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Episode Title
#272: Korean True Crime Fan Commits Murder To Know “What It Feels Like” Release Date: May 27, 2023
Episode Summary This episode dives into the chilling case of a South Korean woman, Yoo Jung, who committed murder to experience the act of killing firsthand. The narrative unfolds with the events leading to the murder, the details surrounding the crime, and the psychological implications of Yoo Jung's actions.
Key Events
- Initial Encounter (3 AM): A taxi driver picks up a young girl, later identified as Yoo Jung, who appears to be struggling with a heavy suitcase. She directs him to a park near the river.
- Suspicion Arises: The taxi driver finds her behavior odd, especially her insistence on handling the suitcase alone and the change in its weight.
- Discovery of the Crime: After the taxi driver reports his suspicion to the police, it is revealed she was transporting a dismembered body in her suitcase.
Profile of the Victim
- Hannah: A young woman in her 20s, an English tutor and university student who was well-liked and dedicated to her students.
The Crime
- Murder Details: Yoo Jung, disguised as a middle schooler, arrives at Hannah's home under the pretense of tutoring. She brutally murders Hannah, using a knife she concealed in her clothing.
- Dismemberment: After the murder, Yoo Jung spends time in Hannah's apartment, dismembering the body and preparing to dispose of it, all while appearing relaxed and calm in CCTV footage.
Psychological Analysis
- Yoo Jung's Background: A 23-year-old with an unhealthy fascination with true crime, Yoo Jung had been planning the murder for months, fueled by her obsession to understand what killing felt like.
- Isolation: Yoo Jung was characterized as "invisible" in social settings, avoiding interaction and living a life of near-total reclusion, which could have contributed to her detachment from reality.
Aftermath and Arrest
- Arrest: Yoo Jung was arrested within hours after the taxi driver reported his suspicions. She initially fabricated stories about the victim's identity, even claiming the dismembered remains were that of her baby.
- Confessions: Eventually, she confessed, citing a desire to experience murder as her motive.
Media Reaction and Public Response
- Viral Case: The story gained significant attention in South Korea, raising discussions about the accessibility of tutors' personal information and the responsibilities of tutoring platforms.
- Community Impact: The incident spurred concerns about safety for tutors and prompted many to delete their profiles from tutoring apps.
Psychological Evaluation
- Psychopathy Test: Yoo Jung scored 28 on a psychopathy checklist, indicating serious traits associated with psychopathy, placing her scores close to notorious serial killers.
Discussions and Thoughts
- Media Influence: The episode explores the argument regarding whether media, particularly true crime, can influence criminal behavior, reflecting on Yoo Jung's obsession with crime documentaries.
- Isolation and Mental Health: Discussions around modern societal issues, such as hikikomori, shed light on Yoo Jung's reclusive lifestyle and its potential effects on her psyche.
Conclusion The case of Yoo Jung serves as a stark reminder of the complexities of human psychology, the impact of social isolation, and the concerning rise of violent behaviors stemming from twisted obsessions with crime. The episode concludes with the host encouraging listeners to reflect on the broader implications of such incidents.
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Key Takeaways
- Unpacking Crime Motivation: Yoo Jung's actions reflect deep psychological issues, possibly exacerbated by social isolation and obsession with true crime.
- Community Safety Concerns: The incident highlights the vulnerabilities of tutors and the need for stronger protective measures in tutoring platforms.
- Mental Health Awareness: The case raises significant questions about mental health, societal pressures, and the consequences of extreme isolation in modern life.
Listen to the full episode for an in-depth exploration of this unsettling case.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02It's 3am in South Korea, May 27th of 2023, so literally like a month ago. A taxi driver pulls over to pick up a young girl and her suitcase. He pops open the trunk. He even offers to help her put it into the trunk, but she's like, no, I'm good, don't worry, it's not a big deal, I can do it by myself. She puts it in the trunk, closes it, slides into the back seat, and he glances at her in his rearview mirror. It's kind of late to be going on vacation, and on top of that, her destination isn't even to an airport, or a bus terminal, or anything like that. it's to the local park near the river but who is he to judge?
0:43What time was it? 3am Oh, okay I mean he was just thankful that it was a pleasant, polite, nice young lady rather than a drunk businessman which is typically the clientele at 3am He drives quietly to the park She directs him where to stop the car and she pays him She slides out of the back seat and hauls her own suitcase out of the back of the trunk Again, it looked really heavy really, really heavy She said, no, don't worry about it, sir. I can do it myself. I mean, the physical strength of the youth never cease to amaze this taxi driver. They say their goodbyes. And he watches with a little bit of curiosity as she practically skips into the park towards the grassy field.
1:23What a strange, strange girl. She looked like what? A middle schooler? A high schooler at most? She looked really young. I mean, what is she even doing alone at this hour? And where is she going with the suitcase in the park? He decides to take a smoke break right then and there. He honestly thought that she probably would need a ride back. I mean, no taxi was going to stop in the middle of the park for her to get onto the taxi. It's near the river at 3 a.m. I think nothing good can happen to a young girl roaming around looking for a ride at this time. So he's smoking it up and he looks up. It's been about, what, 15, 20 minutes?
2:01And there she is again. and he's just watching her as she walks out of the park towards him and her suitcase looks very light all of a sudden. Because, you know, earlier it was dragging on the wheels, it was kind of forcing her body to lean a little bit forward to pull it, and now, now it's practically flying around as she's moving it about. The girl asked him for a ride back. The whole energy seemed strange. It seemed like she didn't even notice that it was the same taxi driver and he kept glancing at her in the rearview mirror as he drove her to her destination. Something in his gut told him, this isn't right.
