#249: The “K-Pop Serial Killer” - “Handsome” Killer Stirs Online Discourse & Shocks South Korea

27:28They tried to cover as much of the river as they possibly could. But this is December of 2022. Now, side note, the river that he named where he allegedly dumped Miss J's body is not the Han River, which runs directly in the middle of Seoul. This was called Gongduncheon River, something like that. It's in Baju. It's near the North Korean border. This is important later. Oh my gosh. Yes. so it's freezing they got a bunch of troops near the border the temperatures are below freezing a lot of parts of the river were frozen shut but adding to the difficulty of this search was that um there's active landmines because it's the border i don't know i they can't confirm but there is the danger of active landmines okay but he went over there regardless that's what he claimed oh and so the police are searching over there but the search is not going well because of all these things.

28:22The temperature, the frozen river, the having to deploy helicopters, divers, and the fact that it's on the border, meaning that they have to be careful of active landmines. It's like a behemoth of a search. They're not going well. Meanwhile, news breaks of a potential serial killer and holding and the public is freaking out rightfully. One of the main points of contention in this case, at least with netizens, is the fact that in 2019, South Korea passed an authoritative Interpretations Act. What? Okay, in order for the government to release a suspect's photo to the public, the police has to get permission from the suspect.

28:58That is so bizarre. How did that even come about? I guess it's the whole innocent till proven guilty type of mindset. But hear me out, right? This guy confessed. He confessed to two murders. Okay, so it may be in other cases, Koreans were a little bit more like, still feel a little weird about it. It seems like most Koreans don't like this law. So with the current law, the suspect cannot be forced to release their names, release their mugshot or any pictures of them unless they are officially go to trial and sentenced. And even then, there are other protection acts in place. It just depends case by case.

29:29But they don't even have to show their face when talking to the press or maybe making public appearances that are required during this case. So basically, a potential serial killer could just refused to not let his photograph be released and choose to stay anonymous since 2019 since this act passed which i know it feels like last year but it's been multiple years since then only one criminal has agreed one suspect has released to release his pictures not only that you get to pick which picture gets released like you know how in the u.s you get arrested your mugshot is everywhere you get to pick your picture and everyone chooses like the cutest little picture so the odds aren't looking great with lee releasing his you know identity of course he refused now i do think the press and public would have been less angered by lee's decision and this law if he hadn't outright confessed to killing two people if he was like i didn't do it you have the wrong people you have the wrong person like it wasn't me then maybe the netizens would have been like okay let's just wait till trial because he's saying it's not him and he like brings up a good few points.

30:28Maybe this is like police coercion, but he straight up was like, it's me. So now you confess to killing two people, but you want the public to respect your privacy. Did you respect the public when you committed those murders? Like, did you ask for permission? He said that he was refusing to release his identity because he didn't want his family to be disappointed or to know about his crimes, which is a bizarre reasoning. Like you care about what your family thinks and fine, you can hide from the general public, but how do you hide these crimes from your own family. Like you're in prison. Netizens were furious.

30:57There was a lot of conversation on this act that was passed on this act itself. And should these suspects really be given that much privacy? Really? Like, is it necessary? There's a debate over what should and should not be released to the media, but there was still a chance that the public could see his face and all of those times are during police escorted press conferences. So technically there's loopholes in this law he could be like no i don't want to release my identity but when he's being transferred from police custody to the courthouse if he's not good at covering up his face and the the press get a shot they can post it because you're in public space dude there's a public area that's why they always have a bag over the head and they they always have a giant parka the hood is over their face they've got giant face masks and that's exactly how he shows up to the next court hearing and you can see him in the pictures when he's being escorted to court completely covered up a lot of netizens were angered because again it's like hey you admitted to killing an elderly man and now you want us to respect your privacy i don't really think so the only thing that he said during this interaction with the press was he said i'm sorry for the murders i committed netizens kept screaming at the cops like take off his hood and the officer said we talked to him about taking off his mask but he refused we have to respect his decision people were like why are we giving these people choices?

