REKT Vision: Alt Season Canceled? BTC Dominance Hits 4-Year High

8 Feb 2025 · 1 h 1 min

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REKT Vision: Alt Season Canceled? BTC Dominance Hits 4-Year High

Podcast Description Welcome to the Real Vision Podcast, a source for cutting-edge insights and expert analysis in finance and investing. The mission is to empower listeners with knowledge, tools, and networking opportunities to succeed in their financial journey. Each episode features interviews with top investors, analysts, and industry leaders to assist in navigating the complexities of the global economy.

Episode Overview In this episode, hosts Ovie "OSF" Faruq and Michael "Mando" Anderson discuss the current state and sentiment of the cryptocurrency market, focusing on Bitcoin's dominance reaching a four-year high, the implications of recent economic reports, and developments around crypto ETFs.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Market Sentiment
  2. The atmosphere at TOKEN2049 in Dubai was described as bullish, with many attendees predicting Bitcoin prices reaching $200K-$250K by the year's end.
  3. The hosts expressed caution, suggesting the necessity for certain market conditions to be met before such heights can be achieved.
  1. Bitcoin Dominance
  2. Bitcoin's dominance surged to around 62%, reflecting a shift in investor sentiment towards Bitcoin, particularly in light of recent events around altcoins.
  3. A significant decline in the market cap of meme coins and other altcoins was noted, with large losses reported in sectors like AI and various L1s.
  1. Investment Strategies
  2. The hosts discussed various strategies for navigating the current market dynamics, including:
  3. Allocating 50-60% to Bitcoin
  4. Investing 20-30% in L1s (Layer 1 solutions)
  5. Keeping 10% in AI-related assets to capitalize on the strong narrative around AI coins.
  1. Altcoin Market Performance
  2. The performance of altcoins has been lackluster; many new coins, particularly those associated with high-profile figures, have faced significant sell-offs.
  3. The hosts expressed skepticism about the potential for altcoins to recover quickly, indicating a preference for more established assets.
  1. Future Predictions
  2. The conversation touched on the potential for Bitcoin dominance to remain high for an extended period, with the hosts anticipating a 6-month chopping period before any significant moves in the market are observed.
  3. The necessity for headlines and clarity regarding Bitcoin reserves and macroeconomic factors to catalyze any meaningful change was emphasized.

Key Takeaways

  • Bullish Sentiment for Bitcoin: Many in the crypto community are optimistic about Bitcoin's price, but the hosts urge caution and a measured approach.
  • Shift Towards Bitcoin: The dramatic increase in Bitcoin dominance indicates a potential long-term shift in investor behavior towards Bitcoin, away from altcoins.
  • Investment Strategy: A diversified approach focusing on Bitcoin, L1s, and AI-related investments may yield better results in the current market landscape.
  • Macro and Regulatory Impacts: The market remains sensitive to macroeconomic indicators and regulatory news, which could significantly influence crypto prices.

Conclusion The episode provides insights into the current state of the cryptocurrency market, emphasizing Bitcoin's renewed dominance, the struggles of altcoins, and the importance of a cautious investment strategy in a rapidly changing environment. The discussion reflects a broader sentiment in the market, highlighting the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for investors.

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1:42hello everyone we are back again another episode of wreck vision we did the uh question time with uh osf and mando last week we're back on the public show this week oh so if you were in miami last week um maybe we'll start there how was uh how was that yeah it was good i mean we spoke about it briefly on the um on the last show i believe um but i had a really good time um i think i would like to host more events next time as i was just telling the guys before the show i think the way that it works is like different people hosted their own things obviously i hosted the golf serge did a run i think julian did like a catamaran thing Raul had a couple of dinners that for me worked really well just having like smaller kind of like breakout groups during the time so yeah I would like to we only had three lucky members for the golf this time around but next year I'd love to open it up to more people and maybe we should do a five-a-side game actually that's what I was just thinking I was like what would I have done if I'd come maybe we were doing a five-a-side tournament where you play golf I'm basically just going to do things, do activities that I don't get to do anymore since being married and have a child and just do the first real vision thing so it's like five a side match do a bit of golf You aren't able to play golf anymore?

3:10Well I am but I had to retire from football What else could we do? A bit of table tennis Just watch some football like if it's some football on the weekend we'll just you know play some drinking games just uh guys we're just gonna put on gillette soccer saturday for exactly exactly that's gonna be uh that's gonna be real vision i've got all sorts of plans the next one and what was the sentiment like maybe maybe we'll go into that because i know more left curve than most but like what was the just the general sense it's very bullish the sentiment was very bullish like um when we went for dinner i sat at a table and they asked everyone and what they thought the highs for Bitcoin would be and where it would end this year.

