I Saw Luigi Mangione In Court & This Is EVERYTHING That Happened

35:54And then as for Pam Bondi saying that the victim was a CEO and that warrants that is one of the factors of why there should be capital punishment, the filing reads, the attorney general stated during her television appearance that a reason she ordered the death penalty sentence was because the alleged victim was a CEO. Counsel is aware of no provision in the death penalty statute or in the department of justice's death penalty protocol that allows for consideration of the social economic or professional status of an alleged homicide victim in determining whether to seek the death penalty the drama the drama right the prosecutors are arguing this is like the whole thing with the backpack search the fourth amendment rights at the mcdonald's which i do feel like fourth amendment rights are just like the first rights that every single attorney has to argue in any sort of criminal case, which is like, you weren't supposed to search any of my belongings.

36:48Now, the number one problem is the prosecutors are saying that when the Altoona police arrived, they already had his fake ID. So he'd already given his fake ID. So at that point, technically, like they're allowed to search his stuff, right? But this is the defense. The fact that they believed that Mr. Mangione was the person wanted for murder does not change the analysis nor provide the necessary exigency to overcome this fatal police error. First, the shooting happened five days earlier and the police had no reason to believe that the alleged shooter was still armed. Second, even if the police had reason to believe he may be armed, any exigency disappeared after patrolman Detweiler frisked Mr.

37:28Mangione for weapons, moved the bag six feet away, and had armed officers strategically placed between Mr. Mangione and the backpack. The exigency was certainly removed once Mr. Mangione was handcuffed and surrounded by officers, which they continue on the next page, they say while patrolman Wasser claimed that she was searching the backpack to make sure there was no bomb inside, this excuse did not reflect any legitimate exigency. First, nothing about the alleged shooting in New York where law enforcement's interactions with Mr. Mangione in the McDonald's provided a reasonable basis to believe that there was a bomb in the backpack.

37:59Second, the patrolwoman did not make this claim until after she had already been searching through the backpack and after she recovered a loaded magazine. Tellingly, she stopped searching the backpack at the McDonald's once she recovered the loaded magazine. If one were legitimately concerned about a bomb, one would have either continued searching right then and there or cleared the McDonald's and have called in and waited for the bomb squad to arrive before searching the bag, neither of which occurred. Certainly, one would not have continued searching the bag in a McDonald's filled with officers, employees, and customers, or put the bag in their car to transport the potential bomb to the precinct.

38:37They're going off. I don't know if any of it's going to work, but they're saying it all. This is not the first time a prosecutor's office has tried to fit the square peg of murder into the round hole of terrorism. Yeah. Oh, this is also interesting though. The people stated reason for not turning over discovery and for at some unknown future time seeking a protective order is that Mr. Mangione is somehow responsible for quote harassment, backlash and death threats to certain people. So they're saying there's no evidence of that but on December 9th 2024 when he was arrested among the first words out of Mr.

39:15Mangione's mouth was an apology and a concern for the very McDonald's employee who they are saying now is receiving threats. Quoting from their notice quote, I apologize for the inconvenience of the day. Followed by, they aren't going to put the cashier from McDonald's information out there, are they? It wouldn't be good for her. A lot of people will be upset I was arrested. Wow. This is the very opposite of someone who is seeking to terrorize anyone or wishing harm or violence to anyone, is what they're saying. Also, like, there was a whole thing because they found, um, notes in his socks. What exactly happened there?

39:53Yeah, the defense. They put notes in the socks. Well, like there was notes in his socks. Who put it in there? The note was written by the Free Luigi Reddit thread. But we don't know who put it in the socks. How did they get into his socks? I don't know, but it was like a heart-shaped pink letter. And it was like a letter of support. I have no idea how it got in their sock. And when was it in his sock? When he was arrested? No, like when he had to change for a court hearing. Someone slipped it into his sock. Yeah, or like it could have been like an honest mistake. It's... So this is the part where she's saying like, the journal that they're calling his manifesto, we have never been provided copies.

40:34They had actors playing Luigi on television. It doesn't sound anything like him anyway. So they're talking about the HBO thing. This week on HBO, in a documentary, I see the chief of detectives and the New York City mayor, full hair and makeup done, sitting down and giving an interview for television and talking about the evidence in Luigi's case, talking about police paperwork that we don't have, talking about forensics that we have not yet received. I guess we have now today, but I didn't when I was sitting there learning about the case, hearing an actor play Luigi, reading from a journal that they say is Luigi's, and we have yet to receive it from the prosecution.

