Trading the Markets: September 24, 2025 | Kris Bullock and Bijan Maleki

24 Sep 2025 · 37 min

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Podcast Summary: Trading the Markets - September 24, 2025

Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Kris Bullock and Bijan Maleki
  • Focus: Analyzing trade ideas and market trends, with audience Q&A.
  • Key Topics: Market analysis, trading strategies, specific cryptocurrency insights, and audience engagement.

Key Takeaways

Market Analysis

  • Recent Market Trends:
  • The market faced significant sell-offs with over $1.5 billion in leveraged positions liquidated, primarily in ETH and Bitcoin.
  • The hosts suggest that such market shakeouts can create buying opportunities.

Upcoming Trading Opportunities

  • Charts and Technical Analysis:
  • Discussion on Bitcoin's price action and seasonal trends indicates potential for a rally in Q4.
  • Historical data on Bitcoin charts from previous years show similar patterns of recovery post-September.
  • Market Sentiment:
  • The hosts maintain a bullish outlook for the upcoming weeks, citing recent bullish divergence signals and increasing buying pressure.

Crypto Portfolios

  • Portfolio Performance:
  • Highlights on successful portfolios shared within the Real Vision community, including Chris Bullock’s entry-level crypto portfolio and Joe Bland’s equity portfolio.
  • Both portfolios have shown significant gains, underscoring the value of following expert strategies.

New Cryptocurrency Insights

  • Aster:
  • Emerging as a strong competitor to Hyperliquid, Aster is gaining traction in the decentralized exchange space.
  • The hosts note the importance of being cautious with new projects while also recognizing potential upside based on current market enthusiasm.

Viewer Questions and Insights

  • The hosts address various audience questions, providing insights on specific coins like Hype, SWE, and Punk Strategy.
  • Hype remains a strong contender for medium-risk investment with ongoing positive sentiment and performance.
  • Deep shows a potential bottoming signal, indicating a buy opportunity.

Final Thoughts

  • Market Caution: Viewers are advised to stay calm during potential market downturns and not make impulsive decisions based on short-term volatility.
  • Emphasis on the importance of community engagement through Discord for sharing insights and strategies.
  • Encouragement for continuous learning and adaptation in trading approaches.

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Additional Resources

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  • For more insights and expert analysis, listeners are encouraged to subscribe to Real Vision.
  • Community engagement through Discord and upcoming live events with industry experts.

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0:00Hey, everyone. As you know, on this podcast, I bring the best guests in the world at that nexus of understanding of macro crypto crypto and the exponential age of technology. If you're enjoying the show, a quick five-star rating goes a long way. It helps us grow and keep these conversations coming with the best guests in the world. Thanks a lot.

0:25Happy Wednesday, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Trading the Markets with Chris Bullock, aka BlastoPlass. The market took quite a hit to start out this week, right? But as RAL and as we often say on Real Vision, shakeouts like this often clear the path for stronger moves ahead. Obviously, we saw over$1.5 billion in leveraged bets wiped out, which was led by$516 million on ETH and just under$300 million on Bitcoin. So obviously, there was quite some blood in the streets. But if you caught Macro Monday with Andreas and Mikkel, they discussed this sudden Monday sell-off and that it looks like a buying opportunity.

1:17And that's what we're going to do here today. We're going to dive into the charts, look at the market, and see what alpha we can find and what buying opportunities we're seeing here. Obviously, you've heard of Aster coming out, which we'll dive into as well. That's just ripping the market. Make sure as well, guys, if you're not in our Discord, you go ahead and join. You can take part in the conversation, take part in all the alpha sharing that we have within our great Hivemind community. And if you're not a member of RV Connect, make sure you sign up because you do get access to Chris's entry level crypto portfolio that kind of walks you through all of, you know, some great trades.

1:59He's doing the work for you. So you can just sit back, relax and just take those profits. He's up quite a bit year to date and just for the history of this portfolio. And he's not the only portfolio you're getting. You're also getting Joe Bland's entry level equity portfolio, which is also up pretty almost 200 percent year to date. Might be higher than that. Don't just don't quote me on it, but he's up quite a bit year to date also. So you have two great portfolios. And of course, you get our live show on Monday. and speaking of live shows, RAL is going to be back for the much anticipated, much requested drinks AMA, drinks with RAL tonight at 6 p.m.

