In short
The episode mixes two threads: (1) Netflix’s Maternal Instinct documentary about Taylor Parker, a Texas woman whose social-media pregnancy claims unravel into a death-row case; and (2) the Rotten Mango investigation into Mark and Tatiana Remley’s failed Valatar horse show, including alleged sabotage and a shocking “decapitated horse head” incident tied to their departure.
Guests
No specific podcast guests are identified in the provided transcript. The only “guests” mentioned are documentary subjects and real people discussed (Taylor Parker; Wade Griffin; Mark Remley; Tatiana Remley; plus a “Damon” founder of Sanctum Club and “Emma” a Valatar producer), but they are not presented as interview guests.
Key claims
Taylor Parker lied about being pregnant; the town knew but didn’t stop her; Valatar invested over $20M, lost it all, and the Remleys allegedly took 26 horses and equipment, leaving staff stranded.
Notable examples
Wade Griffin is described as a hog trapper; Valatar’s red-tent show is compared to Cavalia; the “decapitated horse head” is said to be a statue placed on the couple’s bed; Sanctum Club is described as an elite Beverly Hills sex club with strict vetting and rumored celebrity attendees.
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Chapters
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0:33 to 0:47
An exploration of equestrian sports and the science behind horses.
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Understanding Equestrian Sports
0:51 to 12:09
An exploration of equestrian sports and the science behind horses.
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Understanding Equestrian Sports
13:50 to 14:23
An exploration of equestrian sports and the science behind horses.
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Understanding Equestrian Sports
14:28 to 14:45
An exploration of equestrian sports and the science behind horses.
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Support for Immigrant Rights
14:52 to 15:14
Discover how partnerships support immigrant rights advocacy.
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Disclaimer on Sensitive Topics
15:15 to 15:29
Understand the sensitive topics that will be discussed in this episode.
“A few disclaimers, there are mentions of potential CA, religious trauma, though very brief, and additionally, mental health and self-exit conversations.”
The Sanctum Club Introduction
15:30 to 16:18
Learn about the unique and secretive Sanctum Club experience.
“When it comes to the ultimate fantasy, the saying is, you know, no two are the same, right?”
Inside the Sanctum Club's Performances
16:19 to 18:49
Explore the various performances and themes at the Sanctum Club.
Concerns about Attendees and Hygiene
18:50 to 21:04
Discuss common fears about intimacy clubs and how Sanctum addresses them.
“They're all doing nasty to each other on the dinner table after the dinner party.”
Membership and Invitation Process
21:05 to 23:08
Understand the rigorous membership and invitation process at Sanctum.
“Apparently a lot of the devotees are not hired.”
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The Founder’s Vision for Sanctum
23:09 to 24:11
Examine the founder's intentions behind creating the Sanctum experience.
“You walk in, you tell them what you're here for.”
Controversies and Celebrity Connections
24:12 to 27:48
Explore the controversies surrounding former members and celebrity guests.
“So Esquire states about one party's guest list.”
Comparison with Other Clubs
27:49 to 28:00
Learn how the Sanctum Club compares to other intimate venues.
“So, like, I'm assuming there are many of these clubs that exist then, right?”
Exploring Elite Nightclubs and Their Variations
28:00 to 31:58
Learn about the different types of elite nightclubs, their atmosphere, and experiences.
“So, Sanctum is different in the sense of, like, it's an elite club where everyone is free to explore.”
Exploring Elite Nightclubs and Their Variations
33:07 to 34:09
Learn about the different types of elite nightclubs, their atmosphere, and experiences.
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The Rise and Fall of Valatar Horse Show
34:47 to 37:58
Discover the ambitious creation and challenges faced by the Valatar horse show.
“Cavalia is what you would consider an equestrian fantasy.”
Challenges and Setbacks After the Launch
37:58 to 42:00
Examine the difficulties faced post-launch of Valatar and the impact on the team.
“There are also four small tents connected to the big one.”
The Valatar Horse Show Fiasco
42:00 to 45:34
Learn about the disastrous events surrounding the Valatar horse show and the fallout for those involved.
“One producer of the show, Valatar, let's call her Emma, she invested over$25 ,000 of her own money into Valatar.”
The Valatar Horse Show Fiasco
45:57 to 46:12
Learn about the disastrous events surrounding the Valatar horse show and the fallout for those involved.
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The Valatar Horse Show Fiasco
46:21 to 47:09
Learn about the disastrous events surrounding the Valatar horse show and the fallout for those involved.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Netflix has done it again. Unknown number, the crash, and now the new must-see documentary maternal instinct tells the story of taylor parker while claiming to come from a wealthy family she fell for wade griffin a hog trapper in a small texas town their relationship appeared perfect complete with a pregnancy that she shared all over her social media but doubts around her pregnancy grew and when the truth finally surfaced it brought horrifying consequences meet taylor parker the youngest woman on death row and the town that knew she was lying but did nothing to stop her Watch Maternal Instinct now, only on Netflix.