2:39Like something feels wrong. I mean, where would she have gone with that suitcase and why would it be lighter coming out of the park? Nobody just throws away their clothes in the park. She might be a middle schooler, but there is this energy about her. He would alert the police and they found that she had been transporting a victim's dismembered body from the victim's own apartment to that very park. The taxi driver had unknowingly transported human remains, dismembered human remains in the trunk of his car. He had sat in the car with a young baby-faced killer, not once, but twice. Wait, wait, he called the police just because how suspicious it was?
3:19They searched the grassy field in the park. Wow. This case has recently gone viral in Korea for a number of reasons. I mean, just the brazenness of the crime, the CCTV footage of the killer looking like a happy person. I'm going to show this to you. She's just skipping around with dismembered remains in her suitcase. She's got a cute little bob and it's almost bouncing about. People say it's so unsettling because she has this childlike mannerism to her, this energy to her. There's dismembered remains in the suitcase. But also the fact that the killer was stated to have an unhealthy fascination with serial killers and an obsession with true crime documentaries.
3:59She killed, dismembered, and disposed of a victim because she, quote, just wanted to see what it feels like to kill. As always, full show notes are available at RottenMangoPodcast.com, but this is a developing case, and as always, this is the information that we have as of now. Things could change, they could get worse, but I do think that we, I don't know if we'll get too much information considering the privacy laws in South Korea. Also, as per South Korean laws, the victim of this case and her family have chosen to stay anonymous. So throughout this case, we will refer to her with the alias of Hannah.
4:35And with all foreign cases, we had our Korean researchers work on this case to get as much of what we could that's out there and compile it in this video for you guys. So let's get into it. The victim, Hannah, was a young woman in her 20s. She was tutoring high schoolers in English. I would not say tutoring is an easy job, in South Korea, it's a very serious job. Parents are picky, over-involved, very diligent in picking the absolute perfect tutor for their perfect children whom they believe are entitled to be the next Einsteins. So it's a difficult job, but Hannah liked it. She was a university student at a prestigious school.
5:14It worked well with her schedule and it made it easier for her to get a tutoring position to begin with. And she liked being able to help these grade schoolers get interested in English. She made the whole process fun for them and just wanted to be like a cool tutor. That was her genuine vibe. That's her goal. So in 2023, with all of the available apps out there, there is a platform for tutors. Tutors will sign up and they will be verified by the platform for having the specific credentials. They will verify with the school that they're a student. They will verify their transcripts, grades, everything to make sure that these tutors that are online are being advertised, their background checks.
5:52It's basically a tutor securing app that parents are obsessed with. Parents will go on there and they will look for tutors in every single subject for their elementary, middle school, and high school kids. The demand for English tutors was actually pretty high and the pay was fairly good. So Hannah had a lot of parents messaging her, inquiring about her services, including the mom of a middle school student who was, um, this mom was very adamant about hiring Hannah. Originally, Hannah declined this mother's offer because her house was so far away from Hannah's. I mean, she naturally wanted something closer because why commute if you don't have to?
6:27So she said, thank you so much. Like, I'm sure that your middle schooler will find a great tutor, but it's just too far for me. This mom really seemed to like Hannah, though. She even offered to send her daughter to Hannah's house, drop her off for these English sessions. Hannah kind of felt bad I mean the mom seemed really desperate for her daughter to have an English tutor maybe she had an exam coming up maybe she was the only tutor that seemed to fit the mom's profile it was strange but she found it hard to say no besides she really did like tutoring she really did like helping students May 26th of 2023 Friday right around dinner time so right around 6pm Hannah slowly gets her house ready because this is the first day that this student is going to come over and they're going to tutor in English together.
7:14You're kidding me. So she's cleaning up. Yeah. Cleaning up, wiping the table down, and she hears a knock on the door. She peers through the little camera and she sees a preteen student, a middle schooler. Kind of short bob haircut that's curled outwards, like how middle schoolers do it. It kind of stopped at her chin. Her glasses would make her cheeks look even rounder. And in many situations, I think most people would look at this face and think, oh, like what a cute middle schooler. She's got like cute little cheeks. And she's standing there wearing her school uniform. So Hannah opens the door and she's ready to start tutoring.
7:50There would have been no way for Hannah to have known that this little middle schooler that she had just let into her home was not actually a middle schooler. What? Cheung Yujang was her name. She was not a middle schooler. Yujang was not 12 or 13 or even 14 or 15 years old, but rather 23 years old. She could have potentially been older than Hannah. We don't know the victim's precise age. The middle school uniform that she was wearing was purchased at a thrift store. And underneath it, she was hiding a knife. Within minutes of entering, Yujang established that Hannah lived alone. She pulled out her knife and viciously stabbed Hannah.
8:37She repeatedly stabbed Hannah in the neck, only on like a particular spot slash side. That's what a lot of the reports said, which would later indicate to a lot of psychiatrists that she had researched where to stab. She knew what she was doing. She also stabbed the same area on the neck over 20 times. Once the 23-year-old pretending to be a middle schooler finished killing the victim, she relished in the satisfaction of a job well done. She would spend the greater part of the evening at Hannah's apartment, possibly pretending as if this was her own apartment even changing into the jacket that Hannah wore.
9:11Like she took a jacket out of Hannah's closet and wore it the rest of the night. The jacket that you see on CCTV camera is Hannah's jacket. CCTV cameras would catch this 23-year-old Yu Jung going in and out of Hannah's apartment going back and forth from her own place hauling cleanup tools and other times she would bring a suitcase which indicates that while everyone believes that this is a premeditated murder she was underprepared. But more shocking than that was that she was caught on CCTV looking very relaxed. She's taking taxis to and from Hannah's place to her place to the store to buy supplies.
