Pathological Liar Kills Beloved Dentist Through Manipulation & ALMOST Gets Away With Murder

24:51So as casually as possible, he asks her, hey, did you hear about that dentist you got shot in Dallas? Brenda says, no. Oh, but Jose has a plan. He responds, that's funny because the Jeep they're showing on the news looks a lot like mine. I lent you my Jeep. And then a day later, I'm seeing something that looks exactly like my Jeep on the news connected to this murder. Show me. Brenda wants Jose to just show her the pictures. Like, you mean, it's a bolo. Google it. Okay, it's my Jeep. But he cooperates. He pulls out his phone, pulls out the pictures and presents it in front of her face. brenda studies the pictures no that's it it's not your jeep okay okay what do you mean it's not my what do you mean it's not my jeep jose the owner of the jeep is telling brenda who drove the jeep for like one day that it's his jeep and he knows it why are you telling me it's not my jeep but she's telling him it's not how would she know at this point he might as well be zooming in on each picture shoving it in her face, pointing out, look at the paint, the distortions, the wheels, the sequins, the hood damage, the paint damage.

26:00This is all very unique to my Jeep. The Jeep, that is my Jeep. It's not. Jose at this point might as well have his flabbers gassed in because even the cap he lost from the front bumper on the right side, look at the pictures. He's showing the pictures. Guess what's missing on the right side of the front bumper? The cap. He even remembers exactly how he lost the cap. It was snowy. He was driving the Jeep. It doesn't matter. That's his freaking Jeep. It doesn't even matter. The cap is, it's his Jeep. He's a freaking mechanic for crying out loud. He knows his cars. And somehow this conversation, this very frustrating conversation between Jose and Brenda go from Jose trying to convince Brenda weirdly that that's his car while she remains very stubborn with zero evidence or factual argument to back up why it's not his car.

26:49Until all of a sudden the conversation ends with Brenda telling Jose, I'll pay for you to repaint your Jeep. Wow. Okay, but now it wasn't my Jeep, but now you're going to help me repaint. Why would he even paint it? Why would he do that regardless of who pays? Even if he paints it, this Jeep is all over the news. He can't drive it. Everyone in Dallas is basically looking for it and it's just sitting in his driveway. Brenda tells him ominously, don't say anything. Don't tell your family. Don't tell anyone because you will get in trouble with the police. And she pulls out the trump card, literally.

27:22She tells him, while his citizenship could be at risk if he goes to the police. Is that a threat? Brenda basically tells him, hide the Jeep, hide it in your shop, maybe paint it if you want, I'll help you pay for the paint job. Just don't go to the police. Wow. Jose agrees. At least that's what he tells Brenda, because now he's at the police station doing the right thing and informing police, that's my Jeep. And at some point during the interview, Jose might regret not listening to Brenda, at least briefly. Well, not briefly, maybe for hours. because the police, they take a statement. They leave him in the interrogation room without his phone, without anyone or anything, just sitting in the interrogation room for at least the next four hours.

28:04That's crazy. Yeah, for at least two hours of that, he's in a fetal position and it appears he starts praying out of sheer panic, fear, and desperation. I'm sure the detectives have to confirm Jose's story, but I'm sure in Jose's mind, he's running through like every possibility. Ice could be on their way. They're stopping by for a few snacks. That's why it's taking so long. every news story of wrongfully convicted individuals could be popping up in his mind and then finally the door swings open the detective asks him you good yeah i'm good he was in fact not good he was on the ground or he's like in a fetal position he's on the ground on his knees praying and then he's getting back up yeah but what else are you gonna say when you're not good in this type of situation they're like water yeah i'm just ready um okay yeah a couple more minutes Officer comes back with a bottle of water and repeats, Couple more minutes, you want some pizza?

28:53No, Jose doesn't want some pizza, he wants to go home. But they tell him, just a few more minutes. The officers shut the door again, and when Jose is alone, he whispers to himself, A couple more minutes, my ass, a couple more hours, dang it dude, what the fuck? Eventually, the time does come. Jose is cleared to go home, but his jeep? His jeep has to stay. But Jose is not the only one calling into the police with information. one comes in the form of an email a very formal sounding email at that hello i recently heard about kendra hatcher's tragic death i attended dental school with kendra for four years 2006 to 2010 i as well as other classmates were witnesses to her talking about her ex-husband physically abusing her he includes the last name i'm not sure about the first name but i'm sure you can easily look up marriage records i have no particular reason to suspect he did it but given the history and my knowledge that most people are not murdered by strangers, he is definitely a person I would recommend looking into.