3:58Pretty much everyone was within the 200 to 250K range for Bitcoin. Everyone was like, risk on, what alts do I buy, etc. So it was very bullish. I felt like I was the least bullish person there to the point where I almost felt like I was bearish and did a panel with Sergio and Keith and same thing then. Everyone was bullish. They were both bullish. and I was like, yeah, I'm bullish, but I'm a bit more measured and certain things need to happen for us to unlock high levels. And I kind of talked about how I thought we were in for a chop, which I felt like disappointed people. But yeah, it just seems like the sentiment there, I think, was a microcosm of the sentiment in the market where I think people seem to have this expectation where Bitcoin Reserve and buying of Bitcoin, all this stuff should have happened yesterday and we should now already be at 200.

4:49And I think that's kind of an explanation of why we're seeing the way things are right now. So I think it's good. Sorry, go ahead. As I said, I think it probably relates to how much Bitcoin you own at any one time. Like if you still own Bitcoin, you're probably like, we've got so much more to go. We're going up to 200K. If you're in ETH, obviously it's felt like a tougher cycle. Solana's kind of more ties and a lot more of the DGEN stuff, which has had a very, very tough few weeks since Trump released his coin. So I think it just depends what you're paying attention to. But I do feel as though Bitcoin is up only.

5:26This is going to be a bit of a range like we've seen three or four times over the last two or three years and then we're going to break out again. Yeah, I think I agree with that. And yeah, I just think Bitcoin is possibly in its own league now. I mean, it is in its own league. Hi, Raoul here. Listen, I think we've got until 2030 before the economic singularity arrives. Now, it might not be the exact date, but it's around then. So we have about six years to figure out how to unfuck our future. I've put together a report to help you called Prepare for 2030. It's going to help you take the first steps in that journey to make sure you're secure past 2030.

6:12So just click on the links below and start your journey now. The positive catalyst we have this year for crypto still feel very Bitcoin specific. I know there are some other things like Solana ETF or if the digital asset stockpile includes other things other than Bitcoin. But for me personally, there's nothing that really matches the idea of countries fighting over themselves to buy Bitcoin. That's just another level to me. So for something that has a fixed supply. So maybe that's where we'll start. And that's kind of what the title was today. Bitcoin dominance has just kept on going higher. If you bring up that chart.

7:04We had a brief dip below down to kind of the mid 50s in November, December time. We had big moves in some of the more Dino style coins, like XRP. Solana had a decent move. And then over the last month, particularly since Trump, Bitcoin dominance has just been surging. And which kind of culminated on Sunday night last week, where we had a very, very bearish reaction to potential tariffs coming in. Again, looking back on it now, it just seems so ridiculous at all. But there was a brief moment where ETH dipped to 2000, Solana dipped to 175, I think, and Bitcoin dipped to 90K. And in that move, Bitcoin dominance actually went up in a wick for like 65, 66.

8:05It dipped back down and then it's been slowly moving back higher again. So we're back up to like the 62 % range for Bitcoin dominance. And in that world, we've seen all the previous left curve trade sectors get decimated. So meme coin market cap has lost$45 billion in three weeks. It peaked over$100 billion, kind of$130, I think it was$120. It's now into the 70s. you had the AI agent sector which was peaked at around 18 is now down to just over 7 and that was kind of holding around 12 or 13 until this move and then you've seen kind of various other coins even the L1s like ETH has ETH BTC is at multi-year lows now it's only rebounded to kind of 2750 area even with Bitcoin at 100k Solana is still kind of hanging out around 200.

9:12And then you have a bunch of other more like Dyno L1s, which have performed fairly poorly as well. Very, very weak reaction to all of that sort of stuff. What's your take, firstly, to that one-day move? And then where do you see the market kind of going now? Yeah, I think it's, I think we're probably going to see more of the same for a while. I don't think, I can't see.

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10:48I can't see what catalyst there is to reverse this train, to reverse this move, you know what I mean?

11:00as we said at the beginning it's just going to be more Bitcoin stuff maybe maybe if Solana ETF is successful and it opens the door for other ETFs but I just think there's diminishing returns there I think people have just been beaten up so badly in alts what's the argument now to buy I guess there's an argument to say oh this stuff is down so much you can take a punt at it but it just seems like all new capital seems to be flowing to Bitcoin and nothing else. Bitcoin and possibly Sol, but Sol alone isn't enough to change Bitcoin dominance. I don't know, if you're a new person into crypto, what makes you buy an alt here?

11:50I just love how we've just gone from this show being very left curved and now just like full-on Bitcoin magazine because you now own Bitcoin. It's really been a full evolution since the very first show of me just doing meme coins to now just doing Bitcoin. But I mean, I'm just going with what the market is telling me and maybe there's a time to take the other side of the market. But my problem is like at some point, I do think Bitcoin dominance falls and alts rally, but I just don't know what. Like I don't know what's going to rally. My bet, as we've spoken about in the last couple of weeks, my bet is on AI coins and I own some AI coins.