2:42Eastern. So make sure you tune in. And also, Jamie Coots has an interview dropping probably any minute now, if it hasn't dropped already while we're live on air, where he goes through the Bitcoin cycle. So make sure you also check that out so you can see where we're at and what Jamie's insights tell us. Chris, happy Wednesday. How are we doing? How are you feeling about the markets today? I'm actually feeling quite good, in fact. I know we talked about it on Monday. Everything was pretty ominous on Monday, lots of red candles. But even then, I was reasonably bullish with the short to medium term outlook even.

3:20And we're seeing a continuation of that. So I wanted to highlight, I think I talked about this maybe a couple of weeks ago. I'm struggling to remember which show it was on, but the September seasonality thing. And what I want to talk about here is I want to look at the Bitcoin chart here on the weekly timeframe and look at the sort of the last two September, October sort of periods and how similar it is right now compared to them. And I think that the same thing is playing out. And so what we're looking at here, if we go back to September 2023, we can see that was really the bottom and things started to pick back up in reverse.

3:57But if we kind of zoom in closer, we can see that it did this thing where it, you know, starting around the middle of September, it started to run up and then it sort of corrected, came back down, retested the moving average, and then, you know, launched from there right around the beginning to middle of October. So we saw, you know, a reasonable launch at the end of September. And then, you know, again, the retest. And then if we go to sort of September of last year of 2024, a very similar thing, it bottomed in the beginning of September, we had a nice couple of weeks come up. And then we had a, you know, a bit of a correction.

4:31Again, it came back down, retested the moving average perfectly right at the end of September and launched out from there again, big, big run up. And if we look at where we are now, almost the same exact thing. We came down here, you know, We bottomed at the beginning of September. We have two nice big candles up, a bit of a comeback down, retest perfectly on the moving average again. And we're seeing a nice big wick to the downside, which is a bullish sign that shows that there's a good amount of buying pressure at this same support level right here. That's right on the 20-week moving average, which is also right on this horizontal support level.

5:04and I suspect we're going to see something very similar where starting this week, next week, somewhere in the next week or two, a continuation of this pattern where we get another big leg up coming into October, coming into sort of the Q4 period that we've been talking about for months now. And so far it's playing out exactly. So I think that's super interesting. I think it's also bolstered by, a couple of weeks ago, Raoul had Michael Howell on his show. on his journeyman show. And that was a fascinating interview where they talked about just the sort of the global liquidity environment and how both of them were on the same page in terms of the business cycle extending into next year.

5:45And, you know, we're not anywhere close to a peak type environment yet. And so I, you know, I encourage people to watch this if you haven't. It's on both the Real Vision platform and on YouTube as well on Raoul's journeyman YouTube page. Amazing interview. These two people are the, you know, the sort of global foremost experts on global liquidity. And I, it was great. I mean, it was just full of fascinating charts and highly recommended. It's very, it's very like relieving, you know, you watch it and you're like, oh, okay, I feel, I feel much better about what's going on now than, than maybe I did, you know, a couple of weeks ago.

6:18And it's important because like some of the technicals, I see a lot of people saying there's technicals out there. There's technical indications that are showing maybe, you know, things do look toppy and maybe, you know, we are right around the, the, the same time period that the market has topped in the last two, four-year cycles. And so that's weighing on a lot of people. And I think it's important to get this macro perspective, this liquidity perspective, because it sort of counters the technicals and gives you a lot of insight that you don't see in the charts. And I think it's important to factor that into the equation.

6:52Another thing I noticed too was just looking at the Bitcoin ETF flows, we saw it had been trending upwards all through the year, basically, May, June, July. And then in August, we had a net outflow month. And that sort of is perfectly reflected in the charts. Like if we go back here and look, this was the month of August, basically, these three weekly red candles here on the Bitcoin chart. And so that makes sense. But again, if we go back and look at the ETF inflows, we're seeing a net inflow again. And we're seeing basically institutional money coming back into the Bitcoin space, buying Bitcoin back.

