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Episode Title
I Spent 8 Hours In A Courtroom w/ Diddy & This Is Everything He Did
Episode Description
The episode covers the intricacies of jury selection in the trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs, highlighting the dynamics between potential jurors, the defendant, and attorneys. It takes listeners inside the courtroom during a pivotal moment in a high-profile legal case, exploring the underlying emotions, tensions, and strategies involved in jury selection.
Key Themes and Discussions
- Atmosphere of the Courtroom
- The courtroom is described as grand yet intimidating, resembling a church with tall wooden ceilings and church pews.
- The mood is tense, with notable interactions between Diddy, jurors, and the press.
- Diddy is observed taking notes and reacting to jurors’ responses during the selection process.
- Jury Selection Process
- Jury selection is emphasized as critical, with professionals suggesting the case's outcome can be influenced heavily by the jurors chosen.
- Potential jurors reveal prior knowledge of the case, including having seen hotel footage involving Diddy, which complicates their ability to remain unbiased.
- Various jurors express personal biases, including feelings surrounding sexual assault (SA) and domestic violence (DV) based on their own experiences.
- Juror Profiles and Experiences
- A variety of juror backgrounds are documented, including experiences with SA and DV, which influence their perspectives on the case.
- Examples of juror interactions highlight their responses to questions about Diddy and the allegations against him.
- Unique anecdotes from jurors provide insight into their personalities and how they might influence the trial.
- Diddy's Presence and Behavior
- Diddy’s demeanor is described as surprisingly low-key, contrasting with his public persona.
- While focusing on jurors, he displayed smiles and nods, suggesting a desire to connect and perhaps win their favor.
- His interactions are analyzed for potential impacts on juror opinions, considering his celebrity status.
- Legal Strategy and Defense Team
- The defense team, led by various notable attorneys, is portrayed as polished and strategic, working to select a jury that will be sympathetic to Diddy.
- Discussions about the strategies employed by the defense illustrate the importance of narrative and juror perception in high-profile cases.
- Public Reception and Media Attention
- The episode touches on how media portrayal and public opinion can influence juror perspectives.
- The dynamics of the courtroom are seen as a performance, with both the defense and prosecution aware of how they are perceived.
Key Takeaways
- Jury Selection Importance: The selection of jurors is a crucial part of the trial process that can significantly affect the trial’s outcome.
- Personal Biases: Many jurors brought personal histories that may cloud their judgment, raising questions about their ability to remain impartial.
- Celebrity Influence: Diddy’s celebrity status adds a unique layer to the trial, potentially swaying jurors’ opinions.
- Complexity of Courtroom Dynamics: Interactions in the courtroom are complex and can be interpreted in various ways, affecting how jurors perceive the defendant and the case.
Conclusion
The episode provides an in-depth look at the jury selection process, the atmosphere in the courtroom, and the interactions between Diddy and potential jurors. It highlights the multifaceted nature of legal proceedings, especially in high-profile cases, as well as the psychological aspects that come into play for both jurors and defendants. With opening statements approaching, the episode sets the stage for what may unfold as the trial progresses.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Tuesday, May 6th, I walk into this room in New York City. I'm already nervous my plane was delayed I was supposed to be here yesterday the room itself is so daunting it's it's huge it feels like it could fit a hundred people 200 people I have no spatial awareness it feels like a cathedral church without the peaked ceilings the ceilings are tall they're made out of wood and everything about it feels like you cannot talk above a whisper that's the energy of this room so right when you walk in through the double doors you've already walked through this like carpeted hallway where you can hang your coat double doors open up there's two retired law enforcement officers next to you they're wearing bulletproof vests they're retired yes and now this is their job so all of them are retired law enforcement so you walk in and the first thing you notice are church pews just rows and rows of church pews you got the left side and the right side and then above that and i'm just trying to paint the picture there are 10 massive chandeliers huge lights but chandeliers makes it sound very fancy and there's crystals hanging off of it they look like the ceiling boob lights everybody hates but they're huge i don't even think i could hold it with my arms all the way stretched out and there's 10 of them so to give you scale of this room it's grand interestingly enough magnifying these ugly ceiling boob lights tenfold actually does make them look prettier so there's 10 of them lined up in rows of two right above the church pew.
1:30So five on the right side, five on the left side. And then you have this like wooden little barricade, like a little wooden fence. I mean, you could easily jump over it. There's a little door. But beyond that, there's more rows and rows of seating. But they have computers and they have better chairs with cushions. And at the very front of the room, you have this podium and this rope painting. It's a massive artwork that takes up the whole wall and it's made out of rope that's been tied together and it's different colors and it's probably two of me standing tall and you walk in and it is incredibly awkward.
2:05The church pews are just rock solid wood. You know it's good wood but every time you inch your butt you feel like the whole pew is vibrating. You can feel other people moving and by hour four everybody's inching their butts because it's so sore from the solid wood pew and it's awkward because almost everyone just sits uncomfortably on one side. Now this is going to probably change on Monday, but during jury selection, we're all seated pretty much on the right side. So the left is empty? The left side has a few people, but barely any. So we're all gathered on the right side and we're not even condensed to like, oh, single file, let's fill out the first few rows.
2:45We're all scattered around the right side. So at the very front row, you have the court sketch artists and they're going to be looking at Diddy diagonally so he's sitting right in front of the left side row of the pews and so we get like a diagonal from behind view of Diddy so the court sketch artists are at the front there's about two to three and they have I didn't know it was this big because when I look online it looks like a little thumbnail I thought they bring in a little notepad it's like two feet it's not canvas it's it's like a paper oh and they have chalk they have pastels they have the surgeon binoculars that they put on their head to stare into diddy's soul yeah i guess they're trying to get all the details of every defense attorney the judge the prosecutors of diddy and then behind them you have a few empty rows and then like a few scattered people these appear to be people associated with diddy's legal team or supporters of diddy aka his friend was there so his family aren't there yet they're going to show up for opening statements but they're not here for jury selection one friend is there he was sitting two rows in front of us and then you have the in-house the one wearing the free shirt yeah he was pleasant he didn't really talk to anybody but yeah he was sitting there and then behind him you have the court reporters and then behind that row you've got us members of the press that's where i was sitting and when you get there you sit down and the place feels like 90 percent of church 10 percent the back rooms it feels intentionally uncomfortable and you're just sitting on this rock solid pew and the one saving grace of this entire place is there's massive windows that are covered in sheer curtains so you can't really see out but if you do take a peek it's the most beautiful view of New York City and the Hudson River but nobody's looking outside we're staring at this one door near the front of the courtroom because that is where Sean Dady Combs is going to walk out of the man on trial for racketeering two counts of sex trafficking and two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution.
4:46It's interesting because when he walks in, his presence is kind of like a shrug. My researchers and I were staying up all night. We're trying to find analogies because there's no cameras allowed. And I want you guys to get not even just like the visual, because clearly you guys know what Diddy looks like, but the feeling that I personally got, it's like a shrug. When someone walks into a party, there's a few ways that people react. I feel like the first way is, oh my God, who is that? Who is that person? And people start asking And you're like Oh that's that person And then You have times where people walk in You look at your friends And you just go You just shrug Like I don't know who that person is Do you know who that person is?
5:21I don't know why they just walked in here What? It's just very unassuming There's no strong presence He just walks in So it wasn't as intense As you thought it was going to be Yeah there was nothing Less presence Way less presence Because you hear all these reports about how he does have this very magnifying, electrifying star power. None of that. But there is a lot of tension. And it's interesting because this room is massive, but all of the tension, all of the energy is just lopsided to the front of the courtroom because that is where the judge, the prosecutors, the defendant, Sean Diddy Combs, the defense team, they're all there.
6:01And at some point during the many hours that you sit there, it kind of starts feeling like a one-way window or a one-way mirror. I overheard some people say it feels kind of like we're watching a movie or we're watching fish in an aquarium. There's no interaction between the two sides of the room. There's no conversation, obviously. There's nothing. It just feels like we're watching something that maybe we're not even supposed to be watching. Like we're silent flies on the walls. And we have to be silent. And we can't comment. And no one's talking. And we don't exist to them. That's interesting.
6:30It's a very, it feels like an invisible force field in the middle of the room. Just boom, there's the force field. Yeah, because you know, like when you're even in public, you don't want to stare at people. No, but all of us are just staring down. I wonder if that's why it feels so intriguing because you're not supposed to staring at someone. Yeah. Like analyzing everything they're doing. And you know what's crazy? I did catch myself staring so intently because I'm jotting down notes and I'm watching because I want to make sure that I get all my notes accurately. Right. So I'm staring up like this.
7:01And then I made eye contact with someone who works at the court. And it is very weird. I did feel like I'm breaking social norms. Yeah. And it feels very uncomfortable. It feels like a force field. And then all of a sudden it breaks because Diddy will turn around or tilt his head and he will stare back. And this is a man and my researchers warned me because their flight did not get delayed. So they came on Monday and they said, it's not like he's looking at one person specifically. I mean, I'm sure he's looking at his friend. I'm sure he's looking at the people that he works with, but it's not like he's looking at the members of the press.
7:34Like he doesn't really care about the members of the press like that. He's not like, hey, that one person, I'm going to stare at you. But he will look at all of the members of the press. Like one by one. Yes, it feels like one by one. Now, it's not like he can spend a lot of time looking. It feels like he's doing maybe a few faces and then he'll wait, turn around, do another few faces. Yeah, but there are, I would say I could count many a times I felt I made eye contact with Diddy. And I'm not saying this as like he wants to look at me or he was specifically looking at me, right? But it's just he's trying to see who's in the courtroom.
8:07And the way he makes eye contact, I think that was more jolting. His presence was a shrug, but his eye contact is very intense. He reminds me of someone who just does not break eye contact. It feels like he's staring into your soul. There was one point where I thought I was going crazy. And I looked at my researcher who's sitting behind me. And she was like, she's mouthing, what? But there was once where he's looking in maybe me, the person next to me or the person to my right. And he just wouldn't look away to the point where I felt like all of us started looking away first. Wow. You know, we were talking to other people and there were a lot of people that felt similarly.
8:49It feels very challenging when he looks at people. It doesn't feel like zoning out. It doesn't feel like, huh, I wonder why these people are here. It feels challenging. That's the best word. Is he doing this on purpose here or is this how he always? I personally, I don't know him. I personally feel like this is how he is. I don't think that he's like cares about the members of the press that much. This is just how he always looks at someone. He holds his eye contact and he doesn't break it. No, it feels like he sizes up everyone. And it's not even like we're important or anything to him, but it just is very interesting.
9:25So this is week one of jury selection for the Diddy trial.
9:50We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Joyful Heart Foundation. They're working to transform society's response to SA, DV, and CA. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team and allow our team to travel to New York City to attend the trial. We'd also like to thank our listeners for your continued support as we work on our mission to be worthy advocates. As always, full show notes are available at RottenMangoPodcast.com. A few disclaimers before we get started. Regarding content warnings, there are themes of SA and DV.
10:18Secondly, certain portions and quotes have been shortened and condensed and or combined for brevity. Now third, this is a very thick disclaimer, but Sean Combs is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Everything reported on in this episode and throughout the trial is public information. Any descriptions or observations regarding the defendant are personally noted by myself or my two researchers who were present in the courtroom. Seeing these things happen in real time with our own eyes, that's what we're telling you. but just because we feel something and see something does not mean that our experience and statements are valid reflections of the truth.