12:28But again, even there, it's like, which coins do you own? And how do you know what you buy isn't replaced by something else in a few months? Because if you're betting on alt season or alts, outperforming Bitcoin, Bitcoin dominance dropping, et cetera, that's not like an overnight trade or a two-week trade. That's a multi-month trade. So you need to, whatever you hold you need to feel comfortable it's something that will hold and maintain its value and maintain its mind share and narrative over a longer period of time and that's been the hardest thing in this market it's just that's been consistent for a while i think i think it's important to talk about where we were like a month ago because obviously we're like we're super bullish on a bunch of these sort of stuff a month ago can't just now suddenly be like oh i'm bitcoin maxi i don't want to touch anything what has changed what has changed from now until then um there has to be some level of consistency here i think the main thing has got to be um the trump coin like you said that has meant that it really did change which we kind of mentioned two weeks ago that really changed the market dynamic in that people were very very scared about new coins coming even today there's talk about like a kanye west coin even dropping and and you got to wonder like what that would do to existing Solana coins.

13:45So I think that it was kind of a perfect storm there of people suddenly scared about new issuance. And then the second thing I would say here is that PumpFun has created coins, at least on Solana, with only like one or two, well, sometimes even less, but 1 % liquidity pools, right? And the third thing is none of the major exchanges have listed them for spot so when people rush to the exit in these coins i've i have not seen a sell-off like this since i've been in crypto this is like what this did to alts was similar to like an ftx style move um you know stuff is down 90 percent in in three or four weeks that is an absolutely insane move so i think it's kind of a more of an appreciation of um of the lack of liquidity in in in uh in these coins when things go wrong and probably that's also why they go up so high so quickly but um i think those are the two main things that's changed i i do still like ai is like the strongest narrative or one of the strongest old coin narratives here but there is that nagging feeling in the back of my head that yeah we could get wrecked um we could get wrecked if if another coin comes out um but they're down a lot and i kind of just feel like they're kind of down to where they were in let's say november or december early december and i was like looking at them there so like and i still really like this narrative but you just have to and then this becomes a case of yes you have to play all ones you think have the best long-term traction that's a much more difficult one even far coin which was kind of the strongest mean mean one got slightly decimated in this market but i do think those are the ones that will probably bounce the strongest um what i what i did move to two or three weeks ago was after the melania coin which kind of when i i told you i had a big bag of like arc for example and then when that dropped 40 percent after my drop like you can't hold these coins through that um now they are all down 80 i moved to revenue producing kind of coins largely so i moved to things like radium um to hype to jupiter um or kind of the big three those have performed slightly better um so i and i still like that bit of the market so ones where you're you're kind of selling and jlp obviously which has been the vast majority of my portfolio for a long time but those are those are coins which you um you earn just from trading taking place i i am tempted to kind of move some back into some of these coins now like it the the setup here is that stable coins just continue to go higher we're about to reach 220 billion dollars of stable coins right now um that is just up only number of addresses um and amount traded keeps on breaking out to new highs so like volume and yet the altcoin sector is is absolutely decimated so there seems to be this big disconnect between what i would call like underlying fundamentals of crypto adoption and altcoins and maybe that that was slightly the other way um or too far the other way with like how fast how far some of these altcoins got value but i do I do look at them some of them this week even today and I was like they are down a lot and I do think they're going to be the strongest old coin sectors I agree I definitely agree and I still agree with you on AI and I think because perhaps it was a bit of a consensus trade within the casino crowd that's why it's gotten hit so badly and because all the casino money is there every time there's something else out.

17:36So the liquidity suck, that also gets affected as well. But I've been, you know, I bought some ARK and AI-16Z last week in that big sell-off we had over the weekend, I think it was. And my plan is to keep averaging down on that stuff because I do think, I mean, actually one of the things from the Real Vision crypto gathering, one of my takeaways from that was some of the larger wallets I spoke to, whether they were funds managing money or just like high net worth people, people were very, very focused on AI. And actually it felt like it was people who'd missed that first move in December or the first move in November, December, and then sort of just started doing the work in January, seem bullish, but haven't really yet deployed while the price has been going down.

18:26And I think there's capital to come into it that views it as an entry point. rather than capital where it's like, oh, I'm down really bad on this. We're going to sell and move on. I think my view on the AI stuff is going to be a transfer of coins and potentially wealth from the casino crowd to a more sophisticated institutional crowd. I think that's kind of what's happening right now. But I know of at least three, possibly even four funds that we've spoken about who are deploying in that sector right now, I think. And being very patient in terms of averaging down and not just like aping all in.

19:07So I think that stuff is going to be a good space to buy. I think you just have to be patient and try and lower your average cost as much as possible given the price section. But at some point this year, I think we're going to have a big resurgence of that too and through all-time highs, I think. And all-time highs in a lot of those coins, by the way, is like a 10x on some coins, I think now. Right. Well, but I guess the technical setup is what I'm basically trying to say, is that everything else kind of points to more of an altcoin market here, right? Everything else points to when you have stablecoins going this high, when you've had Bitcoin just breaking through an all-time high, right?

