In short
The episode recaps “looksmaxxing” influencer Clavicular’s extreme, controversial lifestyle claims and misogynistic/abusive behavior, then pivots to a separate case: TikTok looksmaxxer Mason Hull’s arrest for alleged CSAM possession, sparked by his ex-girlfriend’s evidence.
Guest backgrounds
The hosts discuss Clavicular and other internet figures; they also describe Jideon (a predator-hunting YouTuber) and Alex from Predator Poachers, plus Liv (Mason Hull’s ex-girlfriend) as central to the CSAM confrontation.
Key claims
Clavicular allegedly used testosterone, minoxidil/dutasteride, daily Accutane, crystal meth for appetite suppression, anabolic steroids, pregabalin/baclofen, and illegal testosterone via a PO box; he promotes surgery/loans and makes dehumanizing sexual comments. Mason Hull allegedly bought/possessed CSAM via Telegram; police reports cited victims as young as 6–10, including restraint/assault allegations.
Notable examples
Clavicular’s “bone smashing” face-hammering clips; live-stream humiliation of a woman; claims about running over a streamer; alleged Aqualix injection of a minor (ex-girlfriend lawsuit). For Mason Hull: Liv’s immediate police report after finding CSAM; Jideon/Alex confronting him at his apartment; his later arrest (May 6, 2026) and bond revoked for continuing online.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnderstanding Lux Maxing
1:02 to 1:17
Explore the foundational ideology of Lux Maxing and related concepts.
“We went down the foundational ideology of what Lux Maxing is, as well as the different pills, red pill, blue pill, purple pill, black pill.”
Clavicular's Extreme Methods
1:17 to 1:49
Discussion regarding Clavicular's extreme practices and physical alterations.
“So we're going to finish the lore of Clavicular before we dive into everything that has transpired with Mason Hull and how he was arrested for copious charges of possessing CSAM.”
Drugs and Substances Used
1:49 to 2:17
An overview of the substances Clavicular claims to use for looks maxing.
“Like it just, his whole face looks like he's wearing rare beauty blush on the top of his cheekbones because he's been hammering it so hard.”
The Dangers of Misguided Aspirations
2:17 to 3:05
Examine the dangers associated with Clavicular's philosophy and drug use.
“I take dutasteride for my hair I take 7.5 milligrams of accutane a day.”
Clavicular's Rebellious Journey
3:05 to 4:05
Insights into Clavicular's journey into bodybuilding and steroid use.
“He also talks about how he takes pregab and baclofen pills, which it's supposed to mimic the feeling of being drunk.”
The Future of Masculinity and Surgery
4:05 to 4:49
Discussing Clavicular's views on masculinity and the normalization of surgery.
“So he would brag about how he's roid maxing on these forums.”
Public Image and Mockery
4:49 to 5:35
Explore how Clavicular deals with public mockery and its impact on his persona.
“So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble and you'll mog so you'll be able to sort of get out of it.”
Clavicular's Viral Moments
5:35 to 6:39
Analyzing Clavicular's viral moments and their cultural implications.
Collaboration with Whoa Vicky
6:39 to 7:25
Discussion on Clavicular's collaboration with Whoa Vicky and its reception.
Chemistry and Clout
7:25 to 9:10
Exploring the chemistry between Clavicular and Whoa Vicky during their interactions.
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Who is Clavicular?
9:10 to 10:55
Diving deeper into Clavicular's attitudes and controversial remarks.
“The neurodivergent and like the also neurodivergent, but like very different types of neurodivergent combining together.”
Inappropriate Behavior and Language
10:55 to 12:39
Highlighting Clavicular's problematic statements and actions on live streams.
Consequences of Clavicular's Actions
12:39 to 14:01
Examining the fallout and societal implications of Clavicular's behavior.
“I'm not telling you not to money max, but I'm telling you that until you maximize the looks along with it, you will never know what it's like.”
Clavicular's Live Stream Controversy
14:01 to 16:17
Discussing the troubling behavior of Clavicular during a live stream and its implications.
“You know chat put predictions in the chat on who gave me this fucking fired up peen.”
Clavicular's Live Stream Controversy
17:22 to 18:04
Discussing the troubling behavior of Clavicular during a live stream and its implications.
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Clavicular's Live Stream Controversy
18:27 to 19:20
Discussing the troubling behavior of Clavicular during a live stream and its implications.
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Jideon's Involvement in Mason Hull's Case
19:21 to 27:51
Exploring Jideon's role in addressing allegations against Mason Hull through his ex-girlfriend.
“He also says that every woman is pretty much a hoe.”
Confrontation Setup
28:01 to 28:50
Discussion about the build-up to confronting Hulo at his apartment.
Entering Hulo's Apartment
28:51 to 30:24
Details of how Gideon and Alex approach Hulo and gain entry to his home.
“And then second of all, at one point in the video, you're going to see Gideon almost comically pull out an Uno reverse card on Hulo's face.”
Gideon's Investigation Techniques
30:25 to 32:16
Exploration of Gideon’s methods during the confrontation with Hulo.
“and then call anybody and just have a shit show.”
Hulo's Justifications and Responses
32:17 to 34:30
Hulo's explanations and justifications regarding his actions and the content found.