32:19Don't give them a choice to reveal their identity or not if you confess to murdering two people. This is part of public safety. Does the government care about public safety or privacy rights of killers? Now, there's more on this debate later because clearly we have a ton of pictures of this guy. But we'll get to it later. Lee Gi-young was officially indicted on charges of homicide by robbery, revenge killing, abandoning dead bodies, falsifying documents, fraud, and violations of information communication networks and credit card laws. He could be facing life in prison or even the death penalty.

32:52Now, although the charges were made public, he still was not even named in the media. And a photo of him wasn't released at this point. At the same time, searches for Ms. J's body are still going strong. Side note about this whole debate. People were saying the police kept coming out and begging the public to give up any information they have on this case. And the public is like, how do you want us to do that when we don't know what this guy looks like? Do you want us to just take a guess? You know what? I did see a suspicious guy at the convenience store. Maybe it's this guy. Like, what do you mean?

33:25So that was another thing netizens were like, what are you saying right now? Anyway, they're looking for Miss J. Nothing is coming up. Not a single thing had been found. Not even a single clue. They were wasting precious time, resources, trying to figure out where Miss J's body was. And maybe Miss J wasn't even in the river. when they confronted Lee again he casually just said actually you know what I didn't throw her in the river now that I think about it I remember digging a shallow grave on the river bank and I buried her next to the river wow come on the investigators are agitated I mean he's suddenly changing his story they don't even know if they should trust this version of events Lee went on to describe exactly where he buried Miss J's body and he sat back in the chair and he like cocked his head and he said this is my last gift to you guys this guy is clearly enjoying the feeling of power of toying with the police he felt like he was the only one that had answers to questions that they needed to know this is often why narcissistic killers will taunt the police even after being caught they send them on these wild goose chases sometimes it's just to prolong the experience of the police needing them of being the guy with the answers he got off on the attention, the power he felt with the only one with this type of information.

34:39And he's now acting like he's the good guy. He's throwing them a bone, helping them out. He felt like he was smarter than the police. Also, when killers do this, a lot of experts believe it's to feel like they're in control. Because ultimately, when they're caught, you're no longer in control. You don't even have the freedom to control when you take a shower or when you eat or when you poo. So him toying with the police makes it seem like he's in control of this operation. He's the head boss. This is exactly what he wanted. He's like, I can make these guys do things, search places that are going to come up empty.

35:10They're going to get frustrated and I get this emotional reaction out of them. And it's shitty because what are the police going to do? Just not listen? They have to search the area. So they go. They look for this shallow grave where Miss J was allegedly buried and they send out troops, canine units. They spent all day and just they searched the full radius of where Lee claimed she was buried and they found absolutely nothing yet again. They're getting fed up with this guy. They drag Lee out to the river and they have him find the burial site himself. They're like pointed out. While there, Lee's walking around and there's pictures of this.

35:43He's handcuffed. There's a whole team of police officers, like a dozen, a whole police force. But anyway, he starts walking around confidently. He points at a spot on the ground. He's like, that's where I buried her. There was nothing found at that site, nothing. So did he forget where he buried her or is he just messing with the police and having fun? It's speculated that he probably did something to Miss J's body that wouldn't match up with him killing her in a bout of rage. Maybe he had done something worse with the disposal of her body. Sometimes when killers will dismember someone or do something very gruesome, they'll try to cover it up.

36:19Or maybe he had done something to her before she was killed or right after she was killed that would clearly indicate that his lies were not the truth. so is he just stalling for as long as possible the police were frustrated they throw him in the back of a police car and they continue with their search now it's hours he's inside this police car he looks around and he figures okay i'm probably alone i don't see anyone he's feeling hot and stuffy in the car he lowers his hood takes off his mask there were reporters hiding in the distance with super zoom lenses. No freaking way. Yes. They captured photo after photo of this guy in the police car and his identity was finally revealed.