19:48and then you have you have the amount of dex volume going going up only the amount of active addresses going up only you would assume that that's that's a market where lots of people are coming in and want to trade altcoins and if we haven't topped like if you don't think this is a cycle top I'm not a big believer in like the just bitcoin dominance right like in the metric of an altcoin cycle because I agree there's thousands of coins that get issued each day but it would really really surprise me if bitcoin at this stage is going to be the best performing asset like yeah if it's going to do a 2x like and nothing else moves because because that would be that would be really wild to have what you just have bitcoin and a bunch of people in stables doing nothing kind of feels like this people are going to probably punt around with some stuff, right?

20:43I think so. I don't disagree with that. I think my only point is I think it will take time. I don't think we're going to see it for a while. And because we don't see it for a while, we just don't know which alts are the ones to play, which is why I think Bitcoin dominance will remain elevated for a while. Like, what you're saying is not going to happen tomorrow or next week, probably not even next month. Could it happen in six months? Yeah, but like in six months, We don't know what the landscape in crypto is changing so quickly. And there are so many things to happen this year. We just don't know which sector within altcoins will do really well.

21:19So it's hard to, what I'm saying is it's hard to put that trade on now because I do think there'll be a lot of alpha within, a sectoral alpha within the altcoin space. It's not just going to be all alts higher, I don't think. Yeah, I think that's a good point. like yes this is like it could potentially be like owning pepe six months before it breaks out do you know what i mean uh and in that time bitcoin can go a lot higher um i guess what you could say is maybe like the l the alt l1 trade should be the direct trade like own some of the l1s and maybe they outperform against bitcoin like maybe that's the safest way to play it over six months because people will still buy solana sui avax cardano like you know all that stuff XRP, all that stuff still does trade with the market so maybe that's maybe that's the best way to play it rather than getting deeper into like alt sectors if that makes sense, just like stick to L1s You can stick to L1s although maybe we should go through that which is kind of what happens to ETH this week there was, if it felt bad to own ETH before this week it definitely fell bad during this week.

22:37ETH is at$2 ,750. So it's kind of unchanged over the last few years, right? Like you could have owned ETH for many years now and kind of be flat on your money, which is kind of wild. I think it's like five years is flat to where it was, so like 2020 time. What do you think about ETH here? Is the market just telling you that you don't trust it? Do you look at it now? There's been some talk this week that because a lot of the more left-curve stuff that was happening on Solana is so down that maybe people will return to safety or return to the relative safety of TVL, which EAP has. What's your take?

23:25Do you think now it's time to buy E? I think we could see a near-term outperformance of ETH just given how much is underperformed. Like you can see, I could see ETH BTC, where is it now like 0.027 or 0.028 or something like that? Like I could see that going back towards 0.03 or above. But it's still hard for me to see like a material outperformance. It's hard for me to see that ratio go back towards 0.06 without a big... Yeah, you would need a really big catalyst. And if I think of what big catalysts there are to get alts to perform, maybe it's an ETF. But guess what? ETH already has an ETF and it's not really seeing that much inflow.

24:11So unless that changes, unless people start thinking, oh, now it's time to start buying ETH and they can build a story, then that could happen. But what I think ETH really needs is not something different in the tech. I think it just needs marketing. I think it needs a, an ETH foundation needs like a revamp. And I know it's maybe going through that or something like that, but it just needs better marketing. It needs, you know, Solana's done a really good job of onboarding normies and building this culture and making it seem like a fun place to be. And ETH doesn't have any of that. It just seems like this sort of like academic thing, which is not attracting retail investors, despite it having an ETF.

24:49So I think like they need like a whole new like marketing plan and they need to use the advantage that they have over other alts and having an ETF and figuring out ways to educate and reach out to people who perhaps are in Bitcoin ETF so they can understand ETH better. Like it just needs, it needs better branding. I can't believe I'm saying this because I know this is probably against everything that like stands for. Yeah, but that's what it needs. So maybe to kind of bring all this together, I think a lot of people would have had part of their portfolio in high risk stuff, just like Ian, you did, but down, down quite a lot over the last few weeks.

25:36How would you rebuild the portfolio? Let's start objectively like you've got 100 % meme coins and they're down. What do you think you should be earning for the next few months? So this is what, let's say it's six month time horizon? Yeah. let's be like look I'm down I'm not dead I need to work out if I should be holding on to this stuff what amount should I keep in my memes or AI or like how would you rebuild the portfolio I would say let's say like 50 % Bitcoin I would say 20 I'd say maybe like this is like a slightly more defensive portfolio but let's say like 60 % Bitcoin 30 % other L1s and 10 % AI that's how I would I would structure it and I wouldn't I honestly wouldn't buy just normal meme coins here like I really wouldn't for a six month hold I wouldn't like if you're if you're in the trenches and you're gambling meme coins and you're trading them in and out fine but I wouldn't buy meme coins here and I'm not just saying that as like a mid-curver.

26:53Like obviously, if you listen to the show the entire of last year, my entire portfolio was meme coins and that's when I was pretty bullish on that space. But I'm not that bullish at all on being able to buy and hold a standard meme coin for the next six months. So I wouldn't, I don't have any meme coins. Like if I own anything that's meme related, it's within AI. It has some AI connectivity to it. That's stuff like Rekt. but other than that, I don't have any meatloins. So stick to AI, basically, because you think that's going to be the strongest bounce. So I think I would, I still think there's some good altcoin stories there, but I think knowing this from previous, kind of let's say chop periods, the ones that outperform are generally the revenue producing ones.