41:19Yeah, because the New York City mayor and NYPD, they sat down with HBO and she was like, Eric Adams be going through hair and makeup. Oh. Yes. Yes, I've seen that. Yeah. This guy showed up last time. Yes. They say he's a conservative activist, so is this just like the calm before the storm? Because everyone on our team that's there right now at the courthouse at T-minus like 12 hours, they're saying it's fine. It's chill.

42:28We are back from the hearing. I will say, before going to the hearing, we spoke with PopNYC, which I encourage you guys to go follow them on Instagram, as well as Renegade for Justice. They've been organizing a lot of the protests outside. they're mainly focused on the goals of reforming healthcare. These are activists who spend really any ounce of free time that they have outside of full-time jobs to try and make a change so that you and I can probably live in a better world. And I think right now is a very critical time to join them, support them, see how we can be helpful. But before even going to the hearing, we spoke with a lot of different people from lots of different organizations who were involved in trying to spread messages and organizing protests.

43:13And there have been lots of conversations because it doesn't really take a very astute person to realize that mainstream media coverage on this case has been very interesting. And I thought maybe I live in a bubble because I don't know if it's I'm just chronically online and I'm just always on TikTok. And I'm like, well, I've seen good coverage about this case. I mean, more often than not, mainstream media has bizarre coverage about the case or they're maybe focused on the wrong things. But I have seen lots of coverage on the case. I did not realize how hostile it was going to be until we got to the hearing.

43:46And I don't even think when I got out of the hearing, I could even process the thoughts correctly. So I'm just going to describe to you some of the parts that I've noticed that really stuck out to me. The press line and the public line outside of the courthouse, unlike previous trial that we've been to, it was divided already into two separate lines. And you could immediately tell that it was two separate lines. I mean, lots of people on the public side were dressed in organized t-shirts like it seemed like everybody was on the same page it was really well organized on the press side everybody was dressed more like members of the press would normally dress and for the hearing they allowed a good chunk of the press in the courtroom was much larger than the federal courtrooms that i've seen so instead of just like a few rows of press there were i think closer to 10 rows of press oh wow and i maybe only spoke to a handful of independent reporters there.

44:40Almost everyone in the rows of, I want to say, like, if I had to take a guesstimate and don't hold me to this, I want to say at least eight to nine press pews were just legacy media. And they were on the reserve list. So this is in New York State, you get on this reserve list and most of it is legacy media. And I know this because I was, we stood in line for 48 hours. Well, not we physically, but like the Rotten Mango team, like we had organized this. so like people we could interchange and it was a mess. But we were there for 48 hours before the hearing so that we could secure the first few spots because those are always like the best time to get in and see what's going on.

45:20They have a reserve list. So before anybody who waits first come first serve, they will go through the reserve list. So if a reporter from a legacy media who's on that reserve list shows up five minutes before the hearing, they get to cut the line and they get priority. They have a whole list and they check. So I'm in the beginning of the line. So every time someone comes up, that list is gone through and they're like, okay, what media are you with? And it was just all legacy media. I mean, I saw a lot of people that I remember from the last trial and lots of friendly faces, lots of reporters that I really enjoy spending time with and I respect.

45:56And they're such kind people and they're compassionate and they're here to do a job, but also some really insane people. I will say even that reserve list was a little strange. It was a little strange because if you know anything about the Luigi Mangione case or the People v. Luigi Mangione case because he has three different pending trials, there has been a very vocal complaint by people of wanting independent journalists to have access. And I'm not saying I'm an independent journalist. I'm literally just a girl online. So just people who are not part of legacy media who have to go with certain messages anytime they report on the news or like filter through certain checkpoints.

46:35A lot of people wanted independent journalists in there and for that to have this very long lengthy reserve list of legacy media that are allowed priority I thought was very interesting especially in regards to this specific case. But regardless lots of press were allowed in which is always a good sign. Only two rows of public were allowed in and from the moment that we got to the courthouse the morning to get in, there was a clash between the press and the public. It felt very strange. There was heavy, heavy NYPD presence. There were two cops walking past me and I guess they were trying to understand why the public line was so long and one of the cops just turns to the other and says, he's a good looking guy.