37:03Okay, so they took that photo in the car and then the people like, I know this guy, here's his photo. Yes. That's how they found everything. Yes. And once... Wow. Yeah. Once this leaked into the media, Lee was like, oh, I want to release my identity. Again, that whole power, he wants to feel like he's the one making decisions. yeah he knew the game was up he formally gave permission to reveal his name to the public and again he's just trying to feel like he's in control and he chose his id picture to be released so in the u.s more often than not your mugshot gets plastered right and your id is also probably just as bad as your mugshot okay like my id picture is so disgustingly gross it's probably nobody's this is my profile pic is my id picture but in south korea you can choose to release any picture.

37:49And people typically choose their driver's license picture because you can edit your driver's license picture. It's South Korea law. It's legal for you to edit and Photoshop your driver's license picture. It just can't be too drastic where you look like Kim Kardashian when you're not, but to a degree. So he releases that. And if this case wasn't already viral, it would be with the release of his ID. Because since the day of him being taken into custody, news, media outlets, netizens, social media forums everyone is calling this guy an utter vile monster like a disgusting piece of sewage rat I think everyone had a clear picture of what they thought he was going to look like like a sewage rat and then his picture was released he looks like a kpop idol and look, I'm not even going to go down the rabbit hole I feel like we've traveled down this road one too many times how could this killer be evil when he's so conventionally attractive there's so many crime documentaries where the whole premise is he's a monster, but like, look how cute he is.

38:45I think he's okay. He's okay looking at best. If you guys are listening to the audio version, I'll describe him as best as I can. I do think that he fits all the conventional attractive standards for Korean beauty. He's tall, incredibly symmetrical facial features, sharp jawline, a lot of hair, like thick jet black hair and clear skin. So with this picture, everyone collectively loses their minds. Now I do see where people are coming from. I do think that there's an element of, We think that we know what creepy people look like. We stay away from those people. We stay away from that strange, creepy-looking dude acting weird in the dark corner of the parking lot.

39:21We stay away from the guy that makes way too much eye contact and licks his lips in the grocery store. We think these people are creepy because we think we can spot out creepy people. It's hard to say that Lee Gi-young is creepy-looking. So a lot of people had this collective thought of, oh my god, if I met this guy, I probably would have lowered my guard because he looks so normal. In fact, I think he looks handsome. I would have trusted him. I'd probably go to his house to get accident money. He looks like a normal person. Now, another thing to note about South Korea is that I'm sure this exists everywhere.

39:50But in South Korea, there's even a word for it. It's called insang. It's a little bit different from first impressions. Insang means just based off of someone's facial features and how they sit on their face and their resting face. You can tell what kind of energy they give off, what vibe they have. and I'm sure there's more to it but sometimes I hear my mom talking about you know this person's insang is this and all I'm thinking is wow insang is just code word for pretty privilege like all the parts that she's pointing out are like oh their insang is good because you know their face looks like this and I'm like those are just conventionally attractive features mother so I think his insang looks trustable and that's not to say Koreans are naive and just trust anyone that's attractive but I'm sure everyone everywhere has these biases it's like a human bias so his You can't avoid it.

40:38Yeah. His picture basically light the internet on fire. The internet does the thing of investigating alongside the police. So we're going to break this down into two parts. The police investigation. The netizen investigation.

40:54Let's start with the police. The investigators are under a lot of pressure now to figure out this case. And I will say I'm pretty shocked at how thorough the investigation has been on this one. Why? I mean, they do. I can't even point out where they went wrong. Okay. That's good, right? Yeah, I mean, it's good, but I'm just shocked. Like, where was this energy for a lot of other cases we talked about? But, like, they're pulling out all the stops on this one. The police start tracking Lee's movements prior to his arrest. They find CCTV of him at a restaurant before his arrest. So this is after T's murder and the five days before his arrest.

41:29The interesting incident stands out to them because so far it seems like Lee was not that close with anybody. He wasn't close with his family. He wasn't even that close with Tara. She barely seemed to know him. Everything he had told her was a lie. So she didn't even know the real him. Nobody knows the real him, like I'm saying. So the police are like, look at this guy. Which, side note, remember how Lee told everybody, including Tara, that his parents were wealthy? They're not. So again, who is this guy? Police stumble upon CCTV in a Korean barbecue restaurant. And there is Lee sitting with a group of six of his friends.