10:52Our interpretations of random things that we saw in the courtroom are our own opinions shared for the purpose of reporting on current events because they don't allow cameras. None of this should be used as a definitive source for how someone feels about Diddy and especially not for deciding if you think he's innocent or guilty as the trial is ongoing. So with that being said, let's jump into a super brief recap. We did four deep dives into Diddy's case in 2024 after his arrest. Part one, we cover the FBI raids of his mansions, the leaked hotel security footage of Diddy allegedly physically assaulting Cassie, his girlfriend at the time, and multiple accusations from victims allegedly harmed at Diddy's infamous so-called freak-off parties.
11:30In part two, we cover Diddy's history and lore, including allegations against Diddy's son, their yacht parties, the untimely death of Diddy's ex-partner and mother to his children, Kim Porter. Part three was an interesting one. It covers a lot of different connections that people have made between Diddy and 13 people who have mysteriously passed away, including Biggie, Tupac, and the 1999 City College incident that killed several people in a crowd crush at an event promoted by Diddy himself. Then in part four, we went over the rumored Diddy's list, which includes all the internet allegations about celebrity friends who internet users believe may be connected to Diddy's infamous freak-off parties.
12:08And now, starting monday may 12th we're gonna be doing daily episodes daily updates on diddy's trial there are no cameras no live streaming allowed in federal courtrooms there's no way to really get that type of information we can't even bring our phones or laptops in everything is even just hand notes it's very serious he is facing one count of racketeering conspiracy two counts of sex trafficking two counts of transportation across state lines for the purpose of sex work diddy has rejected a plea deal and he is facing a maximum sentence of life imprisonment if found guilty on all charges. So this week, this past week was jury selection.
12:44Opening statements are projected to start Monday. And in some sense, it kind of is Diddy fighting for his life. There will be multiple in-person witness testimonies, including Cassie, Diddy's ex-girlfriend from the hotel video. And we will be giving you guys daily updates on all of that as well. So with that being said, let's get started. I think the only thing that matters in a courtroom, and I was doing so much research about this before we went into jury selection, not we, but you know, is that the 12 people that are on the jury, this is the only thing that really matters, is that they like the defendant more than they like the prosecutors or vice versa.
13:18That's what the government, that's what the defense are trying to do. Does this person like us maybe a little bit more than they like the other person? Obviously that's very simplified. But is it? Some jury experts believe trials can be won or lost in jury selection. The first week, the first few days, I was watching a ton of videos, reading articles written by attorneys, and I find it fascinating that most of them say jury selection is not about selecting a juror. It's about deselecting jurors. One jury expert puts it a little more blunt. You're trying to get rid of the jurors who are going to ruin your case and will not be receptive to your arguments.
13:55Don't focus on jurors you want. Focus on jurors you don't want. But in that same regard, you have to ask yourself, if I try to get this person out of the jury, am I going to have a less desirable potential juror replace them other attorneys candidly write on reddit pick your leaders and pick your sheep that's the rule that i live by you need four people who you think you can really speak to and they got to be leaders and they're going to listen to you and then later when they deliberate they're going to lead the followers to the answer that you want wasn't one of the latest addition to diddy's team a yes a juror a jury consultant so her whole job is this yes That's all she's doing.
14:38And she does that for many trials. Now, others say pick your leaders. Yeah, that's true. But also pick them wisely. You want strong thinkers, strong leaders that are great at advocating and leading conversations that also like you. But you don't want strong-willed jurors. According to one attorney, strong-willed, domineering jurors are the most dangerous because they try to drag the others with them. Letting one of these into your jury can ruin the entire jury. Pay attention to the degree of certainty and confidence in which they respond to questions. If in any way, it's not even about the question being asked, because a lot of the questions being asked during jury selection are very repetitive.
15:15Are you going to be able to not be biased? Yes, you saw the hotel video, but are you going to be able to put that aside and not be biased? The questions themselves don't say a lot, but attorneys say it's the way the jurors answer the questions. If in any way they exhibit a tendency to challenge the question, strike them, get them out. One jury consultant says trials aren't completely won and lost in jury selection, but all lawyers acknowledge it's a big part of winning. Pick the perfect jury and your job gets so much easier. Make some mistakes in jury selection and you're essentially down 10 points with a minute to go because how jurors brains work matter more than how you present the case.
15:53I believe that is the most important phase of the trial. To which one famous jury consultant says jurors are not empty cups. They're not little empty cups where lawyers get to pour their information in from both sides and see which one they like. Jurors serve as filters. The way they process the information distorts some of the evidence before arriving to their decision. Basically saying, it doesn't really matter how good your case is. If someone has such a strong fundamental bias against your case that you did not catch during jury selection, you might as well quit and move to Florida and change your government name because you're not going to be able to convince them.
16:29That's how these attorneys describe it. Surveys done on jurors, a lot of them, they actually start forming opinions on everyone in that courtroom. I mean, obviously not people in the pews, everyone in the courtroom before the trial even starts. They're typically looking at, a lot of the times, the prosecutors and the defense attorneys, and obviously the defendant. They're typically looking for competent, energetic, organized attorneys who seem appreciative, patient, sympathetic, good listeners. They're looking for a pleasant presence, not the shrug presence that Diddy brought. But I don't think they care for that for him.
17:09Progressively, as the days go on, Diddy does seem to get a lot more confident. The first day that he walks in, he's wearing a white-collared shirt, dark navy sweater on top. It's your very typical court defendant outfit. His hair is grayish white. And the way that my researcher describes it the very first day, because his demeanor does change a little bit the second day, she says. She says, this is not Puff Daddy. This is a man named Sean Combs. This is a 55-year-old man with probably a bad left knee, which I would say is very accurate. There were multiple times throughout the first week of trial where either did he start slapping his left knee under the table, like just really slapping it.
17:48It's not loud, but you can see like he's slapping it or chopping it. Or where there's brief moments where everybody stands up and stretches to use the restroom. he will start stretching that specific left knee. He'll like lift it up in a 90 degree angle and kind of move it in circles and then back down. I digress. Now, since cameras are not allowed in the courtroom, I think the courtroom sketches, they're incredible. I think there's some debate about them online. I think they're beyond the scope of my capability, so I can't say anything, but sometimes maybe it's my brain rot frontal lobe. I just have a hard time trying to picture him from the courtroom sketches.
18:22Like even during his previous court appearances, I just couldn't understand what he looks like. So we have an edited picture for you. This was done using Photoshop. This is not like an AI generated image. It's literally a photo of Diddy and we, and by we, I mean the RMT members who actually know how to use Adobe, unlike me. He does look pale. He looks like he could use a lot more vitamin D, but it's not like he can put in a request for that. A lot of people say that he's lost weight. I think that he gained quite a bit of weight before getting arrested and compared to that timeline, he did lose weight.
18:53but he doesn't look particularly frail or anything of that sort. He's still quite the sturdy looking guy. I thought it was interesting because visually, he looks a lot older than 55. He looks a lot older than he is. Really? Yes, he looks like he's, like, jail is doing a number on him. However, however, this is the weird juxtaposition. I felt when he moves around minus his bad knee, the visual, he looks a lot older, but he's not slow. he doesn't seem physically unwell like i feel like he could run a mile maybe it's the hair and maybe and i do think it's the lack of sun probably and when he needs to get up from his chair i mean this man is up for example when a juror walks in or when a juror walks out of the courtroom during individual questioning so it's one juror at a time did he and the defense team typically stand up he's pretty quick with it he's not gripping the sides of his chair or the table to get up he's not even slow he's trying to make a good impression is the feeling i have he's very he's up he's very respectful on two specific occasions my researcher and i were scribbling in our notes and we both looked at each other because diddy we felt in our opinion shot up out of his chair quicker than he normally does and we look and it's a very beautiful female juror with a lot of assets yeah really yeah and we were we both wrote it individually in our notes like the way he just shoot up yes and the way he just kept lingering and staring like all the other attorneys sat down first and then he he sat down i mean he could have been zoning out and thinking about lunch or the case i don't know so the white hair does kind of throw it off it seems like he's turning into a full-blown grandfather but physically he seems fine day one he walks into the courtroom and my researcher was telling me and he did this again day two he does this practically every day in court he starts coming out into the courtroom shaking all of his attorney's hands hugging them then he puts his hand to his chest and mouths thank you to the people who came to support him so other people i guess related to his legal team or his friend and they're in front of us and he's like saying thank you sometimes he'll look around and put his fist to his chest for his friend again his family will i believe be there on monday so we'll see what his interactions with them are diddy mouths thank you and you can't really hear it and with that day one starts it's a pretty big day a whole group of jurors are going to be brought into the courtroom so this is again same thing but they're going to sit in the church pews directly behind diddy so they all get brought in behind diddy using the massive two doors that i came through and i sit right they come and they sit in the pews right behind Diddy.
21:35How many came in at the time? Like 40. Oh wow. And they just single file come in and they just line around the pews. Okay so they take up like five six pews and they're going to be sworn in. But while they're coming in in a single file line Diddy and the defense are staring at them. Which makes sense because a lot of these attorneys they write on online and they write articles you want to know their age race gender probably even the way they're dressed to get a grasp of do they have any certain hobbies socioeconomic status what do their attire say about them what does their posture say about them do they look annoyed to be here do they look too enthusiastic to be here the jurors get sworn in and then they get brought back out of the courtroom and then they go wait in another courtroom so then they're each called in one by one for a individual questioning they are very serious because some of these people is going to determine Diddy's fate.
22:29Yes. They only have that window of time to decide. Yes. I will say out of the, I couldn't, so Diddy and his attorneys take two rows of the desks and chairs. Linda Moreno, which is his jury consultant, was to me closer to the judge. So she's behind Diddy. I couldn't get a good look at her, but from his, the like four attorneys that sat on Diddy's row, diddy and brian steel young thug's former attorney they looked the more most intense when they stared at the jurors whereas the other attorneys they were looking but it wasn't like it didn't feel so intense diddy and brian steel i'm like whoa just staring at their faces is very like they're locked in i'm sure everybody is but they look extra locked in they walk in one by one and this happens multiple times but it almost seems like every time the jurors come in did he kind of nods it's like he's doing a head count but i don't think he's doing a head count it's just a thing he does he he has moments where he just nods it feels to me personally and it's not a big nod it's like ever so slight like you're thinking to yourself you're nodding to yourself you're not like confirming like oh yeah yeah yeah let's do that nod it's like to myself does it happen to everyone or most of them or um when all of them come in in that single file line he's kind of nodding the whole time day one both of my researchers were freaking out and telling me i'm like in the car on the way to meet with them and they're like there's this moment where after the jurors leave he turns around and his hands are at hip level and he kind of rubs them slowly it's not sinister it's not like creepy like it just felt like okay let's do this it didn't feel like yeah i'm gonna take them it just was like all right let's go so now the jurors are gonna come in one by one for individual questioning but before they can even bring in the first juror you know when you're in a classroom for the first time and you've walked in you sit down you haven't spoken a word suddenly the teacher calls on you and you have no idea how to project your voice because you're like i don't know if this is loud enough when my teacher is all the way over there like I don't know but then I don't want to scream because that's embarrassing it's just like how far is my voice going to travel I don't know you're trying to grasp it Diddy's lead attorney Mark Agnifolo stands up to ask the judge I'm constrained to ask for another two minute bathroom break I apologize the judge is confused well why don't we try to get through at least 10 jurors so previously they already had another bathroom break and my researcher said it was so quick I mean it just look they were like i don't even know if diddy peed no they say they also said we also don't know if he washed his hands because it was just too too quick like did he not pee or did he not wash his hands because they think in their timeline maybe we're slow movers that they're like i couldn't have peed and washed my hands like that in that amount of time span it was just so quick it was super brief yeah and then they have and then court is back in session then he's asking for another bathroom break so the judge is like well why don't we try to get through at least 10 jurors where i mean do we really need to take one now diddy lifts his butt up from the chair a tiny bit and i cross-reference both the researchers notes he raises his hand near his head level and the pointer finger the index finger is slightly upwards but it's not like pointing it's kind of like oh excuse me but he's barely looking up at the judge he seems very meek the first day he barely raises his voice and this is when he says the nine or so words that everybody was talking about i'm sorry your honor i'm a little nervous today this is considered the first thing did he has said in court and did he get a bathroom break after that yeah he did how long does usually one individual juror's session take it really depends um like five minutes 39 a day and then there's group questioning yeah and then there's also a few breaks and like lunch okay so it's like five ten minutes yeah and then it really depends like some jurors if they don't answer yes to specific questions they don't really ask anything more i see recently drake released this new song and okay it's just not been a good year for drake i mean i feel like years ago he all the titles are like the new face of hip-hop now the article headlines are are we sure drake is okay, but maybe this is his comeback.
