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Podcast Summary: Rotten Mango - Episode #318
Episode Overview In the 318th episode titled "7 Husbands Drugged & Assaulted Each Other’s Wives & Live-Streamed It For Their 'Boy Chatroom'", the podcast dives deep into a horrendous true crime case involving seven husbands who conspired to drug and sexually assault their wives. The episode explores the psychological and societal implications of their actions, the details of their criminal activities, and the eventual legal repercussions.
Key Themes and Concepts
Infidelity and Betrayal
- The story begins with James and his wife, Jennifer, whose marriage is strained by infidelity. James discovers Jennifer is having an affair with his friend Owen.
- Instead of addressing the betrayal directly, James concocts a plan to drug and facilitate the assault of his wife, leading to a shocking cycle of abuse among the husbands.
Online Communities and Dark Fantasies
- The men involved were part of an online forum named Sammy Boy, notorious for discussions around sexual fantasies, including non-consensual acts.
- Sammy Boy is described as a platform with minimal moderation, facilitating the sharing of explicit content and illegal activities.
Psychological Manipulation and Abuse
- The episode highlights the psychological impact on the victims, particularly how their trust was betrayed by those they should feel safest with.
- Several quotes from the victims illustrate the trauma they faced, including feelings of betrayal and despair.
Criminal Conspiracy and Assault
- The husbands plotted over eight years, drugging their wives with a fast-acting sedative and filming the assaults.
- Each assault was premeditated, often discussed on the Sammy Boy forum, illustrating a deeply disturbing culture of objectification and control.
Legal Consequences
- The episode details the trial outcomes, including lengthy prison sentences and caning for the perpetrators.
- A significant focus is placed on the implications of their actions, the societal response, and the debate around publicizing their names in light of their heinous crimes.
Cultural Context
- The case is set in Singapore, where strict laws coexist with this underground culture. The episode discusses the country’s low crime rates juxtaposed with such extreme criminal behavior.
- There’s a discussion about how the laws in Singapore affect the prosecution of crimes and how websites like Sammy Boy continue to thrive.
Important Takeaways
- Cycle of Abuse: The husbands' actions represent a significant betrayal of trust, showcasing how marital relationships can be manipulated for personal gratification.
- Online Influence: The role of online forums in facilitating harmful behavior reflects a dangerous culture that can thrive in anonymity.
- Psychological Fallout: The victims endure long-lasting trauma, emphasizing the need for support systems for survivors of such violence.
- Legal and Ethical Implications: The episode raises questions about the adequacy of punishment for such crimes and the societal responsibility towards victims.
Conclusion This episode of Rotten Mango provides an in-depth view of a shocking and complex case of abuse, showcasing the darker aspects of human behavior and the consequences of betrayal within intimate relationships. The discussions surrounding the psychological, cultural, and legal facets of the case provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of how these events transpired and the societal implications that followed.
For those interested in true crime and the intricate psychology behind such criminal behavior, this episode serves as a haunting reminder of the fragility of trust in relationships.
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Additional Resources
- [National Network to End Domestic Violence](https://nnedv.org/)
- [Rotten Mango Podcast Full Source Notes](https://rottenmangopodcast.com/)
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04James was going to take his wife to the best hotel in the city. Marina Bay Sands in Singapore It's the three buildings And what looks like a spacecraft Sitting on top of the three buildings The top is actually the largest infinity pool In the entire world It is like the equivalent of being in a pool On the 100th floor About 1 ,100 feet Up in the sky It's a five-star hotel That a lot of couples in Singapore They'll even do staycations there Because truly, what is more romantic Than taking a swim overlooking the entire city. And it's not cheap. The most affordable room starts at around$500 a night.
0:42But you can also book a lover's suite. That's going to cost you around like$1 ,500 per night. This is a luxury resort. But James didn't care. He said no expenses are going to be spared. He just really wanted to splurge on his wife, Jennifer. They were going through the thick of life. They're raising four daughters together. I mean, nothing in life at this point seemed easy anymore. Everything about being a parent was just exhausting. And both of them deserve some rest. So they spent all day just lounging in hotel robes, going to the spa, ordering room service. By the end of the night, Jennifer excused herself to the restroom to go take a shower.
1:21James is waiting in the hotel room, waiting for the water to turn on, waiting to hear the sound of his wife open and close the shower door behind her. And then he pounced. He pounced on her phone. This was the whole purpose of the trip. James wanted to see what was in that damn phone. He went through her messages. He went through all of her messaging apps, WhatsApp, all of that. And then finally, he clicked on Facebook Messenger. He starts speed scrolling through her messages. He knows exactly what he's looking for in here. He had a sneaking suspicion this whole time. And there it was. Messages between James's friend, Owen, and his wife, Jennifer.
2:01So he starts scrolling to see what they're talking about. And it was bad. Jennifer, the wife, is telling Owen that they were at the Marina Bay Sands Resort. And Owen is kind of teasingly asking her, Oh, are you going to wear a bikini? Are you going to swim at the pool? Okay, you know, it's bad, but maybe it's explainable. James keeps scrolling. There were messages James found where Jennifer, his wife, is telling Owen all these intimate details about her marriage with James. she said that whenever James asks her to sleep with him she doesn't even know how to respond she doesn't even want to respond he just isn't doing it for her anymore if she felt obligated to sleep with him she would just close her eyes and imagine that it was Owen instead oh my gosh James had confirmation that his wife was cheating on him with his friend James said that he just felt this like strong sense of betrayal I'm so sorry.
2:59Owen is his friend? Owen is James' friend. But he didn't even feel the betrayal coming from his wife. He felt it coming from Owen. They had a deal. Owen wasn't supposed to flirt with James' wife. He was only supposed to R-word her. How can it be R-word when they're both choosing to sleep with each other? When they're both choosing to have an affair? That wasn't part of the plan. James decided that day to take matters into his own hands. So on his three-year anniversary with his wife, He would drug her, invite Owen over, and watch as Owen assaulted her unconscious body. He would end up liking this experience so much that for the next eight years, he would find like-minded husbands on online forums and they would drug and assault each other's wives all the while recording it for their own sick pleasure.
4:10We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the National Network to End Domestic Violence. They are a non-profit that focuses on creating a social, political, and economic environment in which partner-related, workplace, and stalking violence no longer exist. They also provide legal resources that are very easy to read in simple words and provide survivors with how to get a restraining order and so much more. I'm going to leave all the links in the description. But this episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team of dedicated researchers and translators that work from all around the world.
4:44And we would also like to thank you for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates of these causes. As always, full show notes are available at RottenMangoPodcast.com. This case does involve heavy conversations of SA. So if you're not in the headspace for that, or if you feel like, okay, maybe this is too much, take it easy, go watch a funny show, relax, and just remember to take care of yourself. We will see you in the next one. With that being said, this case does take place in Singapore and due to their intense privacy laws, all parties involved in today's case cannot be named, not even the perpetrators due to gag orders imposed by the court.
5:20In most online articles, all the perpetrators are given a single letter alias. So J, K, L, MNOP. And in court documents, they were referred to as C-E-G, C-E-K, C-E-L, and so on and so forth. Which would just make it so incredibly hard to follow for this episode. So I'm going to give everyone involved a nickname with their court designated letter to make it easier to follow. And for clarity, the nicknames of the wives of the perpetrators are going to start with the same letter. so for example James is Jay and his wife will be called Jennifer in this episode Kevin his wife will be called Kathy in this episode and so on and so forth and so one last disclaimer before we get started like I said this case takes place in Singapore and this is not I mean I don't think I need to say this but this is not a representation or even a judgment of Singapore or Singaporeans evil people literally exist everywhere and it's not like they exclusively stay in a single country In fact, Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the whole world So just keep that in mind and as always with foreign cases If there's anything more that you'd like us to know about the case or something that's been miscommunicated, please leave it in the comments Now let's get started James was a former safety officer who is now trying to make a name for himself live streaming He had set up all the cameras and he was researching up the mics He didn't set up the mics yet because they're a bit trickier He needed to think a little bit more about where am I gonna put it?
6:42Where's the best placement for the mics to pick up all the good sounds? But at least the cameras were up. So he starts live streaming straight away. He's texting all of his friends a link to his live stream and he's asking if they could kindly come and support him. Almost every single one of his friends showed up to every single live stream in the beginning. Even though there were no mics set up, they couldn't hear a single thing that James was doing or saying. Nothing. Just video. No audio. They showed up to give their unwavering support and encouragement. They were James's brothers, you know?
7:14After his lengthy live streams that usually happened in the middle of the night, his friends would stay up, even if they had work the next day, just to watch, just to support. Afterwards, his friends would flood the group chat with, Nice show. That was very well done. You thought of every detail. We loved it. You keep getting better and better at this. Keep it up. James is getting off on this praise. He would smile, dim the lights on his phone so that his sleeping wife wouldn't see what he's doing, and he would rewatch his own live stream. The one where he was engaging in intimate relations with his wife.
7:49His wife was completely unaware that there were hidden cameras installed in the corner of their bedroom ceilings, live streaming everything to James's closest friends, his family friends, his best friends, and all of his little online buddies that he met on Sammy Boy. Have you heard of Sammy Boy? So the forum Sammy Boy, has two worlds. You've got Sammy Boy Alfresco Coffee Forum, and then the Asian Values Forum. So the Sammy Boy Alfresco Coffee Forum is not about coffee. What? Sammy Boy is a... It's like a website. It's like Reddit, right? Reddit.com, SammyBoy.com. But there's two sides of Sammy Boy.