42:01They come in together sit down and start sharing a meal Friends, maybe these people know something about him CCTV shows them taking soju shots having fun It seems like a regular boys night out But then it gets weird near the end of the meal The six friends just collectively get up and leave when lee is preoccupied with something They just ghost him in the middle of the meal They just what do you mean and leave so he goes to the bathroom lee goes to the bathroom and these six friends They're like, let's go they get up and leave They're not even done eating their meal. Okay, so they don't want to pay.

42:34It seems like it, right? And Lee is forced to cover the entire dinner tab. He goes inside, pays for the meal because they were outside dining. Then he goes back outside and for a few minutes he eats a little bit more alone. And then he leaves. The police find another CCTV camera that shows the street view. And it shows that Lee walks away and the six guys are standing at the end of the block, just talking on the sidewalk. Lee calmly approaches his friends and he starts freaking out on them. I mean, I guess this part is understandable. He's seen on CCTV getting in their face. The friends slam him to the ground to get him to back off.

43:06And when he's down, the friends start quickly running off. Then Lee gets back up, wildly motioning his arms like he's shouting something at the guys. They're long gone. They're already down the road. The police want to know. Maybe he told his friend something that night. Maybe he got drunk and confessed to the murder of Mr. T. Or maybe more. Or maybe he did something that they didn't like. Why would they all just leave him at a restaurant? What happened? Police tracked down Lee's friends. And even if nothing spectacular happened at the Korean barbecue restaurant, maybe they had insight on Lee as a person in general.

43:39Police bring them in. And this case takes such a bizarre turn. The guys are like, yeah, no, we're not friends. We actually don't know him. That was the first time we ever met the guy. What? Literally what? So the guys tell the police, we were out having drinks at a nearby restaurant, like the six of us. We're actually friends. Like we've known each other for a while. and this dude lee just approaches our table this guy and asked if we wanted to join him to get korean barbecue a few doors down it was really weird he just walked past us and was like hey i'll pay for a mule you guys want to get korean barbecue it was really weird but he said something along the lines of like look i'm super fucking rich okay like i have so much money i don't even know what to do with it and i'm kind of bored so you guys want to be my drinking buddies Now the six friends, they're in their early 20s.

44:29Lee is 30. I mean, a free meal is a free meal. And it's not like Lee is 60 years old, this creepy ajashi. Maybe they could all be friends. Like an unlikely start. But who knows? Maybe they'd get along. And it's also Christmas time. So everybody's in this like jolly like, yeah, let's all just huddle together spirit. They agree. Pay for their drinks. They all walk to the Korean barbecue restaurant. They order meat, which side note, meat in Korea is super, super expensive. Seafood is cheaper in Korea. Korean barbecue is like a big thing in Korea because it's also a very pricey meal typically. So, I mean, they're excited.

45:03This is like someone being like in America, let me take you out to a lobster feast. That just doesn't happen. This is really expensive. They order soju shots and it seems pretty clear to the police, but also to the group of guys that Lee just wanted to invite them to dinner so that he could be a raging narcissist. The six guys are like the whole time, he was just bragging about how rich he was how he was so rich he doesn't even know what to do with his bajillions of dollars and he just threw it around like literally with light money on fire type of energy he buys strangers meals which you know all of this was fine he could be talking about how he was god's gift to earth and we would have listened like it was all legit because we're getting free kool-gay right but we left in the middle of the meal because something weird happened.

45:50I don't know how it came up, but he just kept asking us how far we would go for money. We were all just giggling, but he seemed so serious. We laughed it off and we were like, I'd probably do this. I'd probably, you know, do this. And he asked us genuinely, if I paid you a million dollars, would you kill someone? Would you kill someone for money?

