#309: She Went From Ivy League Student to Having IQ of 6 Year Old - Jealous Evil Classmate?

27:10A lot of killers will actually go the ingestion route because it's odorless it's tasteless and it smoothly blends into drinks and food without changing the color or texture much so you could put it into coffee and it's not going to do like the whole coffee creamer thing where it makes it like a lighter color you wouldn't even taste it you wouldn't even see it and all you need is less than a gram that is less than half a dime you know the coin the dime half of a dime that's like deadly just how much in an adult that's all it takes and it's bad there are three phases to poisoning before death by thallium the symptoms will initially start off slow and again it's very confusing for the person who has it because you're thinking oh my god do i have a stomach bug so you get stomach eggs diarrhea vomiting most people at this stage are like what did i eat and then the unbearable pain hits you realize this is not an ordinary stomach bug you have tremors you've got headaches insomnia, temporary if not permanent loss of vision.

28:09There are reports that people suffering from thallium poisoning can't even see a water cup right in front of their eyes. Every part of the body starts to feel pain just by existing. It feels tender as if someone went and used tweezers to peel every single piece of skin off the first layer of your skin and anything touching your body now feels like a fourth degree burn. A lot of people report feeling, you know, even the pain of having a bed sheet, not even a blanket, like those thin sheets on you, it's like the Eiffel Tower stabbing into your body. You can't get up because it feels like you're walking on hot coals and your skin is burning.

28:45If you try to lift the leg of someone suffering from serious thallium poisoning, even a gentle touch to the leg is so painful that you're just going to hear some of the most horrific cries for help. And it's on every part of your body. It's not just your extremities like your arms and your legs, some people report feeling these never-ending, ruthless, stabbing sensations all over their body, including their private parts. And then the neurological phase hits. The final phase before death. You're talking involuntary movement disorders. Seizures may start to occur. You lose a function of your own limbs and extremities, leaving you paralyzed temporarily or indefinitely.

29:23Impairment of thought and mood. Regression of mental acuity. And in this case, Ling was going from being a chemistry major at the Harvard of China to having the IQ and mental competency of a six-year-old child. The most notable person associated with thallium is actually a man named Graham Young. Let me know if you want a case on this. Graham Young, he didn't discover thallium. He was a serial killer that poisoned 70 people with thallium in their teacups. He was fascinated by thallium. he wanted to watch his victims suffer in the most painful this is not um it's not a graceful way to go it's not a painless you know you have some cases in true crime where the murderer wants that person dead and they want to get it fast like get it over with this is not one of those it's a slow burn it's a full degradation of human bodies when young went too long before killing again, he would miss the kill.

30:21And he said, I miss the power it gives me. I suppose I cease to see these people as people. They were simply guinea pigs to me. So Bae and Ling's parents, they're reading about all of this and they eagerly tell the doctors everything they just learned. And they're like, we just cracked the code. We need to get her the antidote to thallium because guess what? There's an antidote to thallium. And they're telling the doctors it's thallium. It makes sense. She's got the telltale symptoms. Look at these doctors. They've studied thallium extensively. these are the emails that they've sent. They said that we never found it in her blood because we need to send it to a specific lab that can test specifically for thallium.

30:57So they never tested that. No. And the doctors look at them and they go, you know, no, it's not thallium. These internet doctors are just doctors on the internet, but we are her real doctors. We see her every day. The hospital argued that it's not thallium poisoning for the exact reasons that Bay was arguing it is thallium poisoning. So Ling's family is arguing, you know, thallium is rare. That's why it's so hard to pinpoint the symptoms to get the correct diagnosis. But thallium is the only thing that makes sense. All the symptoms line up. But then the hospital is arguing it's not thallium precisely for that reason.

31:32Do you hear yourself? It's so rare. Thallium is a highly regulated substance. Who would go to great lengths to poison a random college student with it? The hospital refused to track down the antidote for thallium or even send her blood to get tested for thallium. And they said, even if it is thallium poisoning, like hypothetically speaking, which it's not, I assure you, but even if it were, the antidote isn't going to help right now. She's too far gone. Wow, I cannot believe this. Which really is not a great sentiment. Ling's family and friends were shocked. Thallium is particularly dangerous because our bodies confuse it for potassium, which we have a lot of in our systems, and we don't fight it.

