annual or every two-year health checkup which is a snapshot but this as you say you can see what really affects you in real time yeah so you know so we've seen the continuous blood glucose monitors right so up until just recently, matter of fact, now you can buy them at the grocery store. You used to not be able to buy them without a prescription, right? So now they're going to be available for the first time.

30:03But what we know is behavioral change comes when you have a closed feedback loop in a relatively short period of time. That's what people like video games, right? They get immediate feedback, right? And that immediate feedback makes a big difference in behavioral change. But what we can do with the CGM, because we're measuring your blood sugar every 15 at 15 minute intervals or 10 minute intervals, you can see what happens when you had that glass of red wine or you ate that donut. I mean, and all of a sudden now you get immediate feedback, right? So now you start to see the behavioral change start to occur.

30:34And all of that sensor technology is getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. It's going to be embedded. Whether you wear, use a, I don't personally believe people are going to do implantables. I know some people say they will. I'm not so sure that most people are ready to have their skin cut open to stick a probe in. But I will tell you that the technology we're seeing right now is going to be much, much easier to access. And what we're working on in several projects now is embedding Fountain Life into residential communities where it becomes paid for through your HOA. And so this becomes like your homeowner's fee actually covers the cost of your preventive services.

31:10And the idea is it's in your home. And once you're in your home, now we can start to help you with nutritional guidelines. We can help you deliver the right food that you may need for your microbiome. We can deliver the right exercise program for you that it fits your genetics. I mean, you may be somebody who's a slow fast or a fast switch muscle fiber person. You might be somebody that is an endurance athlete. You can look at all that with your genetics and optimize the type of exercise program you really need. And really, the biggest thing we have seen in the last couple of years, and we're excited we just started doing this at fountain is measuring your mitochondrial health i was going to ask about both the mitochondrial health and also microbiome which is two areas that are kind of under discussed but seem of crucial importance yeah so actually those are probably the two most uh uh yeah highly under penetrated areas of medicine in terms of knowledge base and but secondarily the ones that have the highest impact.

32:09And one of those, obviously, let's talk about microbiome first. So on average, you have about 40 trillion cells in your body, but you have about 10 times as many bacteria in your gut. And so when you realize that you've got all these commensal bacterias that are living with you, that have been put there evolutionarily and have been part of your evolutionary microbiome for years, it turns out they have an immense impact on your health. And we don't really, up until recently, most people in medicine didn't even acknowledge the existence of the microbiome. But we do know today that it has huge impacts on, you know, not only mental, you know, dementia, heart disease, inflammatory conditions.

32:49I mean, it is not uncommon anymore inside the functional medicine community to have somebody who comes in who's got Crohn's disease. and they can actually be taken off of their Humira or whatever their immunosuppressive drug is and with a protogram to restore normal gut microbiome function can actually be off all of their medications. Okay, so that's not taught in medical school and it's not popular in the pharmaceutical business. But I could tell you going from a$60 ,000 a year drug to a$12 ,000 a year program that keeps you off of a drug that may in the long run cause an increased risk for cancer and all the other complications from those drugs that is a classic case of microbiome but the point is that we can now detect what what is in your gut healthy bacteria versus bad bacteria and we can now start to change that and give you a different program so that you get a healthy gut bacteria it feels like ai ai is going to be a big help there because it's obviously a very complicated space of what's in your gut it is and we work with some of the top people in the field uh one of the friends of the company is a guy named Dr.

33:57Leo Brady, and he's got a company out now called Jonah, which is just getting started. And Jonah's a fantastic AI company that is actually looking at all of your microbiome and how does your diet affect that? And then, you know, this is kind of where we get kind of get back to the basics, right? We get back to, you know, it's interesting, you know, you look at ancient cultures and, you know, what they've done over the years, and you look at turmeric and you look at curcumin and you look at, you know, the high fiber, vegetarian, you know, based diets. The Vedic stuff's been around for thousands of years as preventive medicine.

34:30And the reason it's been around is it works. It works because they've had a lot of years of trial and error. And so I think that helps. But I think what's nice about it is now we're seeing the science catch up to what has been done historically for years. So I think all of that is super important. But the impact between the microbiome and dementia is really, it is a very, very strong association. And by improving somebody's microbiome, you can often improve their cognitive function significantly. And we just don't focus on it. Once again, this is not an area of medicine that we focus on. And so I think that's part of it.

