#307: Disturbing Cult Leader That Likes To Play Surgeon & Mutilate All His Followers

25:51Nothing is working. And because of the pain, Rock is a totally different person now. His family said he was unrecognizable, temperamental, argumentative, angry. The surgeries that he went through would actually worsen his condition. He was now diagnosed with dumping syndrome. I've never heard of this. Okay, this is new to me. So dumping syndrome is incredibly rare. It's typically not deadly, but it's an inconvenience and it can be painful and lead to vomiting, nausea, diarrhea. It's when the food moves way too quickly through your stomach and intestines. So after all of his surgeries, Rock develops this fascination with medicine and surgery.

26:27He starts buying books and anything that he could find that dealt with human anatomy, which, you know, I guess isn't the worst thing in the world right now. but mixed with his self-pitying personality, he was insufferable to be around. He made dumping syndrome his whole personality. And after his few surgeries, Francine noticed a few weird changes too. Rock was not even a little bit religious anymore. Like when he married Francine, he wasn't as religious as his dad, but he was still a conservative man because that's how he was raised, right? He said that his wife was the prettiest when she would wear these long floor-length dresses that would sweep the floor.

27:03but now he's like get that off and wear this he wanted her to wear mini skirts that barely covered anything crop tops no bra like it was francine was so uncomfortable not only was she raised super conservative but she's like you know what the hell is going on where's the husband that i used to know this is such a sudden shift during a family gathering he even asked francine's conservative parents hey you guys got a lot of land in your backyard do you mind if i start a nudist cult here. They nearly spit out their drinks, okay? Like, what? But there was no going back. Rock had this newfound obsession with anatomy, sex, and drinking, and everyone thought, okay, maybe it's a phase, like a quarter-life crisis.

27:47But then he starts going on these business trips to sell his wood trinkets. He's like, I can't sell them in this town. I gotta go to the next town. And he would come back with no money, no energy, and suddenly no sex drive. Because it was never a work trip. He was just having intense affairs behind Francine's back. He spent most of his time and money on a woman named Giselle. Giselle LaFrance. And she would be very pivotal to today's case. It was a full-blown affair. He was showering her with gifts, spending money to be with her, making her believe that he was a victim in his marriage. Giselle said that he cried to her, like sobbed actually.

28:23She said he cried and he cried. He said that he was sick and nobody was taking care of him. He had cancer. His wife was always out with other men and she was a bad mother. Eventually, Rock's family home was foreclosed on and Francine decided to file for divorce and take their two sons. She's thinking Rock can go just rot in a nudist camp for all she cares. But he didn't. He just joined another church instead. The Seventh Day Adventist Church, which is a really, really big church. I think right now they have 22 million members worldwide. but I do want to clarify the experience that rock is going to have with this church is just from his local church and I have a feeling that it might not be aligned with most of the seventh day Adventist churches you know so don't let this be the representation of this group of people but rock joined because it was different so there's like two things that he's really intrigued by first of all the church focused a lot on the second coming of Christ and he really loved the Bible's book of revelations.

29:20So Rock loved anything that had to do with the end of the world, a final apocalypse, the battle of good and bad. He was mesmerized by those things.

29:33The other aspect was he really liked that SDA heavily emphasized vegetarianism and having a holistic lifestyle. So no smoking, no drinking, limiting processed foods. Rock was in deep. He starts bringing Giselle to these gatherings, forcing her to change her lifestyle out of nowhere. So they quit smoking, quit drinking, eating meat, and all the members of that specific church are so impressed by him. They're like, within a month, this guy has studied everything we already knew. I mean, he knows our teachings probably more than a lot of the members at our own church that have been coming for years.

30:07He's so passionate about recruiting other members. Wow. Eventually, within a few months, they have him teaching other members about the word. And at first, it went really well. He's passionate. He's charismatic. But then slowly, the older members of the church would go check up on his lessons and they would just get like sneak peeks of things. And it was weird. Rock would be in the room and they're thinking, OK, he's probably like teaching them about how processed foods is so bad for the body and mind, body and soul, that connection, and all of that. But Ruck is like, women are subhuman. Women must obey men.

30:41They are submissive. They are subservient to men. And if they are not, they deserve to be punished. Polygamy. Also great. The local church that he was attending was ministered. So the head person in charge basically was a woman who did not appreciate his teachings. So he was kicked out and he actually took a big hunk of people with him, all really young, around 18 and 24 years old. And this is what's crazy. Okay. I was imagining 18 and 24 year old men because the message that he's serving serves men. A lot of women. Yeah. He just knew how to win over a crowd. I guess he was just very compelling.

31:19In the beginning, he seemed open minded, passionate, fun and kind. He also spoke English and French. Most of his followers only knew French, but he knew both. And that just added another layer of like wow this guy is really special he's really smart how why do they speak french where where are they canada so they have french-speaking provinces yeah but uh rock was also unemployed which like nothing is wrong with that but he would live in giselle's apartment rent-free and now he's bringing all these young followers to listen to him preach in giselle's cramped living room and all these young followers would hang out in her apartment bonding sitting on the couch they would spend the night anywhere in the apartment that had a soft surface it was super uncomfortable for Giselle.

32:01But they all just wanted to be around Rock as much as possible. Giselle hated it. She said, I had to prepare the meals and look after the other girls as if I was their mother. Actually, I think some of them fell in love with Rock the first time they saw him. They touched each other a lot, stroking each other's hair and giving massages. I liked it, but I didn't understand it. It just wasn't the way that things were done in my mother's house. And then they started doing the same things with Rock, caressing him, rubbing his shoulders, and oh boy, that I didn't like. I didn't agree with it at all.

32:32I was getting jealous, but I felt sure that he would never sleep with another woman. I mean, Christ, he's trying to be a pastor. He was teaching me about God and submission and he said, if I truly loved God, I would open my door to all the women and try to help them. He would say, Giselle, if you don't help these people, God will remember. So Rock encouraged all of these followers to call him Poppy and Giselle Mommy. Yeah. Okay, so Giselle was kind of like the first lady of the house and Rock was the president. They start growing this core group of followers. And once they had about eight people like full time in this little commune.

33:07So they had other people, but they weren't like living at Giselle's apartment full time. Eight people. They decide, let's open up a business, the Healthy Living Clinic. And it was kind of like a rehab, but for cleansing, a retreat, if you will. They had this five day program where you would be there eating only organic food, taking alternative supplements and medicine. and there would be these group therapy sessions. A lot of people said, you come out feeling renewed. The cult actually had a really good local reputation for people that weren't even religious. They would even host free vegetarian food drives for the sick and unhoused.

33:40But nothing in life is for free. Even doing charity work. Work is not free, right? How did they afford to keep the lights on and feed the less fortunate? Several of the members left their families, sold their homes, stole from their families, sold their cars majority of their worldly possessions just to fund this clinic one woman even handed her literal child into the foster care system because she was like i don't think i can take care of my child right now and it's just another mouth to feed for the clinic wow she didn't want the child to burden the group's life goals what's their life goal to heal the world yeah but things are very quickly getting weird at this clinic the group therapy sessions were bogus, but nobody could even feel it at the time.

34:25So Rock just loved to hear himself talk and he would give very questionable or vague advice. He was mainly using these group therapy sessions to understand everybody's weaknesses, insecurities. And outside of that, the clinic started advertising itself as the place to go when you have illnesses, even terminal cancer. They're doing this after they've already basically killed Geraldine who had leukemia. So they're getting some business here and there, but most of the time, members were going out into debt to try and keep this place open. So Rock convinces them, we should go live off grid. Not that they really had any choices.