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1:16They are genetically tested. They're bred to make sure that they are well-bred, that they're well-fid for the games that they're entering. One lab testing that you can get done on a horse is for the speed gene. It's a very specific gene. If a horse has this specific gene, they are going to be more predisposed to develop what they call the fast twitch muscles. They're perfect for the sprint, but they're not going to be endurance horses. So the genes of a horse can even tell you if a horse is going to be predisposed to liking dirt or turf, which is very important. The lab says some clients will even have their horses tested as soon as they're born.
1:54Then they can just map out a plan for all of their individual horses, which trainer they're going to go see which type of sport they're going to specialize in and there's a lot of specialties there's a lot of different ways you can look at a horse I mean obviously I'm not just talking from like an ophthalmology standpoint let's start with English riding you have dressage often called horse ballet it's how a rider is able to guide their horse through a complex movement performance it's an Olympic sport it's all about the grace the control of the horse if you are me and you are uncultured and you watch this on tv during the olympics it looks like the horse did didn't we yes it's doing like a little dalliance like a little dance like a little tippy toe dance that's what it looks like the horse is galloping in place it looks like it's just skipping in place which side note when they skip in place the horse appears motionless at certain points but that is exerting an enormous amount of energy on the horse because trotting in place defies the laws of motion for a horse.
2:55It actually is like physically very difficult. They're probably sweating from trotting in place. And I'm just like, look at him. Look at the tippy toes. That's what it is. These horses have to train for like a minimum of eight to 12 years to do the tippy toe dance. Wow. That's dressage. Then you head into show jumping. That's where the horses and the riders, they have to clear a course of obstacles. They look like fences without knocking them down. It's about speed. It's about clearing the rounds. Although most of them look incredibly graceful, I will say. But with any equestrian event, there has to be a lot of trust and relationship established between the horse and the rider.
3:30Show jumping, with that being said, so elegant, so graceful, so beautiful. I could never do that. If you've never seen it, I'm just going to give you a visual in your head for the audio listeners. You know when you have the dog competitions and you have the dog like jumping through the obstacle courses? It's like that, but you're on the Australian Shepherd's back. But also your outfit is great. It looks good. It looks artistic. I'm uncultured. It's the only way I can describe it. The third of the English disciplines is called eventing, where you do dressage, show jumping, cross country. Cross country is essentially American Ninja Warrior, but on a horse.
4:03You go through like a full outdoor obstacle course. You've got logs in ditches of water. You've got water features that complicate the horse, and horses get spooked very easily. So you have to make sure that they don't get spooked, and you get penalized for refusals, that's when the horse is like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. You get penalized for that. You get penalized for falling, obviously. Or interestingly, you get penalized for going too fast or too slow. I didn't know that was a thing, but you can't, you have to be in the sweet spot of allotted time. You actually get penalized if you're faster than that allotted time.
4:37Every second faster than that little sweet spot time, you have a penalty. Why is that? It's, you want to, I think that they're also trying to prevent reckless dangerous acts on a horse by going too fast and it's about like the agility and the consistent speed instead of just like bursts of sprinting through so they're looking for a lot of different things so like okay what you know these these sports what how much of that is the horse doing the sport versus the person on top of the horse both it is both yeah it's both so there are really really good riders but the horses that's why horse juice for reproduction is one of the most expensive liquids in the world if you have a really well-bred stallion if you have a really well-bred show horse their specimen to procreate other horses can be very expensive to purchase so it's all about the horse lineage and also the rider it's a mixture of both i mean i don't know It's hard to say, but I think the Western ones are a little bit more fun.
5:42So the Western riding disciplines and competitions, you've got reining. This is about the athletic prowess of the horse. So it's dressage, but kind of more rodeo level. I mean, it's all about how a horse can do a series of patterns, sliding, straps, spins, flying lead changes. One Redditor says, it primarily focused on moving your horse with very little hand movements. the focus is on using your seat and your legs almost exclusively to control this horse and the energy is different it appears that it's taking place inside like a dirt pit in a stadium and i love horses i think they're so majestic i have an irrational fear of sustaining a brain injury on a horse but other than that i feel like they're smarter than me however when you watch this for the first time all i can compare it to is like when your dog has the zoomies and they're zooming and they're like skidding to a stop and you're on top of the horse.
6:34That's what a lot of the rest Western competitions look like. And I'm sure it takes a lot of skill. And then you have, interestingly, I mean, you also have like the equestrian events that are more focused on the rider about how the rider is able to control their horse. Then you have like the show horse events where it's really just about the horse itself and their breeding and their stance and all of that, as well as horse show performances. Cavalia. It's like Cirque du Soleil meets horses. Acrobats on a horse. I mean, these are just a few shows in sports that horses are the center of. And of course, sports like polo.