35:08And we measure all of that and treat all that. The second part of this is mitochondrial function. And so mitochondrial function is probably the basis of most disease. We just don't necessarily think about it. So when you think about the mitochondria, which are the power plants of the cell, and when we look at every major chronic disease condition, it involves some form of mitochondrial dysfunction. And particularly when you look at cancer is another form of mitochondrial dysfunction. And so now for the first time, we can kind of measure mitochondrial dysfunction. and you can restore mitochondrial dysfunction.

35:45And so the most common way to do that is with all a lactic acid test. Some people would do a VO2 test to see what your zone two training heart rate is. And now the data is very clear. If you can train at zone two for 50 minutes, three to five times a week, you can actually restore mitochondrial function. And that's where the benefit of exercise comes in. You know, we talk about exercise for cardiovascular health. We talk about it for all of this, But it has an immense effect on every facet of your body, everything from cognitive function to microbiome function to lowering inflammatory levels. But what it does, all of that through mitigating mitochondrial dysfunction.

36:22And so you can improve the number of mitochondria you have per cell. You can improve the quality of the mitochondria you have per cell. and we know that people who even have had cancer and have recovered from cancer when put on an aggressive mitochondrial restoration program don't usually get much of a recurrence at all and Dr. Messier has shown that in her work so I think all of this is understanding what is the root cause for whatever dysfunction you have not giving you a symptom suppressive medication but let's dig a little deeper and find out exactly why you have that condition in the first place yeah and this symptom suppressant medication i mean that is the entire system mainly 90 percent 90 medications are symptom suppressive so so when you look at that and not my not our work but dr eric verdin uh will tell you from the buck institute he will tell you that fda approved medications when you really look that look at them uh they're only really effective at about 25 percent of the population.

37:22And it has to do with how the studies are conducted and who has been eliminated from the studies. And then if you actually look at most of our studies in the U.S., you know, they tend to be in white males. You know, we don't have honors of females in the studies and we don't have a very good representation of minorities in the studies, you know, and, you know, people of color. So, and by the way, the United States is the most genetically heterogeneous planet, country on the planet, maybe with the exception of the UK. So how are we possibly making these, you know, generic recommendations? We know that it just, a lot of this flies in the face of common logic.

37:58And I just would tell you that, you know, as we move forward, and the reason we started the company was to harness this technology to be able to change the trajectory of healthcare. Because if we don't do that, we won't be able to afford or we won't like, I can guarantee you, the decisions we'll be forced to make. Last year in the United States, we spent about$300 billion on memory care facilities alone. Meaning that, and by the way, if you're a male and you're put in memory care, your life expectancy is about 13 months. Wow. Yeah, I'd say, you know, we, first of all, our elderly deserve better, number one.

38:38And number two, we're expecting that number of people needing memory care to increase by fivefold in the next 30 years. And that is because people have dementia because they're living longer. But the reality is we know with brain scans and AI overlays, we can tell you, plus your genetics, we can tell you what your risks are and show you a pathway to hopefully not ever develop that in the first place, even if you have bad genetics. Because genes are not destiny, and everybody thinks they are. But there are a lot of people that, you know, live a full life without ever, you know, they have two bad genes for Alzheimer's.

39:12Yeah, genes are a probability, not a certainty, right? That's absolutely right. And we know this with all the epigenetic modifications that we can see. and you can see this in David Sinclair's work and George Church's work at Harvard, you can modify how gene expression happens. It's this idea of genetic plasticity that we don't really think about very much. But the human body is a very plastic structure in terms of its ability to change. Neuroplasticity, genomic plasticity, biologic plasticity, all of these are things that can be changed, but you just need a different plan. And the current plan that we have in the U.S.

39:46is just wait until you break and then we'll fix you. And we never really fix you. We just patch you until you have another recurrence. So it's a little bit of an arcane situation. What do you think of the kind of movement, the David Sinclair movement and Peter Atir? And there's a whole bunch of people who are approaching this in different ways. And some of them are like, just take preventative anti-inflammation stuff or whatever it may be, whether it's metformin or whether it's NMM or whatever. How do you think about that? Is that an approach or is that a bit of a blunt tool as well, really? I think all of it is relevant.