35:02They're about to get evicted. Some of the members are hesitant. They're like, you know what, but I really like living in the city. I don't think that I want to go live where there's no running water. And that just seems really extreme. This is too much. But Rock says, I really didn't want to have to tell you guys, but I saw something. He's like, okay, fine. I'll tell you. The other day I went out into the woods for a meditative stroll to be with God. And I saw this white light peeking out from the clouds. And there was this voice that was carried by the wind. And the voice told me the end of the world is coming.

35:36And I saw a glimpse, visions of violent storms. There will be hail the size of boulders, earthquakes, thundering, lightning. And the ground that I was standing on was sacred land. I have no doubt that this is the voice of God reaching out to me and warning me. The world is going to end and we have six months until February. Christ will be back and the apocalypse will happen. But we have been handpicked by God to be saved. As long as we live off grid in the isolated woods. The only way to survive is to relocate to the sacred land and live under my guidance. Three days after Rock's little vision, The group started exploring the base of a mountain that they would call the Eternal Mountain.

36:18This is not the real name of the mountain, but this is just what they call it because I guess it sounds biblical. But this place was as off-grid as it gets. They would have to hike for two days just to get this spot at the base of the mountains. And they chose it because it's next to this mini body of water that they would need to use for water. And literally, they're at the bottom of a mountain in the woods. There's no trail. And all they had in the beginning were tents. It took them a full week to transport all their belongings and all their tools from the base of the mountain to where they needed to be.

36:47From there, the commune started building these very basic, very primitive cabins, unhygienic conditions. It's just intense. It's just a logwood cabin. They worked 17 hours a day just to get these cabins up. They didn't even bring much food or water because they were so isolated. They were barely getting any sleep. And of course, Rock is contributing zero. Nothing to the work. The only thing that he's doing is inconveniencing his followers by making them hike two days into the town to grab him. Junk food. Do we know how many people were there? At this point, there was probably like 20. At the height, there was like 40.

37:25Wow. Yeah. And are they mostly women? I would say in the beginning, it was more half. And then slowly, it becomes more women. And then slowly, it becomes majority children. Wow. Because they just keep reproducing so quickly. Now, his whole clinic, his whole belief system in the beginning was based off healthy living and no processed foods. But that went out the window. Somehow he convinced them that he would need to eat Doritos and fried chicken for the love of God. Literally for the love of God. And this man's love for junk food was unparalleled. I mean, they really did not have a lot of money.

37:58The whole reason that they're moving into the mountains is not for the second coming. Let's be real. It's because Rock knows that they're out of money and they need to live off the land somehow. But the man loves his lucky charms. He's Cheetos. He tells Gabrielle, this is one of the girls in the group, that's going to be very important. She was a nurse before this. Gabrielle, go sleep with the local supermarket owners so that we can get free junk food. He's basically trafficking her for a bag of chips and a few beers. If any of the members complained or took too long of a break, he would confiscate their food and water for the rest of the day.

38:31And Claude, one of the male members, said, we were always hungry, always hoping that we'd get a fair share for supper. So we tried not to disobey him. Food was constantly on our minds. And this is part of the game of convincing. First, you convince them of this special mission that you have, this crazy vision, and then you deprive them of basic human rights. And when you're deprived of food, water, shelter, these things, you can't even logically think about, wait a minute, I don't think the second coming is coming. Instead, you're thinking, when's my next meal? But even Rock was in a bad mood, okay?

39:08He wanted that cabin fast. And so he was just coming down on these people. If they were not working as hard as he thought they should, he would say, why would you need to eat if you're not working that hard? He also had this genius idea. This is a guy who owns a health clinic. This is a guy that's gonna play mad doctor in a second. He had this genius idea of feeding everybody salt. The idea being, if they have a lot of salt in their system, they won't sweat as much and he doesn't like when they sweat, which this is false, okay? You actually sweat more when you consume a lot of salt. Never mind the fact that you're further dehydrating the members because they had water in food rations at this point and you're feeding them straight up tablespoons of salt.

39:46You could literally kill someone from salt poisoning. Yeah, and it takes more water to process salt. Yeah. So, yeah. And so this is, yeah, health clinic owner. And just the side of this, I'm sure is so ridiculous. So while the other members are sweating, bleeding from their hands, sweat drenching their clothes in the hot sun, Rock is sitting on a chair off to the side eating chips and cotton candy while going on these random rants about how the outside world, their family members, they are all sinners that don't want them to survive the second coming. And they're trying to oppress us. And hard labor and me is going to set you free.

40:23sometimes after a really really long day of work he would make everybody squat on the dirt floor and listen to his nonsensical sermons he was increasing his drinking more and more now that they were isolated so his sermons they didn't even make sense at this point back at Giselle's apartment at least they made sense and now they don't it's just rambles of a madman if anyone even looked tired or their eyes got a little bit droopy rock would whip out a four inch thick wooden club raise it above their head and slam it down. And there would just be like this loud crack echoing through the woods. But the members were convinced that he was doing this for their own good.

41:02So just like that, the cabins are built and it was just a big open room. It's like a very primitive cabin. They had curtains hanging from the ceiling to divide the giant room into smaller sections. The cult members, they start wearing homemade matching uniforms, dark green ankle length tunics for the woman, beige tunics for the men. None of them were allowed underwear. And the whole purpose of the uniforms, Rock said, was to show equality within the group. But Rock is going to wear something different. OK, so Rock is like, I'm going to wear a dark brown tunic made of nicer material that has gold embroidery on it.

41:37And he convinces the group to start calling him Moses instead of Rock. But we're just going to keep calling him Rock. He's convinced the group that he can resurrect people. God gives him visions and that the apocalypse is coming and the only salvation for them is to follow his lead. And so now we enter into phase two of the mind control, the hierarchy. There are two main aspects to this phase. He has to further his narrative of Armageddon, the end of the world, the apocalypse, the second coming, you get it. This is gonna isolate his group from the outside world even more, make them fearful and anxious, more devoted to him because he is safety and security.

42:14And then within his own little system, he has to create rankings for everyone because he has to be at the top. So if everybody's equal, they could have equal conversations of, wait a minute, guys, some of the stuff he's saying isn't really making sense. But if they're constantly in a state of trying to up and get ahead of each other in the hierarchy, they're going to be jealous of each other. They want to fight for his attention and praise. It gives them a mission to do better within the group, to rank higher. And he starts doing that. He starts giving everyone new names, biblical names. which is interesting because Rock at this point had basically abandoned the Bible like he's picking and choosing which parts serve his message the best and disregarding everything else is basically fake news but he gives them new names and starts assigning them literal ranks so for a while Giselle had because this is his wife she had de facto highest ranking compared to all the other women but that would not last very long October of that year so t-minus five months before the end of the world.

43:15Giselle was six months pregnant and tasked with guiding the other woman to enlightenment. A lot of the women said, you know, even though we're technically married to some of the other men in the commune, I know that that's what Rock felt was best for us. I just feel lonely. I haven't been able to connect with them. It's not really a real marriage. And I think I yearn for that sort of connection. So Giselle goes to her husband and is like, we got to help these girls. They're so lost and they feel so empty. And so Rock is like, okay, I'll help them. by sleeping with them. Giselle found out that while everybody was out working, including herself, when she's six months pregnant, Rock and another girl named Nicole were in the cabin doing it.

43:56She was so pissed off. She bolted right out of the cabin, started running into the woods. Rock ran after her, threw her on the ground, strangled his six month pregnant wife. And he screamed, my name is Moses and I am your master. You will obey me. And if you don't do what I tell you to do, the Lord will crush your skull. He didn't stop until Giselle promised to come back to the cabin and she really didn't have a choice. Her standing in the hierarchy was about to change. Rock started impregnating all the other women and they were just in like constant states of pregnancy. Sources vary on how many children Rock ultimately had, but it's generally accepted to be somewhere between 26 and 30 kids.

