Patrick Clancy & Rachel Danis: Barry's Bootcamp Photo, Costa Rica, and the Affair Theory

31:02This picture is posted mid-November so that someone could have waited a week or two to post it which is very believable but again there's no way to confirm nor deny that that is Rachel and Patrick in the photo but because Reddington focused on it a lot of netizen feels like it adds credibility to the photo. Why did Reddington ask the the November 22? I don't think it has to do with the photo I think it has to do with the fact that Lindsay is not doing well in November right because all of her troubles started in September and November is also a rough month. December is the month where she told Patrick that she had thoughts of harming the children.

31:38And this is him saying like, you were gone for days at a time. She could have killed the kids then. That's kind of more of the route that I think that he was trying to go with the cross-examination. I don't think that he was trying to focus on New York City per se, but more so you were out on a business trip. Then you went to San Francisco with Cora. Just the two of you guys, right? she she's alone with the kids she's alone with all three kids when you went to new york city so why didn't she do it then why in this random like small time frame of window on a random day on january 24th i think that was more of what he was trying to push the jurors to but another thing that netizens believe adds a little more credibility to this unconfirmed photo is that Rachel and Patrick do seem to be frequent Barry's customers.

32:29Both of them like to go to Barry's boot camp? Yes, because later there is a real photo from later in the timeline that would make more sense with them meeting after the incident of both of them at Barry's. That's cool. Wow. But it could be that Rachel had an interview with her workplace where she talks about how she loves Barry's boot camp. She loves the red lights. She loves how she can just decompress and just get lost. This is like the best way to re-energize herself. So she seems like she loves berries. I don't know if maybe they met later, as they said they did, and she introduced him to berries.

33:03When was that photo? It's like 2025 or later in 2024. So it would actually match with their timeline. And I will say that photo, I'm like, that is definitely Patrick. That is definitely Rachel. That is not Mark Zuckerberg. Interesting. Okay. But I think the thing fueling the mistress rumors, if you will, is that people just have a hard time believing Patrick could move on so quickly and that Rachel would choose to be involved with Patrick. I think people are trying to say that they're being pragmatic about the situation and just saying logically she is this very accomplished doctor in the city.

33:42Her dad seems to be this very well-connected, very wealthy person. And she wants to get entangled in one of the biggest controversial stories in America as of late. It just doesn't make any sense. People are saying, some people are arguing, obviously. But one comment reads, you'll never change my mind. The affair was happening before the tragedy. No one, no one moves on that fast. Others point out the Rachel thing. They say, I would have reservations on dating a man whose wife unalive their three children. I would just have so many questions. To which someone comments back, same, I'd question if he could have done more to help her safeguard his children.

34:17And the fact that he's ready to move on so quickly, she should see that as a warning. Then another big circulating conversation has been that Rachel was at the children's funeral. So this was February 3rd of 2023, you know, a week or two after the children's deaths. She was? No. I could not find any credible evidence of that at all. All I could find was Rachel was at a memorial for the children in a park that was created in the children's memory. That was in 2025 when the park had its grand opening. Well, I don't want to say grand opening, but it's opening ceremony. And Rachel was videoed there.

34:54She was photographed there. And so because people have been conflating, oh, she was at the memorial and memorial sounds like a funeral. they were like how could she have been at the funeral unless she knew Patrick from before then another big allegation is that Patrick signed a lease to an apartment in New York City before the children's murders that has been hotly debated I could not find any credible evidence of that it seems like he moved in April of 2023 which is just a few months after the murders which is I will say there is some good conversation to have of like that is a quick move but But I couldn't find evidence that it was before the children's murders.

35:33Could he have been redditing and Googling about apartments in New York City before the murders? That's up for debate right now. But just to give you a rough timeline, Patrick moves April of 2023. That's the most credible timeline that we have so far. That is the confirmed timeline. But it does appear that he would travel to New York City before the murders for meetings at Microsoft. And now that he's alone, he says he didn't want to stay in Duxbury where everyone knew what happened. he just wanted anonymity and it seems maybe it was a better fit for his job he moved to New York some say they understand his choice others say they understand but damn that was a fast freaking move but another circulating claim on TikTok has been that he rented an apartment that was owned by a company that was run by Roy Dannis which simplified turned into Patrick rented an apartment from Rachel's dad.