27:41Like I remember like RLB through that period. So I would own, I would definitely get into something like Bitcoin or JLP. Like JLP is probably my favorite asset right now, which is the basket of majors plus, which earns you yield on Jupiter perps. Then I probably have about, like you said, 40 or 50 % in that. Then I'd look at stuff like on the L1 side, like you said, something like hype might be interesting here because of the amount of revenue it's generating. I'd look at Radium I'd look at Jupiter so I'd probably have 20-30 % of my bag in that and then maybe the final 20 % I kind of agree with you I think the I'd pick AI memes so I'd pick something like Farquhar and I'll go but because I think that's the only thing I can really feels like it's the sureest better for a six month period but it's tough if i was only for like the next month stuff like ai16z or arc like ai16z is now beats solana as the most popular open source protocol ever created by a um by a crypto team it does feel as though that the optionality of something like that 350 million seems crazy to me um so i if i was doing it for the next month i do think i do think i'd look at a lot more of these ai utility coins and be like um yeah maybe i'll play them but the the outside risk is yeah you could it sounds as though we're going to get a coin from from tons of different people still like and there's there are stables now kind of weighing the wings to buy that um a bit more than there were last time like solana stables have broken out to 12 or 13 billion i think now so that's kind of been up only um but i do think we'll get a coin from kick we'll get a coin from maybe Twitch or get a coin from GameStop or get a coin maybe from Kanye West.

29:41It's very, very clear we're going to get a lot of new coins in this world. And you have to be wary of that even for short-term holds in those. It feels like, you know, we've seen some, obviously we've seen some of those coins come and so far they've all come on Solana. Like I find it very hard to think any of these coins won't come on Sol. So that kind of makes me pretty bullish in Sol as well. It just feels like if you're gambling the stuff, you need to have liquid Sol. And I think more and more people will realize they need to have liquid Sol. That's the other trade that I think is still really interesting here.

30:18The idea of maybe Sol, FDV, flipping, ETH.

30:25That's something I think is worth, especially with Sol back down now towards 200. I think that's another thing worth thinking about because we're, what, almost 50 % off, 30, 40 % off the highs that we saw earlier this year when Trump came. Imagine if you have, and I agree with you, I think we're going to see all this big stuff release coins by the end of the year. I think it's all going to be in Seoul. Yeah, I really like Seoul. I continue to think that is one of my favorite of the majors. JLP as an asset is generally geared towards Seoul as well. So if you want to own kind of soul exposure in a basket, which is geared mainly towards soul, that's not a bad one.

31:10But I think, you know, obviously got the unlocks this month, next month. Then I think it's in a good spot. I still think it's a really good spot. It got caught in, let's say, the crosswinds of this move in Bitcoin dominance. But I do think that's relatively strong. The only other one that's come up on this whole like revenue generating L1s is Tron, if you've ever looked at that, which has been a coin like associated with Justin Sun, HCX. But just because they are now seemingly tied to World Liberty Financial, and it feels unlikely that we're going to get a situation where U.S. regulation is that tough.

31:52I think the SEC looks like it's dropping a lot of cases at the moment. it's now looking like it's going to accept a bunch of ETFs. It suddenly feels as though that one, which has easily been the biggest revenue generator of the L1s, that one's held up okay. And I've looked a bit more at it. I don't know if you can buy it on US exchanges, but you can buy it on a bunch of other different more international exchanges. So that's the only other one I'm looking at. It does feel as though we are going to get a, like you said, if you are just focused on Bitcoin though, It does feel as though we are going to get a bunch of states now FOMOing in.

32:27I think there's nearly 15 states which have active Bitcoin reserve bills at the moment. And they are seemingly like biting it out for who's going to be the first to implement some sort of Bitcoin reserve. You have the Czech National Bank, sorry, the Central Bank came out and said they're going to allocate part of their reserves to Bitcoin. That's the first major central bank I've seen. and you have various companies around the world coming in and saying, yeah, we're going to allocate part of our treasury to Bitcoin. There is something to be said that like stop trying to degen so hard when you have such an obvious trade sitting there in that you have this global game theory of everyone trying to buy Bitcoin.

33:18you know one of the best or easiest trades last year was the Bitcoin Solana barbell and I'm starting to think well not starting to think I do think we're going to see that continue to be a strong trade this year like I don't see how you go wrong if you're bullish on the market I don't see how you can go wrong with a trade like that yeah just a Bitcoin Solana barbell and maybe you spend some of that Sol on doing sort of like the DGN trading on the side because it will I think you're right we're going to see so many coins in Sol so you want to have liquid Sol to try and catch some of those and then it's like in 2021 you trade NFTs to try and multiply your ETH because that was the thing that kept going higher yeah and last year I don't really think most people traded meme coins to multiply their Sol I felt like most people found meme coins to hold and try and just like make money but maybe this year the game is to you know trade the meme coins to try and multiply your soul just build a big stack of soul while you hold bitcoin against it like I think that's probably now feels like a good sweet spot to me if you're not trenching 24-7.