7:30And again, this is reflected in the chart as well. And I think that this also sort of bolsters my thesis that we're going to see future green candles in the coming quarter. And so overall, I'm generally bullish. I think, too, as we go through the show, looking on the daily timeframe on a lot of charts, we're seeing a ton of bottoming signals. We're seeing like DMARC9s. We're seeing bullish divergence flags popping up on some of my indicators. There's a lot of signals that are showing seller exhaustion and momentum shifting back to the upside. So I think it's all there, and I'm generally pretty bullish on what's going on right now.

8:08So good times ahead for us. Chris, do you have another chart that you want to get to? I do want to remind everyone, if you have any questions you want us to take live on air, just put them in the live chat on X or on our platform. We'll get to as many as we can. Yeah, I wanted to go through just some daily charts, you know, on this trading alpha indicator and kind of speak to some of those bullish, you know, changes that I'm seeing just to show because like it's definitely happening. Like here, for example, this is Bitcoin on the daily timeframe. We're seeing this big, this thrust candle here, this showing there's a ton of volume coming in today.

8:44We did have a bullish divergence flag pop up here, you know, again, showing just there's a bid. There's money coming in. And then if we look at Ethereum, we have a nice clean DMARC9 signal today, plus a big bullish divergence flag that's kind of hiding behind that. You can't really see it. But this is showing, again, seller exhaustion on Ethereum and momentum shifting back to the upside. if we look at solana it does it's actually oh it's got a bullish divergence flag here too plus a big wick to the downside which is showing um big you know these kinds of wicks to the downside uh sort of can can signal like what's called a swing low where you know you get a big flush to the downside it quickly gets bought back up and it's it you know signals a shift in momentum so if we get a big sort of green candle you know tomorrow that that eclipses the the high of this one today, that's going to be a strong momentum signal to the upside too.

9:38So again, and I can go through a ton of these charts. We're seeing them kind of across the board. We have one here on SWE. You know, we have one here on XRP, same thing here. And it just kind of, if we go down the list, again, we're seeing lots of bottoming signals. So I mean, we can dig into individual charts if we have questions, but just across the board, you can see just as I'm going down the list, it's kind of happening on all of them. So again, it's, it's, it's, it's good stuff right now, honestly. You know, if you've ever wished you could ask me a question, any question 24 seven, well, now you can.

10:11The Raoul Pal bot is my AI assistant trained on all of my insights, macro research, macro views, even wine and travel knowledge. The Raoul bot is available for everybody who subscribes to either connect alpha or pro. It can really change your life. You get me as your mentor 24-7. The link's in the description. I think you're going to love it. Love it when things happen, kind of as we expect them to. You know, earlier in the month, you were kind of talking about exactly this playing out and we saw it play out almost to a T, Chris. So credit to you for reading the charts and the T leaves there and really making that call for everyone who was paying attention, right?

10:52So love to see that history is, you know, kind of repeating itself in a good way here as we kind of set up for hopefully what's a great October. Yeah, it's interesting. I had drawn here, let me pull it back up. I had it hidden here, but I had drawn this line.

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12:19And it's, I mean, of course, it's not exact, you know, but at the same time, it's pretty close. I knew that we were going to come up here likely back to this sort of horizontal range and get rejected somehow and kind of come back. I was urging sort of patience at that time. I was saying, don't get too over exuberant when we get this run out of here because there's a decent chance it's going to get rejected. It did get rejected. But I do like, again, looking here on the daily timeframe even, it hasn't come back down as low as I thought it might. To me, that's actually an incredibly bullish signal too for it to bounce almost perfectly.

12:50Again, I didn't draw this line today. This line was drawn weeks and weeks ago and for it to come down and perfectly bounce, you know, right off of this 112 ,000 level and, you know, big green candle today. So it's funny, you draw these lines sometimes and it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy almost. But yeah, it's perfect. And so I love the way this is playing out. I love the fact that so far for now it's setting a higher low. You know, it didn't come all the way back down to this level. And I mean, again, yet more evidence for a reason to be optimistic. And so I like what I'm seeing here. And another great reason that you should be a member of RV Connect, because Chris, like he said, he drew that line on September 3rd.

