Why Financial Education Is Being Replaced by Indoctrination

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0:58Good morning. Robert Kiyosaki, The Rich Dad Radio Show. The good news and bad news about money. And we're broadcasting from beautiful Phoenix, Arizona, where it's either heaven or hell. And right now it's heaven. So for those of you who are freezing your butts off, come to Scottsdale, Arizona. It's heaven. Right now it's beautiful. We have a very special show today. All the shows are special. but our guest today is jasmine wilson and she's a gift officer for turning point usa and folks not familiar with turning point usa their founder was a man named charlie kirk so this is kind of a subject near and dear my heart because charlie kirk and i in turning point usa fought for the same we shared the stage together and all this uh charlie kirk and i were on the stage at Arizona State University, a Marxist organization full of communist school teachers.

1:54And the school teachers attacked us. They didn't like what we were saying. In other words, we were censored at Arizona State University because Charlie Kirk spoke about freedom, capitalism and, you know, not being indoctrinated by the communist system of education. I say the same thing. I don't say it as strongly as he did. So he and I shared the stage. The teachers shut us down. The Arizona State Legislature found out about it. And they called a special session for the professors at Arizona State University and said, how can you shut down the freedom of speech? So the Arizona state legislature had this huge meeting.

2:46They said the professors need to show up and explain themselves. How can they shut down Charlie Kirk and me? Also, Dennis Prager is on the schedule. Three very conservative capitalists. And guess how many of those professors showed up, even though the state legislature said, come and defend yourselves. not one of those professors. Now that totally fits this book here. It's called The Communist Manifesto. I recommend every teacher read this book because you're a Marxist. And I don't mean you're bad people. Get me wrong. I support the freedom of economic choice. You know, you want to be a Marxist?

3:28Good. You want to be a capitalist? Good. You want to be a poor person? Good. It's your choice. I don't really care about that. But what Marx was, this is written around 1850, Marx was an academic. And like my poor dad, academics think that if you know all the answers, you're better than people who aren't academics. So they have this superiority-inferiority complex. So the professors at Arizona State University think because we're professors, we're PhDs. just like my poor dad. And I always said PhD stands for poor, helpless, and desperate. And so when Charlie Kirk, myself, and Dennis Crager showed up at Arizona State, they shut us down.

4:20So Jasmine Wilson is a gift officer now for Turning Point USA. I'm finding out more about their organization. I attended their two-day here in Phoenix, Arizona. And I was very impressed that Charlie Kirk has now hit the stage of martyr you know john kennedy is a martyr because he got assassinated so is mark dr martin luther king so is jesus christ they're martyrs when you get murdered for standing for your beliefs you become a martyr so i want to check it out so jasmine called me she says come and check it out so i spent two days in arizona here with jasmine and Turning Point USA, and I will say I was extremely impressed.

5:08It's a well-run organization. I believe they use their money wisely, and they're making a big difference to carry on the legacy of Charlie Kirk. And so with that, I'm very happy to welcome Jasmine Wilson, Turning Point USA. So Jasmine, let's start with a background. How did you get involved with Charlie and where you from from and all the other background. Thank you, Robert, for having me on your show. It means a lot. I'm just getting straight into it. Who Jasmine Wilson, aka me, who I am. I was very fortunate. I was raised as an Army brat. So my dad is originally from Alabama and my mom is originally from Mexico, but raised in California.

5:47And they both decided to join the Army right out of high school. And kind of that's where I come into the picture. I'm the oldest. I have three younger siblings. And we spent our whole time as growing up, moving around. Very fortunate to have a stay-at-home mother who was very, you know, nurturing and very attentive towards our education, very mindful of how we carried ourselves, always wanting to make sure that she instilled in us, you know, the American standard of you work really hard for everything and you treat people the way that you want to be treated. So as I got older, I ended up attending a private college in Kansas, middle of nowhere, Atchison, not too far from Kansas City area, actually.

6:33And I didn't know what I was in school for. And that was one of the things that really, you know, opened my eyes to, okay, I'm in school, but I don't know what it is I'm here for. And lo and behold, the only thing that made sense for me to study and actually get a degree in was political science. So that kind of worked out for me in the end. And that opened up a lot of doors for me as well. But from there, I actually graduated college, moved to Washington, D.C., worked with the political think tank there that sent me to Colorado. And that's where my journey with Turning Point begins back in 2018.