34:34In a sideways market I would bitcoin and soul barbell does seem like one of the strongest I think the the second bit of this question really does become is this a six-month thing or is it a three-month thing or is it a two-month thing from here or is it are we going to break out next month or this month um because i do think that once bitcoin hits a new all-time high and breaks out like 110 and suddenly just like it when it was a you know ranging for a while in um last year you saw all the degen activity really started to happen like breaking out new highs when we hit a new high in bitcoin i do think that's when you want to start having a more risky portfolio um how long how long do you think this chop chop could be here do you think it's going to be one of the shorter chops like normally after like a really long we had nine months last year um if this is a bull market you would assume that this one would be slightly shorter than that uh and then maybe shorter after that and and that would be the continuation of a bull market are you what's your sense are we lock are you locking down for six months?

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35:39I think part of this is like a macro question. So maybe you need to see a slight resolution or what were you looking for there for like the big things that will take us maybe out of the range? I think a six month chop could be on the cards because yes, part of it is macro and we'll see how that progresses over that time. We had the Michigan survey for inflation just now, which sent the markets back lower again after the payrolls number came in below expectations. So there are some macro questions that I think not necessarily need to be answered, but perhaps we get better clarity over in that time, which will affect crypto.

36:23But I think for crypto itself to break out of this like choppy cell strength style price section, we need to get more headlines and clarity on Bitcoin reserve and all that stuff, which I think is going to take at least six months, if not longer. And I think we're going to see some headline volatility within that time period. Like, just like, quote me on this. And remember, I said this at some point between now and the next six months, we are going to get some headlines, which will say Bitcoin Reserve looks unlikely, or they can't do this, or they're facing some hurdles. There's going to be some sort of like, negative headline, which will make people start to question it.

37:08Like right now, everyone thinks it's going to happen. And I do think it probably will happen. But there's going to be something that will cast a greater amount of doubt in people's minds. And that's when I think we're going to get like a real shake or a real wobble. And that I think is going to be the best buying opportunity because I do think they'll get it over the line. But, you know, we had that with the whole ETF saga, right? The ETFs were going on for ages and then you had moments where it was like, oh, no, they're not going to do it anymore or it's not going to get approved. And people were really questioning it.

37:35So and that also goes to show like, you know, right now, maybe that doubt is a small part of people's minds. people just think it's going to take time but um if you have that wobble it becomes a greater um that probability that that uh weighting of doubt becomes greater and it means when it does happen you're going to see like a monster rally like a much bigger rally than we anticipated and that's kind of what i think is going to happen and i think that's always what needs to happen for us to get to these 200 250 levels because i think people need to lose that hope a little bit to get there right now.

38:10I think everyone just expects it still. Yeah. Yeah, I think the main things I'd be looking for here are the headlines really coming from David Sachs, like all rumors of headlines that were going to come to some sort of resolution of what's going to be included in the Bitcoin Institute Reserve. probably the main ones and then maybe some of the macro stuff it does feel like that's like drifting slightly away from us i don't know if you've seen if this is like inflation could be drifting slightly higher it feels like the fed's not going to be like that supportive i don't think maybe something breaks in the em country which causes a massive causes massive stimulus maybe we get the swap lines which rao was talking about you know like maybe we get some sort of stop line between the US and Japan.

39:08There's something that's probably going to break a little bit there for that to happen, right? So maybe we get something around there on a currency level, which looks like it could break out. Maybe the UK, similarly, the UK or Japan, but like the obvious ones that people are looking at at the moment. But for me, it feels like it's probably going to be a policy thing. So we're probably going to have to get some sort of legislation or something around the Bitcoin strategic reserves that will be the main things I'm looking for. I'm bullish that it will be less than six months. If this started at the start of the year, or maybe, I don't know when this started, so maybe middle of December last year, this job, then I think we could, by the end of the spring, we could hopefully be out of this.

39:56I hope so. It would be nice, but I'm positioned for it to be done sooner. Like I'm not max risk right now, but I'm happy if things go higher, but I'm mentally prepared for a six month shot and not getting myself excited. It feels like you can probably make a good bit of money just trading the range here, I think. That's what I'm going to do. Largely, like everyone thinks it's all over at 90 and everyone will be super euphoric at 110 or 106. And I think you can trade a decent range here and kind of know you're not going to blow up. Yeah, I think that's right. But I think that range will like, you're going to see that range narrow over time.

40:34I guess people call it a wedge and then it's just going to take off. Okay, so we kind of go to the questions in here? Yeah, let's do questions. Before we head to the questions, we, as usual, just want to showcase some pro content on Real Vision Crypto. Earlier this week even, sorry, we had Jamie Coots speak with Tony Plasencia, who's a co-founder of Griffane. So if you are into AI coins, that's obviously been a big one. There's a lot of mindshare. They spoke about the rise of AI agents and what else is coming in the space. Highly recommend you guys check out that video. It's available to pro crypto subscribers.