13:30And obviously, it didn't happen exactly as he drew it, but it's pretty damn close. And that's just another reason why you want to be following his entry level portfolio. So Chris, we have a coin that's pretty much just taken over the talk of crypto Twitter. It's the talk of the sound all over anyone who's involved in crypto, which is Aster, which I'm sure you've all seen it. I actually just input a trade idea on the RV website on Aster. So make sure you go ahead and like that. Give a comment. Tell me that it's going to zero or help pump it to the moon. But Chris, what are we seeing on Aster? Do we like it?

14:11Is it going to eat hype's market share? What are you thinking here? Well, it's funny. at the moment, it certainly is eating Hype's market share. In fact, I looked just this morning and here we have the top crypto decentralized exchanges by volume and market share. And in fact, Hyper, or I'm sorry, Aster is well above Hyperliquid in both market share and trading volume over the last 24 hours. But we have to keep in mind, Aster is brand new. It's very much the new shiny object on the block. It's the one that has everybody's attention. And Hyperliquid, you know, was, was it had its run too, when it too was the shiny object.

14:50Um, and, and very much did, you know, something similar. So it's going to be interesting. It's still very early. Obviously Aster has only been out for not even less than a week. And so it makes sense that everybody wants to go there and try it out and, and see if they like it. Um, it remains to be seen if it has staying power. I'm sure it will to some extent, given, you know, it's backed by Binance and backed by CZ and, and, you know, it's got clearly it's got a lot of money. It's got a lot of talent in it. And so I think it will be a legitimate competitor, but it remains to be seen ultimately what the market is going to settle on or where they're going to, you know, where that's going to play out.

15:26Yeah. I think it's important to also remember that nothing, nothing bad has happened to hype. You know, hype is still as it was last week or the week before. I mean, it's, it's still doing well. It's still a very solid product. It still has sort of first mover advantage. It's, you know, it's, it's a, maybe even a more mature product and that it's had, it's had time to evolve and develop and be tweaked, whereas Aster is literally brand new. But obviously, the price action speaks for itself. This is on the hourly timeframe because it's so brand new. It's not even worth looking at it on the daily.

15:56But I think on Monday, yeah, we were looking at it, and it was right around this level here. And that proved to be the bottom. It reversed later that day and has been just ripping ever since. And it obviously looks great. So I think there's still quite a bit of room to run for Aster. It's only at around a$2 billion market cap, whereas hype is upwards of 11, 12, 13, somewhere in there, I think. And if we're going to compare the same, I think that Aster could keep going for a while. But again, it's very new. So be prepared. If this is something you want to get into, it's something you're going to have to be glued to.

16:33You're going to have to be watching it on the regular, keep the chart open all the time and just know that you know, it could, it could turn on a dime basically. So, um, and just because it's at 2 billion now, it doesn't mean that it's going to be at hyperliquids market cap in a week from now either. We don't, we don't know that. So, uh, but we can tell, like I said, just from the, just from that, uh, chart, I was looking at a second ago that it clearly is eating hyperliquids lunch at the moment, you know? Um, but that's just, again, that's, that's new, that's enthusiasm and, uh, it remains to be seen how long that lasts.

17:06So, so yeah, but it's interesting. It's fun to watch yeah like you said i think we kind of have to see where this all settles when when everything is said and done and and astor's had a few months if you will of uh of time there but i do think it is i don't think it's going to flip hype um i think hype is too strong i think hype has been too organic of a of a thing had that fair launch right don't know if i can say the same for astor i have to do a little more research into that but i do think uh right now the the upside on Aster compared to how much further down the market cap it is compared to hype is a good high risk, high reward type of play there.

17:47Do you feel like you missed hype? Well, you have another opportunity potentially here. Yeah, I would agree with that. And I don't think it's necessarily too late on Aster. I mean, clearly you sort of missed getting down here at the 60, 70 cent level, but like even at$2,$2.36 where it is now, like you said, I still think it has a decent amount of room to go. Um, and, and so, yeah. And, and, and like you said, it's, it's, it's going to, it's got more upside in the short term than obviously hype does. Uh, even though I still think hype has quite a bit of upside to go, uh, for sure. But, um, if you know, there's a gap there that you can catch up with on the, on the hype, I'm sorry, on the Astor side.