7:13So when I was in Colorado helping support conservative organizations on college campuses, I was very fortunate to be introduced to Turning Point. And they were so kind to me. I remember Brandon Schubert. He's still with Turning Point, actually. He took me under his wing. He traveled the whole state with me. And we really just made sure that Turning Point had the foundation and the support resources, tools to make sure that they had a strong presence on college campuses. So that was the first time I was introduced to Turning Point because I really didn't know what it was or who it was. And there was, I'll never forget, at Boulder, the University of Colorado Boulder, that's where Charlie had his first tour stop.

8:00and I was floored when I heard him speak. It was really nice to hear somebody that speaks the way you think. And I think especially in a college setting, you know, I just graduated college. And even though you go to private school, you're not always necessarily around people that think in a conservative or traditional way, not all the time. But it was really wonderful to hear this young guy, you know, he's only a couple of years older than me at the time. I think Charlie and I were, I think he's two years older than me. so it was really really impressive to hear somebody around my age that is saying exactly the thing that I was raised that's how my mom and dad raised me that's how I think for myself and and you know it's like whoa I want this and I want it I want to be around that but you know sometimes you make decisions in life that are not always the best decisions so instead of staying with Turning Point, I actually went rogue and I ended up wanting to get into business.

8:57So from there, I kind of jumped ship and I ended up in Michigan. No real reason why I picked Michigan. And I did door-to-door sales for three years. But actually, in the grand scheme, this was adding to my portfolio and building my resume because fast forward, 2021, I would move back here after COVID and all that, you know, just all the mess that COVID had brought upon us. It made sense for me to come back home in 2021. And lo and behold, the full circle, I happen to be friends with the right people that introduced me to our current COO, Justin Stripe and Justin's children and my sisters. They all went to the same school and they were looking for somebody that knew, you know, fundraising sales kind of background.

9:45And I was looking for of work at the time. And I'm like, no way that this opportunity is here for me to work with Turning Point again, but in my realm. Right. So I like I like sales. I like I like closing deals. I like talking strategy. Development is fun to me. And and that opportunity arise in October of twenty twenty four. So when I started back with Turning Point, I literally came in during the election season. It was fast paced. It was crazy. But the idea that I'll never forget that made me love it, was all these people were trying to see how they could support Turning Point while we win the election of 2024 and make sure that Trump gets into office and to be a part of an organization.

10:29So let me ask you this. What is, a lot of people don't know what Turning Point is. I mean, I didn't, you know, when I got on stage with Charlie Kirk, I didn't know who he was. It's, you know, basically you're campus based at colleges and now you're spreading into elementary schools also. But what is the philosophy or driving or the message of Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk? Of course. So Charlie's whole concept was how do we make sure that students are being taught what students should be taught in school, right? How to think for themselves. That's the thing. You're not coming to school to be indoctrinated.

11:02You're coming to school to learn how to cultivate an idea and how to truly think for yourself. So when we look at Turning Point USA, sure, we acknowledge it for Charlie speaking and addressing, you know, big, important topics, controversial topics, right, in our day to day. And then talking to these students, because a lot of these students in college at the time, specifically college, like mentioned, you know, they're regurgitating things that the professors are saying. And like you just said, some of these professors are not the American minded mindset. Right. And and that is a problem because these are the next generation.

11:37to come that will continue running our country. So Charlie's idea and what it's established, what it's grown to now is this. Turning Point is a nonprofit organization that helps uphold the American Constitution in public sectors. So schools, churches, you know, workspace. And what we started as, what's only working with college kids, has grown now to, you know, we're doing urban outreach. We do church outreach. Like you just mentioned, we've now gone from just college down to high school, and now we're all the way in K through 12 sectors. So let me be a little bit clearer because I didn't know Charlie at all.

12:25I mean, we shared the stage together. I like what he said and all this, and then he got shot. And somebody came up to me and says, you're next. And those are the professors. Like I said, the professors did not show up for the state legislature of Arizona. They think they're above the law. But what I understood from going at 10 in the last two days with you guys at Turning Point here in Phoenix was you're anti-woke and you're anti-DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion. You're into freedom. You don't have a political agenda except for freedom. and the freedom to choose what you want to learn, not be indoctrinated.

13:09So let me give you the difference for those that don't know the difference. I went to military school and I joined the U.S. Marine Corps. We're indoctrinated. We're educated, but we're also indoctrinated into a philosophy. Like the Marine Corps, you know, I spent six years as a Marine pilot, two tours in Vietnam. You don't go there being a liberal. You don't go there saying, oh, let's all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, you know. So to get us to be pilots and fight and kill a lot of people, I just got back, you know, when I saw you at Turning Point here in Phoenix, I just got back from Vietnam, and we didn't know why we were there.