9:47She's bringing around giant suitcases from her house to Hannah's house. She's going to a local store buying bleach, knives, trash bags. See, that's crazy to me because Korea, you're seeing there's camera every corner. Korea is like the city. I'm sure it's similar in China and maybe Japan. Like the city of CCTV. Yeah, right? Like how? What? Yeah, I don't understand either. Yeah, we're going to go down kind of a few conspiracy routes later, but it gets weird. She brings this suitcase and all these supplies back to Hannah's and she gets to dismembering the victim. She spends the rest of the night and into the early hours of the morning doing this.
10:26She then stuffs unspecified parts of the victim's body into a suitcase and hauls a cab. And again, just seeing her with that suitcase out in the streets, just the way that she's walking is so nonchalant. She's almost practically skipping. People say she almost has this childlike demeanor, meaning that if we were to bump into her in the street, we would probably think, oh my god, I just bumped into like a little high schooler. Oopsie, sorry. Like, oh, she looks cute and innocent. She very much had a girl next door, sweet, innocent appearance that had viewers and netizens absolutely floored when they found out what was in that suitcase.
11:03Around 3 p.m., she puts the luggage into the trunk of a taxi, directs the driver to drop her off near a wooded area near Hopo Station. This is near like the Nakdong River, and reportedly the killer, Yujung, she loved going on walks in this park. This was her favorite spot. She gets dropped off by the taxi driver, walks into the grassy area, and starts scattering the remains of Hannah. Seoul University forensic professor would say that even the grassy location by the Nakdong River could have been planned. The tall grass by the water, it holds a lot of insects and disinfectants, like I'm assuming it's like pesticides, that would accelerate the decomposition of the body parts within a week.
11:45So if she had not been caught by then, there's a high chance the body would have been hard to recognize or even how to ID the body. Professor Yoo is quite certain that she knew about all of this, which is why she chose to go this far with the body and even get in a taxi to scatter the remains at this park. Perhaps her frequent walks around this park made her familiar with the area. It made her want to leave a body here. Now, it's all going according to 23-year-old Yoo Jung's plan, except the taxi driver. She believed the taxi driver would not be able to tell the difference between a girl traveling with luggage for vacation at 3 a.m.
12:21versus a girl traveling with luggage full of body parts. The taxi driver would call the police, and it was very quickly traced back to Yoo Jung. In a show called We Want to Know in Korea, it was revealed that another bystander actually saw Yoo Jung throw away this huge trash bag of bloody blankets, bloody leggings, before she walked away with her rolling suitcase. Again, just five hours later, she was arrested. Wow, that was fast. Now, side note, there was a rumor circulating that the taxi driver had gotten out to help Yu Jung unload her luggage from the trunk. And as he was trying to help her, he had touched the luggage and felt that it was wet upon impact.
13:02The rumor was that he got back into the taxi and you know how like the car lights turn on when you open the door? Yeah. And he briefly glanced at his palms and they were dripping with blood. That is a rumor from what I can tell. Someone anonymously came out and said that they were a colleague of the taxi driver and that didn't happen. He just noticed that the weight difference and where she was going and all these suspicious things added up for him to call the police, he did not see blood. He did not feel blood. You know, like for him to call the police, he must have some kind of... Like that gut feeling that you're like, I know I'm not going to be able to sleep at night.
13:35And it must have been so strong. And that must be really, really bad. I wonder if he's actually thinking, oh my God, is this a body? Yes. I did see a lot of netizens say the fact that it speculated it was a male taxi driver. the fact that a male taxi driver that has probably seen so much in South Korea, so many bizarre things at 3 a.m., 4 p.m., 5 a.m., you know, any time of the day. But this little girl with luggage unsettled him so much. Because I think it's one thing if a girl is driving and there's like a creepy man with luggage, we're already on guard. There's always this feeling of like, I always think something is wrong.
14:12But for him to be this upset and unsettled by what looks to be a middle school girl, it must have been bad. There must have been some sort of and I hate to say it like some sort of energy that she was giving off like some sort of weirdness that was happening. Yeah.
14:33So the police rushed to the field where they find the scattered remains and with the help of the taxi driver describing what she looked like approximately where he picked her up and where he dropped her off she was quickly located and arrested. Authorities asked her why would you do this? How could you do this? Who did you do this to? Because at this point, they did not have an idea of the victim. Now, upon arrest, Yujang seemed very calm and collected. She was young, just 23 years old, but when the police were questioning her, she didn't seem that alarmed. She just very calmly explained, well, the dismembered remains that you saw, if you must know, they were my baby.
15:13I delivered a baby at home, and I killed it because I don't want to be a mom, obviously. I'm young, I was going through a psychotic break, and I killed the baby and scattered the remains. I'm not sure how she thought that she could get away with a lie like that, because very easily you could pick up some of the remains. I'm sure that there are medical examiners that can give you, like, a brief, hey, that's not a baby's bone. I'm also not sure how she had so much confidence, even though this is so easily medically debunkable. I mean, her body doesn't even have evidence that she was even pregnant.
15:44So after arresting her, the authorities also found Hannah's ID nearby. This was left near the remains, along with some bloody clothes and other body parts. So now they know who the victim is. They go back to Hannah's apartment. They find more evidence of the crime. And they tell Yujang, like, that's not your baby. We know it's not your baby. Give us the real truth. That's when she starts complaining of stomach pain. She's like, oh, my stomach hurts. Oh, my God, I'm going to die. because she's in police custody. See, this is where the police are better than me because if you've committed a blatantly, like a blatant murder and you're telling me that your stomach hurts, you never told me that.