29:51Please let me know if you need anything else. Respectfully, Dr. Arnold Berger. Whoever Dr. Arnold is, you know, what he has to say might be worth looking into as the local Crime Stoppers also receive a very similar yet anonymous tip stating the only reason Kendra moved from Houston, Texas to Dallas was because she was quote, beaten within an inch of her life by an ex-partner. The anonymous tipster goes on to say, Even after Kendra moved to Dallas, she was still being threatened. Two tips, pointing fingers at two former partners, and then a third tip from Kendra herself. During the investigation, authorities uncover some of Kendra's personal notes.

30:29Only three pages were scanned and included in the FOIA request. So it's unclear if these were loosely for part of a diary, but they were included nonetheless. The first page is kind of like a list of her thoughts. Should I take this job? Core Kids Dental? Irving, Texas? Community Clinic? Question mark? In small letters underneath that, she writes, Meet good friends in Dallas. Where? Lots of serendipity. Another line. I feel like I should be getting into something bigger in life. What would that be? Traveling long distance to the mountains? Then another entry. Pursue relationship with Jeremy? He is crazy about you, but not able to date you right now.

31:11He's not the one. She sees a guy from El Paso that I'll meet in class of some sort One child, a little girl, very musically talented Is a healthy relationship? Family? Kids? Marriage? In my future? Yes, a man from El Paso One little girl It seems like a brain dump of thoughts that she's having But the next thought she writes down seems connected to the tip that the police receive She writes Should I pursue civil suit against Stephen for domestic violence? Is Stephen going to pursue hurting me? I will be safe He has a lot of other things to worry about. He will do jail time, handcuffs, not first time.

31:47The officers turn the page and it's another page filled with what appears to be quickly written down thoughts and then the words, Stephen, deal, presented, plea bargain. Doesn't look good for him. Safe? Yes. He has a lot to worry about. He's done this before. He's done this before. And if he's done this before, is he going to do it again? I have never thought deeply about chair etiquette before seeing this interrogation. I mean, okay, I have, but this is a weird interrogation. Let's say you and I walk into a restaurant and we're led to a table with a booth and a chair. Who takes the booth? Who takes the chair?

32:22You would take the chair and offer me the booth, right? Although I actually really hate sitting in a booth. I much prefer a chair. That's like a thing, okay? But if or if your boss asks you, follow me into my office. You don't sit in her chair behind the desk because it's just chair etiquette. I mean, I guess there's no written rule that you cannot, but you would just sit in one of the guest chairs across from the desk. The same goes for interrogation rooms. Everything is typically designed purposefully, including the chair etiquette, and Brenda immediately fails. Detective Barnes escorts Brenda into the room.

32:56She enters first. The interrogation room recording starts, and we're like a fly on the wall corner camera angle. It's a different room from the one that Jose is in, but it's like pretty much the same layout. So Brenda is brought in after Jose's whole thing. Now they have, there's two chairs. One of them is an office chair, a wheelie chair. Whoever is sitting in that chair is gonna have their back to the door and also to the camera. The other chair, the person of interest chair, has four metal legs and it's just like bars of metal. It's a metal chair and it's the furthest corner of the room and it's a stationary chair.

33:32Interrogation rooms are designed to make the interviewee feel cornered, locked in one spot, hence the lack of wheels, never too comfortable, never too relaxed. And it's also usually very clear who sits where in an interrogation room. If a detective brings you into one of these types of rooms, well, first of all, you got to ask for your attorney, but that's just my advice. But second of all, Detective Barnes' newest interviewee, newest lead walks in plops right down in the wheelie chair and she's like wheeling scooching into the desk leaving the cold metal stationary chair for the host detective barnes and detective barnes asks her to switch i mean she does without hesitation to her you know to her benefit but it's just very bold interesting it's just a little off yeah yeah yeah either way she promptly moves to the metal chair crosses her legs with her hands in her lap she has her hair pulled back low ponytail she's wearing a black baseball hat and she's kind of wearing this like striped almost y2k tight shirt it's like an orange creamsicle color of stripes it's like a sherbert ice cream it's cute it's very casual she's also wearing brenda in her 30s but she she could easily pass for like 29 even she looks pretty young okay she's also wearing black capri leggings that end right under her knees, bright white tennis shoes.