27:05Maybe this is his partial recovery from what happened with Kendrick Lamar. He's going to release new music with engaging lyrics. And this one song, the lyrics read, I've been in the house, but I'm coming outside tonight. Yeah. I love how you always be speaking your mind. People want to meet up, talk about shit. I'm vegan now. Evil eyes are staring at me and I see it now. Shout out to Brian Steele. Take off the cuffs. We leaving now. the whole song is called brian steel so who the hell is brian steel and why is there a song named after him on a drake album brian steel is one of diddy's defense attorneys but he's most well known for being young thug's attorney this is the man that with his full chest said your honor young thug more like young truly humble under god that's what his name means okay he didn't say it like that he said it much more eloquently but it was equally goofy he also shows a picture of young thug that supposedly shows him making the letter b with his hand which i guess the prosecutors were trying to argue that means a gang that like that's a gang sign pretty much that's a b which i think by a lot of netizens or really anyone with some ocular capacity could see that it does indeed probably look like a b it's like an eye exam and you put the super clear slide and you're like oh yeah, that's a B, right?
28:26I'm being dramatic. But Brian Steele disagrees. He said, that is not a B. That is a P because my client, Young Thug, truly humble under God, is pushing positivity. P for positivity. Listen, I don't know. You know, I don't even want to get too deep into the Brian Steele lore and the Young Thug case because I might do a whole separate deep dive on that one. But now that same attorney is sitting on Diddy's left side. He's sitting right next to Diddy for jury selection and he is interesting he's so fascinating and this is the part where i feel like please listen to the wording and all of this i'm trying to describe exactly what i saw in that courtroom and there like we went in with the idea of especially for jury selection we wanted to see how the jurors would react to the defense and the prosecutors so yeah i could have walked in and been like, I personally don't like Diddy.
29:21So I personally wouldn't defend him if I were an attorney. So I personally don't like the defense attorneys. Like I could have just walked in like that. Right. But I did want to see from a more neutral perspective of maybe how some of the jurors would feel. And I will say Brian Steele is very likable. All of Diddy's attorneys are incredibly likable if you remain neutral. How in what sense? Yeah. Let me run you through it. And this is very interesting because there is a poet that reportedly even said a jury consists of 12 people who decide who has the better lawyer. And if that's the case, the prosecutors, they're also a dream team.
29:59They're like heavy hitters. But the defense, they're basically courtroom predators. They look like the popular kids. How many were there? Oh, there were a lot. So on the road that Diddy was sitting, it was his two main leads and then two to his left. and then there were three in front of him and then there were a few in the pews. I mean, he's spending a lot of money. A lot of money. It's reported, alleged by a Young Thug song that Young Thug spent$2 million for Brian Steele. And I'm sure it was more because that trial was the longest trial, I think, in Georgia history or something crazy. His defense team are courtroom predators and I say that with respect and a lot of fear.
30:41Have you ever heard the quote, you don't get a second chance to make a first impression? that's the feeling. So according to one attorney, trial attorneys are professional communicators with their body. That's what they're supposed to do, or at least the good ones. According to some jury experts, they believe at the very least, this is a very conservative number, a defense attorney's message is conveyed 55 % through their body language and tone and not the words. I'm not insinuating that that's what's happening here with Diddy's team, but yeah, I think they're all incredibly successful for a reason.
31:11One attorney says, when you walk into that courthouse, you're on. Everyone is watching. In that courtroom, the jury is watching you, not when you start talking. They're watching you from the moment you walk in. Long before you say anything, they will notice everything about you and draw conclusions about who you are. It is advised that trial attorneys, especially in the beginning, perhaps practice smiling, a soft smile in the mirror, so they have a neutral, natural resting facial expression. I don't know if any of Diddy's defense attorneys stare at a mirror when they get home, but I would believe it if you told me they did, because they're incredibly polished.
31:45They're friendly. And aside from Diddy just sitting there at their table, a lot of people in the courtroom seem to like the defense team. They seem to have good relationships with the prosecutors. A lot of them used to work at the DA's office. Yeah, it seems... I mean, not the defendant. I don't know about that. But the defense team. So you have his lead attorney, Mark Agnifolo. Appearance-wise, he has salt and pepper hair. I would say more like 70 % pepper. I'll keep you updated on if that progresses one way or another during the trial He has a bit of a rounder face Which actually makes him look a lot more approachable and younger in a lot of the pictures I find of him online He looks kind of angry I think he usually gets his picture taken when he's mid-sentence talking about clients outside the courtroom So he does look kind of his eyebrows are crunched together.
32:31He doesn't look Nice in court He looks nice. He looks mainly focused. He doesn't look particularly stressed or angry ever and i'm sure that's something that all the defense attorneys are trying to show in their demeanor he's got more of a geeky energy to him he walks in with one of those backpacks that are like double the size of his back it's like the backpacks that the smart kids have in school the one with 10 000 different zippers which i feel like is less utilitarian and more like bragging about one's finger dexterity but he has one of those backpacks his energy overall is the dad that you asked to take a picture of you on the iPad.
33:10And then he'll take a picture of himself and he he ha ha to himself. That's the energy. I'm not saying this is who he is. I'm not saying he's a great person. He has defended lots of questionable people. I'm just saying that's his energy. If I know nothing about him and I walk in as a potential juror, like that's the energy I would get personally. Mark Agnifilo is known for representing Keith Raniere, Nixxiom cult leader who was sentenced to 120 years in federal prison for similar charges, charges of racketeering and sex trafficking. Keith Raniere also, he liked to wear the defendant starter pack, white collared shirt, blue sweater.
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33:44And the way that Mark represented Keith could tell us maybe about how he's going to talk about his new client, Diddy. He does the very typical, you might not like Keith Raniere. You might not like what he did. It's disgusting. It's offensive. It's gross. Ooh, all that sexual stuff. But you can't convict him because everyone was a willing participant. You can't convict someone for being disgusting and repulsive and offensive. It's not against the law. AKA a lot of people think that the defense is going to try and say that there's no sex trafficking in Diddy's case, that it's just Diddy being a swinger.
34:16AKA jurors, you might not agree with the lifestyle, but that doesn't make it a crime. Now, despite Mark's slightly approachable, unassuming look, he clearly is a very intense man. One person describes him as a boxer moving through the courtroom, controlled, watchful, everywhere does a jab. Every cross-examination is a calculated strike. He has an unimaginable ability to navigate high-pressure cases. One person says he's built a reputation off of taking cases to trial rather than settling. He prefers to challenge government allegations head-on. To put it simply, this man is probably a tank in the courtroom, but this is still probably one of his most challenging cases yet.
34:54Now, side note, he has now joined his wife, Karen Agnifolo, in defending Luigi Mangione. So he is officially on that legal team. Really? Yes. And Luigi Mangione and Diddy are in the same prison or jail. One netizen comments, people have mixed feelings about all this. You know, fact, people in America are constitutionally allowed to have representation. So you guys need to stop being mad at his defense attorneys. Another comment, people trash attorneys until they need one. then they'll find out the true value. But another netizen argues just because someone has a right to an attorney does not obligate any particular attorney to represent them.
35:32Agnifilo represents wealthy criminals because it's a good payday. But another netizen has the opposite sentiment. Lawyers are going to lawyer. Believe it or not, defending criminals is not a crime. You seem to be arguing in bad faith from a position of ignorance. They argue back. I also believe everyone deserves a defense attorney, but I also believe defense attorneys that defend obvious monsters like P. Diddy will gain some bad monster baggage. If he really believes Diddy's innocent, maybe he should defend him for free. Others just say, seems like the Agnifilos are going to have a very prosperous year financially.
36:03Another netizen comments, I'm not shocked by this in the slightest. He defends the worst of the worst. Along with Mark Agnifilo, you have Tenny Garagos. Tenny is, she's so put together. I mean, she walks in four inch heels. She's ready for the day. she's probably most well known for posting a few tiktoks last year more or less defending diddy on social media which you can imagine social media and tiktok did not like some accused her of being a sellout others point out that in one particular interview it appears that she's wearing white nail polish i will say it looks a little more baby pink and some just comment you know what no shame in her game a lot of people regardless of her own success thus far though she's kind of known to be a nepo baby but other people say well yeah she's a nepo baby but she still is pretty accomplished in her own right others comment i love that she's following in the footsteps of representing the scum of the earth just like her father did i mean somebody's gotta do it i do think that watching her in the courtroom she might be a nepo baby and maybe you can tell by some of her outfit choices or her bag choices she looks she looks really rich and we might all have our opinions on people who defend Diddy yes but the way she works I think objectively she's very good at what she does but what do I know she seems very in control she's poised she's sharp her father is famous attorney Mark Garagos he's known for a lot of cases he represented Hunter Biden Chris Brown Michael Jackson the Menendez brothers he actually just took them on in 2023 so he was I don't believe he was part of the original trial so he is advocating for a new trial then he represented scott peterson who is actively seeking to overturn his murder conviction by the way and we might do another deep dive on that but mark garagos has a whole podcast so he's not officially on diddy's legal team he's his daughter is yes and he's a long-term legal consultant for diddy he has a podcast with tmz called two angry men which got him into a lot of trouble recently he goes on there and he calls the prosecution team a quote six pack of white women to which later according to court transcripts the judge tells mr garagos when you say things on a podcast like six women all white my understanding is that you got a six pack of white women that's not that's something that you shouldn't that no one should be saying as an officer of the court and a member of the bar right to which mark garagos responds i think when you've got a black man who's being prosecuted and the client feels like he's being targeted it's an observation the judge doesn't seem to be having it i think this is ridiculous i think referring to the prosecution in this case as a six-pack of white women is outrageous all right and i understand what you're saying about the cases and everything else but i think this is outrageous and this would not be tolerated in any court from any lawyer anywhere across the nation and i'm going to be watching and i'm going to be listening all right you have one more listener for your podcast to which mark garagos responds as long as you subscribe i'm all for it the judge hits back you heard me and you've heard what i've said you know i'll be watching this this judge is very intense this is the same honorable sir that just looked like he biked to work this judge is very multifaceted there's a clip of him walking into the courthouse and he's wearing athletic wear he has got his big headphones on and it's very different from when he's in the courtroom he so far is a very compassionate fair firm incredibly sharp judge he's so sharp his brain runs on five times speed really and he's like a tank he's like you guys have to tell me about lunch because i'm just gonna keep going yeah he's a judge supermanium he is a former clerk for justice rbg ruth bader ginsburg he's the first indian american to be the new york district court judge he was nominated to sdny in 2022 by former president biden and now the clip of him walking into the courthouse for work it starts going semi-viral he looks so young he looks like an intern and i say that in the coolest most respectful way he's so multifaceted your honor the comments to him however are unhinged they read he's bumping to cassie's songs he's listening to diddy's no way out some comment i don't know why but this makes me trust him more others say I feel like the judges who take on serious cases like this should be provided security.