32:14We let it just like wander around our body. It floats through our bodies and just starts honestly messing things up, causing severe irreparable nerve damage. It's the equivalent of letting a friend into your house and letting them wander, have freak rain and control over your home without knowing that they're going room by room, killing anything and everything, destroying it one by one. the book the poisoner's handbook says this about thallium it was one might say a chemist's poison it's one of the worst poisons killing slowly it gives the poisoner control over how quickly the victim dies so time is of the essence with thallium in most cases even if someone survives thallium poisoning if it's this level of severe their lives are changed forever likely they will never be able to feel their legs again they will never grow their hair back and these are just some of the smaller changes.

33:04For Ling's case, she could forever mentally regress to a six-year-old unless they figured something out quick. The hospital's not helping. It seemed like Ling's parents, her friends, and family, they were the only ones that could help her. So the main question would be, who would want to kill Ling? Because we got to answer one of these questions of who, how, why, right? So who? There was an incident in Ling's past that made people wonder very briefly if maybe there was someone out there who had it out for her long before she even came to Tsinghua. Maybe someone had been targeting her her whole life.

33:38Ling had an older sister named Jing. But she died mysteriously and the circumstances surrounding her death are just weird. To give you some context, Jing and Ling were considered the perfect daughters. Like even when they were kids, they were both super disciplined, studious. They wanted to make their parents proud. And you know the children that talk so eloquently? you're like, why does this five-year-old talk like they've already read all the Shakespeare novels and like dissected the meeting behind the Catra and the Rye? That was them. But between the two of them, they never had that sibling rivalry competitiveness.

34:09They just found comfort in having each other and supporting each other. So Jing being a few years older, she gets into college first. Beijing University. This is like Yale. If Tsinghua is Harvard, Beijing University is Yale. wow they're both so smart and at this point ling was still living at home jing is away at college and one weekend jing and her 10 friends decide to go to a national park a few hundred miles outside of beijing everything was meticulously planned they were going to get there really early saturday spend all day saturday on these outdoor activities and then sunday they would return by bus or train in two groups so some people had study groups on sunday so they would catch an early morning bus back to campus.

34:49The other group, they didn't have a study group. So they're like, why don't we just explore a little bit more? And then we'll go in the afternoon. The day of the outing, very memorable. Everybody's having a good time. The next day rolls around and Jing is on the early morning bus. All of her things are packed and she's waiting for the rest of her friends to pack up their stuff. And she's thinking, you know what? Why am I just sitting here in this hotel? I'm going to go out and like grab a cup of coffee and I'll meet you guys at the train station. Okay. Takes her luggage with her doesn't show up at the train station and since everyone had already bought their tickets and they need to go to this study group they just kind of left they assumed she's an adult she's more than capable of having her own schedule nobody overthought it she's probably going to catch up with the second group and come with them on monday she doesn't show up to class okay that's not like jing jing is very studious she takes her classes very seriously her classmates called her parents to see if she had gone home maybe she hadn't so everyone rushes back to the national park and they start looking for Jing.

35:45This national park is technically a tourist location but only a small part of it. The entire park itself is over 128 ,000 acres. Wow. Jing would not be found till three days later. She was laying at the bottom of a cliff but this is where things don't really add up. If she was found dead at the bottom of the cliff the assumption is that she fell off the cliff but where she was found was pretty secluded. She was laying there and her clothes were neat and her body looked peaceful almost it's not a stretch to imagine that if someone fell off a cliff they would try to grab onto things they wouldn't be found it's almost like she was laying there taking a nap like it didn't look like she fell off somewhere no even if she wasn't trying to grab onto things like the way she would have landed just didn't make sense so is it someone saying that she could have been dead by the time she fell dead and then staged to look like she fell is kind of the thing that nobody will say out loud because there's just so many weird things about it.

36:45And a few other odd details where Jing had left her friends with all her luggage because she was supposed to meet them at the train station. Her luggage was nowhere to be found. Jing had fallen off a cliff that also wasn't straight down. So it wasn't that steep of a cliff. It was kind of more slanted. So she accidentally fell and she was in her right conscious mind. Every human, the instinct is to grab onto something. Nearby tree branches, rocks. I mean, it's more of a tumble. This is a tumbling cliff, not a freefall cliff. There were no scratch marks on her hands, none on her arms. Her clothes were unwrinkled and intact.