34:52And her body type is just like for visual sake, just like a regular looking lady. I don't know. You know, Detective Barnes is kind of what you expect. He's very law and order-y, very messily, white ironed button down, dress shoes, dress slacks, broad back, very great posture, even in a wheelie chair, which Brenda almost stole from him. But he responds and I will note I just want to put a disclaimer I do think and I know this and so no one has to point it out in the comments but people do anyway um I do know that I to some people have a voice that is reminiscent of a hyena being resurrected so I don't think I'm in a place to comment on someone's voice however it's also the tone that Brenda uses that's very interesting and I'm not judging her for it I'm just pointing it out so you get the full picture her voice and tone reminds me of the trad wife trend online where they talk very slowly and almost kind of breathy.

35:53It's soft to the point where it's almost nurturing and it's incredibly feminine. Interesting. She tells Detective Barnes that she wants to help. Tell me what I can help with. Barnes continues to give her the lowdown, you know, assures her that he's not going to be... What? He's just like smacking on the table, okay? like out of nowhere to demonstrate like i'm not going to be the type of cop it's gonna intimidate you or yell that would probably have me peeing but instead of jumping or appearing even more nervous you know when barnes is smack smack on the table renda immediately pulls her hand from her lap rests an elbow on the table her hand on her chin and she leans in i i've watched a lot of interviews innocent guilty witnesses you never really see people lean in yeah yeah yeah because she wants to help yeah but you know it's just maybe we just have different ideas of personal space but it's just a lot of leaning in like a lot of leaning in i don't even think i would lean in this much if i were on a dinner date with you it's just a lot of leaning in what is she sheryl sandberg okay so it's like the lean is not even just the lean is like she's that a bar and a guy just bought her a drink with a black amex okay then you lean in a little maybe right she asked gently how did my name come up i don't detective barnes says he'll tell her but right now he just needs the basics so he's filling out the police report contact info all the administrative stuff you know and he's it's it's also like breaking the ice a little bit i want to make sure that you're comfortable while you're here perfect oh okay yeah we'll work together right okay so brenda is a little bit of an eager beaver but i guess that's fine i guess that's great in the grand scheme of things okay how do you spell b-r-e-n-d-a brenda okay barnes takes a second to write her name down and brenda sees an opportunity she leans in she reaches out her hand and almost like caresses his bracelet he's wearing a bracelet that's crazy she just physically yeah make physical contact with the yeah interrogator yeah wow okay i am second i like that so his bracelet says i am second and he's like yeah and she says i'm part of it too which i don't know why she made it sound like they're in a cult um i am second is just a christian phrase so it's like if you saw someone wearing a bracelet with a bible verse on it other christians will recognize other christians right but god first yeah god first i'm second but she made it sound like a cult.

38:38She's like, I'm part of it too. Whatever that means, okay? What do you mean? You go to church? Essentially, what Brenda is trying to do here is I guess build rapport, which is kind of the interrogator. Yeah, she's very eager to build rapport. Yeah, but like, you know, I guess he's attractive, conventionally attractive interrogator, right? So, but still kind of odd to flirt with your interrogator. Anyway, Detective Barnes is like, yeah, well, there's a long story behind this. I'll tell you in a minute, but I believe in that. Yeah, I do too. That's why I normally don't wear jewelry. This is who I am.

39:09So if people see anything outside of police, this is what I want them to know about me. Me too. And she holds out her arm to see, you know, for him to see. She holds out her wrist. I don't wear it because my wrist is too tiny. okay and detective barnes says you do you do have a small wrist she interrupts him all my family they're true believers and i want to cooperate i want to know what's going on and you know i i want you to it kind of sounds like they're flirting i mean brenda might as well do the grade school flirting thing where you ask a guy you know that you like to compare hand sizes with her whole little tiny wrist move okay obviously knowing his hands are going to be bigger and but it's like just a chance to hold your hands together.

39:53I mean, I'm sure for Brenda, it's giving, I'm just so tiny and fragile. Oh my gosh. Brenda in, like, I mean this in the nicest way possible is kind of giving, if my wrist is this tiny, just imagine how tiny my brain is. I have no clue, not an iota, not an idea of why I'm in this interrogation room, sir. It's kind of giving that a little bit. And if I had to guess, Detective Barnes is probably using this as a way in. He notices Brenda trying to cozy up to him, touching him, and plays along, complimenting her wrist size. But he also tries to get back into business, so he's filling out this police report.

