EXACTLY What Happened Between “Prince” Andrew & 17 Yr Old Virginia Giuffre According To Her Memoir

0:02The DOJ has just but a few weeks before they are mandated by law by the new bill that has passed to release the Epstein files. We're looking at probably around December 17th, December 19th for the DOJ to release the Epstein list. This is the long awaited list that everybody has been asking for. Who exactly were on Epstein's flight logs? Which politicians are connected to Epstein definitively? Who is associated with this high powered sex trafficking ring? It's unclear if we're going to get answers in a few weeks because the DOJ, I mean, everyone has been skirting this. Everyone has been making up excuses, but it seems like this is the closest that we are going to get.

0:46And I just want to tell you guys who might be on there before those documents drop, because I mean, people have a feeling it's going to be tens of thousands, if not maybe even a hundred thousand pages of documents just dumped to the public of the world's most powerful leaders, businessman, politicians. In part one, if you haven't listened, It's the audio episode right before this that we just released like 24 hours ago. We went through Virginia Dufresne's book. Virginia Dufresne, who has passed earlier this year, she has posthumously released a memoir where she details her two plus years that she spent being trafficked by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

1:27She has a long list of people that she states that she was trafficked to. She also has a list of unnamed people that she says she was too scared to name in her memoir. And netizens have cross-referenced her depositions. They have cross-referenced other court documents to try to give a name to these powerful people, including prime ministers, including billionaires, hedge fund managers, the chairman of a massive hotel chain. And this is going to be part two where we run through all of the names that have been mentioned in Virginia Dufresne's book that was published after her passing, which even that a lot of people think her passing was suspicious.

2:08And we're going to dive deep even into Prince Andrew and all of the connections there, as well as all of the politicians that are being brought up in her book. So with that being said, if you haven't listened to part one of the audio, go listen to that. And this will be part two.

2:45Then there's the issue with Alan Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz is a Harvard professor, a criminal defense attorney for Epstein for a period of time. You may not know Alan Dershowitz. You may know Alan Dershowitz, and chances are, if it's the latter, You know him as Alan, I kept my underwear on, Dershowitz. Or maybe not. Okay, that's very niche. Maybe you know him as part of OJ Simpson's dream team. And he also represented Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein. And he was on Trump's defense team in his first impeachment trial in 2020. Notably, Alan Dershowitz was Epstein's attorney while they negotiated his non-prosecution agreement in Florida in 2007.

3:24Dershowitz has stated that this is the one case that he regrets taking. The Epstein case. He has been named in Virginia's deposition where she states in 2016. And I know Stephen Kaufman was one of the first I was sent to. So Stephen Kaufman is another name. But there's not as much on Stephen Kaufman as of right now. Continuing, she says, Alan Dershowitz could have been between Glenn Dubin and Stephen. The first time I was with Alan Dershowitz was in New York. So I wasn't actually sent to him. It actually happened at one of Jeffrey's residences. What did he do to deserve such a precise nickname though?

3:57Alan, I kept my underwear on Dershowitz? Well, apparently, after being initially accused by Virginia as being someone she was trafficked to, he states that he did get a massage at Epstein's. But, but, it was given by a 50-year-old Russian woman named Olga and quote, I kept my underwear on. Thus, Alan, I kept my underwear on Dershowitz. He's just also an overall asshole, which is not a crime. It's just an opinion. He would get hate comments where people would write to him, you are the demon of evil. You are the best argument for abortion one could present. He would apparently happily tape them to his door.

4:35To call him a f***ing annoying contrarian would probably be one of the nicest things ever uttered about Alan Dershowitz. He's quoted in an op-ed saying, there must be criminal sanctions against sex with very young children. But it is doubtful whether such sanctions should apply to teenagers above the age of puberty, since voluntary sex is so common in their age group. He believed that no matter how old the partner is, 15 should be the reasonable age of consent. He also hates when men are prosecuted for hiring sex workers. He wrote once, these men who occasionally seek to taste the forbidden fruit of sex for hire should not be arrested.