40:34But back to the defense attorneys, you have Mark, you have Tenney, the lead attorneys, then you have Diddy. So this is the seating order. It's like, and I'm sure this is going to change depending on what they're talking about. But Mark, Tenney, Diddy, and then Brian Steele sits on the left of Diddy for Jury Selection Week. And according to the New Yorker and a defense attorney from Atlanta, Brian Steele's from Atlanta, according to a defense attorney that worked with Brian Steele for 30 years, he says, Brian doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke. He can't believe anybody would. He won't curse even in court, even if he's reading from a transcript.
41:05So when he's cross-examining, he will say so-and-so F word. The court will say, you can read that out loud and he won't do it. He only drinks water. His lunch is tofu or salmon, maybe a salad no bread i've never seen him eat out he'll bring a toothbrush to court he exercises daily before and after court running swimming weights he has three kids a wonderful wife who is also his law partner and they kind of idolize each other so his wife's name is colette and just a side note i'm going in depth on all these attorneys and i will go in depth later on the prosecution team as well they not entirely sure what the word would be they were less notable during the jury selection.
41:40I'm sure once opening statements start, I mean, they're a very competent team. So we'll go in depth. I just want to paint the picture because we're going to be talking about them for like two months. Yes, you can Google pictures, but there is like a certain energy, like a synergy when they're all in the same room. And I want you to be able to picture it every day and not go through the same things because I think a lot of evidence, witness testimonies are going to come up. We just won't have time for that. So he always says in the phonetic alphabet, C as in Colette, which is his wife's name, right?
42:09apparently he's also superstitious i haven't seen this yet but he will allegedly kiss a finger or tap on a table anytime death is mentioned apparently he likes to call his childhood friends mothers to tell them thank you for giving birth to my friend also in 1992 brian steel was assigned to the case of an illiterate man who was charged with attempted murder in atlanta he actually slept in the jail with him because that man would not he was distrustful of brian steel and did not want to say anything he was not the killer or he was not the attempted murderer so he slept in that jail room to try to get him to open up and trust him and brian steel apparently once said a fair trial is better than he's also said i've defended people who cut out eyes and ate them the system only works when the accused have real representation the more challenging the case the more likely i'll take it do i like the person i'm defending that's the main thing the reporter for the new yorker asked brian steel if he would have represented epstein he says I'd have to understand better all the facts and circumstances see I don't believe allegations I go into believing the person is innocent so he's saying it's not that he doesn't believe the allegations against Jeffrey Epstein but he doesn't believe in allegations I guess until they're confirmed by the court of law I don't know netizens seem to have more positive sentiments about Brian Steele than many of the other attorneys more people are defending his choice of defending Diddy.
43:32Others are commenting, ugh, or a depletion. Others feel genuinely offended because I think they were emotionally invested into Brian Steele after the Young Thug trial. Some people comment, I mean, he's a defense attorney defending the accused, even bad people, and making sure that the state proves their case is his job, I guess. To which someone comments, I don't think anybody's going to hold it against him for not getting Diddy out, right? Except maybe Diddy. Others say, dude's going to make so much money. He's going to do pro bono work at the local courthouse after this. Other people say, I mean, on an emotional level, I'm disgusted that anyone would sign up to defend Diddy, but outside my emotions, this is necessary.
44:11State has to prove their case and defense attorneys don't always defend likable people. His work is necessary, even if I want Diddy locked up. The New Yorker describes him of having a boy scoutish manner. And I could see that He seems really interested in everything happening in court. All the attorneys are. No one looks like they're zoning out. But he's sitting left of Diddy. And maybe this is a natural thing. Maybe he's got a better right hip and he likes to lean to the right, right? But being an attorney for a case like this, it could be argued that maybe it's all intentional. He's always leaning closer to Diddy.
44:48He's always resting his right arm on the right side of his chair closer to Diddy because he's sitting on Diddy's left. He also has, the energy is Mark and Tenny are very serious. They're not overly serious or aggressive or skeptical. They're just very in work mode. Brian Steele, there's a lot of moments where he seems, he appears to be having a good time sitting next to Diddy. Really? Yeah, it's like they're passing notes. Brian Steele is smiling. And again, look, I only know what I remember seeing from the other side of the courtroom and my very limited research about Diddy's humor. But Diddy is a big personality.
45:22I have never read that he was known to be someone who just makes others chuckle at rapidly reoccurring frequencies, you know? Not that I know of, but Brian Steele seems to genuinely enjoy, I don't know about genuine, he seems to be enjoying his time sitting next to Diddy in the courtroom. But does he really? We don't know. Yeah, and he has a lot of interesting things that he does. I will say I believe the tapping on the desk when death comes up because a lot of his movements are very repetitive. So he wears reading glasses. if he is looking at the screen he'll have them on if he's not looking at the screen he'll take them off and he kind of puts the glasses tip into his mouth he likes to stick things into his mouth be it a pen be it his glasses he also has a bright pink water bottle that he drinks out of and i'm like i always try to analyze is this very intentional to come off very likable or is this genuinely just who this guy is i don't know he uses i see him frequently use a pink highlighter he's got this stance so anytime there's a break diddy gets diddy's not like lingering and mingling diddy gets taken to the back because he needs to be held and there will be breaks where people need to go use the restroom and the lawyers they can come out the attorneys they can come out and they can talk not to the members of the press they're on a gag order but they can talk to their colleagues they can talk to the prosecutors they can talk to diddy's friend right and they all just seem relax they seem like the cool kids but brian steel has his go-to pose his blazer jacket is unbuttoned he's got his hands on his hips and he's got one hip popped out it's like a very fun dad vibe yeah i don't know how much of it is so genuine i did read in a separate article that one judge said if brian steel cries in court like he would believe it he's very genuine is the feeling But I don't know.
47:11I think he's a fascinating addition to the defense team. And I'm not saying this like, oh, Brian Steele is a good man. I don't know the man. He's a good man and he's defending Diddy. So that must mean something. That's not what I'm saying. I think it's very smart that he hired Brian Steele. Clearly, Brian Steele has extensive history with defending against RICO charges, racketeering charges, which Diddy is accused of. But I do feel like to some degree, was he brought on for positive press, positive associations? Because he was a huge meme during Young Thug. along with Brian Steele, we have Nicole Westmoreland, who also represented Young Thug.
47:46Notably, she is a survivor of SA. She is the only black woman on his defense team so far. And I would say if netizens like Brian Steele, less people know of Nicole Westmoreland, but more people like her. A lot of people are really amazed at how she overcame trauma. She was SA-ed in the past and she became this successful attorney. A few netizens are concerned about the conversation around her being an essay victim and her joining Diddy's defense. Some feel betrayed, writing, She should be ashamed of herself for defending him then. Or another one that reads, If she thinks mentioning her essay will be a strategy to help him, she's wrong.
48:24Which I feel like is all kind of icky, the commentary about her essay that is by random internet people. And then you have Alexandra Shapiro. She's got shoulder-length blonde hair. It's a little curly. She looks incredibly. athletic if you watch those movies about like new york city power woman who do it all that's the kind of energy she gives me she looks like she's an attorney on the weekend she works on her novel her fiction thriller novel and then runs marathons i don't know if she actually does that i don't know if she runs marathons but she is an attorney and she did release a fiction thriller novel in 2022 called presumed guilty and as someone who has to lay down after going out for approximately one hour she seems like she's gonna be running circles that's i we don't know what she's gonna be deployed to do for this case but she represented sbf she's described as a former big law titan she's also clerked for ruth gator binsburg but not at the same time this judge did others say call alexandra shapiro if you can afford her additionally on the team there's xavier donaldson anna estavo jason driscoll they're all super successful attorneys but they're less talked about so there's not many things that we can go off of, at least not on the internet.
49:36So I guess it'll be interesting to see what they do during the trial. But all of them do have a presence about them. They know what they're doing. They're likable. They're the popular kids. One legal expert describes the team as, I'm looking at the team, especially on the first day of jury selection. It seems like they've got people who are experts in their own kind of general areas. I think the team that Diddy has put together are some heavy hitters in their own rights and they're working together as such. but maybe at least for this past week maybe the most important person on Diddy's team is Linda Moreno the jury consultant she's here to help decide which jurors would be the most advantageous for Diddy and again we don't really get to like the prosecutor we're gonna cover it all this is not like me just talking about Diddy's team it's just there were not as many notable moments and I think we won't really understand what angle they're going for until the opening statements Now, one attorney completely unrelated to all of this, slightly controversial, bizarrely comments.
50:36Generally speaking, I mean, there's all these other small things you can do to find the right juror. The heavy, rounded face, happy looking person is the most desirable. The undesirable juror is quite the slight, underweight, delicate type. Features are going to be sharp and fragile, and he's got a very lean look. The athletic juror is hard to categorize. Usually he is hard to convince, but once he's convinced, he will go all the way with you. As for Linda Moreno, she's a juror expert on anti-Muslim bias in American jury trials. The trial of Nora Salman, the widow of the Pulse nightclub shooter, Linda Moreno got her acquitted.
51:15That was the first complete acquittal of terrorism charges in America since 9-11. Now, without getting too much into her cases, at least not in this moment, she does have a fascinating way of picking jurors. For example, in one case, she was representing a client that was charged with explosives. She says it's all about picking a jury. So in that particular trial, one prospective juror talked about how her brother had served in Iraq and how she had grew up in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. A lot of people on the defense team wanted to get rid of this juror because you're dealing with explosive charges.
51:45This is not this is not good. There's going to be a lack of understanding there. They don't want her on the jury. But Linda Moreno wants to keep her. She's saying she had a clear, strong voice, suggesting that she thought about a lot of things. And something she said really impressed me. You would have to live through the war in Vietnam to understand why people did what they did. She said, we're keeping her. She was firm. She said, if selected, she's going to have the sensitivity to put herself in other people's shoes. That juror was one of the five leading the jury to an acquittal. That is so fascinating.
52:18I feel like nobody talks about the deeper level of what these people will determine oh we're gonna get into different um they have different methods so uh one person describes linda as having a very gentle persistence that makes a huge difference she does seem gentle she's an older woman now she seems very slender she had on giant pearls a pearl necklace i mean i think she must have been very successful in her career because those pearls were crazy yeah they looked beautiful definitely not as strong as a presence but maybe that's intentional. Maybe she wants to fly under the radar so she can analyze jurors without them feeling like she's analyzing them.