16:21You and your stomach can hurt for the rest of the interrogation. You're not going to die, okay? Why should I care about you when you don't care about human life? But because she's under police responsibility, they rush her to the hospital and surprise, surprise, she's lying. There's nothing wrong with her. So after the hospital debacle, The police bring her back into the interrogation room and they ask her about the events of the previous night. The police also take her phone and they start searching through it. And, you know, they just have so many questions. Did you know the victim? Did you target this victim?
16:50Why would you do this? How long have you been planning this? Are there other victims? Are you working with someone? She clearly was not being the most honest person. So the police, they start going through her phone. And we're going to come back to all of her lies. But let's go through the phone first. The police check her phone, hoping to get some answers. They found a colorful search history where she had searched online for tips on how to hide a corpse. She also had watched a ton of true crime documentaries, allegedly feeding off on... It said that she just really wanted to know what it felt like to kill.
17:27Yeah, we're going to get back to it. But something the police rarely see was that her phone was empty. Just like everything. Not like she had wiped her phone and deleted everything, but digital forensics revealed that Jung Yoo Jung, her phone, she was not in contact with a single person. She had no contacts in her cell phone, which I know some people don't save contacts, but she had no messages, no calls coming in or out, none, nothing. No friends, no family, no social media interactions. No one was contacting her. in this day and age of 2023 how nearly impossible is that she was truly almost like a ghost Jung Yoo Jung was born in 1999 very young she like a lot of people was born into a pretty volatile house her parents were always busy working they were too busy to take care of her she was sent off to live with her grandfather and he was the exclusive soul guardian throughout her entire childhood which I think is interesting.
18:34So in a lot of cultures and Korean culture as well, it's common for grandparents to move in and raise the grandchildren while the parents are busy working. But her grandfather was listed as her sole guardian. So I mean, that to me indicates whether her parents were divorced or they were not present at all in her life. If it was to the extent of negligence or abandonment, I'm not sure. But the fact that her grandfather was listed as her sole guardian, I think something must have happened with her parents. I'm sure it probably impacted her in some way to not have her parents around, to not having this loving dynamic that a lot of kids have.
19:07But I mean, it's been proven time and time again that a child's first example of a relationship is with the parent. So we don't know. It's just something to consider. Ultimately, we have no idea what happened, if anything, but we know that it wasn't the most stable home. Regardless, growing up, Yujang was regarded as a very specific word that I've never really heard in cases. Invisible. Not just quiet, not just shy, not just introverted, but invisible. Her former classmate said, if you said hi to Yu Zhang in the hallway, like if you waved to her in the hallway, she would never say anything back.
19:44She wouldn't even smile back. She wouldn't nod in acknowledgement. She wouldn't even weigh back. She would basically just ignore your existence. They said that Yu Zhang never spoke or replied to any of her classmates. So if you were a classmate and you were asking her a question and she knows you're asking her a question, the room is silent. and you go, hey, Yoo Jung, can you pass me that? She wouldn't even look at you. She would not respond to you. If it was an elder, like a teacher, authority figure, or even a neighbor, if they asked her a question, she would avoid eye contact and answer just yes or no.
20:16Outside of school, Yoo Jung never even left her home. Neighbors reported almost never seeing her out, walking around, hanging out with friends, going on walks with her grandpa, inviting friends over. Nothing. It's stated, and this is kind of random and super specific, but Yoo Jung hated talking to people but if she were at the convenience store and she was owed like a penny back in change most Koreans stated that they just wouldn't ask for the change they'd be like oh keep the change because they don't want to walk around with this penny they don't know exactly what to do with this penny it's just kind of a hassle Yoo Jung, the person who hates talking would ask for that penny back no matter what that was like the one time she was very vocal she's like give me my penny back which is fine she's entitled to it but people just thought it was kind of interesting to note Anyway, contrary to a lot of speculation, former classmates also stated Yujang was absolutely never bullied.
21:07So as far as we know, nobody picked on her. Nobody forced her to retreat into her shell and go unnoticed. Nobody verbally, physically hit her. Nobody bothered her because she wouldn't even wave back at you. It's like she would just float through her childhood like a ghost. This seems to be like a choice that she made for whatever reason. She would be so good at being unnoticeable that she could walk into a room and no one would look up or even hear anything. Her presence was unknown. She was unseen. She was unremarkable in almost every way. We have no idea if she desperately desired to talk or to say something or wanted someone to listen to her as if she was invisible and she didn't want to be.
21:50She just couldn't stop. Maybe her brain blocked that part of her life or blocked that part of her socialization. I don't know. or on the flip side you could argue that this was a choice she didn't like people this was her own little rebellion to not talk to people she was deliberately ignoring them but she did kind of unsettle her former classmates so they never bothered to get to know her but they reported that she would sit behind curtains alone so like imagine there's a curtain she would just sit behind it just like hiding herself but not really hiding herself because you would see that there's a human behind the curtain and then you would look at the shoes and then you'd be like why is yujang behind the curtain.
22:28Sometimes you would hear crunching noises from behind the curtain and she would just be behind the curtain eating snacks. A professor named Lee Soo-jung was interviewed about this case and as an expert in teen psychology and behavior, they stated that she had unusual behavior for a teenager. They said that adolescent ages are a time of pure curiosity of your peers. You want to know what your peers have to think, have to say about everything, how they dress. You want to get to know everyone your age. You have this like innate desire to understand them because you want to be part of your peers. This is not like anything we've heard.