47:17And they just like walk away, which is fair, but that's like the most normal comment of the day. So I'm standing in line with a lot of members of the press and I felt like I felt confused so the Rotten Mango team and I were thinking about it and we were like this is very strange so most of the press I think they handled themselves very professionally and they were just like normal people doing their jobs and there were incredible reporters there incredible journalists there and like we were lucky to be in their presence but at the same time there were certain members of the press where it just felt like they showed a lot more grace to the defendant Sean Combs than the defendant Luigi Mangione and I feel like across the board it should be like the same level most of the time right and maybe it has to do with the fact that Luigi Mangione is charged with murder and Sean Combs was charged with trafficking and RICO charges and those he was acquitted of but at the time when that trial was happening in real time we did not know that he was going to be acquitted there was video evidence of him you know harming Cassie in the hallways there was domestic violence that was caught on CCTV camera.

48:23And so there were all of these different elements. Just as the Mangione case, there's all these different elements. But it was interesting to see how people showed a lot more grace and benefit of the doubt and presumption of innocence for Sean Combs than they did for Luigi Mangione, which I thought was interesting because there's actually a lot more hard concrete evidence against Sean Combs at the time. I mean, that CCTV video was everywhere of him committing a violent act with his face in full view. Whereas, you know, the Luigi Mangione CCTV outside the Hilton Hotel, some people argue, you can't really see his face.

48:58So that will all be discussed in the trial. That's what people are saying. So I thought it was very interesting that they showed a lot more grace to Sean Combs. And then when they get here for the Luigi case, there was just a lot of crazy words, a lot of crazy comments, just like being thrown about, which was fascinating. I think one interesting thought that I had was we were talking to organizers of the protest before we even got to the hearing. The way that they are so committed to trying to change different policies in the United States to make sure that everyone has access to health care and quite literally just like save people's lives.

49:37That's all they talk about. That's their message. I don't know how they even stay so resilient amongst everything that's going on. But then the way that they get there and all the mainstream media reporters are like, hey, get the girl that says she's dating AI Luigi and we're just going to put her on every platform. I will say some media have been better at reporting about the protests and how people don't want capital punishment, how people want to reform health care. But the way like the influx of media was like, these people waited 30 hours to see Luigi Mangione. Aren't they crazy? And I was just thinking, it's also crazy because a lot of members of the press wait over 24 hours to get into high-profile cases.

50:22Yeah. So how are we different? It just felt weird to say, they're fangirls, but we're doing our job. It just was so strange. And yes, a lot of the people in the public line, they did wait 30 hours. And some of them had t-shirts that had Luigi's face on them or they had Luigi's Pizzeria t-shirts. And like, while I do think it's kind of, I don't know, some people might say inappropriate, I just thought that it was more in tune with maybe a younger person's, like it just felt very Gen Z humor. A lot of the reporters were just not running with it. They were actively out loud, vocally making fun of the people in public.

51:00And then they would walk over and try to interview the people in public line. And then they would walk back and say, I don't know why they don't want to talk to me. and I'm like oh um I could probably list you like five reasons just in the past two minutes of things you've said like I just it was very confusing and I also thought it just felt very hypocritical and I was kind of shocked by this once we got to the second line so that's like the main line outside the courthouse then we get funneled in we had to wait in the very cramped hallway so one side was reserved for the press everybody's like cramped to one side and then the other side is the very short line for public access.

51:37They let in even fewer people from the public side and I was just standing there and I'm just like I'm kind of eavesdropping and I hear the Agnifilos, the Luigi's defense team, they walk in. The elevator's kind of in front of us. We can't really see them. They walk into the courtroom and then we're going to be let into the courtroom later. So it's going to be the prosecutors walk in, the defense team walk in, press walk in, public walk-in and then luigi will be escorted in once the hallways are completely cleared of everyone except for the press pit the press pit is where there's like a little barricade rope barricade and the press cameras are set up everybody's live streaming like those are all the shots that you saw and we actually had someone we had someone from the rotten mango team in the press pit who also took a video but those are the press pits everyone that's not in there gets cleared out of the hallway luigi mangioni gets walked into the courtroom and then the judge comes in.

52:30So that's kind of the order of things. The defense team, they walk out of the elevator bay and now they're in the hallway walking towards the courtroom away from us. I mean, you're just waiting in the hallway for like an hour trying to get into the courtroom. Of course, when the defense team walks in, you want to get a good look. And these are high profile defense attorneys. These are people that have been in the public eye. I think it's interesting to even watch them in their element. They're very captivating to watch. And so I'm kind of like looking and And I hear a reporter from Legacy Media look over at the girls in public.