8:29So imagine if there is like the regular side of Reddit, and then the dark side of Reddit. I mean, you could argue that is how Reddit operates. But Sammy Boy is pretty distinct and how different it is. So the light side of Sammy Boy is called Sammy Boy's Alfresco Coffee Forum. And contrary to the name, it's not about coffee. I mean, this part of Sammy Boy really does kind of feel like Reddit. A little bit. I mean, it's much less moderated than the big subs on Reddit. But to just give you a general idea, the top threads of the day on this part are usually linked to current events, current news, religion, emigration.
9:05I mean, conversations about international news, what's going on with the local government in Singapore. People go on there to talk about just all sorts of random things. They go there to get opinions, to ask questions, to analyze everything that's happening in the news cycle. That's the lighter side of Sammy Boy. The dark side of Sammy Boy is called the Asian Values Forum. What a name. So that side of Sammy Boy is infamous and it's frequently in mainstream media news cycles for having explicit materials, trafficking, illegal hidden spy cam footage, and illegal upskirt photos being uploaded onto that forum.
9:40Now, side note, if you go to Sammy Boy's FAQ page, where they have, you know, all the frequently asked questions, they named the explicit side of their forum Asian Values because originally it was called the commercial scene in Singapore. But a lot of people complained that they couldn't look at it while they were at work because of the URL domain. Their bosses would pick up on it. Oh, so they're not hiding this information? like this is like publicly like hey come to my site for these type of content you don't understand how many hours me and a few of the other members on the rm team have been on samiboy.com basically the best yeah it is a very like questionable forum very questionable i will say it doesn't even compare to reddit and how questionable it is i know that reddit has kind of a sour history where a lot of dark things have happened through reddit but samiboy is like unregulated town i I would maybe consider it more on par with 4chan is the vibe.
10:39Yeah, it's really intense. Now, a lot of people complained when it was called the commercial X scene in Singapore. They couldn't look at it at work because their bosses would get a list of all the URL domains that they would access while they were at work. And that's very obvious that it's a nasty website. That's why they changed it to Asian Values Forum, which is considerate, I guess. So the forum was started as a Yelp page for sex work. Now to give you some more context, sex work is legal in Singapore, but it is highly, highly, highly regulated. There is only one single legal red light district in Singapore.
11:14There are more than like a hundred brothels in there, but they're heavily monitored by a division in the Singapore police force. Each brothel has to be properly licensed and it's estimated to cost about a million dollars to even set up a brothel. The law dictates that each brothel has to organize regular medical checkups for the workers. All the workers themselves have to be licensed and come from one of the five following countries, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore. All of them need to be medically registered in Singapore. So it started as a place to review different brothels in different happy ending massage therapy places.
11:51It's like Yelp for the Red Light District. That's why it started, the forum. And while some of that still exists, it's kind of branched off into this general conversations about anything explicit. It's just dumped onto Sammy Boy. There are threads for explicit fantasy stories, threads for conversations about special interest kinks, right? And it's just a general place for people to gather and talk about very explicit things. But there is barely any moderation. I mean, it's kind of weird. It seems like they take moderation seriously when it comes to things like shit posting. That's what they call it, where you just like mass post the same thing on different threads, but not much moderation in the sense of posting questionable, if not illegal content.
12:38Sammy Boy themselves wrote on their website, Juvenile crap will be deleted. This forum is not for pimple faced teenagers to discuss their first wet dream or to ask about where the girl's body parts are located. If you want to learn about the basics of adult activity, ask your teacher or your dad. Sammy's forums are designed for experienced fornicators. Wow. You can even pay a premium monthly membership, which is about$18 a month. And that comes with a promise that the content that you post will not be moderated at all. So it's kind of turned into this breeding ground for questionable activity.
13:13The header of the premium membership says, please note, this forum is full of homophobes, racists, lunatics, schizophrenics, and absolute nutjobs. If you believe that content generated by unsavory characters might cause you offense, please leave now. Sammy Boy admin and staff are not responsible for your hurt feelings should you choose to read any of the content here. To give you even more context on what kind of threads can be found on there, many threads are some sort of variation of come share your wife pic, which is done with or without the wife's consent, and usually we're talking about explicit photos.
13:49We're not talking about profile pictures. Another one is called upskirting my employer. Both are explicit threads and the upskirting employer thread is just, I mean, it's really illegal. It's exactly what it sounds. It's for people who want to post illegally taken upskirt photos of female colleagues in the workplace. which I mean we've heard of this happening in subways or very busy areas where people feel like they can just take upskirt photos of strangers but to take illegal upskirt photos of your colleagues that you're interacting with on a professional level on a daily basis it's like a notch above on the scale of messed up and illegal there's explicit revenge videos posted on sammy boy pictures and videos of girlfriends and wives being shared without their knowledge nor their consent and you would think that most people would be so turned off by this i was getting freaked out on there i genuinely felt like the fbi was gonna knock on my door because i don't know why so much of the threads just felt so illegal i'm like how am i accessing this website sounds super illegal like i don't know how any of them are not being investigated for the things that they're doing you know a lot of people were arrested because of sammy boy right And this is probably one of the biggest ones, but it's still operating like very similarly to what it was before.
15:06It's just crazy. I mean, you would think that most people would be turned off by something that's so blatantly illegal and immoral. But one college student from Singapore who is an active user of Sammy Boy, he said, you know, I actually go to Sammy Boy for the non-consensual content. He said it was so much better than the conventional X-rated websites. Because in those videos, he's like, you know, there's like a whole production team. There's paid actors. They're not really having fun. They're not really like enjoying the activity. Whereas the content on Sammy Boy, it's so much more authentic.
15:41He said he was addicted. He said the only way he would stop consuming this illegal content is probably the day he dies. He said sometimes if he sits there for too long and thinks about it, he kind of feels a little guilty for enjoying such content. But then he thinks, you know what? no matter what, someone's going to post this content. And just because I stopped watching doesn't mean people will stop posting. So if the content is out there and I watch it and I don't watch it, like what difference does it make? He said, I know it's wrong, but what can they do to me? He said, technically he's just streaming explicit videos, which is legal.
16:18The people that should be in trouble are the ones uploading and downloading the content. And a few did get in trouble. There was this fantasy story writer on Sammy Boy who was jailed for uploading hidden camera footage to accompany his stories. So he would write these really intense, vulgar, X-rated stories like fantasies. They're fake, fictitious stories. But then he would throw in real life hidden camera footage pictures to accompany the stories at the right parts where he felt like, oh, this matches the scene. But the worst part of all of this is the explicit photos that he used were all women that he personally knew.
16:54He went into his mother-in-law's house and installed secret cameras into her bathroom. He took photos and videos of his sister-in-law showering, uploaded them to Sammy Boy. He's a church guy. He went to all of his church friends' houses and installed hidden cameras into one of his church friends' homes, watched her shower, uploaded it to Sammy Boy. He was finally caught, but there's more. There's so many incidents like this do we know what he what his sentence was a few years and i mean this forum just gives very very very very strong bro energy and i'm not just saying that a lot of the commentators on there actually call each other sbf bro which means sammy boy forum bro there's a whole sammy boy dictionary that you can go to which has shorthand abbreviated terms and a lot of them deal with women's bodies and actions tarma means when there's three parties involved in explicit activities There's a word for a regular looking average girl.
17:52There's another word for a hot girl, a hot female. That's what they call it. Thailand is abbreviated into LOS, the land of smiles. And I'm sure that they're not referring to the TripAdvisor recommended activities to do in Thailand. I'm sure they're hinting at the industry in Thailand. Then you have papaya farm, which means whorehouse. PCN means lousy service. And you know what kind of service I'm talking about. There's O-M-F-I-A-M-P, which I felt like was unnecessarily long, but it stands for one man's food is another man's poison, which is typically used to describe women that you think are ugly, but other people think are pretty.
18:34And there's EMA. This is a very commonly used term on Sammy Boy, and it stands for extramarital affairs. There was a post made on Sammy Boy about a woman who found out that her husband was cheating on her through his Sammy Boy account. He was using the forum to look for happy ending massage parlors that give extra services. Her husband was in the comments giving reviews of some of these places saying things like, oh, the service at this place was not bad, smiley face. And this woman, this wife, she took to Sammy Boy to kind of talk about how she has very low self-confidence from all of this. She did some investigating and it turns out that her husband made the account right after she gave birth to their first child.
19:14and now she thinks about it and she says maybe it's my fault because after I gave birth he tried to initiate intimate relations and I just wasn't in the mood after giving birth but now I'm wondering if maybe it's my fault because I kept saying no so now he's on Sammy Boy looking for you know ex workers the original post was on a different website and forum and she was genuinely looking for advice. It got reposted to Sammy Boy. The comments were brutal. They wrote, dumb woman, if you treat him like a man that he deserves to be, all this wouldn't have happened. This woman should go and learn from those derogatory term for Chinese women on how to seduce women.