“He said, I wasn't trying to go for younger, younger, younger.”
Concerning Discoveries
34:31 to 36:56
Discussion of alarming findings related to Hulo's online behavior and possessions.
“So they had to go through and I guess figure it out.”
Social Media Fallout
36:57 to 38:28
Examination of Hulo's reactions on social media following the confrontation.
“Think about framing someone online that there's only so many options.”
Social Media Fallout
39:35 to 40:13
Examination of Hulo's reactions on social media following the confrontation.
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Social Media Fallout
40:16 to 40:40
Examination of Hulo's reactions on social media following the confrontation.
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Social Media Fallout
40:41 to 41:20
Examination of Hulo's reactions on social media following the confrontation.
“The bitter part is kind of how alone you can feel in the fall and winter.”
Social Media Fallout
41:22 to 41:50
Examination of Hulo's reactions on social media following the confrontation.
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The Hulo Controversy Unpacked
42:00 to 46:06
Exploration of the allegations against Hulo and the reactions from fans and the public.
Public Perception and Defense
46:06 to 49:45
Discussion on public opinions regarding Hulo's case and the nature of social media defense.
“But there are genuine defenders who are saying things like what he was involved with is somewhat disturbing and wrong.”
Concluding Thoughts on the Case
49:45 to 50:14
Final reflections on the impact of Jideon's video and its implications for Hulo's case.
Concluding Thoughts on the Case
51:04 to 51:18
Final reflections on the impact of Jideon's video and its implications for Hulo's case.
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Transcript
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1:06We went down the foundational ideology of what Lux Maxing is, as well as the different pills, red pill, blue pill, purple pill, black pill. And I feel like we're overdosing on Lux Maxing, but we're almost done. So we're going to finish the lore of Clavicular before we dive into everything that has transpired with Mason Hull and how he was arrested for copious charges of possessing CSAM. So with that, let's get started. I don't know if Clavicular popularized bone smashing, but he apparently partook in it. So he shows himself a lot using trophies and hammers, just hitting his face, which, you know, there's also pictures that he shows where his entire face is so swollen, he can barely open his eyes.
1:48And he says that he would show up to work like that every single time. Like it just, his whole face looks like he's wearing rare beauty blush on the top of his cheekbones because he's been hammering it so hard. It's not even giving hunter eyes, it's giving pink eye. He said that he used to go into work every day looking like that because he would bone smash so hard. He's done an interview where he talks about everything that he takes on a daily basis And I don't know how true any of this is or if he's doing it for shock value, but equally problematic, right? He says i'm taking testosterone every single day.
2:19I take minoxidil for my hair. I take dutasteride for my hair I take 7.5 milligrams of accutane a day. I use crystal meth as a stimulant To lean max. It's much more mild than adderol actually and i'm pretty much using meth for hollow cheeks Wait, he's just openly admitting what's going on yeah yeah what is going on he says models will do coke to get their appetite to go away but meth just lasts a lot longer he says for three days i spammed a combination of adderall and methamphetamine for appetite suppression i literally went on a three-day fast and stayed awake the entire time i lost five pounds he's asked did it feel good and he says of course it's fucking meth he's also taken like anabolic steroids um which is not even approved for human usage at this point.
3:02It's just for animals. It's called like Trenbolone or something. Yeah. And he talks about it. He also talks about how he takes pregab and baclofen pills, which it's supposed to mimic the feeling of being drunk. But you cannot take them long term because you probably potentially are going to get Parkinson's, especially if you don't need these drugs, which he does not need them. Yeah. And in another clip too, I don't know how many viewers that take his words like the gospel, he says, you should be on your computer for hours researching, creating yourself a regimen. I mean, how can I ascend? What can I do?
3:35Not worried about what kind of side effects could I get from this? What could go wrong? How about what could go right? Side note, ascend is just another masculine repackaging for the concept of glowing up. And clavicular is nothing if not committed to his ascension. He says for him, he was ordering illegal testosterone. He would get it into a P.O. box. And he says, I'm just someone who is willing to do whatever needs to be done. So I would just reorder it to a P.O. box instead. A lot of people will come after my parents for the things that I did. But realistically, no one was stopping me. I was committed to my goal.
4:04He even gets kicked out of college for roid maxing. So he would brag about how he's roid maxing on these forums. And someone called his college. They raided his dorm room, found a bunch of steroids. Okay. They kicked him out. Oh, that's literally how he got kicked out of school. And then started his influencer career. And why not just work out and not use steroids? He says, natty gains are slow and gay. Natty means natural in the world of, I don't know what world that is. Okay. But he says, I am the pioneer of mainstream plastic surgery for men's aesthetics. He thinks the future is quote, every motherfucker will have some sort of titanium implant in their face.
4:41Rhinoplasties are being handed out like it's fucking food stamps. He says, you can actually get college loans and use it for surgery. So this is a method. So I've been telling people you can literally do that. So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble and you'll mog so you'll be able to sort of get out of it. This is crazy. And for someone who spends so much time and energy into mogging, he just like continuously goes viral for getting outmogged by random people. He was interviewed by 60 Minutes where he's just mogged by the reporter. He goes to meet an ASU frat leader, which that was like a fake narrative.
