In short
Part 2 of the Krug family case focuses on police suspicion that Christelle Krug’s husband, Daniel Krug, staged a months-long “smartest” murder by impersonating/using a fake stalker identity, while also claiming he’s being framed.
Guest backgrounds
The episode is hosted by Rotten Mango/Rotten podcast hosts (including a narrator and co-host). They discuss evidence from interviews, bodycam footage, and FOIA/jail call releases; no specific guest identities are named in the transcript.
Key claims
Daniel allegedly created fake identities/phone numbers/IP activity, then used the “stalker” narrative to push Christelle toward him. Police say Daniel’s behavior during interviews and at the scene was theatrical and inconsistent (e.g., whispering, “Kickman” naming, month-gap in when Christelle told him). A major contradiction: the real ex-boyfriend Anthony is located and has an alibi (Kohl’s receipt/sweatshirt) making him unable to be the killer.
Notable examples
Christelle’s email about “no more Colorado time” nine days before her death; Daniel’s jail calls ranting about stolen jewelry/credit-card identity theft; Daniel’s interrogation statements and his “I want you to find who did this” outburst; multiple cameras reportedly turned off for two hours that morning.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUnraveling the Details of Christelle's Murder
1:06 to 2:15
Exploring the events leading up to Christelle's murder and police suspicions.
“How the Krug family had a break-in into their house 82 days before her murder where the only thing stolen was the spare key into their house.”
Daniel's Suspicion and Police Interrogation
2:15 to 3:18
Daniel's reaction during police questioning raises eyebrows.
“The months of planning, creating fake identities, using fake phone numbers, IP addresses, buying multiple gift cards.”
The Theory of Stalking and Manipulation
3:18 to 4:14
Police theories about Daniel's potential motives and actions.
“He took my children's mother before Christmas.”
The Stalker Email and Its Implications
4:14 to 5:19
Analyzing the implications of a strange email sent to Christelle.
“December 5th, 2023, Christelle gets an email.”
Daniel's Incarceration and Claims of Innocence
5:19 to 5:56
Daniel's claims of being wrongfully imprisoned and his concerns.
“If Daniel is the stalker, let's say hypothetically he is, why would he send this message saying, hey, I'm not going to come to Colorado anymore.”
Life in Jail and Family Concerns
5:56 to 9:00
Daniel's experiences in jail and his conversations with family.
“So in the foyer request, we got a ton of videos where Daniel is sitting in front of a white cinder block wall.”
Daniel's Emotional Struggles and Theatrical Responses
9:00 to 14:01
Exploring Daniel's emotional state and responses during calls.
“They never produced a single piece of hard evidence, just identity theft.”
Daniel's Phone Calls: A Complex Web
14:01 to 20:07
Explore the intricacies of Daniel's jail calls revealing family dynamics and emotional struggles.
“He, he, he, I feel like you have a lot more things to worry about right now.”
Daniel's Unusual Behavior During Investigation
22:50 to 28:01
Dive into Daniel's strange responses during the police investigation into his wife's murder.
“There's just a lot of red flags in Daniel's story, but even just the way he talks about Christy Lynn, the stalker, it's like straight out of a movie before his arrest when he's being interviewed by officers.”
Suspicion and Stalking
28:01 to 32:25
Exploration of family dynamics, suspicion surrounding the stalker, and Daniel's defense.
“And it's just like a bunch of small things.”
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Investigating Daniel's Arrest
32:26 to 41:48
Details surrounding Daniel's arrest, his interrogation, and his behavior towards Christelle's death.
“I think that they were doing their job with the taxpayers pay money for.”
Investigating Daniel's Arrest
41:49 to 42:10
Details surrounding Daniel's arrest, his interrogation, and his behavior towards Christelle's death.
“Hey, did I hear there's a pill version of Ozempic?”
Investigating Daniel's Arrest
42:16 to 43:18
Details surrounding Daniel's arrest, his interrogation, and his behavior towards Christelle's death.
“and Ozempic semaglutide injection, 2 mg.”
The Aftermath of the Murder
43:33 to 55:24
Discussion about the investigation and aftermath of Christelle's murder.
“And this was, you know, back in 2016 was probably the last time that he reached out.”
Reflections on the Case
55:25 to 56:00
Final thoughts on Daniel's actions and the murder case.
“I don't think that would have stopped the murder from happening.”
Reflection on Daniel's Actions
56:00 to 56:44
Discussion on Daniel's character and the consequences of his actions.
“I think there was just a lot of effort put in, but it wasn't.”
Reflection on Daniel's Actions
56:46 to 57:06
Discussion on Daniel's character and the consequences of his actions.
“Using AI alerts, U.S.-based live agents help deter break-ins.”
Reflection on Daniel's Actions
57:13 to 57:45
Discussion on Daniel's character and the consequences of his actions.
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Transcript
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0:59Soojin Lee:This is part two of the Krug family case. If you haven't listened to the audio part one, please go listen to that. We went through the entire details of the case of how Christelle Krug was found deceased, murdered in her garage. How she had been stalked. How the Krug family had a break-in into their house 82 days before her murder where the only thing stolen was the spare key into their house. We went through the messages that Christelle Krug was receiving from her old ex-high school boyfriend that was from like 20 years ago. And we also went through how her daughter found out that something was going on in the house through the camera app that she had when she was sitting in class.
1:37Soojin Lee:She had received all of these alerts. And ultimately, the conclusion to part one was that the police are now looking at Anthony, the ex-high school boyfriend, who claimed to be the one sending these messages. in the first text message. It says, it's Anthony. But also how the police are now very suspicious of Christelle Krug's husband, Daniel, who claims that he is being framed. He's being set up. This is part two. A lot of people will tell you that the smartest murder is the one that you have never heard of yet because that's the whole point. It goes undetected. But a lot of people have been calling this case the smartest, most calculated murder in recent history.
