Kidnapping Of 84-Yr-Old Nancy Guthrie: Who's The Man In Camera? EVERYTHING We Know So Far

26:56But they just keep saying, you know, it's not authenticated, but it does seem like there is some detail in the ransom note that makes it feel like it could be real. But if it is real, the demands are this. By February 6, 2026, Thursday, 5 p.m. local time, the kidnappers want$4 million in Bitcoin transferred to their Bitcoin wallet. If the Guthrie family cannot make that happen, then they have a second deadline. Monday, February 9, 2026,$6 million in Bitcoin. These are the two deadlines, with the insinuation being, if the second one is missed, Nancy Guthrie's life is on the line. February 4th, so this is three days after Nancy goes missing, two days before the first ransom deadline.

27:38Nancy's daughter, Annie Guthrie, gets a text message. So does her husband, Tommaso. Did you get the Bitcoin? We're waiting on our end for the transaction. Then a brief nine second phone call comes in to one of the family members. This is like usually the moment in the movies that the agents are looking for. The part in the movies where they do their best to get the family member to keep the caller on the phone for as long as possible so that they can try to trace the phone call where it's coming from. And the call leads back to a 42-year-old man in California. to a man named Derek Colella. Authorities immediately arrest him.

28:12Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yes. I'm so sorry. A few days later, this guy, 42-year-old, texts them? Yes. And he called them? Yeah, for nine seconds. For nine seconds? Saying what? We don't know. But it's a nine-second phone call. Nobody knows the context of the phone call? I mean, the police? Police does? Yeah. Okay, okay, all right. And then they hang up. Okay. So the police track that number to a 42-year-old man in California. Authorities immediately arrest him and he's read his Miranda rights and they're like, where is Nancy? And Derek pretty quickly admits he doesn't know where Nancy is.

28:50Did he send the message or did he? Yeah, he didn't send the ransom note. He sent that text message. He said that he was keeping up with the information online and he heard about the ransom note and he was watching TV and he just wanted to see if the family would respond. That's bonkers. How did he even find their numbers? Like on one of those. Google? Yeah. That is. What? Yeah. And he. I do think that Derek is all around a horrible human being. Just a few months ago, October 2025, he was accused of stealing unemployment benefits from the L.A. County's DA's office where he worked as a clerk. He was charged with one felony count, grand theft and one misdemeanor offense.

29:28Adding to that. He works at DA's office? As like a clerk. He did. Yeah. Well, he was fired. Yeah. what is going on yeah he works for da's office and he commit these crimes he knows what's gonna happen yeah okay this is getting crazy weirder he has been you know arrested and charged with transmitting a demand for ransom and interstate commerce and using telecommunication devices with intent to abuse threaten or harass the fbi has come out to state because the fbi doesn't state a lot of things but they did come out to state my next message is to those imposters who trying to take advantage and profit from this situation.

30:04We will investigate and ensure you are being held accountable for your actions. But this doesn't mean that all the ransom notes are fake, right? I mean, just because you have one imposter, he's clearly not the one that sent the original ransom notes to the media outlets, right? So here's what we know. There are three detailed ransom notes sent to three media publications that all seem similar. Those ransom notes have two deadlines and demands four to six million dollars in Bitcoin. There's no proof of life. There's no pictures, videos or anything of Nancy that would indicate that they do in fact have her and that she is in fact alive.

30:38FBI, however, is taking it very seriously and they have not authenticated it. Then Derek gets arrested because he saw the news about the ransom notes and the Guthrie family ransom. He finds Annie and her husband's numbers and starts texting them hoping to get some Bitcoin in his wallet. He is not the author of the original ransom note. So the original ransom note still stands. The FBI has brought in crisis negotiators, personnel from Quantico, and as limited the ransom note seems to be, it seems to be one of the big things that the authorities seem to have in terms of finding Nancy and bringing her home.

31:11That and six million dollars of Bitcoin, right? The Guthrie siblings, Savannah, Annie, and Cameron, have come out with a video, which we're going to go over in a second. We're going to go through all their videos, but they have been pleading for the safe return of their mother. They have explicitly stated that they are willing to pay, but they just need proof of life. They also mention with technology these days, even if they were to receive a photo or video, I mean, the insinuation being even if they did get something, it would take a lot of work to verify that it's a real photo, which has not been altered, which has not been created.