23:04Yeah, this one's very weird. And it's going to get weirder. So far, it's weird, but it gets weirder. The professor stated that if they were to evaluate this type of behavior, they would categorize it as psychopathic tendencies and or behavior that is being displayed at an early age. So Yoo Jung puts in as much effort into her schoolwork as she does getting to know her classmates. Another thing that stood out to former classmates is that Yoo Jung was never angry. She was never upset. She was never depressed. She never had this like passion against everyone. Like, oh, I don't want to talk to any of you guys because you don't understand me.
23:38I stand out. I'm different. She never had that. She just seemed so utterly neutral about everything. So incredibly passively indifferent. And in hindsight, a lot of people said that might be scarier. But she still managed to graduate in 2018 from the Gyeonggi Girls High School. She had no clue what she wanted to do with the rest of her life, which, you know, is very normal. But she also had zero intention of trying to explore things and figure it out. After she graduates high school, Yoo Jung had no social outlet. She had nothing on her schedule that would force her to interact with people, with teachers, like high school did.
24:15Like, she doesn't have college. She has become totally disconnected from society the day she graduates high school. She would stay in her room all day, no connection with anyone. She would tell her grandfather that she was holed up in her room studying for the public government official exam. But it is clear Yujang used this as a delay tactic, an excuse to have in her back pocket if her grandfather ever noticed that she has no social life, that she's not getting a job, that she has no plans for her future. She would just milk the crap out of studying for this exam for the next five years. Every day, it was, oh, you know, Grandpa, I'm studying for the entrance exam.
24:51She was receiving financial support from her grandfather while she studied. He expected that she would pass, and afterwards, she would find a job. And she would get paid, and hopefully pay him back for all the hard work that he's done because he's a grandfather now. And I'm sure that there were even moments that the grandfather was proud of her because she never spent time hanging out with friends or just doing nothing. she was always studying. She seemed so dedicated to her studies. Now, if you think that he's in on it or gullible or that he should have known, it's a different generation. He didn't even know that you needed to have a college level proficiency in English to even qualify to take the exam, which Yujang was clearly not proficient in English.
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25:31And that's kind of something that is pretty easy to tell. And it might be why she chose her victim. Now, we're going to circle back to that. In 2017, Yujang applied multiple times for a job as a golf caddy. She submitted her resume and wrote, after leaving high school, I started preparing for the college entrance exam. I enjoy being active and meeting other people and I really want to try this role. Thank you. But once she got a call for an interview, she did not say a single word. Even when the interviewer asked her standard interview questions, it was silence on the other line. Silence. She refused to talk.
26:09The recruiter was so confused because she's like, you applied for the job. Why won't you talk? Because you applied for the job. It didn't look good in the recruiter's eyes. And of course she didn't get the job. But when she found out that she was rejected from the position, she went as far as to call them back and curse them out for their decision. She kept demanding to know why, why was I rejected? And they didn't really want to tell her because, well, you were strange. You didn't respond to any of the questions. We thought you were a little weird. They didn't want to say that. So they just said, oh, well, we're looking for an English speaker and you're not proficient in English.
26:46It is speculated that Yoo Jung started developing a hatred for those who were good at English. And maybe this is why she ended up online searching for English tutors to murder. Wow. Her victim, Hannah, was a young, successful, accomplished university student at a prestigious school who was also an English tutor. She was everything that Yujang was not, and that may have been why she was targeted. Now let's talk about her true crime obsession. But first, why was she even obsessed? Because of the lack of any contact on Yujang's phone after she was taken in by the police, the word hikikomori has been coming up in discussions about her case.
27:25And quick disclaimer, I don't think that Yujang was, but there is a connection. We've talked about this previously on the Japanese serial killer cases that we've covered, but since that's been like over a year, let me give you a refresh. In Japanese culture, there is a phenomenon right now where adolescents and young adults have become very reclusive. Usually after graduating high school and into their adult lives, they will live in basically voluntary solitary confinement, usually in their parents' home. Some of them will go years without even talking or running into their own family members that they live with in the same apartment.
28:00Not massive white house with a west wing and an east wing. I'm talking a three-bedroom apartment. Many of them stated they will coordinate their comings and goings out of their room to not run into a single human being. Sometimes these people will also go decades without seeing anyone outside of their immediate family members. Now, according to the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare, Side note, there is no good translation of hikikomori, but the Japanese government has defined it as the state of avoiding social engagement, education, employment, and friendships with generally persistent withdrawal into one's residence for at least six months as a result of various factors.
28:39So while it's pretty difficult to get exact numbers, estimates say that there are at least over 1 million hikikomori in Japan alone, probably close to a million in South Korea and potentially millions in China. Wow. And it's become such a problem for Japan and really everywhere else. But the Japanese government even released a guide for the hikikomori on what to do in the event that their parent passes away. Oh, for them. Yeah. Because there was a case where a hikikomori, his mom had passed away in the house and he did not report her body or do anything. so I was looking through a reddit forum to understand the mindset of the community and I don't think that Yu Jung is one of them and I want to clarify that Hikikomori are not dangerous people Yu Jung is not one of them I mean she could go out she liked to take her little walks in the park the only same consistency that they have is that they had no social interactions with people there is a redditor who wrote if something forced me to go outside like a sudden fire inside my house I would be unable to step outside into the world another redditor said see it sneaks up on you you think it's okay for a month and then you do it for six months and you think it's not that bad then you do it for a year and then two years and then you realize that all of your peers are light years ahead of you economically socially mentally you feel like there's no way you can even try to catch up now so what's the point it's been known to psychologists that the more one doesn't socialize the less they know how it's something that you can technically forget it's like talking you have to learn to talk again and it's this vicious cycle of not socializing for even longer because you forget how to do it and then repeat and repeat.