18:25So, so yeah, for sure. Absolutely. So speaking of hype, Shirag on the RV website wants us to take a look, more in-depth look at hype. Chris, what level of downside on hype would get you worried? Well, let's look at the hype chart here first, because the hype chart actually still looks really strong. I mean, yeah, it's had a bit of a, you know, a correction at the moment, but even just like zooming out on the weekly timeframe, hype is still one of the better looking, better looking weekly charts there. I mean, in the space, honestly, it kind of came down and touched its, barely touched its 20 week moving average.

19:03But what I love here is the volume. The volume is still continuing to trend up, you know, at a nice rate on the weekly level. And even just last week, it's funny, it was just last week it put in a new all-time high. So it's not even like hype is doing poorly, you know, because we know a lot of stuff through the month of August. Like if you go back and look at Bitcoin, it's been on a downtrend through the entire month of August, whereas Hyperliquid literally put in a new all time high just last week. So it's not like the market is fading hype by any stretch. You know, it's it's it's it's doing really well, objectively.

19:34So if I were to say there was a level where I'd get worried, it would probably be this, you know, like the 39, 40 cent level where I have this basically support line drawn right now that's kind of reflective of this horizontal range that we saw. So I would say if it lost the 40 cent level and started closing below that, that would give me pause. That would give me concern. But even still, hype is just so strong. They just make so much money and they use it to buy back the token, which is going to create constant buying pressure. And it's just like it's almost I just don't see that happening. You know, I really don't.

20:12um so so yeah but again if there was a level i would say the 40 cent level uh is where it would i would start to i guess look a little closer and and maybe decide if i wanted to cut it or not but at the moment i'm not really worried about it fantastic all right let's take this question from jc on x chris do we see any bottom signals on deep uh jc very you must be lurking in our discord because that is a topic of definite conversation, a little bit of anxiety and stress as well as quite a few of us have deep and are wondering when it's going to do something. Well, in fact, we do. In fact, we have quite a strong buy signal here.

21:00So I'll kind of zoom in on this and try to decipher what we're looking at here. But we've got three different indications here. We've got, first of all, a reversal signal. Let me see if I can kind of filter some of these. We've got a reversal signal to start right here. So this is actually, this is better than just like a bullish divergence kind of signal. This is saying, you know, this is the bottom kind of thing. So we've got that. And then on top of that, we've got a, what is it? I got too many indicators. We've got basically a buy signal. We've got strong bullish divergence signal. We've got this up thrust arrow.

21:35So I've got like three or four different indicators here signaling a bottom reversal by the bottom is in type signal on deep at the moment. Now, of course, these are just indicators. Anything can happen. But the good thing is there's confluence here. There's multiple indicators from independent sources all signaling that there's seller exhaustion. There's momentum shifting back to the upside. There's sort of a reversal happening. So when you see that from multiple signals, I see that's a pretty strong signal. So hopefully it plays out that way. But I like what I'm seeing there with Deep for sure.

22:09And this is on a daily timeframe. So it's generally a pretty strong signal. Fantastic. All right. There's some hope for those of you that are holding Deep. Yeah. Okay. So this one comes from Pierre on RV website. We talked about this coin a little bit on Monday. What do you think about punk strategy? That's an interesting one. I haven't looked at the price since Monday. I don't remember. What was... Bijan, do you remember the symbol for it? It's P-N-K-S-T-R. Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah, I've been a little out of the loop this week, but let's take a look at this one. And I kind of got it going on the hourly on this one too.

22:54Or hold on.

23:01Okay. I'm really curious about the upside potential with this one. I like what they're doing. It's a super novel approach. I don't exactly, I'm not super familiar with how the, kind of the tokenomics work or what's going to ultimately drive it up other than just, I know they're, you know, they buy the punks, they turn around, resell them. They take the profits and they use it to buy back the, buy the token with. Clearly that's working. Clearly it's creating upside buy pressure. It's interesting to see that the volume is starting to wane a little bit. So I'm curious to see how this is going to ultimately play out.