31:43I'm sure the FBI would hopefully have a good grasp on that, but they haven't even received that from what the reporting seems. And it's all made more confusing because there is a 41 minute window where the intruder gets into the house and then presumably leaves. So let's go through the timeline real quick. 9.48 PM, Nancy is dropped off at home after dinner at her daughter and son-in-law's house, which is Annie Guthrie and Tommaso. Savannah Guthrie lives in New York City. Okay. Annie lives 10 minutes away. So she gets dropped off after dinner at 9.48 PM. at 1 47 a.m the doorbell camera is disconnected at 2 28 a.m nancy guthrie's pacemaker disconnects from her phone meaning that she is likely moved out of the bluetooth range of her phone that her pacemaker inside her body is connected to which leads the public to assume that whoever was outside the house made it inside also we the public don't know there are rumors that there were signs of a fourth century we don't know right so without the pacemaker connected does that impact her it does no it doesn't impact the pacemaker or at least it shouldn't by most reporting um i'm not too familiar with pacemakers but it shouldn't however she does take daily medication that she needs that is prescribed to her and it doesn't seem like those were taken from the house like is it life-threatening without it yeah yeah okay so that's why there were rumors that she was taken into mexico so there are a lot of pharmacies near the border so arizona nancy's house is about an hour and a half drive from mexico the border and there are a lot of southern pharmacies south of the border where they will sell a lot of prescription medication without a prescription so maybe she was taken into mexico so that they could acquire or i mean someone could have gone across the border acquired such medication if this was all planned out and then kidnapped nancy if she is alive.

33:47I see. Right? But regardless, the public assumption is that whoever made it into the house stayed for 41 minutes. And there are blood droplets that belong to Nancy outside her front door. That 41 minutes, it makes people wonder, I mean, more so worry, about what the hell could have happened inside that house for 41 minutes. There are videos popping up all over the internet that have very shocking titles. Savannah Guthrie devastated new shocking revelations about Michael Feldman. Michael Feldman being her husband. Another title from a video is Michael Feldman Arrested, Savannah Guthrie Left in Shock.

34:24What Savannah Guthrie discovered about Michael Feldman left her shaken. All the videos coming out are around Nancy's disappearance and when you click on the video, it's this oddly monotone deep voice that will narrate you and it shows you a slideshow of pictures of Savannah and her husband smiling. his name is Michael Feldman, a political strategist, a man who was once at the very center of her world and now new revelations are surfacing that are putting a very different picture of who he really was, what their relationship truly cost her, and what sources close to Savannah are now saying she is absolutely devastated.

35:02This is not a tabloid story. This is not gossip. This This is the story of a woman who gave up everything, her truth, her time, her heart, and what happened when the foundation she thought was solid turned out to have cracks. The video goes on and on and on like this for 25 minutes, saying things like, People say Savannah would carry the emotional weight of their entire household on her own. Mornings when she would wake up before dawn to prepare for broadcast, come home to manage the family and still find room to be the supportive partner, the present mother, the steady force in everyone else's storm.

35:38What no one was asking out loud was, who was being steady for Savannah? The answer, it turns out, was far more complicated than anyone wanted to admit. So like AI made it? Yeah, AI generated slop. Okay, these videos never say anything. They just have a crazy headline that insinuates Savannah's husband, Michael Feldman, is guilty of something and that she has been left devastated. it's whoever is mass making and uploading these insensitive AI generated slop during Nancy's disappearance seems to want everyone to believe that Savannah's husband, Michael Feldman, is suspicious. But the internet might be doing something slightly worse.

36:18That is not the member in the family that the internet has started to pick apart. Out of all of the Guthries and the extended family members that are public facing, there has been one individual that has been regarded as a person of interest by the internet, not the police, not the authorities, but by people online. And that is Annie Guthrie's husband, Tommaso. So this is Savannah Guthrie's brother-in-law, Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law. And I would like to heavily emphasize, however, that every single public-facing member of the family appears to have been cleared by the authorities. The sheriff has stated intensely, to be clear, the Guthrie family, to include all siblings and spouses has been cleared as possible suspects in this case.

36:59The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious and are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are victims, plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you, the media, to honor your profession and report with some sense of compassion and professionalism. Interesting. Now, the only reason that I'm covering the conversation around Savannah's brother-in-law is that so much of the discourse online seems to be about him. And to be comprehensive on covering this case, I think it would be a disservice to not address what the online conversation has been taking place.