46:15Probably not. And they tried to talk about something else, but he kept bringing it back to murder. Murder and money. And he looked dead serious. The friends are getting freaked out. I think it's like, it's hitting them. We don't even know this guy. He could be poisoning our drinks right now as we speak. Like, we literally don't know this man. They get freaked out and they decide to leave the restaurant while Lee is in the restroom. But instead of leaving the area, they linger around talking about, That was weird. That was so bizarre. Probably joking about it when Lee suddenly approaches them on the street.

46:47And the friend said, it's like he was a completely different person. He was so angry, aggressive. Like there was no way to even talk sense into him. Like, hey, we left because you were being so creepy. He wanted to fight. He got all up in our friend's face. We pushed him off and he fell to the ground. And we're like, we don't even think when he gets up, it's going to be OK. Like we're going to get into a fight. So they take off. Lee is caught on CCTV waving his hands around yelling something. The friends would later tell the police he was screaming, I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you. Okay, so there's definitely a dark, dark side of him that can come out.

47:22Very bizarre. And it definitely adds to the bigger picture of who this guy is. But that still doesn't solve the question of where is Miss J? The police keep digging and they find just as Lee had done with Mr. T, he was using Miss J's phone to periodically post on Kakao Talk, her social media, to make it seem like she was alive. If her friends and family reached out worried because nobody had seen her in a while She would just respond that she wasn't feeling great and she just wanted time alone He sprinkled all these breadcrumbs using miss jay's phone to make it seem like she was just going under the radar voluntarily Now similar to mr T the police uncovered lee had taken out loans in miss jay's name after he killed her about 15 000 us dollars But he didn't kill miss jay for 15 000 us dollars The police believe in the short four months that he was dating Miss J, he manipulated her into loaning him 200 ,000 US dollars.

48:13There is even a written agreement that he would pay her back. So Miss J is making sure to cover herself, protect herself. But ultimately, Lee was not able to pay back. The guy refused to even get a job. The whole time he's dating Miss J, she's bankrolling their entire relationship, taking him on lavish trips, buying him designer goods, letting him live in her home. So the erasure of his debt, the$15 ,000 loan, and the fact that he could live in her apartment rent-free, I think all of those combined led him to murdering his girlfriend at the time. Maybe that was his plan all along. This case then started being compared to another real-life parasite case.

48:51You know the South Korean movie where there's a rich family, and they employ a lower socioeconomic class family, I guess, and they just suck them dry, slowly but surely. and then you find out that there's another family living underneath the rich family's home leeching off of them as well and it's a question of who is the parasite in society and it's a movie about social class i would say maybe that's too high of praise for what lee was doing i think lee was just a straight up parasite like not in the movie sense but just in the normal sense of the word he just wanted money he would latch on to someone suck them dry of their funds over the course of a few months and then kill them and then take out one final loan so originally everyone was calling him the k-pop killer but soon the news outlets refer to him as the real life parasite killer and i i do think it's kind of this question of if he's capable of doing this to miss j and going months and months without getting caught that really doesn't seem like it was his first kill even the way that he killed mr t the 20 minutes in and out covering his tracks that doesn't seem like it was just his second time it feels like this guy has done this multiple times before he's experienced he has a system in place lee claims that he had no other victims but the police don't believe him.

50:01The police found DNA in the apartment, four other traces of DNA, three female and one male. Now, these are being tested, but it is speculated that they're probably not going to reveal any new victims. It's speculated that it belonged to Miss J, Tara, the cleaning lady, and the male DNA belonged to Mr. T. Side note about the cleaning lady. Lee called a cleaning lady 12 times a month to the apartment to clean. One of the times she came to clean was after December 20th. So there was a dead body locked in the closet at this point. She was later interviewed by police and said, Lee was always really nice and friendly.

50:35I didn't suspect a thing. I always thought he was just another regular law abiding citizen. And just the sheer number of people that have come into contact with Lee that could potentially be another victim. Insane. So take a guess. How many people do you think you talked to in the past year? Like I'm talking friends, acquaintances. I'm not talking like, oh, you texted your Uber driver, like you're here talking like full-on conversations text phone i mean not that many is it i don't know i'd probably think like 15 20 30 30 yeah okay maybe like 40 if you're working and stuff probably not a lot right but in 2022 alone lee spoke to at least 380 people again not just brief contact of like oh you can leave it at the front door or like uber driver i'm here like he's socializing out there?