2:17The months of planning, creating fake identities, using fake phone numbers, IP addresses, buying multiple gift cards. And it all falls apart with the acting. It's like a B-grade movie. It's like the type of dialogue that you really only read in a book. Daniel Krug thinks that the police are onto him. He thinks that they're just trying to look at him as the suspect. I mean, yeah, they're still trying to find Anthony, the ex-boyfriend. But they've also just spent hours interviewing Daniel after Christelle's body was found. Hours. All the other family members were let out early. Why is Daniel the only one staying behind?
2:52They're asking him in-depth questions that can only point to them being suspicious of him. And when they finally let him go at the end of the night, Daniel's about to leave the police station and he turns to the officers and he says, I want you to find who did this. Because I know it wasn't me. I know you don't believe me. Fine. Just don't stop looking elsewhere. Putting all the focus on me, okay? Find the fucker who did this. Just whispering. Are you married? Do you have kids? I'm divorced. Right. I don't care if you capture him. I just want the fucker to pay. He took my children's mother before Christmas.
3:33And with that, he walks out of the police station. It's like straight out of a James Patterson novel. Nobody talks like that in person. Nobody whispers like that in person. It's very odd. I also think that we as people recently have given too much grace to the phrase everyone responds to grief differently. It's true. I think it's very true. But some things if they are sending your radars off, if your gut is saying, okay, this is so bizarre. It's not even just like, oh, I probably wouldn't behave like that if I were grieving. But like, wow, I'm so shocked and thrown off by this. I don't think that we should all just chalk it up to, well, everyone responds to grief differently.
4:14the police have a theory now the way that daniel has been talking the things that family members have told them they believe that christelle wanted to divorce daniel and daniel decides he's going to pretend to be a stalker to drive his wife straight back into his arms this will be the catalyst that brings them closer together this is what they need to reconnect wait these are theories from the families the police gathering from all the interviews that they
4:39Soojin Lee:with family members. December 5th, 2023, Christelle gets an email. Hey, gorgeous. I can't visit you anymore. No more Colorado time. My girlfriend doesn't want us talking without her. She says, you're going to let cops get after me after you off him. But she doesn't know you like I do. We got a new place with lots of room on the East Coast. She said you can move in with us. We like three ways. Trash your husband and come. You know how to get me when he's dead. I mean, it's kind of a nonsensical email, but ultimately it kind of seems like the stalker is going to lay off. He's saying like, I'm moving to the East Coast.
5:12I don't have time to go to Colorado. I mean, this is what Christelle thought. But nine days later, Christelle is dead. And that's what the police can't wrap their heads around. If Daniel is the stalker, let's say hypothetically he is, why would he send this message saying, hey, I'm not going to come to Colorado anymore. and then why would he kill her at the end? It doesn't make sense. Daniel? Yeah.
5:39Soojin Lee:They're saying like, because they thought maybe Daniel's sending these messages to get his wife closer to him. So if Daniel's the stalker, why would he say like, hey, I'm the stalker. I'm going to lay off. Because that would indicate the relationship is going well then. Maybe Daniel's like, oh, she's already so close to me now. I don't need to keep stalking her. We've like fixed our problems. Okay. So in the foyer request, we got a ton of videos where Daniel is sitting in front of a white cinder block wall. And he's got a phone up to his ear and he's staring at the screen with his parents on there.
6:11Have you ever gotten like jailhouse calls with the families? Calls, like sometimes audios, you'll get random audios, but really they don't like to give these out. How many hours of that did you give? I think overall, we had hundreds of videos because there were a lot of officers at the scene of the crime.
6:33Soojin Lee:And every single thing was body cammed. I mean, there's a lot of body cam video that ultimately we would sit through. And then it would be like a one minute conversation at the end between an officer and a neighbor. And the officer is just like, drive around. This is taped off, drive around. But then we, I think it was like a hundred jail call videos. Dang, okay. It was a lot. And a lot of them is like just yapping. A lot of them is weird. And Daniel is sitting in jail waiting for, he's about to go on trial for murdering his wife. And he's telling his family, I didn't do this. The stalker is still out there and they put the wrong guy in jail because they think it's like the movies and it's always the husband and it's not me.
7:15And my kids are not safe. He's ranting. He's worried about his kids. He's adamant that someone else killed Christelle. and just like how her stalker wanted to set her up for his potential murder, he believes that the stalker set him up for her murder and nobody's listening to him. So now Christiel is gone. He's sitting in jail for something he says he didn't do, but nobody's listening and his three kids are out there and he's pleading with his elderly parents, I need them safe. I don't know where or who did this, where he is or who he is. I need my children out of Colorado.
7:54Soojin Lee:He's also concerned about Stockholm Syndrome. The kids are staying with family members on Christiel's side of the family, and he says, I don't know what my eldest daughter has been told. I don't know what she believes. I don't know if my children even want me anymore, but I need them to be safe. Did he say Stockholm Syndrome? Yeah, he did. In what context? Like they're going to get Stockholm Syndrome with Chris Steele's side of the family and just believe whatever they're saying. And Chris Steele's side of the family thinks that he's the stalker. And he's like, no one believes me that I'm being set up.
8:33Soojin Lee:He's like, I'm probably sleeping like 16 hours a day because of the depression. I sleep, I read, I cry, and that's about it. And there's obviously frustration too. He says, I just don't understand how you can put in a claim for wrongful arrest, wrongful imprisonment if you have to wait for everything to be settled. So he's like, I can't even file a claim for wrongful arrest until after the trial. And he's like, they never produced a single piece of Harvard evidence. We are in a digital and monitored age. They never produced a single photograph of me with phones. They never produced a single photograph of me buying anything.