41:15You can sign up to watch it on realvision.com. All right, questions. If you were to invest in, this was from Jonathan D. If you were to invest in US-made crypto, that narrative from Trump, which would be your favorite coins? You like Sol, Sui, and maybe some de-jetting in XRP. But is there anything else you're looking at in the idea of American-made coins? The ones that have kind of been touted are Sol, XRP, Link, and Aave. I would say the ones that I hear about the most. The one I like the most is definitely Solana at the mall. So if I'm just going to have a US-centric approach, it would be Solana.

42:08Or arguably you could have like, this is why I kind of like Tron, because it's something like, so Justin Stokes is the biggest investor in World Liberty Financial, and it's clearly kind of making friends there. so maybe that's kind of the outside chance of like something that will benefit from a trump first approach to crypto i don't know yeah i think um i think i agree with that i think i'm not really familiar with like what other american coins are that there are um there's a really good graphic actually which shows there's there's a ton but in terms of the ones that would ever be gold yeah it would just be our ones Yeah, the big L ones.

42:50Yeah, that's fair. Okay, next question. It seems mainstream media is reporting on a sole ETF approval. It implies that the SEC would take up to its maximum of 240-day review period. Do you think the pro-crypto stance that the new admin has would fast-track this? wouldn't an approval near the end of the year be too close to the end of the peak? So do you think we could see a fast-tracked approval of the Solana ETF? Are you worried if it happens towards the end of the year, it's sort of towards the top or after the best result of the price section? Yeah, I wouldn't assume that the SEC timelines of previous ETFs has much bearing on this one.

43:40Given they've approved the BIC1 ETF, I think the SEC is now, this week has acknowledged Grayscale's applications for Solana and Litecoin ETFs. I think that process could be much quicker, much, much quicker. It doesn't need to be drawn out and we could get approvals much sooner than 2070 days in my opinion. I agree. I think these guys seem active in getting things done. obviously Hester Pierce at the SEC now has a bigger role in this stuff and she seems pretty switched on and on it so I don't think I mean I know they're talking about classification of stuff, what's the security, what's not security etc, I don't think I don't think we need to wait for that for them to launch a Solani ETF let me put it that way I think they could just go ahead and do it if there's enough demand what's your take on World Liberty Finance buying$200 million worth of ETH and Eric Trump's pro-ETH tweet, which said, thank me later, which was then soon edited to remove the thank me later part.

44:50Yeah. I thought it was a very strange tweet, if I'm honest. Kind of felt like a KOL tweet after they just bought some meme coin. I wouldn't read much into it. I think thinking that the Trumps will save ETH has been not a good trade. That's kind of what my view is. Like if you own ETH because you're bullish, Eric Trump is going to save it. I kind of think that's not a strong enough reason. So I think there's some possibility that that gets included in the strategic reserve in the US. But ETH isn't US based. and apart from the DeFi stuff that World of Liberty Financial is getting involved in, it may not pass the David Sachs kind of review process here of something that they would want to have a strategic reserve in.

45:47So I think there are surer bets there, basically, if you're going to buy it. Yeah. I think that's probably right. I think from what I've heard, they've obviously bought a lot of ETH, and they've bought a lot of ETH ecosystem coins as well. And there were some rumors on Twitter saying if you had bought$10 million of World LibertyFi, they would return the favor and buy$10 million of your coin, which is why they bought some of this other random stuff. So I don't know. I think for me, there's not much more to read into that. I think it's nice to see that you have a large buying of Ethereum, but I don't really, I don't know, like I guess that group could lobby for the government to include ETH in their plans and more stuff they're doing.

46:42You would think that kind of makes sense. Maybe it's that obvious and it's just staring at us blank in the face and no one wants to play in it. I'm not really sure, but I don't, for now, taking the stance, there's not too much to read into it, I think. Speaking of, any thoughts on Ondo? that's definitely one that those guys have been buying. Ondo is an interesting one because it's now going down the L1 route as well. I like it more than I've liked it in the past. My general view is that a lot of the, they've been one of the people hand-holding some of the tokenization efforts, particularly for treasuries.

47:24I've always thought that the TradFi firms would kind of just do this themselves. like I think JP Morgan would have its own RWA platform as did all the other banks because it's probably valuable proprietary tech to have but now it's going down the L1 route it doesn't necessarily have to be where the have to help these firms get on the blockchain it just really has to be where they go and I think that's maybe a slightly stronger argument So in this world of maybe DeFi being a bit stronger if we chop, I do think Ondo could be an interesting one because it will be tied to the RWA narrative. Yeah, agreed.

48:12I don't have any additional thoughts on that. Next question, 3 % of my portfolio is a memes, Mog, Giga, and Pepe. Is it a good idea to cut my losses and move it to Sui or virtuals? I wouldn't buy virtuals that's one thing I wouldn't buy I think virtuals as a platform has really gotten through the ringer at the moment I think only seven agents were created yesterday for example I think there are stronger plays out there on the infra side in my opinion or marketplace side than virtuals Pepe, Mog and And what was the third one? Giga. Yeah. I mean, they are in the stronger category of memes, but you might be there for a while.