5:11According to someone in one of Dershowitz's lectures, they claim Dershowitz had this idea of sex workers. They know what they're doing. They need to be prosecuted, but you can't ruin a John's life over wanting to take a bite of forbidden fruit here and there. Another Dershowitz original quote is radical feminists can accuse all men of being rapists and radical African-Americans can accuse all whites of being racist without fear of discipline or rebuke. However, in 2019, Virginia sues Dershowitz for defamation in the same way that she sued Ghislaine Maxwell. He countersues and they both settle.

5:44Later in Virginia's book, she states that in 2022, the two of them, Virginia and Alan Dershowitz, settle out of court with no payments made by either party to the other, and the agreement seemingly being that both of them would release a joint pre-approved by both sides statement. Virginia's statement reads, I've long believed that I was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein to Alan Dershowitz. However, I was very young at the time. It was a very stressful and traumatic environment, and Mr. Dershowitz has, from the beginning, consistently denied these allegations. I now recognize I may have made a mistake in identifying Mr.

6:15Dershowitz. Alan Dershowitz's statement reads in short, she had come to believe that at the time she accused me, she believed what she said. She has suffered much at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein, and I commend her work combating the evil of sex trafficking. But a year before Epstein was arrested and then killed or dead, right, it seemed that Dershowitz was not friendly with Epstein anymore. In the recent email dump, another person is mocking Dershowitz for being like the kim kardashian of the legal scene famous for being famous epstein responds nicely put exclamation point take that as you will alan dershowitz says that epstein wasn't a pedophile also and not to put words in his mouth but basically he's saying that that term is for actually people who like prepubescent children and i think that is always going on yeah this This guy is like literally outing himself.

7:08Yeah, and Megyn Kelly said the same thing. Yeah. What? She was like, Epstein is sick and nasty, but he's not a pedophile because legally, I don't know why people are obsessed with the definition. Yeah. A minor is a minor. I'm so confused. Let's talk about vice presidents. Al Gore served as the vice president under Bill Clinton. Virginia states in her book that Epstein had hosted Al and his wife, then wife, they are now divorced, I believe. Tipper Gore over for dinner and that she was there. But if you go to her deposition from 2016, she's asked, tell me about the circumstances of meeting Al Gore.

7:44And she says, it's a little bit hazy at where that took place. I mean, we're going back a long time ago, but I do remember one thing about him. I believed he was a wonderful guy who loved his wife and they spent the entire time, like there was nothing else around them. It was just those two. It was a dinner table, long dinner table with people around. They were just lovely. Just watching them as a couple, I remember thinking, you know, he's somebody that I would definitely vote for. He's just somebody that loves his wife that much. A lot of netizens comment, I sort of suspect Al Gore and his then wife Tipper Gore are the kinds of people who would get invited to the private island by a social climber like Epstein, but not the kind of people who moved in the same social circles as Epstein.

8:22Like they don't strike me as the kind of people who would be friends with Epstein's friends. With another netizen writing, Epstein was probably selective with who he showed what sides of the island, if that makes sense. Because you do have to remember that Epstein was a social climber, but it is likely that a lot of high profile, powerful men liked what Epstein was doing in his private life. But he could probably scope out which ones did and which ones didn't. And so a lot of people are saying, yeah, OK, maybe Al Gore was at the island, but we don't think that he was doing crazy stuff. And Virginia says that he was nothing but nice and loved his wife.

8:58However, in 2010, he is accused, Al Gore is accused of making unwanted advances to a masseuse at a Portland hotel in 2006, which he was cleared of by the DA. The DA said no. Al Gore has also passionately denied any of these allegations. But netizens believe, if true, sounds straight out of Epstein's playbook. I don't know. Take it as you will. Okay, everybody's got a different opinion. Virginia also states in her deposition, They, Epstein and Ghislaine, instructed me to go to George Mitchell. George Mitchell may or may not sound familiar. He is a former U.S. senator for the state of Maine. He was a former Senate majority leader.

9:35He was a special envoy for then-president Bill Clinton and then later a special envoy for the Middle East peace for then-president Barack Obama. He's also 92 freaking years old right now, so I don't blame you if you don't know this man, but he also wrote a heartfelt, meaningful message for Epstein in what is now dubbed the birthday book. What?