7:11I can't forget polo before everyone gets mad at me. This is a field that's three football fields long. Everyone is on a horse. These horses are like a thousand pounds, even though they're called polo ponies. They're not ponies. They're massive horses. And the writers have to use these little mallets to hit and aim at this tiny white ball. Each polo pony is going like 30 miles per hour. All their tails have to be wrapped so that nobody's equipment or their tails don't get tangled with each other causing injuries. It's a very dangerous sport. Most elite polo players have at least 10 polo ponies for one match.
7:45They swap through the ponies in one match because a few minutes of polo ponying, the pony is tired. They've got 10, and they have to fly these horses in from all over the parts of the world when they have a polo match. But here's an interesting detail. Sometimes the polo ponies are all the same. Not the same breed. Not the same look. But genetic carbon copies. Genetic clones of each other. What do you mean? They started cloning ponies. You're kidding me? Yeah. Lab made. Lab made. From some of the best polo ponies, they cloned them. That's crazy. There's one top player in the world. Really? He's got, he's from Argentina, I believe.
8:22And he has six of the same exact pony, genetically speaking. They are clones. He has six clones. I didn't know we were doing that already. There's a lot of drama there. I mean, some people believe eventually polo is going to be a game of who can clone horses the best, rather than who can play polo the best. Other people think it's becoming even more expensive to learn the sport of polo. There's a lot of drama. Even who has the rights over each clone? There's so much drama there. There's a lot of scandals. It's a very complicated story where players are now saving genetic samples of their horse's skin in cryogenic storage chambers.
8:56The horse world is crazy. It seems like each division of equestrian sports, the horse world, they've got their own fair share of scandals. And for Valatar, this is a horse show in California. They have a lot of scandals. The owners of the horse show Valatar are this wealthy couple. They're pretty conventionally attractive as well. It's kind of important later, but they're the Remleys. The Remleys look like your standard rich couple from San Diego. Mark Remleys, the husband, he's a bit older. He looks very fit, but in a nerdy way. I don't know how to describe it. He looks fit in the way that Jeff Bezos looks fit.
9:32Like you remember Jeff Bezos as a bald nerd. And then now he's like jacked and bald. But you can just tell it just doesn't sit normally with him. Like he just doesn't move like he's always been fit his whole life. Like genetically modified. Exactly. Like it just doesn't feel like it just feels like a little weird. I don't know if that's the best look on him. Mark Remley looks fit the way Jeff Bezos looks fit. And then you have the wife, Tatiana Remley. And Tatiana, she's blonde. She's got a Sports Illustrated model cover body. And she's also the star of the Valatar horse show. She's an equestrian.
10:07She's a writer. They've invested over$20 million into the show. And they lose every single penny of it. I mean, the list of Valatar scandals goes on, but it includes horses get abandoned with nothing to eat. performers quit over massive creative differences over tatiana later the owners are known to be swingers at a sex club that a lot of celebrities attend and this is not necessarily a scandal but that was more of an interesting side quest and former staffers will come out to say more or less tatiana doesn't even know how to ride a horse well so their horse show what exactly do they do like which branch of the it's like division cavalier they are acrobats on horses cirque de soleil meets horses.
10:49So it's like performance. Yes. Not like a competition. No. I see. I see. And Tatiana doesn't even know how to ride a horse well and you're supposed to be doing a handstand on a horse that's galloping around the atrium. But the biggest scandal to come out of Alatar has to be the decapitated horse head on the Remley's marital bed. It's not real though. Thank god. Okay. I mean it happened but it's not a real horse head. It's a decapitated horse head from one of their very expensive horse statues that they have in their front lawn of their five and a half million dollar house in Del Mar, California.
11:22This is near San Diego. And it's clearly not a mistake. No one, it's not like one of their housekeepers accidentally knocked over the statue while sweeping. And in a moment of panic, they placed the decapitated horse statue head on the couple's bed, changed their government name, ran off to a new state to start a new business. That is not the case here. This is a targeted message. This is a threat. And by the end of it, one of the Remley's, one of the founders of the Valatar Horse Show, will be dead.
12:08Netflix has done it again. Unknown Number, The Crash, and now the new must-see documentary Maternal Instinct tells the story of Taylor Parker. while claiming to come from a wealthy family. She fell for Wade Griffin, a hog trapper in a small Texas town. Their relationship appeared perfect, complete with a pregnancy that she shared all over her social media. But doubts around her pregnancy grew. And when the truth finally surfaced, it brought horrifying consequences. Meet Taylor Parker, the youngest woman on death row and the town that knew she was lying but did nothing to stop her. Watch Maternal Instinct now, only on Netflix.