9:02They never produced a single piece of hard evidence, just identity theft. That's it. And we're in a world today that's enough. DNA exoneration doesn't mean shit because someone can do things with a cell phone not a single photograph not a single drop of blood not a single scrap of dna not a single recording identity theft that's all it takes to destroy somebody so he's claiming someone stole his identity yeah to do this daniel's parents are completely
9:27Soojin Lee:supporting him and they agree with him but they're also concerned about him sitting in jail he says about the food that he eats he eats a lot of ramen because quote if you ever find yourself watching tv and you see a cat food commercial we look at those commercials here with a sense of longing. The collective decision here is that food commercials should be banned in jails and prisons because even horrible food, you know, I would never eat Taco Bell ever. It's disgusting. And yet I see ads for it and I'm like, that looks really good. It's clear the pressure is getting to Daniel though. On the phone with his parents, Daniel gets emotionally charged because he's in jail and he doesn't know where his collection of valuable coins and medals are.
10:05Soojin Lee:Apparently, Daniel's mom spoke with Christelle's family about it and they didn't know it either, where it went and Daniel explodes. So that tells me that they are going through the house and they're not supposed to. They were supposed to give a written list. No, no, no. You call, you text, whatever. They are not to have unrestricted access to whatever the fuck they want. He's talking like that. And his mom is like, oh, Danny, Danny, honey, I'm sorry. I didn't say they took it. No, no, no. But what they, what that tells me is that they're sifting through everything and whatever looking, they're looking for whatever is of value because fuck you, Dan, because they don't want me in their life.
10:52And it's not fair. It's not fair. They must provide a list. I provided a list. Where is their counter? It's not whatever the fuck they want. They don't get to treat me like this. That's all I do. That's all I do. I'm the one who has to accommodate everything. They want to sell the house? Fine. I have to sell the house. They don't want to let me speak to the kids? Fine. I'm not allowed to speak to my kids. Daniel's mom starts crying. I'm so sorry. I didn't want to upset you. It's not your fault. I just want to take you in my arms and hug you and mom is like i wish i could make it all go away danny wait this is this is so weird yeah is this giving like a like a movie does he talk like a toddler or what's he talks so weird there's only like one person i can think of that talks like that um in a time you know kind of like huh it doesn't even make sense why you're being so theatrical like grief is one thing theatrical is kind of weird right now like it's just like angry but in the very theatrical way yeah it's yeah it's like no no no no interesting and he takes a lot of pauses at really weird moments yeah it's just kind of odd i mean i talk pretty dramatic and i think that i might be even more dramatic when my emotions are high but the way he does it is not like a sense of dramatic franticness of like i'm freaking out so i'm gonna freak out it's like very like pauses and almost like there's an audience maybe maybe like he's try to hold it back but it doesn't feel like he He can't scream in there.
12:53Maybe he can't throw a tantrum in there. So he's like holding it down. But that's alarming too. Yeah, okay. Yeah. How are the kids? Daniel's asking. They were fine. They were fine. They look good. They're keeping busy. But he just keeps getting angry at the thought because he comes back to it again where he thinks Christelle's family members are taking things of value from the house. And he says, I want a complete list of absolutely everything. because if I find out they're parsing out things amongst different family members, I'm gonna be pissed, okay? I'm at the point, I want people arrested for stealing things from my wife's estate.
13:31And when I get out, they have to give everything back.
13:35Soojin Lee:His mom assures him that she took the jewelry box in his closet with his cufflinks. And Daniel asks his mom, did you find grandma's ring? No. Then they fucking stole it. All right, Danny, please. It was with my cufflinks. Someone stole it. And then I have to find out what pawn shop they're getting rid of all my shit at. That's so weird. What's going on? He, he, he, I feel like you have a lot more things to worry about right now. Listen, okay. So like, does he believe he's coming, getting out tomorrow? Yeah. And okay. All of these, like when you FOIA requested, they just put like jail call. No, it wasn't even like jail call.
14:15It was like public release. And there's like a bunch of numbers. because that's how they, you know, log it in their format. And so every time I'd click one, I have no idea what I'm getting into. Sometimes it'd be like his mom being like, oh, yeah, so the weather today. And we drove and like we made a snowman. And then the next one, he's like, they fucking stole it. And I'm like, I don't. Every single one was so vastly different from the next one. Like you could have no idea what was going to happen in the next jail call. Yeah. And then sometimes he's so composed and he's like, don't worry, guys.
14:47We have to be strong. And he's making jokes about Taco Bell. I see. Okay. All right. His mom keeps reassuring him. They're not taking your stuff. They're not taking your stuff. I wouldn't be too surprised if the police are listening to this call. If they stole my fucking ring, just like they stole my credit card information. The police?
15:11Soojin Lee:That's what he claims. Okay. As the murder trial is nearing, it's Daniel's brother who decides to tell him the truth. Daniel's brother is in a lot of these calls and he tells him support is dwindling. Okay. From the families? Yeah. Mom and dad want to believe you very much. I want to believe you very much, right? There's just a lot that's come out. and as imaginative as I can be with finding explanations and ways to theorize how this or that could have been the reality, some of it is beyond even my creativity. Daniel doesn't really respond. And again later on a private call just between Daniel and his brother and now us and everyone else with a pension for FOIA requesting cases, Daniel's brother tells him, I want to believe in you.