10:25It reads in short, in the field of science where you've already done so much. With my congratulations and gratitude and best wishes, George Mitchell. George Mitchell states that he never victimized Virginia, stating the allegation contained in the release documents is false. I've never met, spoken with, or had contact with the alleged victim. A spokesperson later states during the time he knew Epstein, he had no knowledge of Epstein's actions involving underage girls, stating that once he did, he quote, he never had any contact with Mr. Epstein again. Virginia states in the deposition that quote, they instructed me to go to George Mitchell, Jean-Luc Brunel, which again, we've talked about him in previous episodes.

11:06He's a huge figure in the Epstein case. He's dead now, thank God, but please refer to those episodes. We're going to cover him briefly in the next part as well. But she states that she was sent to George Mitchell, Jean-Luc Brunel, and Bill Richardson. Bill Richardson being the former governor of New Mexico and the former U.S. ambassador for the UN and energy secretary during the Clinton administration. One of Epstein's biggest properties, Zorro Ranch, was in New Mexico. Later on, on page 200 of the deposition, Ghislaine's attorney asks Virginia, Ghislaine Maxwell told you to go give a massage to Bill Richardson, correct?

11:41Correct. When did Ghislaine Maxwell tell you to go give a massage to Bill Richardson? I don't know dates. when Ghislaine Maxwell used the words, go give a massage to Bill Richardson, where were you? Virginia's like, I can't tell you where we were. I know that I was sent to. I don't know where we were when she told me to do that. Because again, it's like, I mean, she was going everywhere with them. Where exactly where she was, she doesn't know. Where were you sent to? New Mexico. Bill Richardson's spokesperson has stated, these allegations and inferences are completely false. To be clear, in Governor Richardson's limited interactions with Mr.

12:14Epstein, he never saw him in the presence of young or underage girls. Governor Richardson has never met Mr. Frey, and that is not the only governor with ties to Epstein. It's actually far from the only governor. Thomas Pritzker is part of a very wealthy family. He's not a governor, but his cousin is. The current Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, who has been associated with Epstein. He vehemently denies the association. I do think that Governor J.B. Pritzker's association with Epstein is, I couldn't find a lot on it. So he's like, I've never had contact with Epstein. As for my cousin Thomas, I barely talked to that guy.

12:59Thomas Pritzker is not the governor, but he is the executive chairman of Hyatt Hotels. Wow. Some people believe, with no proof or evidence because we weren't in the room we don't know anything um some people believe that he is billionaire number two in virginia's book though there is no proof of that she says about billionaire number two again this is no proof that this is the chairman of hyatt hotels or thomas pritzker or anyone but she writes in her book epstein made it clear that he wanted me to give this 50 year old stranger with thinning brown hair a massage so when we arrived, I accompanied this man to his cottage.

13:40He does appear to have some thinning brown hair. But again, that is not proof. There's not even association, but just saying. She states that she tried her absolute best to put on her most professional sounding voice because she thought that he would get the message. Again, this is not about Thomas Pritzker. This is about billionaire number two. He did not, and at the end, he offered to pay her triple what Epstein was paying her if she came to work for him. She was terrified she politely declined and then told Epstein about it because remember, Epstein has a picture of her brother. Virginia states in her deposition, they instructed me to go to George Mitchell, John Luke Burnell, Bill Richardson, the governor, another prince, I don't know a name, a guy that owns a hotel, a really large hotel chain.

14:23I can't remember which hotel it was. So that's where people are speculating that it's Thomas Pritzker and that he might be unnamed in the book because perhaps she found out how powerful this man is, or maybe she doesn't know his name. Again, there's no proof that it's Thomas Pritzker. But in the recent email releases, Epstein does refer to him as, quote, like family. Does not suggest any wrongdoing. They also had cordial emails sent back and forth. Again, that does not suggest any wrongdoing, but his name is tied to Epstein. Whether it is in a sinister way or not, really depends. So netizens have been putting together all the clues online.