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15:24So please take care of yourself, and if this becomes too much, take a break, and we will see you in the next one. With that being said, let's get started. When it comes to the ultimate fantasy, the saying is, you know, no two are the same, right? That doesn't apply. Everyone has similar fantasies and interests, apparently. You like watching your partner have intimate relations with somebody else in front of you? Yeah, so did Diddy, okay? Get in line for the chair. There's lots of people. Now, the usage of ropes? There's a whole community built on the art of tying rope on somebody. However, even if you have this super niche, specialized interest where you think there's nobody else that has the same fantasy as I do.
16:02They are ready, such as watching Lady Antoinette do the bounce on a champagne bottle. A historical figure from France do the bounce on a champagne bottle. If you have thought about that extensively at night and it keeps you up, you are not entirely alone. And there is someone here to make it happen for you. The Sanctum Club. This is the place where nothing legal is off the table there are lots of places where you can go and watch your partner have intimate relations with someone else right in front of your face but none of them are like the sanctum club that's what all the sanctum members will tell you sanctum club is an elite sex club in beverly hills that has been called half pagan sex cult half entertainment mogul after party sex club say that one more time half what yeah it some people think it's like a pagan sex cult it's like not super religious oh okay or it's a half entertainment mogul after party sex club so where all the hollywood directors go after the oscars and they watch everybody do the bounce okay that's like which one is it we don't know it's still operating it is still operating with new owners okay yeah actually one of the members bought out the club and they operate it i did go on like I fell down a rabbit hole on reddit some people say it's past its prime time so there's like lots of debates of which club and I think they do a lot of more parties and events in New York and then I went down the whole rabbit hole and they said you know the best parties in New York are the ones that you need to invite to that nobody really knows the club name anyway okay it's up to you to decide which is a more fitting description for a sanctum you usually don't even know who's going to be in attendance beforehand you have to give up your phone at the door you have to sign an ironclad nda before going in the only reason that we even know about this club is well for how secretive they are they've got a whole season of a reality show online readily available to watch and we're gonna get more into that later because tatiana and mark remley are on the show okay that plus a few writers and a few column writers journalists were allowed inside and were able to describe the party without mentioning any specific guest.
18:13Each party is different. Each crowd of attendees is different. But for each party, you have a group of devotees. These are the performers that work for Sanctum. That's what they're called. They are the erotic theater performers. They're the show. Depending on the theme, their performance will differ. Sometimes it consists of them dressing up as bunnies and standing as still as possible as human furniture that you can grow. Other times, after a private dinner party, these devotees will climb on top of the dinner table and carry on with consumption of things that are not food. What? They're all eating each other, okay?
18:50They're all doing nasty to each other on the dinner table after the dinner party. I do think the health department might take issue with that, but it's not a restaurant establishment. It's a private party, so I guess perhaps it gets a pass. sometimes the performance will include one of the devotees dressed up as lady antoinette a historical figure sitting on top of a coffee table doing ungodly unspeakable things to a champagne bottle that hasn't been popped yet and the only thing i can think of is that seems really dangerous because at least you should empty it right yeah that's crazy but the most important part about sanctum club that's actually really alarming yeah i know and it was on the reality show oh oh yeah what is on the reality show the performance is on the reality show lots of stuff was on the reality show okay well yeah lots of stuff so but the most important part about sanctum club is that your biggest fears they tell you the biggest fears that you have about an intimate club is not going to come true what is the biggest fear if you go on reddit and you look up biggest fear about going to a sex club, an intimate club.
19:56Everyone is going to be unhygienic and ugly. That's people's biggest fears. What if I go and I'm the hottest one in the room and I'm not even that hot? That's what people say on Reddit, okay? People attending the clubs are scared to go see, God forbid, ugly people. That's terrifying for them. Then the next fear is that everyone at the better clubs, right, sometimes you go to an elite club and you're like, okay, well surely the pool's gonna be better here. And then you go and you find really ugly, old, rich dudes and really hot young girls. And that's it. So there's lots of fears. With Sanctum Club, they say this doesn't happen.
20:34Because even the old, ugly, rich guys, they get vetted. And you can't be too old and you can't be too ugly. You can never be too rich though. With Sanctum Club, those that have attended say you don't have to worry. I mean, first of all, the women outweigh the men in numbers most of the time. and they're all wearing like expensive bras that cost over a thousand dollars for one bra. High heels. Everybody's fit. Everybody's attractive. Everybody's wearing a mask. It looks like Cirque du Soleil meets a Victoria's Secret fashion show. People refer to it as quote, the most glamorous sex party I've ever been to.