53:00And it was like predominantly, I think it was all girls. And she goes, look at them. Look at them craning their necks to get a view. And I was like, I mean, I'm also craning my neck to get a view. Like that seems like a very normal thing to do in this instance. Like we have nothing to do right now. We're just waiting to get in the courtroom. And these are high profile defense attorneys. Yeah, I think everyone wants to see them. So it's just very strange. And then there was, I overheard another discussion of people talking about, doesn't it smell like weed? I hear one reporter being like, doesn't it smell like weed?

53:33And I remember being like, do I have sinus problems? I don't smell weed. I smell weed outside the courthouse because it's the streets of New York City. You smell weed everywhere. But inside the courthouse, I smell zero weed. And the reporter next to them goes, it reeks of weed. It like reeks of marijuana. and they're like uh that could be a headline and i could be a headline what yeah probably luigi mangi-oni supporters wait 30 hours reek of weed and i'm just like again what is happening right now like the public have been nothing but so chill and actually they're like here yes to support the defendant and you can disagree with that all you want like totally you can absolutely objectively say that's against my morals that's everyone's own opinion okay but like it it was weird it's like that's not what they're doing that's not even what's happening i'm seeing this with my own two eyes that's not what's happening i'm confused i'm sniffing it with my own two nostrils that's not what's what's happening at all and then later even when we left the courthouse a lot of the coverage just made it seem like a lot of these people are crazy i will say maybe mainstream media was a little bit better this time around which is really good and maybe hopeful for the trial but they were showing some people protesting for health care but a lot of it still was on girls waited 30 hours girls waited 30 hours and i was like i don't know these girlies look like they have a cause like these girlies look like they're here for admission and like you could disagree you could agree but it wasn't it just did not align with what i witnessed yeah it did not align at all with what i witnessed even inside the courthouse because this is state court you are allowed to have your electronics as members of the press so you can bring in your phone federal court you cannot even bring in your phone you can bring in your phone you can actually work on your laptop in the press pews if you're a member of the press and you have your press badge on you cannot record you cannot film you cannot like be on the phone you actually can't have your phone out like you can have it in your bag you can only have your laptop out and I think it's because the laptop usually the camera is just towards you right and so that's the whole rules I feel like there were phones going off in the press pews meanwhile the public there was nothing they did not like nothing happened no phones are going off everybody was showing the most decorum in a courtroom and even when the officer first walks in before luigi walks in he's like no outburst and he's like mainly talking to the public side and i'm like i don't even think the no one wants to have an outburst like they seem like they're they seem like they're taking it serious than most of the press pews so I'm like okay I don't know maybe the last one there were outbursts I don't know but it just seems like they don't look like they're about to have an outburst and so they're just like on their best behavior and I thought it was kind of unfair that they get labeled as like crazy girls who wait 30 hours for Luigi and it's like okay well the press also wait like 30 hours to get into high profile cases and like they will fight to the death to like cut each other in line to get into these high profile cases so like technically we're all the same people like it's fine like we don't have to make fun of each other everyone's just here to either do their job or be here for a reason that maybe you don't understand but that's fine like you don't have to be so crazy about it and i will say like the public was really guarded with the press and i totally get it like i totally get why you say like literally nobody wants to talk to the press openly yeah and we were actually really lucky because we were like going in throughout the day um even the day previously before the hearing and during the night like we had members going in and out of the like not the courthouse but from the line and we were talking to people and we told them that we were with rotten mango and they seemed a little more open to talk but like i can totally see why a lot of people felt guarded and it just and i also noticed what was interesting is a lot of legacy media they're looking for the people in public that are dressed the craziest and those are the people that they want to talk to they don't want to talk to the protesters with very legitimate signs i thought the focus of every piece was so weird there was another reporter who's sitting next to me who was working on his article before the hearing started.

58:06And it was just talking about how there was one person outside the courthouse. And I think they had a sign. I think I took a picture of it that said something along the lines of, you know, protect Luigi Mangione before protecting parasites, something to do with the word parasites. And when you have protest signs, they're supposed to be highly emotionally charged that's kind of the purpose of it and they were just like really focused on the word parasite in connection with the victim brian thompson so it seemed like that was their whole piece of how these protesters are calling a murder victim a parasite and like i do understand how that can be shocking right but i think it's a small, it's like if you were to look at a giant puzzle and then just only focus on one piece.