44:36He also started unofficially marrying all the women in the cult. He did it openly and there was nothing a single person could do about it. And one of his favorite things to do was pit the wives up against each other, make them fight for his attention and love. I mean, they would point out every mistake that the other wives made to Rock so that he would physically punish them. And then they would be seen as the favorite, like everyone's fighting to be the brown noser. They went over and beyond trying to please him. Some of them would even give up their own children if Rock wanted them to. there were only two women in the commune that he did not sleep with.

45:12One of them was a woman named Maurice. Now, Maurice was the only one that hated being there. She was not there willingly. She joined because her husband, Jack, was in the cult. So she's like, okay, my husband and my kids are here. So what am I supposed to do? And she was constantly begging him, like, can you take us back to civilization? Like, we can't live in a cabin in the woods with our kids in these unsanitary conditions. She didn't even particularly find Rock's message compelling. kind of thought that he was a creep, she would naturally become the lowest rank in the hierarchy for the sole reason that she saw through Rock's bullshit.

45:44And she was the scapegoat for Rock. Something goes wrong? Well, of course it's Maurice's fault. He starts pulling her husband, Jack, closer and whispering in his ear nonstop that Maurice was on the other side. She has a birthmark on her stomach. Rock was convinced that the birthmark resembled the number 666, the devil's number. for that reason Rock told Jack that he had to move Marisa away to her own little dingy shack away from the group she can take care of her two kids over there that aren't fathered by him because Rock only likes kids that are his and she's influenced by the devil he also forbid the two from sleeping together and he would actually egg on Jack to beat his own wife and he would say things like you don't know how to treat a woman like your wife and the whole thing was really bizarre.

46:30Members said that Jack would beat his wife, Maryse, and then constantly glance over at Rock for an approving nod or a smile. And then one day, Maryse waddled into the kitchen. So she's heavily pregnant with Jack's baby. She got pregnant before Rock forbid them from being intimate anymore. So she's like six, seven months pregnant. And she sits down, eats her small stack of pancakes on the plate. Barely enough food for one person. Definitely not enough food for two people. She gets up, grabs a few spare pancakes left on the counter. They're like tiny little pancakes. They're not even yummy. She's starving.

47:03And while she's eating, Rock walks up to her, punches her on the side so hard he broke two of her ribs while she's pregnant. Maurice falls to the ground in pain and Rock just stands over her, soaking in her agony. He never said that she could have more food. So she deserved the punishment. this point marie said enough she starts begging her husband jack like we gotta go we cannot be here i can't do this anymore jack goes and tells rock what his wife is thinking and rock is like oh perfect i have been itching to teach somebody a lesson bring your wife to me immediately he gets the couple in front of each other and hands jock an axe it's only fair since she's your wife that you were the one tasked with disciplining her jack is like i don't think i follow what you're saying cut off her toe jack immediately turns pale ghostly white he starts shaking his head backing up from the axe but rock walks up straight into his face and smiles and he's amused he's like having fun with this he says what are you insert homophobic slur don't you have balls if you want to be a man you got to teach your woman a lesson jack starts crying and Rock tells him, well, if you don't cut off one of her 10 toes, I'll just chop off all 10 of her toes.

48:23Is that what you want? Jack felt like he had no other choice. Maurice knew that she couldn't outrun them. She's heavily pregnant. They're in the middle of the woods and she had seen what happens to members when they're attempting to run and get caught. So she's forced to lay down while Jack takes an axe, her own husband, and slams off her pinky toe. And Rock says, oh, a new rule. You two are forbidden to talk to one another unless I'm present. That goes for everyone in the commune. No one is allowed to talk to anybody else unless I am present. And to really solidify the hierarchy and rankings, Rock played games.

49:01He basically created his own torture Olympics out in the woods. Gladiator level games where he would torture the group physically and psychologically. Rock was a sadist. Like there's no other way to put it. He loved putting people up against each other, playing mind games. and he really loved unique ways to torture people. He liked getting creative with it. He would go out into the dirt and draw this big square and he would have his followers wrestle inside the square naked. It was like a fight club atmosphere for his own entertainment. He would give them three minute intervals to just pummel each other while he watched.

49:34Or he would instruct one person to get on the ground and the rest of the group would just jump that person. If he didn't have the energy to watch, he would force his members to get naked and just stand in the icy snow for hours. He would hand out knives to every single person except for one. And they would say, OK, we're going to go kill this person now. Run into the woods. We're going to find you and stab you. And right as they're about to be stabbed to death, he's like, just kidding. It's like he loved this power. The last second he would say, just kidding, I can do whatever I want. Sometimes he would come up behind his followers and douse them with boiling hot water.

50:11and then force them to sit on stoves that were on. He also really enjoyed humiliation. He would have all of his members lay down on the floor and he would urinate and defecate on them, force them to eat each other's feces and dead mice, force each other to be human toilet paper rolls. He pulled out half their teeth with pliers, forced them to engage in group adult activities and sometimes including all the offspring. So moms, kids, dads, everyone. it's claimed that he made one of the members engage in bestiality at one point, which is the act of explicit activities with animals. They were told to smear each other with other excrements.

50:57And if you're like, how? Why? Like, how are they okay with this? Rock convinced them that he didn't want to do any of these things. He didn't want to make them do any of these things. By nature, he hated violence. It was against who he was. But he was a messenger, a vessel for God. And God was very mad at them. After these crazy torture sessions, he would run outside the cabin, fall to his knees dramatically, and he would cry, God, please stop using me as a vessel. And the group felt so bad for him. They felt like, you know, we have to endure this level of torture because when the world finally ends, we will have proven ourselves to God and we'll be God's chosen ones.

51:40And technically, he's just whipping the sins out of us. To them, torture was purification. This was not abuse. This was cleansing. To show you how intensely they believed in this, one of the followers wrote a letter to Rock after a particularly brutal night, and she was brutalized as well. She wrote, Good day, Moses, my master. I would have liked to have talked to you yesterday evening, but I think it's preferable to write these things down rather than say them for fear of talking too much. I'm going to talk to you about the last bit of anger that your master exercised through you. I really believe that it did not come from you, but from someone much higher.

52:16For my part, I really believe that you were possessed by a very powerful spirit. That's what I saw in what you did. The throwing of the knife, shooting us, the harm done to mommy. My eyes saw things that went beyond them. I am very well and very happy to belong to the real master who himself belongs to the only master of life, God. Love, Solange. Solange is reassuring Rock that they all knew that he didn't want to abuse them, that it was God's doing through his body. He was just a vessel. He was a messenger and he hated it. That to him was his own torture. Everyone was walking on eggshells around Rock.

52:57They didn't know what was going to set him off, what he was okay with. To give you an example of how terrified they were, they would write letters to Rock and they called him Poppy and they would apologize literally for eating too much, being hungry, not being pretty enough, not being skinny, talking too much, literally everything. One letter reads, Hello Poppy, I'm writing to you about what you said on the subject of nutrition. It is very true that I nibble, a damnable fault that I will never again repeat. I ask that you forgive me. If it is stealing, I did not realize. It is my fault that causes my plumpness.

53:28I do not want to be a fat and plump servant that is too ugly next to the man that you are. I will not repeat these actions. I wish to be a true servant to you, Master, alert, vigorous, and with a clear and lively spirit, and, well, balances to serve you every moment of my life. Thank you, Poppy. I love you. Another reads, adored Poppy and well-loved Master, I am happy about the lovely family that you have formed and have allowed me to join. I am slime. I am less than nothing, and I beg your pardon for the errors of my flesh. I love you, Poppy, and I will love you eternally. Another one would read, Dear Poppy, I feel happiness belonging to you.