13:53I was a Marine pilot, but we were just following orders. We were indoctrinated, not educated. So the reason I sat there listening the last couple of days with you at Turning Point is you're against the indoctrination of Marxist ideas, DEI, woke, anything that takes away our freedoms. Am I overstepping my boundary on that by saying you guys are into a freedom of thought and education, not indoctrination into a levering, liberal, Marxist orientation? You hit it right on the nail right there. I mean, that is exactly what Turning Point USA is. And we are really the only organization that is speaking like this.

14:41I mean, people want to comfort an idea or make sure people's emotions and feelings are safe and sound, but we're here to speak the truth. we're the United States of America because of the idea of not woke right this is a culture that we preserve with standards of tradition and value everything that we do there's a reason behind it because it's been thought out to help preserve until the next generations to come so once you start taking away these god-given freedoms right I mean there's a reason we have our constitution there's a reason we have you know the happiness pursuit of why we have you know the idea of god family and country so with that it's like how do we make sure that again we're it's good versus evil this is a spiritual thing and we're aware of that but if this is truly a spiritual good versus evil then we have to be prepared to stand strong and just like charlie kirk you know some people, like, this is worth dying over.

15:41This is truly worth dying over. And so one of the reasons that I was impressed with what you guys did, you're a very well-run organization, extremely well, I was impressed, let me say this, with Turning Point. And Charlie would be proud of you guys. Unfortunately, he's dead. And, but he stood up for what freedom is about. The freedom to think what you want to think. you know if you want to think this think it want to think that think it you know but it's this indoctrination into a marxist agenda no you're so right i like what you said earlier you know if you want to be a marxist if you want to be capitalist okay whatever we don't really care what you do with your day-to-day but the idea is don't push that on people right and if somebody is going to have a conversation with you be educated enough to know why you believe in what you believe in, regardless of what that is.

16:41Right? So I think that is a big part too. Charlie was always open to talking to people, especially he preferred talking to people that didn't agree with him because that is how, that's how you educate. I didn't know him that well. Like I said, I spent a couple of nights with him on stage talking, you know, and I said, this guy, as Mexicans would say, he's got cojones, big balls. He says stuff, I wouldn't say, especially we're in a Marxist organization called Arizona State University. And now I knew why those professors came at us because they're against what he was saying. And the truth, it was Charlie's truth, but they didn't like his truth because academics is about indoctrination.

17:30So they charge these kids with a student loan program, and now your generation and generations below are loaded with debt. I'm a debt guy. I'm a capitalist. But I wouldn't take out a student loan because it's the worst possible kind of debt. They loaded our students up with the worst kind of debt. How dare they do that? And so that's why when I sat there listening, that he had a nice cocktail party, Turning Point USA, and the presentation was profound. But I like what you're doing. You're fighting the indoctrination of Marxism in our school system. So we come back, and if you want to be a Marxist, go to school.

18:14I'm not against it, you know. But anyway, when we come back, we'll be talking more to Jasmine Wilson. She's a gifts officer of Turning Point USA, and she worked with Charlie Kirk, who, as you know, was assassinated for standing up for what he believed in. We'll be right back. I never thought I could be so excited about banking. Allow me to share. If you don't know about Chime, it's time that you do. Chime is changing the way that people bank. It's fee-free smarter banking, not like the old school banks that charge you overdraft and monthly fees. Fees, fees, and more fees. It's built for you, not the 1%.

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21:04Welcome back, Robert Kiyosaki, for today's radio show, good news and bad news about money. Our guest today is Jasmine Wilson. She's the chief, the gift officer for Turning Point USA, aka Charlie Kirk's organization. And we're talking about a reason she invited, FYI, I had just come back from a tour of Vietnam again, and I went to a Turning Point USA event with Jasmine in Phoenix here and as i said what charlie was fighting against and what turning point usa fights against is this here and i said the difference between the trouble with our education today is marxist so charlie and i were attacked at arizona state university and they're not bad people you can be a marxist if you want you can be a communist you can be a hippie and do what you want to do But the trouble is, is when this puts student loans attached to it, and now our students are the biggest indebted people on planet Earth, and they go to school to get indoctrinated, not educated.

22:12If you look up the definition of the word education, it says a douce, to draw out of a person. Indoctrination is means you feed into a person. And I know the difference is because I went to military school. I had nominations to the Naval Academy and Virtual Marine Academy and West Point. Those are my schools. I'm a military officer. We're indoctrinated. And then I joined the Marine Corps, and I'm indoctrinated to be a Marine. We're indoctrinated to fly a different—I was a pilot. I just got back from my third return trip to Vietnam to make peace. Well, what our schools are doing right now is they're indoctrining students to be Marxists.