21:03It's like the movies Eyes Wide Shut with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Is it? This is all legal? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Okay. Apparently a lot of the devotees are not hired. Like they're not paid for performing. so I think there's like legal loopholes oh okay I see so what is everyone doing there? each other so you pay to get in you pay to be a member first of all you need to buy membership and that ranges from$30 ,000 a year to could be$100 ,000 and then you pay to get into each party that's crazy and then once you get in I'm sure that there are concessions like free drinks and free food but that's not really what people are there for.
21:48They're there to do other things. What? Yeah. Okay. But I think the prices have changed. I think those were the prices at its height. If I'm not mistaken on Reddit recently, they had a couple go in for like$1 ,000 for the couple. It's insane. Yes, it's insane. But they were not paying a whole salary a year to be a member. Former party goers would argue. Damon, the original founder of Syncdom, he was so selective about who he let into the doors. It wasn't some cheap sex party where everybody brings a date and you automatically swap. There's a very big difference between a sex party and a Sanctum party.
22:24The founder Damon states, I have no desire for a swingers party here, but I do want to open dialogue about how we can come out of our fear of sexuality. So in order to enter, you must send a message on Facebook to Sanctum. At least that's how it started. Eventually they get so big, they have their own like curated submissions page. but it's just not, it's just very tedious to get an invite. There's no guarantee. To even pay to be a guest at one of the parties, you have to submit photos of yourself. You have to appear presentable. You have to answer questions such as, what turns you on the most?
22:54Now link all of your social media handles so we can vet you. You're supposed to be honest, but you can't help but feel like there's a right answer for every question. Like, what do you mean is the hottest thing I've done? I feel like this is, I mean, what do you mean? Now I feel like I'm answering an SAT test. You will be likely given an address to pick up your tickets. It's a lingerie shop in Hollywood. You walk in, you tell them what you're here for. The staff walk to the back and they come out with your invite on a silver platter. You have now wasted approximately two business days of energy to get this invite, but maybe it's worth it.
23:25And it's all on purpose. Damon, the founder, says it's the opposite of what most club owners want. I absolutely did not want 500 people outside clamoring to get in. I love the puzzle of getting there. But it's deeper than that. it's more meaningful. This club is supposed to, it's our most basic human desires, but beautiful. The owner calls it, quote, spiritual and erotic utopia, where people of like minds and desires can have as much intimate deeds and romance as humanly possible in as many different ways as the imagination can invent. One former performer at the club says about the founder, he is like the modern day sex Jesus.
24:03I kind of feel like he sacrificed himself for the greater good of creating a culture for people that was needed, especially in a city like Los Angeles. I think that's why they call it like half pagan sex club. So Esquire states about one party's guest list. Among those confirmed are a man who owns multiple hotels in New York City, a billionaire from Moscow, several wealthy couples who have been married for more than 20 years, the producer of a number of well-known television shows, an actress with a reputable IMBD page, the 21-year-old son of a movie producer international models and a couple opening a big new store near rodeo drive according to business insider they state that the alleged celebrity guests at events include gwyneth paltrow and uh yeah yeah and they just name dropped yeah but they said allegedly and business insider said it and they have a lot more money so go sue them first right so what even the devotees are hand picked with strict guidelines.
25:01It's not just about being physically hot. One woman was picked on the spot because, quote, one woman said to me, I want to perform at Sanctum. And then I want to become a politician and then get outed in a sex scandal so that I can point out the hypocrisy in society. And they said, you're in. How do we know this? They just told the story? Okay. They do private masquerades, erotic parties, erotic theater. And some of it is very, like, it's not just eyes wide shut you know how everyone was talking about the rothschild's parties where they hunt people where they have like the animal masks on they kind of recreate those so you'll have very hot women with giant horse heads very realistic ones that are not hot and not fun they look very real and then they'll have like mary antoinette was doing the deed with her horse but that horse was a woman who dressed up as a horse with a very realistic horse head.
25:54Sometimes it's elephant heads and they'll try to stick elephant trunks in places where they probably shouldn't be stuck. And there's just like, I think it's all about, I don't know. They used to do a monthly masquerade in New York and people will fly in from all over the world for these masquerades. Damon, the club owner says that every Sanctum member has to pass an application process, run background checks, basic memberships start at$30 ,000 a year, and they have Dominus members, which is$100 ,000 a year, and they will tailor bespoke erotic requests for you. And just because you have money doesn't mean you can become a top-tier member.
26:31They only offer that level of membership to 20 people worldwide. And one of the main reasons that we actually know about Sanctum Club on a larger scale is because the founder took to Instagram previously to write, Hunter was a member of Sanctum and I canceled his membership after one party because he was a scumbag. Hunter who? Hunter Biden? Which Sanctum's former founder, this is after he sold Sanctum. He went online and said Hunter Biden was a former member. Allegedly this is what he said, not what I said so don't sue me. That is what? Yeah. Wow. He says the only reason that he would go against his own former club's rules of not outing a member is quote, posting what I did on my Instagram about Hunter Biden was me letting people know what type of behavior that he exhibited was something that upset me.