37:19There were no injuries or even dirt underneath her fingernails. It looked like someone had placed her under the cliff. But authorities, they ruled out homicide. They ruled out self-inflicted wounds. They said it was an accidental death. But it always affected Ling, that her sister was gone, and it just felt like no real answers or closure. It just didn't make any sense. But now that Ling is also suffering in college, a lot of people are wondering, what if someone has it out for the sisters? Like what if they're both being targeted? But not a single suspect came to mind. Both sisters were generally well loved by their peers and technically Jing's death was, you know, ruled accidental.

37:56Side note, this is really sad, but the top two schools in the nation of China are Beijing University and chinghua university it's that that ling really liked both colleges and it's presumed that had her sister been alive she would have chosen to go to beijing but since she passed she felt like if she went there all she would think about is did my sister walk down this hall did my sister stay in the storm so she chose chinghua wow what a tragedy wow yeah this family yeah so anyway it It was a theory that had to be explored, but then it was shut down. Another theory popped up. The idea that maybe Ling wasn't the actual target.

38:34Maybe Ling's parents were the target, and to get to them, someone went through Ling. Technically, it made sense because Ling is so young and well-liked in school, like, this just doesn't feel like a college crime. If she didn't have enemies, maybe her parents did, and she was just collateral damage. Ling's dad was a senior engineer at the National Earthquake Agency of China. It's a high-level position that works closely with the government, and maybe he knew something he shouldn't have known. Or maybe someone had it out for him. Or maybe Ling's mom was the target. She was an engineer at the Chinese Oceanic Company.

39:05Again, another prestigious position. But both these theories would lead to a dead end. Ling's parents did not seem to have any enemies who would want to harm them or Ling. So now people are thinking, okay, if we can't answer the question of who and why, can we at least find out how? Maybe that leads us to the other questions. How was she poisoned? That could help. Their best guess was that she ingested thallium or applied it to her skin because if it was through inhalation, there must have been others that got sick at this school. Unless she was in some sort of vacuum-sealed room where she was only inhaling thallium vapor and nobody else was, but that doesn't make sense.

39:38Nobody else on campus ever showed signs of thallium poisoning. So it's got to be ingestion or contact. They go to her dorm room, Tsinghua University. Tsinghua, okay? There's a shampoo thief. conveniently what at the nation's most prestigious university they say there's a thief who stole shampoos while ling was in the hospital but only ling's while ling was in the hospital her personal items were stolen her contact lens case which is terrifying to think about lipstick shampoo bath soap all of her water cups where she drinks water towel gone okay then that's i mean that's the investigation right yeah you've got to find out who stole it right exactly so at the time there's no security cameras though so they can't even see who's the thief but they do have some sort of process of elimination the dorms at chinghua are gendered so meaning only female students can get into the female dorms and you had to be a current student to get in you could not be alumni you could not be postgrad you had to be undergrad i also believe the records indicate whenever a professor shows up into a dorm building just because there's no real specific reason for professors to be in dorm buildings.

40:50There's no lecture halls inside the dorm buildings. So they're looking at a female undergrad student. That's still hundreds, if not a thousand people.

41:03While all of this is happening, Ling's parents requested the police to help investigate. They told the officers, it's thallium. We're certain of it. Please, the hospital is doing nothing. You have to help us. And whoever did this to our daughter must have gotten the thallium from somewhere. If it's a highly regulated, like the hospital says, then there must be some record of it. The police, they get to work. Cause like I said, you know, Ling's parents, they're pretty credible people. Not saying that the police should only work off of credible people, but I would imagine that if maybe her parents didn't have some sort of academic standing, I don't know.

41:34I don't know what the cops would do if my mom showed up at a station and was like, my daughter is getting poisoned by thallium. So they're like, okay, fine. We're going to look into it. They start investigating over 20 retailers who supply thallium they start pouring through their records so you're like what i thought thallium is banned it's banned in a lot of commercially available products so rat poison like things that you would buy at home depot but it is still used to make optical lenses like eyeglasses it's used in electronics a lot of phones have thallium in them but you know just because you break apart your phone doesn't mean you're like oh thallium let me poison people it's used in the manufacturing process so they go to these retailers who are like okay who are you selling thallium to and what are they doing with that thallium they start pouring through all the records and they see something shocking chinghua university chemistry department there was thallium in that school now everyone's brains are turning okay someone at that school had access to thallium and they chose to use it on ling maybe a sick professor with an agenda maybe a love triangle between students maybe ling rejected a guy and he wanted to kill her because this wouldn't be the first time that happened.