23:37But it's a very novel strategy. It's very new. We haven't really seen anything like it, you know, with NFTs like this, with Punks especially. But also, you know, again, it's only, what is it, a week or two old. So it's still early days. I kind of said this on Monday. It's a little bit too early to know ultimately how it's going to play out. But I do like what I'm seeing. I do like the fact that it's generally pretty organic looking price action. There's not a lot of wild swings. There's not a lot of huge wicks. Um, so it's, it's interesting, but I think it's, it's definitely worth paying attention to, um, probably worth taking a, taking a punt on, honestly.

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24:11Uh, I'm not personally invested in it, but, uh, I, I do, I do like what I'm seeing as far as the price action. But again, just know that because it's so new, it's, it's going to be hard to sort of derive a lot of insight just from the technicals alone, because you can't really do much with hourly candles over the span of a week and a half, you know? So we need like weeks of price action to really get a sense from a technical standpoint what it looks like. But again, I do like what I'm seeing. I think and I think it's novel and I think it's worth looking at for sure. Yeah, I think part of that novelty is also what's helping them, right?

24:45People that see it haven't heard of this concept before kind of are buying into that whole like NFT fund adjacent type of play there. That's what punk strategy kind of answers. So I think the novelty is nice for now, but I will be curious to see what this coin is looking like a month from now, kind of once that novelty is worn off. So that's a good point. Yeah, I can't help but wonder too, if we're going to see competitors doing this with whatever, with Fidenzas or Bored Apes or something like that too. It'll be interesting to see if we see more of these pop up because of its success. Absolutely.

25:23I can totally see one popping up that focuses, you know, like on pure art, right? You know, like you said, the Fidenzas, the, you know, the Squiggles, the, you know, the Beeple's and fuck renders of the world that are buying and reselling that or just holding it in a vault and tying it to that coin. I can absolutely see that happening. It could be interesting, too, just for the NFT market itself. You know, it could kind of revitalize some of these projects and, you know, get attention back onto them and, you know, turn the NFT market back around, too. So it'll be curious to see how that influences as well.

25:57Yes. Oh, yes. That's a great point. OK, so Roland has a question here. And I think this is a good question, especially for people that might be new in the cycle and might have come in, you know, kind of at the top and are kind of maybe still underwater or waiting to at least get back to break even. And when we speak about possible three to five Xs, are we counting from this current price or from more depth? What are your thoughts on that, Chris? And this could go for, you know, any, it doesn't have to go for, you know, Aster or what are the coins that we just talked about? Let's go for anything pretty much like, you know, maybe a Solana, an XRP.

26:36Throw those into the mix as well. Hold on. Let me, let's kind of look at the chart. It's funny. That's a good question. I would say, well, I mean, you can do it either way. You know, I get, it depends. Like, obviously it's easier to call a three to five X from the low, you know, or from the April low, for example. But like, I don't know. And it's going to be different for every token or coin or whatever. Like looking at Bitcoin here, obviously I don't think I see a three to five X in play. I mean, sure. Again, anything's possible, but from where we are right now at this current level, probably a 2x at most is just off the top of my head.

27:24Now, obviously, if we go down to the April lows at 74, maybe we're looking at a 3x from there. So I don't know if that answers your question. I mean, again, it's however you want to look at it. Do we have a 3 to 5x from here? On some tokens, yes. on like on ETH, probably not, but maybe. But some of these other lower market cap ones like SWE, for example, it's much, much lower than say ETH. Yeah, sure. There's a potential three to five X there. Solana, probably not. Solana is already a very, very high market cap. That's like maybe a two to three X from here. But again, these are all just speculative off the top of my head.

28:01It really, I think that the way to look at it is to think about what its market cap is now because it's much, much easier to multiply something that is a$1 to$2 billion market cap than it is something that is a$100 plus billion market cap. It's that much more money that has to come into that project for it to do those multiples. And so that's sort of how you would answer that question to yourself. So there's plenty of projects that are down at the$1,$2,$3, even$5, even$10 billion market cap that have potentially a three to five X in left in the tank, even still today. But the higher ones, like, again, your Bitcoin, your Ethereum, your Solana, your XRPs, your Doge, you know, those aren't going to do those big multiples because they're already so high to begin with.