36:23Rachel's dad is Patrick's landlord. I did find zero credible evidence of that. And again, just because I can't find credible evidence doesn't mean that it's not true. But also we can't take it as truth either because there's nothing to prove that it is true, publicly at least. But it doesn't seem to be. I mean, nothing. I was trying to cross-reference like the company name and then Roy Danis. Roy Danis is like known for just spirits and wine. they could have other relations a lot of wealthy powerful people also do invest in a lot of real estate but it just doesn't seem i see yeah there was also a viral claim that patrick and rachel ran a half marathon together just nine days before the children were killed in january of 2023 the initial online discussion being did they just happen to run the same marathon or did they know each other the race being circulated with this viral claim is actually from 2026 and not 2023.

37:18So it doesn't, I tried to look at the records. It doesn't seem like either of them ran the 2023 race, but they did run the 2026 race together. Patrick, Patrick, I think finished 81st. Rachel finished like 105th, right? So it appears to be a mix up of the years, but more on this race later. Now, one of the bigger aspects of the conversation by netizens who believe Rachel and Patrick knew each other before the children's murders is they reference Patrick Clancy's potential Yelp account. I cannot again say with full confidence really anything about this case, but this does seem like Patrick's Yelp account.

37:53It seems like it. Side note, another reason people believe this is likely Patrick's account is there's a review for Kingsbury Club and Spa, which the Commonwealth actually had an employee from Kingsbury Club and Spa testify about Patrick and Lindsay being members, and they were members of that spa. Duxbury is not this huge place in Massachusetts. There's connections to reviews of restaurants from Lindsay's hometown and New York City where Patrick traveled for work and it seems like it's his account. The review reads for Kingsbury Club and Spa. Two stars is very fair. It's very expensive,$100 plus every month.

38:32They try to pretend this cost reflects an upscaled gym but almost everything about it is outdated. It's like taking a trip back to 1995. They offer babysitting but our kid who is usually very social comes out crying every time this was part of the reason we joined but this service has been proven to be obsolete another connection is the employee that testified was the one that ran the babysitting like the kids section whoa so what what is the the employee um testifying for just who picked them up who dropped them off the commonwealth was trying to draw some conclusions that like oh look at lindsey exercising all the time like look at her living this life where she's just got all this help yeah did lindsey seem like she was hearing voices that you didn't hear like those kinds of people did not understand the point of that witness i will say yeah yeah that's really interesting yeah but he this reviewer continues to write so then we canceled and they continue to charge us for another month it's kind of like asking for your bill at a restaurant and then your server brings you two more drinks two stars now there are lots of reviews on this account and netizens have been trying to, well, first of all, the assumption is that this is Patrick's account.

39:46The second assumption is that this is reflective of Patrick Clancy's personality then. And that's why these reviews have garnered a lot of attention. It's not that these reviews have anything explosive or crazy about them. It's just, it's part of the conversation. So we're going to cover it. A review for a company called Miami Kiteboarding, which again, he likes kites, reads, the poor reviews for this place surprised me, but after my trip there, they were unfortunately confirmed. When I arrived at the front desk, I was simply ignored. The woman made eye contact with me and knew I was there, but just kept looking at her phone and having a casual conversation with her co-worker.

40:20It was honestly weird and frustrating. Then they were arrogant. They were trying to tell me what size kite and board I should use, even though I've been kiting for years and knew which size I should be on. I ultimately took their advice, but had to come all the way back to switch to the size I originally wanted. Then I asked to buy some sunblock and realized at that point I was just getting ripped off. They gave me a tube the size of a chapstick for$20. I asked if there were other options. Nope, that tube lasted me two applications. Next time, I will bring my own gear and kite somewhere else. What a shame, two stars.

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44:06The account leaves reviews for hotels with one reviewing how this place attracts paying customers might be the eighth wonder of the world. Do you like hallways that smell like urine? Well, this place is for you. Not only that, the staff is incredibly rude, the food service is worse than prison, and a sure way to get diarrhea. One star. Another one for the Sheraton, New York, in Times Square. For this money, this is one of the worst hotels I have ever stayed at. The elevators are insanely slow. One day it took me 15 minutes to get from my lobby to the room. They will charge you for everything, even holding onto your bag for a moment.

44:39Rooms are tiny, bathrooms are gross, holes in the wall, chipped paint will never come back. One star. Does he only write low reviews? No he has some but a lot of them are Predominantly seems to be Earring on the side of negative Yeah another one for a restaurant The restaurant is called Taylor Gourmet Not gourmet Greasy? That would be an extreme understatement My cheesesteak was not packed well and I spilled grease all over my suit Ruining it I won't eat here again The sub itself was not desirable Hoolahands Decent food, service, sucks Capital sucks with an exclamation mark You will wait an eternity for your food, a drink, a table.