52:58And they're focused on the other attorneys so she can just watch. I don't know. They say that she has a very laid back politeness about her, to which Linda Moreno once said, I had to be polite but not shy to get things done. I also had to pay close attention to what people said. Another person says her instincts, her ability to read people, I mean, it has a lot to do with a lot of the great outcomes that attorneys will have if she's on their team. She was born a lawyer. No, I'm serious. So for her 12th birthday, Linda Moreno said that she received her favorite movie, which was 12 Angry Men, which is about jury deliberations in a murder case.
53:30Another colleague says if anyone can figure out the jury, it's going to be Linda. It is also believed that she has never has more than one client at a time. A lot of attorneys will have multiple clients at a time. She says that she likes to solely focus on just one case and that's it. It is believed, this is not public information so we don't know, it's believed that someone like Linda Moreno would charge Diddy around a million dollars for her services to be a jury consultant. Others argue it's probably going to be a lot more than that. One person who worked with Linda says, what strikes me about her is her complete dedication to her clients which continues to this day.
54:06Now this is not something that Linda Moreno has said but from our research because I was so intrigued about like the different models. Some attorneys will use their own model. It seems like most attorneys, at least from what I can gather on like subreddits where attorneys are talking about jury selection, they have their own unique model that they tweak depending on the charges of the case and depending on that specific defendant. But they all have some sort of tailored to them model that they like to categorize potential jurors. So these are very basic, probably dumb models, but I thought it was intriguing.
54:40So one model is the three categories of good juror, poison juror, and go with the flow or juror. One attorney says typically it's fairly simple to spot good jurors. You just say a joke and they'll laugh or they'll give you eye contact. They'll nod. They'll do the smile. They're eagerly, you know, not too eager, but just very happy to fulfill their civic duty. They're doing their best. Those are the good jurors. Then you have the poison jurors. These are typically cynical. They get agitated easily and they like to be silent most of the time. That's what's dangerous because they fly under the radar.
55:13Then you have go with the flowers. Quiet. Initially they have indifferent opinions and are open to listening to the evidence. So clearly in this model you want to identify and remove the jurors that are poison. Another model some attorneys say they like to use is the leadership authority model. Classifying and dividing jurors based on their influence and decision-making approach. So there's Three categorizations, or at least this model does. Leaders, so jurors who influence others during deliberations, they're going to be in the back rooms like, no, this is, guys, look at this. They have strong personalities.
55:44They can sway the opinions of other jurors. And then you have authoritarians. In criminal trials, authoritarians typically favor the prosecutors. It's not a bad thing. It's just who they are. So the defense are going to want them out of the jury. Typically, they prefer police. They like authority figures. They have high respect for authority figures. They're not sitting there like, oh, yeah, I love the police, but it's just in them. It's like an innate bias. Some people just respond better to authority figures than others. They often hold more conservative views on crime and punishment as well.
56:18Then you've got the followers, jurors who tend to be influenced by the stronger personalities and opinions in the jury room. They rarely take strong positions independently. Some attorneys will even further categorize and say, you need a fourth category in there. You need negotiators. They are so important. These people, they're not really the leaders, which are like, no, I think this. And then people are arguing. They're the peacekeepers. They facilitate negotiations. They keep peace by analyzing and verbalizing the issues. Then there's another model that instead of three, they've got four classifications.
56:50You have traditionalist. So these are jurors that they like structure. They like established institutions. They typically naturally seem slightly unknowingly, probably even to themselves, in favor of the prosecutors. Then there's experiencers. They're very practical. They're present focused. They like to evaluate the evidence rather than debate abstract concepts of guilt and remorse and principles and values. Then you have the conceptualizers. They are thinkers who are not naturally empathetic. They seem less swayed by emotional appeals. And then lastly, you've got the idealists. More empathetic, more focused on human impact rather than the evidence.
57:30they're way more receptive to considering a defendant's circumstances. Typically, it's said defense attorneys like influential leaders with a skepticism towards authority. They exhibit natural leadership qualities, but they don't like institutional power structures. As for the temperament-based model, defense attorneys say they might prefer idealists. They're empathy-driven, especially if your client has mental health that's going to be coming into it, a mental illness or some sort of dire situation that they're trying to argue is for the case. They're empathy driven. And then people that are super analytical, some defense attorneys like them because the burden of proof is on the government.
58:09So these people, they demand logical consistency in the prosecutor's arguments. They have high standard for the prosecutors. They identify flaws in forensic evidence chains, logical gaps in timeline reconstructions, overreach in expert testimony. They're very analytical. So all of this makes sense. But according to some attorneys, The absolute worst, worst, worst, worst type of juror that you can have is a stealth juror. Stealth jurors deliberately conceal bias to infiltrate the jury. Usually you can tell when they have inconsistencies in their answers. Their written questionnaire, their responses versus what they tell the judge during their individual questioning, they don't match.
58:49Or sometimes they try to overcompensate and really sell themselves as being impartial. Usually stealth jurors, they have different motivations. financial gain, media deals, book deals after the trial, ideological, maybe they have a personal vendetta, or just a lot of the times it's thrill-seeking, especially for high-profile cases. To just be like, I was part of that. One attorney states, stealth jurors pose catastrophic risk through undetected bias injection. Their influence persists throughout trial stages, often discovered only through post-verdict interviews. With that being said, I'm clearly not knowledgeable enough to know if any juror was a potential stealth juror, but there were some intriguing moments.
59:25Publishing houses have what's called a slush pile. It's like usually the big publishing houses. There's five big publishing houses in the US that dominate 80 % of the market. They have a slush pile. It's a collection of unsolicited manuscripts sent to them by people seeking to get their wonderful book published. And they're just, it's a slush. People will open up a manuscript, read one page. If they don't like it, it goes into the slush pile. It's not getting published because in the world of publishing books it's that cutthroat A female juror is sitting next to the judge and she has a high position at the publishing house Simon & Schuster.
1:00:00she says we publish lots of books 2 000 books a year and one book we are publishing in the fall is by another hip-hop artist and i know that that book contains some information or some accusations i haven't read the book i probably won't be working on the book directly but my office reviews all the press releases that go out and i saw the press release after i filled out this questionnaire so she's asked like did you find out anything else about the defendant or the case or anything related after you filled out this questionnaire and what is the book and what book is that it's a memoir by another artist whom i don't know i don't remember i don't remember the name of the author i think it's called do you believe me now or something like that and it's about his personal history and i know it contains some accusations a male artist yes and you don't remember the name no she states she doesn't remember the name just the press release she explains i saw the press release because my office we review all the press releases our different prints sent out to the media.
1:00:55So that's just one of my roles is to kind of vet all the press releases. All right. Now, what did the press release say? Just that the book is, it was an announcement that the book is publishing in the fall and sort of different topics it touches on. And this was one of the topics. And what did it say pertaining to this case? If you can remember in your mind, what did it say? I think the point or what the press release is alluding to is that this other artist has been accusing the defendant here for a while and hadn't been believed. That is what I took from the press release. Now, do you know anything else about the book?
1:01:27No. The judge asks her, considering she works in a company that's publishing a book written by someone making accusations, would it cloud her view in the case? She says, no, no. I also would be very unlikely to read the book because I work on the executive team. I don't really get that involved on individual books, but it's tricky because she's salaried. So her bonus is tied to the company performance, the general company performance, which means her bonus is tied to the performance of all the thousands of books they publish, including the book written by I'll Be Sure about Diddy. I think the list of people who really do not like Diddy would be comparable to a CVS receipt times 10.
1:02:05It's a long list, but I do feel like at the top, it's going to be 50 cent and potentially, yeah, definitely I'll Be Sure. Now, just to recap, Diddy has seven children. The first is Quincy Brown, but Quincy is not Diddy's biological son. He is Kim Porter and I'll Be Sure's biological child. It is believed that Diddy adopted Quincy. However, recently, I'll be sure states in a documentary, there's no adoption. And if you haven't noticed, his last name is still Brown. Take that how you will. I have no idea which one is true, but there's Quincy, the oldest. Then there's Justin Dior Combs. He's Diddy and Misa Hilton's son.
1:02:38Then there's Christian Combs, Diddy and Kim Porter's first biological child together. Chance Combs, Diddy and Sarah Chapman's daughter. And then Delilah and Jesse Combs, the twins, Diddy and Kim Porter's twin daughters. and in 2022 Diddy had another baby love with Dana Tran so that baby's an infant and all you need to remember at this point is that I'll be sure is Quincy's biological dad and Kim Porter the mother of many of Diddy's children and Quincy's mother is a longtime partner of Diddy but also was married to I'll be sure before dating Diddy so Kim Porter and I'll be sure are married they have Quincy Kim Porter they break up Kim Porter starts dating Diddy they go on to have multiple children together and Diddy was very involved in Quincy's life.
1:03:20Now after Kim Porter mysteriously passed away from pneumonia, that's how people think she passed away, mysteriously, there were all sorts of rumors flying around. Again, conspiracies. We don't know, right? That maybe she didn't die from pneumonia. Maybe she was writing a tell-all book about her relationship with Diddy and she was done with Diddy and she wanted to be set free. Again, conspiracies, but after she passes away, I'll be Shore is very suspicious of Diddy. He even slips into a coma at one point and he kind of insinuates that perhaps he, Diddy, had something to do with him being in a coma.
1:03:52I'll be sure went on to allege that Kim Porter confided in him before passing away and he says, she started to confide in me. What she did say is that something's not right. Diddy's soul has gotten completely dark. Like he's just not there. That's what he alleges was said. He does say, allege, that Kim Porter was writing a book but nothing was done about it saying someone got her passcode to her phone and her computer and they found out and she was writing what was going on behind closed doors. The public had no idea what was happening right in front of everybody's eyes but there were a lot of people who turned a blind eye.
1:04:24In the documentary Making of a Bad Boy, the very documentary that Diddy is suing NBC for a hundred million dollars in a defamation lawsuit, in that documentary, I'll be sure says, it was like two or three weeks prior to her murder. Am I supposed to say allegedly oh he's just straight up so murder so all that's to say the water is very deep between diddy and i'll be sure and the potential juror works as a high level executive at the publishing house that's going to be releasing i'll be sure's book the blurb for the book says tell all in this inspiring survivor's memoir that reveals the untold story of his near-death health emergency shocking ties to Diddy, romance with late Kim Porter.
1:05:06Days after Homeland Security raided Sean Combs compounds in a federal sex trafficking investigation, Albi Shore declared that when people heard how he wound up in a coma two years later, they were, quote, really going to need to call Homeland Security. So the book is not out yet. No. Yeah. So she's saying that, okay, we're publishing this book. I don't know anything about it. I don't care. I'm not going to read it. Yeah. And I am qualified. yes but i don't think she's like overly eager oh okay either i mean i think a lot of people can interpret it different ways so i don't want to put an interpretation out there because you know but you could i guess some cynical people could say she wants to maybe write a book after she's in publishing maybe she wants to write a book maybe she wants the thrill maybe it's fun right maybe she wants to take off work no or just simply the fact that the connection is crazy yes or maybe some people are like maybe she genuinely doesn't care about any of these people and like does in her head does not understand why it relates yeah yeah she's like i don't care about any of these people so obviously i can be unbiased but the blurb is kind of crazy the blurb continues people called him crazy now back from the brink of death he reclaims his power and truth in the in this incredible memoir about finding inner peace despite countless attempts to break him the last lines of the blurb read i'll be sure is one of the few still living to tell the whole story which i'm not insinuating anything but that just feels like a bad sentence to even utter into existence whilst publishing a reportedly explosive memoir which is going to be titled do you believe me now it just feels like an unnecessary potential jinxing regardless of how one feels about i'll be sure or the death of kim porter or diddy it probably would not provide Diddy a fair trial if this juror were on the jury.
