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2:19The prosecutors are looking for more victims to come forward that may have been victimized by this couple and we got an email from an individual that we are calling Talia and she was explaining it's not something recent this is not a new development. Yes he was arrested this year in June but this has been going on for over a decade and that is where we start part two.

2:59It is always tricky when a step-parent joins a family with children. I'm sure everyone has their own ways of handling it, but I would imagine most parents want their child to decide what they want to call their step-parent, which is exactly the case for Talia. She never feels pressured by her mom to call her mom's boyfriend John Nether's dad or stepdad. She never did. She never felt the need to until one day. Talia says that John had taken her out to run errands. They end up at like a hobby lobby and the cashier just trying to make small talk and be nice asks her, do you like shopping with your dad?

3:32Talia didn't really respond because she's so young and she's not going to say, well, actually he's not my dad. He's maybe at most my stepdad, but I don't even really think like that. So she just didn't respond. She didn't have anything to say to this adult who's asking her, do you like shopping with your dad? When they get back into the car at Hobby Lobby, she says he locked her in there with him until she called him dad and told him she loved him. She said she was forced to call him dad. She says, I did not like calling him dad. I didn't like it. It just didn't feel right to me. Even before the abuse started, I was never comfortable with calling him dad.

4:06It just didn't feel right. but now he's locking her in the car forcing her to call him dad and this becomes part of the abuse that she endures for years she's living with john nethers her mom has three children with him so three half siblings her mom has no idea about the abuse the abuse would occur two to three times a week at this point john is a photographer and talia says a lot of the pictures not all of them but a lot of the pictures i was there to take you know i was there to help make props or whatever so he would take her to take pictures. And for Talia's pictures, that was also part of the abuse.

4:42Talia says there was one night he had dragged talking hills, but kind of smaller. It's kind of like an outdoor landmark, trails, that kind of stuff. Like a public park, but almost like a forest. Very secluded. There was one day that he had taken me there. It was nighttime to take these lake moon pictures. And I still can't go back there because I remember him basically laying me down on a rock. And I don't know if he took pictures of me, but I do remember being abused at the park. There were even times where he would take pictures of me and the kids. He'd pull us into the room and take little portraits of us.

5:19So like very family-friendly portraits. But there was one time where one of the pictures only had me in a leather jacket, not zipped up, just naked underneath. And that was taken in the same hour of taking the other family photos. out of all the years that this is going on talia says there wasn't really a moment where he stopped to reflect not that that would absolve him of literally anything he should still rot in prison for the rest of his life for what he did preferably you know until the day he dies that's my opinion based on what talia told us but she says that there was only one time that she could get him to stop the abuse he had took me into our bathroom and had me stripped naked and stand on the step bladder and told me to bend over it.

5:59I was crying, sobbing, and I kept asking him why he was doing this. And he kind of stopped and said it happened to him as a kid and there was some kind of mental illness that causes it. He said that if it happens to you, you basically have to do it too. Your brain forces you to do it to other people. And then he said it would become stronger. And then he just walked out of the bathroom and I put my clothes back on and left. That was the only time I could get him to stop. Side note, none of that is true. Just because you are a victim of abuse as a child does not mean that you will become an abuser, that you will become a perpetrator, clearly evidenced even by Talia herself.

6:34That is not true. That is irrevocably false, and John Nethers is brain dead, but I will say that his father is allegedly in prison as well for abusing children, but Talia is unsure if it is from John's dad abusing John or other children. Talia says that she was told John was abused by his mom's boyfriend as well when he was a child, but she's not entirely sure. I think one of the big questions that we had was originally, before we knew, did Talia's mom know what was going on? Because, you know, she was telling us the video that she watched. In that case, unfortunately, Lisa Plum's mother was complicit, right?

7:11But she said it was very different. Talia says she hid it really well from her mom, because she felt like she had to. It's not just essay. It's like deep mental abuse. This started when she's six or seven years old. The threat started that young. Talia says there was a time where my cousin, she's like a year younger than me, but obviously we were both very little at the time and my cousin would come over and hang out. And there was this one time everyone was hanging out in the backyard. He had me locked in the bathroom with him. And he was like, if you don't do these things, I will go get your cousin and I'm going to do them to her instead.