37:30And when I say online conversation, Reddit and TikTok, but even mainstream media channels, I have a pickle to pick about this. Legacy Media has taken to try and rewrite the way all of this has unfolded, which is annoying to say the least. I think there are a lot of independent journalists and even content creators, and I'm not even saying myself, but other people out there that have been trying their best to maintain a level of professionalism while being transparent about their standing on political issues, being more vocal about standing on political and all of these time pertinent issues that are impacting everyone's lives, not only in this country, but countries all around the world.

38:07They have been trying to get information out to their audiences about that, about crimes that are happening all across this nation, this country that are doing it in a way that is consumable. And there are some legacy media outlets that tend to be a bit more highbrow or depending on who the giant corporation the media company supports you have a tint of all of that mixed in with their reporting and just like how there are shit news anchors there are shit content creators however legacy media has stated that the internet is the one that put a spotlight on annie's husband tomaso internet sleuths and i would like to say that is false from what we can tell in our research there are two very experienced hosts, news anchors, Ashley Banfield and Megyn Kelly.

38:51Regardless of what you think of them, I would say that they both lean more towards legacy media, traditional media. They both come from traditional media, even though they both have their own uber successful podcast now. They are more synonymous with major news networks than a YouTuber would be. They are the ones that, from what I can see, were the first ones to put Tommaso's name out there as being someone who might be considered a person of interest. I believe Ashley Banfield stated that she is a high-level source that informed her that they are looking into Tommaso. Her words were actually a little bit stronger, saying that he is considered like a suspect.

39:26Megyn Kelly has argued - Wait, she said that she had a source? Yeah, a high-level source. Told her about his name? Yes. Okay. Now, Megyn Kelly has argued repeatedly that all the individuals closest to Nancy are going to be persons of interest because that is what happens in a case like this. Both of them have their in-depth arguments on why they believe Tommaso should be looked at by law enforcement. Both of them have much more experience in the industry than probably our whole RM team combined, likely. I don't know how old they are, but so this is not me like giving a full dissection on what they said.

39:59I'm just telling you what happened. I don't have high level sources in this case. And other than trying to trace back where Tommaso's name starts becoming a huge topic, I did not extensively follow their coverage on this case. Though I will note, I did follow Brian Enten. He is another News Nation reporter. He's doing ground coverage. His coverage has been extensive. It's been really thorough, really informative while maintaining the sensitivities of this case. So I would go give him a listen. But there is that. And all I'm trying to say is, it's just annoying that Legacy Media is saying that these are TikTokers.

40:32These are internet sleuths. These are commentators on the internet that are now pointing the finger at a beloved family member who is also a victim when that's not really how it started. So they brought up his name and then the police came out to say they have been clear. Stop like talking. Yeah, so it seems like Ash, I will say that there probably was internet whispers on Reddit and other forums and threads where people were like, oh, well, maybe we should look into the family members and ABC and D. But I think that anytime someone says something like that, it does tend to get shut down by people who are like, hey, I don't think we should comment things like this until let the investigators do their job.

41:10But then Ashley Banfield came out to say, and this is just an opinion of mine, that she has a high-level source that told her that he is being investigated as perhaps a person of interest. I think because she has such a good reputation, rightfully so probably, that people were like, oh, this must mean something. Like a high-level source that must be true. Like this must be what's happening. And so people just went free-for-all on Tommaso is how I could trace it back. I could be wrong. Okay. And this giant conversation has erupted, whether it's because of Ashley Banfield or not, I cannot tell you, but it has now been a huge topic.

41:51The conversation is still developing even after the sheriff cleared the family members. Because netizens are wondering, how can people be cleared when it appears that the sheriff's office doesn't even know what happened the night that Nancy disappeared? I'm pretty sure family members can be cleared by airtight alibis. There have been reports that police are using polygraphs to clear people, which people have opinions about, but that has yet to be confirmed. But some netizens who are married to the idea that someone in the family had involvement, they think it's odd that the sheriff can clear a family.

42:21They also think it's odd that the FBI did not clear the family. So they're just like kind of everyone's creating arguments online and I'm just trying to give you a neutral overview of the conversation. A lot of netizens bring up past reporting and past pressers that the sheriff has done. So for example, there is a comment that the sheriff made in a previous press conference where he says nobody's eliminated, but we just really don't have enough to say. This is our suspect. This is our guy. We know, you know, or our gal. We just don't know that. And it's really kind of reckless to report that someone is a suspect when they could very well be a victim.