40:23I think the real question is, you know, and, you know, what we're about at Fountain is giving you the most comprehensive deep dive into your health as you can get. And then figuring out what are the parts of your health that we want to work on? And so we come at this a little differently in that we do a very deep dive baseline. We will determine what's going on, and then we prescribe what you need specifically. There's nothing wrong with metformin, but I will tell you there are some people that cannot tolerate metformin. If you do metformin, it's hard to weight train. It's hard to do cardiovascular exercise.

41:02I mean, there are, once again, that is a, that's a tool that people are using in a mass batch, you know, for the mass population, looking for a, there are 12 hallmarks of aging, 12 pathways of aging that we're aware of. so the the likelihood that we'll find one solution that hits all 12 hallmarks of aging is probably unlikely uh but does it mean that they don't work no i think they probably do in certain percentages of population certainly uh fasting intermittent fasting nothing wrong with intermittent fasting once again how many cultures have been doing fasting for thousands of years Thousands of years.

41:44Not new, right? It rediscovered recently, right? In an era of food abundance, we rediscover these things over and over again. But I think there are lots of opportunities for, and look, I applaud everybody in the field that's looking at all of these pathways because we will get to a point fairly quickly, I think in the next 10 to 15 years where we will have some significant interventions and we've seen some amazing gene writing technologies that are happening at Arbort and out on the West Coast to be able to start to change the trajectory of healthy aging. But what we know today, with what we know today, and these aren't my words, these are Dr.

42:25Verdun's words from the Buck Institute, Eric will tell you, with what we know today, you should be able to make 98 healthy. With what we know today. The problem is, it's not a lack of knowledge, it's just an unequal distribution of that knowledge. What is the current health span as opposed to lifespan, you think? With what we know today, you can have a healthy lifespan in 98. We know that today. What is it currently, the actual health? It's probably closer to, you spend the last decade of your life in decline, essentially. So 70 is your... Probably 70, and then you start to see the gradual decline.

43:01And that's what we do. And what do we do at your doctor's office? We manage that decline. we don't like your doctor's not looking at you saying hey let's optimize your health let's check your microbiome let's get your muscle mass up by the way if we get your muscle mass up you're going to improve your cognitive function you know i mean these things are not taught and so what we do is we tend to give you that symptom suppressive drug and the the problem is it's not the doctor's intent is wrong it's just they've been given the wrong tools or haven't been trained any of the latest tools that are available.

43:32So let's get specific. For somebody coming in to Fountain Life, how does it work? Because I've been meaning to do this myself, so I'm very interested. What's one thing you need to overcome is people are going to come in with fear because they know you guys know what you're doing and you will find anything that's there and it's going to sound scary of it. So how do you first, you know, somebody's looking at this, they're thinking, oh my God, they're going to find they're going to die tomorrow. How do you get over that first hurdle? Very, very common. A lot of people are very concerned. And I understand that.

44:06We understand the trepidation to taking a look. But the reality is I tell people you would rather find out early than find out late. Yeah, of course. So it is intuitively obvious. But what we do is our setting is more like a spa than a medical facility. It's a blend of a medical facility and a spa. It takes about a half a day, five to six hours to go through the entire process. People come in either in the morning or the afternoon. They're usually fasting. We draw all the necessary bloods, and then we start you into the testing process. So we're going to look at your cardiac scan. We're going to do a lung scan on you as well.

44:43We do a combination of imaging, whole body imaging, AI overlays for your brain, your body, body composition. So we're going to do a lot of imaging. We're also going to do baseline DEXA scan, things of that nature. And then we're going to start to work on some blood samples. We're going to look at your genomics blood samples. We're going to look at microbiome. We're going to look at, you know, toxicology. I mean, toxicology is a huge problem right now. And people are unaware because everybody says go eat fish. And so they go eat fish and they eat tuna and they eat swordfish and they find out they have mercury, right?

45:16Or they have arsenic. Or they live near a chemical plant. They're unaware of, right? Geomedicine is a big part of this. Where do you live? What's the water quality in your area? You may not know these things, right? And so we are going to check you for toxicology. Then after we do a baseline of all of those, we're going to do some other cognitive tests on you. We'd like to get a baseline cognitive test on you. We're going to check your grip strength because there's a high correlation with grip strength and longevity. We also do a litany of other tests, olfactory tests. We check you for sleep apnea, which is a huge contributor to heart disease.

