Married Google Engineer Cheats With Ex, Gets Rejected, Then Kills Wife With His Bare Hands

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1:22as Google software engineers, each making$200 ,000 to$300 ,000 a year in total compensation. They can afford a$2 million house in San Francisco. They're 20 minutes away from the Google campus. And what appears to be a very aspirational life between two 27-year-olds turns out just to be the worst case scenario for Ivy, the wife. She starts going through her husband's devices and she finds a Google document that he has where he is using this Google Doc to cheat on his wife with his ex-girlfriend, his first love high school girlfriend, on and off high school college girlfriend for months. He even secretly meets up with her around their wedding anniversary and there's messages talking about how he wished he could have married her instead, how he wanted to buy a house with her before he married Ivy and she rejected his request.

2:16So that's the only reason he married Ivy. There's all of these conversations. Ivy sees that Google document and she leaves a comment with her Google account, which reads, I hate you. I hate all of you. And within a few weeks, by the end of that week, she is found dead in their shared home in San Francisco. And Tony is found in a, what has been described by authorities as a catatonic state covered in his wife's blood. and he refuses to talk about what he did and why he did it until he's taken to trial, which is what we're going to cover in part two. The whole time during Tony and Ivy's marriage, he's obsessed with the idea that she's just not good enough for him.

2:59And it's really bizarre. Like he talks to his friends about how Ivy does not make as much as him. He also talks about how Ivy doesn't make as much as some of his friends' wives. But the only reason that she's not even making as much as his friends' wives is because she moved to Google instead of staying at Amazon where she was up for that promotion. And Google engineers, they're ranked from L3 to L10. So like Ivy was an L3. Tony was an L4 engineer. L10 is the highest. Yeah. So he's not even like an L9 and she's an L3. And total comp for an L3 engineer is still probably around like 220 ,000 a year.

3:35L4 is around 312 ,000 a year. so it's not like he's making i mean it is a lot of money but it's not enough to be like we're just getting by you need to make more money it doesn't make any sense a mutual friend of there says whenever tony would say those things to ivy she would just be down and you could tell it's not like she would have an outburst she never lashed out which nobody would be upset with her if she did but she just would feel really hopeless is the feeling ivy's friend wong and wong's husband know all of this so the morning after the most uncomfortable dinner wong and her husband are both texting and calling both tony and i'd be like hey last night was awkward but like are you okay um hello they're getting no response and it's making wong really uncomfortable i mean they clearly feel so uncomfortable that she's like get up like we're gonna go we're gonna go drive to their house again and see if they're okay so this is like the second time in less than 24 hours They're like, I'm going to go to her house and we're going to see what's going on.

4:37When they get there, it's the same as last night. So Tony and Ivy's cars are parked outside in the driveway and they go to ring the doorbell. Nobody is answering. Wong is like pushing her face up against the window and she feels like she sees a figure inside, but they're not moving. So she's like, it seems like a shadow. It seems like the shadow of a person, but they're so immobile. She's like, I don't know what that is. And I was just inside that house. I don't think that they had a random piece of furniture that looks like that in there, but she's so confused. She doesn't know what to do. And so she does something that is, I do have to note, I think a lot of traditionally Chinese people are not the quickest to call the police.

5:17I think they're not the quickest to escalate. Right. But I think that goes to show like Wong is feeling very uncomfortable. She's like, no, this is not just me seeing like a figure in the window and I'm like hallucinating. she's like something's weird and she's i think the reason that um okay this is like some nuance in context i'm not saying that this is what i would do or you should do in this situation but i think for these types of friend groups when they're all in tech and they all have these very prestigious jobs to call the police and to cause a commotion do you know if they're citizens or they're with they're not they're all with an hb1 visa right so involving any legal system will be very complicated yeah and then imagine like the police show up and your friends are fine it's almost like okay i'm so sorry i was so dramatic and i think most friends would be okay with it i think ivy would have been fine with it but it's just it takes a lot to call the police in this type of situation and wong is like no i need to call the police like something is weird and i'm telling you something is weird but she doesn't know what she's seeing like did she what what like you say she sees a figure or see something she she thought she saw a figure it's unclear and she's like but I just feel like somebody's inside but they're not getting the door and their cars are outside and I thought I saw a figure but it was very immobile so it's not moving so I'm like I can't tell you it's one of them but I feel like somebody's inside the house okay so like why would they not open the door if somebody's inside the house and even last night after their fight they open the door so it's not like they're not gonna open the door and be like hey why are you here we're fighting don't come unannounced at least Ivy would open the door and be like not right now like let me call you later.