16:02Soojin Lee:And at the same time, I will be totally honest. I, from the beginning, have not really ever cared one way or another. I do not want to see where you are. I do not want to see where you're going, regardless of the situation and how it arrived. I don't want you there and don't really care about guilt or culpability or anything like that. So he's basically saying, like, you're my brother through and through, and that's how I've been since day one. However, the situation got to where it's got to, and my concern now is your support is dwindling, dwindling fast. the forensic stuff the digital data is really tough for everyone to wrap their heads around like I said even I have to go through some fancy gymnastics to counter everything so it needs some story around where phones came from where gift cards came from whatever that may be you don't have to tell me anything here I realize that you can't say things on this line so that's going to be how that is but I figured I would tell you that I'm not sure if you're going to get to talk to mom and dad again before they move you down into the purgatory spot and then you're going to be there for a month and my main concern right now is mom and dad are on the brink of financial ruin and bankruptcy they took out probably about 120 to 150 000 to pay legal fees and none of that has been repaid to them daniel's brother keeps telling him and daniel keeps the brother is like you keep complaining and being emotional about things with the parents and the parents don't have resources and they become emotional because you're emotional so they take out loans and they're about to get bankrupt and they're about to lose their car and lose everything.
17:27And he's like, things like taking the kids out of Colorado because they're not safe. That's going to be$100 ,000 in legal fees that we don't have the money for and it's not going to work. So just drop it. Oh, I see. He's like, don't even talk to mom and dad about it because they're going to want to pull out a loan. They're going to want to try and help you. But I'm telling you, it's never going to happen no no matter how much money you throw at it. Okay.
17:56Soojin Lee:There's also another moment in this very jail call, which I didn't want to interpret, but the brother, he says like, see, and I don't know if I'm dense and I'm dumb or something, but he says something along the lines of like, at some point, we're going to have to have a conversation. Will you just tell me yes or no? And it was like so out of nowhere. And I'm like, are you going to ask him like a series of yes or no questions? right like i don't know what that means and then daniel cuts in and he goes yes and then they hang up because the 17 minutes are over every call is like 17 minutes and 15 seconds right what do you think i think he's asking if you did it yeah so that yes sounds like he's telling him yes or he sounds like okay yes i i agree to that that yes we can do that phone call later or yeah so it's like can be interpreted in both ways i see i mean i mean from from what it sounds like i mean the brother is like you know look yeah i think you did it yeah and but he's still sort of supporting him or he's just kind of um from the energy that i get from the brother is he's supporting his brother, but I think it's more so out of support for his parents.
19:14Soojin Lee:I don't think that makes it any better. And what's the parents? You think the parents is in denial? Yeah. The mom is totally in denial. Like my son could never? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But I also think that there are times in the phone calls where I'm like, ooh, ooh, like these are just, like i can see why he has these anger issues because the way she's like oh i didn't mean to upset you it's like who cares about upsetting him his whole life is about to go down like the shitter are you like we can talk as adults yeah that makes sense i mean you're too old you got to get your emotions in check like we can't all tiptoe and be worried about upsetting a grown man who's in jail about to go on trial for murdering his wife yeah
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22:50Soojin Lee:There's just a lot of red flags in Daniel's story, but even just the way he talks about Christy Lynn, the stalker, it's like straight out of a movie before his arrest when he's being interviewed by officers. And these are all the things that are setting off the officers. They reference the stalker as the stalker. They're like, okay, so when did the stalking start? When did the stalker come into play? But Daniel, in the midst of his wife's murder investigation, he keeps correcting the officers. Oh, um, we call him Kickman. And he's always whispering. You call him what? The stalker. We call him Kickman.
23:25Soojin Lee:Okay, why do you guys call him Kickman?
23:31Soojin Lee:Because Christiel is going to kick his ass. Yeah. What? It's a lot. The police just want to know what happened. They're gathering intel and some of it is just not adding up and his behavior is really weird. I would imagine any spouse in their right mind in the interrogation room or the interview room would be like okay let me break it down this is the day that it started this is what we have gathered if you let me go into the house or I can tell you we have logs of the stalking like we just need to find this killer instead of like we call him kick man but the most interesting thing is Daniel says that he first found out about the stalking in November and this is when the police are like, wait, what?
24:11Hold on. Because Detective Martinez knows that the stalking started October 2nd. Yeah. Why would you not know for an entire month? The officer asks, why do you think the month gap before she told you? I'm sure that she mentioned to you that she and I were going through a rough patch, kind of on the rocks,
24:31Soojin Lee:so probably didn't seem pressing until... So he's explaining that Christelle didn't tell him about the stalking until a picture of him was sent to her. So now she's like, okay, well, your life is kind of on the line and like maybe your safety's at risk. So let me explain what's been going on for the past month. There were mentions, obviously, that Daniel and Christelle were not in the best part of their relationship, which a lot of parents raising three kids would say they've probably seen better days. But to not know that your wife is being stalked for an entire month, you have to be probably on not even speaking terms in order for this to happen.
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25:04Even if she didn't think it was that serious for a month, she would have brought it up as like a oh my god something so weird happened today how bad exactly
25:11Soojin Lee:was their relationship right christiel's parents are brought in hours after her murder to give formal interviews they were all really close christiel and her dad would fix classic cars together so they had this hobby that even as they grew up she was always just in his garage they have this like retro diner set up in one corner of his garage and it just looks like a dream auto shop. She would sit down while they would take a break and he explains that she did mention that she was being stalked by the ex-boyfriend from high school. And both Christy's parents, they remember Anthony back from when they were dating.
25:48Soojin Lee:And they say he was always very friendly, very courteous, always had good manners. It just, I mean, yeah, like it was in high school. okay people who knew them say their breakup was very high school it wasn't even petty they both worked at jc penny the whole breakup was because christelle was very much into academia like she had a strong vision for her outlook in life like she wanted to pursue engineering in college she wanted to go that route meanwhile anthony didn't really know if he even wanted to go to college he was still figuring things out so the way that anthony even spoke about christelle after they broke up, people said that Anthony spoke about her like she was his great first love.
26:28Naturally, he did reach out a few times over Facebook asking how she is. Nothing weird, but maybe he's upset that she never made any sort of advancement towards him, never wanted to see him, or maybe something big happened in his life and now he's turning on Christelle. But how can somebody go from being this kind-hearted, genuine person to a stalker? Or like maybe Christelle's parents didn't really know him.
