How A Cheating Site Exposed The Evil “Perfect Son” From TLC’s 19 Kids & Counting Duggar Family

0:00Netflix has done it again. Unknown number, the crash, and now the new must-see documentary maternal instinct tells the story of taylor parker while claiming to come from a wealthy family she fell for wade griffin a hog trapper in a small texas town their relationship appeared perfect complete with a pregnancy that she shared all over her social media but doubts around her pregnancy grew and when the truth finally surfaced it brought horrifying consequences meet taylor parker the youngest woman on death row and the town that knew she was lying but did nothing to stop her. Watch Maternal Instinct June 12th only on Netflix.

0:36Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like showing up for movie night ready for a heart-pounding thriller but getting a three-hour documentary on lawn care. That's kind of like insurance. Insurance may all seem the same on the surface but when it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal. You wouldn't settle for a snooze fest when you came for a thrill ride so don't settle for just any insurance when they're State Farm. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. They have eyes everywhere. For every 45 seconds that you use your phone, there is a secret screenshot that is being taken of whatever your phone is looking at.

1:15That screenshot is then used to compile a report and it sends it directly to somebody that you know. It screenshots literally everything, your messages, your email passwords, your Amazon purchases, articles that you're reading, whose profile you're viewing on Instagram, the things that you do on incognito mode, it is screenshotting your phone at least once a minute. And it's not like it's every minute so you can time it. If it just took a screenshot, which you wouldn't really know, but if it did, theoretically you have a minute to do something on your phone that is completely private before another screenshot is taken.

1:47But it's not like that. It's just completely random. It's sporadic. I mean, it sounds like something Palantir would do or some shady defense contractor that works for the NSA, but it's just an app that you can download on your phone. A public software that anyone can willingly install on their phone and their devices and there is a company making tens of millions of dollars in revenue every single year because people want a screenshot of their phone taken every minute. It's the Covenant Eyes. It's a software that you install on all your devices that monitors and makes sure that you do not watch any explicit videos where adults do adult things.

2:26And in the event that you do, the software will take a screenshot of your phone, whatever page and video you're on, and send it in a weekly email to your wife, husband, church leader, boss, accountability partner, whoever they might be. It's a spying, like spying on the phone? They call it not spyware, shameware. Okay. Do people know when they are being, like someone installed it? Uh-huh. They willingly install it. Oh, okay. So it's not a secret. No. Okay. You willingly do it. One Redditor breaks down the covenant eyes like this. This is from a few years ago. So there could have been a bunch of software updates, but there are three main services it has.

3:08Screen accountability, website blocker, and safe search. Screen accountability being the most important. Quote, it's their patented software that will periodically take screenshots of your screen. AI then will analyze it, and then it blurs all of the screenshots slightly, and then you and your accountability partner get a weekly report with some of these screenshots and if you didn't look at x-rated videos then the report will just say you didn't look at x-rated videos. It encourages you to look at their screenshots for anything that they might have missed and if you did look at x-rated videos it will attach those specific screenshots and it will report to your partner that you tried to look at x-rated videos.

3:45The website blocker will block any website that is mature so you can set it to like teen, teen mature, adult mature and teen mature, I believe even Reddit is hard to get on. Interesting. Safe search will make sure no explicit content comes up on any search engine and all of this data gets sent to your partner. If you want to uninstall Covenant Eyes, you have to call a number and once you call them and confirm you want to uninstall, they give you a code. Your accountability partner will receive a notification saying you did this. There are over 1.7 million users that have been watched by the Covenant Eyes, including House Speaker Mike Johnson who back in 2008 he had some very interesting views.

4:25He says that the fall of the Roman Empire okay, we know Mike Johnson we think he's crazy, okay? He said the fall of the Roman Empire had to do in part due to rampant homosexual behavior. Mike Johnson has also previously stated that being gay is quote inherently unnatural and a dangerous lifestyle as well as quote ultimately harmful and costly for everyone. Why is it costly for you Mike Johnson unless you're involved, okay? He also weirdly kind of thinks that if we just like gay people get married, what's next? Someone's going to marry their dog? That's literally what he said. It totally makes a lot of sense if you're a homophobe with a hole in your brain.