40:28He's like, okay, so you're unemployed, you're studying, you're in school, right? Yeah, I'm taking my board exam. I've been preparing for the last two weeks. I took my state exam and I made 100. And then I'm taking my board next week. It's pretty hard. 450 questions. The board exam to become a dental hygienist. hmm yes interesting now barnes reads brenda her miranda writes and finally confronts her one of the things that i wanted to talk to you about a young lady was killed kendra hatcher was killed on wednesday september 2nd brenda has no visible reaction she is being questioned on september 4th the night of september 4th so this is two days later the way that your name came up in the investigation was linked to the vehicle okay so the jeep the black jeep and i wanted you know, to talk to you a little bit specifically about Wednesday, what you were doing Wednesday, and the incident involving a Jeep.

41:20Of course. Okay, can you tell me a little bit about it? Wednesday, I was in Carlton, and I studied for maybe 12 all the way to maybe six, and then from six, we went to Fuzzy's. We had some tacos at Fuzzy's in Carlton, and then from Carlton, we went to the Chili's, the restaurant, off of George Bush, and that was my day on Wednesday. Brenda continues to tell Barnes that her classmate Billy Wen can verify that they were at the library study room from 12 to 530 on September 2nd. Was it one of those things? Is it kind of like a date thing? You guys gotta... No. Just a classmate? Yeah. Oh, I'm dating.

41:58I mean, but I mean, he's not someone, he's not the type. Okay. She continues, after the study session, Billy gives her a ride to Chili's. Billy goes home while Brenda goes inside and grabs a table with Jose. Jose with the Jeep. Jose with the Jeep. So technically, he's Jose with the BMW now. So he drove up to Chili's in a BMW because he's trying to swap. That's why he's at the Chili's because he wants his Jeep back. The BMW is fixed. That's why he's meeting Brenda at Chili's to swap the cars back. Brenda was dropped off though because Billy gave her a ride to Chili's after their study session and then after going to Fuzzy's for tacos.

42:37So where is Jose's Jeep? Jose is wondering this. Detective Barnes is wondering this. We're wondering this. But first, we have to find out what she ate at Chili's, okay? She's telling us fried pickles, three Chili Ritas for$3.99 each, which is basically Chili's margarita special. And I still want to know where the hell the Jeep is. But this is not my interrogation. This is Detective Barnes' interrogation. So we see Brenda grab her purse, reach into her bag, then her wallet, and she pulls out a tiny little white piece of paper, a receipt from Chili's, of course.

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47:34The time that Kendra Hatcher is killed, Brenda is taking advantage of the Chili's Margarita special. Because the receipt time matches the murder time? So he's like, okay, you closed out at 8.56. Okay, do you mind if I hang on to this? Go ahead. No, yeah, keep it. Okay, great. You're free to go. She just pulled out a receipt from her bag? Mm-hmm. So he's like, okay, great. You're free to go, Brenda. See you next week at Chili's so we can pound back Chilleritas. We don't need any more information. That's not at all how it happens. He's like, what the hell happened to the Jeep? Obviously, Detective Barnes has a little more tact than that.

48:10So instead, he asks in a very calm, casual manner about the Jeep and how what Jose told him and what Brenda is telling him is not adding up. I got a very different story from Jose. Got a very different story from him about the Jeep and about who borrowed it and about whose vehicle was dropped off. And okay, he told me he was working on a vehicle for you. She's like, no. He said that he was working on your BMW. That's what he told me. It's not my BMW. It's Crystal's BMW. Crystal? Who the hell is Crystal? Crystal is Brenda's friend and they were apparently together dropping off Crystal's BMW with Jose borrowing his jeep either way Detective Barnes is going to need to bring in Crystal.

48:52Detective Barnes doesn't play favorites though because you know just like Jose he does keep Brenda in the interrogation room for hours she has her purse and an officer gives her a pink blanket as she waits for them to verify her alibi and just like Jose's interrogation Detective Barnes keeps those cameras rolling. And while Jose was contemplating pretty much every life decision that led him to even purchasing a Jeep in the first place, Brenda is very relaxed. For the most part, Brenda snuggles in the chair and tries to fall asleep with the pink blanket. But there's this one point towards the end of the footage.

