Love and Sacrifice

25 Jun 2026 · 37 min · 18 chapters

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In short

The episode explains how the U.S. created the Freedmen’s Bureau (under the Department of War) after the Civil War to help displaced people and establish order, including legal aid and primary schools. It corrects the claim that the Bureau only served formerly enslaved people: it also supported poor white Southerners. A key example is the call for teachers in summer 1865 and the “Freedmen’s Record” requirements emphasizing health and “cheerfulness.” The episode then centers on two young women whose letters reveal Reconstruction-era life: Rebecca Primus, a free Black woman from a middle-class New England family, and Addie Brown, a free Black domestic worker from Philadelphia who became a seamstress. Rebecca teaches in Maryland (Baltimore, then Royal Oak) despite taunts and threats; Addie’s work is precarious and she witnesses violence.

Guests

Ashley C. Ford (storytelling/memoir author) and Farrah Jasmine Griffin (Columbia professor; edited the letters).

Key claims

Black people wrote Reconstruction history through letters; literacy education was treated as revolutionary; Addie’s letters were preserved by Rebecca, who kept them for decades.

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Introduction to the Freedmen's Bureau

0:00 to 2:30

Learn about the establishment and purpose of the Freedmen's Bureau post-Civil War.

“wants to do something to help those displaced or impoverished by the war, to start creating some order from the chaos in the South.”

The Stories of Teachers and Their Impact

2:30 to 4:50

Discover the recruitment of teachers by the Freedmen's Bureau and one teacher's story.

“we kept coming back to the question of why we know so little about Reconstruction.”

The Lives of Rebecca Primus and Addie Brown

4:50 to 7:50

Explore the backgrounds and correspondence between Rebecca and Addie during Reconstruction.

“a book about womanhood and self-discovery.”

Addie's Life and Struggles

7:50 to 10:50

Understand Addie's challenges as a domestic worker and her connection to the Primus family.

“And that while we didn't have very much information about 19th century women, period, we certainly didn't have information about 19th century working class women who had been a domestic.”

Rebecca's Departure and New Experiences

10:50 to 14:00

Learn about Rebecca's journey south to teach and her initial impressions of Baltimore.

“Addie was born in 1841 in Philadelphia as a free person.”

Rebecca's Arrival in Baltimore

14:00 to 15:08

Learn about Rebecca's experiences and the diverse community she encountered in Baltimore.

“Please excuse hasty writing and all mistakes.”

Rebecca's Teaching Journey

17:47 to 19:57

Explore Rebecca's dedication to teaching at the Freedman School and the challenges she faced.

“Black women were encouraged to work and become educated.”

Challenges and Violence in Education

19:57 to 22:20

Understand the violence and challenges faced by teachers and students in the South.

“White supremacists and local residents regularly taunted students, vandalized the Friedman schools, or worse.”

Addie's Struggles and Economic Precarity

22:20 to 24:29

Learn about Addie's life as a seamstress and the economic challenges she faced.

“As Rebecca was adjusting to life below the Mason-Dixon line, conditions for Addie were improving.”

Letters Between Addie and Rebecca

24:29 to 27:24

Dive into the intimate letters exchanged between Addie and Rebecca, revealing their deep bond.

“To my only dear and loving friend, Rebecca, I want to tell you one thing.”
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Letters Between Addie and Rebecca

28:28 to 29:40

Dive into the intimate letters exchanged between Addie and Rebecca, revealing their deep bond.

“We're almost halfway through the year, and I'll be honest, I've had stretches where I'm running on empty without fully realizing it.”

Addie's Short-Lived Careers

29:49 to 30:56

Explore Addie's experiences and challenges in her early jobs.

“Availability and coverage vary by state insurance plan.”

Addie's Letters and Affection

30:56 to 31:53

Examine the emotional depth in Addie's letters to her beloved Rebecca.

“I wish that we could sleep together this winter.”

Complex Relationships

31:53 to 33:09

Discuss the romantic and platonic nuances in Addie and Rebecca's relationship.