5:15Apparently he's not a frat leader. Apparently he is a bodybuilder. But he gets brutally frame-mogged like he does get mogged. And then later, the judge presiding over one of his cases because he was arrested a few times i'm gonna get into that but the judge mugs the shit out of him holy cow okay like mugs him really hard and he's just going around getting mocked so how does he take that when he gets out mugged he's actually like the one thing about clavicular i will say is he's like very open to being embarrassed oh he's just like i got out mugged okay does he does that motivate him to smash his face more is that what happened yeah okay but he like i guess that's the part where maybe he gets a lot of attention and fame because he's not like weird about it because you would imagine a lot of guys would be like i didn't get mugged but he's just like yeah why the fuck did i get mugged yeah yeah yeah so it's kind of yeah so his his like nose nose proportion is just two percent better than mine yeah probably pulling up adobe photoshop the looks maxers love adobe photoshop they love to get like the little measuring tool and then do the facial thirds and the way they do it like i'm watching their screen recordings it's so smooth i'm like wow oh my god are you looking for your job yeah wow so they are serious about this this is not not a not a bit no wow this is a lifestyle interesting yeah but he does sort of get a redemption arc even though i don't know okay he's also the one that said that we need to go back to the patriarchy times as if we somehow escaped it as if women are just like incapable of holding themselves to any moral code that's what he said he yeah yeah he thinks we need to go back to a patriarchy and that nick fuentes should be president he would vote for nick fuentes or gavin newsom if it's up between gavin newsom and jd vance but he goes viral because this is basically the clavicky era whoa vicky and clavicular have a live stream collab and whoa vicky is an interesting person i have not dived into the lore of whoa vicky so please correct me if i'm wrong and excuse me if i have any misconceptions but what i know about whoa vicky and bad baby are those two individuals seem like they grew up on the internet and have probably been through so much that people almost have like a soft spot for both of them right and well vicky she i don't know if she's been on i don't know what's happened but anyway she was in a collaboration with him and she asks him if he has autism and this is something that he talks about very openly where he feels like even looks maxing is a hyper fixation of his autism he talks about how growing up it was difficult for him and it seems like he could feel a little sensitive to it about it but whoa vicky is just like oh I don't even mean to be funny like I love people with autism they normally attract they attract to me like they attract like my little brothers and sisters all have autism and so he actually seems like he's into it and he's smiling a lot she also points out that he must be real rich because his Rolex has diamonds in it and she's never seen a Rolex with diamonds in it she asks if he knows anything about cortisol being recessed she's like cortisol or your stress levels and then recessed i think she's talking about like the chin going in but uh he points out that she's just combining a bunch of random words that the looks of the housing community have and everyone just started shipping them because he actually seems to be really nice to her like he's this is how little he's nice to girls and he seems like most of his live streams are him going to clubs in miami and either flirting with girls and getting rejected or being mean to girls I see And he's actually quite nice to her At least in the viral clips And he asks her Well you think we'd have good kids together And she's like Yeah I think they'd be cute And he said Probably from your side mostly And she's like No you look nice too And he's like You look better I think you got me a little bit So they're flirting a lot And he even says This is a viral clip Where he says God damn Vicky I wish I met you five years ago So it almost made people feel like Oh like Then he wouldn't have gone down This very self-destructive Looks maxing spiral and they would have ridden off into the sunset together yeah at some point she asks to pray for him because she's very religious now and she asks him is there anything pacific and he's very confused he's like in the pacific and she responds yeah like you want me to pray for you and he's like i don't really know any animals in the pacific he's trying to be funny yeah no i think he's for real oh okay okay so it's just like the mixture of like yeah yeah i got it I get the vibe.
9:54The neurodivergent and like the also neurodivergent, but like very different types of neurodivergent combining together. And it was just very cute. They also set up a mini date because the initial stream went so well. And it did seem like they had some bit of history or chemistry. It just was nice. People noticed that Wovic was the only girl that he was actively laughing around. He seemed very genuine. Like there are parts where Wovic is on her phone during the date. And he's like, it's not nice to be on your phone during the day. And she's like, oh, sorry. And then he asked her if there are times where she's without her phone.
10:28She responds, sometimes she actively lets her phone die. And there was a time she didn't have her phone for two days because it wasn't charged. And he's like, what did you do during those two days? And she mentions quite cutely, used other people's phones. So it's just like really cute, right? However, I do think it was for clout. So the very initial stream, this part did not go viral, but he actually kicked Woe Vicky out of his stream. the very first stream because she was using some sort of product and he was accusing her of doing an undisclosed ad on his live stream and she swore it was not an ad and then he wanted her to swear her hand on the bible and she said she didn't want to because that made her uncomfortable religiously speaking and so he kicked her out of the live stream like out of the house okay but then those clips the flirting clips from the initial live stream started going viral and people started shipping them so then he asked her to come back to do like a little date live stream so i don't know about woe vicky's intentions she seems pretty genuine but i think clavicular was going where the clout was going oh i see i see okay yeah yeah but also like what do you expect like this is a random blip of rebranding and virality that he had and this like the woe vicky clips actually pushed him to people like me like just people who didn't really know him and i was oh like i've heard about him i don't know any of the stuff that he said i just know like look smaxing is a weird concept but it was so cute it almost wants you to you you want to support them yeah but then you look into it okay and he's also said these types of things during a live stream chat i'm not gonna lie my mom literally got fat after she had me he also talks about girls like this you think i want to know about your fucking hobbies bitch i want to get in your fucking pants god damn it i want to fuck you and i want to convince you that i'm not trying to fuck you Which is why I'm having the conversation So how about you do me the courtesy of telling me Where at least went wrong, okay?