30:18It's happening in Japan, China, South Korea, the United States. Some behavioral scientists have credited this retreat from society to the overwhelming pressure of succeeding in Asia's work culture after high school. So in China, some people actually attribute it also to the fact that the population has profoundly more men than women, saying that this puts so much pressure on men looking for partners, whereas women can be a lot more selective. so these men decide I don't even want to partake in this game that society plays. I want to completely withdraw. So why is this happening all of a sudden in this day and age?
30:52Because of technology. So back then there were hikikomori in Japan and most of them would read manga, they would watch like DVDs and stuff but now with the internet people feel like they really don't have to go outside. Everything can be done online. They can watch shows, they can watch YouTube videos, They can talk to people anonymously without the threat of feeling exposed or vulnerable. They can go to safe forums that they can communicate with. They can do everything online, especially in places like South Korea, Japan, and China, where everything can be delivered at your fingertips in record time.
31:25It's so easy to never leave. I mean, it's gotten so bad. There's actually services where you can hire young, pretty women, and typically they're hired by parents of hikikomori, and they'll come and try to talk to the predominantly male community. Like, they'll come and talk to your son and try to lure him out of his room. Yeah. It's estimated that this phenomenon is affecting millions of people around the world. And it's honestly very heartbreaking. It's just, it's a very lonely existence, I imagine. And again, I don't think that Yoo Jung can be fully categorized as Hikikomori. But regardless, she probably felt the effects of the lack of social connection and almost complete social isolation.
32:05Which, risk of that is mental health issues like depression, anxiety, substance abuse. You can even get chronic conditions like high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, higher risk of dementia because you're not socializing. And again, just another disclaimer, like most mental illnesses, the hikikomori lifestyle, I mean, this is typically only detrimental to the person themselves and maybe perhaps their family members who have to interact with them and try to provide for them and help them. But most of the time, they are just nonviolent, introverted, modern day hermits. There were a lot of hikikomori that were interviewed and they said, you know, it didn't matter because it just started like one or two days.
32:46I would just stay in my room and be on the internet. And I thought, this is nice. I like it. And then it was a month and then they were thinking, this isn't too bad. And then six months crept in, a year crept in, two years crept in. And then a lot of them report feeling like it was too late. Like they had already ruined their life. They felt like I already spent the most formative years, the most important years of my career. There's no way I can get a job in the competitive Asian work economy. Like people just out of college of prestigious colleges, they can't even get a job. I've been doing nothing for the past five years.
33:21How am I going to get a job? A lot of them report deteriorating health, a lot of weight gain. And you know, when you're in your room and eating cup ramen all the time and just staring at your computer. A lot of them report having a lot of acne and that would just prevent them from going out even more. They felt awkward around people. They felt like everyone was staring at them weirdly. They just felt like they didn't fit in. And the longer it went on, the harder it was to reintegrate back into society. And so most of them just thought, I'm just going to stay with my computer. That's it. That's what I'm going to do.
33:53And Yujang was kind of like that in the sense that she was obsessed with her computer, with her electronics. and she was primarily obsessed with consuming true crime documentaries. Now, I know that most of you guys that are listening to this episode because you have an interest in current events and or true crime itself. Now, I can't speak for you guys, but that's how I started. I would watch a true crime documentary and I had nobody to talk about it with and I just wanted to talk to someone about what I had seen, what it made me feel, how it made me think about the world, how it made me think about the justice system, and I wanted to share these thoughts and stories with someone.
34:26but I think I think like if I really look back on why I started watching these documentaries years and years ago it kind of made me feel like I knew what was out there because like it makes me feel like I know what kind of evil is lurking in the shadows I know what kind of people scary people are out there so maybe I can prepare myself and understand some of the warning signs so it made me feel like I was being proactive in my safety it felt like it was safer to know than not knowing what kind of evil existed. And it eased a little bit of my anxiety. Like that's kind of how I felt. And I read a lot of comments in here that say very similar things.
35:02That is not what Yoo Jung got out of it. She fixated on the killers of each documentary and she asked herself, I wonder how they feel. I wonder how it felt for them to kill. And unlike most of us, she did not have a healthy human level of curiosity where we have other interests in life yujang did not care to even watch documentaries about cases of injustice or about all these cases that have gotten solved that need people's attention or to help bring justice to all these victims families she literally watched these documentaries for inspiration how do we know this though so they found a bunch of true crime in her phone records like shows like digital footprint and that is what a lot of psychiatrists believe and she said that she wanted to feel what it felt like to kill that's another thing there is a conspiracy that she actually didn't kill because she was obsessed with true crime yeah so i think this is where the whole video games argument kind of comes in i don't think that there's a single thing in this world especially a piece of media like a documentary video game or a movie nothing could make me kill someone and i'm sure that the same goes for all of you psychiatrists have actually come out and said we don't know for sure if this is her motive so as of right now she's being labeled as someone who is so obsessed with true crime that she killed someone just to feel how it feels to kill a couple of psychiatrists said we don't know that for sure we think that um a lot of us are connecting these dots because as a society we feel better knowing like kind of what i just said about true crime documentaries we feel better knowing that there's almost a reason.
36:46When we don't know, it makes it scarier. So we're going to get into all of that. But anyways, she escaped her reality to exist and relish in the reality of being a murderer. She would eventually become so engrossed, allegedly, so obsessed that she had made up her mind and she was going to kill to see how it felt.
37:06So we know how the crime went down. She was arrested and she tried to lie and said the remains belonged to her baby that she had to kill. And when that lie was exposed, the police found out who the victim was. She changed her story once more. She stated, I did not kill this girl. I was just hired to dispose of her body. I am not the one who killed the victim. Someone else did it and I'm just helping because they promised me something in exchange. What would they promise you? I was promised Hannah's identity. She's saying, I just wanted to commit identity theft and identity fraud, not murder. Many psychiatrists would later speculate, while this is a blatant lie, she is the killer, but it does give insight into her own thoughts and desires.