5:02But in 2022, he spoke publicly about how he and his then 17-year-old son were both on covenant eyes and they were each other's accountability partners. They would monitor each other's weekly X-rated video intake. Wait, so it not only takes screenshot of the video, it takes screenshot of everything, correct? Yes. So it's like your bank account, your private data, they have all of that. Yeah, I know exactly where you're going with this. When he said this in 2022, everyone said, now wait a fucking minute. Is that not a safety hazard to the United States of America? Yeah, but he never addressed it.

5:41He just said, Covenant Eyes is the software we've been using for a long time in our household. It scans all the activity on your phone or your devices your laptop tablet What have you we do all of it and then it sends a report to your accountability partner So my accountability partner right now is jack my son He's 17 So he and I get a report of all the things that are on our devices once a week if anything Objectionable comes up your accountability partner gets an immediate notice. I'm proud to tell you my son has got a clean slate Yeah, okay Okay, perhaps he no longer uses it because he is a sitting member of Congress.

6:15I don't know, but it's just alarming. But what happens when you have covenant eyes and the content being viewed is not on a legal X-rated website? What if the content being viewed is not even legal and is just one of the most morally bankrupt, ethically bankrupt things that you can do on an electronic device that involves crimes against children? If there is CSAM, does it send an alert? Who gets alerted for that? Because that is what reality TV star Joshua Duggar gets arrested for. This is the case of the Duggars and the three arrests of Josh Duggar and more recently, Joseph and Kendra Duggar and all of the potential crimes in between.

7:22We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support NECMEC, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They are the nation's largest and most influential child protection organization. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team. We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. as always full show notes are available at rottenminglepodcast.com a few intense disclaimers including religious trauma grooming incest c-sam csa please watch with caution this is going to be a multi-episode series so please take breaks whenever you feel overwhelmed all the information is also publicly available any netizen comments speculations theories or allegations or opinions of netizens legally a lot of people are innocent until proven guilty of course except for the legally confirmed convictions that we're going to get into and lastly a lot of statements and quotes, maybe condensed for brevity.

8:08This is just going to be a massive deep dive. So let's get started. And another thing to note, this is not a take on religion. This is not me sending my ideological beliefs into the ether and hoping that you latch onto it. This is just a breakdown of the Duggar family and their beliefs. And if you're listening to the audio podcast before the video comes out, I have a whole wall of the cast of characters that's behind me of every single Duggar family because there are over 20 members of the family and then there's spouses that get entwined into the family and then they all have like 50 trillion children and you'll see why because they don't believe in.

8:45Anyway, we're going to get there when we get there, but there's a lot of faces on the wall behind me. Please refer to the video version of this podcast if you just want to clear a picture. If you want to know who the Duggars are, all of their first names start with a J. So all the J's, Josh, Jana, John David, like these are all the Duggars. Even when it doesn't make sense, they really stuck to the theme of naming everyone with a J. And so one, two, three, four, this is the order of the siblings. There's 19 siblings in total, 19 children birthed by one woman, Michelle Duggar and her husband, Jim Bob.

9:19Some people call him Jim Boob. Some people call him Boob. Some people call him Rimjob. It just matters on how much you dislike this character. What? Yeah. And so all of the Duggars, the original Duggars, they've got a J in their name. And then a lot of them, they get married very early on. Like when they're 18, 19, 20, they get married to the first person that they start dating. Their first kiss is usually at the altar. We'll get in there. But they are the people right next to the Duggar family. So the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, that's their birth order, basically. And then all the people next to them are their spouses.

9:51And then this little number in between is how many children that they currently have. and people netizens love to track the number of dugger grandchildren it's like a thing we're gonna get into there yeah but first noel biderman is worth 40 million dollars at least that's what the estimate was at the time and noel on the board noel is not but noel biderman is about to have a really shitty day which noel sometimes leans into he has been known to be the most hated man on the internet. Who said that? He said that. He said it's all self-proclaimed. You're on the internet. You most likely have never even heard of Noel Biderman.

10:28So like, why does he think that everybody hates him? July 12th, 2015, employees of a media company called Avid Life Media run by Noel Biderman. They walk into their Toronto office. This is like a corporate office. They open up their work laptops and almost in unison, the ACDC rock song Thunderstruck starts blasting on every single fucking computer. It's like when you're listening to something, you don't pause it, you just close your laptop screen so that the next time you open it back up, it automatically starts playing. What's ACDC rock song? It's like a rock band. They're goats, but they just like scream and it's a very particular style of music.