6:56But nobody's opening the door. She calls the police. Police come. They're searching through and they're like going through the house. They're doing a sweep because it's a wellness check. So they're, you know, searching around the perimeter of the house first. They walk to the backyard and they also see a figure. So they're like, OK, something's a little strange. Let's let's break through the back door on the main floor. Yeah. They see like movement. Oh, so they're like, OK, this is weird. Let's kick in the back door. And then they don't see that movement anymore on the first floor they go up to the second floor and they see tony on his knees covered in blood like i feel like covered is a word that gets thrown around around in a lot of cases but he was like drenched in blood the whole room was drenched in blood this house was dubbed the murder house in the bay area because it that whole room the carpets the walls everything had blood splatter everywhere in to a degree where it almost doesn't make sense the way that the police describe it it almost seems like how can there be that much blood and he's on his knees and he is he's got his hands in the air and he's just staring at ivy's body ivy is laying on the ground next to him and she is she has like dried matted blood all over her face her face is unrecognizable.

8:18And it's, I think the part that was the most alarming for authorities is her face is not unrecognizable through, typically bullet wounds will make a face unrecognizable. There's no gun involved. There's no knife involved. There's no weapon involved. Tony had punched his wife to death with his bare hands and she's unrecognizable from the force of his punching. He punched her repeatedly until she died. And when she was gone and he was sure that she's dead, he continues punching her. Two months before Ivy's murder, Tony has a lunch date at Google. Google has those cafeterias and he's going to be meeting his white rose, his ex-girlfriend, Zhang the ex-girlfriend.

9:01She's visiting from Seattle, which like I said, she works at Waymo. And she just ended her engagement to her fiance who worked at Google DeepMind. she's technically single but she knows that tony is married to ivy she knows this this is not like up for debate he's not like oh we're separated right now she knows that he is actively married and during this google cafeteria date where tony works at google is she here for work trip or personal trip personal trip for her birthday oh so she's like i'm gonna go to california for my birthday because i want to see a concert and he's like hey you should come to the fucking google cafeteria and meet me for lunch this is where tony works this is where his wife ivy works yeah and he's just meeting up with his ex-girlfriend eating lunch it's audacious it's ballsy it's likely the two of them are sitting there reminiscing about their past i mean there's got to be people who know both of them who are like hey i don't know why your husband's having lunch with some random girl in the cafeteria that's crazy what what what made him feel so ballsy of doing that there are multiple speculations one i think that he just genuinely does not care about his wife second And I think that he was worried that if he left Google campus to go meet Jiang the ex-girlfriend, Ivy would have found out.

10:13Maybe they have Find My Location on, maybe something like that. And then third, he's still trying to convince Jiang the ex-girlfriend to transfer to SF to join Google. He's like, I'll refer you. He keeps trying to, in the Google Doc, he's like, I can get you a referral. I can get you a job. Why work at Waymo when you can come work here? So this is like him showing her the work environment. Yeah. and they're reminiscing about their past, which their past relationship is just, it's okay. I mean, they both started dating in high school at Chengdu No. 7 High School. They both get into Tsinghua University, but Jiang, the ex-girlfriend, is the type where she just seems like she really liked breaking up with him because he's obsessed with her.

10:52So she doesn't really, and I mean this with as much disrespect as I could probably have for this type of situation, she seems like the type of girl that will break up with him because she knows that he's always going to be around but the minute that he starts loosening his obsession with her or starts dating somebody else she starts going in and feeding him some attention brings him back and then she pulls away and then the minute that he starts diverting his attention she goes back and says some things that's the energy that she gives me and honestly she is kind of a bitch even the way that she testifies I don't think she's the villain in this story because ultimately at the end of the day tony is the villain in this story but she's also like everyone is like she's crazy yeah for her to show up in even at the google cafeteria knowing that you know his wife works here too yeah that's crazy even if you you know like like she knows what's gonna happen if the wife walks in and she's she is the type that she kind of is just keeping tony around because he might be her best bet.