19:55The only way to prevent your hubby from starving is to, quote, feed him with as much activity as possible. The lady in the story clearly took things for granted. She practically pushed him into the brothels. What an idiotic woman. So yeah, that's what's on Sammy Boy. And you know how on Reddit, there's subs that you can go on and ask for relationship advice. Knowing what you know now about Sammy Boy, would you go on there with the intention of finding real applicable tips on how to better your relationship? Probably not. It's like the last place that you would post about it. Like, is this really the place to go to learn about how to be better connected to your partner?
20:31I mean, I went to the most generic thread for marriage advice on Sammy boy. The original poster was asking about what being married is like and any advice since he's about to get married soon. Which side note, even the original post was so alarming. The OP wrote, I guess my girlfriend's biological body probably needs a home. I really do like her, so I don't really mind marrying her. It ends with any good and sound advice from you senior guys here who have been through this life changing milestone. The top responses are, marriage is not a word, but a sentence. A life sentence. And the classic, you're not very smart boy, why buy a cow when the milk is very cheap at the market?
21:14And another, you can still cheat on her while she's at university. Someone commented, post her photo, that's needed to make a sound decision. which leads me again to believe perhaps this is not the best place to be looking for marriage advice like if you genuinely want to work on your marriage right james disagreed james had some very intense relationship marriage trauma that he wanted to talk to someone about to give you some context james and jennifer they got married in 2008 one year into the marriage jennifer was pregnant with their very first daughter they're going to go on to have four daughters right But this is their first kid.
21:51This is such a beautiful moment for the both of them. They're both so excited. They're nesting. They're setting up the nursery. And James is continuously showing that excitement by sleeping with another woman the whole time that Jennifer is pregnant with their daughter. Jennifer catches him. Now, we don't have more details on this, but we do know that she probably found out. And for a long list of reasons, she ends up staying with him. It's pretty clear, though, that the infidelity while she's pregnant, I mean, it's going to take a massive toll on their relationship. It's going to take a massive toll on her mental state.
22:25James said that Jennifer would bring up his cheating all the time. And each time she brought it up, she would have so much anger and hurt in her voice. And she would say something along the lines of, well, if you can cheat on me, I can cheat on you too. You know, James wrote on the Sammy boy forum that his wife was making him quote, live in fear and anxiety. He said he was living in fear. He was worried, so sick of worrying and so anxious that his wife might actually cheat and be unfaithful. And the idea of that made him want to throw up. While he is worried sick, he showed his wife a video of two men and a woman, okay, doing intimate things.
23:08And he tells her, this is something I want to do. She told him, are you crazy? Are you out of your mind? I'm not doing that. We're not bringing another man into our bedroom. And he goes on to Sammy boy to say, after everything that we've been through, after she keeps rubbing this in my face, like, well, I can cheat on you too. She can't even give me this. On one hand, he's living in fear that his wife is going to cheat on him. On the other hand, his ultimate fantasy was to have another man join them in the bedroom and she just turned him down. So he goes on to Sammy boy to vent out all of his frustrations.
23:41Now, we don't really know exactly what kind of responses or advice he was receiving, but this is a website that has a full on thread of men even debating the pros and cons of cheating on their wives. There's a whole thread. I was on there for like an hour because I was just so appalled. Pros and cons of cheating. On your wife. I wonder if they write any cons or is it just all pros, no cons? Yeah, some people wrote cons and they said, you know, once trust is broken, it's broken, which is a very generic thing to say. But one commentator wrote, I guess when the opportunity comes, I cheat. If my wife does the same, though, I can't accept it.
24:18A painful revenge is the easy way out. Why do I do this? And why am I like this? You ask? Because I'm an asshole and I don't give a f***. The truth is, I'm quite sure that I'm no different than most of the men on this thread. So that's great. One person wrote the idea that they don't think cheating is good. They said you should not cheat, but they said it like this. I think sexual desires and needs will never be fully fulfilled. There are certain fantasies which I can never tell my wife about. Also, I can't turn her into a hot Latina model, but I gotta use my brain, so I'm not gonna cheat on my wife.
24:54This is the pool of people we're dealing with, and when James goes to write about how his wife has been holding a grudge against him since he cheated on her while she was pregnant. He said he knows this because she, quote, repeatedly tells me that if I can do as such, she can do the same as well. Since then, I have been living in fear and suspense. He also stated recently that Jennifer, his wife, has been acting cold towards him and there's been a shift. He suspects that she is sleeping with her boss. They've been getting closer and closer together. It doesn't even feel like a work relationship anymore.
25:26He said, I'm worried that this is heading towards something that might go wrong. He posts this and the comments start pouring in personally. I mean, I think they're ill-advised suggestions, but they're all along the lines of, if she stayed with you after you cheated on her, that means she forgave you. She can't hold this over your head. And you shouldn't have to live in fear all day, my poor sweet boy. Have you thought about setting a trap for your wife? At least that way you'll know for sure if she's cheating or not. At least that way you don't have to deal with the anxiety of not knowing for certain.
25:57That is when James decides to set up a honey trap. These are services that you can actually purchase to test your partner's loyalty. They exist not just in Singapore, but like all over the world. You could do it in the US. I've seen TikTokers do it. There's one TikToker who made her whole career off of being a honey trap or what they call it like a honey. So this is very different from hiring a private investigator because you have suspicions that your partner is cheating. This is hiring someone to go out of their way, hunt down your significant other online or in person and flirt with them. See if they're willing to cheat on you.
26:32This is a honey trap. Nowadays, you can pay a platform about$100, hire a tester to flirt with your partner online to see if they'll respond. And if they ignore it or flat out deny the tester, that'll be sent to the wife or the husband. And these days, the honeys, the testers, they never even meet with their subjects. It's all done online. They just message them, trying to get a response out of them. They send screenshots to the partners as proof. but James, James wanted more. He's like if I'm setting a honey trap for my wife, they're gonna sleep with my wife. It's really weird because James did not want to divorce his wife.
27:09So I have heard of people trying to do honey traps when they're in custody battles. They'll hire a professional honey to try and get some sort of evidence of an affair of infidelity because this works against them in child custody battles. But this, I don't know what James's end game is here. He's just trying to be like, uh-huh, I don't know. He just wants someone to sleep with his wife. And he felt like this guy named Owen from Sammy Boy was the perfect fit. James chose Owen because Owen drove a BMW. Yeah. James said, I chose him eventually because my ex-boyfriend drove a BMW. So I just, I assumed.
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27:49I mean, based off that assumption, it seems like James thinks his wife is someone that's just interested in material goods and would be tempted by any man that drove a BMW. He decides, okay, perfect. Owen is going to try and sleep with my wife and I'm going to help him. Everybody else on this thread is warning James, telling him like, do not trust this Owen guy. I'm telling you right now, things aren't going to go well for you, James. Owen has a history of being very sneaky on these threads. So he's trying to have another guy, owen sleep with the wife or seduce the wife as a honey seduce the wife and eventually sleep with the wife oh okay it's really weird so he's saying i'm so scared my wife is cheating on me so i'm gonna set up a date with her with another man so she can cheat on me okay is what he's saying basically so he's not scared the wife is cheating he just want to watch it he just wants to watch it yeah basically that's what's happening he just wants his wife to sleep with another man and I think he wants to get involved later.
28:51It's just the way that he's like concocting all of this and pulling the strings is just so bizarre. So everybody's warning him like, don't let Owen do this. This is gonna backfire on you. But James said, you know, the way that Owen expressed himself, he was very confident. I liked him. So they set up all these rules that made James feel reassured. Owen was gonna tell him everything that happened between the two of them. Even if it's just a mundane text message, Owen would report anything that Jennifer said to him. James told him this is the only way this plan works. Because as long as I feel like I have the power to pull out at any time, and I tell you to stop talking to my wife, you stop talking to my wife, that's the only way that this is going to be okay.
29:29If there's anything I'm uncomfortable with, I'm just going to tell you to stop.
29:43James adds Owen on Skype, and they start planning together. James is like, okay, here's my wife's Facebook account. Let's set you up a new fake persona. They create a Facebook profile by the name of Brad Chan. They add some people, add some pictures to make it look very realistic. And then he starts DMing Jennifer. So now Owen is direct messaging Jennifer, James's wife. And I'm sure James gave Owen the rundown of all the things that his wife likes, doesn't like, so that they could just hit it off right away. And they do. every single day it seems like James is obsessively checking his phone for reports from Owen.
30:19He wants to know what did she say? Did she flirt with you? Did she send you a picture? Did you guys respond? Are you guys going to meet up yet? When? So the two, Owen and Jennifer, they talk online for about a month until finally Jennifer agrees to meet up with him in person. They go to the local park to grab dinner and I don't know what James is feeling. I'm sure it's a mix of emotions. I'm sure he's upset that his wife would actually meet up with another man. And for a romantic dinner date at the park, with all of that, I mean, there's probably some sort of anger there, right? But he also seems oddly excited.
30:52He wanted Owen to report back every little detail about that first date. And I feel like we all know how this is going to end. It's not going to end well. After the dinner, Owen starts messaging James again on Skype, and he's telling him, Well, yeah, we shared a bottle of wine together. And intimacy-wise, we did hold hands for a while. Then I hugged her and we kissed. So the first date, it goes so well that the two, they make plans to meet each other again. This time that they're going to go for lunch at another park nearby. Now, after this date, this is when things start getting interesting. Owen reports back to James again.