27:16I knew the consequences could be me not being part of Sanctum anymore, but I was willing to take that risk. Sanctum was bought out by a former member at this point, and they released a prompt statement. Sanctum is a private members club, and they prioritize safety and privacy of our esteemed members above all. Consequently, we neither confirm nor deny the identities of our attendees. Furthermore, we uphold a strict code of conduct, and any infringement leads to a lifetime ban. Please note that Mr. Lawner's membership has been revoked effective immediately. The previous owner? Yes, the founder.
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27:45When was this? Like, when was it bought out? This was a few years ago. Really? This is recent? Wow. So, like, I'm assuming there are many of these clubs that exist then, right? Yes. I mean, there's one in New York that's very famous on TikTok. It's called The Box. It's very different. So, Sanctum is different in the sense of, like, it's an elite club where everyone is free to explore. the box is like a bar business club in new york but i believe there's a few in europe that a lot of americans like to try to get into but they're i think the way that they're described is they're a bit like raunchier they're a little bit more on the i i don't ask me why i fell into this rabbit hole but there's so many different variations of clubs so some of the clubs they're more on that raunchy shock value sex factor this is where it's just all about shock people say it's not even hot it's just shocking because like you'll just see someone have bodily fluids empty into a bucket and they're just like swinging it around in the club it's sometimes unhygienic just shocking just what the fuck is happening and then you have maybe the clubs that are more sexually inclined but more artistic maybe more so like a burlesque club and then you have like the super hot clubs like strip clubs and then you have sex clubs which are different because you're free to have intimate relations in the establishment or at the party venue they'll even have beds usually and different types of furniture and it's set up so that you're encouraged to join in the activity most of these clubs in new york like these public establishments when you're of age they're not encouraging you to do anything in fact you could probably get arrested okay it's just like that's the entertainment that's the show i see i see i see but sanctum it's there's a show and there's an interactive element and then there are clubs where there are no shows lots in vegas where there's tons of rooms with tons of mattresses and beds that i think you should probably like do a blue light or a black light whatever black light on and they're like swingers clubs so there's no show but lots of like-minded people gather and they will do things with each other so it's like sanctum without the show right okay i see that makes sense so there's like lots of different variations yeah and there are an alarming amount of girls on reddit that were invited to one of these establishments by their boyfriend and they were not specified on which kind of establishment that they were invited to because they all thought they were going to be like the box in new york and then they end up in like a las vegas swingers club so just be very careful that's alarming yeah and there's also lots of reddit posts of people who have gone to different establishments and had fantastic times phenomenal times best times of their lives some people write about how it saved their marriage which i don't know right but there are also people who say just beware of something that no one tells you about there will be very specific smells that you will never be able to unsmell no matter how high end a place is no matter how hygienic a place is when you have that many people and you have that many bodily fluids and you have that many activities taking place in a closed space there There will be smells and you will get a whiff of that smell and you will never forget it.
30:54In the bow way? Yeah. Oh, God. Even one of the journalists that went to the Zinkton Club, one of the parties, says everything was so high-end, so beautiful. Every woman felt like a supermodel. Everybody was hot. Even the guys were hot and they're all dressed to the nines with these fancy masks. It's a masquerade party. But then they went into the bathroom to fix their lipstick and someone had just taken a number two. because money can't buy your way out of digestive issues. So it was very smelly in that one bathroom. That's all they said. Okay, but that's a different... Yeah, that's a very different story.
31:25It's just like a bathroom smell, yeah. But there's just scents involved in everywhere. That's what they say. But Sanctum has had its own share of lots of scandals. There was a former member of Sanctum that left and they accused Sanctum of admitting a performer who had an active STD. That became a whole scandal. But the worst scandal to come out of Sanctum Club, the worst thing, I don't even think you could call it a scandal, is when one member of the Sanctum Club tried to have another member killed.
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34:52Cavalia is what you would consider an equestrian fantasy. This is the horse show. No new to this is completely unrelated to Syncdom Club. Cavalia it's Cirque du Soleil meets the horse shows it's like a blend of horseback riding and doing flips and it's so much about the horses the performance is built around the idea that the horses are the main show humans are the side plots so you see this stage and it's enormous there's water tanks that they have to fill to look like a beach almost and the horses are galloping through the sand and the water and the horses are just there's acrobats flying in the air there's tight ropes.
35:30There's acrobats doing handstands on the horses as they're galloping. One performance, dangerous, one of the most dangerous performances really of Cavalia, includes a rider standing with one foot on one horse, another foot on the other horse, while the horses weave patterns and jump obstacles. There's very little margin for error. And you know, you have to know a horse really well. These types of performers say you have to be able to see when a horse's ear flicks just a little bit Because even like a little ear flick of the horse, maybe they're getting spooked by something. Maybe they're agitated.