1:06:53Why do we care if Diddy gets a fair trial? Because if he doesn't get a fair trial, the conviction could be overturned if there is one. And everyone should be entitled to a fair trial. So yes, justice. But also it's like, if you genuinely want justice, you need a fair trial. Yeah. She is ultimately excluded from the jury. Now, please keep in mind, anything I say in the entirety of this episode, especially right now, is a personal opinion. I've had a lot of personal opinions, great ones and some bad ones. But whatever I say does not mean, oh, this action means he's doing this. Like, for example, there will be some days where I feel incredibly insecure about the way that I look and I start spiraling.
1:07:30And maybe in a video, I touch my hair because I feel ugly. But someone will comment, look at this narcissist. She's obsessed with herself. It's like a very different interpretation. Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not true. So just take it like that. I don't know. This is just what I saw and how I personally interpreted what I saw visually with my eyeballs. with that being said I personally felt like Diddy was kind of an iPad kid during moments of the trial he was given an iPad by his attorneys to look at specifically related to the case he it's just interesting he has reading glasses and he will put them on kind of randomly I don't know if there's a method to it I don't know maybe he is reading something and I just can't see it because he's further away but it just seemed a little random sometimes they'd be on sometimes they'd be off so the first day the researchers were like they'd be on and then they'd be off at random times to the point where we're like we don't even know if there's a prescription in these if these are even reading glasses and then he would always put them on the desk put them back on put them on the desk put them back it was a very feeling is how they felt it was do i feel like i want to put my glasses on and then the second day he started putting putting them up on the top of his head and then putting them down putting them at the top maybe we're over analyzing absolutely nothing but the way that Brian Steele would kind of tippy tap on the iPad next to him, gave iPad kid, there's this fascinating moment on day one of trial, the very first day that jury selection begins, right before the jurors come in.
1:08:55At this point, it's just the judge, the court personnel, defense team, the prosecutors, and members of the press. The jurors are about to walk in that door. My researcher was like, Brian Steele reaches over, bee-boop bops on the iPad. Bee-boop bop. Front camera turns on and they just see Diddy on the iPad because it's the camera. The front camera is turning on like a mirror and he's wearing his reading glasses. And then Diddy proceeds to lift the iPad up four or five inches and looks at himself before putting it down. There's nothing deep about it. I'm sure he's just trying to make sure nothing's on his face for when the jurors actually come in.
1:09:32But it's a they said it was so weird. It's a fascinating visual. Yeah, like Brian Steele is older than Diddy, but he's over there bibu bopping on the iPad for Diddy. It was weird. Or maybe. And then more cynically, I guess you could say maybe this is all a thing. Make Diddy seem like a clueless. I don't know what's going on. Can you help me? I'm kind of lost. And all these powerful attorneys know so much. Diminish some of his power. I don't know. In another part, this was. I saw this. brian steel is putting on his blazer so sometimes he would just be in his dress shirt and then he's putting on his blazer and there's a little fuss about it and diddy is just all hands on board helping him put his blazer on with both hands so he's got his hand on the back of the collar for brian steel his left hand is on brian steel's like neck area and then his right hand is reaching over around brian steel's neck in the front to fix the collar now can i just say something i've never seen a man have trouble putting on a suit blazer i don't even think that my own tailor tailoring a shirt would be this it was a it was a lot it wasn't even just like let me fix your collar yeah like blazer is a pretty easy collar fix yeah yeah that's interesting it just was a lot of effort just like a lot of so it does okay i see what you mean like it does seem like they're have a very very close relationship from the visual this is my speculation i don't know if it's true i don't know what goes on in other people's minds i feel like this is a thing that happens during trials i think both of them are aware of what makes the defendant look good and they both want the same outcome and they maybe they haven't had a conversation about it but it seems like they both kind of play into it is the feeling i get so are or were there jurors or is it just the press i think at this point there were no jurors when he was putting on it okay okay but even for the media it's like it's a visual that seems very maybe somewhat positive yeah maybe he's like helpful fixing brian steals it just i guess i've never seen someone need help fixing their suit blazer yeah because i you know people put on suit blazers all the time on and off yeah and there is this one yawn where did he is standing up the court had to rise and he yawns but he doesn't cover his mouth so for like a fraction of a second it just looks like he's silently screaming and that was really yeah another fascinating part that i noticed and again this could be coincidence i could be looking too deep into things i could have a personal bias that makes me interpret these movements as something that it is completely not it's an eyewitness testimony it's questionable especially my brain after eight hours of sitting in there but there's this moment where i recall seeing the sketch artist she is in the first row diagonal from diddy behind and we're all the way behind her now she has one of those binoculars that she wears it's strapped to her head like a brain surgeon she's wearing that and she's mid-stroke with her charcoal and diddy from my perspective looks like he briefly glances back he doesn't shift he doesn't turn he just kind of sees in his peripheral i think he sees in his peripheral maybe he doesn't see her but this is all coincidence maybe i'm hallucinating but it's almost like immediately after he turns back to face the front he takes off his reading glasses and his shoulders roll back and he sits a tiny bit straighter it's not super obvious it's not like suddenly his back is erect and his posture is 10 out of 10 but it did seem a little coincidental like let me sit better for this portrait yes like make sure that they pay me better yeah type of energy yes now other moments with jurors that were maybe slightly uncomfortable in the courtroom i'm just gonna pull them out rapid fire one juror is asked about in response to question 13 you indicated that you had a prior criminal issue which is that you were caught shoplifting at the age of 16 how old are you now 30 30 okay and you say you were charged a fine and just generally speaking what happened I was at Universal Studios caught by security taking an item I think I was in Harry Potter world so they took me to the back and I just kind of like put me through all the process and then I was mailed a fine I got a lawyer my lawyer handled everything so I was uh it was just a fine and they put against me and I was um prohibited from going back to the park for about a year and what is it what did you take a wand okay so let's go to question 29 the question is have you communicated to others or posted your opinion on social media or online or liked any social media posts about Mr.
1:14:16Combs and you initially wrote no and then you changed your answer to unsure yeah so what did you like um I think it was a comedian. They made a joke because I guess when they went to his house, they found a bunch of baby oil. I remember liking it because I thought it was funny. That was really it. So there was a joke about baby oil and you said you liked that comment. Yeah. What was the reason why you liked that comment? It's funny in my opinion. So I liked the video because I thought it was funny. Do you remember who the comedian was? Not off the top of my head. Another juror walks in and she says that her musical interests are rock, hip-hop, and as well as quote, I'm actively watching the concert of the group called BTS or Bangtan Boys.
1:14:58There was nothing else notable. I just wanted to say that. Now the next year walks in and he looks, from my opinion, kind of like a fraternity boy, but slightly sleazier. And I say that with respect. Like this is visually speaking, because I don't know this man, he looks like the type of guy that would graduate college and 10 years later still heavily rep his college fraternity merchandise and want to talk about how he was the coolest big to his little and still go in depth about rush week stories that's the personal opinion vibe i get from him he asks the judge a question so number 11 i wasn't sure about allegations concerning distribution and use of illegal drugs so i smoke marijuana um personally for recreational use.
1:15:42Okay. And I'm not sure if that counts. So the question is asking, are you okay? Can you be unbiased if we talk about illegal drug usage? And he was like, well, I smoke. And there's a slight giggle in the courtroom and the judge tells him, well, I wasn't asking about your use. Okay. But are you going to have any issues if there are allegations in this case about the distribution and use of drugs? Is that going to make you biased? No, no. The juror, to his very fine credit, he's incredibly honest, which I think is admirable. He basically states that he might have affected judgment though, if he's on the jury.
1:16:16I use marijuana for personal recreational use, which might affect my judgment in making the right decision. Meaning that, well, are you able to not use marijuana during this trial? I'm going to order you not to use marijuana during this trial. Are you going to be able to follow that instruction? Yes. And so if I give you that instruction and you follow it, you're not going to be having an issue. Correct. Yeah. When was the last time you used marijuana? Last night. Okay. How often do you use it per day? Once a day. And I said that I would perhaps order you not to use marijuana during the trial because you said it might affect your judgment.
1:16:57Would that be hard for you given how often you use it? Yes, it would be yep he was eventually excused for cause what then the next juror walks in and these are not in chronological order but the door opens the juror walks in and he appears to be a middle-aged white man but if he were korean this is a crazy statement if he were korean i could see him kimchi squatting behind a convenience store and eating a roll of kimbap that's the energy he gives me not smoking a cigarette because he's got children and a wife and kids that don't like the smell that's the aura he gives me in my personal brain he says i admittedly don't read pop culture news my wife makes fun of me for that i have heard a few headlines few accusations just as a father of two young kids you know some of the accusations are troubling the judge asks if he's going to be able to not have discussions about this case with his wife who is on social media a lot he says absolutely okay so then just on the form why did you say that you had a reservation or concern about whether you're going to be able to follow these instructions.
1:18:00My wife, she's a, you know, she watches Sunset, TMZ. Like that's what she loves. And so I assume this case is going to be all over that since she's a follower of that type of content. And that is a little concerning to me. But he does say she's a fan. She does her own thing. I'm not around. I'm not going to go looking in her phone. If I can tell her topics that she cannot show me, she will listen to that. Has your wife spoken to you about this case or this defendant? Uh, I guess a few months ago. Okay. What was the conversation? um oh my god p diddy these terrible parties he's in trouble did he do it he did it did he do it no freaking yeah and he he was pretty okay so a lot of the jurors you can tell they're they're very soft-spoken into the mic yeah yeah he's like omg how far are they from diddy like in terms of distance two rows of desks three rows of desks it's two rows of desks yeah like three rows of desks and then diddy so like super close yes wow yeah and they have to walk so there's two doors one diddy comes out of the other one the jurors come out of and he has to walk they have to walk by diddy to sit next to the judge and then walk out right in front did your wife express a view you know her own opinion about this case no no no and did you express an opinion about this case oh my god that's a pretty big accusation he was excused from the case the next juror walks up to the stand he reminds me and this is personal but he gives me bowling dad vibes like this man in my alternate universe in my head i feel like he owns a collection of bowling balls and he bowls on the weekends is there anyone who doesn't know did he from this all these people or it doesn't appear so most of them they all know what's going on yes okay yeah and so he says he's unsure if he can be fair and impartial because the lifestyle bias you know and when he's asked to elaborate further he says i mean just the reputation that might be someone in that field what do you mean by that what field are you referring to the music la lifestyle it's very much different than the way i was brought up what's your perception of how it was different fast and loose he also says that he saw the video of diddy and cassie in the hotel however even though he saw it he can be unbiased he describes it as well you can't unring a bell what does that mean you can't unring the bell i can't unhear something that i've heard but i can separate that from what's presented here he does appear to be pretty honest in his answers like even it seems like he's very genuine like he's not trying to be like yeah no i'm unbiased it seems like he's being very thoughtful.