12:20Just so I can know He will just tell girls that their heads are full of cum Your fucking skull is full of cum instead of brain Yeah, he also likes to say that the best things To come out of self-driving cars like Waymo Is my favorite usage of self-driving Ubers Is to send stupid hoes off the fucking end Of the Santa Monica Pier in a self-driving car He says in another video Unless you're a Chad You will never experience what it's like To have a girl look at you and be truly in love I see so many people, they're making all this money, they got all these cars, but they've got a face that only a mother could love.
12:49I'm not telling you not to money max, but I'm telling you that until you maximize the looks along with it, you will never know what it's like. And that's a horrible reality to face. It's truly sad and most people won't get it. They'll cope their way around it. Oh, look at all these girls. But no girl will ever be able to look at them and truly be in love. He's also cried on stream because he ordered a burger and there was cheese on there. And he's not cheese maxing. one of his team members was interviewed by gq and they state he just does butter bagel no cream cheese do not hand him a fucking burger with cheese on it he will fucking throw that shit at you he goes on to websites like you know those random chat websites where it links you with another person on a video call a random stranger like omegle or whatever those yep and he just tells people how ugly they are in one clip he says a girl is gross for being overweight but also because she spoke in quote ebonics.
13:40He also says that there's another guy who outmogs him but quote but he's black. He's also said the N word before repeatedly I think on stream. He's also just like promoting bottom of the barrel care when it comes to sexual health. He says dude it's been burning to piss. It only means one thing. Usually it goes away on its own after a while but I don't know. I'm trying to think of who even could have given it to me. You know chat put predictions in the chat on who gave me this fucking fired up peen. And he says that he's not going to get an STD test because he can't live stream it. So what's the point?
14:11In another stream, he takes a woman back into his room. So his friend, there's, it's him and his friend and two women show up. They're live streaming in the living room of Clavicular's house, or at least it looks like it. And Clavicular takes one of the girls into his bedroom. After they do whatever they do in the bedroom, which I would imagine that they're both, you know, consenting adults at this point. There's nothing wrong with it. However, it's wrong that afterwards she's off camera in the live stream room. He's sitting in front of his little computer chair live streaming and he's shaming her in front of his chat, calling her a cum dumpster for giving up her butt.
14:46Those are his words in like five minutes of meeting him. Then he asks her to sit in frame on camera so he can probably humiliate her more. And she refuses. And he says, listen up, ho. You got to learn how to listen. I told you to sit next to me. Woman not listening makes me want to fucking kill myself. Just sit in the fucking chair and stop being a bitch. If you don't sit there, you can get out. Then he tells her that she's basically an escort for how quickly they had intimate relations, which like same could be said about you, but whatever. And he tells her, I liked it. I liked it. Okay, you're a fun time.
15:19Let's do it again. Let's do it again. She rejects. And the chat is donating money so that they can have their comment read out audibly. And like, tell me what's the difference between this and incels. And they have the audible comment read, she's regretting being a little hoe. now she has to do the walk of shame out of the room she rejects of wanting to have anything to do with clav anymore after this and she says it just wasn't that good to which he bluntly responds yeah i know i'm on pre-gab so i can't get hard and it's like not only is it very misogynistic and inappropriate i will say there's like a huge layer of just depression around it like just watching it it's like so wow you did all of that so you could sleep with women and then why are you being so mean and then you look so miserable throughout the whole process and then you're pushing it onto your live chat audience to do the same thing like what a meaningless life
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19:26He also says that every woman is pretty much a hoe. He says, I'm telling you, once a girl is not a virgin, her value is nothing. One body is a hoe. He also says things like, I don't really like a woman who tries to be super educated either and try to have these intelligent conversations because a lot of the times you could, and this is talked about by Socrates a lot, a woman could be very well educated, but that doesn't make them a good thinker. So they just might have a lot of facts in their brain, maybe from books they've read, but they don't necessarily know how to interpret them properly. They won't make the right conclusions.
19:58So I just don't want a wife who's wanting to argue about politics like all the time. He also ran someone over with his car. okay it wasn't just a random pedestrian i will say that it is a guy that is known to be kind of a professional streamer follower some people call him a stalker i don't know if i should call him that but it he shows up in a lot of live streams where he just like harasses bothers bothers streamers during their life and he finds them somehow or maybe by coincidence runs into them in public spaces yeah but um he did hop onto the hood of clavicular's cyber truck and was like laying there like a gremlin like foaming at the mouth and clavicular just started driving and ran over him and clavicular is also live streaming and he asks the girl holding the phone in the passenger seat is he dead and then he says hopefully and then right after that he posted an ai generated picture on x of him running the guy over and he captions it play stupid games win stupid prizes.