45:51There's lots of these things that we're going to do. But more importantly, with our people who have our Apex membership, which is our most common membership, they get a full year of follow up with not a doctor, but a care team. Yeah, because this is not a one off thing. This is it's a membership, right? You're there to be part of something to help you in your journey through life, right? And part of that is also, you know, we really think of this as a it's a lifelong, long life membership. And the goal is to have access to the latest technology as it comes out. under one roof so that you and you can do this on your own and some people do they're biohackers and they go from perdubo to go get a scan here to go get a scan here but then they have all their results and you know if you take your average pernuvo scan which is amazing uh and those guys are doing a great job but if you take that average scan your full body mr and you take it to your average family doctor they really don't know what to do with it right so it's a little bit like taking, you know, a Greek manuscript to an English professor, right?

46:52I mean, you know, I mean, who's not trained in the classics. So I think that's part of the problem because they really don't know what to do with the data. But, you know, our teams are trained and obviously in all of that. And then we're going to look, and then over a course of a couple of weeks, you're going to get a full comprehensive readout of all of your test results. And then a plan on, you know, okay, so first of all, what are your goals? Because we start with what your goals are personally. And once we rule you out for heart disease and cancer, the things you're going to be really concerned about and aneurysm, things of this nature, then it's a question of how do we optimize your health?

47:28What do you want to do? What are your goals personally? And then what can we do to optimize every facet of your life so that you can live as robust a life as you possibly can? And once again, like Peter says, you want to intercept this technology that's coming, which is going to be here, I think, much sooner than most people think in terms of being able to do healthy life extension. Now, that is not going to reverse every bit of bad decisions we've made up until then. But I think for people who take a proactive approach to their health and want a better, deeper dive into their health, they'll be able to intercept this technology that's coming.

48:04And are you finding that people coming in are still predominantly older people? you know somebody like me who's in mid 50s is now starting to think about this or are you starting to get younger people who are starting to think okay actually if i can do this earlier it's going to pay huge dividends yeah so i think there too so once again that's that generational divide i would tell you our average client's 50 uh which is pretty normal makes sense yeah yeah people is as young as 18 okay uh and and as old as you know uh i think the oldest client we've had is 85 and part of that is also the understanding is that it doesn't matter what age you start because of the genetic and the biologic plasticity that you possess you can make a change in as little as six months with almost anything that's going on in your body so I think you can certainly improve a lot of different things certainly muscle mass and things of this nature but I think what we're finding now is as we move a little past the baby boomer generation into the gen x and the millennials they want the data and they want their data right now.

49:05I mean, and that's the important part, the millennials and the Gen Xers, they want their data and they want to know what's going on. And so for them, they don't, they don't really see a downside to doing any of the testing. We, we have, you know, our program's not inexpensive right now, but what we're in the process of doing is working to find ways to democratize access to this. And that's really what we get excited about. And so ongoing, so I've had my test back. I've had the general guidance, Then what happens over the rest of the year or few years? How do I then use the services of this incredible array of technology and doctors and brains and stuff?

49:42So anytime you're once you're a fountain member, you can go to any fountain center for any of the add on testing that you may want to do throughout the course of the year. We're going to continue to do blood testing with you remotely. We're going to continue to send different test kits to you periodically, things that we want to work on. us. And we will continue to tweak your program, you know, depending on what your blood work is showing us and what, you know, our questionnaires that we're going to be sending to you will give us more information. And then, you know, you may be somebody who wants to go in and have one of the more advanced treatments that we have.

50:15You know, one of the big issues right now is plastics and microplastics in the environment. And everybody's concerned about that. And there was just a study that was published in Italy that they found microplastics in the plaque of the arteries of people that they were biopsying right so 57 percent of the people that had actually had microplastics in the plaque in the artery plaque right so so as we know that we've you know pretty much contaminated a lot of the oceans today how do you start to do that well you can actually get rid of that through therapeutic plasma exchange their tpe and that that is a way you know we've been doing plasma donations for years but that is a one way to kind of lower plastic counts in your body.

50:52But there are other things you can do, certainly TPE. There are some regenerative technologies that we offer in our centers where you can have access to some of the latest cellular technology under FDA protocols. And we do this under FDA approved study, where you might get NK cell therapy, which is natural killer cell therapy, or you might get stem cell therapy, depending on what we think you may need. But we do those in a few of our centers. but most of our clients it's a one year every follow-up they come back in they do a download or an upload I said once a year they go the entire process and then almost everything else is done remotely so it doesn't require you to physically be at a center to get your ongoing follow-up and we have people that come in from all over the world so we have a lot of European clients that we continue to consult with remotely for that.