7:44Talia says that he would tell her if she were to tell anyone about the abuse, he would kill either her grandfather, which is the person she's the closest with, or her mother or any of her siblings who also happen to be his own children. And she says, you know, especially with him being ex-military, which I saw his TikTok videos, he's a very like, he works out a lot. And I'm like a full grown adult. Like he does have a very imposing figure, but imagine if you're seven years old, like this man must look like a freaking mountain. She said it was just terrifying to me as a kid. She says it wasn't necessarily physical force all the time.

8:23Usually something would be held against me, whether it would be my siblings or something of mine that, you know, I owned, or it would be something like, if you don't do this, I'm going to do it to someone else, or I'm going to do this to your mom or kill your family. And then I would just feel obligated to do it. There was one time he did choke me up against a wall. he was like renovating his mom's basement he had rope and an unfinished basement there were beams in the ceiling and he had tied the rope to one of those beams it was one of those like bdsm rope things i don't know how to explain it but um he was trying to get me into it like basically trying to suspend her from the ceiling and i told him no and he grabbed me by the throat and slammed me up against the wall and was screaming in my face for giving attitude and saying no and the only thing i remember was just blacking out.

9:08I remember looking at one of the windows in the basement when I woke up and just thinking about how maybe I could run away that night if I could crawl through the window in the basement and just thinking about if I could do that. There were times where Talia's mom was also going through a lot. So the first child she had with John seems to have been planned. The second and third child were twins and her postpartum was really intense after. She did attempt to self-exit. But John uses that to manipulate Talia, telling Talia that Talia owes him everything because he's the one that found Talia's mom and so he must have saved her.

9:47But eventually, the whole relationship between Talia's mom and John Nether's falls apart. She says that he would just try to pull these like crazy stunts over the years. Talia says near the end, he tried to tell me and my mom that he had skin cancer, like a special type of skin cancer, that he only had a month to live and that we needed to be nice to him and I needed to call him dad and stuff like that. My mom was just really tired. I mean, for after a while, she kicked him out of the house finally. And he was not living with us the entire time. It was like a week with my mom and then a week with him because they have kids together.

10:19So it'd be a week on a week off. And it actually got a lot worse. The abuse, even though he's no longer living with Talia because she and her siblings who are biological children of John and others would go to his house for an entire week without her mom present. So two weeks of the month they were there. Talia says he had this apartment downtown in the city and I feel like it got really bad there. I guess with no other adult in the house he felt really free to do things but I remember it was the first night that I was helping him move in. There was nothing in the apartment. Only thing I think was like a futon and he had me sitting on the futon and it was just me and him and he was like if you don't do these things tonight I'm gonna bring your siblings here I mean my siblings they were probably like four five six at the time he would say that he would bring them there and do it to them instead and she's like 10 right she says I told him on the futon that I would kill him if he did that obviously I probably couldn't do that kill him he's ex-military and I'm like a 10 year old but I didn't want my siblings to go through the same stuff.

11:24So we asked, like, did that, what was his reaction to you threatening to kill him? And she says, I remember him finding it funny and laughing at the idea. And then it did not really go very well for me, but I didn't really have a choice either way. But then eventually all hell just breaks loose. When she reaches close to like her teenage years, 12, 13, she had been holding it in for the past six years. And finally it starts coming out. she said that she started getting into a lot more arguments with her mom and Talia and her mom would get into fights over different things like random things right and Talia would just be screaming at her mom and one day she just she says we were arguing and you know we've been arguing a lot and there's one point where we were arguing in the hallway and I guess I just snapped and I told my mom John had picked me up and choked me up against a wall so she blurts out the physical abuse she actually doesn't tell her mom about the sexual abuse for a while and immediately her mom was like stop what are you talking about what are you saying right now like what is going on talia says she still didn't want to open up about the other abuse it takes months but she tells her more about the physical abuse and at this point talia's mom who just thinks it's physical abuse she decides okay yeah no it's over she's going to bring the kids one last time to john's house They're going to gather up all of their belongings and they're never going back to John's.