45:17I ask for my check and the guy says, okay, what does he do? Goes and starts cleaning tables. Asked for a beer last night. Waiter goes off and stands in the corner. It's actually amazing to watch. Another review about the food at Hot Coffee, which reads, can't comment on the coffee, but the breakfast sandwich I was served was one of the worst I've ever seen. It was on a roll that was broken multiple pieces. The egg was mini. Not sure how that was accomplished, but it was about two inches in diameter. I ate the whole thing in three bites. Seriously, I don't know how someone could serve this and think their customers are going to like it.

45:45A breakfast sandwich isn't hard to make. Nice decor inside. Two stars. There's another low review for a coffee shop due to the fact that they did not have ketchup packets for his breakfast sandwich. And I say his, I don't know who this Patrick C is, who this Patrick Clancy is, right? But he says the sandwich was, however, decent. But he says, why would you not have ketchup for breakfast sandwiches? Two stars. Another review for a restaurant called Dante Reads had to get up and leave, which is disappointing. The reviewer says that he was sitting down at the bar And the bartender was pretty non-social But regardless, orders a beer And then he notices the bartender's friends start showing up Quote, they're both swearing like pirates Talking about how much it would suck to have kids Little awkward for people who do have kids F-bombs every other word and pretty loud about it Came for the dollar oysters but now they're two dollars So that's a bummer It's a really nice atmosphere with a great view Just wish it was a little more professional Which side note again we cannot confirm that this is patrick clancy's yelp account but if it is some netizens say i get the feeling he does this all so that these places end up groveling and apologizing to him he likes that now imagine being married to that and again we don't know that this is patrick clancy's account but if it is you know and it's it does seem kind of likely but um again we cannot confirm how often he posts these like is it very frequent or you think he just gets a bad experience and then he will write about it or he's like a constant yelp poster he's pretty frequent poster yeah pretty frequent like in the span of i want to say like a year and a half it seems like 20 reviews oh wow yeah at least once a month yeah it seems pretty frequent yeah yeah another that sounds like a lot to me but maybe not yeah we're not like a yeah okay yeah another person writes how many negative reviews does one person have to leave before they realize they're the problem one kind of out of place review is for a place called park avenue market ace hardware and there's another connection there because they just talk about home depot which is going to be relevant later but he said this person writes this place is my go-to as long as it's not something i can buy only at Home Depot.

47:57They're incredibly helpful and I always know I can be in and out so as long as so I can get back to what I was doing. Also only place where you can buy a hammer and get hammered. I guess it's in a big market where they sell drinks. But it's not like all the reviews are bad. Some are really great like for a restaurant called The Tasty Awesome Place. The decor location staff vibe are all incredible but most of all the food will leave you with a warm memory. Can't wait to go back five stars. He, whoever it may be, also leaves a review for a local Starbucks which reads been here twice both times on Saturdays it takes 25 minutes to get one drink you'll get your coffee but this location is very understaffed slash inefficient.

48:37There is another review for a CVS store that is also the same exact CVS store that Patrick Clancy went to on January 24th. So while the Commonwealth alleged that Lindsay was at home with all three children killing the three children and self-exiting that cvs that review reads i can't express enough how garbage this store is the service is terrible i literally can't believe the people they hire if you plan on going here make sure you have nothing planned for the day it will take forever or just save yourself the headache and go somewhere else one star i mean it's a cvs yeah people have been using his avid reviewing to draw connections and kind of confirm another unconfirmed review so everything's unconfirmed, but everyone's like, oh, but judging by the fact that this unconfirmed Yelp account that seems to be Patrick leaves a lot of reviews, that leads me to believe, you know, and that's how netizens are drawing these connections.

49:29But there's this one review that people are talking about in depth, and it's a Google review. So this is not the same Yelp account, but it's a Google review. And people are saying, well, it's probably Patrick because Patrick loves reviewing places. Look at his Yelp, his alleged Yelp. So this Google account, it appears to be Patrick Clancy. And again, we cannot confirm with certainty. Is there names or account names or anything on there? It says Patrick Clancy. Yeah. And it's the areas that he's from. Let's say this Patrick Clancy on Google. This Patrick Clancy on Google reviews a hiking trail that reads, This hike was amazing.