37:48She wanted Hannah's life. She was jealous of Hannah's life. She wanted her identity. And side note, police found a digital footprint of her watching the South Korean movie Helpless multiple times prior to the murder. And this is allegedly one of her favorite movies. It's a Korean thriller. The movie is about a couple who are traveling to meet the husband's parents in the countryside of Korea. They end up stopping at this rest stop and getting coffee. And when the husband returns to the car, his wife is gone. She's not picking up her phone. She just vanished. He's like searching through the rest stop.
38:19He finds a little hairpin in the bathroom. She's not in the bathroom. He drives all the way back into the city, goes to her apartment. The apartment looks like it's been completely ransacked. So he's like, what the hell is going on? He gets his cousin involved, who was a former police officer, and they find out that the wife has been stealing other women's identities and is probably a killer. It's like a dark and windy thriller, but the fact that that's her favorite movie, I don't know. Some people say, see, like she really wanted someone else's life and maybe she's trying to recreate the movie.
38:56Others said, what if she's setting up some twisted alibi? What do you mean? Like some psychiatrists believe we can't trust a single thing that comes out of her mouth. So we don't know the motive. We don't even know if she wanted to take Hannah's life because she was jealous of Hannah. They said that this could be a well-spun fabrication. That she was watching this movie to find out her lie. I'm going to lie and say I was trying to steal her identity. So does that make sense? Yeah, so she's just constantly lying. Yeah, I mean it's just we don't know at all. Anyway, the police know that this is a lie, though, that she did not kill Hannah.
39:35She definitely killed Hannah. So they keep pushing, and Yoo Jung quickly changes her story once more, and she stated that she killed Hannah because she got into a fight with Hannah. And the police are fed up. They don't believe this because why would you get into a fight with someone you don't know, and why would you trick them into being your English tutor if you don't even know them? Like, it doesn't make sense. So they did not believe this lie either, and while she's being stalled by investigators, the cops were able to look up her family registry in the system and call Grandpa Jung. the man who raised her.
40:02He rushes to the police station and his whole universe shattered that day. This was his only family. He raised her like his own daughter and he felt like a complete and utter failure. How could he have failed Korea so badly by raising a killer? Grandfather Jung rushed to the station and the police asked him to talk to his granddaughter to get the truth. He cried as he begged his granddaughter to confess to her crimes. He pleaded with her, just admit your sins for me. Do it for me and my integrity. And she, I mean, she had given her grandfather nothing except a lifetime of pain. And Grandpa Jung had given her absolutely everything.
40:38This was the least that he could ask of his granddaughter. And Yoo Jung confessed her crimes. I don't know if she did it for love for her grandfather. I don't know if she felt like this is it. I mean, I'm gonna have to fess up. I don't know what it was. Grandpa Jung would later be interviewed as he was hounded by the South Korean media and he reported I feel really sorry for the bereaved family because I'm a sinner who raised my granddaughter wrong I never expected this situation I never even imagined this When Grandpa Jung's neighbors were also interviewed after the fact one of them reported I mean, the girl was calm, quiet, and kind kind of but the grandpa was a really nice person So it's safe to assume that Yoo Jung was just a bad apple Grandpa Jung was potentially just another one of her victims.
41:26When Yoo Jung confessed to the police, she cited her motivation as, I just wanted to experience murder. I just wanted to know what it feels like. She said that she had been planning this murder since February, so a full three to four months. And with a confession and a crime scene full of illuminating evidence, the authorities prepared for her prosecution. She was officially charged with murder, damaging of a body, dismemberment, and a third charge of body abandonment, scattering of the remains. On June 2nd, around 9 a.m., before appearing before the prosecution, she said two short sentences as the media questioned her for her crimes.
42:01She said, and I quote, I was out of my mind. Like, I didn't have my right mind. I'm sorry for the victim's family. She also ended her press interview with, Thank you. Which professionals believe that she copied from past criminals' interviews, behaviors, and attitudes. Yeah, so a lot of like killers. She acted weird? Yeah, like a lot of killers in documentaries, they'll give press conferences and like end it with a thank you in Korea. And I guess the way she said it didn't feel natural. It kind of felt like mocking behavior. Not mocking, but copied behavior. So many netizens who followed this case as it blew up have criticized her words here, believing that her apology is this pathetic attempt at appealing for a lower sentence.
42:44They said that she was using her childlike innocence or her youthful facial features to try and get away with murder. However, due to this case blowing up, there's a chance that the high-profile nature is going to pressure authorities to sentence her with a much stricter sentence. Yet the length of a sentence doesn't seem to mean much to Yujang. According to police, she's doing great in jail. She's calm and not the least bit scared or anxious. She's eating well, sleeping well, and not feeling much remorse, or at least none that people can see. Side note, netizens were so enraged about this comment that many of them dug into the Busan prison menu, and they found out that the prisoners were eating better food than given to the military during their services.
43:25Oh my god. The menu is high in quality, lots of healthy options, fresh veggies, and even has dessert options. Netizens were wondering how the food is better than the food that they eat at home, and there were questions of, should our tax money really be used in this way? After her appearance in front of the media on June 2nd, her results from a test that measures psychopathy was released four days later on the 6th. The psychopath test was created by a Canadian psychologist, Dr. Robert D. Hare, in the 70s. It's called the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, and it asks 20 questions that are supposed to hone in on your true nature.