54:07I thank the Eternal for giving you the breath of life. You never make mistakes. If you were not here, where would I be? I laugh because I love you. I cry because I love you. All my joy is to be forever close to you and give you what you desire. Another, My master, my king, you are the most handsome, the greatest, the best loved of the kings of my heart. And these were written to Rock after he murdered a child. The newest person to join the cult after they moved into the mountains was a man named Guy Veer. Now, Guy had a history of depression and mental health problems, and he sought out the group.

54:45So he had seen Rock on TV because they're doing like TV interviews. We're going to get into that. He saw Rock on TV talking about his prophecies. And Guy was like, I love this message. So he trekked through the woods to find this cult. and he was like, hey, can I join you guys? And Rock is very intrigued by this guy who just like came out from the woods. How did you find us? What? This is weird, right? He starts taking him through all these random tests to see if he's worthy of being allowed in. He passes, but Rock is not satisfied. He makes it very clear to the group that Guy is not their equal.

55:17He is allowed to join the group, but he will live in the storage shed. He will not be allowed to celebrate with us. He will only get one meal a day. He will also be the new designated babysitter of the animals. That's what he called them. So remember how I said that Rock had a lot of kids with a lot of different women in the cult? Well, there were a few kids that people had brought into the cult that were either like Maurice and Jack had a few kids and then some of the moms had brought in kids that weren't rocks. And he called them the animals. He literally hated them. He would beat up them whenever he was bored.

55:51He told everyone that they were nothing but a waste of space, extra mouths to feed, so they had to be useful somehow. and they were controlled by the devil. So he had to beat the devil out of them. So he says, guy, you're going to go watch over them. Not because I think you're a good babysitter, but because you're not. That's the whole point. That was his whole point. He's like, guy seems unhinged mentally. So you get to go watch the kids. He chose the person that would do the worst job at watching, quote, the animals. So March 23rd, a month after the great disappointment. Yeah, March 23rd. Did you get that?

56:23The world did not end. The world did not end in February. But Rock was like, you know what? You know why the world didn't end? It's not because I'm not the Messiah. It's because God's time system and the Earth time system aren't the same. So I got to spend the next few months working out these time calculations. But you're still going to die unless you follow me. So I'm just saying. Rock was excited March 23rd. And the whole cabin was going to be decorated. They were going to have this huge celebration because do you remember Rock's two kids with Francine when his life was kind of normal, right?

57:00Rock Jr. Yeah, Rock Jr. and Francois. They've now gotten older. They're 8 and 10 years old. They were both going to come and live with Rock. So they had little stints where they would come and live with Rock for a little while and then they would go back. At one point, Rock had basically kidnapped them to live in the commune. And when they were sent back to Francine each time, she noticed that they were just uncontrollable. like they were malnourished they were showing crazy signs of abuse and they were acting out and so francine is like i can't do it anymore go back to your dad so they're gonna officially come live with rock for good yeah and he loves it and he's so excited he got them special tunics to wear because this is his full flesh and blood i guess his first two sons they're like his heirs and yeah it's gonna be a whole thing in the hierarchy his sons these particular sons are above all others I think it probably has to do with the fact that their mother was not in the commune.

57:54Because if one kid in the commune is favored over the other, then the mom would kind of get de facto higher hierarchy, I'm assuming. So I guess this was a way to like show everyone in the commune. See, you guys are losers. Look at my kids. Anyway, that day, everyone would be celebrating except Guy Veer because he would be watching the animals because they're not invited. So they would stay in the storage cabin and just stay quiet for the rest of the night. and the rest of the hierarchy, they would enjoy the celebrations. Now, there are two versions of what happened that night. The first version is that while everybody was at the party, two-year-old Samuel started crying, disrupting Guy's sleep.

58:32Samuel is Jack and Maurice's baby. Guy wakes up super pissed, starts freaking out, starts screaming at two-year-old Samuel, which only makes him cry harder. And that resulted in Guy punching Samuel four to five times in the face really hard. The first version claims Rock and the others found out about Samuel's injuries the next day and just wondered why Samuel suddenly couldn't swallow food, why he couldn't sit up like he normally did. And they said that Samuel's head just kept lulling back and forth on his neck and his private parts were swelling up. So Rock decided, out of the goodness of his heart, that this baby probably had a UTI, could not urinate, and he took it upon himself to create an incision with no medical experience, took out a pair of scissors, snipped away at the private parts to let urine come out, and sadly Samuel would die despite Rock doing everything to save Samuel's life.

59:23Then there's version two, the much more likely version of events. It was told by Giselle and the version is in the book Savage Messiah. Now Giselle said, yes, Samuel's face was beaten and bruised the next morning, but other than that he was fine. But out of nowhere, Rock announced that Samuel needed to be circumcised. So he grabbed a cotton swab, poured rubbing alcohol on it, and pressed it into Samuel's mouth like a sedative. Then he went to perform the operation. Samuel did not receive any painkillers. He was in excruciating pain in the last moments of his life. But he did not die from the operation itself.

59:59His cause of death was actually from alcohol poisoning from the swab in his mouth. Wow. So for two years, baby Samuel had known nothing but misery and the feeling of being unloved and hungry. And then he was killed in like the worst way possible. When Maurice and Jacques found out about their son's death, it said that they paused for a brief moment before resuming their work. So again, we don't know if this is because they knew any sort of emotion would have brought on more torture to them and potentially other of their children because they had a few more kids or if they were genuinely at a state where they were so detached.

1:00:37It's unclear. At dinner, Rock offered to help burn Samuel's body to keep wild animals from picking at him. Maurice and Jack just nodded and said nothing else. And everyone else went back to normal as if nothing had happened until six months later. The trial. Rock woke up and had his wives dress him in his best, Sunday's best, black tuxedo. It was the big day. He was going to watch Guy take the stand and plead for his life to not be found guilty of Samuel's murder. Yeah, Guy had been arrested. guy pled not guilty and it was his job to convince the jury to spare his life so after an hour the jury comes back with a unanimous verdict that guy was found not guilty by reason of insanity what rock stood up in shock and he was pissed rock was like how can you not see how guilty this guy is of killing samuel and he pointed at the jury which were his children And then he pointed at the prosecutor, Giselle.

1:01:38And then the coroner, Gabrielle. This guy is having mock trial. And he screamed, not good enough. He must be castrated. The jury went back to vote on the punishment of castration. They came back 7-3 in favor of castration. All the people that just voted for not guilty by reason of insanity, now with Rock's urging, they were out for blood. Literally. So Rock turned around and it said that he was able to turn on his charm and sympathy like that. He walks over to Guy and he tells him so nicely, Remember all the headaches that you were complaining about? Guy's like, yeah. Well, that's from your excessive love and passion for self-fulfillment, if you will.

1:02:18It's also why you're having respiratory issues. They're all connected. Rock was encouraging him to get castrated, almost building this new vision for Guy. He's saying, right now, you're the bottom of the barrel. You are basically a slave in the hierarchy. But if you're castrated, you would still be kind of a slave, but more of like a eunuch. And that's better than being a slave. Marginally better, right? So eunuchs typically are castrated servants and they are a bit more trusted by rulers to not have strong private interests. Basically, you have no family. You probably won't be king because everyone knows that you're a eunuch.

1:02:51You don't have romantic ties typically. So how can you betray the king? That's a very casual gist of it. But Rock is like, think about it. You could be a eunuch and it's going to be better for you. Guy is hesitant, but Rock takes that as a yes. He hands him a piece of paper to write, I consent to being castrated. and has him sign it. Yeah, okay. Guy signs it and Rock has him lay down on the kitchen table. Gabrielle, get the tools. The tools are an elastic band, a razor blade, a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers along with rubbing alcohol. Rock ties up Guy's parts with elastic and just slices everything off.