“We have two women who don't have the kind of contemporary categories of sexuality to define themselves.”

Addie's Life and Legacy

33:09 to 35:39

Reflect on Addie's life, her marriage, and the impact of her letters.

“Because Addie's letters are, one, they're passionate and they're, but they also have the movement.”

The Value of Letters

35:39 to 37:30

Learn about the significance of Addie's letters in understanding Black women's experiences.

“which many, many Black people were taken from us with that horrible disease, especially poor Black people, working-class Black people.”

Heading to the Deep South

37:30 to 37:56

Prepare to explore the establishment of schools in the Deep South during Reconstruction.

“In our next chapter, we head to the Deep South, where even more schools were being established to educate people newly freed from slavery.”

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37:56 to 39:12

Discover the storytelling and historical explorations in The Broadside.

“We'll hear how an unlikely group of men came together, fired up by the promise of Reconstruction.”
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0:08Ashley C. Ford:The United States.

0:30Ashley C. Ford:wants to do something to help those displaced or impoverished by the war, to start creating some order from the chaos in the South. Because you couldn't simply conclude a war, declare slavery over, and tell people to move on. They needed help getting started in a new world. So Northern lawmakers establish the Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen, and Abandoned Lands. And President Lincoln puts it under the Department of War. The agency quickly becomes known as the Freedmen's Bureau, which implies that it only existed to help the formerly enslaved. That is not strictly true. The Bureau also offered aid to poor whites in the South.

1:14Ashley C. Ford:There was so much to do and so many people in need. The agency offered legal support and also helped to establish primary schools. The goal was to educate those who had until recently been forbidden to learn how to read and write. These schools desperately needed teachers. And so, starting in the summer of 1865, the Freedmen's Bureau put out a call. Its publication, called the Freedmen's Record, detailed strenuous requirements for applicants. In the first place, it began, health is requisite. Not merely on account of any supposed disadvantages of the climate, but to ensure energy, cheerfulness, and courage for the work.

1:59Ashley C. Ford:They got thousands of applicants from the North. We don't know many of their stories, but here we want to slow down just a little and hear the story of one of those teachers who applied. A free Black woman born in the North. We'll hear her story mostly through the words of someone she left behind. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, and this is Reconstruction, the Unfinished Promise.

2:30Ashley C. Ford:When I spoke with President Barack Obama, we kept coming back to the question of why we know so little about Reconstruction. There's no single story that sums up Reconstruction, And you can't tell this history only through the actions of so-called great men. There are figures that, because they hold political office, because they are men, because they are white, because they are titans of industry, because they hold traditional stations that we understand have power, we think of them as the history makers, right? And you have all these people who may not have occupied formal positions of power

3:19Farah Jasmine Griffin:who entirely bend the course of our history and our collective understanding in powerful ways and the course of our narrative.

3:31Ashley C. Ford:Black people were writing the story of Reconstruction all along. It's just that their stories weren't being published in newspapers or books. Those people were writing their stories to one another, most often through letters. What follows is an intimate story of two young women from very different backgrounds.

3:55Ashley C. Ford:Neither was famous, but their letters to one another reveal something crucial about the country during Reconstruction. It was a time in which so many Americans, so many Black Americans in particular, were searching. Rebecca Primus was a young teacher from a close-knit middle-class family in New England. Addie Brown was a domestic worker who was essentially orphaned at a young age in Philadelphia. Their lives intersected in Hartford, Connecticut around the time of the Civil War. We have only one side of their correspondence, Addie's letters to Rebecca, because Rebecca kept them carefully preserved until her death.

4:36Ashley C. Ford:When we were looking for someone to bring this story to life, the first person who sprang to mind was the writer and podcast host Ashley C. Ford. Ashley is the author of the best-selling memoir, Somebody's Daughter, a book about womanhood and self-discovery. Ashley brings us the story of Rebecca and Addie with the help of the scholar who edited a collection of their letters.