26:49Soojin Lee:Christelle's mom is a bit more open with the detectives. She's distraught, she's holding it together and she's telling the investigators everything they need. Christelle's life was hell. She hadn't slept in months. The last year, her husband and her were not in good terms. He was in complete denial, Daniel. She would tell me how he was. Did she ever give you insight on what kind of led to her feeling like the marriage was over? Daniel is explosive. I've never seen him hurt her, but he would hurt the kids. Some people think corporal punishment is okay, but he would hurt the kids. Like what, physical?
27:24Soojin Lee:Probably, yeah. She was worried about that. But she told me he was in denial, that she told him that this marriage was over, but she would stay until redacted, graduated. I just, this, just in my gut, I can't shake this feeling. And what is that feeling telling you? I just can't shake this feeling or question. Is he the one that's been doing this with Anthony? Wait, this is like the first interview? Yeah. The mom who witnessed her daughter's death? Yes. She was comforting him at the scene. Mm-hmm. And now she's saying that maybe they're working together. Yeah. And it's just like a bunch of small things.
28:03Soojin Lee:It's not like a big, aha, we caught you. Just like weird. Even at a recent family birthday party, Daniel is out by the window the whole time in case the stalker is surveilling them in the neighborhood. But something about it just feels performative. It doesn't feel really anxious. It doesn't feel like, okay, I'm so stressed. It just feels like, look at me being a protector. That's what the mom said? Basically. Christiel's brother, he knows that the two of them, Christiel and Daniel, had been separated, but still living together mainly for the kids. He has a different take. He tells the authorities, Christiel was fully convinced it was Anthony.
28:41My mom has always been suspicious. I just don't know where that comes from.
28:45Soojin Lee:Can you elaborate? Like suspicious how? My mom? Yeah. I don't know. I guess the whole difficulty finding Anthony. Like, why is it so hard to find Anthony? Why can't either cell phone records or IP stuff show, you know, so my mom had that frustration, and I think her mind starts to wander towards conspiracy type things, right? Of like, oh, maybe it's the husband, or maybe it's Dan, and I don't know. I don't see it there just because, I don't know, Dan just seems so incapable of doing something like that. Why do you say that? I just don't know. I talked to him and I just talked to him for about two hours and he was very concerned about getting his family together and you know talking about being hyper vigilant but not paranoid other members of Christiel's family were interviewed and one of them says something very interesting he says that he never liked Dan from the first moment that he met Dan who is this it's like a I believe it's an uncle and the officers are like why and he's like there are two words I would describe.
29:45Slick politician. I don't trust a single thing he says. Yeah.
29:52Soojin Lee:Christelle's sister-in-law Kate is asked by the officers if there was something about the stalker, anything that she thought was notable and she says, I just always felt like there was something weird about it but I can't put my finger on it. I just feel like she had said that it was this like Anthony guy but it seemed very different from past behavior in him. She said that he was never hypersexual in the past and now he's saying all these hypersexual things. I think even at one point she was questioning whether it was actually him. Daniel himself has told officers during his interview, I had a partner to protect but it didn't feel like a partner who valued me and I told her at that point I didn't want to die for someone who didn't care about me anymore.
30:33Soojin Lee:I was hurting when I said that. He said that he just wanted Christelle to say I do care about you but she didn't and he was really hurt officers are finally able to locate the high school ex-boyfriend anthony and he's eight hours away in a different state at home on his couch drunk the officers tell him i'm gonna ask you a couple of names and see if you recognize them okay have you heard of a crystal krug yeah do you know a daniel krug no how do you know christelle she was an ex-girlfriend Ex-girlfriend? How long is the ex? How long ago? 1999? Oh, so like a long while ago. She was my very first girlfriend ever.
31:16Soojin Lee:And when was the last time you talked to her? Wait, is this recorded too? Yeah. What? Has it been a while? A minute? It's been a minute. It's pretty clear that Anthony is at least appearing drunk and confused. He probably is drunk and confused. but what cannot be faked or confused is the fact that Anthony has an airtight alibi. That morning he had gone to Kohl's and bought a sweatshirt. And he's seen buying the sweatshirt and he has a receipt for it. And he's wearing that sweatshirt right now. And there's no way that he could have driven to kill Christelle, then driven back in time to buy the sweatshirt.
31:48There's also no way that he was on any sort of flight or Amtrak train, nothing. Which means unless he knows how to teleport, Anthony could not have killed Christelle Krug, just as police suspected.
32:00Soojin Lee:which leads to Daniel being in the back of a police car handcuffed and an officer asking him quote hey Dan do you want me to tell your kids that you killed their mother or you want somebody else to? I want to talk to an attorney. Okay then. All right. Good luck. And the cop slams the door shut. That's really crazy to say. I mean I guess they're arresting him for murder right? Yeah. I think okay. I don't particularly think that the cops were doing like a spectacular job. I think that they were doing their job with the taxpayers pay money for. But I will say they seem very fed up with Daniel. I think it's all of his acting and all of his like, I was supposed to protect her.
32:42I see. I see.
32:44Soojin Lee:Yeah. The hours leading up to Daniel's arrest are also very interesting. There's a few key moments that investigators are very suspicious about, aside from the physical and forensic evidence that they get later on. But the first one is when Daniel is first called into the police station, he's in the interrogation room and Detective Martinez comes in. Because Detective Martinez is the one that has been helping Christy with the stalker, a.k.a. Daniel. And Daniel is like hunched over on this blue couch and he's like, we were supposed to protect her. You promised we didn't protect her. and detective martinez said that he was looking at daniel and he realized he's sobbing he's whispering he's doing all these things and not a single fucking tear so he starts questioning daniel not even going after him but just asking him normal questions one would expect and daniel constantly keeps his pitch out a whisper it's always like everything hurts i don't feel anything I have two different voices going through my head right now.