15:06And again, whether we're right or not is to be determined, hopefully, when the documents are released. But Virginia describes in her book that she was, quote, lent out to a psychology professor whose research was, Epstein was funding his research. The professor ends up on Epstein's island. She describes him as a quirky little man with a balding pate, like a pate pate, like a balding white hair, crazy mad scientist look. It seemed he wasn't used to being with women. Epstein instructs Virginia to keep him happy. Eventually, the professor, he, I mean, they spend like all day doing water sports and all these other activities.

15:43And then finally, he's like, hey, can I get one of those famous massages that Epstein has told me so much about? And she knows exactly what that means. She takes him to a cabana and gives him a quote rubdown that ends in intercourse. And she says, the psychologist was only the first of many academics from prestigious universities who I was forced to service sexually. The fallout in academia has been massive. Again, if you refer to our previous episodes, Epstein really liked to believe himself an intellectual and he would use his corruptly gained funds to then fund these research projects and centers at prestigious universities.

16:29People said that Epstein was a collector of crimes, minors, but also of scientists. It gave him a kick to associate and be around these very objectively intelligent people, and he was heavily associated with Harvard University, MIT, and Brown University, which led in a massive fallout of even the presidents of these universities having to resign. Or some of them, okay, Larry Summers recently went viral because he was the former Harvard president. He's an economics professor. He goes, the emails get dumped. He's got emails. I'm going to go into this later, but he has a wife at the time. He's got emails with Epstein where he's like, I'm trying to zhuzh up this girl that I'm trying to date and I need advice.

17:19And Epstein is giving him, you know, and yeah. So then he goes into his classroom the next day filled with Harvard students. And he's like, hey, so I'm here to teach. I'm not here to talk about the emails. Oh, after this has been exposed. Yeah. And then he, I believe he resigned. So. Wow. So Larry Summers is one, but this is not Larry Summers because this is a psychology professor. Netizens found Virginia's first original manuscript for her memoir. So that was a whole thing. She had another manuscript for a memoir, but she was misguided by a journalist who told her, if you fictionalize a lot of things, then you can't be sued because you could argue it's a work of fiction.

18:02So then she kind of fictionalized a few things in the manuscript. It was never published, but a lot of attorneys that are against victims, they've been using it as like, well, you lied in that. How do we know you didn't lie in everything else? God forbid anyone write a novel once in a while. Like, it doesn't make any sense. But in that manuscript, she does name him as Stephen. And so with that, netizens put together that it may or may not, may or may not be Steven Pinker. She says, Steven was a quirky little man with white hair and a mad scientist. Look about him. He is also, Steven Pinker is also a Harvard professor like Larry Summers.

18:45And he is someone who had previously rallied against cancel culture. And then he started blocking anyone who mentions Epstein in his mentions. So, okay. Wow. He says that he has no association with Epstein other than, quote, other than third parties who have invited us to some of the same events. He also states, that is not me. I've never set foot on Epstein's island, nor any of his other residences. This is not to say that Jufre's accusations are true, just that they are not about me. We don't know if Steven Pinker is associated with Epstein in any sort of sinister way. And there is no proof that he is the psychology professor described in Virginia's book.

19:30But that's just the discourse.

19:43Then we have Marvin Minsky. He is a prominent MIT cognitive and computer scientist. He helped co-found the AI division, like the AI Research Center at MIT. he's also dead he died in 2016 yeah virginia states in her 2016 deposition they instructed me to go to george mitchell john luke brunell bill richardson another prince i don't know his name a guy that owns a hotel a really large hotel chain i can't remember which hotel it was and marvin minsky there was just a whole bunch of them that i just it's just hard for me to remember all of them you know i was told to do something by these people constantly told to my whole life revolved around just pleasing these men and keeping Ghislaine and Jeffrey happy, and their whole entire lives revolved around sex.

20:28They call massages sex. They call modeling sex. Virginia is asked, where did you go to have sex with Marvin Minsky? I believe it was the U.S. Virgin Island, Jeffrey Epstein's island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, Epstein Island, which Virginia's attorneys later check records. And in 2002, while Virginia is being trafficked by Epstein, sure enough, Epstein and Minsky hosted a gathering with prominent figures in AI on the island. That's not to say definitively that that is evidence that she was trafficked to Minsky, but there is a connection there. Virginia states transparently, this could have been when I was trafficked to him for the first time.