51:41So there's the remote care as well so It's like the Zoom call with the experts and that kind of thing. Absolutely. And if we find something for you, let's say you come through and we find a cancer, we're going to make sure you get to the best treatment. And we have, you know, depending on our four centers, we have one in Dallas, one in New York, one in Naples, Florida here, and then one in Orlando. And we have relationships with some of the top treatment centers so that we'll make sure you get the right care that you need and get expedited. So for the people who, I mean, there's a whole load of people in Real Vision, I'm sure are going to be interesting what you're doing and can afford it, but there's a bunch of people who can't.

52:17So, and you said you're working to democratize that, which is great news. And I know, you know, Peter and Tony have been all, you know, everybody's looking to do this. but what are the basic steps people should just do if you would just get somebody in and said listen forget about the testing everything else right now you know the super stuff these are the things you should do what would you what do you recommend yeah so it's not a shameless plug but i will tell you we're going to launch a digital program uh that will be uh launched sometime next month in a beta pilot in dallas uh with uh invited country clubs there are about 480 000 members and that That involves four times a year blood draw, follow up with functional medicine physicians, follow up with a health coach to kind of get you started to get started.

53:07And then that would give you access if they felt like your next step would be a whole body MRI. And that overall, that one year testing, that membership is going to be about$3 ,000, a little bit more accessible to the average person. But more importantly, if you needed to get that whole body MRI, you could go to a fountain center if you're close by or if you wanted to make the travel. and you could get your heart checked and you could get your whole body MRI or get a grail test. So those are some things that you could do on a la carte fashion. When people ask me all the time, they say, what is the biggest secret to longevity?

53:41You know, number one, that one thing that's been correlated the most of anything else with longevity is actually muscle mass. The higher your muscle mass, that cohort of people with the highest quartile of muscle mass lives the longest and is the most disease free. Because one of the things we have underappreciated, even in the orthopedic community, is how unbelievably regenerative muscle strength training is for your entire body. So people who have early cognitive decline and go into strength training can improve their cognitive function as well. Why in that kind of blues under analysis, the Mediterranean, you know, I lived in Spain for 10 years.

54:17Why? I mean, they don't have muscle mass. Americans generally have more muscle mass from the higher protein diet and they do more gym stuff. I guess a lot of the longevity people probably have stronger muscles because they walk down hills and they walk more, but they're not classically like gym people. Right. So when I say muscle mass, I think you have to look at it as a percentage of overall body composition. Okay. So what it is, is that they have a very high amount of lean muscle mass, not a bodybuilder. I mean, people think, you know, you go in the gym, it's all about bodybuilding. And certainly that component, I wouldn't say it's the bodybuilders, but it's the people with the highest quartile of muscle are the ones that live the longest.

55:00And that means that in order to maintain your muscle, they have to be active. And so they are in those blue zone areas. And I just was whipped in at a meeting recently. And you look at what everything he's done there and what he's analyzed. And first of all, their diet is really super helpful, right? And so it's clean air, clean water, diet, sleep, community, and exercise. And really, when you look at what they eat, it's not heavily predicated toward meat, I would say animal protein, but there are a lot of proteins in plants. And they tend to be fairly heavy on that. Now, I don't know that, you know, they get, they probably get on average about 0.7 grams per pound of lean body weight, which is probably enough.

55:43I don't think you need a gram necessarily. necessarily but i think that that's kind of where they live but i will tell you i think the biggest impact that the blue zones has is because of the heavy plant base of the diet their microbiome is very healthy they have a really super healthy microbiome and so we're kind of back to that original interest area right so i think that that's part of it i think when you live in a western society or a high stress society um you know it's it's very hard to have and adopt that type of a lifestyle always. But if you are in the right location where, and our goal here is to really right size and into, I would say, correct the imbalances in your body.

56:25Because if we can eliminate the toxins and we can eliminate some of these things and get your own innate ability to recover back to baseline, then that's your best chance. I mean, almost all of aging is a fight between inflammation and regeneration. And if we can keep the inflammatory process low enough, the regenerative process will take care of itself usually so outside of building muscle mass what are the other things that people everybody should think about sleep is enormous i think that's the hardest one people just go yeah you should get eight hours sleep no shit sherlock how are you supposed to do that very hard there there is it actually a really good book by dr matt williams and uh it is called why we sleep and we highly recommend it because there are a lot sorry it's called Why We Sleep by Dr.