42:39They go to Tsinghua and they're like, hey, is this true? Like, did you guys experiment with thallium? You said that there's no thallium on campus, but it shows that you guys purchased thallium, the chemistry department, the department that Ling is in. And if so, do you have a list of everyone that was involved in the experiment with thallium? Police discovered that from the entire university, only seven people had access. Two teachers, three female post-grad students and two undergrad students. Wow. So that means whoever did this must have been involved in the thallium experiment and must have had the opportunity to steal the shampoo and toiletries from Ling's room.

43:13That made the most sense, which means we can cross out the two professors, the post-grad students, which leaves us with just two undergraduate students. One guy and one girl. The guy couldn't have access to the girl dorm rooms. So that's just one name left. And what's the name? Sunny, Ling's best friend and roommate. Wow, what the heck. The day that Ling's class graduated from Tsinghua, after four long years, three of the 31 students from the chemistry department were nowhere to be seen. One was out sick with the flu, and the other two, best friends Ling and Sunny. Ling was poisoned and could not graduate.

44:01Sunny was identified as a suspect the night before graduation. She was at the police station being questioned for the attempted murder of Ling, and netizens believed this to be a slam dunk case. Sunny had access to thallium, she had access to Ling, she had access to the missing shampoo bottles. She had also checked out books from the school library on thallium prior to Ling's poisoning. Now, one could argue that she was part of a thallium experiment, but I don't know, all of it's pretty convenient. the motive is probably the trickiest part because technically sunny is also an it girl that also had it all she was smart came from a strong family background why would she risk it all to poison ling mutual friends of both sunny and ling said ling just defeated her at the student election and sunny was not the type of girl that was okay with losing she was also just kind of a bitch in general yeah that's what they said she was mean and weird in general sorry i don't know what to tell you that's what they're saying friends said ling was also the type to want to include everyone and everything.

44:55They remembered how Ling brought Sunny to an orchestra practice and proudly announced, this is my roommate Sunny. She loves traditional Chinese music and really wants to join the orchestra. It seems like though, Sunny was accepted into the orchestra and made friends because of Ling. But a lot of friends said, you know, there was a shift once they were both on the orchestra. As Ling progressed and gained more recognition, Sunny seemed annoyed. Allegedly, especially when Ling had been given the chance to perform a solo at the Beijing Philharmonic, it seemed like a major shift in the friendship. A lot of friends speculated that it's just not hard for the girls to see why Sunny could have been beyond jealous of Ling.

45:31Ling was beautiful, highly capable, and she just made everything seem so effortless. She was the it girl. She attracted the admiration of not just other girls, but boys, professors, everyone. And one time Ling had asked her mom, Mom, why would best friends go through rough times? She's like, what do you mean, sweetie? Nothing, there was just an incident. So Ling had been scheduled for orchestra practice, but because of some last minute changes in her academic schedule, she couldn't make it to practice. But she decided she would make up for it by scheduling a one-on-one with the teacher later. But I guess she forgot to tell the teacher and maybe the teacher hadn't gotten her message yet because the teacher looked around during practice and was like, hey, does anyone know where Ling is?

46:11And Sunny allegedly responded, yeah, she just wanted to relax a bit. She said she didn't need practice. She made it sound like this was not a priority for Ling and she's just hanging out in her dorm room with a bunch of boys or something. It was so strange. And of course, the situation got back to Ling and she was confused, but she thought, okay, maybe it's miscommunication. But then allegedly there was another incident. The orchestra had invited this legendary teacher from a music academy to guest teach. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, a learning opportunity. Sunny allegedly had a pick-me moment where she said out loud while smiling, allegedly, I'm sure that Ling could sit in the back because she's already so good.

46:47It'd be selfish if she sat in the front or in the middle because other kids need to learn. I mean, there's no way that Ling could argue. And so she sat in the back, but she just felt weird about it. Like, even if Sunny's reasoning made sense, it wasn't her place to call her out like that. But I guess the question now is, is that really a motive? Would she really risk her own life to take someone down? Netizens felt like it. A lot of them argued. Who had access to thallium? Sunny. Who had access to Ling's belongings and food? Sunny. Who had the motive to want Ling gone? Sunny. and who did the police let go?