12:00So she's back because her best best bet ended up getting arrested for soliciting sex workers at the massage parlor. So the way that it happened was she just keeps breaking up with him all throughout high school and college. Then the Tony and Ivy go to UC San Diego. She goes to Carnegie Mellon for her master's. So they all come to the U.S. around the same time, but they're in different areas. So she's at Carnegie Mellon. She's in Pennsylvania and then he's in California. Naturally, they're not keeping in touch as frequently, but she'll reach out when she feels like he's not reaching out. But then she meets her fiancé, better background than Tony's, wealthier family than Tony's.

12:38He got sent to this international school that would cost his family$400 ,000 to get his undergrad degree. What kind of school is that? It was like a whatever school. Oh, so they just cash in? Yeah, just throwing money. Okay. And so she starts dating him. Tony finds out that she's dating a guy that is above his caliber. And he almost forces himself to move on. And he immediately starts dating Ivy. And a lot of people think that the relationship escalated so quickly. Nobody said it, but they felt like he was using Ivy to try to make Jiang the ex-girlfriend jealous. Trying to comfort himself. It just felt like a rebound situation.

13:19But nobody would question it. So Tony is the one that actually pursues Ivy aggressively at UC San Diego. And the whole time, he's still kind of talking to Jiang the ex-girlfriend. Eventually, they go to SF. Jiang the ex-girlfriend and her fiancé go to Seattle. And again, I just want to reiterate, all four of them work at Alphabet. And this is really important later because Tony has a full-blown meltdown about all of this. So all of them technically work for the same parent company, even though they're in different cities and they work for different companies. Now, Tony and Ivy get married. Tony explains to Jiang the ex-girlfriend, it's mainly because, quote, the girl wants to get married.

13:55So he's like, I don't even really. And then you didn't want to get married. And the girl wants to get married. So I'm just going to get married. They get married. They purchase a house, putting$500 ,000 down. They finance the rest through a mortgage. They get two cats. And Jiang the ex-girlfriend in Seattle gets engaged. Then they start reminiscing here and there about their relationship. She breaks the engagement because her fiance gets arrested. Then she comes up with this whole Google Doc, sends it to him. and then after they've been talking for like a month on the google doc this is october 2023 she starts being like you know what i am going to make a trip to california for my birthday which is in november and i'm gonna go there for a concert and if you want to meet up with me then let's meet up wait so she sent this google doc to him yes instead of texting him yeah or emailing him and then you know it's very clear they're secretly chatting yeah and she reached that secretly to chat yeah and a google doc is crazy like if you want to say send a goodbye message convert it to a pdf email it mail a letter what why are you sharing a google doc yeah it's so bizarre yeah and even if i get a google doc i don't think about talking to someone's google doc i would just text them and be like okay that was weird yeah but yeah so they start texting during this google doc and a month later a month in in november during tony and ivy's wedding anniversary anniversary, Zhang the ex-girlfriend travels to California to attend this concert for her birthday.

15:21Before leaving Seattle, she makes plans to see Tony while she's in California, and she admits the whole reason of wanting to even go to California to this specific concert was because she wanted to see Tony. She says that straight up. And that's how she ends up at the Google cafeteria eating lunch with her high school college ex-boyfriend. Two days later, when Zhang the ex-girlfriend is going to fly back home to Seattle, they meet once again, and he offers to drive her to the airport. She's like, okay, fine. So he drives her to the airport and he wants to say goodbye. Jiang, the ex-girlfriend, concocts a story that nobody believes on the witness stand when she testifies later.

15:57And she says that he kissed her on the cheek and she felt it was very uncomfortable. She did not consent to that. What? Yeah. But then later stories come out from an airport worker who was like, no, I remember that couple. And they were just like lingering the whole time, just like hanging out lingering so they're just saying i mean maybe she didn't consent to a kiss on the cheek but it just like the whole energy was weird like they were all over each other kind of vibe oh you did so much worse than like that kiss i feel like right so he kisses her on the cheek and it was just she claims it was not okay and she was just utterly surprised by it they part ways and it feels like tony doesn't even care about ivy finding out because she does not expressed to him in that moment when he kisses her on the cheek like that was not okay that was uncomfortable you shouldn't have done that and again this is not me saying like oh this was consensual it's yeah it's just weird it's weird the airport employee is like what are you talking about like you guys were kind of all but like you know what whatever and she's like no i was highly uncomfortable and there's a lot of reasons that she might want to say this in the courthouse anyway she says she doesn't tell him at the airport that that made her uncomfortable so she just like leaves.