57:13Williams, Matt Williams. He's a Stanford trained sleep specialist. And it's a fascinating book. It's very easy to read. But there's some things around sleep hygiene that we just don't think about. And one is make sure you're not in a real high EMF level. And so if there are a lot of electrical components around your bed, you know, you need to really get into a quiet zone before you go to sleep. Turn the lights down, all of that. I mean, if you're in an area where you can't really do that. You know, blue blockers, things of that nature will help. The second part of that is, you know, which is harder for some people, is that you really sleep.

57:46Alcohol is terrible for sleep. Try to drink alcohol before you go to sleep. You have a decrement of about 10 % of the quality of your sleep with one drink. So getting rid of alcohol, particularly around the peri-bedtime area. The third part of this is getting the temperature of the room down because you really need the temperature of the room down to be at least about a cent, you'd like it ideally at least one degree below what your body temperature is while you're sleeping at night. And when I say that body temperature, I mean, you want your overall temperature to be much cooler in the room. So you could do that with chili pads.

58:21You can do that with a sleep aid pad, anything to keep the body temperature cooler because that will induce really good sleep. What we know about sleep is that when people sleep and once they get into that deep sleep, particularly that component of their sleep cycle, that's when the brain really rinses itself from toxins. And that's why it's so important. And it's really hard. The other thing is exercise is extremely important. Maybe not right prior to bed, but exercise will also help you in a deeper sleep pattern. There are lots of sleep aids out there. I can't detail them all here, but I would tell you that book is very helpful.

58:57And that's the hardest thing for most people to adopt. But once they get into a good sleep hygiene pattern, it just has so many benefits in the help of recharging the brain and cleaning the brain from debris and improving overall outlook. We think that's extremely important. So final one, what kind of diets should people think about? I know that's a very broad, varied topic, but give somebody some sort of a general directional true north. So do this, you're doing all right. Yeah, generally speaking, you know, we are advocates of a more plant-based diet. I tell people every time, nobody can be a purist.

59:32I mean, we're all not going to be Brian Johnson. Okay, Brian Johnson, he's a testament to human perseverance and the willing to try everything, which I think is great. But most people don't fall in that camp, right? Most people are. And so I tell most of our clients, it's an 80-20 rule. Get about 80 % of it right. Don't stop living, first of all, because if you're miserable, that's a stressor. uh and so you can't do that but i do think it's it's really important uh on diet to number one find out what's your microbiome if you have a healthy microbiome or not and you know get that tested because that's extremely important but generally speaking most humans do better with more plants and less uh less you know red meat protein not that it protein's bad okay you need to make sure you get the right quantity of protein but it's the fiber content in plants it's the phenol content in plants it's all of those components that help feed the healthy microbiome and that's what's important to do but i think a lot of this needs to be very carefully curated with what your microbiome looks like and are you having gut issues if you're having gut issues find out why and restore your healthy gut microbiome and then lots of ways to do that if you're having dietary issues you can do elimination diets there's all kinds of things everybody's different and so we try not to make generic recommendations although it is clear that mostly you know 80 70 percent plant-based diets people probably do better fish preferable over other forms of protein i guess i think fish is great i think i think on balance that is definitely true uh and i think you know if you can get your protein sources from plant-based as well that's that's great as well bill this has been fascinating i'm definitely coming in i just need to find some time to come to Naples, but I'm definitely coming.

1:01:21Let me know if you want to come to Naples or Orlando or whatever, Dallas. Just let me know. Call, just call me and send me a note. I'm happy to. Yeah, I'll definitely, I just need to book it and then I'll come. That'd be great. I look forward to having you. Fantastic. I really appreciate your time and I'm sure we'll get you back at some point because I know people are going to be fascinated by this. It's like, it's like the hottest topic in the world for many people now and rightly so after so long. Absolutely. No, I really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity to speak in and I'm happy to come back anytime.

1:01:49There's lots of other things we can talk about too that are really exciting that are on the horizon. Fabulous. All right, Bill, thanks so much. All right. Thanks, Rob. Take care. Okay. So there was a lot in that and you can see how fast things are moving. You can see the scale of the problem of healthcare and how it's just suppressing symptoms. It's not really solving why we get ill or why we age or why we end up with chronic diseases. But the technology is now available and the people are there and these clinics are being built and there are others like it. And I think it's a really, really interesting area for all of us to explore, to read up on and experiment with.

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