47:24Sunny. What? Sunny was questioned for eight hours straight and then her family came to pick her up and she was never questioned again. That didn't make a lot of sense to a lot of netizens, including Ling's parents. What kind of weird investigative work is that? Of course she didn't confess in the first eight hours, but bring her back, investigate more, gather more evidence. It's a slam dunk case. That's what a lot of netizens are saying. So some netizens, they started doing their own investigating and they discovered. Sunny's family was one of the most prominent families at Tsinghua University.

47:56Sunny's dad was an important member of the Democratic Revolutionary Committee. Sunny's grandfather was former vice chairman of the Democratic Revolutionary Committee. Sunny's uncle was a pioneer in the development of the transportation sector in China. Most of her family members were either working in government positions or state-run prestigious universities as professors. Her first cousin was the deputy mayor of Beijing, as well as the vice chairman and executive vice chairman of all China Federation of Industry and Commerce. Holy cow. And I mean, if you think having government positions in a place like America pulls a lot of strings, it's probably worse in China.

48:33And just like that, Ling's case was closed, labeled unsolved. Oh, that's it? That's it. Sunny states that she was cleared of any suspicion by the police. She states that she is innocent and has zero motive to poison Ling. She said she also would like the real culprit to be found and face justice. Sunny would go on to change her name, change her legal date of birth, marry an American man, and move to the United States with a green card, and has been living a free life ever since. She's still here? Yes. Oh. Meanwhile, for Ling, everything was too late. It had been confirmed too late that thallium was the poison responsible for Ling's mystery illness.

49:13when she was finally tested for thallium and, you know, after her parents begging and begging, it showed that she had tens of thousands of times higher than the amount that was acceptable. At this point, there is a cure for thallium poisoning called Prussian blue. This is so fascinating, okay? Prussian blue is truly something. Prussian blue is interesting because it's actually a dark blue pigment. It's a synthetic pigment. It's a powder that's blue in color a pigmented powder that's widely used to create paint for artists so the famous great wave painting you know i'm talking about or um maybe van gogh starry night is a more iconic one that uses a lot of prussian blue the color is prussian blue and it makes it sound super fancy but prussian blue was the first synthetic pigment ever made which means it's dirt cheap it's non toxic it's intensely colored it's very affordable it's not like um there's one called like blue lapis that you have to find in nature and it's super expensive this is cheap but you can't just go to a paint manufacturer and demand Prussian blue and start snorting it because you think you're being poisoned with thallium.

50:12There are pharmaceutical grade Prussian blue pigments that are used for people who ingest thallium. What it does is it basically binds to the thallium inside your body, making sure that it can't just roam around more. Now it's like, you're going to come with me and you're going to get pooped out, basically. It's a pretty effective antidote. And while you can go to any paint store and buy Prussian blue pigmented paint, Prussian blue and powder form, pharmaceutical grade, good enough to help save someone dying from thallium poisoning level of good is nearly impossible to find. Why though? It's so cheap to make.

50:44That doesn't make sense. Prussian blue is also an antidote for radiation poisoning. So even in countries like the US, the government keeps it under close stockpile. They stockpile it in case of a nuclear attack. Wow. They don't just go around giving out Prussian blue left and right because you think someone has thallium poisoning. And at this point, it had already been too late. Like the thallium had been absorbed in her body and it had done all the damage at this point. Even if she took Prussian blue now, it's not going to do anything. Ling had been declared permanently disabled by the hospital due to the nerve damage caused by thallium.

51:20The side effects have caused her to regress mentally to the age of a six-year-old. She will need 24-7 around-the-clock care. On top of that, Ling's face was semi-paralyzed. She would forever be wheelchair bound. She lost nearly all her eyesight. The hospital was later sentenced to compensate Ling's family$14 ,000 for the misdiagnosis and improper handling of her case, which is nothing. Yeah, like that's less than nothing at this point because it's almost a slap in the face. Even more heartbreaking is Ling's family wasn't even alerted that Ling's case was closed. The police did it quietly, which just adds another layer of suspicion and injustice to this case.