20:57I will say like maybe the guy is not the most sympathetic victim. He's alive. He did not die. But ultimately, the guy decides not to press charges, which means Clavicular is free to say whatever he wants about it. Because later at a club, people are like some girl is like, why are you so famous? I don't know. Who are you? And he says, it's because I ran a guy over with my car. Then there was another charge. Well, there was another incident that resulted in a charge he was collabing with another live streamer jenny uh jenny po po pat po patch i think she is also i don't know i i did some light digging and there are some i don't know if they're controversial but like controversies with her apparently i don't know but she's live streaming with clav clav has a girlfriend and apparently he has a girlfriend yeah i don't know if they're still together but jenny has come out to say that she felt like she was set up because clav would like flirt with her and she thought it was for the bit so she would kind of flirt back because you know they're all like content creators or whatever and then eventually she goes to the house where clav's girlfriend is and clav is holding jenny's arms back while the girlfriend is just like beating on jenny and there's a live stream clip of it yeah like actually beating yeah yeah yeah what What is going on?
22:14And then he shot an alligator in a marsh in the Florida Everglades. He shot at a drone. There are also new allegations against him from his ex-girlfriend who stated that she accuses him of essaying her when she was 16. And this clip has circulated online, not of the essay, but the next allegation that she has, which is he injected her face with Aqualix, the fat dissolver, on camera. he was 19 she was 17 and he was not licensed to perform any such injection which by the way that that injection clip was so dangerous to even watch because she looks so nervous he to me it feels like she's peer pressured into this and then afterwards she's like i think you went through my cheek and you can see her kind of move her tongue inside her mouth and she's like i think the needle went through my cheek right because that could cause nerve damage like you never know what you're doing and then she even worriedly asks him like am i gonna get like facial paralysis and he's like no also the whole time the live chat is talking about how she's a cum bucket she's a minor and also he's getting donations from users that go by jeff epstein so she's suing clavicular in a civil lawsuit which his attorney has come forward to say that none of this is true and that clavicular is going to vigorously defend himself.
23:37But what does that have to do with anything else that's about to go down? Do you guys know Jideon? Okay, so Jideon is part of, I don't even know how to categorize, like there's a lot of categories of YouTubers where they all do different things as their form of content. It's hard to say that Jideon fits into like the predator hunter category he does but he also like does other content I think he started off as like a prank youtuber here's the thing about Jideon I know that as of recently there has been some controversies of he was friendly with another youtuber who maybe he did not align I think in political values with I think there was like a whole thing there um I didn't do a deep dive into it and then I do believe that he was arrested briefly where I mean it was not really like a substantial charge they were live streaming trying to go into a mcdonald's the cops were called it was a whole thing okay it was the footage of the body cam of the arrest jideon was acting like an influencer would when they get arrested trying to film content it was you know the generic variation of like do you know who i am do you know how much money i make no yeah that kind of situation um so that was just like a really bad look but I think other than that it seems from the very light research that I've done Jideon is someone that everyone thinks is like a relatively like hopefully net positive in the world like he is putting people behind bars he doesn't go as far as some other predator hunters and he just has like a very unique way of doing it like I think if you've seen any viral clips of him there's cops arresting predators pedophiles and he's just like selfie recording himself and he's just like hey guys so this one's going to jail am i right like very that vibe and it's just kind of jarring to see the juxtaposition of like his very casualness along with the circumstances but also like it's hard to hate on a guy who helps put people behind bars right anyway he decides that he's going to i believe the ex-girlfriend i believe mason hole's ex-girlfriend Liv reaches out to him and she's explaining like I was dating this guy for eight months his name is Mason Hull and he is a looks maxer he does have a TikTok following of like a couple hundred thousand followers that's growing now now that he's been arrested which is crazy but he's nowhere near clavicular he's like a small small looks maxer probably like 200 ,000 on TikTok and she's like I was going through his phone and I found CSAM I thought he was cheating on me I found CSAM I went to the police they're going to investigate it and I've given them like she recorded it on her phone so she's like scrolling through the telegram messages gave that all to the police immediately after leaving which like huge kudos to her because there was no like I'm gonna confront him and like not that some people were worried because sometimes like like Ghislaine Maxwell you know you've got people who stay for whatever fame whatever anyway but they were like Like kudos to her.