50:03It is short but lots of stairs. You will be dripping sweat. I'm not sure about the$17. I was the only one there with no one else in sight. There's also zero cell service. So I don't know if it's like$17 to hike the trail. but that is from February 21st, 2023, less than a month after the three murders of the Clancy children. Patrick Clancy allegedly went on a hike in Costa Rica. We, again, don't know if this is indeed his review of this hike, but we do know with certainty that in February, Patrick did go to Costa Rica. Really? Yes, and he did go to Europe afterwards. Patrick tells The New Yorker in 2024 that he stayed at youth hostels to avoid the sight of vacationing families.

50:47The article reads, when he got back, he cleared out the Duxbury house and drove around town, handing off his children's stuffed animals and unused arcade cards to friends. And then he went to Costa Rica. He gave away his kids' stuff, he said? So the New Yorker says he kept the sentimental things, but he also gave away a lot of things. And that has also caused a lot of controversy and conversation online. Some parents are saying, I lost my child, I kept every single thing. Like their room, You never clean out their room You want to keep it forever You have to like force yourself to clean out their room Others are saying They see why maybe seeing everything Was just more painful But I saw more people kind of But this is again just my personal experience online I saw more people kind of on the Former of that quickly Some people are saying maybe like Three years later you're like okay You're right I need to get rid Of things and I'm just holding on To it and it's unhealthy You say one month after?

51:44Yeah. He's giving away a lot of the kids' stuff. And again, just because he has behavior that some people do not think makes sense does not mean that he's guilty of anything. That is not what we're saying. There's just lots of conversations to be had of everyone's behavior online. There is also an old Instagram post that starts circulating. I mean, it fucking went viral, actually, not just circulating. It's from February 2023. it starts making its rounds on TikTok of a random netizen who was in Costa Rica in the month of February. The caption reads, Costa Rica was a blast. This trip was all about getting out of my comfort zone.

52:18And it goes on to list the poster's experience in Costa Rica. But netizens notice a very specific person in many of the pictures in the carousel, the Instagram carousel, Rachel Danis in Costa Rica in February, which has netizens spinning initially. Perhaps Patrick and Rachel were in Costa Rica together in February, which if that were the case, that would at least to some degrees indicate maybe that there's some sort of relationship prior to the children's murders. The original poster has come out to post a clarifying statement. And again, these are pictures of hers that were posted back in 2023 that are now going viral.

52:55It is Rachel? For sure. It's Rachel. And they confirm it's Rachel. But there's a lot that they say that debunks some of the other speculations. and I'm sure they're getting bombarded with questions and comments and they indicate that not all of them have been civil but they write and this has been a condensed statement but they write on Instagram Rachel and I met while participating in the same five-day organized group trip to Costa Rica from February 1st to February 5th of 2023 the travel company organizes group trips for solo travelers I joined the trip independently and did not know Rachel or any of the other travelers beforehand.

53:32She says the group obviously spent a lot of time together, which is why Rachel is in a lot of the pictures, but it's not like their best buds, right? They haven't spoken since the trip. They continue to say, when the organized trip ended, we all went home. Patrick was not a participant in our trip. This is very important to note because the Clancy children's funeral was February 3rd, and it doesn't appear that Patrick went to Costa Rica until later in February. So Rachel, according to the original poster, who doesn't appear to have

54:09Okay, okay. They continue, They also leave a pinned comment where she further addresses the question saying,

54:30the trip or of his name coming up in conversation. I don't know Patrick and therefore wouldn't have had knowledge of his whereabouts. So it does not appear as of right now that they were together, but some still think the coincidence is just bizarre. Together there or not, but out of all the damn countries in the world, it just seems weird. Others question Patrick for even going to Costa Rica a month after his kids were murdered, regardless of if he saw Rachel, didn't see Rachel. and then some are saying leaving reviews for hiking trails, which again, that has been not confirmed. But one person writes, I have warned everyone that if anything were to happen to my children, you will literally watch me rot away because I cannot move forward after.

55:09Everyone grieves different, but writing fucking Google reviews three weeks after your children die? To which the opposing sentiment is going to Costa Rica, or at least this is a quote from a comment, going to Costa Rica or at the very least away from Lindsay in that area is probably the best thing he could have done for himself. Someone argues back, I just learned it's illegal to enjoy nature after your ex-wife brutally murders your children. I think the Costa Rica thing probably is not what I would do at all. I can't see anyone that I know also doing that, but that's very different. Like maybe we're just not a big traveler.