1:03:29And it's not even a clean slice. It's like a back and forth slice. Wraps it in a Kleenex and walks off. Guy is in so much pain. He was forced to do salt water compresses every 20 minutes to make sure it didn't get infected. And he never complained about another headache ever again. He survived. Yeah. Wow. So at this point, Geraldine, the patient with leukemia, had died. Another member who had MS also ended up dying. This was earlier on. And now Samuel is dead, baby Samuel. And Guy has been castrated. Like there's a lot going on in this group. and you would think that if this is how they're living out in the woods, it would be in their best interest to just keep quiet and not make any noise, right?

1:04:13But Rock was interviewed by Radio Canada one day and this is around the time of the Jonestown Massacre. So a lot of people are on edge about cults and how deadly they can be and the minute the police catch wind of this little commune in the mountains, they're watching them like hawks. But there's really nothing they can do about it because technically they're not breaking any laws. So after the radio interview, the police are able to bring in Rock and one of his followers, Claude, for psychological evaluations. This interview was enough proof for the police to be like, we don't know if this person is unhinged.

1:04:42So by law, we can have them evaluated. The psychologist said Rock has mystical delusions that could point to schizophrenia, but he is not a current danger to society or himself. So legally, they cannot keep him involuntarily. It is not a crime to have mystical delusions. So the police are just forced to let him run back into the woods. Like the little freaking menace that he is. There were other small reports made to the police about the group. Rock would fail to pay businesses for goods and services. Some of the group's family members called the police to request wellness checks. But the police couldn't really do much.

1:05:18Like they needed a very strong reason to raid the place. And they got it when Rock went on another radio show. So like think of a cult leader just like doing pod interviews nonstop. Like what? and in the interview he's going on and on about his prophecies and how the world is ending and the police are like okay now we can raid eternal mountain he's talking about the world ending he's not even just talking about how they're living off grid 10 police officers and a helicopter barge into eternal mountain and this part is really sad parents of some of the cult members were flown in via police helicopters to convince their children to leave the cult to come back home but they were met with a cold shoulder one of the moms of one of the members was actually sprayed with bear spray which is worse than pepper spray wow yeah like they had been brainwashed to the point of genuinely hating their own families the place was raided rock was arrested for obstruction of justice he went through another psych evaluation where doctors had mixed diagnosis of his mental health one doctor said yeah this guy has schizophrenia for sure and then another doctor was like this man is a nice person and society is so judgmental.

1:06:30The whole time during that psych eval, Rock was turning on his charm, telling the doctor, I'm actually a savior. Not in like the prophecy messiah kind of way, that's silly, but in the sense that these are all kids that were getting into and going off in the deep end and I saved them. I put them on the right track, teaching them hard work, hard labor, how to eat well, how to take care of their bodies. We're just a group of lost souls that found each other and were making a home together. The doctor went as far to describe Rock as a renaissance man, saying that he was bright, inquisitive, and had a sensitive nature.

1:07:03So basically, Rock got off with a slap on the wrist because of this doctor's findings, and the media starts running with it. They start calling Rock the mysterious gentle mountain man. Okay, so I think also there's like a trend in media, and at that point in time, there was a trend of like, we shouldn't discriminate people because we don't believe in the same things that they believe in, which is I don't think it's a trend. I think that's a really good value, right? But they were like, kind of going off the deep end on it. They were like, the man is being discriminated against because he doesn't fit into societal norms.

1:07:36He and his group just want to be one with nature. And technically, aren't we all brainwashed to a degree? Aren't we all living in this disgusting brainwashed capitalistic world where everything is about mass production and technology and they are so misunderstood it's crazy but around this time the eternal mountain or they called them on the media the holy mountain family became a bit of a tourist attraction people liked their quaint log cabins and medieval looking tunics so every single day about 75 to 100 tourists would try to hike into the mountains to find them and just watch them from afar what like they were circus animals oh my god yeah but that's not to say that everybody just loved the cold and couldn't get enough.

1:08:19There were a lot of skeptics, including one journalist by the name of Debbie Villica. She said that she trekked through the woods to try and get an interview with the commune. And when she got closer, they started shooting at her in the woods. So she was like, stop shooting. She finally emerges from the thick woods and she sees all of Rock's wives just super pissed off at her. And this is fascinating because most sources describe Rock's wives as being very weak and timid, mild-mannered. And while I can agree with their assessment, it's fascinating how much they're willing to do for Rock. So when the reporters get there, they see them as a threat to Rock.

1:08:54So they become really nasty, angry, just mean. And they keep yelling at her like Rock is going to be upset. Now, Debbie had come with another reporter and they end up feeling like, we got to do something about this, right? They burst into one of the cabins where all the kids are. There's like 12 small kids. And Debbie was so freaked out. She said there's 12 pairs of eyes just staring at her and none of them felt human. Like it's dead silent. Not a single kid is moving, talking, fidgeting. And there's infants in this group. It was weird. It was, they were so still, it was odd. Before Debbie could interview the moms or ask questions, Rock comes in through the door and offers to give Debbie a tour.

1:09:34And it just all felt like a show, Debbie said. His way of speaking was just so philosophical. Using all these grand metaphors, he gave Debbie this long-winded philosophical explanation of why things were the way things were and he said if you go downstream the waters are muddy from people walking through it drinking from it messing it up but if you come up to my source of the river it is clean and by coming to the source you have come to me and you have come to the truth what does that even mean Debbie was not impressed she thought this is just one big con man he would say really self-pitiful things like, I have chosen this way of life.

1:10:08I know I am destined to suffer. Any person who believes in something with his heart that is different from others will suffer. Debbie is like, yeah, yeah. Suffering by having a bunch of wives worship you and do all the chores? So she asks, and the truth is you need to have multiple wives in order to be the source of the truth? These are not conventional marriages. The women love me and I them. And the babies, they are a result of our strong love for one another.

1:10:35during interviews rock would do this thing where he would sit on one of those rocking chairs and he would have one of his one bajillion kids hop onto his lap and say i love children he would say this which i that's alarming when people say i love children i'm like no you don't or you do for a weird reason because it's just like a very odd thing to state like i love children sir you're in a cult. That's what we're investigating you for. He talked about how his wives are such a big part of his life. And all of this is a mutually agreed upon decision between all of them. And he said, in fact, as we speak, there are three more babies on the way and we plan to deliver them through natural birth on our land.

1:11:15I love my current seven wives and they love me. It is natural. Babies come. There was also an eight year old that lived on the commune and she was not, I believe she was Maurice's daughter, right? So she's eight. She's not Rock's daughter. And Rock briefly talked about how he was going to marry her eventually. And the journalist asked, like, at what age? And he just smiled. And a lot of the interviews, not just with Debbie, but later with other reporters too, most of them were done in English. None of Rock's wives knew English. They had no clue what was being said about them. And the whole vibe was just very unsettling.

1:11:50Debbie did not believe a single word that he said. There was not much anyone could do about it. until Guy escaped. Guy is the one that was castrated that was involved in Samuel's death. He escaped even after his castration when he was promised that he would be treated better as a eunuch. He wasn't. He was regularly jumped by the group and like doing all this dirty work. So he runs out. He tells the police that there's a dead baby in the commune and he didn't describe in detail the truth. He said that the baby was kicked by a horse and died because I guess he was scared that he was going to get arrested.