33:45I have my brother Matthew, and I've mentioned him. He's a sheriff's lieutenant. And I have a voice saying, talk to the police. And as a typical cop, that should, you know, he married a prosecutor. So I have Lynn's voice in my head going, get a fucking lawyer. That is crazy. Yeah.
34:08Soojin Lee:his brother is a cop not the one that he's on the phone with i believe that's a different brother so his brother's a cop his sister-in-law is a prosecutor and i mean the fact that he mentions this very early on in the interrogation is definitely a very soft way of saying i might lawyer up whenever i want so i would tread carefully is the vibe that he gives or maybe he's trying to say hey i'm also you know my brother is a cop too yeah hello yeah and so he just has all these like weird moments. He also tries to hint that Chris Steele would be out of the house for a really long time. So he's like trying to make it seem like Chris Steele was suspicious.
34:46And I just want to say, and I say this every single time, if an investigator ever asks you, what do you think happened in this crime? Who do you think did it? I just want you to know that investigator thinks you did it. And Daniel is asked and he responds, so in my brain, the story
35:02Soojin Lee:that I have is that someone came to the door. Maybe she went outside to get a package and they must have come in and she's a fighter. She's strong. She would have fought. And again, it's like the movies. It's like, that's not the question right now. Like you're trying to figure out who killed your wife. Why are you saying things like, she's a fighter. She would have fought. At one point when the police are leading him out, he's like, I just need to know what to tell my kids. did she fight because she's a fighter again it's just bizarre bizarre yeah yeah who do you think killed her i think it's kickman i mean i think it's anthony what if i told you we had already spoken to anthony and there's no way that he was in town today then i have nothing that then i'm terrified to bring my children home what are you terrified of if it wasn't him who was it If you are watching these facts unfold in front of you in a movie, what would you say happened?
36:06There has to be someone. I loved her. There has to be someone. I don't know who that is. How was his performance, I guess, when he first came to the scene or found out that the wife is killed? When he is in front of the house,
36:24Soojin Lee:that's the moment where I would say we can't really judge grief. I actually had like a whole thing about this while I was watching the footage because I was comparing and I was like, okay, I don't know who would have a harder time because he is much more distraught than Christelle's mother. And I was thinking, okay, does that make sense for the spouse to be? I guess it would. And I was having all these different thoughts in my head. I would say when he gets to the house, he's on his knees. He does keep saying things like I should have protected her. I was supposed to protect her. I think at that point it's kind of believable I don't know if that's how you would behave But I think that's like when the applicable term of Well everyone responds to grief and shock differently would apply I see so you're saying that it looked like in hindsight It was very theatrical right very in hindsight Because then I was also trying to think right I think I am probably the most theatrical person that I know in terms of like, I am dramatic with my words and I like, ah, and I laugh loudly and things.
37:29But I think when shit comes down, I would be very alert of like, okay, let me process this. We gotta, we gotta, like, I would jump into action.
37:38Soojin Lee:So I thought that it was weird that he was so on his knees and saying, I should have, when it seems like the rest of the family are like, okay, what are we gonna do? We gotta figure things out. The kids, we gotta worry about the kids. It's not just us. Like, obviously there's grief, but there's also three kids that we have to take care of figure out their safety like there's a contrast you're saying that he he is more in that like oh my god oh my god versus other people kind of have their shit together yeah i think like in that moment i would probably have my shit together and then fall apart later because it's like okay especially when you factor in the three kids yeah but in hindsight though that that just now we know this is his choice of performance yes like he thinks this is the most believable reaction to give but it looked very off when he arrived at the station just instantly became really off yeah i think okay now in hindsight obviously everything is clear in hindsight i also think like the constant i was supposed to protect her i didn't protect her is really weird at the scene when he gets to the house because it's not it's not about his kids it's not about safety and it's also not about like we got to find the fucker who did this like there is no action it's like very him centric it's like i'm the protector and i failed i'm the biggest victim oh the guilt yeah it's almost like he wants people to be like you did everything you could yeah yeah yeah i see yeah exactly yeah it's weird but i will say um And the, okay, so there is a blonde woman next to him who's comforting him more than Christelle's mother.
39:16Soojin Lee:And she is the victim advocate that was called to the scene. Her name is Heather. She's interviewed later. And she says, at that moment, it was fine. It's actually when she gets in the car with him, driving into the police station for the interview, she thought it was weird. Really? What happened? Yeah, she said that he was like slumped over in the passenger seat, like in a fetal position. Again, kind of weird. And I'm like, okay, I also don't see how that, again, maybe it's just me being like, couldn't be me but it's just weird like he's not she said most people ask questions yeah they're like what do you know how what happened like they're like a mess but they're still trying to gather information and maybe it's all over the place because they're a mess but it's not just like i'm so sad i couldn't protect her it's like what's happening like what happened tell me what happened right yeah there's none of that he's not asking questions and then she just feels so weird about it she said she has this gut feeling where at one point she was like did you do something really and then she was like oh my god i'm such a shitty person she's like what's wrong with me like this is a man who just lost his wife and i'm over here like what am i doing like i'm watching too much dateline like what's wrong with me and she's like okay i gotta get it together like this is not okay i see but she just had this like weird gut feeling where just like some things are off and he she probably been doing this right meeting a lot of victims and yeah and he keeps trying to seem like really confused all the time like even when the cop is like oh can we see our phone to see the house cameras it's like lots of like where did i put my oh yeah here's my phone um okay let me try to unlock it like it's just like this really performative trying to seem harmless yeah yeah also i thought it was weird that at the crime scene he never asks about the kids i'm not a parent but i think my first reaction like god forbid anything happened if there are children involved in anything i'd be like where are they are they fine like who's gonna get them like we got to figure out something but he's the dad and he's not even like are the kids okay?