55:44I don't know, right? I just can't imagine going to Costa Rica that quickly. And just because I can't imagine it doesn't mean that nobody else would do that. And that's not the best thing for them in that moment. this unconfirmed hiking review though I will say is a little weirder than the Costa Rica trip itself and I think the argument there would be that it's not about hiking or not hiking I guess the review itself is kind of odd because the hiking would make sense like you're maybe you're trying to refine yourself I don't know I don't know what would happen right but people have very passionate opinions another comment reads this is not how a man who loses his whole family grieves this is a man who thinks he got away with it and right under that someone writes had a co-worker whose wife murdered his son and shot his daughter and then took herself out.

56:26He went on a self-seeking trip himself after. So it's just really all you can do after a situation like that. I think everyone's own personalities play too big of a role when determining whether or not someone thinks it's weird when Patrick does something. So it's really hard to say with certainty if something feels off or strange because everyone's just pulling from, well, I know someone that something similar happened and they did this. Or it's like something similar happened to me and I did this. I can't imagine myself behaving this way. It's just even with myself, I catch myself being like, okay, I don't know how much of it is just anecdotal at this point of having an opinion.

56:59But there does not seem to be any credible evidence that could 100 % verify and would establish Rachel having accompanied Patrick to Costa Rica a month after his children's murders. But speaking of reviews, there is a review that has been heavily attributed to Rachel and it's for a fishing charter company in Massachusetts, which allegedly Rachel, who people presumed to be Rachel, wrote that she's been using this fishing charter company in Massachusetts for years, which people were wondering, what the hell are you doing in this random Massachusetts area going fishing? What ties do you have to Massachusetts?

57:34What kind of review is this? Yelp? It's just her name? How do we know it's her? It's Rachel Danis, isn't it? Yeah. And even if this is Rachel's real review, and she did have connections with Massachusetts its fishing charter companies. There's no link in the review to Patrick. It's not like me and my boyfriend Patrick. It does not establish that Rachel knew Patrick before the Clancy children were murdered. And then on top of that, a TikTok came out of a girl claiming to be the Rachel Danis reviewer, stating when internet sleuths think you're Patrick Clancy's new wife. Some say that this TikToker is now trying to get attention online because this would be a very easy way to get onto the algorithm.

58:13But I just don't see why she would make up a lie about this. But again, and I could be very naive. She does include footage of her on a boat fishing, catching a rather large fish at that. So it does seem like it's her. And she says there is more than one Rachel Danis in this world. And she has since changed her TikTok profile name to R-A-Y dash chill, C-H-I-L-L, Danis. Some of the more serious accusations that have been thrown out online, though, are of people accusing Patrick and Rachel of having an affair and masterminding the children's murders and framing it on Lindsay. And for obvious reasons, I do have to state just clearly again and again that Patrick nor Rachel, they have never been named a suspect in the deaths of the Clancy children.

59:00There is zero official evidence that would point to Patrick being involved in the children's death. And official evidence is exactly what I said it is. Official evidence. There is nothing that the police have said or indicated that they think that Patrick was involved. Nothing the prosecutors have said or indicated where they think that Patrick was involved. Now, how much weight you put on official evidence is a personal choice that you have to make yourself. But there is zero official evidence that would point to Patrick being involved in the children's death. The only one that has been arrested, charged, and has been on trial for the deaths of their three children is Lindsay Clancy.

59:44Patrick Clancy has not been named a suspect. He has not been named a person of interest. He is not the target of any investigation that we know of. And I do want to make it abundantly clear again that Rachel Danis is relevant to the public story because she is Patrick's current wife and has decided to do an incredibly high-profile 60 minutes interview with Patrick Clancy about this case. She's not connected to the case because she is part of the criminal investigation in any way. She was not even named a witness. She was not named really anything. There's nothing pertaining her to this case. But because of the nature of everything and the fact that Patrick is remarried and a lot of netizens have been left to speculate, one person writes a lengthier comment speculating, you gotta wonder about Rachel.

1:00:26I do not think Patrick Clancy had any part of the murders but dude still had hell of a lot going on and was kind of in the center of a shit storm. Why would a woman want to sign up for that? Did they not anticipate this trial was going to become this? Is he really that much of a catch that you would put up with all of this for him? Maybe she likes helping broken people. I must be selfish as fuck because I don't think any man would be worth all of this. And those types of comments actually led to more speculations. Like that's the energy of people being like, unless she knew him before and unless this was the plan.

1:00:59These are again, internet theories, rumors and speculations. And with that heavy disclaimer, that is where I leave you with the first half of this episode. Before we get into the second half where we dissect, I mean, the 60 minutes interview practically phrase by phrase, because at this point, every single sentence that was uttered in that 60 minutes interview has been debated to the depths, the ninth circle of hell and back. Please stay safe and I'll see you then.

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