58:59When it's like, I do think that maybe that one piece is not a great piece. We don't know, right? It's really subjective. But when you look at the whole puzzle, there's like a lot more going on. But it felt like that was the sole focus. So it seems like everybody was hyper focused on something. And it just felt very strange to witness it firsthand in real time where I was just so confused. A lot of the protesters were also giving out these stickers. They were giving out stickers. They were giving out pamphlets. And I think the stickers are like a thing people do at protests. It's a sticker. Like, enjoy your sticker.

59:34If you don't want a sticker, it's not a big deal. But a lot of the reporters are like making a big deal about the fact that they have stickers. And I'm like, do you also know that they have pamphlets that you could also get? So it just seemed like Like they were focused on one thing and like hyper focused on only one thing. It got to the point where I don't even think some members of the press I could even have conversations with about this case because it's like, I just feel like it's weird. Like this is so passionate of like so firmly one when you're technically supposed to go in. Yeah, you're a reporter.

1:00:12You're just reporting what's going on rather than having your own little. it's like I mean you go in there and like yeah I will admit there were there was a girl dressed up as Luigi and she was hitting the poses okay get an LED backpack on she came in early you know they were like she's hitting the poses and it's like is that the best thing to do I don't know I don't know right and it's it's fine to just see everything happening and then say these are all the things that happened but it seemed like they were very hyper focused on one very interesting storyline that they kept going with but regardless we're inside of the courtroom and it's a big courtroom I was very nervous because um lots of people had lots of things to say about this judge and just from the transcripts I read about this judge he seemed like a no business judge and we were just all waiting for Luigi Mangione to be walked in and it was um it was like an oddly high tense moment

1:01:18and the press pews all of us were craning our necks to get a view of luigi mangioni right and so everybody's craning their necks because that's what you do and the doors would open and And you actually hear his shackles before you see him. And I think that was a very interesting moment because it's like dead silent in the courtroom and you just hear his shackles. Wow. And then he turns the corner, walks into the courtroom. And I'm not really sure what I was expecting. I don't really think I was expecting anything, to be honest. I didn't really give it much thought. But I have seen, obviously, all the videos of him being escorted into courtrooms and the footage of him in courtrooms.

1:01:59and this time he was dressed in like a beige sand colored prison uniform and he had shackles around he had the handcuffs that were tied to his waist and you could hear the shackles on his ankles and when he walked in i don't know if they just used because we're all sitting down i don't know if they just picked the shortest court police officers but he was tall he was much taller and I know people are going to ask and I don't think it has much to do with the defendant's looks or anything but just because people are going to ask I'm going to answer the questions before they're asked a million times in the comments he was much taller than I expected like very tall to the point where I was like I want to ask Mark Agnifilo how tall he is because he was like even when he was standing next to the attorneys he was very tall so I'm like okay he's much taller than I expected but one thing was interesting was and okay this was my very beloved researcher who was sitting next to me and she said afterwards if i'm gonna be fully honest she's like i thought going into it luigi has almost become this persona like this person like this figure and so she thought going in there would be some element of underwhelmingness remember she was like saying you know because you see people talking about him and you see these videos and you're like okay i'm gonna go in and you're just gonna realize he's just another person and like maybe there's it's even underwhelming because you people have these big ideas and visions of what people look like in person like a lot of people said sean combs is gonna look very aura he's gonna have this insane aura like this big bigger than life personality and then he just looks kind of like an old man he looks very intense but still ultimately kind of like an old man and so she thought it was gonna be like that But she said that he is very tall.

1:03:48I mean, he is very built. He's very buff. It seems like he got a lot more built than his last court appearance. But he has a very strong energy to him. Like his posture is impeccable. I think his posture is... Yes. But it's also the way he carried himself. And it was interesting. If anything, I don't think he really looked at any of the pews. if anything he might have i don't think but he might have looked at the public pews but for the press pews he was very reserved did not look he just looked ahead went straight sat down and there were three police officers surrounding him on the back so nobody could really even see him throughout the hearing and this is the hearing where they dropped the terrorism charges the judge dropped the terrorism charges in New York state.