5:06Farah Jasmine Griffin:Why do you think Rebecca held on to Addie's letters for so long, more than 60 years? I think she preserved Addie's letters because she loved her deeply. And I think that she liked the Rebecca that she saw reflected in Addie's letters. it gives us a very valuable window into the intimate nature of that relationship that we would not otherwise have. Farrah Jasmine Griffin is a professor of African-American literature at Columbia University and the school's inaugural chair of African-American studies. She edited a book of Addie's letters to Rebecca and Rebecca's letters to her own family. So Rebecca Primus was the daughter of a somewhat prominent family, Black Hartford family, the Primus family.

6:04They were a family devoted to service, a family devoted to the Black, very small Black community.

6:12Farah Jasmine Griffin:So she would have been brought up with a sense of purpose and mission. During Reconstruction, Hartford was a small manufacturing town, a city less overwhelming than New York or Boston, and perhaps a place where a young woman like Rebecca might dream of a world beyond the safety of her childhood home. Reconstruction offered her an opportunity to pursue those dreams. When Rebecca heard that the Bureau was looking for educators, she applied to go and teach formerly enslaved people.

6:51Farah Jasmine Griffin:While Rebecca set her eyes on a new southern horizon, her beloved friend Addie faced a much different reality. In the early years of Reconstruction, Black life for women like Addie in the North was not entirely different from Black life in the southern states. Rampant discrimination and violence were pervasive in both parts of the country. Still, I imagine Addie, like Rebecca, dreamt of new possibilities in a country where Black people were poised to gain new rights. We're not really sure how she comes into Rebecca's circuit. It seems that she may have migrated somehow to Hartford. She might have boarded with Rebecca's family because her family took people in.

7:44Farah Jasmine Griffin:Addie lived as a kind of live-in domestic throughout New England and in New York. And that while we didn't have very much information about 19th century women, period, we certainly didn't have information about 19th century working class women who had been a domestic. Addie must have come to Hartford as a teenager. not long before the Civil War began. Records show that at some point she lived and worked in the Primus household. Late in the night, Addie would visit Rebecca. Even while living under the same roof, the two girls passed letters back and forth. The correspondence between 19th century women tend to be very romantic and very open in expressing their love for each other.

8:36Ashley C. Ford:my own truly loved sister dear rebecca i don't know how it is i feel nearer to you now than never before although you have always been very very dear to me since i have been here i have enjoyed your society very much so much so i hate to have you away from me one moment from your darling little sister. It is goodbye, Addie.

9:08Farah Jasmine Griffin:I read through the letters and just, you know, held them in my hand. And, you know, they were hard to read because, you know, they were preserving every bit of paper and writing along the sides and everything.

9:25Farah Jasmine Griffin:As Malcolm mentioned early on, we only have the set of letters written by Addie to Rebecca. Remember, Rebecca's letters to Addie have not been discovered. Still, what remains is a reminder to us all. These women existed, documenting some of the region's most noteworthy historical events, from presidential speaking engagements to the presence of the United States Colored Troops. The letters have been edited for brevity and clarity.

9:58Ashley C. Ford:My dear sister, I hear President Johnson expects to be in Hartford on the 26th. I suppose his friends will make a great time over him. I wish some of them would present him with a bullet through his head. The 29th Regiment expected home tomorrow in the city of Hartford. On our way home, we visited the Samuel Coles Willow factory. I was very much pleased with the work. I will offer to come to a close, for my head aches me quite bad. As ever, adopted sister Addie.

10:38Farah Jasmine Griffin:She was often very ill. There was a kind of insecurity around her health and her economic circumstances, which were very similar to those of people of her class. Addie was born in 1841 in Philadelphia as a free person. Her father died when she was a child, and her mother abandoned her to remarry. From a young age, she had no choice but to work as a servant. 90 % of Black women cooked, cleaned, washed, and tended to other women's children to earn some sort of living. The Primuses were a well-respected family who ran a boarding house for African Americans. Their home was essentially a precursor to the agencies that provide social services now.

