In short
Gen Z is buying more in physical stores because they want human connection (“third place”), while retailers risk losing them by automating away frontline staff.
Guests
No guests mentioned; episode is hosted by Ron Thurston (solo).
Key claims
In 2025, 62% of purchases by ages 18–24 happened in physical stores, higher than shoppers 25+. Gen Z mall visits are often social (58% visit often/sometimes; 75% weekly; 42% cite social activity). Retail tech is increasingly “employee-free” (Forrester 2026 outlook), but replacing humans with automated checkout/fitting-room screens undermines what Gen Z came for.
Notable examples
smart/automated fitting rooms and AR can help (Shopify reports 250% higher conversion with 3D/AR), but stores that leave shoppers with “nothing” after automated experiences will be abandoned quickly.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Gen Z's Shopping Habits
0:45 to 1:12
Exploration of why Gen Z prefers physical retail over online shopping.
“Sociologists are calling this an epidemic of loneliness.”
The Importance of Connection
1:12 to 2:15
Discussion on Gen Z's motivation for shopping in stores as a quest for belonging.
“And the real question is, what are they finding when they get there?”
The Rise of Social Shopping
2:15 to 4:30
Insights into how Gen Z views shopping as a social activity, not just a purchase.
“But for Gen Z, it's increasingly the mall and specifically the store inside it that gives them a reason to stay.”
The Irony of Automation
4:30 to 7:14
Analyzing the conflict between Gen Z's desire for human interaction and increasing automation in retail.
“The irony is we're automating the exact thing they came for.”
Investing in People and Technology
7:14 to 12:38
Recommendations on how retailers can balance technology and human interaction to meet Gen Z's needs.
“The frontline worker isn't competing with AI.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00I'm Ron Thurston. This is Retail in America. Every episode, I'll bring you three human truths about retail, about technology, and the people caught in between. So let me get into what's happening today. Let me give you a number to start that should reframe every technology decision you make this year. 62%. That's the share of merchandise purchased by consumers age 18 to 24 that happened in physical stores in 2025. 62%. That's 10 percentage points higher than shoppers over the age of 25. The generation that grew up on Amazon and TikTok and same-day delivery is shopping in stores at a higher rate than every generation that came before them.
0:48And here's why. It's not the product. It's not the price. It's the connection. Sociologists are calling this an epidemic of loneliness. a post-pandemic hunger for physical interaction, and a community that a screen simply cannot satisfy. Gen Z isn't shopping. They're seeking belonging. They're walking into your stores to find it. And the real question is, what are they finding when they get there? So here are three human truths for today. Number one, Gen Z didn't come for the product, They came for the person. So the data from last year is indisputable. 58 % of Gen Z shoppers visit malls often or sometimes, which is higher than millennials at 48 % and boomers at 38%.
1:4075 % make in-store visits weekly and 42 % cite social activity as their primary reason for going. So let's go through that again. Nearly half of Gen Z's mall visits are primarily social. They're not on a mission to buy something. They're on a mission to be somewhere, to be around people, and to feel like they're part of something. Now, the ICSC calls this as the rise of the third place, a destination outside of home and work where community can happen. And for previous generations, that was maybe a church or a diner or even Starbucks for a while called themselves the third place. But for Gen Z, it's increasingly the mall and specifically the store inside it that gives them a reason to stay.
2:32So 30 % of Gen Z shoppers cite immediacy, getting items right now as the top reason for shopping in person. and 28 % value that tactile experience of handling products before they buy, touch and feel the product. But underneath both of those reasons is something that the data doesn't fully capture, the experience of being seen, of being helped by someone who knows what they're talking about, of a human interaction that feels like worth having. And to be honest about what this data it means to me personally. I've spent 30 years fighting for the idea that the frontline worker is the most important person in retail, the person standing in front of a customer.