17:08He's under the impression things went really well because he kissed her on the cheek. They hung out. They spent time together. He goes back home. He doesn't even seem stressed about the idea that his wife is going to find out that he was just at the airport, even though it's around their second year anniversary. He's busy with his ex-girlfriend. And also the timing itself does not seem coincidental. Jiang, the ex-girlfriend, came to California for a concert for her birthday. Her birthday is November 21st Tony and Ivy got married November 22nd A lot of people think that Tony intentionally timed the wedding to coincide with Zhang the ex-girlfriend's birthday So she would always have to think about him and his marriage during her birthday Yeah, I can see that Yeah Just the way that he's so obsessed over her Yeah

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19:55When Tony gets back home from the airport, Ivy is waiting for him. She saw his location at the airport. And she knew from social media that Zhang, the ex-girlfriend, was in town. Tony was at the airport. She's putting it together pretty quickly. She's a very intelligent woman. and that tells her all she needs to know. But she's very pissed off about the fact that when he walks in, coming back from the airport, like she's already upset. He walks in wearing the jacket that she bought him. Who? Ivy. So Ivy had bought Tony a jacket and he wore it to drop off his ex-girlfriend at the airport. They start arguing.

20:28She suggests like, why don't we just get a divorce? Like we're literally tormenting each other. It doesn't even make sense. If you love your ex-girlfriend so much, go be with her. Don't involve me. and she had disclosed a lot of this information to her friend wong so she's like i just genuinely don't get it like why are you involving me because this is happening in november so this is two months before her death she's like i don't know why you have to involve me just go be with her like why sneak around go be with the love of your life i don't care like let's get a divorce so tony's like okay yeah that's exactly what i want to do except within a few hours into their fight tony gets a message from jang the ex-girlfriend where she lands in seattle and she's like hey by the way i was really uncomfortable about that airport kiss and like i never want to see you again what i don't know tony realizes that he can no longer get back together with jang the ex-girlfriend his only option in his mind is now to grovel and beg for ivy to come back i don't know why being single is not an option yeah i don't know why he has to terrorize ivy i don't know he's just not the type to break up with someone and do something as big as separate their assets sell the house he likes to have a bigger exit plan is how people describe him it seems like he's only willing to divorce ivy if that means he's gonna yeah and he's gonna get something out of the divorce right which is maybe the ex-girlfriend he gets to marry her but he starts making up excuses about how this airport was the last true goodbye like him saying goodbye one last time they will never ever be in each other's lives again he like just wanted to get closure from his ex-girlfriend he omits he never mentions this kiss.

22:02Never mentions it. Or the fact that Jiang, the ex-girlfriend, was like, I never want to see you again. He never mentions it. He was like, I just dropped her off at the airport so we could get final closure. And Ivy decides that she is going to forgive him one last time. So for the next few months, they continue posting regularly on their cat's Instagram page, showing a very cute home life, at least from the outside perspective. They're watching TV, cooking. Tony is wearing his wedding ring in the pictures. Everything appears to be normal, except Tony starts feeling this really extreme pressure and paranoia at work.

22:37So apparently he made this mistake and his manager has been micromanaging him since. On top of that, this is right around the time where every tech company is just doing massive layoffs. I will say that neither the department that Tony nor Ivy worked in were experiencing any layoffs. So he just seemed very paranoid and unstable. you think the fact that jang rejected him played a big role in his yes and he starts feeling this paranoia that jang the ex-girlfriend is going to report him for an hr violation to the because they all work under the same parent company and that's why it's very important i guess like this was a huge thought in his mind so i guess if maybe jang had worked for meta or amazon he wouldn't have cared as much but he's saying we all work under the same parent company and she all she has to do is put in a complaint where did this thought come from he just had this thought and how do we know this he eventually confesses to ivy because he's so paranoid that he's going to get an hr violation and get fired because he kissed her on the cheek and that he's she's going to report him for it and get him fired he tells her in january i've been so stressed because this is what happened at the airport goodbye i kissed her on the cheek and now i'm scared that is really odd yeah so for two months i don't know if i don't want to say anything accusatory but like maybe jung mentioned it oh maybe he or maybe she's kind of has the personality where she might do something like that i don't know okay yeah and there was a lot of like conversation of because we work all under the same parent company it's going to be a lot more serious versus like if she worked at meta and was like, hey, this guy that works at Google kissed me on the cheek and I didn't want it.