11:29Farah Jasmine Griffin:In the Hartford Current, a daily newspaper that still exists today, Rebecca's father was featured as one of the most dignified of men. Colored men, to be exact. Rebecca's mother, an entrepreneur and dressmaker, had a similar reputation. Their skills were highly sought after by a number of the aristocratic families throughout Connecticut. Addie tried her best to live up to the standards of the Primus family. She attended the same church and social gatherings as the Primuses, looking to them for work opportunities, a compassionate ear, a few dollars, or even a loaf of bread. Addie was part of their circle.

12:12Ashley C. Ford:My dear Everfriend, I'm very obliged to you for that skirt. In what way can I ever repay you for your kindness?

12:23Farah Jasmine Griffin:Rebecca had considered leaving Hartford on many occasions. When the Freedmen's Bureau offered her the job, she took it. She collected her things, said her goodbyes, and made her way south to teach the newly freed men, women, and children. Rebecca's departure left Addie especially heartbroken, devastated really. Her beloved sister friend would be hundreds of miles away. The following letter from Addie was dated within weeks of Rebecca's arrival to Baltimore, where she was first stationed as a teacher. It's clear that Addie was not handling the separation well.

13:01Ashley C. Ford:My dearest sister, I am greatly disappointed not hearing from you today. You have been so kind to write me every week since your absence until this week. I went to the post office this evening hoping to receive a letter. I cannot express my feelings when told there was none from me. I'm getting sleepy, so I must close hoping to hear from you tomorrow. Good night.

13:27Farah Jasmine Griffin:Without Rebecca's responses, it's hard to know how she felt about leaving Addie in the North. But we do know that she encounters a more vibrant world than what she left behind in Hartford. Rebecca sent this letter to her parents upon her arrival. Baltimore, November 8th, 1865. My dear parents and sister, it is beautiful here today and quite mild. and I guess I have already seen almost as many colored people as there are in the whole of Hartford. Please excuse hasty writing and all mistakes. I had to stop to eat my dinner. Rebecca. Baltimore has a very large free black population and so Rebecca would have encountered all kinds of black people when she gets to Baltimore.

14:21Farah Jasmine Griffin:It's similar to when people first arrive in Harlem in the Harlem Renaissance, and they're just overwhelmed with the sheer numbers of Black people, the diversity of Black people. We see her eyes being opened and a sense of awareness that she's part of a community that is much more heterogeneous than she had been aware of when she was in Hartford, and that, in fact, it might be more complex sense of Blackness than what she is used to in her small, protected New England society.

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17:46Farah Jasmine Griffin:While most white women at the time were encouraged to keep home and tend to their family's needs, Black women were encouraged to work and become educated. Their success would aid in the betterment of the race, what scholars of the past called racial uplift. Rebecca was convinced of this as well. What can you tell us about the Freedman School and what it was like for Rebecca to be a teacher? The Friedman School was an institution, a vibrant institution that was bringing this thing that had been denied, this thing that was so prized, so prized, that being able to read and write was a foundational skill that they needed to move forward.

18:39Farah Jasmine Griffin:Like, how do I read this deed? How do I do this? How do I write that? Those were all things. They were communal things. Rebecca was barely able to get settled in Baltimore before she was transferred to another school some 60 miles away in Royal Oak, Maryland. So Royal Oak, Maryland is a rural community that's outside of Baltimore. It's on the eastern shore. It is very much unlike Baltimore. And this is where she will teach, where she will found her school, the community that she will become a part of. It probably fits more like her sense of what Southern Black life was like to the extent that she had one.

19:27These are people who really had been enslaved. They're still people who are devoted to the Confederacy there.

19:35Farah Jasmine Griffin:She's going to encounter former Confederates. Rebecca devoted her entire being to serving her students, or as she called them, her children. At the Friedman School, she taught children by day and adults at night. At times, upwards of 50 students in one classroom. People knew the power of literacy, that it had to be powerful for them to pass laws and for them to brutalize people. White supremacists and local residents regularly taunted students, vandalized the Friedman schools, or worse. So Rebecca's school didn't get attacked, but the schools of some of the teachers she knew and went down there with were being challenged and threatened.