31:30Yeah, it was more or less the same thing as the first date. You know, wine, hand-holding, making out. Yeah, same stuff. That's it. Owen apparently lied. He didn't tell James that their second date went so well that the two of them found a hotel afterwards and had full sexual relations. And maybe sneaky little Owen was starting to like Jennifer because he starts distancing himself from James. He starts acting like the whole thing with James' wife is kind of fizzling out. We're not really talking anymore. She hasn't really responded. We're not really into it anymore. When in reality, Owen and Jennifer are texting even more now.
32:08They're getting even closer. This goes on for like two months until October 26, 2010. James took his wife on a staycation, the one at the Marina Bay Sands, found the text messages of her talking about how she wishes she was sleeping with Owen instead of her husband. And James immediately confronts Jennifer. But instead of telling his wife, hey, I snooped through your phone. He said, you know, our neighbor stopped by the other day to talk to me. They said that they were out and they saw you walking into a hotel with another man holding hands. Jennifer didn't even try to deny it. She just admitted it very swiftly.
32:45She's like, yeah, I'm having an affair. But she told James that I'm done talking to the guy. We're no longer seeing each other if that matters. Why not? Well, because he brought up the idea of a threesome. So Owen had allegedly suggested to Jennifer that he wanted to sleep with Jennifer and her husband at the same time. Jennifer has no idea that Owen even knows James. Jennifer was so grossed out by this suggestion, she blocked him on all platforms soon after. So it seems like James forgave her. Or at least Jennifer was under the impression that her husband was over it. They were moving on from it.
33:22And I'm sure Jennifer felt a little bit of guilt about what happened and how it must have made her husband feel. She had no clue that James was the one that set Owen up to talk to her, that he had been getting detailed reports from Owen about everything that they talked about, at least in the beginning. And now she's got no clue that James is still talking to Owen over Skype. James tells Owen, change of plans. He wanted Owen to fully assault his wife while he watched, and it was going to happen on their three-year wedding anniversary. A symbolic moment. March 14th, 2011 James hands Jennifer a glass of wine She takes it and she clinks it next to his Like they had been through a lot You know, marriage is tough Having kids is rough Overcoming infidelity is even tougher But at least today is something worth celebrating They've been married for three years Jennifer takes a sip and another The wine was spiked with crushed up sleeping pills It was odorless, tasteless, colorless and it was a little weird that she felt very drunk very fast, but she could have thought maybe she didn't eat before she drank.
34:29Maybe she was just drunk off the energy or the love in the house that night. And just like that, she's out cold. And this is in the safety of her home. Just like keep that in mind. One moment she's drowsy from the wine, the next minute unresponsive. James texts Owen and waits for him. In the meantime, he drags his wife's limp body to the bed, blindfolds her just in case she wakes up and opens her eyes. And he's patiently waiting for this man to get here. The man who's having an affair with his wife to come over and now assault his wife while he watched. James said that he has two distinct memories from the very first time that this happened, because it's going to happen again and again and again.
35:11And this is from James. So take it with a grain of salt. He said he remembered Owen essaying his wife. He remembered watching it. And then after he left, James said he remembered cleaning his wife up and crying and sobbing, asking himself, what have I done? What have I done? James said on one hand, he felt so guilty. But on the other hand, there was this excitement of watching Owen essay his wife. It didn't feel real, he said. He said, even today, I cannot imagine myself standing there and watching. But he did. And then he wouldn't shut up about it. He starts going on all these random Sammy boy threads about wife swapping, which, you know, it's not wife swapping what he's doing.
35:53And he starts making friends with random people on the internet that have the same interest as him. And he shares the story of what happened with Owen. And one of the guys, his name is Matt. Matt is like, that's so intriguing. I want to be a part of this. Please let me be a part of this. James is like, oh, yeah, you want a turn? Let me give you a turn. James drugs his wife, Jennifer, once more, making sure that she's unconscious and waits for another man to come into their house where their four daughters live. They've got four kids, four daughters, and a man that he met online is coming over to assault his wife while the kids are asleep.
36:27And he's watching yet again. This time he even took it a step further and started recording the entire thing. He wanted photos and videos to remember the assault by. And for eight years, he would drug his wife, the mother of his four daughters. He would drug her, drag her unconscious body to the bed. their marital bed where she's supposed to feel the safest and the most protective and James would invite men from the internet over to assault his wife while he not only watched but started taking videos and photos soon more people on Sammy boy started being intrigued by James and his wife they all wanted to join James connected with a man named Kevin on Sammy boy and Kevin was like, James, I want the same thing that you're doing, right?
37:14But my wife, Kathy, is just like Jennifer. You know, I thought it would be perfect because your wife and my wife, like we could swap wives, if you will. But Kathy would never in a million years, like she would never consent to it. So they decided, okay, then Kathy can also be drugged. It's no big deal. And they start developing an MO. At this point, James had already drugged his wife before. But this is when they really start having like a system. They started drugging the woman with something called dormicum as a sedative. It's categorized as a benzodiazepine and it's unique for being very fast acting.
37:50If injected, it takes about five minutes to kick in. If it's taken orally, it only takes about 15 minutes and it dissolves in water. It's odorless, colorless, tasteless. It's a terrifying date. And if you remember the burning sun case, this is a very similar type of drug. The drugs are metabolized and they leave the system really quickly, typically within a day. So it's even harder to catch, at least on the police investigation front. And I don't even think I need to tell you about how dangerous that is, especially since the husband's planned on mixing it with their wife's alcoholic beverages.
38:21That's even more reckless. So they're already risking their wife's health and life by administering this sedative without a prescription and even more so by mixing it into alcohol. A doctor who has knowledge on this said that when this drug is mixed in with alcohol, increasing the dosage without waiting to see the actual effect, coupled with the alcohol intake, there's a very high risk of over-sedation, which could lead to suppression of breathing, which could in turn lead to inadequate oxygen in the blood. In severe cases, this can lead to brain damage. A sedated person is unconscious and therefore unable to avoid any visible danger and could potentially even ingest their own vomit into their lungs and die.
39:02It could be fatal. But they were like, no, this is perfect because you don't remember a single thing when you wake up. You don't even have like a feeling. You have, it's just a blank space. Someone cut it out of your memory. Kevin invites James over after drugging his wife Kathy and he watched as James assaulted Kathy. So now James went from being the watcher to the assaulter. He took photos and videos and james wanted more men to come and assault his wife But he also wanted to assault more men's wives It's very complicated In the end these monsters just wanted to physically mentally emotionally Violate the person that they're supposed to love and respect the most And they just kept this sick little cycle going adding more people in from sammy boy Kevin invited james over to assault his wife kathy then he decided he was going to assault his wife right after James.
39:55I mean, I don't believe for a second that any of these guys felt guilty about anything that they did. Even now, they're crying and moaning about how remorseful they are. I don't think so. At one point, James just straight up asks and demands to assault an ex-wife of one of the husbands. So remember the guy named Matt who came over and assaulted Jennifer? Yes. They met through Sammy boy and James helped Matt assault his wife Jennifer. And now he's like, it's my turn. But the problem is Matt's like, well, I'm no longer married. My ex-wife Mary, she still lives with me, but we're not together. James is like, that's fine.
40:33She doesn't have to be your wife for me to assault her. James wanted a very twisted tit for tat. Like I give you one, an eye for an eye. Come on. So he waited until Jennifer was out of town for a work trip. He told Matt to bring his ex-wife Mary over under the guise that James would have some work opportunities for her. He spiked her drink, assaulted her. So not only is James having men from the internet come over to assault his wife in their family home, but when his wife goes out of town, he's having another woman come over so that he can drug and assault her all in their family home where they again raise four daughters.
41:10Mary was drugged and it was said that she was slurring her words before she fell unconscious. Matt, her ex-husband, helped prop her up so that James could assault her. And they made sure to get a ton of pictures and videos from it. Not that they needed to, because before Matt and Mary even got there, James had turned on all the secret cameras so that he was able to live stream the whole assault to all of their buddies on Sammy Boy. So it wasn't an open live stream where anybody on Sammy Boy could watch. You needed a password, but a lot of people could watch. When they were done, James kept Mary's undergarments so that he could gift it to one of the boys in the group later.
41:50He gave them to a guy named Nick. I actually did manage to find one of James's comments on a thread. In a thread titled, quote, most perverted things done, question mark. James, he had like four different accounts on one of his accounts called Newbie to All This. He wrote, my most recent experience was to invite an SBF bro over to my place to watch my wifey's ex videos and pics. And if they got a fetish for her lingerie, I let them help themselves to her wardrobe and laundry basket. It's so nice to see, especially young guys lusting over my wife. LOL. Can it even be considered as some sort of perversion?
42:30What? Basically being like, is this really even that perverted? a lot of people were responding to his post saying wow can you invite me too i love panties hi bro can you invite me over next time i hope i can join this group so james is loving it he keeps posting videos and photos of his wife being assaulted by other men they would add little captions to the photos and videos so kevin would send videos to james of james assaulting kevin's wife kathy and he would write to james it would be nice if you managed to knock up my wife kathy what which like we don't even need to go down that road of deciphering how messed up that is they've already tried to strip Kathy of her bodily autonomy but now they're like let's take it a step further the idea that she would be impregnated by her r-worder and her husband is encouraging that is another level of depraved the men refer to their wives as sluts and plan to get more assaulters to come on board and they really had this fantasy of impregnating their wives with the assaulters DNA.