12:49They're never going to see John. Nothing. Like John is basically dead to her. Okay. She does ask Talia if Talia is okay with going. Now there wasn't like, it seems from the interview that we had, it doesn't seem like there was an over usage of physical force, which is very similar in a lot of cases like this. It's mainly a lot of the threats, the manipulation, and it's the physical violence, not physical force. Of course there's physical force, but physical violence. right and so it seems like maybe her mom was asking because it seemed years ago and perhaps she wanted to go get her things from John's house right it seems like a reasonable thing and so she asked Talia and Talia says you know when you're a kid you're not really thinking like oh what could happen when I go you're just thinking I guess I do need my stuff and like who's gonna get it if I don't get it and like yeah that is my stuff so she agrees but then she gets there and she says I just remember I was freaking out because I thought that he would find out somehow that I said something.

13:45I was just freaking out. I was sobbing, crying the whole day. And he came up to me and he was like, why are you depressed? What's wrong? And of course I didn't tell him. I was just like, I don't know. And I don't remember if anything happened that night. I can't be completely sure, but I just remember being so scared that he was going to find out while I was there that I had said something to my mom. Then immediately when they're safely home, Talia's mom informs John Nethers that he will never be seeing their kids again, that he has to stay away from the children. She will never be seeing John ever again.

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17:11John does not listen. He tries to go see the kids. They have to call the cops. Neighbors were coming out as witnesses. John is freaking out, demanding to know what's going on. He's pissed. He accuses Talia's mom of sleeping with one of the neighbors, and that's why she won't let him see the kids. But at the same time, Talia says she was so scared to tell her mom about the essay because, you know, it's like Talia's mom's reaction is really unfortunate that they're even in this situation. But Talia's mom is doing the right things when she finds out about the physical abuse, right? But she says that I think it was just a lot of shame.

17:43I felt like it was my fault when it was all going on. He would tell me that my mom hated me. He would try to like put me up against my mom. he said that my mom hated me and told him that I was a slut which definitely she didn't but she says you know in all these things I just didn't really trust anyone as a kid because I didn't know what to believe she says the only place that she felt safe growing up was her grandparents house it was like a full town away and it was up on this hill and it was pretty quiet it's just grandpa and grandmother and that felt like home but even that John tried to ruin and tried to fully isolate Talia She says he was really big on the isolating thing.

18:20I was really close to my grandpa and I would stay maybe like every other weekend at his house, go to the church with him on Sundays and all that stuff. And there was a point in time where John even tried to tell my mom that my grandpa was drugging me and then selling me off to the Church of Masonry. Like selling her off her body while she's drugged. John would even try to convince Talia that her grandpa is doing this to her. Like you're being drugged and sold off at night. And Talia's like, no I'm not. but she also didn't know what happened because she didn't see her grandpa for like a year or so after that but she did you know see him again after but it was like a year or two gap i'm not seeing him but one day talia just decides to tell her mom the full extent of what's been happening she says i don't remember exactly what caused me to tell my mom about the essay i remember it was really late at night i think it was winter i honestly think i was like watching youtube or something and I had seen someone open up about theirs it was like um like it had been getting to me for a while just having it kind of pent up and no one to tell about it it was in the middle of the night and I went and I woke her up and I laid down and I told her she says it was like you know back then like the YouTube videos where people do the the note cards of like the abuse like their trauma and they it's like written on note cards she says that her mom called off work the next day and they walked into the police station together the next day to make a report.