22:57DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, and what else are they indoctrining kids on? But they're Marxist ideas. That's the problem. So I was very impressed with Turning Point USA. And I'm afraid I never got to know Charlie to share the stage with him. But he got taken out. And, you know, Jasmine, I've been warned also. Keep my mouth shut. because we're going up against the academic establishment who wants students to be in debt with student loans. So we're not educating our kids. We're indoctrinating them and then loading them with student loan debt and now our American kids come out indoctrinated and in debt.

23:37No wonder New York now has a Marxist mayor. No wonder California is a Marxist governor because they learned it in school. and you know and then interesting too is this it was 9 11 and Charlie Kirk was shot a 9 10. So there's so many similarities I'm sitting there listening I'm at Turning Point USA going and Charlie is now a martyr and so I want to support Jasmine's message as a gift officer for Turning Point USA because we're fighting Marxism we're not fighting Marxism you want to be a Marcus, be one. You know, you want to be Catholic, be a Catholic. You want to be a Jew, be a Jew. But don't indoctrinate people.

24:17That's what I'm going to say. So Jasmine, what do you have to say? No, I mean, you and I, we have great conversations back and forth. And one of the things I definitely want to highlight is right now we're seeing a big shift within females, women in our culture. And I think that's something that needs to be addressed as well. Sure, we can highlight the education. We can go through where churches are failing. We can talk about a lot of things. But you know, when you look at men and women in today's culture, I think women are a big issue for us. Right. I get attacked by women quite often that we have been indoctrinated with this even culture that we live in that, you know, women are have all these freedoms and the rights and we can do whatever we want.

25:04And here's the thing, like you said, do whatever you want, but don't indoctrinate. And I think right now, as there's more momentum with women, you know, women being in positions of CEOs, we have women in politics. You know, again, as a woman, I love being a woman, but I don't think that women, when they're working in a feminist way, I don't think we're helping preserve, you know, the sanity of what womanhood and the future of, you know, mothers and even women that are in professions, right, that are professionals should necessarily think like, because that enables this indoctrination, right? And right now I see it quite often on college campuses.

25:44I see it within my own family. Women right now need to be reminded, you know, that everyone has a role. And feminism, it's not a healthy part of our culture right now. I understand what we're up against here is freedom. You know, why did I go to Vietnam twice? I fought for our freedom. our freedom to choose religion, our politics, our beliefs, our friends, our education. But when our college campuses, this started in 1930, what happened was Columbia University's Teachers College in 1930 imported Marxist teachers from Germany, and they started teaching the Columbia University's Teachers College in 1930.

26:34and right after that, that's when the riots broke out on our campuses, you know, four dead in Ohio. The students started protesting against America. But that was because Columbia University's Teachers College, you should look it up, you know, invited students, professors from Marx-Lade in Germany to teach the teachers and all hell went to you. So when I came back from Vietnam, there was no welcome home. where we're spit on, hit with eggs and all this. And that's kind of why just before I came to the event at Turning Point USA in March of this year, 2026, I had just come back from Vietnam to make peace because I went over there.

27:20I liked what I did. I'm a Marine. But I fought for our freedom. And that's what they did not understand that we're Marines and military. We fight for our freedom. freedom to think what we want to think and choose the education we want to choose. But our schools have become Marxist indoctrination camps. Now, the good thing is Charlie Kirk had the balls to do it. He stood up to them. I was so impressed with that. And your organization, I like well-run organizations. I was very impressed with Charlie Point's organizational skills because that's how you win. You're going up with a very highly sophisticated, organized group called the NEA, National Education Association.

28:09The teachers union. Unions are Marxist. Just study Marx. So NEA is National Education Association. And guess what? My poor dad was the head of the teachers union. And rich dad hated unions. So that's where we're at. But I had a choice. Do I want to go union? Or do I want to be a capitalist? And so the reason I'm a capitalist is I didn't want to join a union. That's freedom of choice. That's all I fight for. You want to join a union? Be a Marxist? Have a good time. You can join the NEA, National Extortion Association. The biggest union, the most influential union in America is teachers. and most of them are indoctrinated as Marxists.

29:01And like I said, when the state legislature of Arizona asked the teachers to show up, the teachers went, read between the lines, man. Read between the lines. We don't have to listen to the laws of the land because we're educators. That's where I'm proud of Turning Point USA for the battle you're doing. No, thank you, Robert. And to your point, you know, now that things are different because Charlie isn't here, the mission is still the same. You know, one thing I love to tell people, everyone that works at Turning Point, prior to Charlie's passing, we were here because we believed in what the work, you know, we're doing.