43:34This part is very disturbing. James, like I said, had four daughters and he discussed in great detail with Owen about how Owen should come over to assault Jennifer in the kid's room while the children were asleep. Wow. They laughed about how their wives were too dumb to even know what's going on. They were poking fun at the fact that they as husbands, they wanted to have threesomes. They wanted to bring another man into the bedroom. The wives said, you're crazy. Don't ever talk about stuff like that. No, no, no, no, no. And they said, you know, the wives think they won, but in reality, we're still doing it.
44:12That was their whole hee hee ha ha thing. James messaged Kevin, women like Jennifer and Kathy, no matter how smart they think they are, they eventually get outsmarted by their husbands. Hee hee. James goes on to say, I bet both of them still think that they're their husband's loyal wife, making fun of the fact that neither of them know that other men have violated their bodies. Additionally, they talked about their wives as if they were just objects or property to be given and gifted. Kevin told James in one instance that Kathy is, quote, always yours, implying that Kathy belongs to Kevin and Kevin is gifting Kathy to James.
44:50On Nick's birthday dinner, this is another man that gets involved and assaults James's wife, Jennifer. On Nick's birthday, James sends him a picture of Nick assaulting Jennifer and wrote in the caption, happy birthday. I will always be knocked out waiting for you in bed from your sister, Jennifer. He would also steal his wife's clothes and underwear to gift them to Nick like a souvenir for the crimes that they've committed. Like it's just a husband's world and the wives are just living in it. And I think now is probably a good time for a disclaimer. There are a lot of husbands who want to watch their wives be passionate with other men.
45:28I think it goes without saying that I personally don't shame people as long as everything they do is between consenting adults and no laws are being broken. I just feel like it's not my place to have an opinion on what people are into. And I almost feel like I need to give you the psychology behind these interests that people have. Because if I don't, it does feel like in a lot of mainstream media articles, James is being grouped into this wife swapper community. And it just ends up demonizing a whole group of people who don't do anything wrong. A lot of media reports say that this is a wife sharing case, a wife swapping case, but it's not really.
46:04It's an assault case. Wife swapping, wife sharing when done properly is not illegal. So to undo some of that stigma, we're going to go down the psychology of why someone might be interested in watching their partner with someone else and how that differs from James and what he did because James is not part of these people, right? I mean, it's very different. You'd be very surprised at how many people out there are interested in watching their wives sleep with someone else. I think it's one of those things where we can very easily react and say, well, that's crazy. Well, I could never, right? And that's perfectly fine if you don't want to.
46:38But it does seem like there's a lot of solid psychology behind the intrigue of something like this. And this is what I've been able to gather just as a whole from this genre, if you will. So again, this is not James psychology, because he's not part of this group. But right off the bat, the aspect that kept coming up in Reddit threads about this was the mixture of really good and really bad emotions that are really intense. They said it reminds them of Christmas. When you hear the Christmas songs and you see the lights, you smell the nutmeg and the spiced apples and the pine. It's this comforting and very happy feeling.
47:14But there's also kind of a sadness because you think about all the days that have gone by and how you're no longer young and Christmas is no longer stress-free. And there's almost like a kind of a mixture of sorrow. A Redditor said, just like how that mixture of joy and slight sadness makes Christmas special, it makes this whole experience special. And I'm not speaking for everyone. This is just what I could find from hours and hours of Redditing this topic. It seems like the husbands, the ones who will watch, go through a series of really intense emotions. And I do think that this can, to a degree, be applied to James, but not fully.
47:50We'll get into it. So the first emotion, they said, is excitement and nerves. It's so taboo. There's such a thrill in doing something that's considered forbidden by society. They think it's naughty, and that in itself is so exciting. You know, society says you should never cheat on your partner. You should never actively and so bluntly cheat on your partner literally in front of them. Then they said that there's happiness and joy at seeing your partner being happy and having such unique experiences. So this is to emphasize that the wife's participation, consent, and enjoyment of this process is a huge part of why some husbands would want to partake in these activities.
48:31Because they are seeing their wife be happy is what they were explaining on Reddit. One husband said, you know, and it's also my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world to me. I'd rather watch her than some adult actress that I don't know so there's that voyeurism aspect some husbands said that it's like seeing your wife from a whole new angle only when you're not part of the activity can you see her from the outside and focus on like her every minute movement and expressions and then they said this is where it gets complicated the jealousy and insecurity starts to hit the husband perhaps there's an edge of embarrassment and self-doubt even Some husbands believe the humiliation aspect of feeling weaker or lesser than or not really a man adds an extra layer of excitement to the whole process.
49:19And they said that you'll start wondering, oh, am I not good enough for my wife? And once it's over, now this is what I see a lot of husbands on Reddit at least talk about. It's called reclaiming. Between the husband and wife, they said it's one of the most intense things ever. Now, again, just from an outsider trying to understand something that's very nuanced and complicated, I kept coming across people talking about this, so I tried to research it. Apparently, there's a biological side to this. Have you heard of sperm competition? No. Okay, I guess to put it more eloquently, it would fall under mate guarding.
49:56So studies have shown that if a man thinks his wife may have cheated on him, the more likely he is to want to have intimate relations with her, like psychologically. Oftentimes, even the physical volume of the product that comes out at the end will be greater in volume. There will be more of the final fluid. Because biologically, I guess men are wired to try and get rid of the potential rival's product if we're like really going into like caveman thought process. I'm saying scientifically studies shown that if someone found out the wife cheated, the man will have like a biological reaction. Yes.
50:39Now, I'm not saying that they'll act on it. Like don't go around cheating on your husband's thinking like they're going to like it. They're not going to like it. Right. Biologically, there seems to be some sort of connection with more production of that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just going through some of the psychology of that, like the fact that a huge important part of the process so far is for the husbands to watch and enjoy their wives be happy and excited. That seems to be a main point for every single person that I came across on Reddit. Wife participation is key, not just legally, but for the whole process to even be exciting for these husbands.
51:13So it's very clear that this is like wife swapping is being demonized in this case. And it's evident that James is not a wife swapper. and if I could just be an armchair therapist for like one second because think about it the psychology and thought process here is just so unhinged side note me explaining what I think is going on in this evil brain of James is not a justification nor an excuse or even trying to be understanding for someone like him I think I'm genuinely just intrigued by his thought process and these are all opinions not professional diagnosis or fact James claims he did all of this because his wife made passing comments about cheating on him.
51:51He said that he felt nonstop fear and suspicion that she was cheating on him and his solution is to watch someone assault his wife over and over again. It feels like there's multiple elements here. First, maybe perhaps if he's not lying, he's almost trying to get rid of that anxiety or fear of his wife cheating on him by just making her cheat on him through assault. And there is the sick power that he feels by humiliating his wife in such a ghastly way. I think if you ask any woman about one of their biggest fears in life, it's to be essayed. And to facilitate the essay of your wife, that is one of the most vengeful, spiteful, violent things I've heard in a while.
52:34There's a comment I read on Reddit about this case. Well, about a different case, but I think it sums up this one really well. It says, this is about possessiveness. It's not about being a husband. It's about being an owner. He hates his wife being looked at by other guys in situations that he can't control because in his mind, she is his property. He wants his wife to have intimate relations with another guy in a situation he set up and controls because he sees his wife as property that he decides to lend out on his terms. A part of it is the importance of him being able to make his wife do something she doesn't even want to do.
53:11We don't know if Jennifer felt gaps in her memory. We don't know if maybe she was beginning to suspect something because sometimes after drinking wine with her husband, she wouldn't even drink that much, but she would wake up the next morning and have no recollection of the night before. We don't know if she felt suspicious about any of that. But we do know that James literally did not care. Like he could not care less. He didn't care for her health or her mental well-being. One time, James had plans for one of the internet guys to come over and assault his wife. But Jennifer was feeling a bit sick that night.
53:41So she's like, I don't want to drink wine. wine. I'm feeling sick. Like, that's so weird. Stop pushing this cup of wine on me. I don't want a glass of wine. And he's like, okay, no, no, that's fine. He's being so kind. He's sympathizing with her and he tells her, I'm going to tuck you into bed and grab some meds. He comes back with a pill and a glass of water. Jennifer didn't know what this pill was because I mean, how many times have you taken a pill from your husband and you just assume it's probably Advil. It's probably this, right? And she trusts her husband to feed her medicine. Instead, while she's sick, she's drugged and assaulted that night while her husband watched and filmed.
54:16January 1st, 2020, New Year's Day, Jennifer noticed James had fallen asleep and he was watching a video on his phone. So she walks over and grabs his phone and turn off the video. But a new Skype message comes in from someone she didn't know. So she's kind of intrigued. You know, it's an interesting username. She clicked it. The phone opens this chat log and words just start jumping off at the screen at her. I mean, I'm sure she started feeling panicked. They were talking about how their wives are clueless, about how they're going to do it again, when they're going to do it again, how hot each other's wives are.