42:57So a lot of people took that last part of either a suspect is a suspect or they're nobody, but why would a suspect also be a victim? unless maybe you're a family member. So people have been ripping that apart. But he did plead with the media, quote, I plead to you, I bring to you to the media, I plead with you to be careful of what it is that we put out there because we don't have anyone here listed as a suspect and you could actually be doing some damage to this case. You could do some damage to that individual too. Social media is kind of an ugly world sometimes. One person straight up asks the sheriff during the presser, are you actively investigating the son-in-law in this case?

43:35I know there are reports earlier this week and you refuted that, but you said you haven't eliminated everybody. Have you eliminated him or are you actively looking at him? We're actively looking at everybody we come across in this case. We would be irresponsible if we didn't talk to everybody, the Uber driver, the gardener, the pool person, whoever. The family has been very cooperative. They've done everything we've asked of them and we want that relationship to continue. And sometimes people can be mean out there and that can really harm us and harm our efforts. Netizens argue that it's very strange, especially since the sheriff has made weird comments before all of this, such as, you know, he's asked, Sheriff, you said that you've identified no suspects.

44:13Have you ruled out anyone she was with on Saturday night? So remember, Nancy went to go to her daughter and son-in-law's house for dinner. The sheriff responds, We've talked to so many. I'm sure my investigators have feelings about this one's clear or this one isn't. But no, I wouldn't say anybody's ruled out yet because what if I rule out something and then later I learn something else? No. I don't think that these statements should be used to throw guilt upon a family member. I would just say that this sheriff is not the most clean cut with his words. He's not very meticulous in the way that he answers reporters' questions.

44:46He does seem kind of all over the place. I see. There was like one day where he did a huge media tour where he was on like five different news stations and he's like saying slightly different things on each one. And it's not like he doesn't know the case. It just seems like he's choosing different words that could be interpreted differently. And it just made everybody more confused. So instead of doing one press conference, he just made it confusing. But with that statement, he could be talking about other people that Nancy was with Saturday that we just don't know about.

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48:01Nancy's last hour is being seen alive. January 31st, Saturday. 5.32 p.m., Nancy gets an Uber to her daughter Annie's house for dinner. She takes an Uber there, she can't drive, and once she gets there, she hangs out, plays games, and hangs out, eats dinner, and then around 9 48 p.m tom nancy's son-in-law tomaso drops her half at home and i think she has some sort of smart garage because there's indications that the garage door closes at 9 50 p.m so i'm sure if there's a log it's like a smart door then four hours later the doorbell disconnects and then at 2 12 software detects someone on camera and then 2 28 a.m her pacemaker disconnects from her phone so again 41 minutes now the rest of the night continues the next morning is sunday morning nancy goes to her friend's house and i assume that she ubers there and they all watch savannah guthrie's church in new york city i guess it's like a mega church they do live streams so she watches that live streams with like her buddies like you're saying every sunday yes so she doesn't go to a church physically but she goes to like her girlfriend's house and they all watch the live stream of a church service now she doesn't show up for that live stream and they start calling Annie because they're like your mom didn't show up where is she Annie goes to Nancy's house and seven minutes later they call 911 Annie has been under fire by commentators online because I mean there's like a whole theory about the pacemaker so the pacemaker a lot of people in the medical field have come out on reddit and I mean take this with a grain of salt again I don't know anything about pacemakers but they're saying that when you have an elderly person connected to a pacemaker, the closest living family member also is connected to their pacemaker.

49:49So if the pacemaker disconnects or something happens, the closest living relative will get an alert of that. Like what good would it do if Savannah Guthrie gets an alert of that in New York City? She's going to fly to Arizona. Like by that point, a lot can happen. So would it not make sense that it would be Annie that gets an alert on her phone? And maybe she didn't see it at two in the morning, but how come she didn't react before the church lady said something? That's been like a social media conversation. We don't even know if Annie is connected to her pacemaker like that. She could not be connected to her pacemaker for whatever reason.

50:24So it's just like every little thing because we're going on over a month now. I think people have so little information this case has been shoved in all the headlines so it's almost like it the way that i guess to most graciously describe it is it's a case that is non-stop on the news for a month and so people will read the news get invested get emotionally invested and then there's so little information i think people start just making up their ideas of what happened so i'm just going to run through all the things that people think are suspicious about Annie and Tommaso and this is just me being comprehensive about the internet coverage.