41:23Soojin Lee:Like, where are the kids? Are they safe? How do we know they're safe? Yeah. And so he doesn't appear emotional during the interview. He just looks slumped over as time progresses. And the officers are like, help me make sense of this. I don't know. I'm not the one who does this. I don't have a narrative or a story that I can offer you. I get the narrative that you guys are putting together, but it all alleges that I would do this to my children. I love and adore my children.
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43:33Soojin Lee:There's like I said footage of him telling his children what happened so all three of them are brought into the police station they're pulled out of school and he is asked do you want to tell your kids or do you want us to tell your kids and he's like I got to tell my kids. so he sits down with them he tells them and they are like incredibly there's not exactly a word that i would use to describe it i think distraught would be a very simple word but i just don't really know i mean one of them seems like she's in high school the other two seem pretty young and what did he say he just say that you're again very theatrical like she's gone she's not coming back okay they're just and there are like some speculations i saw in some comments of um some of these videos circulating where some people think that maybe the eldest because the whole thing is blurred but you can still kind of see bodies maybe the eldest had an inkling because they seem the most standoffish from the dad but he's just like comforting them and it's just and they're just like what screen crying yeah and how is he comforting them just patting them yeah
44:50Soojin Lee:wow and i think the reason like i wouldn't even want to bring this up or even talk about it but i think the whole point is the fact that he would do that to his own kids it's like less about oh look at the kids reaction it's more so like look here are the things that he's saying to his kids after he did it that's so sick now you think about that he chose to give that information to the kids yeah and he knows that he's you know what i mean like if he really cared obviously he wouldn't commit a crime but then also he probably would not have the guts to even see that yeah but he doesn't and the police are saying like i think ultimately you thought this would bring you closer to your kids in your mind because now you're all the kids have the officer tells daniel exactly what they think happened they think that anthony has reached out in the past to christelle and maybe daniel has gotten jealous even though she has told him multiple times that she's married and he backs off.
45:57Soojin Lee:And this was, you know, back in 2016 was probably the last time that he reached out. He did ask if she wanted to have intimate relations. So maybe you had a question about infidelity, whether it's with Anthony or anybody else, because why would Anthony randomly ask about having intimate relations if they hadn't had intimate relations, like they're trying to be on Daniel's side. And so, you know, you might create an account to see if Christelle's actually interested in Anthony. So you ask, you push, she doesn't respond. And then you're just trying to confirm your suspicions of infidelity. You don't get the response and the openness that you once did.
46:28Soojin Lee:And you think that, well, maybe if I keep doing this, she's going to come closer to me because she's so scared and she has nobody else. So you amp it up a little bit. And then you even send a photo of yourself in the account that you created. Daniel is asked again, like, if you were watching these unfold, what would you say happened if this were a movie? There has to be some unknown. He says, I'm not the one who does this. I'm analytical at work. I read and write fiction at home. I don't do crime drama. I don't know what any of this is. He writes fiction? He's a writer? Mm-hmm. Huh. Yeah. But for a month, Christelle doesn't tell Daniel what's happening, so he amps it up by sending that photo of himself.
47:13Soojin Lee:And that's when Christelle tells Daniel about the stalking that's been happening. And he keeps amping it up. Christelle is still over it. She's like, I don't want to be in this marriage anymore. I want to get a divorce. And the police wrote in their report, there's a 700 page report that we come through, but Christine told somebody in the family that she has a photo of bruising on one of the kids that she is going to use against Daniel in a custody case. And then she also told a friend that she confronted Daniel because she was starting to feel as if Daniel was the stalker. So the police believe that not only does she have some sort of evidence against him in the custody case, she's about to out him to everyone publicly, to their family members, maybe even to the police, that he is the stalker.
48:03He's going to lose everything. And so he kills her. So the forensic evidence from the top, the Krug house has four cameras on the outside of the house, doorbell camera, one on the side of the house, one that shows the driveway and the garage. And it's crazy like this foyer request we got all of the footage from that and we also got footage from like neighbors cameras there's a lot of footage, but
48:25Soojin Lee:multiple of the cameras were turned off for two hours that morning and the only people that could turn it off manually are daniel and christiel It's only turned back on when daniel goes to work and he is later than normal his work time And he also seems really casual walking through his office, which is unsettling after he just murdered his wife he then comes back to the house in extreme distress but when he calls that welfare check he calls the police he calls christie's mom he calls the neighbor called yeah and he's also the one that called christie's mom to go check up on christie for what reason maybe it's the ultimate revenge because it seems like he has this venomous hatred towards christie's family right right but what warrant what made him decide to call a wellness call like just out of nowhere in the morning yeah so he said that he hasn't been able to get in contact with his wife and it's weird because they had a stalker so if they could just go check he's at work right now he left work earlier this morning she was dropping off the kids he called the neighbor the mom and the police and he's like it's probably nothing but like just in case i don't know for someone who's planning doing this for so long there's also very dumb yeah Like everything he does is like.
49:41Soojin Lee:There were also messages from Christelle's phone that morning that she was killed. One of them was to Daniel that was sent after she was killed. Right. Which, how is that possible? He's out of the house. He gets a text message when he's at work from Christelle. Those are all scheduled. There was one scheduled to be sent out to Detective Martinez, one to her dad. All of them pre-scheduled. You can schedule text messages on Christelle's phone and someone had scheduled those messages. Who would it be if not Daniel? because that needs to point to these messages were sent once he was out of the house.