52:00In a few weeks, it'll be Ling's birthday, November 24th. She will be 50 years old. Last year, for her 49th birthday, her family all gathered around the house to celebrate. Parents, relatives, cousin, they all traveled to get there and they were trying to smile as big as they could. They brought in giant fruit cakes, Ling's favorite dishes and desserts. Ling's father was busy putting a party hat on Ling and Ling's mom was busy putting away all the gifts and it was supposed to be this very joyous day. The fact that Ling had been able to make it this far, the fact that she was alive to celebrate a birthday was enough for the family.

52:39But there is that underlying sadness that everyone feels. And I just want to clarify the sadness the family feels does not come from the fact that Ling is not able-bodied but everything that they had grown to know and love about Ling had been so cruelly taken from her. Netizens believe maybe it would have been easier on the family mentally and emotionally if Ling had perhaps had a genetic condition that caused her physical decline but this this is the feeling that someone did this to their precious daughter. Someone had so much hatred for her for whatever unknown unjustifiable reason to want this for their daughter who gives someone that power and audacity and then that person whoever it was got away it's a very hard pill to swallow they feel robbed of both their daughters ling had worked so hard to get into chinghua i mean everything that she loved playing the gu ching pouring her heart into her academic studies dancing to traditional chinese music Like, all of that is gone.

53:39And now she can't even use the restroom alone. Even her birthday cake, she has to wait till her mom decides to feed her another bite. You would think that everyone would be sympathetic to Ling's family and what they're going through, but it gets really weird. The family received a letter in 2013, an anonymous letter that was turned over to the police. It reads in short, Your daughter has nothing to do with the term outstanding. Personally, I am a district-level model student and honor student, and I cannot comprehend your daughter's behavior. I have never encountered someone like her. Everything in life follows the law of cause and effect.

54:12A person's fortune depends on the seeds they plant, with good actions leading to good causes and bad actions leading to bad consequences. There's a new theory that comes with this though, so listen. If your daughter followed a proper schedule, didn't disturb others, respected her classmates, and maintained good relationships with her doormates, how could she end up in such a horrible position? Success in life begins with being a successful person. Your daughter's failure in character has led her to this unfortunate situation. If there's a next life, as a couple, you should first teach your daughter how to be a good person, how to respect others, and how to get along with other people.

54:47Be generous, engage in charitable activities, and become someone who can contribute to the country and even the nation. That is what makes a person truly excellent. Signed, Dong Dong. D-O-N-G? Dong Dong. Dong Dong from LA. what the letter was turned over to the police but nothing came of it we don't know who wrote it but a new theory did emerge which was maybe there was more than one person who wanted ling dead it sounds like a group of people decided that ling had to go for whatever reason like schedule if she didn't disturb her dorm mates group mentality is a very scary thing because it's a four-person dorm room one person says hey did you notice that she's a little rude The others might not agree, but the next time they talk to Ling, maybe they start thinking, wait, why would she say that?

55:32That is a little rude, isn't it? Then they go back and maybe it just snowballs into something that's probably rooted in jealousy to begin with. Because I personally, I mean, we tried to dig as deep as possible in this case. There was not one report of Ling being rude, disrespectful, not caring for other people's schedules. She just primarily minded her own business and did her work. So did they all collude to kill her? Maybe it wasn't her dorm mates. Maybe it was the next door dorm. We don't know. Or maybe they just wanted her to drop out at the very least. Unfortunately, we don't have any answers.

56:07A White House petition did get started to get Sunny deported or arrested. It gained over 150 ,000 signatures, but nothing came of that either. That's where we are with today's case. That's it? Yeah. Wow. There's no justice. There's no answers. Nothing. I would say majority of netizens. And I don't really have a personal opinion. I try not to. But I would say majority of netizens from what we could tell in our research, they believe that Sunny is guilty and that she got away because of her family connections. And then you have some people saying, well, no, technically Sunny's family was richer, more powerful, more influential.

56:45Like, why would she go after Ling? But then the other party, the main majority of netizens are saying that's why. Because Ling had all the things that Sunny couldn't buy with money. I don't know. what do you guys think of this case do you think sunny is guilty and if so do you think it's her family's connections that got her off without any trouble do you think that she's being used as a scapegoat maybe someone more powerful was involved maybe the school just really was bad at controlling who had access to thallium and so they just wanted to throw someone under the bus do you think that she was part of a group that wanted lingon for whatever reason or she was working alone let me know in the comments but please stay safe and i guess this is a good time to remind you careful of who has access to your food and drinks and i will see you guys on sunday for the mini sode bye