49:10If you're just going to get frustrated that these maybe underperform some of the L1s, maybe. It's tough to think that Pepe is not a multi-cycle meme, right? But Giga and Mog, I think, are about to be questioned here a little bit. So I'd maybe keep the Pepe and cut the other two. I think, yeah, I've said my view on memes. I think meme coins will just underperform AI, underperform Bitcoin, perhaps even other L1s for the rest of this year. Does that mean now is the right time to sell? Maybe not, because a lot of these meme coins are down 80, 90 % in a short timeframe. And even though I think they will underperform over a longer period of time you may have random dead cat bounces and that kind of stuff and you know for example popcat got listed by coinbase and that's that was up i mean it's not even up that much it's up 20 percent um on that news you know before that that would cause things to go up like two or three x so um i think um i think if it was me if i had that position i would look to scale out of it but i'd maybe try and find a day when meme coins that are up versus everything else because I do think you will probably find that day and you know three percent of your portfolio is not a large amount anyway so it's not um well I don't want to assume it's not a large amount um uh absolutely but as a percentage relative to your portfolio it's small so it's not I think not the end of the world um what is your opinion of uh Monero have you looked at that at all uh Monero yeah these are the privacy chains yeah i haven't looked that much into them um other than it feels as though they may be a stronger tailwind here because of the uh the throwing out of the tornado cash case um i think in one state i think it was texas yep it's difficult there's a few different players in that in that privacy chain world um my honest view is that that that some of the l1s will uh will focus on privacy a little bit more.

51:27I think it's been one of the explicit aims of Vitalik rather than buying a privacy chain itself. One of the existing very popular ones. Yeah, I agree. I think that stuff had a bounce after the Tornado case.

51:44And perhaps if we see more of that, you could see some capital, though, go back into it. But other than that, no real strong view. do you think if the US plans to build a Bitcoin reserve they'll purposefully say they won't first to dump the market so that they can pack their bags? No, no, I don't. I think the Bitcoin reserve largely will probably just take over the confiscated Bitcoin to start. You may hear about other ways that they're buying it. But I think it would more be stealth. I don't think they'll give you a red herring and say, we're not going to approve it and then approve it. I think they're more likely to just buy it in secret and tell you they've already bought it.

52:32Yeah, I think that's right. I think you have to remember, like, I mean, their bags are already packed, right? The US owns whatever it is, like$18,$20 billion of Bitcoin. So there's nothing, you know, they don't need to even really front run it. I think it's already in their favor. Also, I don't think the government's going to start buying Bitcoin and then say, oh, we've just announced it. And by the way, we've already bought it. I think there's probably going to be a bit more of a process to it as well. So I don't foresee anything like that.

53:10Next question. I've lost my page. any update on GLI and ISM and if you looked at those numbers this week the ISM manufacturing PMI I think climbed to 51 or 50.9 was it earlier in the week is that something that you've been monitoring or looking at that we're having a slightly stronger ISM I think for me for me that points to a slightly less benign financial conditions situation here. Like that unemployment, for example, again, the unemployment level came in lower again today. I think it's less likely that the Fed at least will be as accommodative as we want it to be. Yeah, it's a bit of a weird one because today we had payrolls coming below expectations unemployment rate coming below they revised they massively revised last year revised last month yeah and then you had but you had wage inflation higher than expected so it's kind of like a bit of a mixed bag really like it wasn't really so we end up just i guess feeling neutral i guess the market liked it because we started to rally a bit um before the michigan survey but um yeah kind of like a mixed bag i still don't really i still don't really know if like good is bad and bad is good and all that like we just seem to be glazing past it a bit and just it already depends on what pal says at the fomc and i think the market hasn't necessarily done a good job of extrapolating these numbers to what pal is going to say because the hawkish fomc caught everyone off off guard in november and then the fomc this month um or last month caught everyone off guard as well because it was like less hawkish or maybe slightly diverse than what people expected um so i'm more i guess i'm more focused on like fomc for what government's market move rather than these numbers because i think we're just not doing a good job of extrapolating these numbers unless we see a clearer trend in them.

55:34All right, we're over time, but we'll just do one last question because we started a little bit late. If you are to start investing in crypto this day and age, how would you allocate$500 every month for a long-term investment? I think you know what I'm going to say, but what would you say?

55:55Yeah, I mean, if you're really looking for a long-term investment, you've got to own Bitcoin. but the only other thing I would think would be JLP that's it yeah I would say Bitcoin I think it's hard for me to see long term which I'm assuming is in excess of one year it's hard for me to underwrite anything other than Bitcoin I think cool alright I think that brings us to the end of the show thanks everyone for listening to RektVision before we go a question for you guys have we finally hit the peak Bitcoin dominance level or is there more pain to come for alts? Please let us know what you think in the comments.

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