1:12:22Now, it was enough for the police to raid the whole place. Rock and six other members were arrested. Most of the children were placed in temporary protective custody, but the group was calm. They showed the authorities the paper that Guy signed consenting to castration and they all had the same story. Samuel was assaulted by Guy and that's how he died. They even told the cops about the mock trial and that's, you know, why he was castrated. It's honestly unhinged that they were talking about it so casually. The authorities would later say, it is unnerving how everyone in the cult seems so uncaring like no one was shaken up remorseful embarrassed or even upset by what they were talking about gabrielle would later say you know at the time we were no longer human beings we could not even think properly because what you go through is fear second after second minute after minute hour after hour for years you stop becoming human do we know how long they're in the woods for yeah for years yeah um some of them well each member leaves at different points but it's complicated because they're going to get arrested and then they're going to go back into a different set of woods but some of them would be in the woods for like a decade living like this for like a decade yeah so they were tried in the real court system not a mock trial and seven members of the cult were found guilty for the death of two-year-old samuel they were found guilty of a lot of other charges as well obstruction of justice for burning samuel's body child neglect for the children at the commune Bodily harm with the intent to mutilate guy.

1:13:52And for the next few years, Rock would be imprisoned. Their cabin in the woods would be destroyed. They would all be evicted. And everyone thought, okay, this is it. This is the end. Horrible, but this is the end. But no, the commune stuck by Rock's side. They rented out apartments near the prison and they would visit him as often as they could. Giselle took on the role of de facto leader, head. She worked on keeping everyone in town, everyone in the apartment, maintaining their support and morale for Rock. Rock would constantly call them to remind them of how much he loves them. And he can't wait for them to be reunited.

1:14:27And this is God testing them. See, that's a trend with all these religious cults. Arrest is a test. Arrest is not a testament to guilt or a crime being committed. It's like, can you get through this? You have to get through this to prove that you're someone special. He gets out in about two years, which is insane. That's literally nothing for the charges that he was facing for like the crimes that had happened. He reunites with his members and he wants to find a new sacred land in a plot of land next to the Burnt River. It's in Ontario. It's 200 acres of property. So Rockin is 22 remaining followers.

1:15:09So prior to this, there were like 40 of them. Now it's like 22. three men nine women ten kids they head to another isolated off-grid location and side note while all of this is happening again the apocalypse came and went and like these people are still at this point so indoctrinated to the point where they don't see the truth now we enter into phase three this is when they get to their new isolated home this is the point of no return this is the scariest phase. This is when it's just full indoctrination and Rock can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, with no reasoning. He starts his game of punishments.

1:15:46This is when he doesn't need to justify anything. He doesn't even have to act remorseful afterwards. He stops all of that. What he really wants to do now is play doctor. So side note, the cult name, the Antel Kids, actually comes about around this time that they moved to the Burnt River. They were busy building another cabin structure out in the woods and Rock is sitting there eating junk food and all All the members, including women and children, are scrambling to make these cabins. And he thought it was so funny. He thought it was really hilarious. He said they all looked like worker ants putting together a colony, like scrambling around.

1:16:18So he dubbed them the Angel Kids. The group built the cabin, made their own wooden tables, bed frames, chairs. I mean, this commune was definitely a bit more elevated. They had a cellar under the cabin where they stored vegetables. They grew corn and potatoes. They had a wood stove and oil lamps around the cabin. they designed jackets with large interior pockets so that they could go into the town of Somerville and steal whatever they wanted including meat and processed foods again, things that they started hating in the beginning of the cult nobody in Somerville knew who these people were and what they did in their past commune and Rock decided that they would open up their own little bakery to make money so they started selling pastries and fruit and it was kind of cute, I guess, to outsiders he named it Ant Hill Bakery and from the outside the locals just thought oh like what a cute bakery of a bunch of harmless hippies who are just trying to sustain a livelihood off grid so now with the new cabins built a new business that can at least feed them rock is getting bored he brings back torture olympics full force he's constantly beating the kids he would single out random kids usually the ones that he didn't father and sometimes even his own kids for whatever reason he would just hate one of them randomly and say, this one is marked by the devil.

1:17:34It got so bad on a cold morning, January 26th. It was about 14 degrees outside. Gabrielle, who was a nurse prior to all of this, she had a five month old son with Rock. Rock hated him, called him an evil child, the mark of the devil. He would constantly beat him saying he was beating the devil out of him. So Gabrielle, to spare him from a life of torture and pain, decided to lay him in a wheelbarrow and leave him outside in the freezing cold. He died from the cold. His eyelids were frozen shut. Rock was also essaying the kids. I mean, essay in this cult was rampant. It was really, really bad. I guess Gabrielle genuinely thought that she was saving her kid from a life of torture.

1:18:19Rock was absolutely brutal with the kids. When he was drunk, he would just grab his own babies, hold them over open fire. He wouldn't even be staring at the baby. He would stare at their mothers. his wife's faces and he thought it was hilarious the way that they would cry and beg him to not hurt their own child but to hurt each other's child really pitting them up against one another other times he would pick the kids up press them up against a tree nail their clothes to that tree and tell the other members to pelt them with stones or torture them by stabbing them like next to the tree bark so they're not getting stabbed but it's psychologically very damaging he would even turned the kids against their own mothers.

1:18:59Once he got older, he started forcing the kids to beat their own mothers to show that they had no allegiance to anyone but him. The kids lacked sleep, food, education, I mean sanitation, everything. Their teeth were decaying. Mental health was not a thing. They were not doing well at all. So this is, you know, the kids that he liked. Imagine what he did to the kids he didn't like. So remember Maurice? This is Jack's wife, the one who cut off her pinky toe, she decides, I can't do this anymore. She had been alienated from her own husband for a year now. I think that she realized that he's not coming back to her.

1:19:34So she leaves. Rock only agreed to let her leave without killing her if she left her eldest daughter to marry him. And so she stayed behind to be Rock's next wife and Maryse fled the cabin. She took two of her younger kids with her. She was finally free after eight years of being there. And she would spend months recovering before finding the courage to go to the police. But by then, it would be too late. Another person would die and an arm would be amputated. So Rock felt like he's losing control of this group. He starts lashing out even more. He, for whatever reason, woke up one day super angry at Claude, forced him to wear an elastic band around his private parts like triple tied.

1:20:19Claude was forced to sleep with it on, and because of the severe lack of blood flow, it caused permanent damage to his private parts. By the morning, one of his parts was swollen to the size of an orange. Rock then cut it open, dug his fingers around in there, found the infected orange-sized part of his private parts, and physically removed it, like ripped it out of him. He then catterized the wound with a hot iron, basically closed the wound shut with a hot iron, and he just felt this thrill. This genuine excitement of surgery. He loved surgery. He then proudly lifted the private part in the air and told his oldest son to go put it in his trophy shed.

1:20:59This is when the two oldest sons with Francine decided to leave for good. And now with his sons leaving, he's even more stressed out, okay? So for whatever reason, not that there ever is a reason to be violent with another person, but at this point, he really doesn't even try justifying his actions. He just wants to hurt more people. He throws a hunting knife at Giselle, his wife. It penetrates her thigh, gives her a gash on her leg that's three inches deep. There is blood dripping down her leg. And when he wakes up from his little nap, because right after doing this, he drank his beer and rolled over, fell asleep.

1:21:33When he wakes up, Giselle's leg is completely swollen. And he's so excited because this is another chance to play surgeon. He walks up to her, presses up against her leg, causing the wound to burst open again because it had clotted itself. and he starts pouring cups of hot steaming water into the injury, effectively cooking her flesh. He started poking into her injury with a hot iron and she said when he did his doctor work, he was just like a butcher. He was very rough with his patients and the pain was so unbearable. The pain was so intense. I couldn't stop screaming. I passed out twice and when I came to, I felt like I couldn't even recognize the people around me.