11:05It's good. It's good. Okay, so it's just a crazy rock song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they're famous, but what are the odds that every single employee at the office last night was listening to ACDC's Thunderstruck on the highest volume and then closed their laptop and then opened it up at 9 a.m. in unison for it to be blasting again. Very unlikely. All of them are trying to turn off their sound, mute their computers, and then a message pops up. We are the impact team. We have taken over all systems in your entire office and production domains. All customer databases, source code, repositories, financial records, emails.

11:42Shut down AM and EM. It will cost you, but non-compliance will cost you more we will release all customer records which am and em if that were a grocery store or even like a frozen yogurt chain that would be disastrous customer database just released to the public but it's even worse because am i'm sorry am is ashley madison and em is established men these are dating websites oh for cheaters oh and a data hack and leak from either website is going to ruin millions of people's lives. And that's not even me speaking hyperbolically. Ashley Madison was run on the slogan, life is short, have an affair.

12:26So it's not just a dating website. It's a dating website where people go to cheat on their spouses. They launched in 40 countries. They had more than 37 million users. And the threat message continues. We will release all customer records, profiles with the customer's secret sexual fantasies, nude pictures and conversations and matching credit card transactions, real names and addresses, documents and emails, avid life media will be liable for fraud and extreme harm to millions of users. This is a big deal. Now, side note, Ashley Madison would even charge people extra money for, quote, full delete of their profiles.

13:01Because when you run an affair website, sometimes you're like, you know what, I got to delete and make sure there's no traces left of me being here. They had a$19 full delete. I mean, pretty economical if you ask me to hide an affair. And they were making$1.7 million in one fiscal year just off of this extra add-on of being able to fully delete your profile. I feel like they could have 10x that and make 10x the money. Exactly. People will pay. But here's the point of fraud. Nothing was ever really deleted. And the Impact team is saying, I'm going to release it all. Even the former vice president of sales at the company would later say...

13:38Wait, I'm sorry. This is the company who owns Ashley Madison? Avid Life Media owns Ashley Madison, Establishment, and a ton of other weird websites. So they just got hacked. And they're getting a threat message like, we're going to expose you for fraud. You're going to be liable for fraud. Because not only are we going to hack and leak all of the customer databases, they're going to know that you're not even deleting any of this information.

14:04Many of us have tried learning another language before. but when it's time to actually use those skills, we realize knowing a few words is not the same as real conversation. Rosetta Stone's Sapphire is a major new release in language learning, combining Rosetta Stone's trusted immersion method with the latest innovations in education technology to help you go from knowing phrases to speaking confidently about the topics you care about. Mandarin has been a lifelong goal of mine, and a part of that is just learning how to play Mahjong. You have to call out each tile when you put it down, and I'm trying to play with my mother-in-law.

14:34It's really difficult, so Rosetta Stone is where I fall back on. Especially with their new Sapphire studio, I can specify exactly what I want to learn, whether it's Mahjong characters or traveling and need-to-knows. Rosetta Stone Sapphire will create a resource that suits your needs. If you want to take your language skills to the next level, don't wait to try Rosetta Stone Sapphire. Rotten Mingle listeners can get 20 % off their Rosetta Stone Sapphire subscription when they sign up today. You'll get unlimited access to all 25 Rosetta Stone languages, plus all the new Sapphire learning tools. Visit RosettaStone.com slash rotten to redeem your 20 % off.

15:07That's RosettaStone.com slash rotten and start learning a language for real. Mint Mobile plans are only$15 per month. Wondering what's the catch? There isn't one. There are no gimmicks and no gotchas, just unlimited talk, text, and data, fast, reliable coverage on the nation's largest 5G network and an award-winning care team. That makes Mint Mobile a catch. When I switched to Mint, I was able to keep my same cell phone number, keep my physical phone. My data was moved for me in an easy at-home transfer. Literally nothing changed except for the fact that I was saving money each bill cycle. No need to mass text everyone in my contacts that I was getting a new phone number.