49:22She throws the blanket off, stands up, reties her hair into a pony, sits down, rummages through her purse, pulls out something, dabs it on her face, puts it back in her purse, rummages through her bag, pulls out another thing, dabs it on her lips. She's doing makeup in the interrogation room which again there is nothing wrong with touching up your face and you know what i don't know what i would do in an interrogation room she's just very relaxed right super relaxed is it forced or is it she's actually really relaxed honestly it feels really relaxed okay interesting yeah you know she's doing her makeup as dallas pd or in the next office over trying to verify her alibi for the murder of Dr.

50:04Kendra Hatcher. A bit strange, perhaps, but it's definitely not illegal because, like I said, that same evening, Brenda is released, her alibi clears, and so does Jose's. So, and since we're talking about cleared alibis, Kendra's ex-partners are also cleared. So that just leaves, I mean, that leaves who? This very elusive Crystal and probably Ricky, Kendra's current boyfriend. It's time to bring Ricky in again. Detective Barnes has already spoken with Ricky. He was at the taco stand right outside Kendra's apartment where she was murdered in the parking lot of the, you know, apartment that he's outside eating tacos.

50:41He told Detective Barnes already that he left from the taco place to go back to his place to call the bank. And the rest of the night, I mean, he sent message after message after message to Kendra that went unanswered. I mean, they've been going unanswered even before he went to go eat tacos. 753. I'm super hungry, sweetie. Have you eaten dinner yet? No response. 804. Sweetie, I can't wait any longer. Off to get food. Let me know when you're home. It's interesting because Ricky had already been at Kendra's waiting for her, but since he's hungry, he decides to head down to get tacos. He takes the elevator straight down to the first floor, which is the level above the first level of the parking garage, crosses the street, grabs tacos, and while he's eating, he sends another message.

51:23815. There's something going on at the entrance of your parking garage. You won't be able to drive into your underground parking lot. I'm sorry, what time was the murder taking place? Like around 7 45. 8 38. Are you okay? You said you were on your way home over an hour ago. 8 44. I'm a little bit worried about you, sweetie. So at this point, he's probably back at his place. 9 40. Still no response. Ricky can't take it. He takes an Uber back to Kendra's apartment. By 9 50. He's walking through the first level lobby where the concierge desk is. And he's asking John, the concierge buzz me up. This is what he normally does every time he visits or stays over at Kendra's.

51:59This is normally how it goes and the concierge always buzzes him up, except this time because John is looking at him for a few moments. Hold on. Hold on for what? John disappears into the back room and Ricky is left alone in the lobby feeling, he describes it like a full-blown panic coming in. He sends another message to Kendra, 953. They are not letting me upstairs. Please call me. John finally comes out of the back room and instead of buzzing Ricky up, He guides Ricky to the back room where he's like, what is going on? The police walk in and inform Ricky that Kendra has been shot and killed.

52:32And I imagine any detective with their badge is going to be studying Ricky's face when they inform him of her passing. But it's not his reaction that's intriguing to investigators. It's more so what he does immediately after. So technically, Ricky's alibi does clear. But the investigators are intrigued by something. Ricky is, I will say, he's really beside himself. His reaction, I think it seems like it was very genuine. But he starts informing everyone around him of Kendra's passing. His family, he texts his sister who lives a few states away. His old friends, he starts texting them all. And his sister, it seems like she's a big problem solver in her life.

53:10She decides to come see Ricky. She's going to come a few states over, manage everything. She's going to run a tight ship. She's going to field calls coming into Ricky. She's gonna calls from people likely offering condolences, calls from news reporters, journalists, media. She's organizing a meal train with a local friend of Ricky's so that Ricky doesn't have to be overwhelmed thinking about groceries and where to buy food and likely forgetting to eat because he doesn't have food. And that local friend of his that his sister is organizing with also happens to be his ex-girlfriend. And it's someone that the detectives...

53:42Ricky's ex-girlfriend is a friend of his? Yeah, that he texted and now she is helping Ricky's sister organize this meal train. I see. So his ex-girlfriend. Okay. And this ex-girlfriend is someone the detectives are becoming very familiar with. Because it is none other than Brenda Delgado. Wheelie chair, lipstick, I am second, Jeep friend, tiny wrist, Brenda Delgado. And that is where I leave you with part one of this case. let me know what are your thoughts stay tuned for part two because it's like the amount of people that come into this case it's like you have the entire town that at least gets brought up you'll see how it plays out let me know your thoughts stay safe and I will see you in the next one

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