1:22:12I felt like I was in a concentration camp. In a week, the wound would grow infected. And this is when Rock is like, okay, I got to do something about this infection. He gathers salt and olive oil and starts massaging inside the wound for two hours with salt and olive oil. Yeah. Eventually, the wound would heal painfully and slowly and Giselle would use that as a chance to run. But she still came back. She said that she was so scared, she ran to a woman's shelter. At one point, she ran to her brother's house, but ultimately, she believed that this is where she belonged, and this is what God would want for her.

1:22:52So Rock kept going. He picked up a torch, held it up against Josie, another one of his wives. She had severe burns on her back that would never heal, and they were bubbling and boiling. Then one of his other wives, Nicole, gave birth to their child, and that day, the day that she gave birth, he put the torch up to her stomach, completely burning her. Nicole was heavily victimized every time she was pregnant. The torch happened during her most recent pregnancy, but prior to that, when she was three months pregnant, he beat her so hard she lost her baby. He also aimed a gun at Nicole, shot her in the shoulder.

1:23:25In a fit of anger, he also kicked his other wife Giselle with steel-toed boots, broke her ribs. Other times he would beat his members with an axe or just walk up to them, grab a fistful of hair, and he wouldn't stop pulling until he ripped out a whole like chunk of their scalp cloud got a big clunk of that violence he was one of the few men left and so rock broke every single one of his toes one by one by hand so it took a while and it wasn't a clean break he took broken glass to slice up his arm up and down he used a plier to pull out 11 of cloud's teeth forced cloud to sit on a chair and grabbed a sledgehammer and forced his wife to shatter his knees he dangled cloud from the ceiling and would have just left him there for hours and at one point he would have the wife stand under him and pluck out every single bit of body hair one by one until he was bald by hand he beat one of cloud's favorite horses to death and then ordered cloud to burn the animal's body he pointed a gun at cloud and shot him Meanwhile, Gabrielle and Giselle, they were tortured.

1:24:29He would use pliers to squeeze their chest until they bled. One time, Rock placed Gabrielle's hand between lock pliers and squeezed until it broke. He used the same pliers to rip out eight of her teeth and even some of her jawbone at one point because he was pissed off at her. Yeah. He also smashed her thigh with a sledgehammer. He also started getting a bit more inspired by medical gadgets. he started using needles, filling them with whatever unload liquid that he wanted, and he would inject them into his followers. But after injecting them, he would purposefully twist the needle so the tip would break off, and it would be lodged into their skin.

1:25:11He started using torches to burn his wife's private parts and chests. He forced one member to use wire cutters to slice off Gabrielle's left pinky. and then one day after a very long day of hard labor, Gabrielle said she looked down and saw something peeking out of her private part. She realized that her uterus had prolapsed, which means an internal body organ is now bulging outside. Usually it's down there and it's from weak supportive muscles. It was now sticking three inches out of her body. So she freaked out, went to rock, and he literally punched her in the uterus to try and force it back in.

1:25:46when that didn't work he used a string to tie it around her uterus to try and pull it out but when that didn't work he just stuck a wooden cone up there so it basically would work like a bottle cap and keep everything in he broke another wife's cheekbone when she was six months pregnant he would punch members in the neck until they passed out and then one day 32 year old solange arguably rock's favorite wife woke up one day for an ache in her stomach it could have been a number of things since they were starved and malnourished but rock was adamant that it was a liver issue and the only way to be fixed is if he operated he popped open some beers chugged them and then had his other wives dress him in this red velvet robe and a thin gold crown he got everyone to gather around laid solange down on the table started choking her not for the operation literally just because he wanted to so it wasn't so that he could knock her out or anything, just choked her for a little bit before and then paused to put on jewelry.

1:26:46Then he looked down at his wife and said, are you ready? I'm going to treat you tonight. So she's unclothed on the table. He tries to forcibly give her an enema, which is a medical procedure where you take a tube and insert it down there to help you get rid of any poop, like to basically wash it out, flushing it out of your system. And he usually utilizes salt water, But he decided to use a combination of water, oil, and molasses. So think like honey, which is arguably the worst thing to use in an enema. He spent a good 30 minutes trying to get that to work. He was not nice or gentle. Solange was in a lot of pain.

1:27:21Once it was kind of inserted, he just starts punching her stomach viciously. Then he placed a tube down her throat and starts telling the other members to either blow or suck onto the tube, depending on what he was doing. When that wasn't satisfying, he grabbed the knife and sliced under her ribs. It was a five-inch gash vertically down her side. And he just reached in and grabbed whatever he could find. And he pulled out four inches of what is presumed to be her intestines. They said that Solange was super calm during all of this and didn't even cry out. He told her, it's okay, they're there, you're going to be all right.

1:27:58He had other members stitch her back up and took his part to the trophy shed. solange would have no anesthetic and no pain reliever gabrielle said she her belly was open and here she was in a state of calm and peace and that really impressed her so after solange stitched up he ordered someone to draw solange a hot bath filled with herbs and cherries which just makes her feel so much worse so he changes his mind and makes it a cold ice bath so that night solange was tended to by a few of the other wives she was bleeding out and by the morning she would be dead. Her last words to them were, well, I never thought I would suffer that much in my life.

1:28:38Doctors would later state that she passed from a hole and leak in her intestines and it would have been very painful. Rock was devastated that Solange died, which I know, okay, it's shocking because he causes her death and turns around acting like he's the ultimate victim in all of this. Solange was his favorite wife. The member said that he fell into this deep depression after this and he tries to get one of the members to shoot him. He claims to have taken 400 Tylenol, which I highly doubt. He claims to have tried drowning himself. I just don't think that he's the type of guy to want to exit.

1:29:11I feel like he would want to hold on and stay for as long as he possibly can, even though he's a menace to society and nobody wants him. But he said that as he was attempting to drown, God came to him and said, you were pregnant with Solange. Yeah. Okay, so side note, this is not the first time Rock has said something very bizarre. At one point, he would go on these rants about how eating one's own male offspring is the ultimate religious experience. So Rock told the group that he's having these dreams that Solange is inside of his body and he was going to give her her reverse birth. He was going around all day saying, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant.

1:29:48He had his followers dig up Solange's body and instructed the other wives to cut her up, pour vinegar all over her remains to get rid of any worms. Then he had other members drill a hole into her skull so that he could make love to her brain and believed that his output would be her reincarnation. He even encouraged his other male members, well, just one to do it because they didn't have, they were castrated. So when that didn't work, Giselle comforted Rock and told him that Solange would want to have been cremated. He starts digging for bones and vital organs that he wants to keep before she's cremated.

1:30:29He kept her ribbed bone in a leather wrap that he wore around his neck. He kept some other parts in a jar filled with olive oil and it said that like her kidney and uterus and it said that he would make love to that jar consistently. And a lot of followers were starting to kind of wake up to the crazy that was Rock around this point. Gabrielle wanted to leave. She tried a few times, but she told her brother, you know, she was so scared of Rock, but at the same time, she didn't think that she could live without him. One day, Rock got drunk again. And at this point, a lot of the followers, they would run off into the woods every time he got drunk so that they could just hide because drunk means violence.

1:31:03And many of them fled. Gabrielle got stuck. She didn't flee fast enough. And now she's watching him, hoping that he doesn't pick on her. Well, he did. He remembered that Gabrielle had a stiff pinky and he tells her, come sit on the kitchen table. He pats the table, like put your hand down here, palm face down. It's going to be okay. She puts her hand down on the table. He stabs a knife into her hand in the middle, effectively nailing her hand to the kitchen table. There's blood gushing out from her wound, but Rock doesn't do anything. He casually goes over and starts drinking some more for about 45 minutes.