26:42She got the evidence, left straight to the police, didn't come online. She's not trying to go viral with it. She did exactly what you're supposed to do. Police are investigating and it starts getting leaked here and there that something's going on with Mason Hull. And Gideon is like, okay, I want to cover this case. But he also knows if he starts reaching out, because I think at this point the ex-girlfriend hadn't reached out to him, if he starts asking around how to get in contact with mason hole's ex-girlfriend mason hole hello is going to know what's happening so he decides he's going to play an uno reverse that's how he describes it he's going to go on the discord and debunk the hulo accusations so there were whispers that something's going on with hulo like you know weird charges like something's going on and he jideon goes online and he's like no it's not true they're all fake okay really oh he's trying to play his hulo side yes so it's a whole ordeal i mean all of the videos are on jideon's youtube channel there's a handful of them there's interviews after the fact there's just a lot so please go watch all of those in its entirety so that you can get a really good idea of what's going on but they decide that they're going to confront hulo okay so jideon and then you have this guy alex from predator poachers i don't really know much about him but um and then you have live who is the ex-girlfriend so those three are going to show up to hulo's apartment and confront him wait i'm so sorry how where did we go from so he was defending hulo only because he knew that he wanted to do this video why did he do that if he is he waiting is he's so the girlfriend reached out to him it seems like it oh so then why is he defending hulo again because they're going to show up to hulo's house and if he didn't defend then i think that like he wouldn't let them in and talk to them like it was like a whole is that what it is yeah i think that's why i mean he can probably explain it better you know it's not really the strongest aspect of this case in terms of the actual case itself the criminal charges um the only reason okay honestly the only reason you need to know about this discord chat is because some people are upset with jideon for even posting that on discord in the first place even though it was part of a grander scheme and And then second of all, at one point in the video, you're going to see Gideon almost comically pull out an Uno reverse card on Hulo's face.
29:00So that's really the only reason you need to even have this context. So when he first meet Hulo, Hulo thought that Gideon is on his side. Yes, but like, okay, see, that's, it's difficult because Gideon is someone who catches predators. So if you don't know anything about Gideon other than that, and Gideon shows up to your front door, you're not going to let him in. Right. Especially if you're a predator. Right. So then with that Discord message, it seems like maybe Hulu was more open to letting him in. Okay. Okay. Okay. So does Hulu know that they're coming? No. Oh, it's a surprise. Yeah. Okay.
29:37So they get to Florida. They are in the backseat. That's like how the video opens and you just see Alex from Predator Poachers. I know nothing about that man. Liv, Hulu's ex-girlfriend, Jideon on the other side. They're all like crammed into the backseat. and Liv says that after she left Hulo's place, she went straight to the police and she did confront him on the phone after. She says he was just sobbing, calling me, absolutely sobbing, telling me he wants to talk to me and he's so sorry and he'll change, he'll go to therapy and he's doing all of this and now he has demons inside of him, just all that type of bullshit.
30:11So they show up to his apartment door and they knock on the door, they're filming with their iPhones and Hulo opens up shirtless and his hair is a mess, he looks like he just woke up and Alex from Predator Poachers tells him like, I don't want any neighbors to overhear anything and then call anybody and just have a shit show. Is it cool if we go inside and talk about it over hushed voices? None of us have any weapons or anything crazy like that. Is it cool if we come in? So they're just like trying to convince Hulo to let them in. So at this point, Liv, the ex-girlfriend, is like waiting in the car.
30:39Oh. You know? So it's just Gideon and Alex and their cameraman. I don't even know if their cameraman was there. Okay, so it's just like basically Alex and Gideon. Gideon says you know when we went over to his house we knock he opens the door he sees me and Alex and I shit you not I saw the life leave his face so they start you know trying to convince him to get in and most of it is like you don't want the neighbors to overhear so Mason Hulot hello lets them in and Alex is saying things like before anything like you know is any of that shit on telegram is it stuff you made yourself or did some dipshit just send that crap to you so a lot of it is like them trying to play his side like an investigator which is something that they do in most of their videos um i think objectively the way that they are able to communicate with people is really cool and it not cool cool is not the right word is effective and is something that i guess people could learn from however i will say a lot of these videos a lot of the content is not admissible in court.
31:44So just keep that in mind, right? Civilians cannot go around playing detective and get confessions out of people. It's just not, it's not going to fly like that in most courtrooms. And he's just like, well, I didn't make anything myself. So he says that he, you know, they're asking him all the questions of, did you know how old these kids were, like these victims in the videos? And he just says he doesn't know, but he just felt really guilty about it. And this is where Gideon comes in and Gideon is someone that after my very light research on him he he has this phenomenal ability to say the most unhinged things with a complete and absolute straight face and he just asks and clarifies he's like you felt guilty after you came and he's like after I just watched the videos and stuff I felt guilty and I just couldn't I don't know I just had to delete everything and Mason Hulo starts giving them lots of different excuses.
32:38He said, I wasn't trying to go for younger, younger, younger. I was honestly just trying to go for a little younger than I am. He says, you know, because he's still like 18. He just wanted to see in the 16 to 18 range specifically, which is already a crime. It's bad, right? But that's his excuse. However, that's not the truth because Liv already told Jideon, the girls were like three, six, seven, eight. Not that it would be okay if they were 16, 17, or even 18 and forced into this, right? But were there, was it just girls or boys or both? He responds, both, mostly probably women. That's crazy.
33:18I would hardly even call 18-year-old girls women, let alone little children that are nowhere near the label of women. Side note, the videos in possession are very bad, according to the police file. In one file, it reads, the victim is between the ages of 8 and 10. she is being restrained by a device so she can't fight back. She's like tied up. While another victim is even younger, 6 to 8 years old. And in short, according to the police report, she is being essayed and she's crying. Then in one of the longer videos, there is an 8 to 10-year-old little child who is also screaming and crying during the duration of the video.