3:18And for a long time, that argument maybe felt like it was losing. The narrative was relentless. Digital is the future. Automation is inevitable. Everybody's shopping online. The store is dying. And for a while a few years ago, the numbers seem to agree. But here's what's actually happening. The store wasn't dying. It was being starved. It was starved of investment, of training, of leadership attention. And when you starve something long enough, it starts to look like it's failing on its own terms. Now, Gen Z has walked back into the store and reminded us what it was always supposed to be, not a warehouse for picking up product, a place where human beings connect and where someone can help you find something you didn't even know you were looking for and tell you stories about the brand and where the experience of buying something as good is the thing itself.
4:19Now, this is not a new idea. It's actually the oldest idea in retail and the most human generation alive just voted for it with their feet. So let's go to human truth number two. The irony is we're automating the exact thing they came for. So here's where the story gets interesting. Because the exact moment Gen Z is choosing physical retail for human connection, the industry is accelerating its investment in removing humans from the experience. In Forrester's 2026 retail outlook, it describes a future of employee-free stores where technology handles routine transactions and human staff pivot to high-value consultative roles.
5:02Things like smart mirrors and AI assistance, location-based chatbots and automated checkout with RFID-enabled fitting rooms that suggest sizes without a single conversation. And look, some of this technology is genuinely useful. A fitting room that automatically recognizes what you've brought in and can request a different size, that's real improvement. A virtual try-on tool that reduces returns, smart investment. But there's a difference between technology that supports the human experience and technology that replaces it. And right now, too many retail strategies are really blurring that line.
5:41And the average dwell time in apparel stores reach 40 minutes in 2025. 40 minutes. It's an extraordinary amount of time for a consumer to spend in a single store. And what do you think they're doing during those 40 minutes? They're browsing, they're trying things on, they're talking to each other. And when they're lucky, they're talking to someone on your team who actually knows the product and cares about the outcome of the sale. And here's the question I want everyone to sit with. If 42 % of Gen Z's mall visits are primarily social, they came for the experience, for the connection, for the feeling of being somewhere that feels alive.
6:26What happens when they arrive? And the most human thing the store is, is a touchscreen. Now, I've walked into stores recently, as I'm sure you have, where the entire checkout experience has been automated. The fitting rooms have screens instead of staff. The only human I could find was someone stocking shelves with their headphones in. And I'm a retail professional. I've been visiting stores for decades. I know what I'm looking for. But imagine being 22 years old, coming in because you wanted to feel something and leaving because you felt nothing. That's not a technology failure. That's a strategy failure, a failure to understand why the customers showed up in the first place.
7:12And I write about this in Human Pride. The frontline worker isn't competing with AI. They're providing something AI fundamentally cannot. Their presence, their judgment, their warmth, their ability to read a customer's energy and respond to what they actually need, not just what they typed in a search bar. And Gen Z knows the difference. They grew up online. They can feel the absence of humanity in a retail environment more acutely than any generation before them. And they will leave and not come back faster than you think. And lastly today, human truth number three, the retailers winning with Gen Z invest in people and technology.
7:59So what does it look like when a retailer gets it right? When they use technology to enhance the human experience rather than replace it. The malls seeing the strongest recovery. Open air centers up 10 % in foot traffic. Indoor malls up 9.7%. Outlet centers up almost 11 % in a single month. And they all share a common characteristic. They've redesigned the physical environment around the experience of just being there, not the experience of buying something. And the most successful retailers inside those malls have made a similar choice. Maybe it's smart feeding rooms that reduce friction. Maybe it's AR tools that build product confidence.
8:44Technology that handles the transactional layer efficiently so the human layer can focus entirely on the relationship. Now, Shopify's data shows conversion rates soaring 250 % for products supported by 3D models and AR. Not because the technology replaced the human judgment, but because it resolves the customer's uncertainty fast enough that a conversation could actually happen. And that's the real model here. Technology clears the path. People build the relationship. and Gen Z, who came in craving connection, leaves having had it. And so here's the framework I want to offer for every retailer thinking about their Gen Z strategy.