54:48She starts scrolling up on the chat to see the previous chat log. And there are pictures of herself. And I'm sure in the beginning, it wasn't even registering. Like, I think if that were me, the first reaction I would have would be, are these deep fakes? Because I don't remember taking a single one of these photos. She did not remember a single one of these photos. but they were of her, naked, blindfolded, in her bed. Those were her sheets, her pillow and there would be, in one picture, it was just like her blindfolded face and two male parts hovering over her. But if she did think it was faked or edited or maybe not her, just someone who looked like her, those doubts were squashed.
55:25She's scrolling, reading as fast as she can and it's clear that this is a chat between Kevin and Kevin and James are both assaulting her in her sleep when she's drugged and passed out. So New Year's Day, Jennifer slaps James across the face, wakes him up and shoves the phone in his face. She's like, I need answers right now. She wanted to know everything. What are they talking about? When did it happen? The pictures? When was that? Who was in there? The two men? Who are the men? James quickly confesses to everything. Well, not everything. He says, yeah, so Kevin did assault you. He's basically saying it was just Kevin.
55:58It was just Kevin. He said he took the picture where she's blindfolded and it was just him and Kevin. and she's like who the hell is Kevin Jennifer demands James take her to Kevin right now so that she can confront him and see if James is telling the truth James hesitantly drives her to Kevin's place and she starts confronting both of them they both confess they're basically on their knees begging for forgiveness and understanding saying it was a one-time thing they just wanted to swap wives like one time after drugging them that's it Kevin admitted to assaulting Jennifer James admitted to assaulting Kathy and they told her it was just a stupid stupid thing.
56:31They were just wanting to try something different and it was a stupid stupid fantasy and they would never do it again. They felt so bad about it. All of that. January 2nd 2020 the day after Jennifer went to the police and filed a report and that's when the truth starts unraveling. Detailed plans on facilitating the assaults and potential impregnation of their wives by other men and almost every single assault was documented in depth with pictures and videos. She discovered that her husband James had been live streaming their own intimate moments straight out of their bedroom. Jennifer would later say that James did try to initiate intimacy with her like every other day.
57:08And she felt like it was very frequent. So maybe it was for the live streams. And whenever James had any free time, she said that he was constantly these days watching X-rated videos. Once she caught James trying to call one of his friends while they were having intimate relations, it was weird. Like he tried to play it off probably like it was a butt dial, but she it was weird. Later, it's discovered that he likely just wanted his friend to overhear them on the phone. Over the span of eight years, Jennifer's own husband had fantasized, coordinated and facilitated numerous assaults against her.
57:45She was assaulted by Owen, Matt, Larry, Kevin and Nick. The photos and videos of the assaults were shared to God knows how many people.
58:05And in Singapore, there's a very interesting punishment that select prisoners must face. A lot of it is more mental than anything. Psychological. If a prisoner is sentenced to this specific punishment, they don't know when it's coming. Every day they wake up in prison wondering, is today the day? Every day they're in prison, other inmates will tell them these horror stories about it. Oh, you were sentenced to that? It's really bad. Really bad. You see that guy over there that's drooling and staring at the wall? He had that punishment. Yeah, never the same ever since then. The other prisoners, they burst out laughing and you have no idea if they're joking around or if they're being serious.
58:45Every time a guard makes eye contact with you, you wonder, are they going to call my name? Is it time for my punishment? One prisoner says, each and every day in prison, you sleep, you wake up, and you worry. I waited three months before it happened to me. Three months, I was just waiting. And then it happens. Your inmate number and name are called, and you're going. Today is the day. So you try to act nonchalant. You can't show the other prisoners that you're nervous or scared, but you have no idea what's about to happen to you. You and the other prisoners get taken into a waiting room. It's kind of like a viewing room.
59:16When you walk in, you notice a giant window that looks directly into another room. And in that second room, there's this big wooden structure. Looks like a contraption, maybe like a giant ladder. And there's a muscular man just lined up against the wall. They call them commandos, the men. And they're all holding five foot long sticks, a cane. The sticks are about a half inch in diameter, which doesn't sound very thick. but in this case, thinner might be worse. Two people are escorted into the room with the commandos, the muscular men. They each get changed into a special padded jacket and pants.
59:56The pants have a hole where their butts are. So now their butts are fully exposed. They're told to bend over the wooden frame. Their ankles are tied down. Their wrists are tied down. They're fully bent over, creating a 90 degree angle. They cannot move. There's a wooden bar on either side of their torso and one supporting their stomach. So they can't move their arms, legs, stomach. They can't scoop backwards. They can't scooch forwards. They're literally just stuck there. Butts up in the air, fully exposed. Skin touching air. So they're wearing special pants with their butt cut out? Yeah, a hole.
1:00:33And the whole point of this wooden contraption is to make sure that you're held in place and you cannot move. It's one person at a time. So let's say prisoner one is tied up to this wooden frame. They get positioned, bent over, but exposed. Prisoner two is in the same room with prisoner one. They get to watch up and close what's going to happen to prisoner one, knowing damn well it's going to happen to them next. Then on the other side of the window, staring into the room, are prisoners three, four, five, six, seven, and so on and so forth. And they're all watching. They're all waiting. They're all knowing they're going to be next.
1:01:08One prisoner said about the waiting room experience, it's like queuing up like idiots, lining up and waiting for your turn to be slaughtered. The commandos then take the five foot long sticks, which by the way, they made sure to soak it in water last night. That's very important because the sticks can splinter and they don't want that. They don't want it to crack. They hold the cane with both hands like a baseball bat or maybe more like a golf club and they start swinging it back and forth midair. You're just hearing noises. The commandos are trying to intimidate them because the prisoners know they're trying to show how fast they can swing because in a few seconds, each prisoner is going to get a determined number of strokes on their exposed butt.
1:01:52They're about to get caned. The canes are said to be able to go at about 99.42 miles per hour. So to give you perspective, Cheetahs are known as the fastest land animals and they run at a speed of 60 to 70 miles per hour. 99 miles per hour. The speed of a cane strike is even faster than a burst of speed that a cheetah uses to catch their prey. It's swift, it's explosive, and it's solely there to create pain. Some prisoners have stated that even with the first stroke, the skin and flesh will tear and blood will start oozing out of their butt. But they don't stop. Not until you've gotten the number of strokes that the court has sentenced you.
1:02:32But it's really bad. To give you an idea, no adult is allowed to be sentenced to more than 24 strokes. They have medical personnel there to make sure nobody gets gravely injured or faints. The commandos, the officers administering the strokes, they're incredibly muscular, they're incredibly fit, but even then they're only allowed to give six strokes per officer. They want to make sure each stroke has maximum impact. So if you're sentenced to 24 strokes, they don't want the officer to get tired 10 strokes in. So they want them to get the maximum amount of pain from that stroke. Yeah, maximum amount of pain.
1:03:10So every six strokes, you have to wait. While a new officer walks in, grabs the cane, cracks his knuckles, practices swinging the cane, gets into position, and then smacks you. And there's nothing you can do. You can't even squirm. You're being held down in place. there's prisoners all around you if you're screaming like a little baby they're going to talk about it afterwards the caning officers are trained to not strike at the same spot so prisoners said that you walk out of there with your butt looking like you sat down on one of those barbecue grills with the lines the impact is so harsh that it feels like you're getting burned if the pain is too much for a prisoner and they look like they're about to pass out the doctor might say stop and all strokes will stop but that doesn't mean it's over that doesn't mean like that That prisoner gets to go with half the strokes that they were sentenced.
1:03:59Even if you were sentenced to six strokes, but you only do five and you can't do it anymore because the doctor says you're going to pass out. That one extra stroke gets translated into extra prison time up to a year. You can't come back and finish the rest of your strokes. It has to be done at one time. and in a final act of humiliation and pain, prisoners said that they've been told to stand before a panel of three prison guards that have been keeping watch the whole time and after you've been whipped all over your bottom, you have to say, thank you and if you don't thank them for your punishment, you cannot leave.
1:04:36The Singapore government does deny this, but multiple independent prisoners have said it is a requirement. But thanking the panel, the actual strokes, the caning itself, those aren't really the worst part either. The worst, they said, is the recovery. Prisoners are given one round of medication for their wounds after they're done. There's no continuous care throughout the healing process and in the upcoming weeks, you've got all sorts of fluids coming out. Blood, white discharge, pus. You can't even put pants on because first of all, it's so painful to have anything touching it. Second of all, the pant fabric gets stuck to the open wound and the fabric starts fusing with your skin.
1:05:10It's nearly impossible to take the pants off later without ripping off more of your skin and flesh with it. so a prison tip in Singapore I guess is to run your trousers under water first so the water helps separate the fabric from your wound before you take off your pants a prisoner said if you don't do that it's just damn pain everything is painful though after the caning taking a shower is painful don't even think about sitting down you have to sleep on your chest and never mind the fact that you feel extra vulnerable in a place like prison like it's a lot some offenders who experienced judicial caning said it was one of the most painful experiences that they have ever had.
1:05:46And because of that, caning as a legal punishment in Singapore has been hotly debated. Judicial caning is really, really complicated. Over 30 different offenses can warrant a caning punishment by the Singaporean government. Robbery, drug trafficking, and sex crimes are just a few. And before anyone feels the sudden aching urge to be xenophobic, the caning punishment was likely introduced during the time that the Britons were colonizing Singapore. So there's that. But it's kind of just stayed in Singaporean law for a plethora of reasons. There's a lot of historical cultural context that I don't want to bore you with.