1:20:39If I'm not mistaken, the defense did not want him on the jury. So after they leave, after every juror leaves in the individual questioning, the defense and the prosecutors have a moment to bring up an application for striking that jury. And then the judge will either strike them or hold off or bring them back in for further questioning. Or they'll be like, as of right now, no, the defense did try to strike him. They really did not like the can't unring the bell comment. And was he excused? He was not. Oh, yes. Because I think he was being honest. I mean, there's no one that hasn't seen something about Diddy.
1:21:15A lot of jurors were excused for either lack of English comprehension or just financial hardship due to the schedule. It's eight weeks. It's eight weeks. You have to take off work. If you work by commission, if you have your own business, I mean, that's that's going to run you into bankruptcy. So a lot of them were excused for that.
1:21:44Now, this judge is asking a female juror about her ability to take off work. He asks, and where do you work? HBO. HBO. And what do you do for HBO? I'm a photo producer, which side note, photo producer means she helps with hiring, securing the location, getting the actors to there, getting the right attire, costumes, getting catering, hiring the photographer. and then they take the pictures for the advertisements that we see on the billboards. She later states that she recently worked with The Last of Us, White Lotus, Thailand, the one Lisa is on, and the judge asks her, okay, and in the course of working for HBO, have you done any work or heard, have there been projects related to any allegations in this case?
1:22:24No. Later, the judge asks her, okay, now what have you heard or read about this case prior to today? Just because I work in entertainment, I'm somewhat familiar. I've seen the video. I've read a few headlines and articles, but I haven't done like a deep dive into it. So the judge asks, has anything been discussed in your presence at HBO concerning Mr. Combs? Not officially, but I would say yes in hallway water cooler talk. What was the water cooler talk? Just that there's a case and he was arrested and he's in jail. Later, when the juror leaves the courtroom, I mean, Mark is on this. Okay, the defense, they don't want her on the jury.
1:23:02Really? He says there are two areas of concern. HBO has a documentary, a very negative documentary about Mr. Combs in the context of this case. Now, she didn't say she knew anything about it, you know, and we have to accept her answers, I suppose. And so that just gives us great concern. I mean, she works for a company that actually put out a documentary that, you know, I think objectively speaking is a very negative documentary. The judge asks the defense, what is the documentary? Mark looks over at Tenny. She looks at him. Diddy leans behind Tenny And gets Mark to lean down and whispers to him And Mark stands up straight again It's called The Fall of Diddy Are you saying Diddy told them the name?
1:23:43Yeah So, okay So they know the documentary They don't know the name Diddy leaned in and said The Fall of Diddy The Fall of Diddy Yeah She was not excused that day She was excused the next day Now, there are lots of overlap in this case it's not even just overlap of everyone has seen some news or some articles some headlines but there's a lot of personal overlaps as well one juror walks in and they reveal that they work at they are enrolled at city college which if we're trying to make everything a connection i guess that would be a connection to the city college crowd crush one juror walks into the courtroom he tells the judge i gotta change one of my answers to the questions he says my wife turns out probably about 30 years ago served as a lawyer in a case i don't even remember i think she was involved in taking depositions and it was a case that involved mr combs so she was a lawyer for someone involved in the city college crowd crush incident it was a case involving do you know how or what the the judge is asking the juror my understanding is that mr combs was a promoter of a concert and something went wrong there was a riot or you know stampede at the door and some people lost their lives and there was you know discussion about you know his liability i believe the judge later asks all right and has she ever expressed to you any negative opinions about mr combs that you can remember at this point 30 years later you know in taking the depositions and just research she you know did not have a positive opinion of him and what's crazier is he didn't even tell his wife that he was serving on the jury for diddy's case he says he went home and his wife was like hey what case did you are you doing jury duty for and i didn't tell her but he says you know this case was all over the news though and it's a big case the day after that he's like my wife came back and her colleague the wife of this colleague is also in the jury pool and was like hey i saw you know the person you work with she comes home to her husband and is like hey i saw so wife's colleague's partner yes is also in the and they just told that is crazy so then the judge is like okay got it so then your wife came to you and said i was in this case a long time ago and then he's like yeah when i filled out the questionnaire i had no recollection of it i would not want her participation to come out at some point in the future and me not have revealed it no you you did absolutely the right thing so he's saying that was 30 years ago i didn't even think about it yeah and then you know my wife was like hey my colleague's wife saw you at jury duty for the Diddy case.
1:26:17I, you can't. What? Yeah, he was excused. And then there's just a lot of other random, slightly awkward, interesting moments. Another overlap. When one juror walks in, he instantly is like, they're giggling. The judge and the juror are giggling. They used to work together at a massive law firm. What? So he was excused. And another juror, there's a very awkward moment where he goes up and he is questioned and he states that his occupation is working at MDC Brooklyn, the very jail that Diddy is being held at. So any of these personal connections between anybody is a reason for them to be excused?
1:26:57Typically, but it really depends on how strong the connection is. I did notice something, and I don't know if it's a coincidence. It could be a coincidence, but a lot of the jurors came up onto the stand, and one of the pieces of media that they say they saw before being called to jury duty is the hotel footage of Diddy and Cassie. And sometimes they will describe it. Sometimes the judge will read out what they wrote about the hotel footage in their questionnaire. But if it's brought up with a little more description, Diddy appears to me to be shaking his head no slightly. It happened multiple times.
1:27:31And every time the hotel footage came up, I would be locked in. I would be staring at Diddy. And often, again, he would just kind of shake his head no. So one juror is asked, do you remember what that still image was that you were referring to. So he just saw like a screenshot of it. It seemed to have been in a hotel hallway and the still image was of a woman on the floor and can I say Mr. Combs standing? Now the judge points out in the questionnaire, she wrote that it could be damning evidence. And she said, I guess, I guess I don't know how else to say it. It didn't seem to be what a person would want to be experiencing.
1:28:05I don't know how else to phrase it. Another juror describes the hotel footage and this is when they're questioned. A video in the hallway that was, dragging a person over the hallway and Diddy would kind of shake his head no. Later the same juror states they saw quote parties and there were like headlines in the news parties and there were different situations with people who were very uncomfortable after certain periods of time and they feel like they were drugged put something in their drinks and then they remember and then there were situations that people were abused that they were taken advantage of.
1:28:39One juror describes the hotel video as i saw the video of mr combs and this person i seen a video of mr combs and it seems like this person was in the video and harm was being done to her in video another says the defendant was shown i don't know how to describe i think he was um he's outside an elevator in a common hallway of a hotel i think he just had on a towel or bathrobe on and there was a woman he went to get her she ended up on the ground well another juror described seeing the hotel footage as quote pretty much in my opinion mostly everybody saw the video of the defendant and i believe it was his ex-girlfriend in the hallway of the hotel another juror responds about what they saw prior to this again the hotel footage yeah it's what i remember from the news and seeing those reports did that lead you to form an opinion as to mr combs's guilt or innocence no it didn't lead me to form an opinion i was basically just watching it and was taken aback or shocked and why were you taken aback because it was just seeing it was a tad disturbing i i don't i didn't have all the facts i don't know the scene itself was unfortunate that's what i meant other notably awkward moments which again this might just be my perception of things the judge will because the judge has to verify it's not like the judge is doing this intentionally he's doing everything to the letter of the law he's reading out some of the jurors responses to the questionnaires.
1:30:00It feels like when you talk bad about someone and then it gets repeated in front of them. The judge is reading, you said that P. Diddy has a lot of money to use that as description, possibly by his way out of jail. What did you mean by that? I mean, I don't know how else to explain that. On the same note, another instance, the judge reads out another part of the questionnaire of another juror and reads out the repeating playing of the hotel video of incidents above and media gives the appearance of an angry hostile person who is entitled so judge is reading these out loud and it's just like can you clarify in front of diddy and do you feel like they're i feel like okay so i was trying to watch both diddy's actually more deadpan during these moments it's usually the hotel footage that seems to get a little head shake no it gets something out of him.
1:30:55Yeah, otherwise people are like, yeah, I saw the headlines. I saw this. My wife was like, did he do it? Did he not? OMG. Not much. It's kind of just deadpan. But I will say the jurors look slightly uncomfortable. Now, speaking with another juror, the judge reads, just to remind you the question about have you read, seen or heard anything about this case? And the last sentence here is, well, I'll just read the entire answer. You said, I know through the media that Sean Combs is accused of illegal activities related to human trafficking and extortion i understand that a producer of his alleges that mr combs may have forced him into sexual relations that were non-consensual and that mr combs was also accused of engaging in sex with underage participants against their will where did you get that information with this one diddy i perceived a little a little head shake no yeah i do think that it was been a very depressing week um i i know a lot of news headlines were pointing it out but the amount of women and even men that were on the stand for further questioning now because diddy is accused of essay crimes they have to ask like have you been essayed because it could form a bias that they need to at least know about it doesn't automatically disqualify someone but it's just something that they need to know the amount of people that have been essayed in their lifetime it it just is like one after another after another one older jurist states the situation was a dentist that my parents had gone to and they didn't pay them and they ended up sending me there and i ended up working for them for that it was a very blurry authority versus a person who is not paying for their dental bill i developed confusion about obligations about authority which you know i went to a lot of i guess you could call it therapy about it to become more alert and more aware of boundaries around these types of situations she was molested by the dentist this happened in the 70s another juror reports that they were essayed by family members when they were like eight years old another was essayed during college by a neighbor another their daughter was essayed another was there was attempted essay by a random person on the street and the most depressing part of it is not even just the sheer amount of people that have those life traumatic life experiences is the fact that a lot of them do report that they didn't go to the police about it i mean they don't go further into it but you can imagine it's just what are the police going to do that's the feeling one marine vet he came out he looked like a sports dad so i was trying to understand the i guess the vibe such a weird word of each juror as they came out for individual questioning.
1:33:41He looked like a sports dad. He looked kind of buff. He's a Marine veteran. His wife was also in the Marines. And he tells the judge, my wife was a uniformed victim advocate in the Marine Corps in South Carolina. She's in the Marine Corps. We both were. And he admits, yes, potentially, I would be biased in this towards an alleged victim. And the judge excuses him for cause, thanks him for his service and thanks him for being there but it was a very interesting moment of having a very buff statured guy walk up there a marine vet and in front of Diddy say yeah I'm going to be biased towards the victim there were a lot of people who have had experiences with DV one juror states that their sister was a victim of DV another had friends that were ultimately deceased from DVS.
1:34:34It's just like back to back to back. Another juror, she seemed at least in my opinion, traumatized by even having to answer the jury duty questionnaire. She was asked why she wrote no on the questionnaire about seeing Diddy on TV and then later took it back and said, I actually did see him. And she said, because I'd been through all those things before. So I didn't, I didn't want to talk about it. You said that you had been through those things. What do you mean? What I mean is I've been traumatized. It was in a war. It was a lot of things. She was older. It was lots of things. We went through this when I was there.