24:23It's not that big of a deal. I say it's not that big of a deal in terms of I don't think a massive corporation is going to say, you know what, I'm going to fucking fire you. So he's like, oh, this is a huge, I mean, imagine a colleague kisses you on the cheek without your consent. Like, that's huge. So he starts having this paranoia and he's freaking out about it. He finally discloses it to Ivy in January and she's like, okay, like that's honestly my last straw. I want out. She starts digging and she finds the Google Doc. So you're saying they indeed stopped talking after that trip? Yeah. Jiang, okay.

24:58Or at least not in a good way. Like maybe there were messages of like, no, I hate you. I don't know. There was no affair. There was no continuous messages of what if. That's so interesting. So Jiang came over, had some hope of maybe connecting with him again. and then after that little trip she's like nah i don't i don't want you yeah but he was like oh my gosh she's back so weird yeah so he he tells ivy she finds the google doc not only did he take her to the airport he constantly lied about it oh and the google cafeteria she's finding out that he met her at the google cafeteria her workplace that she didn't even want to work at she left Amazon to work at Google for him.

25:44And she's like, what the fuck is going on? She finds out through the Google Doc that he had asked Zhang to get married and buy a house in SF, remember? And then she was like, no. So then he asked her, he wears the jacket that she bought him to bring his ex to the airport, kisses her on the cheek, lies about it. And all of this is happening around their wedding anniversary back in November. So she's reading all of this and she's like, okay, she writes in the google doc i don't even know who you are tony like i i thought i knew who you were i don't know who you are i don't even know who you really are like this my life is a lie she comments and jang the ex-girlfriend responds and instead of apologizing for reaching out to tony which is what any normal morally upstanding person would do of like i mean no morally upstanding person would even send this google doc in the first place or meet someone at the google cafeteria but they would just they would say something along the lines of like listen I've had a massive lapse in judgment because I was going through a traumatic experience and I fucked up your life and I will forever owe it to you or something along those lines but instead instead Zhang the ex-girlfriend has the nerve to write back I know how you feel when I was dating Tony in college he would always reach out to his other exes or other girls so it was like a really difficult time for me the mistress is trying to sympathize with the wife vibe.

27:07She's the one that reached out to Tony. Nobody in Ivy's position would ever want sympathy from Jiang the ex-girlfriend of all people. It's just uncalled for. You're the one that asked the married man to meet up and you asked him to take you to the airport for your birthday trip. Now suddenly you want to talk about how shitty he is and try to bond? Then Jiang the ex-girlfriend has the audacity to write in the Google doc, Ivy, if I were your friend, I would tell you to leave the relationship. She's like, if you want friendly advice from me, you should leave Tony. That's crazy. And Tony can read this too, right?

27:39Wow. And that is when Ivy comments, I hate you. I hate all of you. February 9th, 2024 is Tony's very first court appearance. It's his plea hearing. And he shows up with a helmet on. It's a human restraint, soft shell protective helmet, usually for those who have displayed self-exit tendencies. He's wearing a Santa Clara Sheriff main jail shirt. He's wearing an orange jumpsuit, which in every district, the colors of their jumpsuits are very different. Different colors have different meanings. So in Santa Clara, orange is standard for general population inmates. Red is for those with a history of violence or high risk behavior who require isolation.

28:20Yellow, and so he's wearing orange and then a yellow on top of it. The one Tony is spotted wearing is typically mental health observation patients is yellow, which makes sense given the helmet that he's wearing. Yeah. He's wearing the helmet. He's walking out behind his attorney. And this is an attorney that his parents paid for because his parents are very well off. And this is another very infuriating part about this trial is Ivy's an only child. I think there's a lot, um, I think there's like a lot of nuance and context that maybe Chinese netizens and Chinese viewers will understand more so i mean china was going through the one child policy and ivy's parents had put everything into ivy yes and she was the success story and then she's just gone and they couldn't even get to the u.s because the u.s would not give them a visa to come so the parents didn't come no they tried so hard i think eventually they were able to but they had to spend so much money trying to jump through hoops, getting attorneys involved just to try to come to the U.S.