1:06:20And even amongst Singaporeans, there's so much debate on whether this is good or bad. The gaining debate has even started international debates. Yeah, so the US had a problem with Singapore's punishment when a 19 year old American was sentenced to four strokes for vandalism. The U.S. argued it was cruel and unusual punishment, which is against our constitution. Singapore argued that if you're in Singapore, you abide by Singaporean law, just like how a Singaporean national would do the same if they visited the United States. The U.S. argued it was a deplorable, inhumane punishment for a nonviolent crime.
1:06:57Singapore said, well, we do what we want here. But there were also politicians in Singapore who argued the vandalism in New York City is so bad even cop cars aren't even safe from them. So this is what we do to curb vandalism. Singapore does have one of the lowest crime rates and is one of the cleanest countries in the whole world. I went on Reddit. It's like 50-50. Even amongst Americans, it's like 50-50 how they feel about this. The 19-year-old American Michael said he had just four strokes, but it was really bad. When he first saw his scars, he cried thinking that he would have them for the rest of his life.
1:07:30He said when he was first caned, his skin ripped open and there was so much blood, it felt like nosebleeds. It doesn't feel like just a, oops, blood broke. And this is after the US helped get his caning sentence down to four. Four is known to be on the low end of the punishment, but he said it was miserable. His scars were agonizingly painful. And then once the pain was over, you think you're in the clear, you're not. It's like unbearably itchy. You wanna lose your mind. It's so itchy and pus is leaking out if you itch too hard. Caning was again in international news when a British national was caught with drugs in Singapore.
1:08:03He was sentenced to the maximum of 24 strokes. He said to this day he has bowel problems because of how bad the caning was. And now he wants to raise awareness to put a stop to caning. He said it causes permanent physical and psychological damage to the offenders. Human rights activists have agreed and said it's considered a form of torture. And the argument here is it's enforcing violence. Like you are trying to enforce law and order through violence. And really, who gets to decide something like that? Human rights activists have argued that the government just arbitrarily decides punishments.
1:08:34For example, robbery during the daytime, the mandatory minimum is six strokes. But if it's nighttime, it's 12. But on the flip side, one attorney who had been caned for a crime before said, well, the rules are known before you commit a crime. So it's not really like a surprise. So I accept the punishment. The sentiment was, should we really fight for the, quote, humanity of criminals when they can't do that for victims? Like, is this really the hill that human rights activists are going to die on? That's the argument from the opposing side. A lot of people also question the cruelty of the punishment.
1:09:05You know, a lot of human rights activists said, it seems like a big part of the punishment is the mental trauma. I don't know if I want to call it trauma, but the mental torture aspect. They don't know when it's coming. The strikes are done in such a very meticulous, methodical way. The way that they whip it back and forth, they have to thank the panel. but for the same point it could be argued there is mental trauma for every victim of every crime and i think for this one most singaporeans were not sad to hear that the husbands in this case were facing caning punishment on top of their prison sentences because do we know how many oh yeah we're about to know because even during the trial james still managed to blame his wife for everything i mean in a very interesting choice james stated he would be representing himself in the trial and he really played the victim part i mean he looked sorrowful he was dragging his feet wincing at the remorse that he felt inside of his soul james admitted to the wives of two of the other men but but he only did it because he wanted to be good friends to these guys he did it as a friend he didn't want to do it like you know when your friend asks you to take them to the airport you don't want to take them to the airport but you do it because you're a good friend.
1:10:15That's why he said he to these women. It's not because he was genuinely interested in their wives. It's not because he was an assaulter. He did it to quote reciprocate their friendship and their help. So in short, he still doesn't understand what he did. No remorse. No. Still, you know. Yeah. And then when the judge is like, I'm not going to listen to that. He looks for something else. He said, actually, I find it really hurtful to be stereotyped by media as someone who thinks and behaves like these wife-swapping husbands. He said that he was pushed into doing what he did. He said that he doesn't have an interest or kink in something like this, not like the other perpetrators.
1:10:56No. He said, you know, my wife cheated on me twice, and I did things that I'm not proud of, but we mutually hurt each other, and her betrayal cheating on him was the reason that he did what he did. It contributed to his actions. he said the shocking discovery of my wife's affairs triggered these offenses when describing his wife's alleged second affair he wrote to further rub salt into the injury my wife had another affair with her colleague he claimed that his wife taunted mocked and humiliated him and that all these events pushed him over the edge and made him want to lash out in retaliation but like remember that's not a good excuse first of all second of all for eight years yeah yeah i mean yeah however he argued he should have a light punishment because he was quote sincerely regretful of his wrongdoings and he wanted to submit himself to receive punishment as soon as possible he brought in letters for the judge from all four of his daughters character witness letters which thankfully were not read in court another letter from his mom who argued that he was a great son and great family man and you can see probably how he ended it up this way as well.
1:12:05A letter from his wife to show that his family wanted him home. That's what he said that letter said. I don't think that's what that letter said at all. So when he realized that the judge was feeling less than sympathetic, James starts changing his tune. He starts accusing the media. He starts accusing the journalists and the reporters for over sensationalizing the story. He said the reporters were quote, irresponsible and unethical for trying to make his case about explicit videos and fantasies of wife swapping he said that's totally not what i am in reality he has so many people to blame yeah which is very true that's not what he is in reality he is not a wife swapper he is an r-word-er but essentially he blamed everyone for his actions from his wife to his co-perpetrators to even netizens and the press he even argued with the judge that netizens and media have made it so hard for his wife he said right now oh get this what is good wow he said this with his full chest he said right now my main concern is the safety of my wife as well as my children so i would like to seek your honors consideration in putting me to go for legal assessment and diagnosis of what's really going on in my mind he's basically saying look i'm gonna get some therapy can you just like let me out so i can protect my wife netizens were shocked because he is the danger to his wife what are you saying right now one comment read don't you just love it when these disgusting criminals whine about how people treat or view them they whine about injustice they receive and yet they're the ones who got themselves there in the first place because of the disgusting things they do to other people another comment reads his legal arguments are so dumb at this point he's a danger to himself when all of these things didn't work out he starts pulling out psychiatric findings he said he was diagnosed to be addicted to sex to be more precise he and his therapist agreed that he would he had compulsive sexual behavior which i think is a wild argument to make like addiction is real how is that relevant it's not an excuse nor a mitigating factor for a crime so just to clarify this is a very real diagnosis that can have big impact on people's lives.
1:14:16It's described as an intense focus on fantasies or urges or behaviors in a pattern of failure to control such impulses, which ultimately result in repetitive negative sexual behavior. Okay, that doesn't impact anything that he did. And it just doesn't make sense. I mean, first of all, the prosecutors don't even believe that he has that diagnosis. And second of all, they argued, even if he has it, all that is is a racist who claims they're addicted to sex and all that means is he has a high drive which honestly could be argued it makes him more dangerous to be a free man the judge seemed to agree now side note james would then go on to make more arguments he's like judge before you decide i have low self-esteem i have self-doubt in my masculinity and those were contributing factors to why I did what I did.
1:15:08Nobody cared because those things do not impair judgment or decision-making capabilities. And considering all the aggravating factors for these specific crimes, like nobody had sympathy. There was significant planning and premeditation, the victim's vulnerability, exposure to risk of sexual disease and unwanted pregnancies, violation of the sanctity of the victim's home, recording and dissemination of the incident, betrayal of trust and abuse of trust. The judge said, James does not appear to have fully understood the gravity of his offenses. Although he's indicated that he wishes to own up and take responsibility and accept the punishment that's due, I could not ignore the fact that all the written pleas were all just self-serving attempts to deflect responsibility and shift blame to others, particularly his co-accused.
1:15:51Most regrettably, the accused has resorted to a form of victim blaming, suggesting that there is a reason for his offending. The judge pointed out that James himself had affairs. So what are you on this high-sensitive horse about? You too cheated on your wife before any of this happened. You cheated first while she was pregnant. The judge also noticed that James was trying to downplay the seriousness of his offenses by claiming that he was unfairly labeled as a sexual predator. The judge was over it. Jennifer, his wife, said in an impact statement that she felt so hurt, angry, disappointed, and overwhelmed with the sense of betrayal.
1:16:25She expressed that she had dark thoughts and thought at one point she would be better off dead than have to deal with this. She said, I kept thinking about how cruel he was to do this to me. She said at first she thought it was just one person that had assaulted her. But more and more started to come out. And likely her brain went into self-protection mode and started to block everything out. Because she said that slowly, I chose not to feel anything about it. I wanted to focus my energy to take care of my children and family. So I just became numb. Kevin's wife said something similar. She said she felt like dying, but tries to manage her emotions by not thinking about it and just blocking it out.
1:17:03Which, side note, many of the wives chose to stay married to their husbands. And yeah, before we judge, I do think that there's a lot of reasons why. Even if we can agree it's maybe not the best choice, I don't think judgment is the solution. One Redditor has stated very eloquently, and this is speculation, we'll never really know why they chose to stay, nor do we have the right to know. But the Redditor stated, there's so many nuances behind abuse that us internet bystanders don't see. The abuse begins from the very beginning of the relationship, creating a dependence on the abuser socially, financially, emotionally and psychologically.