1:04:41These are the charges, along with the federal prosecutors seeking capital punishment, that people had the biggest problem with. Because it's one thing to either agree or disagree with Luigi Mangione. It's another thing to feel like he's not getting fair treatment in the law. Because a lot of, like I said, a lot of mass killers don't get terrorism charges. So it didn't make sense. It almost felt like people were prioritizing a corporate CEO. And so there was a lot of discourse about that. those charges got dropped so ultimately the most severe case that he is facing in new york state court is second degree murder which is like 15 to 25 years but he still has like all those weapons charges and i don't know if i mean it's a big win but he's still facing capital punishment in his federal case yeah which is yeah yeah it's everything that he's fighting for right i think the state cases they're very important but that federal case is probably the most important yeah and so the terrorism charges being dropped here is a big win but i i saw some people online made it seem like he's gonna get off i don't think that's the case i i think he has a very long uphill battle ahead of him especially with the federal case but the terrorism charges were dropped the energy in the courtroom because the press were allowed to have their laptops it was like a moment of pause and then just like everyone's typing away like live tweeting everything and then the public they're stoic they are on their best behavior they're like they got this on lockdown they're like we are not giving you a reason to write an article about us okay even though you guys already are writing articles about us we're gonna know it was crazy like it was on lockdown but then my researcher outside who was recording all of the protests outside she was texting and she was like everyone's cheering she's like texting into the group chat and she's like everybody's cheering that the terrorism charges are dropped so it's very different energies inside the courthouse outside the courtroom it was just fascinating and then um there were brief conversations about just dismissing the charges there were brief conversations about the HIPAA violations but none of that gets resolved and like I know there's this one picture of Luigi Mangione looking like what the hell is going on and people are like what did he hear to make him have that look.

1:07:01I think, because we can't see very clearly, I think it was the HIPAA violation. That was not dropped. Yes, like that was not even covered and settled. And I also think it's like the prosecutors being like, no, we're not going to drop the charges. Like, we're going to go. And then he gets walked out. I did notice something. As he's walking out, he did kind of raise his eyebrows at the press pews. Like once. Like it was just like one. Like one eyebrow raise. and it was just like given like, write about that bitch. But like in like a, it almost felt not that I agree. I don't even think that's what he's doing.

1:07:39You know, I misread everything in life. I don't think that's what he's doing. But if that is what he's doing, it felt almost justified because of everything I had sat through and listened to all morning of the way that people were talking about this case and the way people were talking about even the public. I mean, people had way more hateful things to say about this public section than they did about people who showed up to support Sean Combs, like fans of Sean Combs. And I thought that was interesting because with the Combs case, everybody saw that CCTV video. And the presumption would be if you still show up to support him without having a personal connection, the underlying assumption would be you just really like his music.

1:08:22but with luigi's case it's like the presumption would be maybe you're upset about health care in america maybe like it's just like a little bit more complex but it was the way that they treated the people showing up for luigi mangioni as like the most simple-minded little girly pups and i was like i mean that could be the case but also you don't know that's the case and like technically your job as a reporter is to either find out if that's the case or do something about it like you can't just like assume that's the case it was just it was just weird it was weird and that was not the majority of reporters i think 99.9 of them are incredibly just talented people that i can only aspire to have even an ounce of their abilities but you know that's weird because you know we literally cover cases that people were they're fans of a killer because they look certain ways yeah and usually those are still minorities like people do not show up to support someone because they look certain ways no like so this is if that's the main message then we're not getting the real story yeah right and that was a lot of the main message that people saw um i will say tiktok was way better about it tiktok there was a lot of just like memes that occurred afterwards there were conversations of why he wasn't wearing court approved clothing like he had been in the previous hearings some people have conspiracies that not conspiracies but theories and speculations that his defense attorneys had brought this brown paper bag and they had brought clothes for him but because he had gotten a lot more built over the course of the past few months he was no longer able to fit in the court approved clothing so that was one theory another theory was with everything happening in the u.s and all of the high profile cases they were just on extra lockdown and they would not allow him to be in court approved clothing and then there is another theory that it's because of sock gate you know those little heart messages that were in his socks so it was kind of a mixture of those it's unclear they didn't really go over it during the hearing so i'm not entirely sure but he was in his prison uniform and those uniforms are super viral in Chinese social media now.

1:10:40Yes, so Chinese netizens, they actually, I was actually intrigued because, and I think it has to do with the country, obviously. A lot of the people that support Luigi Mangione in the United States are supporting Luigi Mangione because of healthcare reform, because this affects us on our daily lives and our family members who all live in the United States and have healthcare in the United States. Chinese netizens, they're like, hey, we got our own healthcare. We don't care about your healthcare system. We call him Lulu. So that's his nickname in China. And a lot of people say that color of the prison uniform is the color of the season now.