20:26Farah Jasmine Griffin:Those teachers were being harassed and sometimes the schools were being burned. So that just underscored for them the power of what they were doing, that this was a revolutionary act. April 7, 1866. I received a letter from Miss Dixon at Trap Tuesday. She has 74 schools, and until the last month, everything has gone on quietly. And while now she's stoned by white children and repeatedly subjected to insults from white men in passing, they have brushed by her so rudely, she says, as to almost dislocate her shoulders. She says she tries to bear it patiently. I feel sorry for her. Her position is truly an unenviable one.

21:21Farah Jasmine Griffin:Both Rebecca and Addie witnessed firsthand other forms of violence. I forgot to tell you in my last letter of a murder that occurred at Easton last Sunday night. It seems a very respectable colored man who resided with his family there was on his way to church, and en route he was shot by a white rascal so that he fell a dead man immediately. The villain made his escape and has not yet been caught. He is said to be skulking about in the woods and sustained by his secesh sympathizers. By secesh, Rebecca was referring to the secessionists or Confederate sympathizers. She continues. There are some very lawless fellows in these towns and there is nothing too bad for them to do to a colored person.

22:14Farah Jasmine Griffin:I trust something like justice will be given to the black man one of these days. for some are persecuted almost as badly now as in the days of slavery. As Rebecca was adjusting to life below the Mason-Dixon line, conditions for Addie were improving. She found new work as a seamstress making$19 per month, which is around$500 today. Addie would work for nearly 15 different employers in total, all throughout Connecticut and New York.

22:47Ashley C. Ford:My dear and adopted sister, I am not feeling well today. I have been lying down all the morning. For the past three or four days, I have the most excruciating pain in my back. I have been out sewing for two weeks. I guess sitting so steady is the cause of my pain.

23:11Farah Jasmine Griffin:The tragedy of Addie's life is the economic precarity of it. you know, that she's living day to day from job to job to job. So the skill of being a seamstress actually brought you much more economic security than domestics had. So the ones who were like Addie who were in service, if you were fortunate, you could have a long term job with a family or something. Addie is much more itinerant than that. She's competing with white immigrants, mostly Irish immigrants. So it's a much more precarious situation. It's a day-to-day. And we get that in her letters. The Freedmen's Bureau picked certain kinds of people to go teach in their schools in the South.

24:01Farah Jasmine Griffin:And Rebecca fit the mold. Northern-born, check. Middle-class, check. Single and childless, check and check. Addie would likely not have qualified. Their lives traveled down very different paths. But the two continued to write despite their busy schedules. And Rebecca's mother would often say, if one of them were a man, they would have married each other. They were that close.

24:32Ashley C. Ford:To my only dear and loving friend, Rebecca, I want to tell you one thing. That is, if I went without eating for two or three days, and then a person was to bring me something to eat, and a letter from you, and they say that I was only to have one or the other, I would take the letter, and that would be enough food for me.

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24:58Oh, Addie.

25:00Farah Jasmine Griffin:So beautiful. When you read Addie and Rebecca's letters very closely, it is clear that at some point in their relationship that these are indeed love letters.

25:13Ashley C. Ford:Oh dear, I am so lonesome I barely know how to contain myself. If I was only near you and having one of those sweet kisses. Saying how much she loves Rebecca. I wish I was near you in my head reclining on your dear bosom. It is useless to wish that, my love. We have Addie saying how much she misses Rebecca. Oh my dear friend, how did I miss you last night? I did not have anyone to hug me and to kiss.

25:41Farah Jasmine Griffin:Addie is filling her in on everything that happens, on all the social life, on all the gossip, on you name it. She's filling her in on all of those things. The massive banquet came up very nicely.

25:52Ashley C. Ford:Quite a number of people attended and several strangers was there. Mrs. Knott was there and was dancing all the time. I saw her that afternoon and she told me that she was not going to dance. Did I tell you in my last that Anne Freeman expect to be married to Justin Francis soon? That's what Madam Rumor says. Now, my dear, I must go and take a bath.