29:23to attend these trials. Tony's parents had no problem. They came to the U.S. and they retained an attorney in SF who is known for representing lots of violent men who specifically love beating their partners. He's like known to be a, careful with my words here, but he's known to defend a lot of people who are accused of DV. He's wearing, Tony's wearing a helmet. He's almost like trying to hide behind his attorney, which doesn't work because he's 6 '2 and he just looks dumb. He also lost a patch of hair. Could have been from attempted self-exit, but it's unclear. So a lot of Chinese netizens who were in the courthouse were like, there's just like a bald spot and it doesn't look natural.

30:05So it looks like maybe shaved. It looks like something's happening, but the helmet was in the way. His attorney later confirmed that yes, he did sustain a head injury, but could not provide further details. A lot of people think that they're just trying to lay the groundwork for a mental health defense, trying to argue diminished capacity, seeking to establish that he needs psychological evaluation and treatment rather than standard incarceration. When he walks out, he has this very blank and timid body language. However, I will say that his gaze looks... Like, he doesn't look out of it. He looks...

30:35Like, his eyes look sharp. He looks like he is in a decent state. He's analyzing. He's observing. he's taking it in and during the three days oh and i'm sorry i keep referencing it as a trial it's not a trial it's a preliminary hearing so it's a three-day preliminary hearing but we still get lots of testimony so we have the police that went to the house they're testifying and then you have the ex-girlfriend who's testifying and it's pretty much for the judge to determine when the formal trial if there is enough for a formal trial which there is it just hasn't been set yet oh still yeah Yeah. So it's still ongoing, but yeah, I mean, unless, which I think it's highly doubtful that they're going to have a successful insanity plea.

31:16I think that we can kind of predict the outcome of this case because the evidence is just so, it's just so plentiful in this case that, yeah. The police, they testify of what it was like going through the house, seeing him in that state. I think during the trial, I would imagine that some variation of body camera footage would come out. I don't think a lot of the graphic imagery would come out, of course, and neither should it. But I think more of that would happen. The police talk about how Tony's arm was so severely swollen. It was almost purple. And I think that just, they're not saying that as in like, oh, he also has injuries.

31:53It was a two-sided fight. Like that's not what they're indicating. They're saying that that is how extreme the punches were because he kept going to the point where he is bruising up the entirety of his arm with the force of his punching. His left arm has some scratch marks. So there are defensive wounds that Ivy had left, but all of them are superficial. None of them would have produced really any blood that's covering him and the walls and the carpet and the door. I mean, there is blood covering every square inch of that room, really. They described how Ivy's face is completely unrecognizable.

32:26And Tony just had this very vacant look in his face. He was really calm when authorities asked him, what happened to your hand? And he responded coldly, I punched my wife. When? Yesterday. There was a suitcase. It's unclear. I mean, it doesn't, it's unclear if he would have fled if Wong and her husband didn't show up. It's unclear. But there was a suitcase. It was like haphazardly packed. Some say that it didn't really, it didn't seem like he had any thought to flee. And the autopsy concluded that Ivy was killed by severe blunt force trauma to the head, resulting from repeated and brutal blows.

33:04The manner of death was obviously homicide. There was severe skull damage, facial swelling, a broken nose bridge, disfigurement to her face that made her unrecognizable, widespread bruising and contusions on her face, arms, legs, and torso. So there were no really strong defensive wounds other than a few scratches on his arm. So there was not persistent with a prolonged struggle. But even after Ivy is unconscious and dead, Tony does keep beating her aggressively, just like blow after blow without stopping. Something to note is that Tony is pretty tall. He's 6 '2". Ivy is 5 '4". She is also reportedly very thin.

33:44I mean, he doesn't strike me as like a gym buff. It's not like he's so muscular, but he's clearly much larger than Ivy and can easily overpower her. Ivy is maybe around 100 pounds, if that. The police present the evidence that they have so far to try and bring this case to trial. They show ring footage camera. This is before Wang and her husband show up to the house for that awkward dinner. So you can hear fighting from the front door ring camera. So they're fighting inside the house. You can kind of hear it. At one point, one of the cats escape. so I don't know if one of them was trying to leave the house but a cat runs out so now they're trying to bring the cat back inside and they're arguing back and forth of who's leaving who's not leaving it's clear that the emotions are really high everything is in Chinese so a lot of the Chinese netizens and people who were at in the courthouse were trying to decipher what was being said because again it's a preliminary hearing so there's not people haven't translated it professionally of like oh this is exactly every single word that was said and like this is the this is the essence of the fight.