1:11:14And so a lot of designers in China are now incorporating the sand colored uniform to like all of their looks. And there's just like a lot of Internet comments that are doing Internet things. There is a TikTok going around of a reporter talking about the case and all of the fangirls. and POP NYC, they have these LED trucks that drive around the courthouse during the hearing. Like I would say they change the screens and most of it is talking about healthcare, how to get informed, how to get involved, how to try to make a difference. And then some of them just have like Luigi's face on there while they're like spreading facts about how to make a difference and like how to assist in these protests.

1:11:54And one of them is him like kind of side-eyeing and that truck is just driving by the reporter as she's actively talking about him and people are like, a drive-by mog is insane. And again, these are people who do take cases seriously. But at the same time, it's just like Gen Z humor. And I feel like legacy media has not caught on to that. Because even the Reddit comments, like legacy media would have a heart attack and all the Reddit comments are like, not a bad angle. There's not a single bad angle of this man, which is crazy. That's what people are saying. I don't know, okay? there are other people commenting that they need to put taller guards with him because putting all these short guards with him are not doing the prosecutors any favors people are commenting that yeah people are commenting i miss my husband like there's a lot of interesting comments okay and i think a lot of these people take cases in the united states very seriously they take health care conversations very seriously i saw someone in the chinese platform there's a shot of him uh someone flashlights it so it's like super dramatic with his shadow casting on the wall people are like damn even his shadow looks good yeah like people are making jokes does that mean that they don't take anything seriously no i think it's just like i mean it's the internet it's the internet like what can we do about it there's nothing we do about it he's in the courtroom for like 10 15 minutes and then he is escorted back out i think there was a moment um from what i saw online of people who were in the public pews they said that it seemed like he was trying to look at the people in public briefly but it seemed like the the court officer pulled on him and then there was a moment where like i don't know i don't think it looked like it hurt but they were saying like it almost looked like he rolled his eyes but it was not because he's like rolling his eyes at the public but it was like there was like a yank and pull situation i couldn't see from my angle but that would make a lot of sense because these court officers were genuinely acting like this is hannibal lecter everybody watch out and i was like i mean yes there are very serious charges on the indictment but like this is crazy energy this is a lot of energy right now like it was a lot it was intense like i've never seen that many court officers on one floor at once yeah and another thing that was very interesting was we had a team member that was in the press pit so she is trying to take photos in the hallway so she was taking a photo and video of luigi walking down the hallway into the courtroom we were in the courtroom right and she was saying one thing that was so fascinating and she's like i don't know if it depicts in the videos i'm sure it does you know she's telling us i'm sure it does but you know defense you guys saw them walk in and we're like yeah and she's like you could barely see them like i couldn't even get karen on camera because she's walking so fast like they're just like boom in and out in and out i'm like hold on can you walk a little slower and then luigi mangi they're just like dragging him okay so like same thing it's like happening so quick so quick and she said i don't know what the prosecutors are doing but when they were walking down the hallway she said it was like like people joke about the met gala online and she was like i thought it was a joke but they're like shaking hands with every court officer that's like guarding the hallway from hannibal lecter they're just like the slowest walk it's like slow motion football team headed onto the court field i don't know whatever and she thought it was the weirdest thing ever and she was like i also didn't like want to get so much video of them because nobody even knows them and nobody cares so she was like it just like was so long for what like she was saying it was not normal so that's why a lot of people are saying again yeah maybe these prosecutors are all fighting to get the first bite at luigi mangioni and again regardless of if you agree or disagree with what he is accused and has allegedly done it's you know when the justice system is unfair to one person that one person could be you the next day that one person could be a loved one the next day so they're just saying like regardless of how you feel if it's unfair it's unfair and that's not how it should work i will say even when the prosecutors walked into the courtroom i was like why why are all y 'all here okay so first of all it's a hearing it's a hearing and uh only two prosecutors were in like the bullpen i think okay maybe two or three.

1:16:33They were in the bullpen. And one of them had their phone horizontal before Luigi came in. And I was like, is he watching a live stream right now? I don't know. I don't know. It just kind of was the vibe. It was the vibe, but I don't know. My eyes are not super laser, you know, 40-40 eyesight. I couldn't see, but it was horizontal, which was weird. Like, are you watching a video right now? What's happening? What video could you possibly be watching right before a hearing that's more pertinent than the hearing unless it be a live stream, right? And so I thought that was very interesting because he was just like this.