51:08It is not me saying that I think that they're involved or that they should be looked at as persons of interest. I think the investigators will hopefully know what they're doing better than I am. There was intense FBI presence around Annie Guthrie's house at one point. Agents were going door to door to ask for consent to search people's properties near Annie Guthrie's house. They were allegedly looking in sheds going under fences. One neighbor reports to the media that they were searching for something that could have been dropped. Or at least that's what the FBI agents told her. Could have been dropped?

51:39Yeah. So a lot of people are saying, oh, why would they look into Annie Guthrie's house unless there's something weird there? The argument here is, I mean, that was the last place that Nancy was before going home. Of course that they would want to search it. That's just being thorough. Another thing is, you don't know who is in any of these homes. So the fact that they're searching Annie Guthrie's house does not mean that the authorities are suspicious of Annie Guthrie or Tommaso or anybody else. It could be anybody that enters that house. And this is an assumption seeing drone footage, news coverage, at least outside of Nancy Guthrie's house.

52:12There's probably housekeepers, caretakers, maintenance men, pool cleaners, landscapers. I mean, it's a big house and she is an 84-year-old woman. She probably has a lot of people come and tend to the grounds. that could mean that someone connected to those people could be involved. So a lot of experts are weighing in on this case and they're saying if you really do kidnap a wealthy individual for ransom it's usually someone who knows the people personally and that's not to say it's a family member but let's say you have a housekeeper and maybe it's not the housekeeper but that housekeeper saw you go on a shopping spree when you you came home the housekeeper saw how much money you spent or all the new things in your house all the time and they they don't care but they go home and over dinner they're like oh i have this one client who just like every day they're going out and spending so much money or they just like have so much jewelry it's crazy yeah it's the third party and their cousin is like oh that's very interesting how much jewelry do they have okay so they could be searching annie guthrie's home not because of annie guthrie but because annie guthrie could also have housekeepers who talk or she could have groundskeepers who talk and in defense of the family members there is no warrant to search annie guthrie's house it's been publicly stated that annie and her husband have consented to a search of their home the search could be nothing just because like i said nancy was at their house the night before But one officer who worked in a lot of cases says, when you suspect someone, you never want to do a search with consent.

53:51You want a warrant. Because once it goes to trial, they could be like, I never gave you consent. What are you talking about? So this police officer is saying that the fact this is a consent search. Yes. Meaning they're not like really a person of interest. Yes. But, you know, there are other officers who are fighting back saying, well, sometimes not really. and then you have other people saying it could also be a sealed warrant and they did consent you know like we don't really have proof that there's no warrant but i do think it's interesting and i would imagine that they did consent to the search so but that is okay going back to what this officer said if it's a consent search what happens with the evidence you can deny i mean it's most likely it's still going to be admissible but he's just saying it's a headache because then you have lawyers being like my client never consented to a search i see and then you're like okay now it's like a headache now you got to bring in more officers to testify it's like it becomes a thing so it seems like some practice that they do where they're like let's avoid the headache get a warrant you know okay so that has been a huge issue the next thing is that for the longest time tomaso was just mia a lot of people found it weird that tomaso was not in the videos with with the Guthrie siblings pleading for Nancy's return.

55:09I don't think that that's weird. I would imagine Annie and Tommaso do have a child together. Perhaps while Annie is dealing with this, he could be with their child. I mean, that would make the most sense in my mind. But a lot of people took his absence away from the public eye or being vocal about this case as him being guilty. Then the next time that he was seen was a recent memorial walk where Savannah Guthrie, Annie Guthrie, and Tommaso went to Nancy's house. So people had laid out all these yellow flowers all around the perimeter of the house. Neighbors, media. I mean, just some people had trekked, made a journey to come to Nancy's house to lay out yellow flowers.

55:51Whether they have a personal story of their own, I'm not sure. But they went to go pay their respects to, I guess, maybe the people that have shown support. and people have been overanalyzing Tommaso's walk, his gate. So the ring doorbell footage, the Google Nest footage, there is a part where the person leans down to pick up the foliage to try and cover the doorbell. People are like, look at Tommaso when he leans down to like put the flowers down. People are just, there's like so much that is going on and people are using this. They're like taking screenshots, comparing the screenshots. and when you do things like this, it feels like it has evidentiary value, but it probably doesn't.