15:43No need to memorize 10 new digits. To get your new wireless plan for just$15 a month, go to mintmobile.com slash rotten. That's mintmobile.com slash rotten. Cut your wireless bill to$15 a month at mintmobile.com slash rotten. That's it. There's no catch. $45 upfront payment required equivalent to$15 a month. New customers on first three-month plan only. Speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Additional taxes, fees, and restrictions apply. See Mint Mobile for details. Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like showing up for movie night ready for a heart-pounding thriller but getting a three-hour documentary on lawn care.

16:16That's kind of like insurance. Insurance may all seem the same on the surface, but when it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal. You wouldn't settle for a snooze fest when you came for a thrill ride. So don't settle for just any insurance when there's State Farm. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

16:39The promise of security, anonymity, and safety was just something we said. It wasn't something we did. This is the former vice president of sales. Now, just overall, the way that Ashley Madison, the entire company, Avid Life Media, was run, their operational practices were clearly less than great. Noel Biderman, the guy who ran Avid Life Media, he has stated that data into infidelity can help us make better choices that was like the platform he was on he was like no i know i'm sleazy i run an affair website and i make millions of dollars off of it but hold on hold on this is really good data that we can latch on to and we can make people have better marriages we can help women make better choices he says the day after valentine's day it's a real real slippery slope for when people have affairs so maybe the day before you want to step up and play differently let's take this data and make it more consumable and give people a better roadmap to navigate at least the infidelity components of marriage wait what does valentine's day have what is he trying to say he's saying lots of people get up on ashley madison after the day after valentine's day they're signing up they're paying extra money for fees they're messaging people and he's saying it's because probably during valentine's day you didn't get what you wanted so he's saying now what can we do with this data probably women listen up you guys should be hotter for valentine that's the vibe he's giving and the busiest day for affairs is monday and they like to say it's because the expectations of the weekend were not met so maybe up it on the weekends weirdly putting blame on the partners that are being cheated on rather than the cheating partners but like what do you expect from the person who runs ashley Madison.

18:19Noel Biderman has just been known for saying some very weird, questionable, depressing things. He was asked by USA Today, you have made the argument that monogamy is a failed experiment and infidelity is the way of the future. How can you say cheating helps a marriage? Infidelity has always been amongst us. It just happened to be the dominion of men for the most part. What I hear from the women in particular on my site and even the men is, I love my partner. I cherish my kids. I can't stand what doesn't happen in the bedroom. Most people are not willing to give it all up for a one night stand of an encounter.

18:55What I'm saying is majority of people having affairs are looking to preserve their marriage, not leave it. People pursue affairs because they don't want to leave their marriage. They want to have their cake and eat it too. I acknowledge that. I'm not suggesting it helps the dynamic between the two individuals, but it might help them stay within the institution of marriage. Also, in the event that this information is not sadding enough, he says, One of the more important groupings we have found on Ashley Madison is the first time affair seeker. Three to four years into a marriage, typically, and there's a real correlation factor with pregnancy.

19:31Essentially, men start cheating on their wives because she is pregnant and exhausted from creating a human life, and then continue to cheat on their wives now because the wives are now exhausted from single-handedly caring for and raising that life that she just birthed out of her body. Don't you love data? and Noelle Biderman ran a website that clearly exploited such data by encouraging mostly men to have affairs. Now, side note, Noelle Biderman, I will say he did have access to some weird information that I don't know how accurate it is. I don't know if any of the conclusions coming from said data is important to anything.

20:02I'm not entirely sure. He just like dropped random nuggets of statistics here and there and I'm just going to drop it for you. It turns out that at least among our users, that's what he says, it seems to be the more women they are in a family. So the more daughters they have or the more sisters a man has, the more unfaithfulness there is. They also study cheating astrological signs. Their finding is Pisces men and Gemini women are the least faithful on their website. And ultimately, Noelle says, but is it really my fault? Yeah, I am the most hated man on the internet, but if I shut down Ashley Madison tomorrow, do you intellectually, genuinely believe that a single affair will not take place you're shooting the messenger this is societal life so what happened with the whole hacking leaking situation from the monday yeah so they they get that you know leak they're like we've got all your customer databases we're about to leak it shut down ashley madison and shut down established men and um they don't they don't so then it gets leaked.