50:14Soojin Lee:If the police didn't realize that these text messages were scheduled, they could have believed that Daniel was out of the house and Christelle was still alive inside the house. Then you factor in some really dumb stuff. The day before Christelle's murder, he's Googling how long, at least you spelled how correctly, but how long can you be unconscious without brain damage? How hard a hit for head trauma to go unconscious? How hard would you have to hit someone in the head to make them unconscious? do people really go unconscious when hit in the head what happens when you're hit in the head the picture of daniel getting out of his car at work that the stalker took of him data forensics were able to uncover that it was on selfie timer mode i guess the metadata can show if it was like taking with the front camera the back camera it was like selfie mode front camera on a timer yeah that was my question so he put put a little yeah he bought a burner phone but he buys it not with a credit card but with a gift card that gift card is registered to himself when he first starts messaging christelle because she doesn't respond to that first message of like hey it's anthony right he didn't know if the message was going through so he decides to text himself from the burner phone and just the word test he responds back yeah all the messages being sent the emails being created the emails being sent they're all being sent from the ip address at daniel's workplace the department of public health in colorado when authorities confront Daniel about it.
51:34Soojin Lee:He just says it doesn't make any sense. The Wi-Fi, we have public access and everybody knows the passwords, but nobody believes him. The trial takes place. And if you had any questions about how evil this guy is, even during the trial, the impact statements, this is when Christiel's family is, they're going to come up and tell the judge about how this has impacted their lives so that the judge can be more thorough with sentencing. Daniel is telling his parents on the phone that during sentencing they should be able to give impact statements so daniel's family are allowed to give like character statements they're not allowed to like give impact statements in that sense right because the people impacted by the crime are supposed to give impact statements and he says under the terms of the law you are family members of the victim you lost a daughter in law my brother lost a sister-in-law you should be allowed to speak if you choose why does he want them to talk probably to say nice things about him too and also it's just like such a slap in the face to christiel's family like they lost a daughter and a sister what do you mean you lost a daughter-in-law you lost a sister-in-law you should be able to talk yeah and what's the parents reaction to that oh he continues though he's like they said you might be able to speak um whether it's on my behalf or christiel's behalf i don't care the point is you deserve to be recognized as the victim's family, which has been denied to me since the day she died.
53:03Soojin Lee:The mom looks hesitant and she says, do you want her family to even hear us? Yes, you lost Christelle just like I did. The loss isn't theirs alone. So yes, I would like you to speak if you are willing and able. This is after he's found guilty. Yeah. I just think everyone involved just fucking hates Daniel. Even the police officers. And again, this is not like me commenting police officers. I think that they're doing their job. I think that's their job, right? There's nothing to praise there. But there are moments in the body cam, the arresting officers are searching through his car and one of them is reading through his journal briefly just to quote, make sure.
53:40Was he gonna fucking off himself or some shit? I gotta look. And he's like reading through the journal
53:43Soojin Lee:and the other cop is like, is there a confession in there? No. And they're both disappointed. Also before the arrest, it's like kind of comical in the only sense because we fucking hate Daniel, but nothing else. And like, I guess the only thing that's like, okay, some relief is one of the cops is like, once he does the stop, because they're going to arrest Daniel in his car. They're like, once he does the stop, we're going to flip the bitch. So they're like getting pumped to arrest Daniel. I don't know if they're just like. They pulled him over like a stop sign. No. So he was going to his daughter's recital and they bombarded him in the parking lot when he was by himself.
54:22Soojin Lee:Thankfully, not with the kids. So they got him. But it's like every tone of all the police officers working this case, they just hate the guy. Yeah. Yeah. They're just so ready to. The jurors deliberated for a day and a half. Eight days? No, one day. Oh, one day. One day and a half. They concluded that Daniel would be found guilty of murder in the first degree, stalking in extreme emotional distress, stalking with credible threat and criminal impersonation. He will be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. the whole time during the conviction and the sentencing, Anthony was there, the guy that he tried to find.
55:03Wow.
55:04Soojin Lee:Detective Martinez states that this case has haunted me since it occurred, and the outcome of the case has haunted me for the past two years. Christelle's parents have given some grace, stating that it's not really Detective Martinez's fault. They think, inevitably, I think he was going to kill her. When someone sets their mind to do something like that, and that's what the plan was, I don't think that would have stopped the murder from happening. Anthony also, he was interviewed, and he said that the morning that he went to go buy that sweatshirt from Kohl's, he now thinks that it was Christelle sending him a message.
55:38Because it was just so random. Like, he didn't really need a sweatshirt.
55:41Soojin Lee:It was just kind of like he just felt the urge to go buy a sweatshirt. Yeah. The receipt for that would be his ultimate alibi. And so with that, that is the case of Christelle Krug. I saw a lot of people saying this was like the smartest, most calculated murder in history. I think there was just a lot of effort put in, but it wasn't. I think Daniel would get off on being called smart and calculated. I think he's a bozo. I think he sucks at acting. And I think ultimately he deserves everything that's going to come to him in prison. and during all of those calls he just the whole time he's saying he's he didn't do it and he's mad that he thinks someone is taking his valuable coins he thinks the police stole a ring the credit card information which i'm not saying i don't think police they probably did they could have right i mean that wouldn't be the craziest thing police have done but also like you deserve of it.
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In the event of a break in, usually something of value is stolen from a house. But what if someone breaks into your home and steals a single, random item. Your hairbrush. Your pet’s ashes. Your family picture but leaves the frame. Your one spare house key?
Daniel Krug, patriarch, calls the police after his wife, Kristil comes home and realizes that the spare key they keep hidden in their garage is missing. They could’ve just misplaced it right?
With three young children at home though, the family doesn’t want to take any chances. Especially after Daniel, the father, remembers pulling into his driveway, before the key went missing, and saw someone jump their fence and take off running.
If someone had broken into their garage, stole their spare key, and nothing else that can really only mean one thing right? They’re planning on coming back.
Daniel reports it to the police and even gives his statement to the responding officer who visits his house. For nearly three months the family will grow increasingly paranoid after feeling like the burglar never left the house in the first place. That he came back and started doing stranger and stranger things around the house.
Until exactly 82 days after the initial report, one of the Krug family members will be found inside the family home.
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