26:21Farah Jasmine Griffin:There are very kind of erotic things that she's reporting. She's reporting how much she misses physical encounters with Rebecca. She's reporting things that you almost think are meant to make Rebecca a little jealous.

26:38Ashley C. Ford:Rebecca, don't you think I'm foolish? I don't want anyone to kiss me now. I turned Mr. Games away this morning. No kisses is like yours.

26:48Farah Jasmine Griffin:When she's working at a school where some of the other servants are actually Irish women, she says, this one wants to see my bosom, but I'm saving that for you. Things like that. One letter is very funny. She says she keeps trying to, you know, sleep close to me and snuggle with me. The girls are very friendly towards me.

27:09Ashley C. Ford:I'm either in their room or they in mine. One of them wants to sleep with me. I am not very fond of white, I can assure you.

27:20Farah Jasmine Griffin:But don't worry, I don't like white women or something like that, you know. It's so fascinating.

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29:53Farah Jasmine Griffin:Addie's job as a seamstress was short-lived. Her next gig involved caretaking for the family of a professor at Trinity College. He paid Addie$2 per week, much less than many of her other jobs. This job doesn't last for long either. Addie wrote that she found it demeaning to appear in public as the caregiver of a white child.

30:17Ashley C. Ford:Do you know that I have five pairs of stairs to go up 20 times and sometimes more? There is 107 steps. When it is time for me to go to my bed, my limbs ache like a toothache.

30:35Farah Jasmine Griffin:I'd like to read an excerpt from another one of Addie's letters. In this one, she uses a pet named Stella. Can I read it to you? Yes, please do. My dear, I dreamt of you last night. I don't sleep good. I'm so cold. I miss you very much. And also your feather bed. I took a hot iron up to bed and warmed the bed all over. Jumped right into it. I kept a little warm by that means. I wish that we could sleep together this winter. I would like it very much. Would you not, Stella? What do you make of the pet names? Addie referring to Rebecca as Stella. Addie also refers to herself as Arthenia. I bet you they're literary, you know, because they don't sound like the kind of pet names that Addie would have made up.

31:26Farah Jasmine Griffin:I think that they're alluding to something. They might be alluding to something that they'd read together, you know, because they were reading books together. They were reading poems together. They were reading stories together. She's so expressive about her love for Rebecca and her longing for her, you know, like meat to a hungry wolf sometimes is one of her phrases. We have two women who don't have the kind of contemporary categories of sexuality to define themselves. But clearly, Addie is in love with Rebecca. They have a romantic, emotional, and erotic relationship with each other. At the same time, they are writing each other about the men they are courting.

32:18Ashley C. Ford:Dear Rebecca, you asked me if I correspond with Fred. No, I do not for this reason. His letter is always about one thing. Nothing interesting, so I have not got any three cents to spare.

32:38Farah Jasmine Griffin:Addie Brown and Rebecca Primus exchanged letters for about 10 years. It's incredible to know that Addie's story might have been lost to history if it hadn't been for Rebecca. She held on to more than 100 letters and poems for several decades. Sometimes it'll be years and I won't hear anything. And then sometimes people will write me and tell me a group of people did a dramatic reading of Addie's letters. or something. It's always Addie's letters, you know? Yeah. Because Addie's letters are, one, they're passionate and they're, but they also have the movement. You know, Rebecca is in Royal Oak, but Addie's letters move.

33:20They travel because she travels.

33:23Farah Jasmine Griffin:And so it's not surprising that she generates a lot of excitement.

33:32Farah Jasmine Griffin:The Freedmen's schools lost funding in Royal Oak in 1869, after only four years. By this time, Rebecca had raised funds to build her own school, the Primus Institute. It's notable that Rebecca never invited Addie to visit her in Maryland, despite Addie asking repeatedly to come see her. We don't know why. Perhaps Rebecca felt the separation was easier if it was absolute. But it does appear to have taken a toll on Addie. Eventually, Addie reluctantly chose to marry a man she had known since childhood in Philadelphia, Mr. Joseph Tynes.