1:31:38Gabrielle is sitting there, hand drilled to the table essentially and cannot move. She's in excruciating pain. She's in shock. She's forcing herself to not pass out. And when Rock turns the attention back on her, her arm starts to turn blue. And he said, that's not looking so good, is it? He grabs another knife. This is like a carpet knife. So it's very similar to a box cutter, but with a tilted handle. It's not going to be the sharpest or the most effective knife. He grabs that knife in one hand, another hand to hold down her shoulder and he starts pressing the carpet knife between her elbow and shoulder so like middle of her upper arm and he just starts carving and it's a good utility knife but a carpet knife from what I can tell is not equipped to handle cutting through tissue and muscle and bone and that's what he's trying to do he starts carving through the different layers and he keeps getting down to her bone and he keeps trying to cut but it's not working and he's getting frustrated he does this for hours Gabrielle mind you is awake the whole time she's watching this being done so close to her face.

1:32:41Rock calls one of the other wives to come over and they start just digging their hands and they're trying to pull Bone out and it's still not working. So they undo the hunting knife from her hand, pick her up, lay her down on the floor. They grab a blunt meat cleaver and completely hammers off her bone, amputating her arm for no reason. Gabrielle did not cry. She said she did not even yell. She said she felt no fear watching this happen. It took hours and she just heard God telling her that God was with her and that God loves her. And this is when she believes reality broke because she's thinking, wait, God is with me right now.

1:33:28And God just told me I love you. And people wouldn't do this to people that they love. and god was the only one that made her feel safe and calm in that moment so afterwards she had a moment yeah where she was thinking this man is claiming to be god but he seems like the devil and she said believe me i was sure that night that i was certain i was gonna die so she left for a woman's shelter the next day but jack convinced her to come back and that rock had changed. She went back and they saw that the tissue on her arm was dying because it wasn't being treated. So Rock grabbed a pair of scissors and started cutting out the tainted parts.

1:34:11He also decided to slice off a chunk of her breast and beat her on the head with an axe. He forced her to go out to eat with him that day after doing all of that at a local Chinese restaurant. And the whole purpose was to just humiliate her and force her to show off her arm and scare the waitresses. Gabrielle was beaten, abused, humiliated, and eventually she ran out of the cabin into the woods. She didn't have the energy to go find help because it was very isolated. She just laid in the bushes for two days in pain, and the only reason she went back to the cabin was she realized insects had laid eggs in her brain, like her head injury.

1:34:46She walked back to the cabin, and Rock was drunk Again, he heated up a torch, took a metal plate till it was blazing hot and pressed it up against Gabrielle's arm where he amputated her. The worst part was he was so drunk that he kept dropping the heat metal plate and it just kept dropping all over Gabrielle's body. Finally, Gabrielle was able to escape from the group and made it to a hospital. But she was still protecting Rock. She tried to make up a story about how her arm had been cut off. The hospital did not care. they immediately called the police to investigate and then she would finally open up to the horrors inside of Ant Hill.

1:35:22By the time the police get to the cult, the cabin is empty. Everyone had fled. It took six weeks to finally locate Rock. He was arrested the same day that Giselle told authorities about Solange's death. Rock and fellow members pled guilty to all charges against them regarding Gabrielle's amputation. Rock went to trial for the second degree murder of Solange. He pled guilty and received life in prison, but he would be eligible for parole within six years. What? Which he would never get. But there was just a lingering question even after all of this that the public wanted to know, which was, did Rock believe what he preached?

1:35:59And did all of his followers believe him like wholeheartedly? Was there not even a single moment where they went, um, maybe this guy is full of shit. We don't really know. What's crazy is Rock wasn't even that powerful of a person outside of his cult. For example, he was visiting Utah one time, and he managed to get a$75 ticket in the United States. When he was handed a ticket from the cops, he walked away with a squishing sound coming from him because he had peed himself. He was not powerful or cocky to the outside world, but to his group, he was the all-powerful leader that could do no wrong.

1:36:34As for Rockterio, a lot of past members believed that he genuinely was delusional. that he genuinely believed he was some sort of prophet, some sort of gifted surgeon. Even after his arrest, three members remained devoted to him. They moved into apartments near the prison and scheduled as many conjugal visits as they could. So they were still sleeping with him while he was in jail. These three women would go on to have four more children with him while he was in prison. They were all immediately taken by CPS and given up for adoption. And Rock liked being in jail. He told the parole board that he wanted to stay in jail because he was scared for his safety outside.

1:37:09Which again, raging victim complex, okay? Like, he was really busy in jail as well. He tried to write a book, tried to sell artwork to a website called murderauction.com, which is exactly what it sounds like. They auction off art and other works from killers. It's definitely a controversial website. Canada stopped the release of Rock's work because of the outrage it was causing. So he's busy. His life in prison was honestly okay. A lot of the guards really liked him. despite being one of Canada's most infamous and despicable criminals, they said that he was charming. And then it's debated whether or not this could have been stopped, whether or not the cult could have been stopped.

1:37:43We don't know. You know, I think that the media at the time was also in a phase where they were praising anything that was different. And yeah, I don't know. It was just strange. People were just not calling it out for what it was. I think people were very careful to be like, we don't really know. So let's let them do what they want. They're not hurting anyone, right? We don't know. February 26, 2011, which is the same month that Rock predicted a second coming like a decade ago. Well, many decades ago that the world was going to end. Well, February 26, 2011, the world did end for Rockterio. A 60 year old man, Matthew McDonald, walked into 63 year old rock terrio cell and walked out with a bloody shiv he stabbed rock in the neck until he died and somehow rock's healing abilities did not save him matthew walked straight up to a guard handed him the bloody shiv and said the piece of shit is down on the range here's the knife i've sliced him up matthew was already a convicted killer he killed a taxi driver he was sentenced to life in prison and he had another record so he wasn't getting out so i guess he just thought why not kill rock but why so there are a lot of people that praise matthew for this because afterwards he said he killed rock because he was sick of hearing everything that he had done to women and children so he figured why not just take him out also on top of that he just found him extremely annoying yeah i mean even in prison there's hierarchies right so i feel like these days we know what happened with jonestown we know what happened with manson but rock terrio is one of the lesser known cult leaders, but his impact on Canada was huge.

1:39:23His sons, I mean, just if he had 40 members, think of all the people that are family members or relatives or friends with these 40 members. The impact was wide. The kids, Rock Jr. and Francois, they would go on to write a book. They called their dad a shark, a shark that just needed to see blood. They said that they were scared every moment that they were in that cult gabrielle said that she was so lost when she met rock she was just looking for someone to find her she was a nurse but just nothing in life was clicking then she met rock and the way that he looked at her it looked like he was looking inside of her and then when they had held hands for the first time she said it was kind of like a burning sensation like a magnetism she couldn't pull away she had never met someone with as much charisma as him gabrielle would later go on to write a book about her experiences in anthill alliance of the sheep i could not get my hands on an english version of it because i believe it is in french and yeah i can't find it anywhere if you guys can find it please let me know i'd be so intrigued but she said it was very therapeutic to write and the end message of the book is happiness is not out there you have to find it in yourself and everything is already given to you to fulfill yourself she said there's always a bit of hope in the darkness and we have to hope for that to get out of the darkness because there is always light at the end of the tunnel of our human misery always never give up never never never give up and that is the story of the antel kids it's probably one of the most gruesome ones um i will just say i'm not sure if this is gonna get approved through youtube we might do a shortened version of it on here um maybe check out spotify where the uncensored video will be or if you just want the audio it's available on all platforms please be safe and i will see you guys on sunday for the minisode bye