28:47Because it's going to take so much more money to kind of move the needle on that case. So that's, I think, probably the best way to look at that. Yeah, well said. I think to answer, to add to that, Roland, I think it also depends on where you are in the cycle, like Chris was saying, what you're holding. I personally think Solana does have a 3X in it. Maybe that's more opium than anything, right? But I definitely, listen, we better have a 3 to 5X left in the 10X. So should hype and deep and all of these other coins that we often talk about. spx uh feels like it has like a five to ten x left in the tank on there absolutely or more you know right so yeah i think it's not every coin right um but definitely there are a few strong ones that we often talk about that absolutely have that left in the tank um all right chris we're coming up on time here but i want to take this final question uh from emmanuel on the rv platform for dry powder deployment.

29:53What is your favorite medium risk, medium reward coin right now? Is it hype, SWE? Is there something else that, I know we like the FINA and we were looking at Monday. What would you say for right now? If you had to pick one medium risk, medium reward coin for dry powder, what would you put it in? I would say hype is in that conversation. I would say, again, like you said, Athena is in that conversation.

30:28Honestly, not Pengu. I think Pengu is legit in that conversation. I know it's a meme coin, but we know it is a meme coin, but it's not. It's very much a global brand. You're investing in far more than just a meme coin, and they're doing some really innovative stuff, and they're only getting bigger. And so I think the risk is actually pretty low with Pengu. And I do think that it's got a pretty decent amount of upsides. So, I mean, yeah, those are the first few that kind of roll off the tongue. There's probably a dozen more. But, yeah, I think that look into those. And I think they're decent medium risk, medium reward plays.

31:08Yeah, well said. I love that you said that because literally just yesterday after our show on Monday, where you you called you called out if you're holding fart coin and even with I extrapolated that to whip as well. What are you doing? Get out of it. Right. Right. And I did. I did just that finally. And I put it all into Pengu. So I feel I feel very good about that. I love that you shouted that one out. Yeah, it's not a meme coin. It's a brand coin has a community behind it has utility behind it. They have products behind them. Great shout out there. All right. Not just like not just like products that you buy at some little online.

31:46I mean, they have stuff at, you know, Walmart and Target and like like big, big national retail chains like they're a you know, it's it's a legitimate brand. You know, it's not it's like it's not going anywhere. So. So, yeah, it's it's it's really interesting to see how well they've done, honestly. Yeah, only time will tell how well they'll do further down the line. Hopefully it's very well for us holding Pengu. All right, Chris, we're up on time here. I want to leave it, throw it to you for any, any last words or anything we should consider going into, uh, into the weekend before we come back on Monday show.

32:22I think just, you know, kind of like I always say, sit tight. There's an outside chance we do get one more leg down. I think don't worry about it if your favorite altcoins are right on the level where you're starting to panic and freak out a little bit. Don't panic sell, please. And just, you know, know that we've got all this, you know, the liquidity outlook is very positive. The macro outlook is positive. The seasonality outlook is positive. Like everything is like right on the line. And so we just, you know, kind of sit back and let it play out and don't get too antsy. Don't don't get chopped up, you know, just kind of let things be.

32:57So. So, yeah. Yeah. Well said. And if you are like I said at the beginning of the show, if you're not in our discord, come in because you can talk about this stuff. You can talk through it with other like minds and people in the same exact situation as you. Chances are if you have that question, someone in our discord has that question and they've already been discussing it and kind of. stress testing their ideas with others in the discord that either give them the pros or the cons of what they're about to do right we just saved somebody from swapping a whole bunch of bitcoin into something pretty degen so you know come into the discord hang out share your ideas we'd love to have you and again don't forget guys uh drinks with ral tonight at 6 p.m et he'll be sipping on some beverages so bring some of your own ask your questions and make sure you tune in and we'll see you guys next monday live on platform and discord for our live ta show until then don't fuck this up people have a great week you obviously enjoyed the episode because you're here with me at the end but listen don't forget to go to realvision.com forward slash join and grab a free membership it's an incredible community packed with alpha great investment ideas and the research that you need to help you unfuck your future.

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