1:17:05And another thing that was odd is, and I know I keep referencing this trial and it's like my recent experience, obviously, and hopefully as I get more experience, I can reference other trials. But in the federal case, which are usually more high profile cases, like the Sean Combs case, you had all the prosecutors, like six of them, and they would get, they all sit in the bullpen. So they're all working on this case. They're like the prosecutors on this case. So there were only for Luigi's New York State hearing, but a whole row of them filled up on the very first row on the prosecution side. So they're not participating, and I'm sure they're working on this case heavy, but it was like, I don't know if all of you guys needed to show up full row deep because even for the federal case, there are other prosecutors who are working on the case that are not part of the six.

1:17:53And those prosecutors will show up, remember how I was saying they're like two rows ahead of the press pews and really they only show up on really big days of the trial and that's the trial wow you're observing yeah like they show up huge witness testimonies they show up on big cross-examination days like they're not there most of the time because they're working on the case probably right but a full row and they walked in like like they were on an episode of suits and i was like looking at the defense attorneys and I was like, it just was a different energy. Also, I did overhear Karen Agnifolo.

1:18:31Listen, Mark Agnifolo, I know people have thoughts about him, obviously, because he does represent a lot of interesting people, including Keith Ranieri, like lots of interesting clients previously. Karen Agnifolo worked primarily as a prosecutor for a very long time before becoming a defense attorney. She is a very fascinating person. Like her aura is also crazy. Crazy. Okay, like I said, Mark has like a teddy bear aura, which he really let his wife do everything on this case. Like she is lead, lead counsel. And she was standing there and they like to observe the courtroom before Luigi Mangione comes in.

1:19:07And I guess someone had whispered to her, are you nervous? Because the first thing I can distinctly hear her say is, I'm not nervous. Why would I be? And it was like, it was not like a, why would I be? Like it was just, it was just like pure confidence. Like I have nothing to be concerned about. It was giving like, there is nothing for me to be nervous about. Not like me, but like our side of the case to be nervous about, which I thought was very interesting. And so it's just a very different aura from the prosecutors coming in like a row and a half deep, doing a very long walk down the hallway.

1:19:46That's interesting. And potentially watching the live stream after. And like as someone who's trying to get on that reserve list, should I be saying? this probably not but here we are so i it was a crazy hectic day and so updates on this case terrorism charges have been dropped um there was a lot of hope and i think the defense attorneys are pushing for the state new york state case to be dropped entirely because i mean wow second degree murder charges it's like come on he's facing capital punishment in the federal court Like you want to spend all that taxpayer money to be doing all of this right now.

1:20:26And clearly lots of prosecutors are working on this case. And there's so many cases in New York. And I think this is where people can be mad collectively. Like, again, you can hate Luigi Mangione. You can love Luigi Mangione. Who cares? But it's the fact that you're using taxpayer money to go so hard on this case. And there are so many unsolved cases in New York. There's so many families like waiting for answers in New York. and you're like, no, let me pour so much more resources on this case that even the federal court is also trying simultaneously. It just feels like that's what the people want.

1:20:57Yeah, the feds are already doing this. Why are we doing this double, triple times? Yeah, it's like, and again, on taxpayer money, when you can be focused on other cases, or is it the fact that you don't care and you just want a high-profile case under your belt? Because if that's the case, you're not for the people, are you? So that's been like a huge thing. they just want the case dropped in New York State because they're like it's not like he's going to go free like he's facing capital punishment like come on right I don't think that's going to happen the prosecutors have already stated at the hearing and later to media like they're going to still pursue second degree murder as well as the weapons charges and that the next hearing for them will be December 1st the federal hearing is December 4th and probably sometime December we're finally hopefully going to figure out which case starts first which case proceeds first and where that's going to go from there I do know that he has a hearing in November in Pennsylvania which like I said there was like that whole argument of can he come in person the feds are like absolutely not it's been a back and forth but it seems that he will not be attending that hearing so it seems like right now it's really between New York State and the feds of who goes first with most people assuming it's going to be the federal case and that's just what i've been hearing even with like the press members they're just saying it seems like it's going to be the federal case so that will be probably hopefully there will be some updates in december but we will just have to see and that is where we are with this case i do think that it was very interesting to go and attend the hearing.

1:22:41Definitely follow PopNYC, Renegade for Justice. I think even as the trial proceeds, it's going to be really important to find a lot of different sources that are maybe not aligned with legacy media just to see and make sure that you're getting thorough and fair coverage of the case. So keep an eye out for that and be safe. I will see you guys in the next one. what do we want free luigi why do we want it now and if we don't get it shut it down we don't get it

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