44:01Professionals allegedly use it to assess cases of psychopathy, and it has even been described as the single best predictor of violent behavior currently available. The psychopathy measurement test functions on a scale out of 40. So the lower the score, the least likely you are to have traits of a psychopath. So psychopaths, they typically score an average of 25. That indicates a very likely tendency to be a psychopath. I think normal people fall around like the five or six range. But some of the prompts or questions, I guess, include, and you answer them yourself. So you would answer like, oh, I strongly disagree, somewhat disagree, disagree, and then I'm neutral, does not apply, like all these things.
44:41And they would say things like, I generally evade responsibility and do not answer to anyone in my life. Yeah. So that's like really easily you can pick whatever you want. Yeah. So is it in her best interest to fake that she is? I mean, probably not because psychopathy is not related to being in a state of psychosis. You are not like you're still in the right headspace. You just lack empathy and all these other things. but okay and they would say things like i have a grandiose sense of self-worth i have a history of exhibiting cruelty to others and the patient rates themselves on her first evaluation yujung scored 15 points out of 40 and even though 15 is higher than the normal range which is about five to six for a normal person it's still below 25 points which is the threshold for psychopathy however on june 7th she went through a second evaluation and she reportedly received a score of 28 points Some notable comparable scores include Ted Bundy, who got 39 out of 40.
45:45And John Wayne Gacy, the clown killer, got 27 out of 40. So she scored one point higher than John Wayne Gacy. She ranked one point higher than Kang Woo-soon as well, which is a notorious serial killer in Korea. He kidnapped and murdered eight women. He scored 27 points. She scored 28. I will say though, the test has been criticized by some researchers and experts, but regardless of what you think a score indicates or doesn't indicate, it's clear that Jung Yoo-jung was at least not a normal person, and at most a budding serial killer. Police found evidence that she had been contacting multiple tutors.
46:24According to a professor, Oh Yoon-sung, a specialist in criminal psychology, they said if she hadn't been caught on her first kill, there's almost a 100 % chance that she would have killed again. yeah i can see that but the fact that the way she did it for the first time it's so stupid yeah so i think that's where a lot of people say the grandiose sense of self comes into play a lot of these psychopaths sometimes overestimate their intelligence and ability to accomplish things is the speculation because she does she did seem pretty confident in that cctv video It just, yeah, it doesn't make sense.
47:02It doesn't make sense. Now, another criminal psychology professor chimed in to state that they believed Jong Yoo Jung is a pathological liar. The professor even goes as far to speculate that everything Jong Yoo Jung has stated so far, her obsession with true crime, her wanting to feel like what it's like to kill someone, all of that is a lie. All except for the fact that she killed Hannah. That is the only thing that they think we should take as fact. Nothing else should be considered. The professor claims we might not even know how meticulously she's been planning or how far in advance or even what her final goal was.
47:33Another criminal psychologist states it's way too early to determine why she even killed. They said that we as a society are quick to believe her reasonings, not because we are gullible, but because otherwise the message would be that no one is safe from such a random type of murder and monster. And that is more terrifying. Now, side note, on June 8th, the Busan police gave an award to the taxi driver who reported the crime to the police. However, the taxi driver refused to take the prize and he actually quit his job. According to colleagues, media has been looking for this taxi driver like hounding this man down.
48:07People around him said that he's terrified. He has so much trauma from this encounter. He had driven this young woman with dismembered body parts in the trunk of his taxi at 3 a.m. The taxi driver is doing everything that he can to remain out of the public eye. He has not given any public interviews. and some theorize because South Korea is notorious for letting people out, he does not want his name out there because he was that terrified of Jong Yoo Jung that if she is released, he believes that she will track him down and kill him. Is the speculation. Now, as for the tutoring app that Hannah had been utilizing to find clientele, a lot of tutors have deleted their profiles because of how easily accessible the tutor's personal information is.
48:50The original purpose of this app is to assure that the parents have tutors that are actually credible, that are going to the schools that they say they are, that are getting the grades that they say they are. The tutoring app, though, they don't background check or verify anything about the parents, just the tutors. And they responded to these concerns and said, yes, okay, yeah, we get it. But because we cannot verify parents of the students in the app, it's, you know, what can we do? So they've done like little to solve this problem and protect the tutors. And this type of crime is not unheard of in Korea.
49:22In 2022 December, one man faked his identity as a high school student and lured a female university student slash tutor to his house in an attempt to essay her. Reportedly in 2021, one man also faked his identity, kidnapped a university student that was a tutor using a similar app, keeping her hostage for up to a month and subjecting her to many essays.
49:48So this is the case as of right now. I'm sure that there will be more developments, but I don't know. What are your thoughts on this case? I do think, and I'm obviously biased because I'm someone who is deep in this true crime world, but I think it's like the argument of video games. I don't think that there is any piece of media that can get someone to kill. Yeah. And I think the way she went about it and just her callous nature in that CCTV footage, which even on my happy day, I don't think I skip around town like that. It's just very unsettling to know that she had just killed and dismembered someone.
50:26What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments, and I will see you guys on Sunday for the main episode. Please be safe. Bye.
From the publisher
May 27, 2023. 3AM. South Korea.
A taxi driver pulled over to put up a young girl and her suitcase. He watched her struggle to load it into his trunk, but when he offered to help she refused.
They got in the car and silently drove towards the park near the river.
How odd, he thought.
The park at this hour? With a heavy suitcase?
And she looks as young as a middle schooler - what could she be doing?
Because of what he does next - she is arrested for murder. This is the recent viral case of a South Korean woman who posed as a middle schooler to get away with murder. She said she did it - because she was curious. She wanted to know what it felt like…
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