1:17:40That dependence, it takes a very long time to go away. It's not as simple as walking away. What the victims need is supportive network of friends and family that are willing to forgive them and for whatever hurt they've caused because of their toxic relationships. And that's the first step of healing and recovering a damaged psyche. Another Redditor commented, this is beyond getting angry and walking away. The couple's lives are so intertwined and we're looking at couples who've been married for decades. Maybe some of them financially depend on their husbands. They've got multiple children's and on top of that, they're going through all these complex feelings, which is so difficult to process.
1:18:18Maybe they feel the need to keep it a secret. Maybe they feel the need to process the emotions first before they do something life-changing. Yeah. like i just listen to the way james handles himself in court yeah like let's say he didn't even do anything illegal just imagine that's your husband for 10 years yeah level of psychological abuse he's probably been through where he nothing is his fault it's always your fault if i hurt your feelings it's because you hurt mine first like it's crazy how he talks about his wife in court yeah so the men though of course they use their wife staying as the best legal strategy ever Of course they did.
1:18:57Larry is one of the guys, right? Larry's attorney even argued that Larry and his wife have a good relationship now, so the judge should take that into consideration. Side note about Larry. Larry's wife actually caught him doing all of this. She woke up while she was being assaulted. Let me take it back. September 1st, 2017, Larry was sharing a glass of wine with his wife, Lucy. And he's all up in this little circle of crimes. And of course, he spikes Lucy's drink and he's so excited. This is the first time that he's bringing his wife into the equation. He had already assaulted Jennifer and he had been consuming all the videos and photos shared in the group chat between the husbands, but he had never gotten his own wife involved.
1:19:37He made sure that she was knocked out and following the others, he blindfolded his wife, dragged her unconscious body to the bed. He texted his colleague, so not a random man he met on the internet, his work colleague, Parker, and told him, it's time. Come over. Lucy is quote ready for you Parker would claim that he had no clue That Lucy was going to be drugged up when he showed up He said that Larry started confiding In him at work that Lucy wanted to have A threesome that's his argument I don't know if I believe it take it with a grain of salt Okay Parker shows up Unconscious wife Laying on the bed Like what are you talking about You're committing a crime What does he do he takes off his clothes and starts Performing unsolicited sexual acts on Lucy But he's like, oh, no, I thought she consented.
1:20:22It's dumb, right? Yeah. And he did not use protection. None of these guys did. Thankfully, Parker could not fully assault Lucy because he had erectile dysfunction. So he could not maintain the right faculties to do so. But he did continue to molest her. And that's when she started moving around. She started grumbling, felt a man on her. So she gets up, takes off her blindfold. Parker's running with his. He's like grabbing his clothes from the ground, running out the door at this point. And Lucy seeing this, like there is a strange man running out the door. Her husband doesn't seem startled. She's putting two and two together.
1:20:53She's piecing it together. She confronts her husband, Larry, who's just like, yeah, it happened. He confesses to everything. Lucy forces Larry to write a confession letter, demands Larry to get his co-worker Parker to write a confession letter. And she just wants to know what happened that night. She wanted to know the truth. It is unknown if Larry's wife, Lucy, went to the police with the confessions. but Larry argued later in court that they should go easy on him because he and his wife were good now. Larry would get 13 years and six months in prison for his crimes and zero, zero cane strikes because Larry is 50 and there is an interesting law that you have to be a man under 50 to be struck with a cane by the court.
1:21:40Parker, the colleague who came to assault Larry's wife Lucy but couldn't successfully maintain his faculties. He pled guilty and was only given three years in prison. A lot of netizens felt like this wasn't enough. His whole thing was that he actually didn't end up following through with the assault with Lucy. Like that was his argument. Well, I didn't actually assault her, but netizens argue, yeah, it wasn't a choice though. It's not because you were a good person. It wasn't a choice. You literally couldn't. And then we have the others. Kevin, the man who drugged his wife, Kathy, and facilitated her assaults.
1:22:11He was given 22 years and 20 cane strokes. Matt, the man who helped drug his ex-wife, Marion, facilitated her assault. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison and 20 cane strokes. And Nick, Nick is the food delivery driver that assaulted Jennifer. His attorney took another interesting approach. These attorneys are all unhinged, I'm telling you, okay? They argued that Nick was the only one without a wife. So he should get a lesser sentence because his does not have the aggravated additional aspect of abuse of trust. Since, you know, these weren't his wives and he didn't get his own wife involved, but the prosecutors looked at him and they said, yeah, no, that doesn't make sense.
1:22:50Nick is not married. It's not possible for him to even offer up a wife to be assaulted, offer up. So it shouldn't be a mitigating factor that makes him seem more empathetic. Surely, if he had a wife, he likely would have. Again, same with Parker. You didn't have a choice. Nick was sentenced to 18 years in prison and 20 cane strokes. James and Owen were tried separately. James was sentenced to 29 years in prison and the maximum cane punishment of 24 cane strokes. James looked defeated when he was sentenced and he said he he didn't say this but he dug deep and somehow found courage to appeal his sentence.
1:23:29He says that he wants to appeal for two reasons. one he claims that his wife wants him home and two he feels like he wasn't represented well by his initial attorneys this guy is so so unhinged yeah like i can't it's how unlikable of a person even at this yeah moment and like you can just tell the judges are over him so the judge is like your family's not even showing up to support you and all i got from your wife was a letter of her victim impact statement where she basically had thoughts of death and was the only redeeming factor was she said she felt numb now. Okay, that's it. And she's focusing on her kids.
1:24:08But you keep saying your wife wants you home. Your wife loves you. Your wife supports you. Your wife wouldn't want this for you. Again, still using his wife to try and get something that he wants. As of 2023, we are still awaiting his appeal. With Owen, he went on trial August of this year and Owen argued that he never wanted to assault Jennifer. James invited him and forced him to do things to Jennifer. He never wanted this to happen. Owen stated he felt scared and he only did it to get out of the situation. It was arguably not a bright legal move because there were literal messages between Owen and James where they were talking about drugging Jennifer and doing this.
1:24:41Owen even cutely named the whole plan Operation Jennifer. He even nervously messaged James, like, what if we're caught? So clearly he knew. He was convicted and he will be sentenced January of 2024. He is facing 20 years in prison with a fine or caning punishment. The judge presiding over this case said it was, one of the most astonishing and atrocious cases of sexual assault to ever come before this court. Many victims are able to lean on family members, including their husbands, to deal with the after effects of trauma after an assault like this. But these women cannot do that because it was their husbands that did this.
1:25:20It is such a gross betrayal of trust. The prosecutors on this case stated, When a woman enters into a marriage, she entrusts herself to her husband. She trusts that the man who sleeps beside her will not harm her as she sleeps. She trusts that in sickness, her husband, the father of her children, will not poison her with drugs passed off as medicine. She trusts that her husband will keep private their most intimate sexual moments together. Instead, the men breach their wives' trust on every front. Netizens commented, the law must severely punish them to prevent ruining society. Others said, why can't we publicize their names?
1:25:55As for Sammy Boy, it is still an up and running site. A lot of Singaporean netizens want the site to be fully taken down and they're confused how it's still up and running in a country where even chewing gum is banned. Did you know chewing gum is... What? Yeah. Chewing gum is banned in Singapore. It's illegal. Really? The laws are more lax now. I think there are some provisions where you can bring in enough chewing gum for personal use. if you import chewing gum to the extent where it looks like you're going to distribute it or sell it you can face a fine or go to prison they really don't like they're crazy about cleanliness and order in singapore and there was a problem with chewing gum being just like stuck onto floors i mean so chewing gum is banned and they're like how is this website not banned but apparently it's very complicated samiboy servers are not based in singapore which if they were singaporean authorities could just seize them and arrest all of those operating the website.
1:26:46But since it's not, the only other option they have is to try and block the site from being viewed in Singapore. But one, people could just get a VPN. And two, they said it's like whack-a-mole. So Sammy Boy constantly changes the URL to the explicit forum to keep the website restricted would take so much coordinated oversight and taxpayer dollar, it would be insane. So Sammy Boy still thrives with who knows how much illegal content being uploaded and distributed on there. And again, this is not me saying Sammy Boy is all bad and everyone on there is bad and doing illegal shady gross things. That's not what I said at all.
1:27:19But we have to admit there definitely is a dark underbelly to this forum. But I will say before you lose hope and humanity, most people everywhere usually are still sane and logical. And I hope that these husbands are just a small portion. But someone did make a very grim comment about this. They wrote, these are the only ones who got caught. Imagine how many hundreds are out there doing the same wife sharing without their wives knowing. So what are your thoughts on this case? Please be safe and I will see you guys on Sunday for the mini-sode. Bye.
From the publisher
They each had a fantasy of watching their wives be intimate with other men. The only problem was that their wives were not open to the idea.
The 7 husbands gathered on an online forum to talk about how they weren’t going to let their own wives get in the way of fulfilling their dreams. They felt they were entitled to this.
For the next 8 years, the men would plot, drug, and facilitate the assaults of their own wives all the while filming it for their online chatrooms. They had dreams of impregnating each other’s spouses and they laughed at how their wives had no clue that they were being betrayed and assaulted in the worst ways possible.
This is the shocking case of how a group of husbands created a trafficking network - where the victims were their own wives.
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