9:31First, understand why they came in. They didn't come for your app. They didn't come for your loyalty points. They came because they were lonely. And your store looked like a place where something might actually happen. And this is an enormous opportunity. So don't waste it on a chatbot. And second, invest in the person who greets them, not just the script, not just their uniform, the actual human being, their product knowledge, their confidence, their ability to have a real conversation with a customer who's already done all their research online and is now standing in front of them because they wanted something the internet couldn't give them.
10:12And third, let technology do what technology does best. Handle the friction. Speed up the transaction. Surface the right size in the right color without a four-minute search. Free your frontline team from the tasks that don't require a human so they can be fully present for the ones that do. Gen Z is giving physical retail a second chance. And the retailers who understand that this chance is built on human connection, not human replacement. are the ones who will earn their loyalty. And Gen Z loyalty, once earned, is extraordinary. They don't just come back, they bring their entire community with them.
10:54Because 52 % of Gen Z shoppers are likely to share photos or videos of things they like online during a mall visit. Your frontline worker isn't just serving one customer, they're potentially influencing thousands. So here's the question I want you to carry into the week. When Gen Z walks into your store looking for that connection, what are they actually finding? A human being who's been trained and invested in and empowered to make them feel welcome or a frictionless, automated, but beautifully designed experience that sends them home feeling absolutely nothing because they will tell you which one they got on TikTok, on Instagram, to their entire network within minutes of leaving your store.
11:39The most human generation alive is handing physical retail its greatest opportunity in two decades. The only question is whether you're going to meet them with a person or a platform. Now I'm five solo episodes into a season that I think is telling one of the most important stories in retail right now. We talked about the investment gap and the turnover tax and the trust gap and we're in peak ambiguity. and now this, the generation that was supposed to kill the store, is the one saving it. And every one of these episodes points to the same conclusion. The human being on your front line is not a cost to be managed.
12:19There's strategy to be invested in. And the data I'm referencing from McKinsey, from Forrester, from YouGov, and from the foot traffic numbers coming out of malls across the country is saying the exact same thing from every direction. Invest in your people first. The technology will follow. And in this case, so will Gen Z. Every source and study reference today is linked in these show notes. The Gen Z research is definitely something fascinating, and I would encourage you to go deeper because it's worth your time. I'm Ron Thurston. This is Retail in America. If this episode made you think differently about who's walking into your stores and why, please share it with someone who needs to hear it.
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From the publisher
62% of Gen Z shops in physical stores — more than any generation before them. They came for community, connection, and a human moment. And the industry’s response is to automate the experience that brought them there.
This episode examines why Gen Z is choosing physical retail, what they actually need when they walk in, and what winning retailers are doing to meet them there.
THE THREE HUMAN TRUTHS
1. RETAIL — Gen Z didn’t come for the product. They came for the person.
42% cite social activity as their primary reason for shopping in person. They’re seeking belonging, not just a transaction.
2. TECHNOLOGY — AI is entering the store at exactly the wrong moment.
Only 14% of consumers trust AI to purchase for them — yet 68% of retailers are deploying AI-powered customer interactions. That’s not a technology failure. That’s a strategy failure.
3. PEOPLE — The associate who greets Gen Z isn’t just a frontline worker. They’re the brand.
Retailers winning with Gen Z have invested in their associates as experience creators. They’ve given them time, training, and permission to build relationships.
SOURCES
•Advertising Week — Gen Z’s Surprising Love Affair with the Mall (2025)
•ICSC — The Rise of Third Places: Becoming Your Community’s Social Experience Hub (2025)
•Salesforce — State of the Connected Customer Report
•McKinsey — The State of AI in 2025
•Edelman — Trust Barometer Flash Poll: Trust and Artificial Intelligence at a Crossroads (2025)
BOOKS BY RON THURSTON
RETAIL PRIDE and HUMAN PRIDE — available at ronthurston.com and wherever books are sold.
CLOSING PULL QUOTE
- “The brands winning with Gen Z are the brands that still believe in the human moment.”