19:47They moved houses to get away and make sure that John Nethers never knew where they lived. But even then he would constantly find out and send them stuff like flip books of pictures of him and the kids. Talia says it was insane. So Talia and her mom, they go to the police station and Talia says they gave it over to a detective and we had the detective's phone number. We were communicating and eventually we just didn't hear anything back. I mean it didn't really go anywhere to begin with it was just immediately kind of like brushed off later talia gets in touch with the prosecutor about something else and talia had mentioned like oh yeah i mean i've talked to like a police before because of something unrelated and they're like asking about the abuse and the prosecutor finally someone like does something she gets really upset and she's like what do you mean the detective never reached out so she's like yeah they never reached like nothing came of it so then she brings in a second detective who's known for handling cases like this he actually was known for arresting a music teacher from talia's school that had abused one of the students so talia says i trusted him and he looked through it for a bit and eventually we didn't hear from him either and then it was like two or three years since we heard anything from him we got a call from now a new detective so this is the third detective and he said the second detective had recently retired and as he was cleaning out his desk and his file cabinets he saw Talia's file and he felt like shit.

21:12He went to the detective that's taking over his new cases because he's retiring and said like, you, you need to get on this one ASAP. Talia says, I mean, it's crazy. Like my mom is definitely still upset about it. I've kind of accepted it. I think after a certain amount of time, I just didn't really think anything was going to happen at all. And it didn't really like the third one didn't go anywhere either. It's not until, um, they get arrested for completely separate crimes that they are calling to ask if talia wants to testify so no one really like looked into her specific case and it seems like i it's unclear if talia is the only victim in this regard um clearly with the ccm there are victims there probably yes because there are videos that were found so and they have been classified as ccm publicly by the detective so but maybe there could be more victims talia says she doesn't really know she does think that after they broke up that john would date other people with children like single moms but she she doesn't really know that's just like a thought i will say that there is this instagram post that he had of a woman and she's in red lingerie her face is not showing and the caption reads, ah, the mystery mistress.

22:30If only she came with cheesecake. And with what Talia thinks could be his track record of dating single moms, it feels like cheesecake could mean something else, right? But, and if cheesecake is in fact a code word and the police find CSAM in their devices that appears to have been hidden camera footage from public restrooms, the footage of Brianna of violating a 13 year old boy are they selling that footage we asked talia if she has any knowledge or anything about the selling of ccm and she says that's something i mean i wasn't i don't know when i was younger he would talk about going on the dark web and he would talk about all of this but i mean there were times where he would show me gore and stuff from 4chan and stuff and then he would show me gore and um then he got to some point where he had gotten a laptop and he set it up so he could go on the dark web tour basically and he'd go on there and look at crazy stuff so that was one of the things that me and my mom discussed actually like it might have just been like if maybe he could have sold it on there somewhere especially because he's editing it which like is a thing like what do you mean the police are saying he's editing the footage why would you need to edit the footage and so right now both john and brianna are being held on a 500 000 bond each so a million collectively and it just seems like I don't know if it's a lot more is going to unravel during the trial process but the emotional trauma that's left behind is I don't know if anyone does but it's not like it's just the story is over because they're in jail and they're going to face charges in Talia's email she says that through a lot of the work that RM does it helped her in a way and she says quote I had the courage to come forward in my case and I'm finally getting justice after 10 years and watching RM report about people getting the justice they deserve made me realize I'm not the exception and I deserve to be able to live my life freely with no fear which I feel like we don't really deserve a part in her story but we feel very honored to be part of it I really also appreciate the way that she was so transparent with us on this phone call about how she feels even now that he's in jail and he's going to face charges.

24:43It just, I think knowing these very specific feelings takes away a lot of the shame. I think people in similar situations might have certain nuanced feelings that you don't see, like being reported on abc.com, right? She says that she never saw him as a father figure, obviously never saw him as her father but it is kind of weird sometimes she says you know somebody will be talking about their parents and then I'll subconsciously say oh my parents did this when I was a kid and then I'm like what no he's not my father like that's weird I don't even see him as my father I don't think my brain even understood the concept of a father figure or felt like I needed one and to me a father figure was always my grandfather honestly so she said like she has these weird moments.