56:35I mean, I think at any point you could probably screenshot my walk into looking like something else. It just, yeah, it's a lot that's happening. And I'm not saying I know Tomasso and that he's for sure innocent. I'm just saying it's a little dangerous to do that with someone who is a relative of the family member with as little information that we have. Second, there is another thing that has been overanalyzed is the fact that the sheriff originally came out to say, okay, so after going to dinner, Nancy was dropped off by Tommaso. Then he later changes it to say by a family member. So people are like, why is he taking the heat off of Tommaso unless he wants Tommaso to talk to him more or to feel less pressure from the public?

57:17And I just think maybe he's just saying that because people have been bullying Tommaso. Then federal agents with shirts that read ICAC on their shirts are seen going into Annie and Tomas's house. ICAC? Yes. So that is Internet Crimes Against Children, which sounds shocking. However, a few things to note. The division ICAC, they're actually a unit within the feds that deal heavily with kidnappings, and they're really adept at retrieving data from devices. It doesn't have to be that they particularly think that someone is committing crimes against children in this house. It's literally they're just helping with the kidnapping.

57:58Furthermore, when they walk into Annie and Tommaso's house, they're seen walking in with a tripod and a ring light. So then the natural insinuation is that they're helping the family film the Instagram videos where they are begging whoever took Nancy to bring her back. So the very first family video shows Savannah, Annie and Cameron sitting together on a couch. Savannah and Annie start speaking. They have papers in front of them. Savannah Guthrie is in the middle and she starts. and I'm going to insert this for the video watchers. On behalf of our family, we want to thank all of you for your prayers for our beloved mom, Nancy.

58:32We feel them and we continue to believe that she feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She's funny, spunky, and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses. She loves fun and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of kindness and knowledge. talk to her and you'll see and then annie begins the light is missing from our lives nancy is our mother we are her children she is our beacon she holds fast to joy in all of our in all of life's circumstances she chooses joy day after day despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief we are always going to be merely human just normal human people who need our mom mama mama if you're listening we need you to come home we miss you then back to savannah our mom is heart and our home she is 84 years old her health and her heart is fragile she lives in constant pain she is without any medicine she needs it to survive and she needs it not to suffer we too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media as a family we are doing everything that we can we are ready to talk however we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen Please reach out to us Mommy, if you are hearing this, you are a strong woman You are God's precious daughter, Nancy We believe and know that even in this valley, he's with you Everyone is looking for you, mommy, everywhere We will not rest, your children will not rest until we are together again We speak to you every moment and we pray without ceasing We rejoice in advance for the day that we hold you in our arms again We love you, mom After this video comes out, the internet does what it does, and they start making commentary on the video itself.

1:00:21Not the situation, but the video. Stating that Savannah seems emotional. She's audibly crying. How about Annie and Cameron? They seem less emotional. Cameron barely speaks. And when Annie does, her tone and voice seem devoid of any emotion. These are just some of the things on the internet. They start feeling suspicious about this. I will say that it's pertinent to note that this is most likely how they were told to film the video. as neutral, as unemotional as possible, while still sounding sincere. If someone is out there with Nancy, everything in this video could be used against them, like not in the court of law, but could be used to harm them.

1:00:59A lot of hostage takers, kidnappers, they get off on the power dynamics and they, you know, getting off can mean a lot of things. If they see the family is hysterical and absolutely desperate, it can signal to the abductor that they have enormous control. So maybe they'll escalate their demands. They'll extend the timelines. They'll push their luck and that could result in a death. One negotiator states, when emotions run high, both families and the kidnappers are more likely to make impulsive, dangerous choices. If you can't control your own emotions, how can you expect to influence the emotions of another party?

1:01:32And I think everybody reacts to stress differently. So while Savannah may show more outward emotion, slightly more, it could be very well that Annie and Cameron, in order for them to not be overly emotional in the video, which is what they're instructed to do probably, maybe the only way is to completely shut off all the emotion. And just kind of stare off and read what they've been told to read in a flat effect because otherwise they're going to sob. It could be that. Like, we really don't know. Cameron, Nancy's son, later does a video by himself where he is seen holding the camera and he states, again, without much emotion, he states, This is Cameron Guthrie.

1:02:11I'm speaking for the Guthrie family. Whoever is out there holding our mother, we want to hear from you. We haven't heard anything directly. We need you to reach out and we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward. But first, we have to know that you have our mom. We want to talk to you and we are waiting for contact. But it's been now over a month. Nancy Guthrie needs medication to stay alive and there's been no ransom paid, no further contact, at least that we know of, and no sign of Nancy Guthrie anywhere. And that is where I leave you with part one, the audio podcast for the Nancy Guthrie case.

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