36:01Maybe something is uncomfortable in their hoof, like their little hoof. During its peak, Cavalier was bringing in$40 million a year, but they have since filed for bankruptcy, citing that they are close to$30 million in debt. But that was, you know, that's recent in this year. A few years ago, they were at its peak. That's when Tatiana and Mark Remley decide that they're going to take Cavalier down. They want to compete with Cavalier and make their own horse show, but better and probably hotter. Tatiana, with her blonde hair slightly covering her face, she tells a local reporter in San Diego who's reporting on this, there's like this massive red tent and they find out it's called Valatar, the new horse show that's coming into business soon.
36:43She says, when I was around 14, I went to a Russian Kazakh circus. It's different than your regular circuses in the US. It's just stunning. A lot of amazing writing, riding with a rider going under the horse, under the belly, at a fast gallop, just edge of your seat suspension, just intensity. And it hit me. It was just this desire started going into me to want to create a show that's different from anything that's ever been created. I'm so excited. This is my dream come true. And I want to bring this magic to the lives of everyone that will allow me to bring it to them. A lot of people love horses and can't have them.
37:20And so by coming here, they live this dream and they can touch them and come close to them and see them and experience the magic. What year was this? This was early. This was like, they went, I believe they closed down in 2019. How long did they run it for? Like a few years? Two shows, like four shows. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Like a month. It was in production for a really long time, but actively in business and you could go watch their horse show. Four shows. Okay. The opus of Valatar lies in this gargantuan red tent in the middle of Del Mar, California. It looks like a giant red circus tent for a state fair, but massively bigger.
38:01There are also four small tents connected to the big one. Collectively, under this tent, it's 45 ,000 square feet. It's a huge tent. That's bigger than a neighborhood suburban shopping center fit inside of this giant red weatherproof tent held up by this massive steel structure. The tents alone cost over$2.1 million. The plan is this. Mark Remley is a tech entrepreneur. We like some of his software. What the fuck does he know about horses? Nothing. Mark Remley knows nothing about horses. The husband. Yeah. Tatiana, the wife, Tatiana Remley, has been riding horses ever since she was a kid. But is she an equestrian?
38:40Is she the best horse rider? Probably not. You say he's a tech founder? Is he like really loaded? Like a billionaire? No, he's worth about$30 million. He's not a billionaire. His tech corporation was Signal Corp, unrelated to Signal Messaging App, but they were a defense contractor. I see. I guess we don't like some of his software. But anyway, Tatiana has been riding horses ever since she was a kid. And she thinks, I got it. I'm going to do Valatar. I'm going to plan the show. We're going to fly in all of these writers, all of these directors, producers, performers from all over the country and be a part of this exciting mission.
39:18You want to see someone do a headstand on a moving horse? You got to come to Valatar. Or you could go to Cavalia that's like 20 minutes away, but no, come to Valatar. It's better, it's newer, and Tatiana is going to be the face of it. There are billboards put up all over Southern California and randomly in seemingly bizarre places in the West Coast where Valatar is not even present, like Seattle. We'll get there. The show has these, the billboard shows these two edited stallions black stallions with their manes like in the air and they're facing in opposite directions and then tatiana is in the middle holding a stick it kind of looks like an ai generated medieval times type of poster or like a strip club billboard that's what most people describe it as the marketing feels a bit seductive like i don't know if this is a family friendly horse show i don't know what this is really but after bringing in a team of producers directors they put together this choreographed performance that's ready to go they have to get housing for all the performers they have to feed the horses insurance a parking lot administrative work hr they got to spend over 20 million dollars on this project but once they launch in november they have this whole plan november and december they're gonna have 45 shows in two months the launch party the most important night for everybody the launch party is what sets the tone for the rest of the performances.
40:39If I go to a launch party, I'm expecting it to be the vision, the essence of the entire company's mission in one night of good food and hopefully a free drink or two because networking is incredibly awkward. Tatiana, I don't know what's happening here. She's holding a belt in one hand. The rest of the belt is tied around her husband Mark's neck and she's leading him around like a dog. I don't even think you lead a horse around like that. So I didn't understand the marketing vision but the whole launch party she's just like walking him around like a dog okay so he's supposed to be like a horse that she's like walking around is that what it is i don't even think they thought that far i don't even think it's cohesive marketing i think that's just what they're into and everyone was just confused by what's going on okay and there are just full forums uh about lessons that you are not prepared for until you start your own business and then you just kind of learn it the shitty way.