25:31She says, you know, more than the sexual or the physical abuse in her day to day now, she says she remembers like random things he said to her. Like that's what pops up. She says, I'll think of something that he said to me and then it'll just rewrite how I'm going about my day. She says that John took a lot of seemingly just, you know, innocent family pictures. And she says I can't even look at them like even though it's not him in it it's just like her and her siblings it was still taken by him so it's weird yeah but they were like normal kid pictures she remembers he forced her to take a picture and again this is a legal picture but he forced her to make it her Facebook profile at the time and he told her that she needs to make it her profile picture so that her classmates or their parents would see it and maybe want to reach out to him to get their like kids school photos, graduation photos done too.

26:24Our researcher asked her like, do you think he was doing it for money or do you think he was, Talia says, I think it was both. I do think it was both. I think it was more of a test to see if he could, like what could happen. It was really weird. Of course I never advertised it. I think somebody asked me and I was like, oh, it's this random photographer. But it was just like stuff like that he would do. She is in her early 20s now and he had been free up until this year. Yeah. And she says, I guess after a certain amount of time, I just lost hope. And I didn't really think anything would come of it.

26:55It was just all very sudden that all of this is happening. I was thinking about actually moving in to my friend's like tiny room that's out of town and just be away. Because I realized that being in the city and even going to Walmart or anywhere out of the house, I was just so scared of running into him that it would basically stop me from doing anything up until he got arrested. And up until he got arrested, he was stalking my accounts on TikTok and Instagram and whatnot. And there was one time, maybe a year ago, I'd posted on my TikTok story. It's just like a rant about my PTSD and how it was affecting me.

27:28And it was just like a really bad time. It felt like everything was really like caving in at that time. It was after getting ghosted from the second detective that was supposed to investigate and my brain just kind of shut down. I was posting something about my PTSD and how it was really bad and how it felt like I would never be able to be a normal person or function normally again. And he just viewed that one story. And I remember freaking out and like immediately blocking him. And that was eight years since the last time she saw him. So he's been stalking her TikTok for eight years. Talia says her mom is also going through a lot emotionally and she says she has a lot of guilt.

28:10She feels really bad and it does eat her up. um i've never held it against her at all she didn't know and it was such a weird situation even sometimes i'll blame myself for keeping her in that situation by not saying anything because yeah she says because it was also not good between them talia is basically saying like she feels guilty because if she had said something earlier her mom would have spent less time in a toxic relationship and like you hear a lot of stories where mothers don't believe their daughters or knew all along and never did anything. And it was just really emotional to hear that Talia's mom stood by her daughter and to hear how I think part of their process of having these complicated emotions of guilt and the way that they're so compassionate towards one another is depressing and unfair because obviously they should be living a version of their lives where none of this had even happened in the first place.

29:04But it does show a lot of, I mean, I don't even know the appropriate words that could fit something like this, but I imagine the way that they are compassionate and so graceful towards each other contributes a lot to their ability to be able to heal themselves and one another. Talia says with John finally facing charges, even if they aren't for what he did to her, she says he is finally put away and I'm finally able to leave my house with no fear. Even going to Walmart or the mall without worrying about seeing him is like such a relief and there's already been such a huge improvement in my healing so i hope i'm able to get full closure so that i can completely close off that portion of my life and just move on as for brianna she says um she has complicated feelings about brianna one time talia was forced to help john with a photo shoot and she says i remember helping him take Brianna's school photos.

30:01Really? Yeah. And she just remembers holding the reflector. And we asked, do you personally know Brianna? And she says, I actually went to high school with her. I'm 99 % sure it was her that I helped take photos of. So it is very complicated of where, like the, what the reaction is to Brianna and others. Um, 45 minutes away, actually, there is a case where just the 16 kids case, right? From them? Yeah, 45 minutes from them is the 16 kids case in Ohio, the house of horrors that everybody was talking about found in that 12 by 12 foot room. We covered the case and the Siders family house of horrors, this is like a few episodes ago, four adults, mom, dad, dad's parents were arrested after 16 kids were found locked in a single room.