33:54And that's just what's listed in this specific police file. It does state that in his possession, he had more than 10 images and videos. these are just three that we know of in jidion's video he's asked you know if it appeared to him like the children the victims were in pain and hulo responds i mean it seemed like they were probably just numb or drugged up it seemed like they weren't really saying anything also hulo the entire time his demeanor is just like like this and his eyes are just like soullessly staring into the camera wait what how is he out he's not arrested after the um the girlfriend's report no So they had to go through and I guess figure it out.
34:35Is he still out? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. I think Gideon was on it quick though. So it's not like there was a week in between. I think it was like the next day after the girlfriend reported to the police that Gideon was in Florida. Wow, okay. Gideon states that Liv, the ex-girlfriend, had told him that as she was going through his phone, she also discovered that he was looking up videos of animals being harmed, which raised a lot of alarms in her brain because they had just gotten a kitten together. Now Hulu later says that that's not true at all and that she's like half making up stuff just to make him look bad but like I don't really trust Hulu at all.
35:11Obviously that's not even the most alarming part. The most alarming part aside from the purchasing and the alleged purchasing and possessing of CCM is the fact that he has a little sister around 10 years old which according to the police report a lot of the victims depicted were in that age range. He also has a little sister that's an infant and they ask him. So Gideon and Alex are asking, confronting him, were there any thumbnails in there to where the body shape of that girl or boy looked the same age as your little sister? He says, that's not what I wanted to look at. Obviously you didn't watch it, but you did see there was a body type that looked like your 10 year old sister.
35:50Probably yes. Were they white asian black he responds i want to watch more white people he says that he just like he didn't really try to look for younger he just bought a package basically and he was just swiping and self-pleasuring but specifically if you note back to the alleged screen recording of the messages the seller is saying things like c sam teens all groups so it seems like he's i mean he specifically asked for c-sam so and not that it would make it better if he was watching teenagers but it's just like he keeps trying to be like oh i didn't want younger it just happened to be in there and i was just swiping and there's like this really weird part i get what they're trying to do but they're like so your hand was down there the whole time and they're like was it moving up and down like they're trying to get him to admit that he was getting you know gratification out of watching but he said that he was just watching normal shit and his body and mind just got curious and craved more he says quote i feel extremely guilty after and i still do to this day so jideon leaves and this is pretty much like a i wouldn't say a confession in the legal sense but as close to admitting to the crimes as you can get on video okay like it's pretty damn near there and after he leaves hulo's response is doing things like posting a selfie of him at the gym with looks maxing music and he writes on there no stress there's always two sides to a story coincidence that she's overly pushing trying to get this out on social media after us separating easiest way to spread misled information is online and therefore i will release with a video on my behalf with time the truth will reveal itself stay tuned what another one reads making a meme joke about a matter like that doesn't seem serious she says it destroyed her career why is she having a great time now that it's out?
37:42Think about framing someone online that there's only so many options. They are smart. I don't know. The peptides have infiltrated his gray matter and they're wreaking havoc because I don't know what this means. He also posts screenshots between his ex-girlfriend and someone else that, in my opinion, I don't know how legitimate these messages are. They just seem super fake. It shows his ex-girlfriend allegedly messaging someone. Hi, do you have the messages I sent? They respond, yeah. She responds, good. We are going to set him up. Everyone is going to think he is a PDF. Liv was like, those messages are fake.
38:16No one believes those, right? Because that's exactly how someone talks when they're going undercover to take down a small public figure, right? That's exact.
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41:56furthermore hulo's ex-girlfriend states that they didn't even have enough money to buy food and he was and this is not her complaining like oh he wasted our money this is her saying like that's the level of depravity like yeah yeah yeah she's like he's using whatever money they did have to purchase c-sam and that's why he's saying things like cp 25 max which has become a meme so if you go into this case you're going to see a lot of people saying 25 max 25 max which even hulo decides that he's going to jump in on the meme because he posted a looks maxing video and by looks maxing video i mean clenching your chin posing really uncomfortably in a way that makes you look like some sort of anime action figure but incredibly unnatural sucking in your cheeks and then you're just doing like selfie videos thirst trap videos he posts one of those with five times five like 5x5 which is 25 does he just think this is a hoot and a holler like he says he wasn't memeing just to meme it he did it because quote oh that's just everyone's saying it and it's crazy because during all of this you have people defending him you have fans defending him you also have fellow moggers besties chad moggers with oatmeal for brains brain as smooth this is skin he posts a selfie of the two of them in the car hulo looks unnatural just posing and he writes in the caption as a former defense attorney and someone who has faced allegations before i know the importance of waiting to hear both sides stop judging as if you know someone's life and let the facts come to light they were also organizing that he was going to do some sort of big interview with another looks maxer but i don't think that if it happened it's probably not going to air jideon at one point starts going through hulo's phone during this video that he filmed and he points out like i i don't know what algorithm it was or one of the social medias but he's like why'd you like this picture of this really young looking girl to which hulo transparently says so i'd get more posts like that to see more and he's like oh that makes sense you built this brick by brick no pun intended so jideon is saying like you built your algorithm brick by brick he says that he understands his girlfriend was traumatized finding because she clicked some of the links and saw the ccm but he says i feel