21:03It gets leaked and it's an implosion. Where in someone on this board is involved in this leak. Okay. Now, but because everything must come back to this as always, Noel Biderman was in the Epstein files. He was being introduced by a third party who emails Jeffrey Epstein and Noel writing, hi, Jeffrey. I hope all is well. I want to introduce you to Noel Biderman, who was the CEO of Ashley Madison and is now experiencing some of the downsides of their scandal. I was hoping that when Noelle is next in New York that the two of you could meet and maybe you could help them think about life after a scandal.

21:37And in general, I hope all is well. Irrationally yours, Dan. Irrational, indeed. Fucking Dan, okay? But why was Avid Life Media targeted by this impact team of anonymous hackers? Wait, wait, wait. Why is Noelle trying to get connected with Epstein? Yeah, we don't know. It doesn't seem like they met. There's like a few back and forth emails that I could find. I mean, there's no definitive response of if they did meet or did not meet, but there's no confirmative email of like, hey, so nice to meet you. But why was Avid Life Media targeted by this anonymous hacking team? Is it just a bunch of scorned spouses who hate infidelity with a fire burning passion and want to get rid of any safe space for the offenders and also have hacking experience?

22:21Valid reason enough, but there is a lot more to it. Avid Life media. Let's start with Ashley Madison. That's like their bread and butter. This is their staple website. This is where they make the most money. This is the website that helps cheaters have discreet affairs. It's free for women to sign up, like most clubs, and it's predominantly aimed at straight people. But they also have Established Men, the other website targeted by the hackers. It's essentially a sugar daddy website, supposedly to connect older wealthy men with young women, both wanting quote-unquote mutually beneficial arrangements.

22:55With it basically advertising, female members are young and beautiful and mostly in their 20s and 30s. These women are looking for older and richer male partners, men who can afford to give them expensive gifts and monetary support. Then you have the counterpart of that, which was Cougar Life. Older women with younger men, which they called Cougars and Cubs. They had Arrangement Finders, another Sugar Daddy website, but more emphasis on direct and explicit transactional nature of it. Broke College Girls, self-explanatory. They also had like a few smaller niche websites. But these are not just morally bankrupt sites.

23:32It's been reported that Avid Life Media employees would actively recruit escorts to join their sites like Arrangement Finders. And they had emails internally where they were discussing how they were going to grab foreign young women, smuggle them into the U.S., bypassing immigration to sign them up for these websites. which would very loosely, could very loosely be defined as human trafficking, sex trafficking. International. Yeah. I'm not saying that they did this, but I'm just saying they were coming up with ways of like, well, how would we lie to immigration authorities about it? Which I feel like you're already trying to commit the crime.

24:05But this threat that shows up on the employees' computers reads, Avid Life Media runs Ashley Madison, the internet's number one cheating site for people who are married or in a relationship to have an affair. ALM also runs Established Men, a prostitution human trafficking website for rich men to pay for sex. Trevor, ALM's CTO, chief technology officer, once said, protection of personal information was his biggest critical success factor. And quote, I would hate to see our systems hacked and the leak of personal information. Well, Trevor, welcome to your worst fucking nightmare. We are the impact team.

24:43So they threatened Avid Life Media, shut it down or we're leaking everything. They don't shut it down and they leak everything. And this is back in 2015. You had random housewives going on looking for their husband's email addresses. You had journalists going in, typing in every.gov email address, typing in all the celebrities' email addresses. It was an implosion of shit. The damage was done. profiles, billing information, addresses, full government names, messages are all exposed to the public. And the expose aspect is multifaceted with this one. Like you obviously have the cheaters being exposed, but you also have Ashley Madison being exposed and not just for their god awful security measures that a five-year-old could probably vibe code these days.

25:28One of the main things being exposed was the fact that Ashley Madison created more than 70 ,000 female bots. They had bots. And these bots were supposed to contact men, basically tricking men that they were talking to a woman who wanted to sleep with them. But they were just talking to a line of code. That makes sense. Yeah, because what woman is signing up for this website? If a woman wants to have an affair, she could probably just go to the grocery store. In the US alone, there were 19 million profiles and 16 million of them were men. So who the hell are they talking to? It's not a local woman in their area who's hot and horny, okay?