21:11I'm not sure of the date. What I do know is that Minsky was in his 70s then precisely 56 years older than me we shared a birthday and i remember what happened wow she alleges in her book that she was sent into one of the cabanas and she will never forget minsky's bald head and just trying to focus on the waves outside the sound of the waves as she was forced to later in the book she details how when she first went public with accusations against Marvin Minsky, a colleague of Minsky's at MIT, Richard Stallman, sent out an email blast suggesting that Virginia was a willing participant in the cabana.

21:53According to Virginia, he wrote, we can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. But according to NPR, this is also the type of guy that writes, I'm skeptical of the claim that voluntary pedophilia harms children. The argument that it causes harm seems to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified that their little baby is maturing. He later takes it back and says that he spoke with victims and he changed his mind about it, which I didn't know that you had to personally talk to victims to see why this take should put someone in prison, but okay.

22:33He had to resign after that. Yeah. But it was not just MIT under fire. Like I said, it was Brown University. It was Harvard University. And it's also the billionaire's dinner host. John Brockman. John Brockman owned one of the most powerful literary agencies in the world of academia. He is the one that's publishing all of these books from these scientists and these think tanks and he would host this billionaire's dinner annually at the annual TED conference, TED talk conference in Monterey. Yeah. Yeah. Virginia describes in her memoir that at one point she flew from Epstein's property in Zorro Ranch to Northern California near San Francisco, where Epstein had all these meetings and they were in town for the billionaire's dinner hosted by John Brockman, which also the TED conference is there.

23:29And Virginia describes Brockman as being a fixer for Epstein. So he would connect Epstein to scientists who were doing research that Epstein was interested in funding. And again, a lot of people are like, okay, this is where a lot of conspiracies come in. Some people are saying, hey, he was a narcissist. He was this kid from Brooklyn who was obsessed with the ultra elite. He wanted to be the smartest guy in the room. So he surrounds himself with all of these scientists so that he could present himself as one of them. And then there are others that are like, or he's an Israeli spy that's also funding all of these major things.

24:04There's like a lot of conspiracies. It really depends on the rabbit hole that you want to go down. And I think also conspiracies are one of those things where it really depends on the day that you're reading them. Some days you feel a little more conspiratorial. Some days you don't. So I guess that's up for everyone to decide which rabbit hole they want to go down. But Virginia states in her book, in due time, Epstein would force me to have sex with at least two other people in Brockman's circle. This does not implicate John Brockman directly. He might truly have no idea what Epstein was doing, but he's also connected to Marvin Minsky, Steven Pinker.

24:39I mean, they are all academics, so that could be why, but there could be something else. I will say it's very interesting that he's been pretty quiet. He has not really said much, but again, this is not to say that he is definitively connected to any wrongdoing at all. I'm just saying it's a name that comes up. But one of the most terrifying people listed in Virginia's book is a former prime minister of a nation. In Virginia's deposition, she was asked, if you're confused by a question, you need to let me know so I can clarify the question, okay? Okay. For example, if I asked you the question, were you sexually trafficked to a foreign president?

25:22Do you understand what that question means? Yes. What does it mean? Was I lent out for the purposes of sex to a foreign person, president? All right. What is the answer to that question? Yes. Virginia describes this man in legal documents as, quote, a well-known prime minister. She says this was the most violent man that she has ever witnessed. quote he wanted violence she describes has how he would choke her until she loses consciousness only to bring her back and do it all over again it's like he took pleasure in her fear for her life in her begging for her life she says horrifically the prime minister laughed when he hurt me and got more aroused when i begged him to stop i emerged from the cabana bleeding from my mouth and down there.

26:10She says for days it hurt to breathe and to swallow. She said it was the most terrifying experience of her life that she got on her knees afterwards and begged Epstein to promise her to never send her back to the prime minister ever again. She doesn't know if Epstein owed this man or was in fear for this man or what, but instead of promising to never traumatize her like that ever again, he just coldly says, yeah, you'll get that sometimes. Referring to the violence of the prime minister. Virginia writes, Epstein cared only about Epstein. She says the prime minister's assault was so bad that, quote, at that point, I hit bottom.