51:26Socializing. Friendly conversations. Mostly women, but 380 different people. That's a huge number. That means he's talking to at least one new person every day. That's a lot of different potential victims. He could have invited one over, killed them, and taken loans out in their names. Maybe they've been reported missing, but the cases haven't been connected yet. So the police are now having to go through the incredibly tedious route of making sure each one of these 380 people are still alive. So tedious not because lives are tedious, but the administrative work on that, it's not just calling up 380 people and making sure they're alive, but just the paperwork, the reports that have to be filed with each verification of life.

52:03It's going to be a mountain. They did reveal something interesting about the conversations though. It seemed like Lee had 380 different identities. Every single conversation was a whole new lie, a whole new world he made up. And the conversations were just about him, him, him, him, him, him seeking validation, him lying about his life. He literally talked to 380 people. And for each one, he just wanted to brag about this fake life he had. He had 380 separate storylines. And he liked it. I mean, he spent so much time on this. It's just so strange. It's not even him that's being praised and loved by these strangers.

52:44He just got off on it. He got ego boost from them being impressed by his fake life. He also used these lies to seduce women. Investigators said that he had various different girlfriends, which they were following up on to make sure they were still alive. But in the time that he could have spent working a full-time job, he was busy talking to girls. He was almost never single. He very quickly moved them into his apartment, Miss J's apartment. Do you remember how Tara had just moved in with him? Almost immediately before her, there was another girlfriend that had moved in, but she moved out because they had broken up.

53:14He had lived with three different women in the span of five months. Sometimes they only live together for a week before breaking up, And I would be curious to know what these ex-girlfriends say about him. Because if you move in with a boyfriend and you move out in a week, I feel like something happened. That's not really a cordial breakup. And speaking of people who might have interesting things to say about him, Lee had a home inspector come to the apartment recently. He was tracked down and interviewed by the police. I'm not sure how much hindsight plays a role in this, but I'm sure it does to your degree.

53:45But the guy was positively, absolutely freaked out by Lee. He said, During the time I was there to inspect his house, he just kept telling me how his parents died and he inherited a ton of money. I felt weird about it because it's a very personal story and we just met, we're not even friends. But more than that, he was smiling as he told me the story. Like it's eerie to be smiling while talking about the tragic death of your parents, no? The police investigators also uncovered that the guy had married twice before and apparently had a previous child from a previous marriage, which then turned out to be a lie.

54:17The police were sent on another wild goose chase because Lee had told a bunch of people that he had a kid. And so the police were like, we got to track down this kid and make sure that this kid is alive. Turns out Lee never had a kid. He just made up this lie. He would take pictures with a friend's kid and act like it was his. Was he married? He was married twice before. And this is kind of where the police investigation and the netizen investigation, they merge. These marriages are important and they could lead to an answer if he's a serial killer or not, which is kind of bizarre. But just hear me out.

54:47Everywhere in the world, I'm sure it's like this. And serial killer is three victims. So he's one victim. And everywhere else in the world, weddings are expensive, right? And especially in Korea, very expensive. More often than not, the groom side covers the cost of the weddings. So the fact that he had two weddings, the investigators were puzzled at how he could even afford these weddings. His parents weren't rich, like he claimed. He was receiving no financial help from them. He had no job. How the hell is he paying for these weddings? Netizens were able to find pictures from his 2018 wedding as well.

55:22These pictures are being debated whether or not they should even be circulating since he did not give permission for them to be released. Yeah, but I guess he didn't ask permission before he committed murder. So I'm going to put them in the video version of this podcast because who cares? Back to the wedding photos. It's quite a wedding. There's a huge cake. It's filled with floral arrangements and the venue looks really nice. It feels very expensive. so yes every single sign is pointing to the fact that this killer probably has more victims because again how did he pay for this wedding and two of them yeah that makes sense right yeah yeah another reason that the police believe that he has more victims is they found a myriad of items in the apartment that did not belong to miss jay or lee or any of his previously known girlfriends that are alive.