34:15Ashley C. Ford:Dear sister, I am very much delighted to hear that you say you like Mr. Tynes if I should marry him. I hope to have some pleasure and comfort. I would like to hear, will you tell me who is Emily?

34:32Farah Jasmine Griffin:Only Addie could announce her pending nuptials in one line and then question Rebecca's friendship with another woman in the next phrase. After her marriage, Addie continued to write to Rebecca at least once a month. Her last note to Rebecca was suddenly cryptic.

34:52Ashley C. Ford:10 a.m. this morning. Dear sister, they tell me seek and ye shall find. Is that true? No more this time. Your darling little sister Addie.

35:05Farah Jasmine Griffin:Although there's no date, the note was written in 1868, the same year Addie got married. There's one more remnant found in Rebecca's possession. On the back of an envelope, Rebecca has written in pencil, Addie died at her residence, Philadelphia, the 7th of January, 1870, at 11 o 'clock a.m. Addie Brown was 28 years young when she died. And she will pass away of consumption, tuberculosis, which many, many Black people were taken from us with that horrible disease, especially poor Black people, working-class Black people.

35:56Farah Jasmine Griffin:Addie's letters teach us so much about friendship and intimacy between women. And I think, really, they are rare because they're two women between two different class backgrounds. And because they aren't written for public consumption, they aren't censored. the other thing that I've learned from them is the important role of friendship as a kind of a vessel for maintaining a sense of one's dignity and oneself in a world where everywhere else is saying that you are of little value oh say more about that that black women are of little value You know, that you are a beast of burden, that that's all you are.

36:51Farah Jasmine Griffin:And in these letters, you are clearly a person with an intellect. You're a person with a spirit. You're a person with the capacity to grow. You're a person with a sense of interiority. You're a person with a relationship to the divine. You're all those things that I recognize you as being that. If the world doesn't recognize you, I recognize you. I see you in that way. It's absolute necessity, I think, in the lives of Black women, because they aren't getting it anywhere else. Right. And Addie and Rebecca teach us that. Addie certainly teaches us that.

37:46Ashley C. Ford:In our next chapter, we head to the Deep South, where even more schools were being established to educate people newly freed from slavery. We'll hear how an unlikely group of men came together, fired up by the promise of Reconstruction. It gives me pride to know that against irreparable odds, those nine black men with the aid of black women seceded in starting this school

38:16Farah Jasmine Griffin:and seeing it survive and go through tremendous turmoil.

38:41Ashley C. Ford:On the broad side, we take you into the heart of the South with stories that'll surprise you.

38:47Farah Jasmine Griffin:Bigfoot apparently loves glow sticks.

38:49Ashley C. Ford:He likes to party, I guess. Exactly, exactly. He's a raver. And topics that dig into the muddy margins of history. Right, the good, the bad, the ugly.

38:58Farah Jasmine Griffin:It's not clean at all. It's so messy. Wait a second, this is actually real.

39:03Ashley C. Ford:Listen to The Broadside, one story every week, exploring the rich traditions of the South.

39:12Farah Jasmine Griffin:Right now, we are living through some of the most tumultuous political times our country has ever known. I'm David Remnick, and each week on the New Yorker Radio Hour, I'll try to make sense of what's happening, alongside politicians and thinkers like Cory Booker, Nancy Pelosi, Liz Cheney, Tim Waltz, Ketanji Brown-Jackson, Newt Gingrich, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Charlemagne Tha God, and so many more. That's all on the New Yorker Radio Hour, wherever you listen to podcasts.

From the publisher

In 1865, Rebecca Primus left the comfort of her Northern home to help establish a school in the South. She exchanged intimate, sometimes romantic letters with her friend Addie Brown. Their correspondence offers a window into a remarkable relationship. Writer Ashley C. Ford breaks down these letters with scholar Farah Jasmine Griffin, discovering how the letters illuminate Black life on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line.

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