41:33Like the cheapest client is the most expensive client. I don't know what that means, but a lot of business owners were sounding off in the comments like, exactly. The cheapest client? Is the most expensive client. Ah, that makes sense. I guess your cheapest client is going to cost you the most money or whatever, right? But when you start a business with horses, probably the biggest alarming red flag you'll learn as a business owner is when the horses start going missing. Something is very wrong. One producer of the show, Valatar, let's call her Emma, she invested over$25 ,000 of her own money into Valatar.
42:07She moved here with her horses. And after two performances, Valatar had two performances, opening night and the second performance. There's just a lot that could have been done better. They gather all the performers, producers, directors, all the staff in the massive tent, maybe not the horses. And I imagine there's this very uplifting, motivating, but realistic conversation of like, let's take a few days off. Let's get some rest. Let's recoup. We did good, but we can do better. You know, let's think about all the ways that we can fix these little things You know, we had one customer who said this another person did this Obviously, this was a big massive failure because we had a line of complaints like this The shows themselves weren't necessarily horrendous, but the turnout was a lot slower than expected way slower A lot of empty seats.
42:50I mean it just made an uncomfortable opening night But also there were just awkward moments in the show they can fix nevertheless Nevertheless, everybody gets a few days off except Emma. She comes back because she's got to feed the horses. The horses don't know what an off day is. They need to eat. And when she goes to the stables, a good chunk of the horses are gone. They're missing. And they're all the Remley couple's personal horses. It's weird, but Tatiana is always doing weird things. Emma doesn't even think anything of it. She leaves and then comes back that night to check up on the horses again.
43:18And pretty much all the Remley horses are gone. And so she's asking around. and one of the other staffers who's not really part of the performance, but maybe more so keeping the grounds, they're like, oh yeah, the Remley said something about how they were going to do a photo shoot. So they took all the horses for the photo shoot. Emma checks in the back. They didn't just take the horses. They took their harnesses, their tacks. The cabinets were filled with medicine for the horses. All gone. Emma starts freaking out. She tries to calling the Remleys to figure out what's going on if they know that their horses are missing.
43:47And when she gets a response, it's very cold as if they didn't just spend the past few months of their lives completely intertwined trying to plan this entirely new horse show she gets a response the show is being canceled due to poor ticket sales this is after 20 million dollar invested yes that is bizarre that's just it the rumleys don't come back they take their horses they leave everybody everybody else's horses the giant red circus tent they just leave 26 horses 21 performers five kids one dog and one cat completely stranded nobody was paid nobody has money to transport themselves, let alone a horse, safely back to their home.
44:27Nobody even has money to feed the horses because that was supposed to be included. Everyone, for a lack of better words, they were just left to starve. So what the hell went wrong? A competitive horse rider who was brought in to help direct the show says, yeah, well, the Remleys had no idea what they were doing about anything, which is pretty accurate. Cavalia, the experienced horse show, just 23 miles away. Why would anyone go to Valatar. But even though they have no clue what they're doing, the director says it quickly became the Mark and Tatiana show, except neither of them are horse people and neither of them are show people.
45:00So what are we doing? They have no clue what they're doing. And that is going to lead them to leave a huge group of people and the rest of the San Diego community who now has to pick up and they're all volunteering to try and feed the horses and get everybody back home because Del Mar, California is a pretty tight-knit community. They are angry at the Remleys and they want the Remleys to pay their dues, which ultimately ends with a decapitated horse statue head ending up in the Remle family bed. And when they have that many enemies, it's really hard to say who's after Mark and Tatiana. So with that being said, that is going to be part one of the audio podcast for the Mark Remle and Tatiana Remle case.
45:40Let me know in the comments what are your thoughts and I will see you very soon for part two.
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The owners of the horse show, Valitar, are a wealthy, conventionally attractive couple called the Remley’s.
Mark Remley is a little bit older. Perhaps nerdy, but the type of guy to get into peak shape later in life.
Tatyana Remley is his wife with bottle blonde hair and a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model body. She’s also the main star of the Valitar horse show.
The Remley’s invested over $20 million dollars into the show, just to lose every single penny of it after multiple scandals back to back.
Allegedly, horses were abandoned with nothing to eat and massive creative differences led to performers quitting. Former staff members would come out to allege that Tatyana Remley doesn’t even know how to ride a horse that well…
Later, the couple is featured on TV as a well known swinger’s couple, a pillar in the local sex-swinging community. That’s just a side quest though; the most scandalous thing that happened at Valitar was the decapitated horse head on the Remley’s marital bed.
Thankfully, it’s not an actual butchered horse head. It’s just a hunk from one of their very expensive statues in their $5.5 million dollar home near San Diego, California.
And it’s clearly not been placed there as a mistake. This is a targeted threat. And by the end of the investigation, one of the Remleys, the founders of the failed multi-million dollar Valitar horse show, will be dead.
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