like she really is trying to ruin my life i feel like if anything i need to go serve what i did wrong and then maybe go to like a facility treatment center yeah and throughout this entire video like they kind of framed it as we're just filming so you can't later say we came in here and beat you up it's for safety and then later at the end he's like are you guys gonna post this yeah yeah and they tell him no and then he's like then what are the mics for and he's like i just don't want you know anything to go online i just don't want to see my face on the internet right now they're like that's totally understandable he contemplates deleting his social media saying i truly just want to delete my account after confessing i don't even like watching tiktok because people are making fun of me left and right there's no point in even having it jideon you know after going on a monologue about how hulo needs to confess to the internet when he sees hulo checking out of the conversation he hits him with a you ever do swimming you have like a swimmer's body and then he's like oh and jideon's like no homo thank you it's just the shoulder up it's the up shoulders and he's like it's kind of like you have a michael phelps build yeah and then somehow jideon convinces him to do like a selfie style video so jideon is recording his face and it looks like he's like it's like a fan meet okay jideon is the fan not saying he is a fan but like the recording style okay and then he's like mason no more child porn right and mason is nodding and looking away last time and he's looking away mewing running his hand through his hair and then jideon literally pulls out an uno reverse card because remember so a lot of people were actually mad at jideon when it was happening that he had discredited the allegations against hulo on his discord okay okay so a lot of people are like i thought you're for catching predators not protecting predators right so he was like i did it for the long game like uno reverse he handed a card to him he just kind of waved it in his face i don't know if mason took it yeah what what's mason's reaction he's like got no reaction this whole time he's just like soulless eyes i mean i guess what what yeah what could you do at this point mason hull was eventually arrested may 6 2026 he is now facing 15 counts of possession of c sam his occupation and the arresting documents read tiktok influencer which he was released on bond that bond was revoked because he kept going online in fact he went on a discord where they played pretend court so it's like a discord server with a bunch of people and one of them was like i'm gonna be the judge and then the other person was like i'll be the prosecutor i'll be the defense attorney and mason on this case yes and mason was in the chat like he just snuck in or he knew no he knew oh and they're like all there it's like a video like a zoom meeting on discord they're having a fake little trial yeah mason was a part of it yeah and they're like your honor my client and they're just like doing dumb shit and he's there confused yeah so the bond was you cannot be on social media you cannot be on the internet unless it's to speak to your attorney so they revoke his bond now he's back in jail um he's still posting yeah in jail someone is posting on the account on his social media posting what his like the vault they call it the vault of just fucking weird thirst traps they're posting thirst trap right now yeah that is crazy yeah who could possibly be posting right now his manager his who knows yeah and uh some people are commenting and they're supporting him in his comments one comment says can't we just forgive him and stop being jealous another says i'm not gonna lie i don't think he's a bad dude another comments one minor imperfection you have another writes hulo is pred maxing one states that for hulo to get out of his charges he has to quote hulo got an IQ max bro.
48:12Another says no more CP maxing. But there are genuine defenders who are saying things like what he was involved with is somewhat disturbing and wrong. But at the same time, I do not believe he is evil or a genuine danger to society and the way people online are making him out to be. From what has been said about his behavior and interest from a young age, it seems like he is a mentally ill person whose mind became corrupted over time through exposure and disturbing content and unhealthy internet spaces. I also feel like Jideon should have focus more on exposing the distributors and people behind the material instead of mainly turning hulo into a viral target online what what one person comments being mocked by a pedophile is so brutal how do any of us even recover from this another's because he's facing 25 years one comment writes one year for each dollar he paid for ccm is crazy work one person comments looks maxer in pdf prisoners are going to be opening him up like a kid on christmas to which one person comments back I don't like how that was worded another person comments his cellmates are going to appreciate all the looks maxing he's done another person comments people defending this because he's attractive proves how cook social media is if this was some random ugly dude nobody would hesitate to call him a monster protect kids first not influencers now I will say this about jideon I know lots of people have opinions about just like the whole niche of content that's created with predator catchers and like really that could be said about any niche of content online um i do think i i don't really know much of his lore but i think without his video hulo might have a lot more defenders because i these are the exact group of people who are inclined to say things like the ex-girlfriend's lying because she's jealous like that i think that would have been the rhetoric by a lot of people i don't know if it would have been all people hopefully not but i think him able to get the video of him confessing to it at least for the public to see even if it becomes inadmissible in court I do think it helped a lot with this case so what are your thoughts on all of this?
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It's unclear who the saying "it can always be worse", is meant for.
A girl named Liv is suspicious that her boyfriend of 8 months is cheating on her.
But it can always be worse, right? But what if it's as bad as it can get? What if there is no worse… this is the bottom? Then what?
Liv reaches over while Mason sleeps. There is only one way to find out if he's cheating on her, go through his phone. Within the hour, she's packing her things and making a run for it.
What she found wasn't another woman. It was Mason negotiating prices with strangers on Telegram: $20 for videos, $30 for megalinks, $80 for all of the above. And links to what she later described to police as little girls between the ages of 6 and 7 years old, some as young as 3.
This is the case of Mason Hullo, a TikTok looksmaxxer exposed by his ex for purchasing CSAM, and his bizarre excuse behind why.
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