56:10So either this guy is a pickpocketer or a thief along with being a killer or these are sick trophies that he might have accumulated over the years. The police were inclined to believe the latter because they've been going the extra mile to locate the owners of every single item they found, including a pair of shoes in the beginning. Remember? The police had to call and locate all the owners of these random items to make sure that they were still alive. In addition to the 380 people that they need to confirm are alive after being in contact with Lee in 2022. We still don't have updates. It's going to be a huge, complicated process.

56:46I mean, just think about the sheer manpower needed to execute an operation of this caliber. Like, that's crazy. A forensic pathologist close to the case said, it's clear that he's a cold-blooded killer. I think they need to look into the well-being of every single person that may have come in contact with him. He seems to have a record of stealing someone's identity, killing them, leaving them, living with their assets, and then taking out loans in their names. No one should trust a single thing that comes out of this guy's mouth. Psychologists who personally evaluated Lee in prison said that he shows very strong signs of having Ripley's syndrome.

57:18Ripley's syndrome is antisocial personality disorder, or a variation of it it seems, where someone is a pathological liar and fully believes the lies that they tell. This doesn't mean that they're actively in psychosis and can't be held accountable for their crimes. It just means that they're kind of living in a different reality. I guess the difference between someone with this syndrome versus just other pathological liars is the fact that these people tend to not be able to differentiate between their lies and reality. And it typically originates from them not being able to come to terms with their actual reality.

57:51So Lee believes himself to be this wealthy heir and the reality of him not being that is really hard for him to even face. So he might genuinely believe his own lies. it's said that other signs of ripley syndrome are repeated deception or lies general disregard for rules and the law and the tendency to commit criminal acts so scary yeah they're also known to be a lot more arrogant um often lack respect for rules and systems and have a strong superiority complex they're very hot-headed temperamental so this sounds exactly like him yeah literally yeah but also like the 380 identities how many realities realities is he living in that's crazy and i wonder if that's because that's what his brain wants wants to believe the world that he's in it drives him to do these murder just to make that into a reality yeah and maybe that's why he can not disassociate but compartmentalize these murders so well like the fact that he got into that elevator not shaken at all.

58:58Yeah. It's so creepy. Authorities stated that they will be administering a psychopath test on Lee to see where he lies on the scale. Some sources say that Lee even searched up toxic substances and poisoning before murdering Miss J. So I think that should be something to look out for as the case continues to develop because it's still unfolding. We just have to keep an eye out for what's next. But this case does come full circle for a moment. cats, okay? There are a lot of victims to Lee's crimes. And his pets are victims as well. He had three cats and a dog. They were all taken in by the police and placed immediately on the euthanasia list.

59:39And if that wasn't bad enough, I highly doubt that these pets lived good lives where they were well taken care of. There's video circulating once Lee's identity was released of him putting his cat into a pool. Miss J seems to be there and Lee is laughing while he puts his terrified cat into the pool. The cat is squirming and literally dunked in the water and Lee pulls the cat back up and he looks overjoyed. It's just weird because there's not a pool in his backyard or a lake nearby his home, so it's not like he's trying to teach his cat to swim. There really seems to be no reason for this other than pure entertainment.

1:00:11Thankfully, the Korean Animal Rescue Management Association hears of this case and the pets are being put on the kill list. They step in, protect them from being put to sleep. a representative said the number of cases of endangered animals left at crime scenes is on the rise. It's a sad reality that animals cannot directly explain the abuse that they've experienced and are often ignored without legal protection. They're just left as abused animals that were discovered at a crime scene. That's all. There's pictures of his pets being transported out of the crime scene. They look really scared and confused and neglected.

1:00:45The only silver lining to this case the animals, all four of them, have been adopted and they're going to end up with loving families that will protect them from harm but I mean, I just can't imagine how he treated them and that is what we know about this case so far let me know your thoughts in the comments and if you guys want updates on this as it progresses but please stay safe and I'll see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode bye