1:35:10She was excused. So a lot of the testimonies were just, not testimonies, but questionings were incredibly raw and difficult to get through. There were a lot of medical concerns, a lot of people that were very sick. One woman, she has ocular migraines, so she needs to take breaks, put her hands above her eyes and rest for her vision to come back. another juror has seven stints in their heart and has to take medications that would make it nearly impossible for them to come here and serve on the jury every day and i think the very jilting part about watching and listening to the jury selection questions is i feel like we meet a lot of people in our daily lives but to have everyone's life encapsulated in a 10 minute like they go through their most traumatic moments they explain their job their occupation they talk about other random facts like my cousin is a law enforcement officer i have a degree in psychology so it feels like you get a very deep snapshot not just of like the pretty resume yeah but like all of the aspects of what makes someone who they are in 10 minutes and it also is just so just depressing after depressing after depressing yeah and i think that's why this next incident became i guess a more funny moment in court although i don't think it's funny i think it just everything is so depressing a slightly older woman walks into the courtroom a juror and at least from my impression from the other side of the courtroom she appears very timid in her body language like how old is she 50 60 okay she sits down next to the judge she's one of the dozens of jurors that's going to be questioned the judge says in question 9b the question was would you be able to listen to and discuss matters of a sexual nature with fellow jurors and your answer to that was no and you gave a reason for it and is it okay if I ask you about that while you're sitting here sure her voice is like sure like kind of shaky what was the reason for your no answer I'm a very shakes again it sounds like her voice is breaking I'm a very sensitive person and I could faint or black out when I was in junior high school during the health education class the teacher brought up well it shouldn't have been but they brought up blowjobs and I actually fainted and the teacher and everybody surrounded me and said what's going on here and I was so embarrassed I said I fell asleep when I didn't and so I feel that if I were to come into mental contact with something similar I wouldn't be able to speak coherently and I wouldn't be a good juror she is excused I think that was a very notable moment in the courtroom an older woman was asked about how she responded to a question if she could be fair and impartial and she says that she does have a level of anxiety about the idea of being on the jury she says it's very unfamiliar situation i guess it's not very familiar it's unfamiliar it's an unfamiliar environment and i'm not used to being listened to intently and to having my answers matter very much in question nine you were asked if there's anything in the nature of evidence or graphic videos and photographs including videos of physical violence that would make it difficult for you to be fair and impartial you said no but you answered i cannot predict my response and what the images will be.
1:38:16What did you mean by that? I've seen people die in front of me. Like I watched somebody get run over by a train. There have been a few other situations in my life. I've seen horrible things actually happen and I was okay with it. Um, not, I mean, not okay with it, but it didn't become a second problem. When something utterly horrible happens in front of me, I tend to shut down or just kind of call 911 or anything like that. But I guess in a video, it's detached so she's saying like she's not 100 confident but she assumes she'd be fine another juror raises concerns you know the only thing that i was um and put in the prior question is that to me you have the life of somebody on your hands so to me that is this very difficult part yeah i don't know i think i can do it but it's something that i have to be very sure that that person you know yeah i will say that the media is reporting a lot of jurors just didn't want to be there and didn't want to serve i actually didn't necessarily get that being in the courtroom i think the transcripts do kind of read that way i'm sure a ton of that a lot of them just looked annoyed to be in jury duty but they didn't it wasn't like they were coming up with a million excuses to try and leave they just seemed kind of like i don't know if i can do eight weeks because i'm gonna lose my job i'm gonna have financial hardship like i can't a lot of people seemed relatively neutral if not like oh yeah I mean I guess jury duty right but there was one where I felt I'm like I don't think this woman wants to be here at all she walks in and she tells the judge she has a new scheduling conflict her son is graduating high school and she wants to be there it's the second week of June trial is supposed to go into July the judge starts asking her what day I don't recall on a Friday I don't remember okay what time of day is it uh it starts of the day like it's a Wednesday Thursday I don't recall which week is it I can't say I don't remember okay well you clearly thought about this after you did your questionnaire but you didn't go look to see what the date was or what the time was or any of the details of the event well I rely on my son to tell me these things and he didn't yet he says he didn't know it himself yet but I remember when my first one was graduating it was around this time all right where does your son go to school.
1:40:30Like where is it? In the city? It's in Westchester. They move on and the judge asks her if there's anything else she needs to change from her questionnaire. She says, um, I think there was, I don't know. So there were questions about violence and graphic. Yes. Images and stuff like that. So I don't think I can do that. Why? I'm battling depression right now. And I don't think that's going to help in my recovery, which side note, this is not me insinuating. Like, I think that's a very real thing. But then the next part, the judge says, all right, so in your questionnaire why did you say that you did not have a problem looking at that type of material i don't i was overwhelmed i didn't realize i didn't know about the case at all all right anything further that you wanted to change in your questionnaire um i didn't know about the case then i now i do what did you see uh it was um it was music it was a song that i heard about the case how did you come upon hearing this song it was on like a russian comedy channel she does get excuse for cause i did find the russian comedy channel wait wait what it's just like an snl skit vibe of p diddy oh so she's like yeah i saw that now oh it did seem like she wanted to get out of it maybe she wanted to get out at least at least to me maybe she wanted to get out of it because it's too much too intense mentally and she was just looking for any reason i think that could be the case okay okay one thing that i do think is very interesting and i don't even think there's any sort of measure that we'll have at the end of the trial for this.
1:41:56There were moments and I was talking to my researchers, so it's not just me. There were moments where it's like in the back of your mind, right? I felt like I made eye contact with Diddy. And of course, like there's other things I'm thinking about. I'm taking my notes. But then in the back of my mind, like once or twice, it's like, oh yeah, this guy is famous. Like it's just, it's, it's just like a thing. Like, You see him on screens, you hear people talk about him. And then it's a reminder of like, oh, whoa, this is the same person in the courtroom. These are the same people, right? Now, I don't know.
1:42:30I think it would be interesting to psychologically study the jurors for that. I don't think they can, but you get what I'm saying of during individual questioning of the jurors. There are so many times where it looks like Diddy is trying so hard to connect with them. Maybe he just likes to connect with people. Maybe it's for his case. he would seemingly sympathetically nod his head as jurors talk about hardships that they go through or if a juror has an awkwardly cute or funny moment he would sometimes smile i mean it's not like a big toothy grin but he's smiling so for example one juror is asked if she knows any people on the peoples and places list and she says i don't but i wish i did and he's smiling at her can you explain the people in certain places list okay so there are a list of like over 100 people in places that the jurors this is not public information everyone on that list the jurors have to go through and they have to tell the judge if they personally know any people or places on these lists i'm going to go into who they are when the group questioning takes place at least on the second day of jury jury selection diddy pivots his chair so the jurors come and they all sit down in the front of the courtroom on the right side so now they're like directly in front of us because we're on the right side and they're facing left so we see their side profiles did he sees like if he twists he'll see all of their faces and it's tiered you know so it's rose and he's just giving them undivided attention so they have a mic and they go one by one and they rapid fire like i'm 34 this is where i work they have to answer a list of questions that they're given and then they pass the mic and the next person and the next person at points he's craning his neck to get a better look at the jurors while they're speaking when someone makes a joke he genuinely giggles like they're at a dinner party and i'm like i was just thinking in that moment and i think this is unrelated but how does that affect jurors because at the end of the day i think psychologically humans are somewhat drawn to people that are perhaps famous in a way he's giving them this attention right does that like psychologically play anything yes because and then i guess also like the whole thing is they're supposed to be non-biased yes right so they're trying to not to judge him you know innocent until proven guilty and then he's here being a really good sport you know charming who's laughing at their jokes devoting his attention to them does that change their view of diddy and i know what people are going to say they're going to say if i was on that jury it would not change my view right but you wouldn't get to that point because you would have been weeded out if you're biased against Diddy to that level.
1:45:07So coming from like a, if they're a neutral, unbiased stance, does that even play a role? I don't know. Yeah, no, that's valid. That's a good point. There is another moment during group questioning where, so they all have to answer if they have adult children, where their adult children work. So there's no, I guess, conflict of interest or any bias. One of the jurors states that her daughter retired as an executive from United Healthcare. And I was, my eyes went straight to Mark. and because he and his wife are representing luigi mangioni at least from my perspective it did seem like tenny and mark ignifilo shared a look it looked like a mental note look it didn't look panicked it didn't look crazy it just was like oh but it was interesting nonetheless yeah okay so now the people and places list it's just a lengthy list so far from all of the every juror that was the first day they didn't ask personally so every juror that came in was like yeah Kanye and everyone's like how do people how does everybody know Kanye personally and then once they're verifying do you know them personally or you just recognize their name as a celebrity they're like okay yes I recognize their name as a celebrity so far here's the list of people number 38 is Chance Combs which is Diddy's daughter Christian Combs Diddy's son Laurie Ann Gibson a choreographer Kanye West Michael B Jordan which one of the jurors does mistake him for the basketball player.
1:46:24Lauren London, an actress who dated Nipsey Hussle before his passing. Kid Cudi, Mike Myers, the actor and comedian. Aubrey O'Day, Harvey Pierre, that's the producer. These are people that are like directly related to Diddy and there's allegations or there's situations. Don Richards, Cassie Ventura, Michelle Williams, the singer from Destiny's Child. Dallas Austin, Young Miami. It's been reported. So the main connection that people are focusing on Is Mike Myers? Because no one really knows. We don't know if the connection is deeper. It doesn't seem like there's a deep connection. And then it's reported that Michael B.
1:47:01Jordan went on a date with Cassie, which Diddy was reportedly upset by, allegedly. And then obviously Kid Cudi, his car was blown up. Allegedly, Diddy blew up his car. And the rest, I imagine, a lot of them don't have sinister connections as some people are making it appear. Like, I don't think this is the Diddy's list. that you know but i i guess we'll find out so a lot of people are now guessing what's next because opening statements are coming monday some people are commenting i'm guessing mark and tenny are going to focus on the sex trafficking and then emily is going to be on drugs and drug use brian steel the rico racketeering focus nicole westmoreland will probably concentrate on cross examining female witnesses alexandra shapiro is uh this netizen's favorite she seems to be the expert but i'm not sure what she and xavier donaldson will focus on that's the netizen comment and so with that we just have to wait for monday for opening statements to start so they haven't narrowed down to the 12 no and the six alternates not yet so they're going to do that on monday and then opening statements will start right after so right now there's 45 and at this point up until this point every time the defense doesn't want someone on the jury or the prosecutors don't want someone on the jury.
1:48:16They have to tell the judge, I don't want them for this reason. The judge can disagree. The judge can be like, yeah, your reason is dumb or no, that doesn't apply. But so they fight it out. Or maybe sometimes they both agree, which in that case, the judge will strike that juror. But now each of them have six strikes. They can take out six jurors without explanation, without reason. So 45 minus 6 and 6, that's 12. So 45 minus 12 will be 33 people left after they just knock out 12. But I do think that there's more questionings too for any potential strikes as well. They just have to narrow down to 12 and then 6 alternates.
1:48:58But I think it'd be interesting to see who they strike out just because they're like, I don't want to give a reason. This is interesting. So a lot of decisions will be made on Monday and I will be in the courthouse and I will be right here right after. And I will see you then.
From the publisher
Some attorneys say the case is decided before opening statements in a trial even begin. They believe the trial begins and ends during jury selection.
Picking 12 people to decide what happens to Sean “Diddy” Combs.
Some potential jurors come in - stating they’ve seen the hotel video of Diddy and Cassie. Others mention that they work at HBO - the same company that released a documentary on Diddy’s case. One juror mentions that they work at the very jail that Diddy is currently housed in.
Diddy intently listens to the jurors getting questioned. At times - he shakes his head no, he smiles, he takes notes, and he jokes around with his famous attorneys.
And sometimes…he looks back and stares at the members of the press.
There are no cameras allowed in a federal courtroom. But we were there and we want to tell you what we saw.
Full show notes at rottenmangopodcast.com
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